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Drago Sumonja: Documenting Life · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: There are some things in this universe, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: that are bigger than all of us.
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  Speaker 4: And a tortoise is one of them.
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  Speaker 5: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Wesley.
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  Speaker 5: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 5: from the outskirts of the Kentucky Theater, right in the middle.
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  Speaker 5: and sort of closing down, Heritage Stanton Fest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the grand finale, right?
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  Speaker 5: This is the big, yeah, this is the big night.
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  Speaker 5: This is the grand finale, although it's kicked off with
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  Speaker 5: a huge event, and it's got tons of stuff in
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  Speaker 5: the middle, so she's, you know, Lucy continues to pack
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  Speaker 5: it with more and more stuff. Each year it gets
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  Speaker 5: bigger and more elaborate and crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she deserves an award of some sort. I just
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  Speaker 1: texted her that today, so, yeah, she always wrangles up
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  Speaker 1: an excellent fest. This is one of my favorite yearly events,
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  Speaker 1: if not the favorite yearly event, so it's, yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 1: Get up here if you can, for sure.
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  Speaker 5: I still find myself, like, pitching it to people all
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  Speaker 5: the time because it's so hard to find out about anything. So, like,
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  Speaker 5: there's so many people I meet that don't know it's
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  Speaker 5: a thing. So I'm just like, oh, no. And then
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  Speaker 5: I will describe it and they're like, wow, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 5: Especially when I start getting into, like, who's been coming and, like,
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  Speaker 5: the other new events she keeps adding. I'm like, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: it's worth it. Plan your trip now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to market things in general. Like, just
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  Speaker 1: from my work with the library, I found that, like,
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  Speaker 1: I have that in the ones barrel. Oh, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that was happening. It's Facebook and their darn algorithms
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  Speaker 1: that prevent people from seeing things they want to see.
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  Speaker 5: That's a pretty standard complaint.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Not, I mean, Facebook in general, but also like just
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  Speaker 5: people in general of like not, not only not supporting things,
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  Speaker 5: but also not going out of their way to learn
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  Speaker 5: about new things. Like people get, and I, I'm guilty
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  Speaker 5: as well. Like there are times when I'm like, I didn't,
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  Speaker 5: but again, I'm usually like the one that is sort
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  Speaker 5: of seeking it out. So that's why it's even more
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  Speaker 5: of a, like, I see it as a problem when
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  Speaker 5: I see like, whoa, I didn't know that was even here. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm the one looking for these kinds of events. This
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  Speaker 5: is like some sort of weird dorky movie tie-in thing.
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  Speaker 5: Why didn't I, like your algorithm should have pointed it
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  Speaker 5: towards me because I'm your key market or target audience
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  Speaker 5: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Our Facebook person at work actually said that I think
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  Speaker 1: if you post more than three times a day, they
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  Speaker 1: see you as posting too much. So they limit how
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  Speaker 1: many things they show to people that follow you, which
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  Speaker 1: is weird.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like, again, I do like once a day
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  Speaker 5: and I feel like I'm, you know, sometimes I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: am I bothering you guys? Am I pestering people? So
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, but again, I don't do the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: I'll pick a new dumb photo to attach to it
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  Speaker 5: and some other nonsense thing that I say. So I
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  Speaker 5: don't like, you know, try to, overwhelm people with the
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  Speaker 5: same stupid thing.
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  Speaker 1: I use the PJ Starks tactic of tagging people that
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  Speaker 1: I think may or may not be interested. I've had
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  Speaker 1: a few people get mad at me about that, but
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  Speaker 1: I always put in there at the bottom, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I tagged you because I thought you were interested.
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  Speaker 1: Just let me know if you want me to stop
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  Speaker 1: doing that. So far, that's worked pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: Well, PJ is a shady character.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 5: And I can say that because I just saw him
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  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a rat?
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  Speaker 5: He was at one of the conventions, and I was
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  Speaker 5: just walking down the hall, and there he was with
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  Speaker 5: a table selling that movie of yours.
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  Speaker 1: Volumes of Blood.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he had it, and he was just like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: what's going on? We stood in the hallway and talked
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  Speaker 5: for a few minutes.
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  Speaker 1: They're working on 3 now. They've got an open casting thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to help a little bit with it, with
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  Speaker 1: music stuff probably. So, hey, if you're a band and
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  Speaker 1: you want to get your song in a movie, send
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  Speaker 1: it my way. Yeah, he's a shady character, but look
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  Speaker 1: up PJ Starks. We'll plug him anyway because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Volumes of Blood.
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  Speaker 5: He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Very talented guy. Good person. His dogs are really nice.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always on board for dogs. So, you've been here.
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  Speaker 5: I'm lucky to time anything I do anymore. Sadly, I've
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  Speaker 5: got like six events going on the same weekend sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm slightly exaggerating, but this weekend's been crazy. So, I
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  Speaker 5: haven't done near as much stuff involving the Harrington Stanton
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  Speaker 5: Fest as you have. So, what's some cool stuff you've
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  Speaker 5: done in conjunction with this year's event?
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  Speaker 1: One thing I like about this event is that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the movies, and this shows you, I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in a very conservative household, and I missed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of movies, especially rated R ones that came out
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Crazy. Normally, yeah, I see two or three
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  Speaker 1: movies with Harry Dean in it that I haven't seen before.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday was Private Benjamin, which I hadn't seen. It was
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  Speaker 1: actually hilarious and very timely.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, again, I've seen it a million times on
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  Speaker 5: cable back in the day. It was one of those
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  Speaker 5: that just was on pretty steadily. At that point. But
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  Speaker 5: then thinking about it, I'm like, I couldn't tell you
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  Speaker 5: the last time I've seen it. So, again, once it, like,
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  Speaker 5: goes out of that rotation, like, sometimes you don't remember
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  Speaker 5: to seek that kind of stuff out. So, like, I
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  Speaker 5: do remember really liking it back in the day. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it is funny how long it'll be sometimes. I'll think
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  Speaker 5: about it and be like, wow, that's been a long
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  Speaker 5: time since I've seen that movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I was a big fan of the TV show
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  Speaker 1: growing up. Again, conservative household. The movie's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more racy than the show. So, of course, that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: in our rotation at the crib. But I did like
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  Speaker 1: it a lot. And, yeah, Lucy and I discussed it
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  Speaker 1: a bit before I went into it. And she mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the timeliness of it. And she was right. It's still
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  Speaker 1: pretty relevant. And, yeah, I really, really dug it. And
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  Speaker 1: then after that was Repo Man, which is always good.
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  Speaker 1: I had seen that one. First time I saw Repo
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  Speaker 1: Man was actually at Harry Dean's Stanton Fest a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago when it was at the Green Lantern. And
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  Speaker 1: then afterwards they had a band playing the soundtrack.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I missed that because I had to go back to
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  Speaker 1: Elizabethtown and I didn't want to fall asleep at the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: But I did see all the movie and I absolutely
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  Speaker 1: loved it.
