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The Late Debate | 15 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 2: Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with the Nika, the Georgio
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  Speaker 2: and the brilliant Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, Joe, I'm great, Thank you, James, brilliant
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  Speaker 3: as always, and thank you finally giving me the respect
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  Speaker 3: I deserve. You get Joseph only when I'm in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you to have called each other brilliant
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  Speaker 4: to start the show.
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  Speaker 3: It's really cover paddle down.
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  Speaker 4: I'm okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a given that you're brilliant, Deneak. I
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  Speaker 2: had to point it out with Joe, but I want
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  Speaker 2: to go. I want to I expected you to point
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  Speaker 2: it out. James, come on, pronounce that.
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  Speaker 3: You are brilliant. You've got you don't need us to
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  Speaker 3: tell you're brilliant. You've got your podcast. Eight billion followers's.
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  Speaker 1: Reporting in The Australian.
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  Speaker 3: Truth in The Australian on Monday, can asking how my
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  Speaker 3: podcast going.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on with young people in the West.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Greta Punberg in Germany calling for an Interofada
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  Speaker 2: against Jews, while Australian UNI students are in Poland filming TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Dancers at Auschwitz. Will get into that shortly.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, Brits have been told to stock up on food
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  Speaker 2: in preparation for war, while here in Australia we're behaving
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  Speaker 2: as if peace is just another entitlement.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a chance we might be victims not.
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  Speaker 2: Of the fog of war but of the fog of peace?
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  Speaker 2: And a truck driver loses his job after one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of ice cream melted on his watch?
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  Speaker 2: Was it an innocent mistake of the world's most expensive
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  Speaker 2: brain freeze? We get to all of that shortly, But
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  Speaker 2: first the Elbinezy government.
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  Speaker 1: What have you believe?
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  Speaker 2: They're bending over backwards to help young Australians get into
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  Speaker 2: their first homes. The problem is they're also bending over
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  Speaker 2: backwards to help foreigners compete for those exact same dwellings.
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  Speaker 2: Help listen to this government ad promoting the taxpayer backed
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  Speaker 2: five percent deposit scheme In Mandarin.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: I'll thrive by the Australian gum and Canberra. You someting
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  Speaker 5: to say, yeah, it doesn't for you. Humble isokin football
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  Speaker 5: And if.
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  Speaker 2: You believe it, there's a similar ad spooking the five
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  Speaker 2: percent deposit scheme in Arabic. So help me understand how
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  Speaker 2: promoting a taxpayer backed home ownership scheme to foreigners in
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  Speaker 2: foreign languages helps young ossies because Denika, it's all Greek
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 4: We may as well be Italian while we're at it, James,
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  Speaker 4: every single in a language. Well, don't forget though, that
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  Speaker 4: there's fifty one thousand non citizens who've been able to
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  Speaker 4: access that five to five percent deposit scheme. So I mean,
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  Speaker 4: and I've said this before, I don't think that any
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  Speaker 4: non citizen should be able to have any access to
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  Speaker 4: it because we don't. We can't even get every day
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  Speaker 4: ossies into homes as it is. What sort of a
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  Speaker 4: message is this sending out? We already have a record
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  Speaker 4: migration problem in this country. We can't get ossies into homes.
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  Speaker 4: You've got. Labour has not achieved not one of its
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  Speaker 4: housing targets under its own National accord to make one
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  Speaker 4: point two million homes by the end of this decade,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be pushed out into the twenty thirties.
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  Speaker 4: Now in the budget papers, supply is going to be
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  Speaker 4: down about thirty three thousand homes and terrific and now
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  Speaker 4: we've got ads in a completely different language. What benefit
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  Speaker 4: does that do to any of us? And don't forget
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  Speaker 4: on top of that, we've got the taxes that were
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  Speaker 4: just imposed in the budget as well, So really doing
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  Speaker 4: such a terrific job of when it comes to homes
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  Speaker 4: and home ownership in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Don't look at me, I might sit this one out. No, please,
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  Speaker 3: it is very it is It is difficult to say.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously this scheme is not just for Australian citizens.
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  Speaker 3: It's also for permanent residents, but it is for first
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  Speaker 3: home buyers. And you would think that the younger people
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  Speaker 3: who are in Australia would be the most likely to
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  Speaker 3: be able to speak English and should not need this.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it creates a perception, rightly or not,
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  Speaker 3: that you know that that there are you know, there
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  Speaker 3: are people who are coming here and you know, taking
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  Speaker 3: tax payer funds off ordinary hardworking young assies. And that
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  Speaker 3: is certainly how one nation will will sell this and
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  Speaker 3: present this and they will get you know, they will
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  Speaker 3: keep getting support as long as it is perceived that,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's right or wrong. And I'd be interested to
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  Speaker 3: see how many. I mean, buying a house is hard
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  Speaker 3: enough as it is, I don't know how many would
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  Speaker 3: be able to do it without speaking English. So again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why these ads have been made. I
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  Speaker 3: think they send a very silly message. Maybe they just
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  Speaker 3: slapped a bit of AI on it and said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and just put it in this language. But it certainly
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  Speaker 3: if the government is trying to say no, you know,
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  Speaker 3: permanent residents refusing to become citizens or people over here,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way they're taking Australia housing from hard working
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  Speaker 3: ozzies in the middle of a housing crisis. If that
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  Speaker 3: is the message that you want to send, and I
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  Speaker 3: would imagine it's pretty central, bloody message for a government
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  Speaker 3: that has just put everything on the line in terms
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  Speaker 3: of getting more young people into housing. To have ads
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  Speaker 3: in foreign languages like this in the middle of a
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  Speaker 3: surge of one nation and Australian's feeling that they're missing
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  Speaker 3: out and disenfranchised.
