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Platner’s Last Stand, Truce or Consequences, and the Quiet Surge of Antisemitism · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: joined by Matt Contnetty for Expressions Columnists at The Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal. Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Matt.
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  Speaker 1: The day opened with Iran firing missiles at Katari natural
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  Speaker 1: gas carriers in the straight of horror moves, and I
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  Speaker 1: threw up my hand and said, what are we going
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  Speaker 1: to do? Yesterday Senator Cotton on this show said he's
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  Speaker 1: very skeptical of the of the negotiations working out, but
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  Speaker 1: today they decided to sort of put the topper on
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  Speaker 1: the Hamine funeral by shooting, by closing this trade. Again,
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  Speaker 1: what do we do?
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  Speaker 2: Well? The first thing we do is we retaliate.
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  Speaker 3: We can't allow the I RJAC to try to dictate
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  Speaker 3: passage through the strait of horm moves through violence. And
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  Speaker 3: as President Trump has done in the past. I expect
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  Speaker 3: him to unleash our military in retaliation for the strikes,
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  Speaker 3: but I will say I hope that we are more
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  Speaker 3: disproportionate in our response we have been in the past
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  Speaker 3: in recent weeks.
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  Speaker 2: When this has happened.
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  Speaker 3: Since the MoU, by the way, we have hit radar sites,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a missile storage site. I think we need to
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  Speaker 3: expand our target list in order to convey the message
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  Speaker 3: to the IERGC that this type of action is not allowed.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that Senator Cotton also makes a fairpoint, Hugh,
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  Speaker 3: when you consider that there have been two agreements under
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  Speaker 3: which Iran has promised to open the Strait of Hormuz
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  Speaker 3: and allow the free flow of traffic. There was the
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  Speaker 3: April eighth ceasefire, which, if you go back and look
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  Speaker 3: at President Trump's statement, he said that he is suspending
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  Speaker 3: military operations in exchange for Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Opening the strait.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was the June fourteenth MoU where again
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  Speaker 3: Ron said they would open the strait in return for
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  Speaker 3: our ending the economic blockade of Iran. The IRGC has
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  Speaker 3: not lived up to its promises and therefore America must
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  Speaker 3: make them pay.
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  Speaker 1: So oil is today above seventy dollars a barrel. Again,
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  Speaker 1: we're through the July four weekend, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have begun their vacation gases back down to a reasonable price.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the president is still going to want
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  Speaker 1: to wait until after November, which is the Hewett theory
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  Speaker 1: halftime theory, or do you think he has to act
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  Speaker 1: now regardless of the political consequences.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that he has to act now, certainly
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  Speaker 3: in response to this latest strike. Now, does that mean
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  Speaker 3: the full resumption of military operations.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: Does that mean including the target list to the dual
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  Speaker 3: use facilities, the bridges, the economic infrastructure that President Trump
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  Speaker 3: has discussed before, No, not necessarily. I do think President
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  Speaker 3: Trump believes that extending these negotiations, at least through the
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  Speaker 3: midterm elections gives him the economic and political breathing space
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  Speaker 3: where the Republicans can have a shot to maintain the
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  Speaker 3: Congress in November, but in the near term, in response
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  Speaker 3: to what the IRGC perpetrated this morning, I do think
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  Speaker 3: America must respond.
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  Speaker 2: And let's not forget as well.
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  Speaker 3: There's a question about who we're actually dealing with here,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the administration has been dealing with some
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  Speaker 3: of the political leadership of Iran who are sounding all
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  Speaker 3: the sweet notes of diplomacy, while the people who actually
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  Speaker 3: hold the power in Iran, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps,
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  Speaker 3: they are determined as ever to close the strait and
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  Speaker 3: to eject America from the Middle East. And we cannot
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  Speaker 3: let them do either of those things.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how many funeral yesterday? Arachi was booed at number one,
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  Speaker 1: number two, there were assassination replicas of a number of
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  Speaker 1: American leaders, including my friend Mark Dubowitz. Which I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that Mark was that important. I think he's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good public intellectual, but I didn't know he was
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  Speaker 1: important enough to be in line with Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 1: the other people that they want to tell we can't
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  Speaker 1: really ignore that. I don't think do you think we
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  Speaker 1: can ignore that.
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  Speaker 2: This is a regime, Hugh, that.
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  Speaker 3: Administrative fatois against Salmon Rushti, a novelist that was then
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  Speaker 3: acted upon decades later by an Islamic radical in Chautauqua,
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  Speaker 3: New York. Any threat they make we must take seriously
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  Speaker 3: against anyone. And when you look at the stagecraft of
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  Speaker 3: the funeral, I think you're right to point out that
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  Speaker 3: it was clearly managed by the most radical and violent elements.
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  Speaker 3: The placards calling for assassination were raised.
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  Speaker 2: No to believe.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the NEPO baby Ayatola, the Supreme Leader, was
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  Speaker 3: nowhere to be found.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think you.
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  Speaker 3: Have a picture of the extreme Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
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  Speaker 3: trying to continue the fight from that funeral. But you
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  Speaker 3: also if you look between the lines, you can see
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  Speaker 3: that this regime is weak. It's supreme leader is still
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  Speaker 3: missing in action, its military capacity has been severely degraded.
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  Speaker 3: Its economy was a shambles before Operation Epic Fury, and
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  Speaker 3: it's still a mess, and even worse mess right now.
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  Speaker 3: And so this is the moment to apply further pressure
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  Speaker 3: and Iran. You can try economic, you can try military.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the time to let your foot off the
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  Speaker 3: gas pedal and let this regime rebuild, much less provide
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  Speaker 3: them the resources to rebuild.
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  Speaker 1: Now. The president is at NATO today and he'll be
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  Speaker 1: there for a couple of days. Do you think NATO
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  Speaker 1: is going to actually pitch in this time? Because if
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  Speaker 1: they don't, I really think the alliance is done for they.
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  Speaker 1: If we go back to round two and there's no NATO,
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  Speaker 1: there's no NATO.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very troubling moment in the NATO alliance.
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  Speaker 3: President Trump, I think expected the NATO allies to at
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  Speaker 3: least passively cooperate with Operation Epic Fury earlier this year. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: many actively refused to assist America's effort.
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  Speaker 2: And so we enter this new summit here with the.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of hangover of that experience, plus bad blood on
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  Speaker 3: the European side, the conflict in Ukraine, where Pudin clearly
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  Speaker 3: is on his heels, even if he won't admit it.
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  Speaker 3: He'll never admit that, but you can just tell objectively
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  Speaker 3: that Ukraine is becoming very effective at destroying Russia's oil
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  Speaker 3: storage capacity and putting a grip a vice like grip
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  Speaker 3: on Crimea, Pudin's original target, and at the Russian economy
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  Speaker 3: at large. So this is a very important summit, and
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  Speaker 3: what I would like to see from the Europeans is active,
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  Speaker 3: active measures to show their commitment to the alliance. That
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  Speaker 3: includes more defense spending, that includes more purchases of weapons
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  Speaker 3: platforms from the United States, and I think it also
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  Speaker 3: would include maybe some attempts to kind of soothe those
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  Speaker 3: sensitive tissues that were exposed during the first half of
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  Speaker 3: the year between the US and Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Well, on that last point, our friend Mark Levin, and
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  Speaker 1: he's been my friend for thirty years. He gets mad
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  Speaker 1: at me occasionally and calls me a rhino, but we
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  Speaker 1: agree on ninety five percent of the stuff. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to sell the F thirty five to Turkey. I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm persuaded by Mark, even though we trip the
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  Speaker 1: stuff out that we don't want the Chicoms to get,
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  Speaker 1: and we sell them sort of a dumbed down F
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  Speaker 1: thirty five. What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 2: Matt Continety ask why now?
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  Speaker 3: What is it that Airduwan can provide the United States
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  Speaker 3: that would incentivize US to provide him with this very
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  Speaker 3: sophisticated weapons platform. And when you look at Eridowan's profile
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  Speaker 3: in the Middle East, is he a force for stability
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  Speaker 3: in the Middle East? I would not say so. Is
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  Speaker 3: he a rock ribbed American? Ally I wouldn't say so.
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  Speaker 3: And so I do think that there are personal relationships
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  Speaker 3: at work here. I do think there's NATO's it has
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  Speaker 3: an interest in keeping the Turkish army involved because of
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  Speaker 3: the relative weakness of so many of the other Western
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  Speaker 3: European countries. So there's a geopolitical incentive for the F
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  Speaker 3: thirty five, But at the end of the day, I
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  Speaker 3: would not allow this sail, mainly because the Turks still
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  Speaker 3: have those Russian air defense units that they purchased almost
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  Speaker 3: a decade ago, which led us to suspend the original
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  Speaker 3: F thirty five sail.
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  Speaker 2: Until they get rid of them.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't deployed them, but they still possess them until
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  Speaker 3: they get rid of that Russian tech. I see no
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  Speaker 3: reason why we should be giving them our tech and.
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  Speaker 1: Lead into Aerdiwan other than theater. Like a theater kid
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  Speaker 1: who wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: he actually intends to do that. I don't read much
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  Speaker 1: about Turkey. I've only been there three or four times.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hold myself out as even fluent in basic
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in Turkey is a sinister, is a
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  Speaker 1: sort of a showman. How do you read him? One
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  Speaker 1: minute match?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think Turkey's Airedowan's main goal is maintaining himself
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  Speaker 3: and his family and power for as long as possible,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that in order to do that, he
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  Speaker 3: has eroded the Turkish political system. He's truly ruined the
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  Speaker 3: Turkish economy, but he has shown that he is very savvy,
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  Speaker 3: especially in is near abroad in Syria, and he has
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  Speaker 3: of course real lines into this new post assad Syria,
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  Speaker 3: which is another reason why I think the administration and
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  Speaker 3: the Europeans are working with him. At the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, I do think his problems are more internal
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  Speaker 3: and he's less of a risk geopolitically than others might say.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Matt is coming back later in the show.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Graham Plattner. Don't go anywhere, America. Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: I got John Ashbrook next also telling you about Graham Platner.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll hear from Matt later in the show on
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  Speaker 1: mister Plattner. Stay tune. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh
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  Speaker 1: hewittt joined now by John Ashcroft. He is Fron Ashcroft,
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  Speaker 1: John Ashbrook. I always say that John Ashcroft was a
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  Speaker 1: fine Attorney general. John Ashbrook is a fine Bible store.