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  Speaker 5: Or you might be abducted by aliens in the car.
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  Speaker 5: Because that happens, you know, sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And I found out something recently. I knew that Harry
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  Speaker 1: Dean Stanton cameoed in Chuck. I watched all of Chuck,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw it way before I'd seen Repo Man.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently that was supposed to be the same character.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, it was in IMDb trivia or something.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Geeks like their inside jokes and tie-in cameos.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. And his name was Harry on the show, too,
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  Speaker 1: according to IMDb. It just makes it easier for them. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd forgotten how good that soundtrack is. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how I could have forgotten it because it's a standout.
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  Speaker 1: I love the kind of sort of surfy spa sort
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  Speaker 1: of music stuff that comes in the instrumental pieces. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, it's loaded with good punk bands.
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  Speaker 5: That is one of those, again, I kind of just
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  Speaker 5: remember bits and pieces of it on cable. I don't
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  Speaker 5: really remember it. It was years and years later. I
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  Speaker 5: think a couple of years before they started playing it
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  Speaker 5: at Heritage and Sandfest. But I think I just, wild
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  Speaker 5: and wooly one day, I was just like, okay, I
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  Speaker 5: need to get caught up and officially sit down. And
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  Speaker 5: I was kind of blown away, like how good it is,
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  Speaker 5: like how solid a movie and like weird it is for, again, it's,
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  Speaker 5: there's just like sort of an art form to being
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  Speaker 5: able to make something that's that of its own thing.
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  Speaker 5: And like that is one of those that like, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: it works and it works perfectly, but just its own
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  Speaker 5: weird special.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny, it's edgy. It's a, it's engaging.
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  Speaker 5: It's a perfect mixture of people that probably didn't get along.
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  Speaker 5: So the stories go, it all kind of worked.
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  Speaker 1: And I, as I watched it yesterday, I realized how
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  Speaker 1: much Emilio Estevez looks like Jake Gyllenhaal or I guess
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  Speaker 1: vice versa. Um, I never thought about their similarities. I, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe Donnie Darko era, uh, Jake Gyllenhaal
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  Speaker 1: but yeah that movie's always.
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  Speaker 5: Good so when I do my Wisdom remake I'm casting
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  Speaker 5: Jake Gyllenhaal that's what you're saying alright.
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  Speaker 1: I'm currently working on that and I've going into some
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  Speaker 1: of these I brought up IMDb or I might like
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  Speaker 1: take a bathroom break and look up some trivia or
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  Speaker 1: whatever not not Number two.
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  Speaker 5: I just realized what that sounded like after I said it.
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  Speaker 1: But just en route to the bathroom, I might pull
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  Speaker 1: out my phone. Let's, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We'll leave it at that.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Use good judgment, kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I didn't, apparently there's a sequel to Repo Man?
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  Speaker 1: Like a straight to video thing or something?
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  Speaker 5: I think I remember hearing that. Like, again, years later.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of those that, like, so many years later
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  Speaker 5: I'll learn about weird stuff. I just, in the last
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  Speaker 5: few years, found out there was a, like, many years
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  Speaker 5: later Streets of Fire sequel. Oh. That look like a nightmare.
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  Speaker 5: And by a nightmare, I mean awesome. So, yeah, there's
• 9:44
  Speaker 5: all these weird things that pop up later in the
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  Speaker 5: era of home video and specifically once Cable got involved. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me if there's a Repo Man 2
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  Speaker 5: lurking about.
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  Speaker 1: There's also a Donnie Darko sequel.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I've seen Os Darko.
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  Speaker 4: How?
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  Speaker 5: How was that? We did an entire episode. So I
• 10:05
  Speaker 5: attempted to break down more than people wanted. And definitely
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  Speaker 5: the people sitting at the table with me. Wanted because
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  Speaker 5: I'm going on about the Tesseract and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 5: figure out the timeline and then the alternate timeline that
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  Speaker 5: comes into play within its own movie, let alone tied
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  Speaker 5: to Donnie Darko. I mean, if you're a super Donnie
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  Speaker 5: Darko dork, it's worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: I did go through the website with a friend.
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  Speaker 5: As a movie on its own, it's not even in
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  Speaker 5: the same ballpark. And I know some people don't love
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  Speaker 5: Donnie Darko, but I think, again... doing what it's supposed
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  Speaker 5: to do it does it really well so this is
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: not that type of thing but it is like oddly
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  Speaker 5: complex and complicated for something that seems like they were
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  Speaker 5: trying to pull in a whole new audience.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a direct-to-video or did that one go to.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know they might have done like a a
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  Speaker 5: one night opening in LA or something, you know, so
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  Speaker 5: you could get nominated.
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  Speaker 1: I think I saw part of it once and didn't
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  Speaker 1: get super into it, but it had been a while
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  Speaker 1: since I'd watched the original. So yeah, I might, might
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  Speaker 1: have to explore that.
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  Speaker 5: It was the, the actual sister. They didn't recast. It
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  Speaker 5: was Dubai, comes back years later. So like it, it,
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  Speaker 5: that was kind of cool, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Of Lilo and Stitch fame.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is her like grown up, but like, it's
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  Speaker 5: still very strange. So I don't know. It's, it's got,
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  Speaker 5: it's got issues.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. Going back to what I
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  Speaker 1: was saying earlier about the conservative upbringing, like, did you
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  Speaker 1: always have cable? Just out of curiosity.
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  Speaker 5: From before there even was regular cable, like we had
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: like cable, there was some sort of weird, and this
• 11:38
  Speaker 5: was well before dishes, but there was one that was
• 11:40
  Speaker 5: called super channel that they came out and mounted this
• 11:43
  Speaker 5: giant antenna looking thing onto your house. This was like
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: a couple of years before cable made its way to
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: our town. So this was like the precursor that I guess,
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was just for outliers or
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: if maybe it was going on in the bigger cities too,
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: but like, It only got a handful of channels even then,
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: but you still got movie channels. So it was like
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: the first time I saw a full-on, playing R-rated movies,
• 12:07
  Speaker 5: playing them, still probably maybe not 24 hours a day yet.
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  Speaker 5: Probably pretty close, though. It was one of the first
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  Speaker 5: times you started seeing that kind of thing. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: almost from as far back. I mean, I can remember
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  Speaker 5: not having cable, but most of my life has been cable.
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  Speaker 1: See, I come from an area... Muhlenberg County, for those listening.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: John Prime fans. Shout out. That's about our only claim
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  Speaker 1: to fame. No offense. I love you, hometown, if you're listening.
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  Speaker 5: They might be listening, but they don't get wiped out.