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  Speaker 2: I well, I mean, you said one nation will sell
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  Speaker 2: this a particular way. I don't think one nation will
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  Speaker 2: have to sell this at all.
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  Speaker 3: It's the line right themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you learn about priorities when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the way people spend their money, and in this instance,
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  Speaker 2: the way they advertise so for the government to use
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded money not just for Australian citizens but for
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  Speaker 2: permanent residents who are not Australian citizens and then advertised
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  Speaker 2: to that end shows you where the government priorities are
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  Speaker 2: and they certainly not with young Australians. And the other thing,
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  Speaker 2: of course it shows is how tone deaf this government.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's up in arms about immigration and then they're putting
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  Speaker 2: and the connection between immigration and housing correct, and then
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  Speaker 2: they advertise to help foreigners in foreign languages by home.
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  Speaker 4: But you can see because when where they're where they're
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  Speaker 4: pandering to because they want the vote, right, But Labor
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  Speaker 4: has always pandered to migrants. What do you think that
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  Speaker 4: we have got an excessive and ridiculous amount of migrants
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  Speaker 4: that have come into this country, but one point two
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  Speaker 4: millions since Labor was first elected. Because migrants are typically
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  Speaker 4: going to vote for the government of the day because
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  Speaker 4: they've gone and let them in, Why do you think
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  Speaker 4: Tony Burke went on that big citizenship tour before the
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  Speaker 4: last election where every man and their dog got a
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  Speaker 4: citizenship because they wanted to secure.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you wanted everyone to become citizens.
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  Speaker 4: No, because we've got enough citizens as it is, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: We're absolutely overblown.
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  Speaker 3: Residents had to become citizens before they have a change
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  Speaker 3: schemes like these.
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  Speaker 4: But we want to say as well about about in general.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and this is another topic though, but what
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  Speaker 4: does it say about broader assimilation in this country where
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  Speaker 4: to buy a home, you've got to be able to
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  Speaker 4: understand it not in the language of the country that
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  Speaker 4: you live in. You've got to put it into Chinese or.
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  Speaker 3: Into That's why that's why I find this ad so
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  Speaker 3: utterly perplexing. To be honest, if I would almost say,
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  Speaker 3: I assume it's been put to the government and they
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  Speaker 3: would have called it out by now, But I would
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  Speaker 3: almost say it was a hoax. You know, if I
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  Speaker 3: saw it in an election, I'd say, right, this is
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  Speaker 3: something that the coalition or one nation has put out
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  Speaker 3: to make it look like it's from the government, because
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  Speaker 3: it would be you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the Pharaoh by election, and you remember I
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  Speaker 2: forget whether it was the I think it was the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: Can it was the Greens had core flutes entirely in
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  Speaker 2: foreign language. Yes, I remember seeing that online and thinking
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  Speaker 2: is that real? And I'd triple check that because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't think that a political party would go that far.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: But with the government doing this, You're right, your first
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  Speaker 2: instinct is that can't be fair.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nice try coalition dirt unit. Yeah it really is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, another fail for labor and just another fail
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  Speaker 4: really if you are trying to enter the housing market
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  Speaker 4: in this country, which has become increasingly difficult. Look, let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism once again
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  Speaker 4: this week. It has heard absolutely horrendous testimony. But I've
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  Speaker 4: got to say that this was quite truly shocking. A
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  Speaker 4: university graduate from University detailed how she went on a
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  Speaker 4: university trip in twenty twenty four with a cohort. They
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  Speaker 4: went to the Netherlands, Germany and the Czech Republic and
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  Speaker 4: on one of the visits they went to Auschwitz, and
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  Speaker 4: she detailed how her fellow students thought it would be
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  Speaker 4: fun to go to Auschwitz and do dances for TikTok
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  Speaker 4: in the car.
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  Speaker 6: Park, and we every single day were visiting camps and
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  Speaker 6: ghettos and memorials, and people were filming TikTok dancers in
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  Speaker 6: the car parks of Auschwitz and concentration camps. People complained
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  Speaker 6: about having to go to visit camps and ghettos where
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  Speaker 6: people were mass slaughtered because it was too early in
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  Speaker 6: the morning and they were still hungover from the night before,
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  Speaker 6: and they didn't really want to have to go. They
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  Speaker 6: were just there for their eurosummer.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're at Auschwitz where horrific, horrific crimes were committed,
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  Speaker 4: and they're more intro rested in the latest and dancing
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  Speaker 4: for TikTok trends, filming themselves and taking absolutely no interest
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  Speaker 4: in the history. And Okay, well, we were hungover, you
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  Speaker 4: were there on a university trip, you were there for
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  Speaker 4: a guided study tour. What do you expect You knew
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  Speaker 4: that you were going to go to Auschwitz. To show
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  Speaker 4: that level of disrespect to me, quite frankly, is sickening,
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  Speaker 4: and it raises the question, what on earth is going
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  Speaker 4: on with the youth of today? And well, I guess
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  Speaker 4: maybe they're taking inspiration from this one.
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  Speaker 7: We're currently outside lying Mattalin Vedding Belin where we are
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  Speaker 7: coxsting against genocide, focusting against a weapon shipment's arming Israel
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  Speaker 7: during a genocide.
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  Speaker 4: Now, in case you missed, Greta's T shirt will bring
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  Speaker 4: that up again. So she's currently in Berlin. As she said,
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  Speaker 4: it says yala into Farda. That is the slogan which
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  Speaker 4: combines the Arabic word for let's go with into farda.