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  Speaker 1: Let that there you go, Ashbrook. Welcome. I'm so got
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  Speaker 1: so much Graham Platner on my mind. My first question
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  Speaker 1: is would you rather be the owner of forty second
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  Speaker 1: Street between Second and Third, the former fiz Or high
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  Speaker 1: rise that's collapsing or be the campaign manager for Graham plattner.
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  Speaker 5: Man. I, Hugh, that's a really tough call. I got
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  Speaker 5: to be honest with you, but I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 5: on the main Senate race situation, I thought that you
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  Speaker 5: had one of the greatest takes on that race and
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  Speaker 5: the media coverage of it. This morning when you described
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  Speaker 5: that New York Times story from a few weeks ago
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  Speaker 5: not as a catch and kill but a trap in
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  Speaker 5: tame you, I think that that is a very astute
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  Speaker 5: way of describing what the New York Times appeared to
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  Speaker 5: be trying to achieve with that story that everybody was
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  Speaker 5: talking about ahead of time, behind the scenes, and then
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  Speaker 5: it comes out, and all of a sudden, this girl
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  Speaker 5: Lindsey who was put through the ringer by Democrats. Nobody
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  Speaker 5: believed her, you know, they were jumping all over her publicly.
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  Speaker 5: It was a terrible, terrible way to treat a person
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  Speaker 5: who'd been through what she'd been through. None of them
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  Speaker 5: gave her the do that she deserved. And now all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden a Democrat comes out. And why is
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  Speaker 5: it so interesting that this happens this week? It's because
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  Speaker 5: Plattin has until five pm on Monday, the thirteenth to
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  Speaker 5: quit so Democrats can replace him on the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: So shots were indeed fired inside the tent, not from
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  Speaker 1: outside the tent. And the question I've got and you're
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  Speaker 1: the political pro you've done this. Are they allowed to
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  Speaker 1: pay him off? Can they just go to him and say,
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  Speaker 1: we'll give you a million dollars to get out of
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  Speaker 1: the race because you don't have a job, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have money.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, we're told he's noystermen, which of
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  Speaker 5: course is not true. He has one customer, and that
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  Speaker 5: customer is his mother. He comes from a family it's
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  Speaker 5: wealthy enough to send him to place called Hotchkiss, which
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  Speaker 5: is seventy five thousand dollars a year and attended by
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  Speaker 5: some of the biggest names in American corporations.
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  Speaker 6: But you're not supposed to pay somebody off.
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  Speaker 5: Although I've always suspected Democrats of figuring out methods that
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  Speaker 5: nobody would ever be the wiser two because the mainstream
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  Speaker 5: media obviously controls so much of the conversation in this country,
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  Speaker 5: and they would never hold them accountable for.
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  Speaker 6: Something like that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what they're going to do to
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  Speaker 5: drive him out of this race.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond what they're doing this week.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, the DSCC came out last night and said
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  Speaker 5: they will not spend in the main Senate race on
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  Speaker 5: his behalf if he continues to remain.
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  Speaker 6: As a candidate in Maine.
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  Speaker 5: And so you can just see them turning up the
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  Speaker 5: pressure and turning up the pressure a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: every single day. And his consultant, this guy Morris Katz,
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  Speaker 5: who has sort of developed a name in his own
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  Speaker 5: right for a lot of controversial things over the past year,
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  Speaker 5: he seems to be saying that they're not ready to
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  Speaker 5: drop out. So there appears to be a negotiation behind
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  Speaker 5: the scenes between the Democrat establishment and the Platinar campaign,
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  Speaker 5: the Platinir campaign saying now that they want to choose
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  Speaker 5: the successor. I'm not so sure that their stamp of
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  Speaker 5: approval is exactly what any candidate wants heading into a
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  Speaker 5: very difficult race against Susan Collins this fall, So.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of speculation about who the
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  Speaker 5: potential replacement for Platiner might be in that state, some
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  Speaker 5: names that nobody's ever really heard. I've also, you know,
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  Speaker 5: heard some speculation that maybe Janet Mills could get back
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  Speaker 5: in the In the conversation, there's also a woman named
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  Speaker 5: Sarah Gideon who ran against Susan Collins in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: lost by eight points.
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  Speaker 6: If you look at.
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  Speaker 5: Her FEC filings, she still has two and a half
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  Speaker 5: million dollars in hard money in her campaign account.
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  Speaker 6: So that's not nothing. I mean, they could go back.
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  Speaker 5: To somebody like her, but it's anybody's guess what happens
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  Speaker 5: between now and next Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Well, John, I am in the great state of Maine.
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  Speaker 1: I have been since the fourth of July. I go
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  Speaker 1: back to California on Thursday, so I've I've taken my sample.
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  Speaker 1: All the platinner signs are gone. It's interesting enough, they're
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  Speaker 1: all gone. They were in the fourth of July parade
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  Speaker 1: where I was, but they're gone now. But we've got
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  Speaker 1: former main State Senate President Troy Jackson, Lefty Shannon Bellows,
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  Speaker 1: the Secretary of State who took Trump off the ballot
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  Speaker 1: and made sure that the people of Men didn't get
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  Speaker 1: the vote on the trans initiative. You've got the health
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  Speaker 1: chief NEIROV Shaw, who a lot of lefties like a
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  Speaker 1: lot because he was the face of COVID, even though
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  Speaker 1: he got run out of Illinois by Dick Durban and
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Duckworth because of the American legion and the Legionaire
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  Speaker 1: disease incident from I think twenty nineteen, Sarah Gideon and
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  Speaker 1: Janet Mills. If you had if you were Susan Collin,
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  Speaker 1: which one would you hope was not the nominee?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the truth is that Susan Collins has beaten a
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  Speaker 5: Janet Mills type candidate multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the.
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  Speaker 5: Platner was a little bit different, trying to fashion himself
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  Speaker 5: as the out side or someone who voted for Bear.
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  Speaker 5: They seem totally ready to be able to take on
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  Speaker 5: all comers, and I think they still are. I think
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  Speaker 5: that her campaign has always been run in a very
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  Speaker 5: professional way. I think she understands that state very very well,
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  Speaker 5: and I crats. You know, far be it for me
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  Speaker 5: to give them any advice. But any candidate who receives
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  Speaker 5: the impromoter of Graham Platner seems to be doomed from
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  Speaker 5: the start.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why we're i'v in trouble with our lads.
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  Speaker 5: Stamp his approval on the candidate who's going to be
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  Speaker 5: the standard bearer for Democrats in November.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about In Ohio they're running the
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  Speaker 1: face of COVID who came on the TV every day
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  Speaker 1: with Mike DeWine. She's a Democrat. If in Maine they
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  Speaker 1: turned to doctor Shaw, they'll again be running a COVID guy.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see the beauty of running a COVID guy.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how good he was on TV. COVID was
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  Speaker 1: a giant screw up everywhere, was it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: No, Nobody has a good memory of what happened during COVID.
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  Speaker 6: Whether you were a parent with kids.
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  Speaker 5: Who were doing Zoom school from home or you were
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  Speaker 5: somebody working on Zoom from your house. Nobody has a
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  Speaker 5: good memory of how COVID was managed. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that Amy acton Who's the Courts, the Democrat candidate for
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  Speaker 5: governor that you've referred to just a minute ago, has
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  Speaker 5: her own problems on that score. And I think that
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  Speaker 5: this guy in Maine who was involved with COVID then brings.
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  Speaker 1: Back all the bad memories. Yeah, explain So last question, John,
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  Speaker 1: as you look from thirty thousand feet at the Senate,
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling good or bad? I got a minute. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the Rootless studio is a mess today. They're frozen.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah no, sorry, yeah, just lost you for a second.
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  Speaker 6: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: There are good opportunities for Republicans on the map this cycle,
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  Speaker 5: but there are a lot of big challenges out there
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  Speaker 5: in Democrats. Let me just tell you. I do think
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  Speaker 5: that Republicans can hold on to the Senate. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I still believe that. But Democrats are not just creating
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  Speaker 5: problems in some of these states like Maine in Ohio,
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  Speaker 5: but they are creating problems out west that I would
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  Speaker 5: love to talk to you about.
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  Speaker 6: More next time.
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  Speaker 1: We connect. Next time, but tomorrow's Ruthless Podcast. Maybe they'll
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  Speaker 1: run the board for us on Thursday. Ruthless Podcast Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: Thursday and Saturday. Thank you, John Ashbrook. Don't go anywhere, America.
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  Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome back America.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you, Hewett. David M. Drucker is with a dispatch.
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  Speaker 1: Where is their chief political correspondent? David Oil is above
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  Speaker 1: seventy two dollars a barrel. That's up four dollars from
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  Speaker 1: yesterday because Iran Friday. The tanker Qatar Katari gas tanker Qatar.
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  Speaker 1: Their ambassador Scott Bessen has revoked their ability to sell oil.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think is going on there?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I just think this is to be expected.
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  Speaker 7: Iran doesn't keep agreements. Iran isn't interested in keeping the peace.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they cared tangentially about the money they make
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  Speaker 7: from the oil because it allows them to fund terrorism
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  Speaker 7: and continue to you know, repress their citizens. But they
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  Speaker 7: don't think like a normal Western capitalist country that values
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  Speaker 7: economic growth and the well being of their citizens. So
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  Speaker 7: they're going to act out from time to time based
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  Speaker 7: on how they perceive their interest.