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  Speaker 1: What I was going to say, I come from an
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  Speaker 1: area where my grandfather ran over our phone cable multiple
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: times with his tractor. So we did not have the
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: most technologically advanced society. Eventually, we did get DirecTV, but
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: for the longest time, they told us we were too
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: far from the cable main box to get cable. So
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: the reception would be terrible. It came like halfway up
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  Speaker 1: our road. They sprung one line off a box. My
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: uncle had cable, who was just a few houses down
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: from us, and his reception was pretty terrible. But it's
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: funny as an adult to go back and watch movies
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  Speaker 1: that I watched on television and see how they edited things.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: I love TV edits, be it dialogue or whatever. The
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: funniest one I know of is Showgirls. An old friend
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: of mine was like, Watch this. On VH1 Showgirls, they
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: actually drew cartoon bras all over the nudity.
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  Speaker 5: Which is the entire movie.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: It's very Roger Rabbit-esque. I need to find that. It's
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Oh yeah, you can find scenes from YouTube.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: I went back and referenced it. It's really funny. I
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: remember Top Secrets a lot more risque than the anal
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: intruder bit was cut out of the TV version. It's
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: interesting to revisit some of that stuff to see what
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: didn't make the cut. I saw spinal tap. Well, actually
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I went to the unwigged and unplugged tour, which was
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: the actors from spinal tap out of character playing.
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: Cause they all know how to play. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they're wonderful musicians. They played songs from a mighty
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: wind and spinal taps. Great night. I saw it at
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  Speaker 1: the Ryman in Nashville. I was just right by the stage.
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  Speaker 1: I get to say, Hey to a couple of them,
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  Speaker 1: which was neat. But, um, they, uh, read, uh, they
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  Speaker 1: did like little bits and they had like a stone
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: hinge obviously. And, uh, One of the things they did,
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  Speaker 1: they read from the notes that the television channel, the censors,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: whatever the censor, I can't remember what it was, standards
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  Speaker 1: and practices, I guess. The stuff that they had to
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: cut out, they did a dramatic reading of all the
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: edits they had to make. I can't remember any of it,
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  Speaker 1: but it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't get as much of that now, just
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: because network TV does not play movies.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for years, that was.
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: Like a staple, like filling huge areas on there. It's
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  Speaker 5: rare now that you ever see like network television like
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: anywhere between eight and ten running a movie like it's
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: once a year i'll be like whoa like i'll run
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: across something that they made some deal and like they
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: actually play a movie but it's just so rare now
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: which is weird because like to me that's that's like
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  Speaker 5: how i saw so many of.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Those movies growing up it's like the sunday.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Night movie and like that opening theme was awesome now
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: it's all a christmas story.
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  Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, again, the cable networks have kind of taken over,
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  Speaker 5: and they do their own version.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's like, what, TBS, where they play Christmas
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Story all day on Christmas?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But even then, some of them will at least play stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and I guess there's still a need for edited versions
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  Speaker 5: that they can throw on TV like that. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I miss some of the stuff they used to play.
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  Speaker 5: I was, for a while, just like, when he was
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: still a thing, I remember specifically seeking out every Eddie
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: Murphy movie to watch and see what they did.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Most of what he says is offensive.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: So like, it's one long beat. I remember, uh, Fox
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: used to play the golden child pretty regularly, which I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: do own on VHS now.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: I'm proud to say probably a little lighter. I think
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: that's PG 13. Yeah, it was pretty light for sure.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, I guess, uh, going back to the fest, uh,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: another cool thing I saw, I missed the Dennis Quaid concert.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I wish I'd have made it for that, but I
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: just came on Saturday and Sunday and, uh, I saw
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Donnie Fritz though, which was excellent. He was, he was
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: very cool. But, uh, western movies open for them the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: local band yeah man i was like totally captivated by
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: them very cool have you heard them before i don't
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: think so again i've we we've got a a band
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: in my town that kind of does something that sounds
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: like again just i'm like i'm now casting my own
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: show of like oh i could get a hold of
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: them we can do some sort of weird western theme
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: so yeah it was i mean it was it was
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like They reminded me of Spoon a little
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: bit at times, but kind of with Calexico and some
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: country and Western cinematic sort of landscape stuff. Soundscape, not landscape.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they were very, very good. And that was
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: right up my alley, that sort of sound. But don't
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, the whole package was great. But man,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Western movies, that really scratched my itch there. And I
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: know they are from Lexington, and I'm going to look
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: into maybe buying some of their stuff. I don't know
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: if they have any vinyl. Not to sound like a snob,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: but I buy almost everything on vinyl these days.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people that do.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I miss CDs myself. Yeah, I know you can go
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: into Book and Music Exchange and pick up those for
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: like $ 20.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, I know. There's a reason I have so many
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: soundtrack CDs now. It's because they're cheap.
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this morning I saw the Missouri Breaks for
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the first time, which I liked.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I recently played the trailer, and even the trailer was weird. Oh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Marlon Brando was amazing in it. Apparently he just improvised
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: the whole thing.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: He made his... own weapon for it. There's some sort
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: of weird weapon that he basically said he made because
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: he just always wondered why there wasn't a weapon like that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: So he thought it would be useful and got it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: As previously stated, he's a weird dude. One part of it,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I think he... I don't know if this bit.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: In IMDb it said something about him showing up in
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: a dress one day and it wasn't a part of
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the role. So there's part of it he plays as
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a grandmother.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, there's all kinds of fun stuff in there
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: like that and lots of Marlon Brando kind of eccentricities.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: His weird behavior with the horse.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Even that's in the trailer. That's one thing
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that I read that there's some, like, one of the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: animal kind of watchdogs, no pun intended, like, there were
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: some horses heard on that that they kind of got
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in some trouble about.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: That happened a lot with Westerns back in the day.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was accidental, but at the same time, like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: they're on the bad list for that organization that kind
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of watched that. But it's... It's a good movie. I mean,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I love Westerns, but my problem with older Westerns is
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they tend to be really, really long. And this one
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: was about two and a half hours. I had very
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: little sleep last night, so I will admit to dozing
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: off a couple times. It's like the Ferris Theater is wonderful.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: The seats are nice, and it's really, really cool in there.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So after a hot day, not much sleep. It's kind
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of hard to stay awake a little bit. But I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like that all the events this year are basically at
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the Ferris and the Kentucky. Not the concerts, but the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: films have all kind of been in the same place.