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  Speaker 4: And we know the word into farta, we know what
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  Speaker 4: it means. We have seen the consequences of those who
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  Speaker 4: chant globalize the into Fata play out in real time
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  Speaker 4: across the West. A couple of points I'll make. Firstly
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  Speaker 4: about this university trip. It happened in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 4: so this was after the October seven massacre. It was
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  Speaker 4: disrespectful to to be filming TikTok dances from the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: but to do it within a couple of months after
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  Speaker 4: twelve hundred Jews were slaughtered, and your first instinct is
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  Speaker 4: not to show the respect, but to do dancing and memes.
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  Speaker 4: I just think I think that should worry all of
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  Speaker 4: us about where the youth of today goes serious there's
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  Speaker 4: also real serious I don't know if it's it's almost
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  Speaker 4: ignorance or just a complete lack of understanding of our
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  Speaker 4: history as well of history in general, that you just
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't even show basic respect and awareness. But what does
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  Speaker 4: it say about the youth and what does it say
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  Speaker 4: about universities more broadly? We saw what happen here with
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  Speaker 4: the encampments. They became really a sess pit for anti
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  Speaker 4: Semitism for so long. But I do worry that that's
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  Speaker 4: the standard being set.
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  Speaker 2: I visited Auschwitz about ten years ago, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: going through there and a couple of things. You were
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  Speaker 2: really conscious about taking photographs that you wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: I guess careful that you didn't take photographs that looked
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  Speaker 2: like you were. You certainly didn't want to be smiling,
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  Speaker 2: And then it was just inappropriate, and you were very
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  Speaker 2: careful about where you took photographs. The other thing I
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  Speaker 2: remember is that everyone was quite solemn, and people were
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  Speaker 2: speaking in lowered tones. So there's this sense of I guess,
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  Speaker 2: reverence for what had happened there. So for UNI students
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  Speaker 2: to have zero sense of the sacred and zero appreciation
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  Speaker 2: for historical realities is not only concerning for you know,
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  Speaker 2: the young Jewish woman who was aggrieved by that because
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  Speaker 2: she was part of the trip. But is that not
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  Speaker 2: concerning for all of us that the next generation of
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  Speaker 2: leaders in this country feel so flippantly about history and
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  Speaker 2: about probably the greatest human rights abuse that has occurred
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  Speaker 2: in history.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, without doubt, the worst thing that
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  Speaker 3: has ever happened to anybody in all of human history.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just doesn't get more evil than what
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  Speaker 3: the Nazis did at Auschwitz and other camps. It was industrialized,
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  Speaker 3: advanced modern slaughter at a mass scale. It was like
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  Speaker 3: the Amazon of slaughter. And the way that they organized it,
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  Speaker 3: the way that they rounded people up, the way that
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  Speaker 3: Germans turned on their neighbors and friends, the way that
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  Speaker 3: even people with you know, part Jewish heritage who had
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  Speaker 3: links with the Nazi party would be writing letters saying, please,
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  Speaker 3: you know my grandfather, could you please just not take him,
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  Speaker 3: and the Nats said, no, no, sorry. He meets the criteria,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that there was nothing anyone could say or do,
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  Speaker 3: even if a Jew swore allegiance to Adolf Hitler himself,
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  Speaker 3: there was no way out because it was seen not
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  Speaker 3: as your faith or of your loyalty, but it was
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  Speaker 3: in your blood. I mean that is how Nazis thought
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  Speaker 3: of this, and that is what makes it different, I
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  Speaker 3: think from other forms of discrimination and racism, and as
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  Speaker 3: what I think also makes it exceptional. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that is why you can point to if you know
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  Speaker 3: either what happened during the Holocaust deserves a serious, specific solution,
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  Speaker 3: hence a state where Jewish people can feel safe, or
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  Speaker 3: it's just business as usual and war is bad and
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  Speaker 3: bad things happen. The truth is, genocide happens in lots
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  Speaker 3: of wars, but at no point in history has such
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  Speaker 3: a carefully curated, cultivated, ideologically structured genocide based on this
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  Speaker 3: insane conspiracy theory about the Jews and what they are
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  Speaker 3: up to and what they did and how they betrayed
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  Speaker 3: the Germans in World War One. Even Jewish veterans of
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  Speaker 3: World War One were rounded up and slaughtered. And if
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  Speaker 3: people do not know that, then you should not be
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  Speaker 3: going to Auschwitz. If you can't get that, you should not.
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  Speaker 4: Even think they're on a study tool.
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  Speaker 3: So if you could be in a university and have
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  Speaker 3: that on your itinery and be a tertiary educated or
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  Speaker 3: someone in the process of getting university education and be
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  Speaker 3: too stupid or moronic or inhuman to even google what
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  Speaker 3: you're there for. Then that is the second worst thing.
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  Speaker 3: The worst thing is that you could actually know something
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  Speaker 3: of it and still do it.
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  Speaker 4: And they weren't kids the university level. They're over the
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  Speaker 4: age of eighteen, and you're right they could have at
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  Speaker 4: least googled the significant that they shouldn't even have had to.
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  Speaker 4: They should have had to have googled it.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at gredit Tunberg, I mean the irony there.
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  Speaker 2: As you stand in Germany and as a climate activist
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  Speaker 2: you demand that people take science seriously rat where she
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  Speaker 2: could take history seriously.
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  Speaker 4: Well, she doesn't take anything seriously because she flips from
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  Speaker 4: one cause to another depending on what day it is
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  Speaker 4: and what cause.
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  Speaker 3: German up against Jews is not a good idea greater.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let's go back to Australia. There's an interesting court case,
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  Speaker 2: well not a court case, but rather some government lobbying
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  Speaker 2: happening by a lesbian couple who've been told they can't
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  Speaker 2: implant an embryo they were choosing to use for IVF
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  Speaker 2: because the sperm donor that they had used he's from
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: America died and under South Australian law, an embryo can't
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  Speaker 2: be implanted if the donor dies unless that donor was
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: living in a domestic relationship with the woman prior to
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  Speaker 2: his death. So they now lobbying for the government to
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  Speaker 2: change the law. It may not allow them to use
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  Speaker 2: this embryo to have a child, but for future couples,
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  Speaker 2: if the sperm donor who's not in a domestic living
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  Speaker 2: relationship with the woman dies, you can still use the embryo.