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  Speaker 1: How do you think Trump perceives it? It's an embarrassment
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  Speaker 1: at NATO, right, he called it halftime. It's not halftime.
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  Speaker 1: It was bad enough that America loss last night in
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  Speaker 1: the world company shows up at NATO and the Iranians
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  Speaker 1: are flaunting the deal. Does that impact them?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean should impact the president in that he
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  Speaker 7: has a vested interest in this deal that he's put
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  Speaker 7: his name.
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  Speaker 1: On bearing fruit.
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  Speaker 7: But I can never tell if the President truly misunderstands
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  Speaker 7: some of our adversaries, you know, because he always talks
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  Speaker 7: about the economic growth and the participation of the Community
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  Speaker 7: of Nations and the benefits thereof as he looks at
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  Speaker 7: it as a Westerner that you know, he believes will
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  Speaker 7: entice these countries and these regimes to play ball, you know,
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  Speaker 7: with the right kind of deal making. And of course
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  Speaker 7: they have no interest in that. They don't think like us.
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  Speaker 7: They don't think like a Western social democracy or our
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  Speaker 7: style of you know, democracy, which is a little bit
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  Speaker 7: more free market than Europe. So, you know, I can't
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  Speaker 7: tell sometimes if it's if it's his salesmanship that he's
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  Speaker 7: trying to like create the result he wants by talking
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  Speaker 7: about it, or if he truly misunderstands our adversaries. He
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  Speaker 7: did a lot of this with Kim Jong un in
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  Speaker 7: North Korea, so like, this is something we've seen before.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now let me switch over to Maine and democratic politics. First.
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  Speaker 1: I asked John Ashbrook this question. He didn't know. Can
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  Speaker 1: you pay someone to drop out? Not illegal in America?
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  Speaker 7: You know, I don't know, Hugh. I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 7: like you would run a foul of something. It's you know,
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  Speaker 7: a payoff for a political action. But I truly don't know.
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  Speaker 7: But I you know, I don't think the oyster farmer
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  Speaker 7: so called, you know, cares about that I think he'd
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  Speaker 7: be running his life differently if he did. And I
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  Speaker 7: think he's just got a whole host of psychological problems
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  Speaker 7: in addition to the fact that he's been credibly accused
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  Speaker 7: now of sexual assault and rape, not to mention the
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  Speaker 7: other litany of character flaws. So you know, I think
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  Speaker 7: for him, he suddenly found let's presume meaning and the
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  Speaker 7: fact that he mattered in life. He's a very good
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  Speaker 7: politician in terms of the talents that and the strengths
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  Speaker 7: that it takes to be good on the stump. But
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  Speaker 7: he's out a lot. He can hang around if he wants.
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  Speaker 7: He has no leverage, right, I mean, the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 7: of Maine will choose the replacement since we're post primary,
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  Speaker 7: I believe, via a vote of their central committee. So
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what he's waiting for.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he does have this amount of leverage. He can
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  Speaker 1: say no, I won I'm on the ballot. Make me
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  Speaker 1: an offer I can't refuse. I'm going to stay here
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  Speaker 1: and try and run in a gorilla campaign. A gorilla campaign.
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  Speaker 1: That that right? So good?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So from that perspective, I see what you're getting at.
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  Speaker 7: And there are times, for instance, that an administration will say, listen,
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  Speaker 7: we want to back you. Know, this person in a primary,
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  Speaker 7: will find a place for you in the administration.
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  Speaker 1: We will find a job for you.
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  Speaker 7: So yes, I suppose like high ranking Democrats or party
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  Speaker 7: organizations could say, we will find a job for you.
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  Speaker 7: The problem is what job? Because he's been accused of rape. Right,
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  Speaker 7: So the first one was bad enough in my view,
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  Speaker 7: it was sexual misconduct, imprisonment whatever, right, But you notice
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  Speaker 7: the dominoes fell once he was credibly accused of actual
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  Speaker 7: rape on the record and by someone who said she
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  Speaker 7: shares his politics, and it was one of the reasons
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  Speaker 7: she was hesitant to speak out initially. So like, where
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  Speaker 7: do you who hires this guy?
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  Speaker 1: That's my point. George sorows or or Mini Sorrows Sorrows
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  Speaker 1: two point zero.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I yeah, but I don't think that. Look,
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  Speaker 7: I guess anybody could do anything. You could bury him somewhere,
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  Speaker 7: but you don't want anybody to know that you hired him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I really don't think the Democrats care if
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  Speaker 1: they can get Now I don't know that they got
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  Speaker 1: anyone they win. I'm looking down their list of candidates
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  Speaker 1: in the Bangor Daily News and Shaw, doctor Shaw who
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  Speaker 1: is the face of COVID in Maine, came in second
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  Speaker 1: in the governor's race. He's pretty progressive, he wants to
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  Speaker 1: tax the rich. But he got booted out of Illinois
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  Speaker 1: by Dick Durbott and Tammy Duckworth. Are you aware of
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  Speaker 1: that backstory he got chased out of Illinois.
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  Speaker 7: No, I'm not not surprised at all. You know, there
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  Speaker 7: was a gun who owns a brewery, is an entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 7: and he was all set to run in the Democratic primary,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, the party then told him, know the governors,
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  Speaker 7: the governor is going to run stand down, you know,
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  Speaker 7: And I've.
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  Speaker 6: Read that he's looking at it.
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  Speaker 7: He's the kind of candidate they need because they need
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  Speaker 7: a candidate who can perform well against Susan Collins in
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  Speaker 7: the second district, which is a plus ten Trump district, right,
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  Speaker 7: and so like you know that one of the reasons
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  Speaker 7: why Jared Golden was able to hold that district is
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  Speaker 7: he was truly a centrist Democrat with you know, elements
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  Speaker 7: of populist appeal and squeaky clean at that and a
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  Speaker 7: marine veteran and all of that. Right, he's retiring, he's
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  Speaker 7: not going to run against Collins. But my point is,
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  Speaker 7: even in some of the polling we saw recently with
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  Speaker 7: plat Ner, you know, he may look the part, but
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  Speaker 7: the fact that he spouts so many left wing views.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's fine in Maine's first district, but it
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  Speaker 7: was really hurting him in Maine's second district. And so
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  Speaker 7: I think they've got to balance the need for a
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  Speaker 7: fresh face. And if I look, if I were Democrat anywhere,
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  Speaker 7: you try and find a fresh face with somebody who
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  Speaker 7: knows how to play ball with all of the factions
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  Speaker 7: of the party and isn't isn't captured.
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  Speaker 2: By the far left.
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  Speaker 7: This gives you a chance to overperform in states where
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  Speaker 7: you need to. And even though Main's of blue state,
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  Speaker 7: it's all because of the first district. Susan Collins is
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  Speaker 7: a strong candidate, and so you need somebody with cross
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  Speaker 7: party appeal.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think we want to return and finish
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  Speaker 1: on that. Susan Collins is one of the most formidable
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  Speaker 1: politicians I've ever met. Thirty years, ten thousand consecutive votes.
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  Speaker 1: A few liberals in Maine still don't like her because
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  Speaker 1: she voted for Brett Kavanaugh, but really, can they change
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  Speaker 1: it up? That dramatically with three months to goo. David Drucker,
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  Speaker 1: do you think they I don't think they have a
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  Speaker 1: shot up here period. I just don't think they do. No.
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  Speaker 7: I think Look, I think it depends on who they pick.
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  Speaker 7: I think I think Graham Plattner absent the fact that
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  Speaker 7: he had all of these character flaws. If he just
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  Speaker 7: took Graham Platner and were able to subtract all of that,
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  Speaker 7: I thought he was a very JETI candidate who is
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  Speaker 7: going to really motivate people who wanted a fresh face
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  Speaker 7: and a younger face. So Democrats should look for somebody
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  Speaker 7: like that.
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  Speaker 1: But a little bit more moderated in their views, and
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  Speaker 1: someone who can raise a lot of money in a hurry,
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  Speaker 1: because boyd they've already spent a lot of money up here.
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  Speaker 1: Alwaysed David M. Drucker the Dispatch. Follow him on exit.
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  Speaker 1: David M. Drucker, follow me the next segment right here
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  Speaker 1: on the New Hewitt Show. Brougham back America. I'm Huqwitt
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  Speaker 1: joined by Bethany Mandel. Bethany, of course, is one of
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  Speaker 1: the co founders of the mom Wars, which you can
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  Speaker 1: read at the mom Wars dot substack dot com. She
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  Speaker 1: is also a friend of one of the victims of
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  Speaker 1: Graham Plattner. As we've talked about before, Bethany, have you
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  Speaker 1: been in touch with your friends since the latest allegation
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  Speaker 1: then controversy exploded, tell us about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't want to speak for her, but
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  Speaker 8: I think it's been a very vindicating twenty four hours
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  Speaker 8: because the woman who came forward to Politico, and you know,
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  Speaker 8: I saw how the Times handled Lindsay's story, and I
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  Speaker 8: thought it was exceptionally poorly done and insensitive and did
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  Speaker 8: not give you know, my story and my experiences enough
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  Speaker 8: weight and enough space. And the Times basically did a
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  Speaker 8: catch and kill. They decided that they were going to
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  Speaker 8: make Lindsay the point of the story, and they buried
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  Speaker 8: thirty paragraphs down some really explosive details like when he
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  Speaker 8: showed up at her house at her house drunk and
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  Speaker 8: whatever happened was so troubling that she said, never contact
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  Speaker 8: me again.
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  Speaker 4: Times never went into that.