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: They were kind of spread out last year, which was
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: cool because it gets you around the town and lets
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you see Lexington as a whole. But it was a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: lot easier to navigate this year with kind of all
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: being down the road from each other, basically. But yeah,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Missouri Breaks is good. I feel like it could have
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: been a little shorter, but I did like it. Harry
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Dean was awesome in it, obviously. Jack Nicholson was great.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson, I guess you'd call him the lead, him
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and Brando. uh, apparently hated each other after they started
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: working with each other.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: That happened a lot with people that work with Brando.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Another thing I read was that he used cue cards.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Brando did at this point. And, uh, and they said, uh,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I guess they didn't like each other so much that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of the scenes were shot apart from each other.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So like there's one scene where Brando's in the bathtub
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and he's got his back turned and he's dialoguing. And
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: then you see just Jack Nicholson. Uh, so yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: And they were nowhere near each other.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Different days probably.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a, it's a very bizarre movie. Definitely worth
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: tracking down if you're a Western fan. And, uh, Yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it was really, really entertaining. The music was great. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: thought it said John Williams did it. I could be
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: wrong about that. I was kind of trying to pay attention.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: He did some different stuff back in the early days
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: for him, but I don't know for sure.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, it was a good one. I'm glad that
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: some of these lesser known ones, which I don't know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that may be a more well-known movie than I think.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But I wasn't aware of it until I came up here.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: It's nice.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I like the quirky ones that she works in sometimes.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: She does really well with the packaging stuff. Definitely.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say, of stuff I've seen lately,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: this one is a tie-in. And it is because, not directly,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: but yeah, because I hadn't seen it in so long.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: It was exactly that same thing I said earlier. This
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: is one I saw just sort of on cable all
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: the time back in the day. And then I started
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: thinking about it when I was going through the list
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: for this guest. Because in the building, again, right down there,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: is Dabney Coleman. So I was kind of looking through his,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: and I was like, I have not seen Cloak &
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Dagger in so many years. So I went back and
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: revisited Cloak & Dagger. And once again, it is such
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: an 80s movie. Like, that is such a VHS classic.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Because.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: It's one of those that, like, back in the 80s,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: you could make a movie where a kid was in
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: danger all the damn time. Like, there's so many times
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: when they were just firing a gun at this child.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: And I'm just like, I feel like that wouldn't go
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: over so easily. I'm not saying you can't make a
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: movie like that now, but it's just... One of my
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: favorite genres is kids who cuss. Oh, yeah. This one's
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: not too bad on that one.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not that, but.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: But it is funny, like, just pretty early on, because
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: he's so, like, enamored with the spy character that, like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: he's like wants to be like him so he's loading
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: up his gun at the beginning and it looks like
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: it's a squirt gun because he's a kid but it
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: is before they put an orange tip on it before
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: they made him purple like it just looks like a
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: handgun and i'm like yeah a little kid carrying a
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: handgun number one he's gonna get shot by the cops
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: number two at this point with school shootings you just
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: don't lightly throw that into anything anymore so i'm just
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: like it's so funny to look at like That stuff
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: didn't even occur to people back then. It was such
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: a different world in not that long of a time span.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Was that pre-PG-13? I can't remember when that came out.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I think it's right about that time, but I don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: think it was. I think it's still just PG. Because, yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: it's like 85 when they kick in like Red Dawn. Because, yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: it was like Gremlins and Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Where the PGs that people went, whoa, whoa, whoa, what
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: are you doing? You can't do that on a PG. Right,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: and there was straight up nudity in Airplane, which was PG. Yeah, well, again,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: there was a weird thing where you could get away
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: with stuff before there was another setting. I mean, yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: it wasn't really sexual. I mean, it was just a lady,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: a random topless.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It's just random nudity again.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: You can get away with a set amount of stuff.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Even to me, the PG-13 rule of you can say
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: a certain F word, but only once.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The best joke pertaining to that was in the Get
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Shorty sequel. Do you remember this?
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Be Cool? No.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: He's talking about his experiences with movie production from the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: first film. He's just giving somebody a rundown and kind
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of talking about not being in anymore. And he's like, yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and you can only get away with seeing... I can't
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: remember the exact line, but it's basically like, you can
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: only get away with seeing the effort once in a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: PG-13 movie. You know what I say?
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: Fuck that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: And it's a Be Cool with PG-13, and that's the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: only time it's... That's the one.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was pretty brilliant.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: It is fun to find the way that they use
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: them now that it's become a game.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Like, it is, like, it's a little strategy as to, like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: how do we find a clever way to use this? So, yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: it's pretty fun. But, yeah, Cloak and Dagger, it's a
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: little more of, like, a mixture of a couple of different,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: it's sort of a traditional spy kind of a movie
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: of that type. And at the same time, a total, like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: 80s sort of kids movie, back when you would call
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: it a kids movie. Now no one would call most
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: of the kids' movies kids' movies anymore, but like an
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: 80s kids' movie mixed with a weird spy heist sort
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: of a, I don't know. Again, it's a weird plot
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: once you get into it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised that one hasn't been remade as much
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: as the 80s remakes are in vogue.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, it is one of those, it is
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: amazing how well that, I mean, Henry Thomas was a
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: great actor like you don't think about it but like
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: he made so many in that span where he was
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: still really young it's like the et and the quest
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: and this were like jammed in a couple of years
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: for him because he's still kind of a little kid
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: in this movie so i'm.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Like i love that 80s computer story yeah oh.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah well i'm looking at it going i guess it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: because it's sort of like there's sort of like dnd
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: books over there i'm like it's just sort of a
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: hobby nerd store before they had those really it's the
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: something to do but it's like an indie version of
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: it like So, yeah, it was like computer games and
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: role-playing games weren't really in the same store that I
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: remember back in the day. But, like, this is a
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: nice little fictional world where this poor guy.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: No spoilers. I want to open up an identical store
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for that. I think you should.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Now it would probably work. There's so many geeks out
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: there now. Like, geek culture is so embraced, you could
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: totally make that work now. I want it to be
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: identical to that one.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Same stuff and everything. Hopefully things will work out for you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Anyway, if you're the guy running it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, and it is certainly a feature for Dabney Coleman.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: He's pretty, like, it is one of those that sort
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: of showcases what he does best.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Gives him kind of a cool little action thing that
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: he didn't always get. Like, he was usually just, like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: the responsible grown-up in every movie. He's just, he's a guy, again,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: he's the businessman, or he's a cop, or he's a fireman, or, like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: he's always got some, like, responsible position.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Did you watch Slap Maxwell, though?
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I did. Again, have not revisited it since the day.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Such a good show. But yeah, I remembered it being
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: a pretty impressive.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a sports writer on that one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: Pretty impressive.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a good show. I think that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: was my first exposure to him. But yeah, he's a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: great actor. Definitely looking forward to hear him talking tonight.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I think we should take our break here and go
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: see Dabney Coleman right now.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: John, I'll share this with you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: No one's ever asked me about this. What was it
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: about Harry Dean?
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Well, there were a million things about Harry Dean, but
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: to me, for some reason, whatever you thought of him,
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: his acting, whatever, but I never heard anybody criticize his acting.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Ever.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Not ever.