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  Speaker 1: I personally am not in favor of the law being changed.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have laws for good reasons and you
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  Speaker 2: don't rewrite laws just because there's some sad stories. The
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  Speaker 2: law is there so that the sperm donor can give consent,
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  Speaker 2: and if there's no consent by the sperm donor to
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  Speaker 2: create a child in the event of his death, then
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  Speaker 2: that should be respected. The other reason it's there is
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  Speaker 2: because there's all sorts of legal and ethical concerns and
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  Speaker 2: complexities in the event that a child from a sperm
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  Speaker 2: donor is born and.
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  Speaker 1: Dad is deceased.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, your heart can go out to this
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  Speaker 2: lesbian couple who want to have a child. Another debate
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  Speaker 2: as to whether surrogus you should be allowed at all.
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  Speaker 1: But just because you.
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  Speaker 2: Might feel compassion for this couple doesn't mean you change
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  Speaker 2: a law that is there to protect sperm donors.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just this. Yeah, I don't see a problem
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  Speaker 4: with that. And it's also just for reference, it's not
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  Speaker 4: just this couple that are caught up in this, but
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  Speaker 4: there are four other Australian couples who are impacted. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure whether they're in a same sex relationship or not,
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  Speaker 4: but that.
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  Speaker 2: They have not given consent for the embryo created from
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  Speaker 2: his sperm to be implanted into a woman after his death,
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  Speaker 2: then the embryo should not be implanted.
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  Speaker 3: But isn't donating the sperm in the first place giving consent?
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  Speaker 4: Exactly? He's entered into a contract. He has entered into
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  Speaker 4: a contract, and this was twenty.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Seven years old bureaucratic red tape that I agree no
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: one actually thought to correct. And I think that obviously,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: if you're a sperm donor, that is what you are
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: doing it for, and therefore they should be able to
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: go ahead with that.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: He was a twenty seven year old, perfectly fit, healthy
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: young man before his death. He entered into an agreement,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: a contractual agreement. I don't think that you enter into
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: a sperm donation off a whim. This is something and
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: that you would obviously give a lot of consideration too.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So I well, it means you've got kids everywhere, You
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: could have kids anywhere around the concrete money. Yeah, and
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: that's fine then. I mean maybe some people don't care
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: as much, but I think you would give a lot
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: of consideration to donating your own sperm, and I think
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: that there is an element of obligation to deliver. There
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: are a lot of couples out there who cannot have
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: children for whatever reason, the woman can't feel pregnant, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: who would love the chance. And don't forget IVF is
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: extremely extremely impressive, expensive, and you don't have a lot
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: of opportunity. The window of opportunity each time you try
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: get smaller and smaller and smaller. So when you finally
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: have that to be taken away, it would be pretty devastating.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: James, you've got an embryo that I mean, what do
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: you do with it? I mean, there's another old question.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: It's already happened, there's already been consent given, and we'll
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: hang on.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: A second, if you're going to make that argument, it
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: wouldn't just be one m go. They would presumably have
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a number of embryos frozen. Right, So if you're going
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to make the argument, Chip, but what do you do
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: with the embryo? Now, what do you do with all
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the other embryos that aren't implanted? Isn't that the same
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: ethical problem?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Well? No, I would say, you've already got like leaving
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: aside the fact that you know whether it life begins
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: at conception or birth or whatever whatever, but this it
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: is already got to this stage. It's not as it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: not as though this guy is still So when you
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: get when you're getting a sperm donor, you go through
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: a list of people and you pick the one that
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: whose characteristics you most like or you think would be
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: most compatible and blah blah blah. So it's not like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: a sort of lottery where that you could just go
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: with everyone. So they have already decided that this donor
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: is the best one out of god knows how many
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: they would have gone through. They've already got the embryo there,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: and now because of this ridiculous technical I is saying, sorry,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: not back to square back to square.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Called the death of the sperm donor a ridiculous technicality.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: No, but obviously it goes without saying that as the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: sperm donor, he wanted to donate sperm, he's already given
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: consent effectively because he's already had his sperm donated and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: it's become an embryo. So the fact that he's just
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: suddenly died before he can sign the last form or whatever,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: or tick the last box, whatever it might be, I
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: think that's I mean, you can't if you can't even
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: defame the dead, and you can say whatever you want
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: about someone after their ted, surely you can use no
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: harm whatsoever.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: That's it. You're so far gone in the process as well, anyway,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: as you said, like he's already give it, he's already
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: donated his sperm. You're so far ahead of it. It
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: just was one unfortunate accident, a moment.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And it's taken red tape.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: It is bureaucratic red tape. And I think there are
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: some wonderful couples out there who would love to be
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: able to have a child, and who would make excellent parents,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: and perhaps this may be their last opportunity, And why
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: not give them a go. There are some horrible parents
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And that's right.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Give it. Give a child a chance to grow up
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: in a loving environment.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I say, I agree. Okay, someone who may not James
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: is not.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Looking at me. I do not agree, and I'm going
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to give you that one.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Someone else who may not get another chance. Is the
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: world's unluckiest or is it most incompetent truck driver? So
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: a truck driver. This is the most amazing story I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: saw it today. A truck driver has failed in his
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: bid to get his job back after he drove all
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the way from I think I think it was from
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Sydney to Melbourne in a truck filled with ice cream,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and he forgot to put the thermostat on the right temperature.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So who was meant to have the ice cream at
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: minus twenty two degrees? Instead it was just minus one degree.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Apparently that's not cold enough for a lot of other
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And when he gets to the other end he finds
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: out that one hundred thousand dollars worth of ice cream
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: in his truck has melted. How would you be not happy?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: You know the problem with this? He was a Sunday driver.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Ah, but he's great. I mean I mean, look, it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of ice that's a lot of ice cream. Yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and pretend you never have it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: But is is that you know?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He does basically this company?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Right, So then he made one steak and he sacked