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  Speaker 8: There was one paragraph of really interesting detail that the
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  Speaker 8: Times decided to leave on the table, and it was
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  Speaker 8: because they wanted to use that space to discredit Lindsay
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  Speaker 8: as a potential source. And so given that experience. Jenny
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  Speaker 8: the second victim who just spoke to Politico. She brought
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  Speaker 8: her story to Politico so that it could be told
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  Speaker 8: in the right way and in its fullest, and it
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  Speaker 8: really vindicated everything that Lindsay said, but also everything that
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  Speaker 8: everyone has been saying, including you know, Senator Senator Fetterman
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  Speaker 8: in the segment before mine. Everyone has been saying, who
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  Speaker 8: is honest for a long time. This is a really
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  Speaker 8: troubling guy. And people should steer clear of a guy
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  Speaker 8: who has a Nazi tattoo, who says the things that
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  Speaker 8: he said, who openly, proudly proclaims that he's a communist.
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  Speaker 8: All of those things should have been read lines. And
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  Speaker 8: finally Democrats are coming around to the idea. But it
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  Speaker 8: took them long enough.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Jenny Rasico, I got to admit I did not
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  Speaker 1: read this story, the original story closely enough. I thought
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  Speaker 1: she was a confirmed source who didn't allow her name
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  Speaker 1: to be used. Was Jenny Rasco's name actually used in
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  Speaker 1: the New York Times story?
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  Speaker 4: It was, yeah, she was a named source.
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  Speaker 8: And she said that he showed up at her house drunk,
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  Speaker 8: and that whatever transpired was so troubling that she told
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  Speaker 8: him to never speak to her again, and that was it.
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  Speaker 8: That was all the New York Times said. And they
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  Speaker 8: buried it thirty paragraphs down so that even political commentators
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  Speaker 8: like yourself would miss it, because it was buried under
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  Speaker 8: a novel about Lindsay's professional background.
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  Speaker 4: And they did that by design.
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  Speaker 8: And so Jenny understandably felt very frustrated that her story
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  Speaker 8: was not given adequate weight, in adequate space, and so
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  Speaker 8: she brought it to Politico so that it could be told.
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  Speaker 1: So I saved one clip from Jenny's conversation with Jake
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  Speaker 1: Tapper last night to play for you, because I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of detail is not something if you're telling
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  Speaker 1: your story, you don't save this kind of detail for
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  Speaker 1: the second time around. Here's cut number seven of Jenny
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  Speaker 1: Rassico with Jake Tapper.
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  Speaker 3: That I just wanted to find out more about.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 1: Say.
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  Speaker 5: He was forcing himself on you, It was getting violent,
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  Speaker 5: you were pushing him off, you were kicking him.
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  Speaker 3: Off, Needles and sewing equipment was falling all over her.
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  Speaker 2: And walk us through the process where.
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  Speaker 9: You decided that the safest thing you could.
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  Speaker 1: Do was just.
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  Speaker 6: Let him great view.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I had never been in that situation before and
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  Speaker 10: I realized. I remember it being an instant where I
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  Speaker 10: had recognized that he wasn't listening to me. It wasn't
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  Speaker 10: just that he wasn't hearing me or whatnot. And then
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  Speaker 10: I recognized his level of intoxication, and I knew in
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  Speaker 10: that moment I wasn't safe, and I don't think I was.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think I was safe to physically fight back.
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  Speaker 10: He's big, he's strong, and I just had to evaluate
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  Speaker 10: my safety and come up with the least worst outcome
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  Speaker 10: to this situation, and so I felt like complying for
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  Speaker 10: my safety was the least worst option that about.
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  Speaker 1: We are now speculating if she'll tell that to Jake Tapper.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think she told that to The New York Times.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to speak for her.
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  Speaker 8: I think a lot was said off the record, and
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  Speaker 8: I don't I don't know what those conversations entailed about
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  Speaker 8: what was discussed, but it was very clear. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: you can see in that interview with Dick Tapper, she's
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  Speaker 8: a very compelling witness. She she offered contemporaneous evidence to
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  Speaker 8: to CNN. I know that they wouldn't have put it
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  Speaker 8: on air without, you know, double checking you know, did
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  Speaker 8: she did.
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  Speaker 4: She have evidence after the fact.
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  Speaker 8: She's very compelling, She's very believable, and you know, she
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  Speaker 8: should have been given more weight in the story. And
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  Speaker 8: I know, you know from what she told Photoco she
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  Speaker 8: was very frustrated that the Times left a lot of
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  Speaker 8: what she told them on the cutting room floor.
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  Speaker 1: So, now, what's Lindsay's last name? Is it Lynnfield? Fifield Ffield?
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Fyfield has When she talked to The Times, was
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  Speaker 1: she under the impression that there were going to be
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  Speaker 1: as much detail of Jenny as there was about her?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, and she's said as much on Twitter. She said,
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  Speaker 8: you know, she was sort of lured into being in
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  Speaker 8: the piece and being a name source, with The Times
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  Speaker 8: telling her, you're just one of many women who have
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  Speaker 8: spoken to us. Your story is not going to be
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  Speaker 8: the centerpiece. It's not going to be the focal point.
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  Speaker 8: And then it was it was, you know, fifteen to
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  Speaker 8: twenty paragraphs of Lindsay's professional background, and then after the fact,
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  Speaker 8: then they get to, you know, Jenny's story. If he
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  Speaker 8: showed up so drunk at my house that I never
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  Speaker 8: wanted to speak to him again because something happened and
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  Speaker 8: for me reading that as a woman, even not knowing
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  Speaker 8: any background that I know, I saw that and was like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: there's something there.
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  Speaker 4: There's something really troubling.
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  Speaker 8: Something happened at that house and it was just left unexplained.
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  Speaker 1: So should the New York Times reporters and editor involved
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  Speaker 1: be dismissed because what they did isn't catch and kill.
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  Speaker 1: That's a specific kind of bad journalism practice where you
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  Speaker 1: get a story, you get a an NBA sign, and
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  Speaker 1: then you never run it. This was a trap and
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  Speaker 1: tame story where you just drain it of its lethality
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  Speaker 1: to the candidate. Do you think people should be fired?
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  Speaker 1: I do?
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  Speaker 8: I mean I if nothing else, if that was the intention.
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  Speaker 8: Our mutual friend Mary Katherine Ham said it was the
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  Speaker 8: tri sand effect because she she didn't want to be
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  Speaker 8: as explicit as she ended up being in the political story.
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  Speaker 8: And then with Jake Tapper, she was inspired to come
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  Speaker 8: forward and really put it all out there because of
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  Speaker 8: what the Times did to Lindsay Fifield And so you know,
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  Speaker 8: if the if their intention was to tame, they unleashed
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  Speaker 8: a dragon, so really blew up in their faces.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just strike Platner's chance of winning, don't mean,
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  Speaker 1: you'll get out. I think he wants money or a
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  Speaker 1: payoff or some dignity out of it. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what he wants. But do you think the whole party
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  Speaker 1: should be punished for rallying around him until yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 8: I mean what's most disturbing to me about this entire
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  Speaker 8: story was the list of things that weren't enough.
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  Speaker 4: He had a Nazi tattoo. That wasn't enough. He said he's.
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  Speaker 8: Made really troubling comments about rape before this. That wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 8: He talked about how he was glad that, you know, fellow.
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  Speaker 4: Soloatyers were killed. That wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 8: He talked about doing disgusting, horrible things in porta potties.
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  Speaker 8: That really speaks to his judgment and you know, sense
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  Speaker 8: of just like basic decency. The list of things that
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  Speaker 8: we knew about Grand Plattner. None of those things were
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  Speaker 8: enough for Democrats to distance themselves. And one of my
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  Speaker 8: favorite tweets actually from a Democrat was Richie Torres, the
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  Speaker 8: New York Democrat, who.
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  Speaker 4: Said, I have no endorsement to rescind because I knew better.
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  Speaker 4: Fetterman the same thing.
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  Speaker 8: He was like, no, I'm not standing I'm not standing
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  Speaker 8: on defending grand Platter because I know it's going.
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  Speaker 4: To blow up my face.
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  Speaker 8: So you can put as much pressure on me as
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  Speaker 8: you want to endorse him. But I know in the end,
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to be vindicated. And they all were, as
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  Speaker 8: was Lonsley Fifield.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel. Always good to catch up with the friend
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  Speaker 1: of one of the sources and the victims. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: it very much. Follow Bethany on exit Bethany Sean Dark
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  Speaker 1: read the mom work do subseat dot com. Next week
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  Speaker 1: we'll go back to our normal stuff, which is happiest
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  Speaker 1: stuff that they ain't. Thank you. I'll be right back
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  Speaker 1: in America States. Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Byron
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  Speaker 1: York joins me now, Byron, I just played Janet Mills
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  Speaker 1: on Morning Joe. She clearly wants to be the nominee.
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  Speaker 1: What you're reporting on the state of the race and
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  Speaker 1: play in Maine with Graham Plattner's meltdown ongoing.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I did. I watched it as you played it
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  Speaker 11: as a matter of fact, and I agree with you completely.
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  Speaker 11: She is auditioning, still wants in. I mean, the only
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  Speaker 11: reason she got out was because this temporary spasm of
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  Speaker 11: the platin Armania had, you know, just dried up all
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  Speaker 11: of her fundraising and Poles look bad. And I mean
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  Speaker 11: that's the only reason she got out. You know, listen
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: to you go through the alternatives. None of the alternatives
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: are very good. But I think we could say that
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: the most respectable is the govern of the state. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: it seems to me that if the party doesn't want
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: to kind of the Democratic Party in Maine doesn't want
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: to kind of embarrass itself again, and they want to
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: do a safe choice, it would be the governor of
• 36:16
  Speaker 11: the state. Now, as far as Platter is concerned, he
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: hasn't made any noise today, and so we're talking six days.
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: Do you know on the thirteenth is like midnight on the.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Third, And I don't know. My question for you, can
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they pay him to leave? Is that legal?