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: There was something about Harry Dean that made you want
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: his approval. There was something, because having known him, he's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: Not that smart, he's not a guru, but.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Somehow everyone's first impression, including mine, was There's something in
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: there that I want approval from. From which or whom
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: I want approval. Did you feel that in the game?
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: You haven't said yes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: Anyway, there was something there.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And it was.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: And the better you got to know him, the more
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: you realized your instinct was right. There was something about him.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: There's something comforting about him. Very loving, very.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Kind about him.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: One of the most sensitive people I've ever known in
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: my life. And it was the real deal.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: And it showed.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: It showed in every moment he has on the film.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Every moment.
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• 31:35
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  Speaker 11: Con el tiempo y un ganchito, va de resecarse el mar.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Con el tiempo, con el tiempo.
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  Speaker 4: De vitrios de enamorar.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Porque el tiempo es buen amigo, buen amigo de verdad.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Porque cobra y porque paga, porque paga y porque cobra,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: porque quita y porque da.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome you as as our guest and uh i'll say
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: welcome drago and i'll let you actually pronounce your name
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: because that's become an ongoing thing with this show is
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: me butchering people's names so give us the proper pronunciation.
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: The proper pronunciation well uh it would be drago shumanya
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: nice but i don't have that at all it sounds
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: really lame it comes off a little pretentious sometimes like
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: saying it that way so anyhow the uh american pronunciation
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: Is Drago Samanja.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Well, and then that became my other question because, like,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: when I first heard that, like, maybe back lucky. At
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: some point, I also assumed you weren't from here, Illinois.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Is that the case?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: I'm first generation born here.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: That's why I was like, how do you get that
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: name in Illinois?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: Not a very common American name. No. I was born
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: in Illinois. I was born in Waukegan, actually.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: Uh, and then I grew up in San, we moved
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: to San Diego. I grew up there, uh, for the
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: most part, and then, uh, moved to Los Angeles in
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: 96 for college.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: And that, that's kind of, again, especially like what I'd
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: seen of your, your work and like, also because it
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: kind of jumps into different areas. I kind of, with everybody,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: I always sort of start from the beginning and say,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: what were you drawn to early on? Was it, was
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: it always film or did you? get more into acting,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: like on stage in school? Or what sort of section
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: of the arts lured you in first?
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: I think it's that cliche story about when.
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: I went to the movies as a kid. Dad took
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: me to the movies. And then I just... I guess
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: I found myself... When I come home, I find myself
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: reenacting scenes from that. And I know that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I knew.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: I guess somewhere in my, somewhere in there, I, I
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: gravitated toward the acting part of that, uh, of the
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: acting element of, of, of movies, but never as towards like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: I want to make a movie or just the acting.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Uh, was it registering to you that that's specifically what
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: you were doing or you were just sort of mimicking
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: it because of your, like, attachment to what you just
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: seen i.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: Think it's that i think it's just the attachment to
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: what i just seen because.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I think kids kind of do that in general yeah
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the mimicking thing is just ingrained in you that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: Young yeah you know i i've heard this said before
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: but it's uh and like the greatest actors are kids
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: you know because when they're playing cops and robbers you
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: know they're not thinking about well what will my character
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: be if you know they just sort of and and
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: the kids that when they say talent i think those
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: are the It's even in the documentary, the character documentary.
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: Mark Rydell even touched upon it as kids who know
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: how to– who like behavior. And that's where the talent is.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: So I think– anyway, in a long about round of
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: way to answer your question, I think that there was
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: something there about acting when I was watching movies. I
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: really didn't know what it was. And then up until later,
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: up until I did, I took drama all four years
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: in high school, but I only did a couple of plays,
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: like student-written plays my junior and senior year, but I wasn't, like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: I was very shy. And then I found out that
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: you could actually go to a conservatory and get a
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: degree in theater, and so then I went to CalArts,
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: where I got my degree.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Was that like a light of like, oh, this is
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: something I can't, you know, again, because sometimes I think
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: with kids it's like, You don't even realize that's a
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: thing you can do, especially when you watch your parents
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: go to like a regular job. And then suddenly you're like, oh, wait,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: this can actually be like a life for you. Maybe
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: if you're lucky.
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, it's something I still don't think I can do.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: That's always my.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Favorite when people have a very like because there's. Somebody
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: recently I talked to and they'd been in the business
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: for like 40 years or so. And I'm like, so,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: you know, one of those, like, when did you feel
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: like you made it moments? They're like, I don't think
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I've gotten there yet. And I feel like it for
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: a lot of people, it really is that it's such
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: a working industry that like everything is your next job.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Everything is, am I going to make enough on this
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: deal to be able to finance my next thing that
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I want to do? And like everything just sort of is,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: so spinning plates. Yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Like, it really.
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: So, again, as you got into, whether it came from
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: the schooling or not, it did make me kind of wonder, like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: as you ended up going into the industry, did you
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: have a set? Because now you've gone into directing and
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: you've gone into producing. Was all of that part of
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: the plan or was it just, how focused were you
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: coming into the business that you were like, I want
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: to be an actor and these other things came along
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: or did you really just kind of want to hit
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Anything that you were interested in.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: The writing, the directing, the producing, everything but acting was
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: just by, not by luck, but it was just by necessity. Meaning,
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: you know, nothing, when I say nothing, I mean, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: I wasn't making a living as an actor. And then
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: over some years, I started to think about, well, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: especially in this day and age, you know, it's not
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: enough anymore just to be an actor. there are people
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: that just make living as an actress and i i
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: wish i was one of those people but i'm not
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: and um so i had found ways i was fine
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: trying to find ways of how to create something else
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: and you know and so the the first venture into
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: that was with character the documentary yeah um uh so
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: just by necessity really you know by that's the word
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: but um And then found out I had some sort
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: of a knack for it. And I found that I
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: actually enjoyed it as much as I did acting. But
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: funny enough, even with the character documentary, even this last year,
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: the Lucky movie, you know, it always stemmed from acting.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: So everything always came from that point, you know.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Well, that was, yeah, because I hadn't seen character until tonight.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: So it was interesting because I wasn't sure what your
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: approach was going to be. And so it was going to,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: as I start hearing this voice come from behind the camera,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, that's not you. So how much of
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: it was just sort of like melding with Dabney and
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: like Dabney Coleman becomes sort of the interviewer throughout the thing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So did you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: have any questions that you were like hey ask him
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: this or was it just let's let Dabney run with
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: it and I'm going to make sure everything's in frame
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: and how much what was the balance I guess between
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: the two of.
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: You it was a lot of that actually it was
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: mainly like you know Dabney you just run with it
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: and I'm just going to try to catch it And, yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: in every of those interviews, you know, there was always
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: a question or two that I would think of that
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: would try to sneak in. Can we ask? Or I
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: would just ask directly. But, you know, in the editing,
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: you sort of make it seem that Dabney's the one. So, yeah,
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: but for the most part, it was … You know, man,
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: it was like jazz, really. Just sort of like, let's see.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: We'll just turn it on. Let's see what happens. There
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: was no lighting set up. I just made sure that
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: the sound was running and that the cameras had tape.