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Now he thought it can thort it, yeah, saying they
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: hadn't followed proper process in sacking him, because they decided
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: to sack him before they had met with him, apparently,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and the Fair Work Commission agreed proper process had not
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: been followed. But if you destroy effectively one hundred grand
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: worth of ice cream because you forgot to put it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: on the right temperature, well you probably deserve to lose
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: your job.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Ye's it? So he took it to the Fair Work Commission.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: He said it was it was unjust that he was
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: sacked of it. Mate, sorry, but a hundred one hundred
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars worth of Okay, okay, you made a hundred
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars damage here at Sky News Australia. What do
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: you think would happen?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine it? Your rascal? Try to do better?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Two thousand dollars anyway, the Fair Work Commission to agree.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: They said that the costly mistake justified his sacking, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I actually feel so sorry for him. You would be
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: kicking yourself like your heart would just seek to know
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: that you have got Your heart would melt like the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: ice cream in his truck. Absolutely, you know, Look, you
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: will you make mistakes of the workplace, but you don't
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: want it to cost you one hundred thousand dollars.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: What else?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I like this is so just to be clear, one
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars, it was actually seventy thousand dollars worth
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: of ice cream, and then thirty grand to clean up
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the mess.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So do you think here's another question for do you
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: think if it was something apart from ice cream that
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: it would have been punished so severely? Do you think
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: there is the fact that it was ice cream? And
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: there's something incredibly visceral about you know, ruining you if
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: your ice cream cone, you know, if your ice cream
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: falls on the ground when you're having an ice cream cone,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: that's so much worse than anything else falling on the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: ground because it's ice cream. And so he's ruined all
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the ice cream. If he'd ruined all the you know, asparagus,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: do you think people would care?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: No, move my kids would be thrilled if he'd ruined
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the asparagus. The corresponsibility of a refrigerated driver keep the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: contents of the truck refrigerated if you failed to do that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine when he opened up the truck and
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: he saw what was inside?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Can you?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what he would have felt in
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: that thing?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Is he was the one that rang the media to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: give them a scoop.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, you've got to stop.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I've got more of these. There's too many.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: You're lining them up too much.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: James, the dad brought agreement. He deserved to lose his job.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, definitely sorry to him. I feel sorry for him,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: but yes, you don't make a mistake of that level.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It's really how you couldn't even cheer himself up, like
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: he's going to get PTSD every time he goes to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: the freezer.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Indeed, it's a crazy story, all right.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK speaking of crazy stories, where
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Caribbean nations or Caribbean nations have banded together and they
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: have demanded that reparations are made for colonization. They don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: just want an apology for colonization, nor do they simply
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: want reparations in the form of money. They actually want
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the UK to hand back all of the territories in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the Caribbean that currently comprise the British Commonwealth. They include
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and so
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: they want all of this given back. I would say
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: there's Buckley's and Nune. However, you just don't know. With
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: King Charles being the way he is, You've got the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Church of England which is committing one hundred million pounds
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to make reparations for their role in slavery, even though
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it was Church of England members who ended slavery in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Commonwealth. This is an incredible claim for compensation. We
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: want out of the Commonwealth, give us our independence and
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: money and an apology.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Well you're right, I mean King Charles ha just changed
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: his job titles. So yeah, anything, anything's possible right now
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: over in Waywood, Britain. But once it starts, where does
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: it end? Because this is clearly a claim for compensation.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: They want money, right and something like this would rack
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: up into the trillions and trillions of dollars. They're hungry
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: for a slice of the pie. But what bothers me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: The most is is that Britain has given them, in
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: my view, a slice of paradise for goodness sake. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: we're talking about the Caribbean here. Wouldn't you be proud
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And hard to get it?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: You would be, You would be. And I think it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: very idyllic, and they're saying, no, we still want more. Look,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: we have to understand that there are complex histories in
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: every nation and every single country. But it's time to
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: move on. And this, to me is just politics of grievance.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: We've seen it around the world. We see it here
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: in Australia when there's all these land all these land
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: titles claims, and don't forget that Britain did actually end
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: slavery and then eventually, you know, built a very democratic
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: strong system and these strong systems still are there today.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: If the Brits have to hand back all of these islands,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: do the African people currently living in these islands all
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: have to go back to Africa?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Well I think that should be fair trade. Sorry, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: This whole reductive view of history, right, and it always
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: stops after.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The Europeans do their bit.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: But you know, what are the Muslims doing about slavery
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: or what about the African slave traders that that part
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of it has never talked about.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, well, Muslim slavery continued, The Brazilian slave
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: trade continued right up until just a few decades ago.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I think, as crazy as it seems to say, so, yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: this is the thing, so is it? You know? And
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: again everyone talks about the Brits. What about the French,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: What about the Spanish? What about the Portuguese? What about
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: the fact that the British Royal Navy was actually fighting
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: these other nations on the High Sea to stop the
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: transatlantic slave trade. Admittedly, yes, after it had been started,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: and I think it was the Portuguese who first started.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, like where do you draw the line.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Slavery has been a fact of human history right up
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: until you know, the last century or so, and even
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: just a few decades ago, and there's still human trafficking now.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Obviously it has to be stopped, has to be stamped out.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: But the idea that you you know, you were just
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: one particular area or one particular time of slavery and
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: say all right, we want reparations for that, but not
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: this bit you know, what about the descendants of slaves
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: who have done really well and become wealthy, Do they