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: That's a great question. It's you know, as opposed to
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: just try to embarrass him and force him out because
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: he actually offer him some money. I don't know. I mean,
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: could a private citizen offer a candidate money to withdraw?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're not getting a benefit, it's not bribery.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: They're not getting any benefit. They're trying to help their party.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So I really don't know the legal answer, but it
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: could be done in such a way that it's not
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: even close to bribery, which is George Sharth Junior whatever
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: his name is, said, come work for me for two
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: years and get yourself right now. Pay a quarter million
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: bucks a year for two years. What do you say
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a contract?
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: It sounds to me like and then you're the lawyer.
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: I'm not the lawyer. But we had a number of
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: people charged with something like conspiracy against rights in a
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: lot of the lawfair that took place in and after
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: the first Comporant administration. So it sounds like there's some
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: way they could find to charge such a person. And
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: I did know. You know, this morning on Morning Joe,
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: Same Show, there was the beginning of some pushback which
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: was a kind of a hostile or at least a
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: challenging interview of one of the political reporters saying, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: the rascal, the woman who is whose story is the
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: central thing in this new controversy. You know, she said
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: she had texted with Platner, and she'd communicated by Instagram
• 38:04
  Speaker 11: with Platner, and she had deleted all those things because
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: she wanted to get past this episode and blah blah blah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: And so the question was if those things were deleted,
• 38:15
  Speaker 11: and they were, and he and the reporter said, well,
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: she tried to restore or find some of them that
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: she couldn't, so okay, Well, why did you think this
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: was publishable? Obviously, she said she talked to some friends
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: at the time. She also talked to her therapist. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: Politico thought that it had enough, But it also the
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: absence of these communications she says she had with Platner
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: but deleted might be enough a straw to grasp to
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: do some pushback. So we might see that in the
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: next couple of days, and Platner might think there's no
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: way I'm dumping out, at least until I try some
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: of these possible pushback techniques.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Bar I mentioned this on yesterday's show Not Today. There
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is a certain group of people, political consultants around mister
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Plattner who are going to make a percentage of everything
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he raises. And he'll still raise a lot of money
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: from the hardcore progressive left who think he's being franked,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and they'll create a narrative if he stays in, and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: they'll still raise millions, and of that million, the percentage
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: will go to Morris Katz and company. Do you think
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: they're actually telling them to wake up and smell the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: coffee because he cannot win?
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: Are you saying, do you think they will tell him
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: to actually leave the right?
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: No?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I think are they urging him to stay in because
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: they have they make money off of them staying in?
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: Well, lord knows that's happened before you ask where political
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: consultants have seen their candidate, you know, is the goose
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: that lays the golden egg over and over again, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: so of course they want to keep that candidate in
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: the race. I wouldn't listen. I would not be surprised
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: if after the you've seen this a million times before,
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: big bombshell story hits appears to be kind of their
• 39:59
  Speaker 11: tight and everybody says, oh my god, it's over. Now,
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: it's totally over. There's no way you can stay in,
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: you know, within twenty four hours. Some people are saying,
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: I don't know, maybe that's not exactly right. Maybe everybody's
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: first frantic impression is not actually true. So listen, if
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: I were Platiner, thank god I'm not. If I were Platiner,
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: I would say a few days to think about this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: This might look different in a few days, because sometimes stories.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Do you know, fread Fielding, the great fread Fielding. My
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: boss Langa had a rule, the only way to make
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a bad haircut worse is to try and fix it yourself.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: So and it's a great rule that if you do nothing,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the great circus moves on. Right. The Iranians are shooting
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: at chips again. If a war starts again, all this
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: could be like page nine tomorrow. But I gotta ask you,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you've been in this business, you're a serious journalist for
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a long time. Does the New York Times do anything
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to these reporters and the editor that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: Is such a scandal. And you know, Mark Alprin, who
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: you know for years was at ABC News, said, you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: if the New York Times had just published the same
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: story or the same information that it published, but put
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: as the lead the fact that Platinums being accused, accused
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: of sexually abusing or assaulting a woman and in locking
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: her or blocking her into a bathroom and all of
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: this stuff, if they put that as the lead of
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: what was the story, the whole thing, this whole thing
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: might have been different. Over the last several months. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: the fact that they knew all this, all the stuff
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: that was in the political story, and had talked to
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: some of the people who corroborated for the political story,
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: and they didn't put it in. I believe at the
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: time you were referring to the New York Times story
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: is a catch and Fiell story.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Trap and tame, not catching, trap and tame.
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, which was basically an effort to gain control
• 42:10
  Speaker 11: of the story for Democrats and knock it down and
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: then everybody can say, let's move on. It's been it's
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: old news.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Let's move on.
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: And obviously it didn't work, and there was a lot more.
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: And by the way, the things we haven't the thing
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: we haven't discussed is whether if Plattner does think that
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: he could actually weather this storm, whether he gets hit
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: again in the next few days. He's very interested to.
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: See about that.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some battleships are unsinkable right until they finally go down.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: We'll check in next week at this time. Byron new
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: York of The Washington Examiner, Foxman's contributor. Thank you, Byron.
• 42:50
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• 44:29
  Speaker 1: probably talked a couple of dozen times since ten seven,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: maybe more, and so you I think you know where
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm coming from. I think Israel's America's most important ally.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I was going to talk to you today about Sarab
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: on Armri's interview with you, because I had a lot
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of questions, But then I went to breakfast this morning.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Two guys roughly my age, someone a little bit younger,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit older, very smart. You have to take
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: my word for this, two very very smart people. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I sat down. I said, I'm talking to Eve Ready Gourdaday,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and I said, what do you guys think about Israel?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Smart person number one says, they're committing a genocide in Gaza.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: They just want to kill all those people. And I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: was taken aback and I turned to number two and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I said, what do you think that they can't read
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the room at all? People hate them? Don't they understand
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: people hate them? I got, I can't tell you how
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: surprised ire was, Aviv. And then I walked through my
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: understanding of Israeli history nineteen forty eight, nineteen fifty six,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, nineteen seventy three. I use spoons and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: salt shakers to talk about how it began as a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: postage stamp, It grew, it gave back Gaza. Gazu is Egyptian.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But just thinking the whole time, I got to ask Kviv,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: what do you do with this? These are smart people, accomplished,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: smart people. What do you do with this?
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: Well, Hugh, there are two There are two issues here.
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: One is knowing where we're coming from, understanding where we're
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: coming from, and that sounds like you got to listen
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: to the people who are on your TV screen doing
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: brutal things.
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: No, you don't.
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: You have to listen to the exact opposite, to the
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: people on the other side. You can disagree with a
• 46:13
  Speaker 13: war in Gaza. It's an extraordinarily painful and destructive war,
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: and civilians are suffering in Gaza on a large scale.
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: And so for someone to come and say, how dare you?
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: How could you?
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, let's have that conversation by definition on a war.
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: I mean it's a war, it's not Let's never get
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: used to a war. Let's never have that not trigger
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: these emotions. Incidentally, no war in history has triggered the
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: kinds of emotions, the kind of overwhelming marching, the kind
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: of protests. The Americans had something slightly similar in Vietnam.
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: But you know, the unprecedented protests in London and in Jakarta,
• 46:55
  Speaker 13: and in Algiers and in Copenhagen demonstrate that the feelings
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: over God about something much more than a war. Very
• 47:02
  Speaker 13: recent wars in the Middle East within a thousand miles
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: of Gaza, just in the last ten years, that have
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: death tolls five and ten times the size, and are
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: actual genocides. Literal genocides where the attempt is to destroy
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: a people and cause millions to flee on hundreds of
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: thousands of dead, did not trigger and by the way,
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: were fought with American weapons by American allies, did not
• 47:23
  Speaker 13: trigger these responses. And so it is useful to say
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: there's something else happening here. There are decent people responding
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: to literal images of civilian casualties in a war. That's
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: absolutely a huge part of the phenomenon. There is also
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: a whole other layer of how the story is being
• 47:40
  Speaker 13: told in the Western imagination, about projecting Western criminality onto Israel,
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: about only seeing this war.
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: In the algorithm.
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: It's not that we have new access to information, new
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: access to knowledge and imagery of civilian suffering, and so
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: from now on, all wars will trigger visceral responses. The
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: next war will not trigger a visceral response if the
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: Jews aren't involved. There is something else happening. Nobody who
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: looks at the simple data of protests. Forty five thousand
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: protests roughly have been counted by this think tank that
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: produced this report on the Gauza War. Nothing like it
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: has ever happened in the history of war and won't happen,
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: not for the next war, even if it's ten times
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: the size.
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: So there is that layer.
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: However, this person you were talking to as a decent
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: person nevertheless responding to terrible images of war, and there
• 48:31
  Speaker 13: are two pieces missing from this person's equation. And you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: you could just have a moral response that doesn't care
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: about the context. That's okay if you're seeing dead kids. Okay,
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: that is a legitimate response to dead kids. But it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 13: not a useful response and it's certainly not a good
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: moral judgment of what actually is happening. We face enemies
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: that are actually coming to kill us and intentionally drive
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: as terrible wars as they could possibly create, intentionally produce
• 48:59
  Speaker 13: those wars as the force multiplier.
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: For their attempts to kill us. What am i talking about?
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: Kamas built the single biggest bomb shelter system in the
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: history of war in Gaza. That tunnel system is totally unprecedented,
• 49:12
  Speaker 13: unlike anything that has ever existed, and it bent Gaza's
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: entire economy to doing it, and it built almost nothing
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: else in Gaza for the seventeen years that it ruled
• 49:20
  Speaker 13: Gaza to build that system, and then it carried out
• 49:24
  Speaker 13: October seven, and in the three years of war that
• 49:26
  Speaker 13: followed October seven, as the Israelis are coming to get
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: Ramas and Ramas is hunkered down in those tunnels, not
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: a single Godsen child, not a single Godsen civilian is
• 49:35
  Speaker 13: allowed to step foot in what is essentially what is
• 49:38
  Speaker 13: at its core, the single most comprehensive bomb shelter system in.