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: And then whatever we had, we had.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Had you shot anything documentary, like short films or anything?
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Everything was just thrown at you?
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: I never held a camera. Never held a camera, nor
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: did I edit anything prior to that. And In the
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: course of the editing, during that time, I was very
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: hard on myself because I thought, well, that was such
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: a horrible composition. That was terrible. The sound popped or this.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: And then now I appreciate it because now that I
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: watch it, like tonight, I saw it. It turned out
• 41:05
  Speaker 9: to be exactly, sound pompous, but it turned out to
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: be what I wanted to be. That energy, that raw energy.
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: as maybe i'm not a musician but as i was
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: as i would think you know it wasn't it was
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: it was like you go and there's a band you
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: just lay down the song as opposed to like let's
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: go and lay the drums down then we'll go and
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: this was just very sort of loose and i like
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: that that that energy that yeah it comes across.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: You can do it either way but that's that's an
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: approach and I think it's where I kind of landed
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: on this. It's become a balancing act because it's the
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: same thing of like, number one, am I wandering around
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: here trying to find somewhere with good sound? Yeah, because
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I don't want it to be unlistenable. But at the
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: same time, there are times where I don't usually do
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: it over Skype. I do like that we're in the
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: middle of an event. So I do like having some
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: sort of spirit of what's going on and being immersed
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: in what's going on. And even sometimes we have really
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: weird headshots good or bad accidents sometimes literally we've had
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: someone getting like nailed with an opening door in the
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: middle of us talking so it's like there are moments
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: that are like i'm not that that's a good part
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: of it but like it is like you are knee
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: deep in the middle of what's going on and like
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: i think that's where your your film lands too is
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: like you really do get that feel of like dabney
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: is just sort of wandering around this theater and like
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: you get the feel of like if that camera wasn't there,
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: he would still be touring people around going, this is
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: where I used to stand. And this is what I like,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: especially in his scenes, there's so much energy to an
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: emotion as he gets into it, that like, you really
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: do kind of like feel like you're immersed in, in
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: what's going on in that very moment. And that's, it
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: works for that specifically that, that mood that you're putting together.
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: And, and like in like your podcast, you know, as
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: far as the documentary, as well as the doc, the
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: documentary and your podcast is, Is only as good as
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: your subject.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: And the six guys in that are– each one could
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: have their own documentary, arguably.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: You've got a great lineup.
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: And if you've got a boring guest on a podcast
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: that wants to give you yes, no.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Which I run into.
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: Which you run into.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: It could be– But again, then it becomes you trying
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: to like, okay, what do I do with this? And
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: it is, it's like learning on the job. Like you
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: get in and you're like, what do I do now?
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: So like.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: It's how you readjust.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: Like this happy accident where I just poured a dirty
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: martini all over my pants.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: See, they don't know that. But now, you know, luckily
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: I haven't moved to video because that's way more trouble
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: than I want to deal with.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, that is something, again, you've got a great
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: lineup of people. If you haven't seen it, definitely seek
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: out the movie. But that's something I was wondering watching this,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: because you shot it many years ago. A lot of
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: those guys are gone. How different is it to watch
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: it now, knowing that two... I'm trying to remember. It's
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: almost all of your main focus is... more than half
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: at least are gone.
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: So that's exactly half exactly out of the six three
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: are have passed.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah in just the span of what eight years or
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: something like that eight nine years that's crazy so i
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: mean i guess it's got to be sort of bittersweet
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: watching it you know now yeah because you did i'm
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: assuming you know had some specific moments there with them
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: and I mean, everybody's amazing, but I can always just
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: sit and watch Sidney Pollack talk. I mean, as much
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: as I love him as a director, I love when
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: he's just on the other side, when he's just a
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: character in the film. It's some of the, and, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: works in both. He can be so good at dramatic
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: and yet you watch him in like Tootsie and like, what,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, why, why should he be able to do
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: that that well? But you're watching this and you're like, oh, it's,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: years of training as an actor before he ever picked
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: up a camera.
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: Just to hear him talk, just even, I'll shoot the act,
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: his acting, just to hear him explain something about a
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: subject is just, it's like a master class and he's
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: just such a, anyway.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I'm fascinated by that because that is, you
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: get so many people that just have a different take
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: on the industry or the arts or any of it
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and so there's some that just are kind of flippant
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: about it and so when you find somebody that not
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: only gets that it's an art form but gets that
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: they're kind of lucky to be doing it and they
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: they appreciate the art that it is and the craft
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: that they've sort of created over the years and like
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: you all of that is just sort of interwoven in
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: his stories of like their war stories from the trenches
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: but at the same time there's such respect for what
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: it is that he does and yeah i i Yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: his scenes are always kind of amazing. Even just documentary,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I can watch him talk all day.
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: And then, I guess, Dabney. What has it been like
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: working with him and then kind of revisiting it, coming
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: into it this weekend, years later? He's definitely a character.
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I feel like.
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: That part in the documentary when Mark Rydell says that,
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: talks about the teachers that they had and that he says,
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: you know, we were the reluctant beneficiaries of all those
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: great teachers. And I, I, I feel like that, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: although not as reluctant, I just feel really privileged and
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: grateful that, you know, I grew up in San Diego.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: None of my folks were in the business. I didn't
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: know any of these people. I remember being in the,
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: I think it was the fourth grade. I could be wrong,
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: third or fourth grade. And it was like a rainy
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: day assembly. And so on rainy days, they would keep
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: you in the classroom and it would be like a
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: movie day. And one day we watched, on a rainy day,
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: we watched Cloak and Dagger.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: I brought that up earlier, actually. As I was talking
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: to Les.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: There was Cloak and Dagger, and there was Dabney, that character,
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: you know. And then jump years later, and here we
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: are in Lexington, Kentucky, in the Kentucky theater. Like, it's
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: such a crazy, you know.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: It's kind of surreal moments. I've done the same thing. Like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: there are people that I just grew up idolizing, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: then I'm having a somewhat normal conversation. And it's like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I I probably should be more freaked out than I am,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: but I've tried to just sort of put that aside
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: and not be weird fanboy about it and just kind
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: of be like, there's still, you know, people and like,
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: you still can kind of relate. And again, usually if
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: you put that aside, they relate to people better anyway.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Like the less weird you are about the fandom aspect
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: of it is like the, the more people kind of
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: relax and have a normal conversation and probably relationship, the
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: more you're around them.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: So. Harry Dean had this story about Marlon Brando. And
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: he said that Marlon Brando one day had asked him,
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: he said, you know, Harry, are you my friend because
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: I'm Marlon Brando or are you just my friend? And
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: Harry responded, well, at first it was because you're Marlon Brando,
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: but now I just don't give a shit. which is kind.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Of like a response that fits almost anything from harry
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: dean like that became like his life as time went
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: on but but not even like again it's just very
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: genuine it is who harry dean was and especially who
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: he became like that just compounded it seemed over the
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: years like i feel like he might not have been
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: quite that early on but like by the time you
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: reach him like Years later, it's like he just is
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: not worried about anything else. And so that, I mean,
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: that is where I was, I mean, we're we're in
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: the middle of parody and Stanton fest. So I, that's
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: the other aspect I guess we need to go into
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: is what some people may have heard the story, I guess.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: How did you initially run into Harry Dean and what
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: led to all of what, what later became lucky?