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: get reparations as well? That's why I think when you're
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: talking about disadvantaged communities, you target the disadvantage, you don't
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: target the claim for sort of historical entitlement or reparation.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Do you think part of this is driven by local
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: politicians who are doing a poor job in their own communities,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: whether because of corruption or just poor governance, and so
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: rather than take responsibility for the bad job they're doing,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: it's easier just to point at the UK and say,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: if it wasn't for colonization, they need to give it back,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: then we could have our paradise, minus for plumbing, the roads,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the school health system, et cetera, et cetera.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Well, the grass isn't always greener on the other side,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: and perhaps that they would be wise to think that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Did you know that the British state, the British military
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: actually had to go and tell a black African state
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to stop engaging in slave trade after it had been
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: been banned. So you actually had because of course that's
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the way that the slaves got to the coasts in
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the first place. It would be wars or fights between
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: different Black states or nations or groups, and the Purple,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: who are unfortunate enough to be on the winning side,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: were taken away to the coast. And that's how the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: European trade has got their hands on them. So do
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: we get reparations for that? Should we go to those
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: African nations and say that and.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We wait with baited breath?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: We do wait with baited breath. Another group of people
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: waiting with baited breath is a long suffering population of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the United Kingdom who have been told they need to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: get ready for war. Not war with China as we
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: happen to be dealing with, or indeed war with Iran,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: which the British were refusing to get involved with, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: war with Russia. They are saying that it is possible
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: that a Russian cyber attack could reduce the UK's ability
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to access food and so people would have to stay
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: in too, say in their homes. They would have to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: conserve preserve enough food like the bomb shelters from the
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighties. Have your cans of beans and don't forget
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the can opener, whatever you do when the shelter out
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: the back. Because the Ruskies are coming. The Ruskies are coming.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: So this is what Starmer's chief secretary have actually has
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: said said. Throughout our history, the UK has overcome challenges
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: from plagues and pandemics to war and our fair share
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: of wet weather, mister Jones, this campaign will help the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: public to take small but important steps to be prepared
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: in case of emergencies and disruption, be that severe weather
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: or a cyber attack which can impact access to power,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: water or phone signal. That does not, to me sound
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: like a statement from a winning government. It's o hey, guys, look,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: probably nothing to worry about that. You know, we could
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: be attacked by someone from any oi natural disaster, so
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: huddle in your basements, don't worry if you don't get
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: any power, and again don't forget the canot Now.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just the other week that security experts were
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: warning that Andy Burnham should prepare for the Russians to
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: try something, maybe in Poland, maybe elsewhere in Europe or
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: perhaps in relation to the UK directly within the first
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: few weeks of him becoming Prime minister. So the highest
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: levels of UK government are on alert, as are other
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: European nations. I think what's interesting Joe is the contrast
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: between European nations, particularly Britain, where they're actually talking to
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the population about you know, it may not happen, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: we need to be prepared conflict could be coming. You
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: compare that with our attitude here in Australia rather the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: attitude of the Albanese government, where we had the Chinese
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: firing a missile ballistic missile the other day, and Penny
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Wong talking about oceans of peace as if somehow, because
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: it's been declared a notion of peace, that nothing can
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: happen here. It's like this force field that that slogan generates.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And Mike Pizzulo wrote a great article on the Weekend
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Australian talking about you were all familiar with the fog
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: of war.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: He talked about the fog.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Of peace that we have known peace and prosperity for
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: so long it's literally beyond the capability of most Australians.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: To imagine conflict.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Now government is derelicting their duty by not starting to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: at least get the conversation going so that in the
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: event of war we're prepared to make the sacrifices, do
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the things we need to do at the moment, everybody's
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: complepletely in denial.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Well, it's complacency. And I don't think it's just the UK.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I think it's across the West. More broadly, I think
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: the only people who are preparing themselves is the United States.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: You look at Donald Trump. He put a Department of
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: War in, he put he hired Pete Hegseth as the
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Secretary of War. This is a man who is arming
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: America with the tools. You know, you're right about here
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: with China, So you know, like the UK that it
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: just is like their infrastructures collapsing all around them right now.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: They're not prepared. Here in Australia, we've got our ADF
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: squabbling over who can change a light bulb. You've got
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: a virgin pilot who is the one who alerted us
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to the Chinese flares off of our coast. We're selling
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: off our military bases.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: And buy more weapons.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, speak of that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Our defense strategy is, don't worry, we'll have the weapons
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: we need in about a decade from now.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Well terrific in a decade. What China's out there with
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: its ballistic missile. What happens if China could be ready
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: in the next month. We simply don't know.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: The UK response I think is just so insipid. I mean,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: what happened to Churchill saying we will fight them on
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the beaches, never surrender, starv and say just stay in
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: your homes, do not leave.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's a really good contrast, right, So they're saying get
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: food rations and stop bars, but they're not massively increasing
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: their defense spinning they would say they are, but in reality.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: So I'm more of the 's let you know the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Chinese are coming and instead of huddling in the huddling
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: in the basement, let's make sure that our our alliance
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: with America is rock solid, and let's get lots of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: nuclear submarines and things that go bang. Anyway. Now, the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: only thing more important than war is of course the
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: soccer World Cup, which is on at the moment. And
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: indeed I'm going to be dragged out of bed, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: suspect at five o'clock tomorrow morning to watch England take
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: on Argentina. But back home in Old Blighty there is
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: outrage after a local council has been removing British or
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: English flags, I should say, the Cross of Saint George,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the red on white Cross. The council has been taking
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it down. It's been accused of a woke move that