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: The history of the world.
• 49:43
  Speaker 13: And so the Israelis built bomb shelters for the civilians.
• 49:47
  Speaker 13: The Kamas built a bomb shelter that civilians were not
• 49:53
  Speaker 13: allowed into in the Great.
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: War Hamas started.
• 49:56
  Speaker 13: There's a vast tunnel system under South Lebanese villages that
• 50:00
  Speaker 13: Isbelah built. You can be completely opposed to Israeli policy
• 50:03
  Speaker 13: inside Lebanon right now. There is an Israeli debate about
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: it internal in Israel. You don't actually have to support
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: any of it. But if you can't see Rasbelah, if
• 50:12
  Speaker 13: you can't see an organization that the Lebanese have desperately
• 50:15
  Speaker 13: and out loud asked not to drag them into the war,
• 50:18
  Speaker 13: and who three times have joined in the war against Israel,
• 50:21
  Speaker 13: that Lebanon has no interests in. They went to this
• 50:24
  Speaker 13: latest round of war that sees the Israeli army moving
• 50:26
  Speaker 13: forward inside Lebanon. They went to this round of war
• 50:29
  Speaker 13: because of the killing of Khamenei, the leader of Iran.
• 50:32
  Speaker 13: Why is the leader of Iran's killing mean that Tresbela
• 50:35
  Speaker 13: has to drag Lebanon into this war. Rasbelah is willing
• 50:38
  Speaker 13: to destroy Lebanon on the altar of the religious demand
• 50:42
  Speaker 13: to destroy Israel. It believes that this is part of
• 50:45
  Speaker 13: the restoration of Islam from centuries of weakness. It has
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: this whole shtick, this whole narrative for which it is
• 50:50
  Speaker 13: willing to destroy its own society. We face enemies that
• 50:54
  Speaker 13: are utterly self destructive. They come from the same philosophical school,
• 50:58
  Speaker 13: the Kutibs and the Muzza brotherhood as Isis, and Isis
• 51:03
  Speaker 13: was massively wantonly self destructive of their own societies. Now,
• 51:07
  Speaker 13: when you face that kind of enemy again, you didn't
• 51:11
  Speaker 13: ask me debate the moral merits of the specifics of
• 51:13
  Speaker 13: the gods of war, So I'm not getting into it. Also,
• 51:15
  Speaker 13: I don't tell people not to hate a war by definition.
• 51:19
  Speaker 13: But if this person genuinely looks at this place and
• 51:21
  Speaker 13: the only thing they see is some totally inexplicable Israeli
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: brutality and anger, and not a world, a Middle East,
• 51:32
  Speaker 13: an ideological universe that has never stopped for generations telling
• 51:37
  Speaker 13: Israelis it will come to murder them for all time
• 51:40
  Speaker 13: because the redemption of the world requires it. If you
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: don't see Hamas Tramas. By the way, since October seven,
• 51:49
  Speaker 13: many times Razi Ramad in the week after October seven
• 51:52
  Speaker 13: on television in an interview I think with El Jazeira
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: said to Israelis, said publicly, and this made the headline
• 51:58
  Speaker 13: news in Israel, even if the mere Time's never covered it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 13: There will be more October sevens and infinite October sevens
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: until Israel's annihilated. Here now continues with that case, Yes.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: What I said. I was a little bit surprised, so
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: my response wasn't great. I said, I think if he
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: would say, they're trying to kill us every day, all
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the time, trying to kill all of us. And number
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: two his response, but they're starving the people in Gaza.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: There's a famine there, a million people are going to die.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Now that's not correct. But again, very smart person, very accomplished.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: You'd like him, you really would, very smart person. What
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: do you do when you hear something like that, that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: is one wrong. I mean, it's just it's not true.
• 52:48
  Speaker 13: It's just not true. There's a United Nations dashboard of
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: how much aid has gone in. And there was a
• 52:55
  Speaker 13: there was a real hunger crisis last year in the
• 52:59
  Speaker 13: in the spring and set roughly made to June, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 13: it was real, and I covered it, by the way
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: in the free press, and the free press pushed it
• 53:06
  Speaker 13: out to make it viral, to frankly wake up the
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: powers that be, especially on the Israeli side, who it
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: took a while to understand that this was actual, not
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: a famine, not starvation, but the danger of there were
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: always it's a war, there are always pockets and small
• 53:22
  Speaker 13: areas were supply problems caused real hunger, and that that
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: was true in the American campaign against Isis. I mean,
• 53:29
  Speaker 13: that is not the question. The question is that the
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: Israelis deliberately mass starving a population. And that has never
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: been true. But you know that that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 9: Bring it literally has never been true.
• 53:40
  Speaker 13: And if it was true, you would have footage of it,
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: and you don't have footage of it. And famously the
• 53:45
  Speaker 13: New York Times showing a starved child with his healthy,
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: well fed brothers cropped out of the picture because the
• 53:51
  Speaker 13: child had medical problems. Completely I was relevant to an
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: alleged starvation situation. Does that mean there's total food security?
• 53:59
  Speaker 13: Of course? Does that mean there isn't a serious problem.
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: Of course there's a serious problem, And of course those
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: civilians need help, and of course there needs to be
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  Speaker 13: as much aid as possible, and all of that can
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: be true without the Israelis deliberately starving, deliberate trying to
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  Speaker 13: starve anybody. But I have to tell you, Hugh, that
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: the first thing I would say was, you don't know
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: that they actually are trying to kill us. They're coming
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: to kill us, and they're willing to destroy their own
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: societies to do so. And that's kind of basically how
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: Islamists lead countries. They have only ever destroyed. The Iranian
• 54:28
  Speaker 13: regime demands the right to destroy Israel and is willing
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: to sacrifice generations of the Iranian economy on that altar.
• 54:34
  Speaker 13: But when we get back, I'll tell you the second piece.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I'd tell them, all right, I'll be right back with it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: The per part Kinderdell do anywhere America, I would be
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: welcome back America I'm going to do it with have
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Ready Gore of the Free Press. His podcast has asked
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Aviv anything. You can read his work everywhere and you
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: can follow him on at Haveviv Ready Gore Haveviv. My
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: response is, what, there is no genocide and there's no starve,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: but you wanted it. Before we get to the third
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: argument that we had about not reading the room, what
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: was part two of the hunger argument?
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: Part two is related to not reading the room.
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  Speaker 13: The reason that you're smart, serious, thoughtful, not bigoted, not
• 55:16
  Speaker 13: falling down crazy rabbit holes on social media. Friend thinks
• 55:20
  Speaker 13: that Israel's deliberately trying to starve Palestinians, is that Israel
• 55:25
  Speaker 13: pretended to deliberately be trying to starve Palestinians. You know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 13: I have an occasion criticized Natainnall in our conversations. You
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: have taken pains not to wait into Israeli politics. I
• 55:37
  Speaker 13: have taken pains not to wait into American politics. I
• 55:40
  Speaker 13: think we both appreciate that about each other. But here
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: we have a specific policy failure of the Israelis that produce,
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: among very decent people willing to be our friends, reactions
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: that are completely understandable. And the Israelis will have to
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: you know, these Israeli leaders who did that will have
• 55:57
  Speaker 13: to pay the cost. As near as I can figure,
• 55:59
  Speaker 13: what happened with the hunger crisis last year which led
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: to an unprecedented break with Israel by the German Chancellor,
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: by all kinds of people, conservatives you know at the
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: New York Times who were friends with is own.
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  Speaker 9: Went with Israel very long way in.
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  Speaker 13: This war and this very painful war. But that was
• 56:15
  Speaker 13: the moment that broke them. And what broke them was
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  Speaker 13: the Israeli government said roughly around February of last year
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  Speaker 13: that it will stop.
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  Speaker 9: Aid going in.
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  Speaker 13: And it thought, as this is the best I can
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  Speaker 13: figure from what I think happened in the Israeli cabinet
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  Speaker 13: in these discussions. There were in the spring early spring
• 56:34
  Speaker 13: of last year riots protests against Kamas that were starting
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: up in Gaza that were more than they had ever been,
• 56:40
  Speaker 13: And the Israelis looked at that and they said, you know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 13: it's awfully hard to pull a gorilla force out of
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: a population like the story of Gaza. It's not dissimilar
• 56:49
  Speaker 13: from Vietnam or the FLN in Algeria, wouldn't it be great,
• 56:52
  Speaker 13: if the Palestinians bring Kamas down, that would be the best.
• 56:55
  Speaker 13: How do we boost those protests? And that, I think
• 57:01
  Speaker 13: was the logic that the Israeli cabinet decided on, was
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: to convince Palestinians that it is desperately urgent that Hamas
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  Speaker 13: be brought down and not continue to rule them and
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: not continue to lead them in war. That if it
• 57:15
  Speaker 13: won't surrender, then it actually has to be felled from within.
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: And the way to do that, I think these Israeli
• 57:21
  Speaker 13: leaders thought was to convince the Palestinian public in Gaza
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: that they were going to start, that their aid was
• 57:28
  Speaker 13: going to stop, and so they announced the stopping of aid.
• 57:31
  Speaker 13: Now there is a publicly available UN dashboard of how
• 57:34
  Speaker 13: much aid has gone into Gaza, and there was no
• 57:37
  Speaker 13: moment in the last three years where there wasn't enough
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: food in Gaza, according to the UN data. And the
• 57:43
  Speaker 13: Israelis looked at that dashboard and they said, there's six
• 57:46
  Speaker 13: months of food in Gaza at this moment. So if
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: I stop aid and I hold out and I play
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: chicken with the aid into Gaza for three months, maybe
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: I'll create the ki I'll trigger the kind of urgency
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  Speaker 13: in the Gazan population that will bring down Ramas. Does
• 58:01
  Speaker 13: that sound cruel? Of course it's cruel. It's a war,
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: But you know it would be more cruel to continue
• 58:06
  Speaker 13: the war with a civilians.