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: I suppose. I met Harry Dean for the first time.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: And if it, if it was either December of 99
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: or January of 2000, somewhere in that, that uh transition
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: to the new year anyway i met harry at uh
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: dan tana's restaurant um seemed to.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Be the place to meet him yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: Uh dabney and harry were friends and dabney and harry
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: both frequented the restaurant many times so i befriended dabney
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: first and then at some point there after I, I, uh,
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: Harry had walked in and, um, sat down obviously at
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: the table with Dabney and that, that, that's who introduced
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: me to Harry. It was, was Dabney. Um, and I
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: was friendly with Harry, but I never really knew Harry,
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: you know, I never really, I was, uh, I.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Feel like that's just Harry, you know, it's like watching
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: all these documentaries and what little time I saw him
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: in the Kentucky that one time I came in contact
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: with him. It's like, I still feel like there's always
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: kind of an aspect about Harry that even for people
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: who knew him forever, you feel like they're still part
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: of him and you never really knew.
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: And anytime I, you know, it's when I think about
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: it now, I think anytime that I was ever in a,
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: in a position to sort of be alone with Harry
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: in a capacity of like, you know, visiting him or
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: sitting somewhere like this, I was always intimidated and, I
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: was always nervous because Harry wasn't much of a guy
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: for small talk. And I know that he hated the
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: question if you were to ask him, hey, how are
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: you doing?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: That'd be his. So I never knew what to, I
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: was always on eggshells. I really wouldn't know what to
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: ask him because I didn't want to, I just didn't
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: want to make small talk because I knew he didn't.
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: So you would just, I would find myself sitting in
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: silence and be like, okay, well, I got to.
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: Go, you know?
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's, again, why I ended up with this.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I have no use for small talk. It goes horribly.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: But if we can immerse ourselves in real questions, it
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: seems functional. But I am completely dysfunctional in normal scenarios
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: and normal human interaction. I'll have none of that. But, like, yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: if we can talk about something bigger, like, you know, art, or, like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: you know, our lives, like, somehow that is, like, worth
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: conversing to me, where I feel like so much small
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: talk and so much general goings-on with people, it just,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: I could care less. I guess I feel a little
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: bit like Harry in my misguided worldview that Harry seemed
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: to have, but. So the other, yeah, the other thing
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: is then how did that lead to Lucky? And I
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: will point out for those of you that weren't there
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: afterwards during the Q & A portion, I'm pretty sure
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: that lady really was kind of convinced that Lucky was
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: just a documentary on Harry, which is to your, you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: to your credit that it's that impressively put together and
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: it's that much of a mirror to what was Harry
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: Dean Stanton. But yeah, I mean it, you, you guys
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: took sort of a version of his life and gave
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: it a little fictional spin, but it, it pretty much
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: was Harry Dean Stanton.
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: So pretty much.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: How to, again, you, you, I guess the, the co-writer
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: was his assistant, right?
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And how did you, did you know him because
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: you met Harry Dean?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: Logan Sparks is the co-writer and he and I met
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: one another, uh, dantanas when logan started working for harry
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: uh and that's how i met logan and then uh
• 53:29
  Speaker 9: the dynamic of our sort of uh relationship with one
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: another was that was always dantanas you know come in
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: hey how you doing blah blah um and then we
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: had run in we i just i went to see
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: him uh one day and We started talking about, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: certain projects that we were interested in doing. And I just,
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: I said, you know, if I were you, I'd write
• 53:56
  Speaker 9: something for Harry, a vehicle for Harry, like as like
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: a lead role or something kind of very small, low budget,
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: something really kind of simple, easy to do, wouldn't take
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: too much time. And we threw some ideas back and
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: forth together. and came up with this and, um, you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 9: and yeah, as the, as the, the lady had asked them,
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: is it documentary? It's something, is it a documentary lucky? And, uh, it,
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: when she asked that, I thought of, uh, I remember
• 54:31
  Speaker 9: Billy Bob Thornton, uh, there was an interview of Billy
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: Bob Thornton and somebody had, uh, I don't know, they
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: were talking about like, uh, Southern actors, uh, And somehow
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: the movie, in that conversation, the movie Deliverance came up.
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: And I remember Billy Bob Thornton saying, yeah, to most
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: people that Deliverance is a picture, but to some of
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: us here in the South, we consider that a documentary.
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: But it's a compliment. I think it's a compliment that
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: she had said that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: It made me think, again, I hardly ever hear this,
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: but the docudrama.
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: Is one of those that, like, it kind of blurs
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: that line, which is what she seemed a little confused by. But, like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: it really does take elements of the real world and
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: yet fictionalize things. So I've seen really bad versions of it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: But this is almost like, if you're going to do it,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: this is the right way to go about it. To
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: create a character that's so close to the person that
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: you're doing that, like, all he has to do is
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: show up. You know, it's like.
• 55:37
  Speaker 9: And Harry has been, you know, was... for as well
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: as many people know him, was very much about playing myself,
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: Harry Dean Stanton. And that's just, okay, well, you ask
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: and you shall receive. And I'm flattered by that. And
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: I think, and to our credit, there was nothing improvised. Yes,
• 56:05
  Speaker 9: a lot of the text was, were things that Logan
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: and I had written down that, that he'd said, um,
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: but there are a lot of scenarios and things that
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: we had witnessed either at the antennas or in passing
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: or in conference. And so we just try to figure
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: how to make that kind of interesting in, in, in
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: a script. And, you know, I think everybody in particularly
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: John Carroll Lynch, who, who came aboard for, Hey, for,
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: you know, for a first time director.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, It looks amazing.
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: Understood it and put it together. And Tim Surstadt, who
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: shot the picture. And to everybody, Iris Stephen Bear, the producer,
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: and Richard Kahn. It's just, it goes on and on.
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: And so it's, as they say, I guess, you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: it takes a village.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Or are you on set during a good portion
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: of the shooting?
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: The whole thing.
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: And again, I can't not mention him. I think I
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: have every time I mention Lucky. of another director I
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: love seeing on the other side of the camera, David
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: Lynch is amazing as, as whatever that is. It's not
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: himself really, but it kind of is because everything he's
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: ever played in front of the camera is a weird
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: version of that, but yet it's kind of different in
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: each incarnation. So again, how much of that did you write?