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: destroying British patriotism. It's very core. Meanwhile, the Americans have
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: been ashamed, the shocked the soccer world by putting on
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: a halftime show that goes beyond the allocated maximum under
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: international soccer law of fifteen minutes for the at the break.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: So you've got the flags, the English flags being taken
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: down by woke councils at home. And then meanwhile you've
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: got this outrageous, gaudy American afication of an English sport
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: well happening right in the heart of international football.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Got to get their money's worth at the halftime show.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: They've got Shakira, they've gone biber Bts. It's going to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: get their money's worth now what they've extended the halftime show.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Thank god we dodged the dodge that bullet let.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, soccer could do with a bit of
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a jushing up and a half time show.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Hips don't lie, James, Hips don't line.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Not be out of place.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: He doesn't get the reference to your Shakira. No, you
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: forget sorry, I wouldn't have bothered. No, don't worry. Never mind.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Now Nik is going to explain Shakira to me during
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the break, and after the break we'll look at what's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: in the papers, including a convicted killer granted permission to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: get IVF while in prison is now being given permission
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to get plastic surgery and taxpayer funded ozempic.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's after the break.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, let's take a look at what's making headlines in
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: tomorrow's papers so you hear it all here. First, we'll
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: start with tomorrow's Herald's Son, which has got an interesting
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: front page story, Murderer makeover reads the headline, convicted killer
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Alisha Schiller, who was previously approved for IVF treatment while
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: behind bars, has been given the green light to receive
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded ozempic, jabs and plastic surgery in jail. Now
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you remember Alicia Schiller, who was sentenced to sixteen years
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: for stabbing a mother of three to death over fifty
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: dollars a drug.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Deal went wrong.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: She was given was it last year permission to get
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: fertility treatment. That caused outrage in Victoria. She decided not
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to get IVF treatment, though I think that decision may
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: have been more to do with the fact that IVF
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: clinics throughout Victoria said we are not going to have
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: anything to do with this and hospitals.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe dad died unexpectedly.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, could have been that as well.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: But now plastic surgery and ozempic, So as I understand it,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a prisoner could get plastic surgery if it was medically necessary,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: not for cosmetic reasons, and ozepic would be prescribed for
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the same reason i e. Diabetes not necessarily for weight loss,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: or at least that's the way I would understand to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: refer these things, of.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Course, all funded by the taxpayer. You know what we
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: need on this show. I feel like we need a
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: segment just specifically called only in Victoria because it seems
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: to be a lot of things that happen only in Victoria.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: You can have a whole Sky News shot.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Almost missed my queue there. The Australian newspaper Agent of
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Change PM's about turn on AI laws Anthony Albernezi has
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: delivered a U turn on artificial intelligence regulation by vowing
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: to develop a world leading framework of laws specifically targeting
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: the technology, prompting business to warn against designing standards that
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: are out of line with international competitors. The PM used
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: a major speech on Wednesday to unveil plans to create
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: a legal structure establishing Australian standards for AI that would
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: be legislated early next year, despite last year rejecting the
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: need for a standalone AI Act. The most incredible announcement
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: made by the Primeate today is that he's going to
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: create an office within the Public Service for this AI.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I saw more bureaucracy in what is already bloated AI service.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: What I found most astonishing about his speech two parts One.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: He said the world is looking at us. I'm not
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: sure how many people are actually looking at Anthony Albanesi
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: in the world. And too, I feel like this is
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: just another legacy push by the Prime Minister. He's calling
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: these world first laws, just like they were world first
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: social and social media band for under sixteens. I just
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: think this is all another ploy. But look, I don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: deny that AI is gripping the world, but I'm not
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: sure Anthony Alberize is the one to fix it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I think this is really really good. I think we've
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: got you know, as this organization has pointed out many
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: many times and others have as well. You've got the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: possibility of AI basically stealing all of the content produced
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: by organizations like news and you know, authors, musicians and
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: just using all of that as as it's algorithm to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: then sort of replace It's like, you know, this is
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: crazy stuff, but basically replace the people whose work it
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: has harvested. And so I think there needs to be
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: proper copyright recognition of AI, I think which this will address.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people have been saying in the
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: tech sector Australia just hasn't got a plan for AI.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: It's coming and we just haven't got a you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a coherent, centralized kind.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Of what you're saying. My problem is that this isn't
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a plan. This is as Deneka announced, as said, this
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: is an announcement that you know, we're going to develop
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a plan.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Well, the person in charge of it, I would think,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: would be the guy who's got carriage of it now,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: which is Andrew Charlton, who is a rising star in
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the Laker and he is he's the last person to
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: tolerate sort of meddling bureaucracy. He's a startup founder himself.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: He founded a company called Alpha Better, which skyrocket and
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: then got bought by Centure, which is why he's a gazillionaire,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and he's soon for super Smart and he, I daresay,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: will be in charge of this, and I reckon anything
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: he's in charge of is in good hands.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I suppose, Denika. Before we criticize the Albanez government too
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: much over this, you've got to remember Joe Biden famously
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: appointed Kamala Harris to be in charge of protecting Americans
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: from AI.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: About that Albo any worse than that Ken.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: It's good. A lot of what he is doing stuff
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that News Corps has actually been campaigning for.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: So okay, all right, remains to be saying, also on
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: the front page their bottom right hand corner. Union cans
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: nurse research because of trans distress. Australia's nurses union has
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: retracted and apologized for an article in its official journal
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: that accurately summarized the research on suicide and transgender people.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Following complaints by the union's LGBTQY plus reference group that
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the paper was causing significant distress to the transgender community.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: The Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation expressed its sincere regret
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: for publishing the article, which outlined a number of long
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: term starf is challenging the narrative that the risk of