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: Called in the middle and a Hamas that doesn't get
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: brought down by.
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  Speaker 13: Its own civilians. I think that was the logic. And
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  Speaker 13: they announced the cutting of eight and about three months
• 58:18
  Speaker 13: in or two months in, it suddenly started to look
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  Speaker 13: like there's real hunger. And what do I mean by that?
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: There have been multiple.
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  Speaker 9: UN reports January twenty twenty four there.
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  Speaker 13: Was one talking about feminine starvation in Gaza that turned
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: out to be complete fictions.
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  Speaker 9: They simply were never true.
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: It was not true, the data didn't hold, nobody could
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: demonstrate it. The reports themselves were stupid methodology and not
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: even pretending to be a decent methodology. And so the
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: Israelis don't take seriously international claims with starvation in Gaza
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: because it has again and again and again not been true.
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  Speaker 9: Your friend now.
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: Would say that to an Israeli, The Israeli would laugh
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  Speaker 13: in their face.
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: Your friend would be horrified.
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: But the Israelis actually correct, and your friend is mistaken
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: and is living in a bad information space.
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: And then in May.
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  Speaker 13: Of last year, and a particular economist in Israel who's
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: studying the prices in the markets of Gaza based on
• 59:08
  Speaker 13: guzzen telegram channels, noticed that the prices were not the
• 59:12
  Speaker 13: prices before the war for sacks of flour, were not
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: even five times those prices, which is kind of an
• 59:18
  Speaker 13: average in wartime. They had sudden and they had not
• 59:22
  Speaker 13: gone above that for a year and a half, but
• 59:24
  Speaker 13: they suddenly shot up to thirty times the pre war cost.
• 59:28
  Speaker 13: And by the time early June came around, and this
• 59:30
  Speaker 13: became something that I was talking about the free press
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: because the urgency of it had become obvious, and this
• 59:35
  Speaker 13: was real hunger potentially setting in. This was actual scarcity.
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: It had hit eighty times the pre war price. And
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: that's how we knew. And I'm talking about people like
• 59:45
  Speaker 13: a meet Sega conservative journal Israeli journalists close to the
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: government were suddenly sounding this alarm that I don't know
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: what game you cabinet ministers think you're playing. Real hunger
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: is setting in. And then the Israelis immediately opened the
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: floodgates and flooded massive amounts of food in. It turned
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 13: out excuse me. It turned out that when you announced
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 13: to a civilian population that the food aid in wartime
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 13: might be stopping, every parent in every household in Gaza
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: started hoarding. It turned out that even if there is
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: six months worth of food in Gaza, Gaza doesn't have
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 13: functioning markets that distribute the food properly to retailers and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 13: to everybody who could possibly want the food and need
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 13: the food, which is what a functioning market does. But
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 13: there is no functioning market in wartime conditions. This was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 13: an Israeli policy so colossally stupid. It wasn't that it
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: didn't have a rationale, but it was playing games with
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: things that they should never have played games with, and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 13: then it turned out they were wrong, and then they
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: flooded the place with aid. There's an unprecedented I don't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 13: think there's any population in wartime that has ever received
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 13: this much aid per capita as Gaza does now.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: And also Gaza has average and.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: That again has never been a shortage of food in Gaza,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 13: but there's been a shortage of access to food in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: Gaza for all kinds of reasons I just described so
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 13: to recap Israel never starved the Gozzens. But Israel did
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: everything it could for months to pretend to be starving
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: the Gozsens. And now someone like me needs to walk
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 13: into a university campus in America, I can't say to them,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 13: this is anti submitic. How dare you claim that Israel
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: starve Gozens cousins haven't starved, which is true, they have
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: not starved. There has been hunger in certain localized places
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: for certain periods of time, and it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: Was solved, and they have not starved. But what's my
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: actual explanation.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: My explanation is so ridiculous because the Israeli policy was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 13: so utterly incompetent and callous that it's almost better to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: just stay quiet. So two things come up with your
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 13: Three things come up with your friend. He lives in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: an information environment that is completely overwhelmed by narrative making
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 13: about Israel that has nothing to do with the reality
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 13: on the ground. We are, you know, a character in
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 13: this vast Western morality play about the West and Western crimes.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: You know, we're accused of genocide and apartheid and colonialism
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 13: and imperialism in every crime the West has ever accused
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 13: itself of. Because it's exactly that it's that projection. Our
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: enemies are ignored. They don't exist. It doesn't matter that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: the Iranians want genocide. It doesn't matter that Heris Blin
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: Tramas openly talk about our genocide.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: That's not a thing. And the only thing laugh is.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: A completely inexplicable brutality in our part. And also we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 13: are led by the most incompetent government that has ever
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 13: led us in one of the most delicate moments of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: our existence.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: I'm done, That's.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Right, you can't be done. I got to keep you
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: for one more segment because I got the second friend.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Both of these guys are not in the least bit
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: ani submit it. I know them well, all right, So
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I know them well enough to assure you. Now they're
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: just reading that. They're reading whatever their information flowed. Now.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I think one of the liberal Democrat and I think
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: one is a Centrists, and I'm a conservative, but none
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: of them are anti Semites. And I want to go
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to the Why can't the Israelis read the room? What
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: are they? Fourteen million Jews in the world and they've
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: got ten million Israeli can't they read the room that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the world doesn't like them? And I want to get
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: your response to that in a six minute segment after
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the break don't go anywhere, America. I'm you do it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: with a Vieve Reddy Gor Welcome back to America. You
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: hear it with Aviv Ready Gore, who I asked to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: stay for an extra segment because my second breakfast buddy
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: says to me, after we go through, genocide not happening, Hunger,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: starvation are not happening. They're trying to kill the Israelis.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. My other friend says, well,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: can't they read the room? How many Jews are there?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: They're fourteen million Jews ten million Jews in Israel or roughly,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and why can't they understand that they're conducting themselves in
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: a way that the world hates them. Can't they read
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the room? And I don't know how to answer that,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: because I think you do read the room at lead
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you do, and the meet does, and the Daba that does.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: The three Israeli I talked to. What's your response that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: can't you read the room? Lay off the war for
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: a while. Q.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 13: It's on this narrow point.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: I am more much more extreme than your friend.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 13: We have positions in the Israeli government whose job is
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 13: to read the room, call it strategic communication.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: And those positions have gone unfilled.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 13: The literal director, the coordinator of strategic communication in the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 13: Prime Minister's office was a position unfilled for two years,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: the last two years. A couple months ago, Ntagnell finally
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 13: hired someone to the job who is a former ambassador
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 13: to London. But she's a formerly could MK.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: She's not like a.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: Professional ambassador who does strategic communication. She's a really could
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 13: person low down on the list who he's loyal to.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: Him, so he appoints to various positions.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 13: I promise you she's not the person to handle job
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: of coordinating is real strategic communication. When the hunger is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 13: happening in Gaza, the Israeli government was silent, and then
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 13: when people did finally yell at them from the White House,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 13: the Israeli government's official explanation for what's happening is that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 13: everyone's antisemitic and nothing happened. Now, starvation didn't happen, and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: it wasn't an intentional campaign to the big thing is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 13: absolutely untrue. But you're going to pretend like the Israeli
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: government isn't the reason it happened when they give their
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: ones have cut off aid, and there's even a rationale
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 13: for cutting off the aid, and they genuinely thought there
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 13: was food in there, so it was a terrible but
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: communicate you, You and I, Hugh, Okay, we see the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: same pictures everyone else sees. Cities are demolished parts and sections,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: but large ones, extensive ones of cities in Gaza are demolished.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: And the question that an ordinary person asks is why, why.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: Why did you do that?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 13: Yes, there's a terrible enemy, Sure, why did you do that?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 13: And if you can't give a straight answer and a
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: morally sound answer, they are allowed to assume the worst
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 13: about you.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: Decent people. There are huge.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: Antisemitism and anti imperialism that lump saw it different. It's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 13: not an anti Semitic prejudice. It's a weird anti Western
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 13: hatred and it lumps us Ali.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: All of that's happening.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: But also ordinary decent people are saying, you bulldoze the city.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: And I have been screaming for.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: The Israelis to just say a very simple thing, denoxification.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: America firebombed cities, America leveled cities, America burned to the ground,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: fifty Japanese cities before Hiroshima. And you know why, because
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: that's what it took to pull that regime by the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: roots out of that society, to win and make sure
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: that that regime never threatens anyone again. And then America
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 13: went and rebuilt Germany and Japan, and you could not
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 13: have done the rebuilding the great and vast to the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: point where when Chancellor Schultz visited President Trump in the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 13: White House, I think it was last year May eighth
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: Victory in Europe Day, and Trump said to him something
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 13: silly like, it's probably a bad day for you.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 9: It's you know, victory in Europe day.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 13: And the Chancellor response was this beautiful thing, which I'm
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: going to paraphrase badly. He said, today's not a bad
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 13: day for Germany. Today's a great day for Germany because
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 13: today was the birth of the new Germany. Israel should
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 13: have gone into Gaza and said, we will do whatever
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 13: it takes to get ramasaut because Haramas will never stop fighting,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 13: will never stop destroying Gaza on the altar of destroying Israel.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 13: There is no compromise with these people. There is no
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 13: deterring these people. The tunnel system tells us that as
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 13: much as October seven tells us that and when Ramas
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 13: is gone, there will be a great and new dawn
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 13: for a Gaza that has natural gas off the coast,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: for a Gaza that is rebuilt under Arab stewardship, not Israeli,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: for a Gazza that can become the beautiful Emirate that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 13: Eastern Mediterranean countries should always have been ev been. If
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 13: the Israelis had said that, your friend would say, I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 13: wish Tramas weren't such Nazis. But the Israelis didn't say that.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: They've said nothing at all.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: And then I said, it.