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: And was it all based on weird things that David
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Lynch had said in hanging out with Harry Dean?
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: No, that was, that was actually all, That was all us.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: It was Logan. Logan was really great with sort of
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: going off on these really kind of magical monologues, just
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: would kind of go with it. And I would just
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: start typing, you know, and I would at some points
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: be like, no, stop, stop, stop there.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Go back.
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: Say that again. And then so I would edit a
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: little bit as I was writing. We just kind of
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: played the parts, really. Yeah. You know, we take turns
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: pretending that we were Harry or pretending to... Because we
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: were writing for... We thought, you know, well, we'll try
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: to get David Lynch or we'll try to get such
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: and such or Begley. And so we'll just sort of...
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: We'll just pretend that we're them.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: You know their voice.
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: And write in that sort of rhythm.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: And luckily it all worked out. So that's why I
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: think it seems some people think that it's improvised. But it's... No,
• 58:30
  Speaker 9: it's all.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: As Harry says, it is written.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, to me, the tortoise, it makes it... Like, again,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: if you could, and if you haven't seen it, for
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: the love of God, go for the tortoise alone, for
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: the tie-in that puts it all together. And that through
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: line and that, again, the mirror image that we get
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: there and the way that David Lynch presents it is
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: so heartfelt. Like, it's amazing, but yeah... Even better. I mean,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: that's the part I knew had to be written because
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: it's so perfectly pieced together.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: And, you know, to David Lynch's credit, you know, he
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: showed up not as a director. He showed up as
• 59:10
  Speaker 9: an actor ready to work, memorized, and he was all
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: about it. He was 100% in, and I'm just flattered
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: and grateful. And, I mean, what do you say? There's
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: David Lynch sitting on a set with Harry Dean Stanton,
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: John Carroll Lynch directing, you know. ron livingston uh.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: It's just um again a little overwhelming it's crazy you
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: can never imagine this would have happened you know and.
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: James darren yeah you know i mean it's there's uh
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: beth grant um everybody everybody involved i can't you know well.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: Again based on that and dabney tonight told us they're
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: they're big things to come from you so do you
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: have new things are there many projects working is there
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: anything you can actually divulge that you're at least working
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: on bed well sleep outside of tonight or is that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: a long term because some people just that becomes their
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: life i.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: Don't know man you know that's a question that i
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: that people ask all the time and i think the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: the the perception that people have is that oh, you
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: made a movie and therefore you must be doing fine,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: you know? Again, I think.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: I've learned just from stories that, again, the plates are
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: always spinning.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah. And so you obviously have to actively engage
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: and have to want to, okay, push forward and move
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: on to the next thing. I just don't work that way,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: you know?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: Sometimes I wish I was the guy that had 10
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: scripts or, you know, of different genres and a superhero movie,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: a horror flick, you know, what have you. I'm just
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: not that person. But I have a hundred ideas, you know.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: And I just, I feel like for me, the way
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: that I like to work is, Even with just the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 9: two projects, the character and Now Lucky, they will come from.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: They will just organically come when they want to come. Sure,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: I'd like to be working all the time. And I guess, yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: I could be more proactive and I could sit down
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: and I could write or I could think. But I just...
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: I'm just.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: I don't work that way. My mind isn't sort of.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Are you leaning more towards the writing directing aspect versus
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: like going out and looking for acting jobs?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm always looking for acting jobs. I guess you're
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: always looking for that, you know, always auditioning actively and,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: but yeah, you know, I'm writing, I'm writing. And I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: think that the next thing that I do, I feel
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 9: like it's something that I'd like to direct, you know,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: something that I've written and something that I've directed, you know? Um,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: What that is, I don't really know. I kind of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: have some ideas here. I don't consider myself a writer.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: I know people and friends of mine will roll their
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: eyes right now if they're listening to this. I'm a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: guy who wrote something. Come talk to me in five
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 9: years when I've written a handful of things, then maybe
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: I can consider myself a writer. I'm just I'm just...
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: I'm just kind of going with the flow. Take it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: as it comes. Just take it as it comes.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 9: And if a project feels right, whether it be a documentary,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: a reality show, a web series, a movie, then that'll
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 9: be the next thing. But I don't know. You know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: I can talk to you about subjects that interest me,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: but in what form those will.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 9: I have no idea. You know, I just don't know.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: Right now, I just feel happy with... Where I am
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: at the moment creatively, obviously some days you wake up
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: worse than others because you're in a creative rut or
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: you feel like, oh, I should be doing more, but
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: now I'm just rambling.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Well, obviously you have big things because Dabney Coleman said
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: you can't argue with Dabney.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: Well, if Dabney Coleman says there are big things coming
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: for me, then from his lips to God's ears, I'm
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: grateful to him and for coming out here and to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: the festival. And this is a wonderful thing that you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: guys have here. And, um, I was just fortunate enough
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: and to, to, to go to visit Harry today at
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 9: his final resting place. And that was very moving and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: it's such a beautiful thing. And, um, but I, I, uh,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: I don't know where I was going with that thought.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: I'm just really grateful, you know. I'm just really grateful
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: for the opportunities that I've had so far.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, it's come together amazing on your end. And, yeah,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: I'm certainly looking forward to seeing where you're going, wherever
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: direction that day. But, yeah, thank you for coming here
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: and being part of this as well.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, brother, thank you very much.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: And for sitting down and talking with me.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 12: I wrote this song a bunch of years ago in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 12: tribute to Harry, not long after meeting him and tripping
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 12: around town together.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: And it'll go like this.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: Hands full of habits Singing in Spanish.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: And mischief in mind And.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 12: Keeping the beat With humble.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Feet, he's the man in the moonshine.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: Roll, roll your boat. Life is a show without reason
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 12: or rhyme. What were you before, before you were born?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: The man in the moonshine.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: Tolerant, detached, and amused He's the star of the bar
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: The dean of the scene.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: Your friend and mine He's the man in the.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: Moonshine roasts and toasts and.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Old dirty jokes.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: Now it's closing time but no one's.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 12: In charge so blow that old heart.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: For the man in the.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 12: One for the ditch and one for the itch.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, Danny, boy, it'd be fine.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: And a perfect Manhattan for Harry Dean Stanton, the man.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: In the moonshine.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 10: Tolerant, detached, and amused. he's the star of the bar
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 10: the dean of the scene.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 12: Your friend and mine he's the man.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: In the moonshine.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 12: Yes strike up the band for that old repo man
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 12: the man.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: In the moonshine.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: From Paris to Texas, Kentucky to the marquee, the man
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: in the morn shines.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: Love you, HD. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
• 1:07:51
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• 1:07:52
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• 1:07:55
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• 1:07:56
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• 1:08:19
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