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: suicide increases dramatically of trans children and teens are not
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: provided with the gender affirming medical treatment.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: It's incredible.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Look, he summarized six historical studies literally that showed the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: trans narrative regarding suicide is at best, he said, tenuous, yep,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: or most likely simply incorrect. And the article has been
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: withdrawn because the transactivist movement were upset by.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: It, and so we've just got a tiptoe around it,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: tiptoe around the narrative. We can't actually talk about the
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: research in front of us, just like we can't talk
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: about the research on puberty blockers or cross sex hormones
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: because it defends a very small percentage of the population.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: But it's not the transactivists that I'm most annoyed with.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It's the nurses union, I mean.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: The buckled.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: If you can't trust nurses to the medicine first ideology
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: second I know at all, then what sort.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Of quest Throe.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: The irony of it is that this is exactly what
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: the article itself was saying. It said that the position
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: of the Peak International Trans Body is based appears to
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: be based entirely on ideology and not on science. And
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: then the Nurses Federation, based entirely on ideology and not
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: on science, not on any factual problems with the article,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: but purely based on ideology, has suddenly pulled the pulled
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the article and has even written toward its members saying, oh,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: this we haven't been able to pull it from the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: print edition, so we're really sorry that this is going
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: to you know, invade the safe space of your.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Letter boxy just and if you care about kids who
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: are battling gender dysphoria, which we all should.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Want to know, believable, it is really really creepy stuff. Anyway,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: onto the Mighty Courier mail now, and the front page
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: says shuntered. Yes that was with an s H, thank you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Three more months of communic chaos and minister refuses to
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: see for himself. Twenty six Brisbane trains are out of service.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Communities will be forced onto crowded and infrequent rail services
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: for at least three more months, but the Transport Minister
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: has turned down a challenge to experience it for himself.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Protected industrial action has kept Southeast Queensland's rail network on
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: a reduced timetable since April, when unions and Queensland Rails
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: started negotiating wage deals. There are now twenty six six
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: car Queensland Rail trains unavailable for service due to a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: maintenance backlog. Opposition leader Steven Miles challenge Transport Minister Brent
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Mickelberg to catch a train and experience the network. He
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: has declined, what slight mare if you were the minister,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: surely refusing to travel on the trains that you oversee
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: is not a particularly good look. I actually have to
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: give Stephen Miles credit for the wedge. And the other
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: thing is, of course, surely the Labour Party would be
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: more on the side of the UNI who are causing
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: the disruption, So why wouldn't the Coalition have the wherewithal
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: to be able to make them to blame them for
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the problem anyway, right and just very quickly another interesting one.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Two stabbings that left children hospitalized with serious injuries this
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: week were the culmination of brewing social media disputes. According
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: to shock court claims, two schoolboys aged just sixteen and
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: fifteen being charged after separate stabbings in Brisbane and Cans,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: which their lawyers say came after messages on social media.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: So another reason for the social media ban. Go albo,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: there you go.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: A pack of dogs come to the rescue in Melbourne
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: after two women are assaulted in broad daylight.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're afraid of flying, what Joe Hildebrand is
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: about to tell you next is not going to help.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, that is right, James. A wife has possibly saved
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: her husband's life by dragging him back into the cabin
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: after he was sucked out of a plane window while
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the flight was mid air set. Lana Masimovich was able
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: with the help of another passenger and the fact that
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: the guy was buckled in to pull him out even
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: after he was sucked into the very window itself. Have
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: a look not yeah, probablya snagger.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: So as such a poe, I.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Have to say, in all honesty, I'm not sure if
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: my wife would do the same for me. Well, you'd
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: probably just say that's right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: That guy is going to be doing the dishes for life.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Amazing. But can I say this is an actual quote
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: from the article. Greek authorities have described Saturday's incident as rare.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: That's good to know it doesn't happen.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: That oftened, thank god for that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, assaults fairly regular occurrences in the city of Melbourne,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and there was one on Tuesday morning. A couple of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: women who are professional dog walkers. Between the two of them,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: they had eleven dogs. They were walking through a local
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: area when a guy jumps out from bushes starts to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: assault the first woman. She pushes him off, Then he
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: starts to assault the second woman. She fights him off,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: after which both the ladies have the quick thinking to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: let their dogs off the leads. And here's what happened next.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They do say dogs are good judges of character, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: that seems to be the case.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I are really best friend. You know, that's frightening that
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: happened in broad daylight on an oval in the middle
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: of Melbourne.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: That's scary in a sort of leafy, rich area.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: That's it' that's terrified actually.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the guys is an out of creep
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and clearly perhaps mentally not quite where it needs to be.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: But how stupid would you have to be to assault
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: a woman with half a dozen dogs like that is
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: surely yeah, as bad as dumb as it get.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Well, there are some dumb people out there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: A sixty seven million year old Tyrannosaurus rex has been
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: sold at auction at a Southerby's auction in New York.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: This is the most ever paid for this dinosaur, at
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: fifty point one million Australian dollars. The fossil of this
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: infamous predator stands at more than four meters tall and
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: with over sixty percent of its bones recovered, it's one
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: of the most complete specimens ever found in the world.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Can you believe how good is that? I think it
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: should be on display.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I would totally buy that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: I think it should be on displayed.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they're gonna to put it in a museum
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: or are they going to just put it in their backyard?
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Oh well, I hope that they put it in the museum.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't think it should just be
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: sitting about someone's backyard.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Fifty million bucks for old bones?
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Have you got money?
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: If my wife got his mind for free?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Don't know what to dad. That's all we've got time
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: for stick around. Coming up is the Reader Pedity Show.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: We'll see it tomorrow.