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  Speaker 13: Doesn't appoint people to those positions, doesn't say the story,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: doesn't tell the story.
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  Speaker 1: What I said was, you've got to read a book
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: from me, The Looming Tar by Lawrence Right, and you've
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: got to read about Katub and the Brotherhood and why
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Egypt didn't want Gaza back and why Iran is crazy.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: That was my aunt, because unless people have the facts
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: about what the Brotherhood is and what Amas is and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: what Iran is last thirty second, they're never going to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: get it. They're never going to understand it. Am I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: right about that?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: They're never going to get it?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, but you know, we look competent, we look powerful,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 13: we look safe. Why why you know nine million Israelis
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 13: or ten million Israelis so much more powerful than ninety
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 13: million Iranians because they're ruled by a terrible kleptocratic, tyrannical
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 13: dictatorship that destroys their an economy.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: But we actually, because we are.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 13: Western, technologically savvi capable, we have to explain what the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 13: hell we're doing. We'll still have enemies. We're not going
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 13: to convince the bigots, but we lost friends we didn't
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 13: need to lose through sheer callous incompetence.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Well said is always heavy. Boy. I appreciate your time.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: We'll talk next month about so Rob because I got
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about that stuff you didn't ask him,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: But we'll come back to that. This was more pressings
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: today tavivret Haigor on x. You can read him in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: the Free Press where he's the Middle East correspondent. He
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: has a Patreon that you ought to join you on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: to get everything he does. And I hope he writes
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: a book about this, but he has already kind of
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: busy to thank you for you the images coming out
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: of Venezuela are heartbreaking. Powerful earthquakes have left entire community
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: in rubble. Families are already struggling, suddenly lost their homes, apartments,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: even access to clean water, the necessities needed to survive.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Right now, children are sleeping and makeshift shelters. Parents are
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: searching for food, clean water, basic safety for their family.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm here, Hewett. As I reported
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  Speaker 1: yesterday Live, You're in the show. Platner is exploding in Maine.
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  Speaker 1: They're lining up to replace him, Nei ab Shah, other
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  Speaker 1: failed candidates in the governor's race, other candidates from long
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  Speaker 1: ago are lining up. Matt Contnetty. Did the Democrats stage
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  Speaker 1: it comeback after this fiasco and meltdown in Maine?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hugh, I think will be very hard for the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats either way, whether Graham Platner remains in the race
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  Speaker 3: or if he leaves the race, and somehow the Democrats
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  Speaker 3: engineer or placement out of all these various, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not too high a standard alternatives. I think the real
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  Speaker 3: problem here, Hugh, wasn't Grand Platner's awful accusations of abuse.
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  Speaker 3: This latest terrible accusation of rape. It was that recent
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  Speaker 3: polls showed him losing to Susan Collins, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that was really what set the machinery in gear for
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Establishment and even some of Platner's socialist allies
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  Speaker 3: to call for his removal from the ballot, because more
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  Speaker 3: than anything else, the Democrats want to defeat Susan Collins
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  Speaker 3: in order to capture the United States Senate in the fall.
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  Speaker 1: Well, do you think there's something, you know, something rotten
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  Speaker 1: in Denmark as an old something rotten in the DSA
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  Speaker 1: that blinds them to reality about politics. Maybe they've been
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  Speaker 1: working in dark blue districts for too long and then
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  Speaker 1: when they come out to play in the real world,
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  Speaker 1: meins a blue state, but it's not a deep blue state.
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  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time there. It's not deep
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  Speaker 1: deep blue. Do you think when they come out to
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  Speaker 1: play in the real world they're surprised that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people just will not accept what they accept, which
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  Speaker 1: is just be anti Israel and we're fine with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think with Platner, it's a pretty complicated picture.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he came out of nowhere. He wasn't vetted
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  Speaker 3: at all, But he clearly did kind of catch fire
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  Speaker 3: among the base in Maine, which is very left wing,
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  Speaker 3: very radical base, and his performance as a candidate was
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  Speaker 3: pretty strong. Actually, if you just forget about all of
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  Speaker 3: the package, which I know it's hard to forget, but
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  Speaker 3: if you just look at him as a speaker, I
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  Speaker 3: think he was sounding the right notes for the far
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  Speaker 3: left base in Maine, and that presented the Democratic establishment
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  Speaker 3: with the problem because they knew that this unvetted grand
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  Speaker 3: platner would pose real problems for electability, but they didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to get in between the base and their favorite candidate.
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  Speaker 2: And so I have to.
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  Speaker 3: Say I see the work of Chuck Schumer in what's
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  Speaker 3: been happening in Maine over the past few days. I've
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  Speaker 3: also seen the work of Chuck Schumer in what happened
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  Speaker 3: in Michigan when the one of the progressive candidates, Mallory McMorrow,
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  Speaker 3: dropped out in order to create a two person race
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  Speaker 3: between al Saied and Hailey Stevens later in August. So
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  Speaker 3: I kind of see now the Democratic establishment seizing what
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  Speaker 3: opportunity it can find in order to create the bright
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  Speaker 3: conditions for Democratic Senate victories in the fall. Let's not
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  Speaker 3: forget also that the Democrats are up to this dirty
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  Speaker 3: trick in Alaska, where they're running this other Dan Sullivan,
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  Speaker 3: who came out of nowhere and is clearly his entire
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  Speaker 3: candidacy is based on the assumption that some Alaskans will
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  Speaker 3: vote for the other Dan Sullivan and thus draw votes
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  Speaker 3: away from incumbent Senator Dan Sullivan, a Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to work now that he's
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  Speaker 1: still on the baut I think the Alaska Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: put him back on the ballot for reasons that escape me.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think there's been enough attention on that
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  Speaker 1: that Alaska voters are they will look for United States
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  Speaker 1: Senator on the designation line and go for that Dan Sullivan.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in a close race, Hugh, in a ranked choice
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  Speaker 3: electoral scheme, it may not take many to provide the
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  Speaker 3: winning mo margin for Mary Peltola, the Democratic choice in Alaska.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think that most Alaskans will.
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  Speaker 2: Fall for this dirty trick.
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  Speaker 3: But that's just a question of enough do to give
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  Speaker 3: the seat to the Democrats. I mean, let's not forget
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  Speaker 3: those Palm Beach voters back in two thousand who voted
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  Speaker 3: for Pat Buchanan right because of the makeup of the ballot,
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  Speaker 3: so you never know when tricks like this are played.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need to confuse all the people, just need
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  Speaker 3: to confuse enough in order to get your candidate across
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  Speaker 3: the finish line.
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  Speaker 1: So zoom out to thirty thousand feet. Polymarket has got
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  Speaker 1: the odds of the Republicans retaining the Senator completely in
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  Speaker 1: the last thirty days, from sixty to forty Democrats to
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  Speaker 1: sixty to forty Republicans holding on and in play is
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  Speaker 1: Georgia and Michigan, Ohio and Iowa, Alaska and Maine, I think,
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  Speaker 1: and North Carolina. When you look at the seven bigs,
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  Speaker 1: how do you see the Senate turning out? Matt Continent, Well.
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  Speaker 3: I still believe my initial view from earlier this year
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  Speaker 3: that it would be very difficult for the Democrats to
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  Speaker 3: take the Senate, and one reason is Maine because I think,
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  Speaker 3: as you said, Hugh, the alternatives to Platinner are are
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  Speaker 3: we They don't have Platner's baggage, but they're very weak,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that they will only divide the main
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  Speaker 3: Democratic Party and it will advantage Susan Collins. And look
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  Speaker 3: if the Democrats can't win Maine, a state that Kamala
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  Speaker 3: one in twenty twenty four, They're not going to win
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  Speaker 3: the United States Senate because they would need to have Maine, Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina, and Iowa and Alaska if that were to happen.
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  Speaker 3: And so I would just look at Ohio and Iowa
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  Speaker 3: as the ones I think that are more on my
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  Speaker 3: radar now as kind of main recedes and the key
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  Speaker 3: there in those two states, Hugh is the governor's races
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  Speaker 3: may actually play a central role in determining the outcome
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  Speaker 3: of the Senate races. Both states have I think very
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  Speaker 3: competitive governors races with Democrats who aren't as connected to
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Socialist takeover of the Democratic Party, and that
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  Speaker 3: may help the Democratic Senate candidates in either of those states.
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  Speaker 3: Even then, though these are deep red states, I expect
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  Speaker 3: President Trump to be out there campaigning for the Republican
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  Speaker 3: incumbents or Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: Hinson, the nominee in Iowa, and so right now, I.
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  Speaker 3: Still think the chances of a Democratic Senate takeover are
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  Speaker 3: less than fifty percent.
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  Speaker 1: Last quick question, I'm not going to set up the
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  Speaker 1: situation as I understand it. What's your impression of shared
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  Speaker 1: Brown right now in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I've been seeing enough of him
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  Speaker 3: as you have, Hugh. I know that you've been seeing
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  Speaker 3: him a little bit rickety there. I think that Brown
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  Speaker 3: look he lost, so you don't want to be coming
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  Speaker 3: off a losing bid. At the same time, it's a
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  Speaker 3: democratic year. He has a profile there. I think what's
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  Speaker 3: very important is for Houston to really lay out the
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  Speaker 3: conservative maga case for the direction we're headed in. I
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  Speaker 3: think if he can do that, with President Trump's help,
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  Speaker 3: the Republicans will retain the seat in the fall.
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  Speaker 1: So you've heard me say, I think the real problem
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  Speaker 1: there's got a bidening problem, which is just shuffling a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Matt contenetty problem at continety. Read him in the Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal. Thank you, Matt,