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Sharri | 12 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, I have a major interview with former ASIOBUS Dennis Richardson,
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Speaker 3: who sensationally quit the Bondai Royal Commission. I press him
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Speaker 3: on why he resigned, the failure of leadership in our country,
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Speaker 3: on anti Semitism, and many more crucial questions. Had you
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Speaker 3: expressed this view privately? Does it concern you that these
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Speaker 3: alleged gunmen were once known to both police and to
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Speaker 3: intelligence agencies. How concerned are you about the threat of
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Speaker 3: radical Islamist extremism. It's a fascinating interview, and my full
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Speaker 3: interview with Dennis Richardson is coming up in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Plus.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen has accused Matt Canavan of joining the woke
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Speaker 3: pylon of her will. Matt is on the show tonight
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Speaker 3: Live and Matt Canavan will be with me shortly. And
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Speaker 3: he's the voice of a generation, the kid who speaks
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Speaker 3: for children growing up in the world of terror. And
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Speaker 3: Ben is in Australia and he's visited Bondai and you
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Speaker 3: know what.
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Speaker 4: I'm proud to be an Israeli and I'm proud to
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Speaker 4: be a Jew.
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Speaker 3: And he'll be the youngest guest at eleven that we've
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Speaker 3: had on the show for first tonight, President Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: has moved to unlock emergency oil reserves to address the
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Speaker 3: fuel supply crisis and soaring prices. This is two crude
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Speaker 3: oil tankers have been hit in a raq with Iran
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Speaker 3: deliberately targeting oil supply. Iran is striking international ships with
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Speaker 3: missiles and drones, and it's also planting explosive mines in
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Speaker 3: the Strait of Hormus, that's the critical pathway for a
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Speaker 3: fifth of global oil and energy supply. Now, three cargo
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Speaker 3: ships in the Strait have come under attack, including a
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Speaker 3: Thaie vessel which also caught fire. In response, America has
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Speaker 3: already blown up sixteen mind laying vessels. And you're looking
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Speaker 3: right now at the footage from the US Central Command
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Speaker 3: showing America targeting and then destroying these Iranian boats that
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Speaker 3: were laying mines. But despite some initial commitments from President Trump,
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Speaker 3: so far America hasn't accompanied any vessels through the strait. Now,
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Speaker 3: Trump keeps insisting that America is winning this war, or
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Speaker 3: even has already won it in the first.
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Speaker 5: Hour, and we've won.
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Speaker 6: Let me tell it, We've won, you know, you'd never
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Speaker 6: like to say too early you won.
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Speaker 7: We won the best in the first hour it was over.
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Speaker 6: The main thing is we have to win this. They
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Speaker 6: win it quickly, but win it. And there are many
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Speaker 6: people I'm just watching some of the news. Most people
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Speaker 6: say it's already been won. It's just a question of when.
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Speaker 3: While America and Israel do appear to be winning the war,
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Speaker 3: as Trump keeps saying, one area where Iran has the
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Speaker 3: tactical advantage is targeting these ships passing through the Strait
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Speaker 3: of Hormos. It's the same tactics the Hooties used in
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Speaker 3: the Red Sea, and they work. Iran has vowed to
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Speaker 3: shut down the world economy by cutting off oil shipments
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Speaker 3: from passing through the strait. Now, for all intents and purposes,
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Speaker 3: the Strait of Hormos is effectively closed. To address this,
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Speaker 3: the United States will release one hundred and seventy two
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Speaker 3: million barrels of oil from emergency stockpiles. The International Energy
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Speaker 3: Agency has also agreed to a record release of four
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Speaker 3: hundred million barrels of oil, and here in Australia, Energy
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Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bowen has eased fuel quality standards. He did
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Speaker 3: that today to allow an extra one hundred million liters
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Speaker 3: of petrol a month now. Bowen described the fuel situation
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Speaker 3: as a natural crisis for the Prime Minister keeps insisting
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Speaker 3: that Australians don't need a panic, and he says there's
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Speaker 3: enough supply.
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Speaker 8: A national crisis is a time for leadership on both
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Speaker 8: sides of the house. One side of the House is
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Speaker 8: providing it.
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Speaker 1: The other side of the house is playing politics.
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Speaker 3: But farmers are furious the Albanezy government wasn't more prepared.
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Speaker 3: President Trump also spoke today about the emergency release of oil.
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Speaker 7: I'm pleased to report that earlier today, the International Energy
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Speaker 7: Agency agreed to coordinate the release of a record four
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Speaker 7: hundred million barrels of oil from various national petroleum reserves
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Speaker 7: around the world, which will substantially reduce the oil prices
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Speaker 7: as we end this threat to America and this threat
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Speaker 7: to the world.
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Speaker 3: Now, this should all alleviate some pressure internationally, at least
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Speaker 3: for the moment, and fuel supply has been the most
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Speaker 3: immediate issue caused by the war. But there is another
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Speaker 3: consequence that poses a grave risk too, and that's Iranian
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Speaker 3: sleeper cells being activated and posing a risk of acts
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Speaker 3: of terror across the West. Trump also spoke about this today.
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Speaker 9: Have you been briefed about how many Iran sleeper cells
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Speaker 9: there could be inside the US right now?
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Speaker 6: I have been, and a lot of people came in
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Speaker 6: through bite with a stupid open border.
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Speaker 5: But we know where most of them are. We've got
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Speaker 5: our eire all of them.
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Speaker 3: I think, now this isn't just a concern in the
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Speaker 3: United States, it's a worry here as well in Australia.
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Speaker 3: As you know, Iran has already orchestrated several terror attacks
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Speaker 3: over the past year or so, and Dennis Richardson touches
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Speaker 3: on this threat tonight in our interview.
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Speaker 10: And unfortunately, elements of that conflict can lead some people
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Speaker 10: to think about acts of violence.
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Speaker 3: That interview just moments away the farm ahead of Masad's
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Speaker 3: counterintelligence also told me about this threat of the Iranian
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Speaker 3: sleeper cells last night.
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Speaker 11: It's they're inns that figured out the perfect crime there.
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Speaker 11: In fact, turned the world drug gangs and street criminals,
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Speaker 11: hired thugs into some sort of a ghost army. They've
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Speaker 11: even recruited teenagers to throw grenades at the Israeli embassy.
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Speaker 11: And of course we have seen the incident, the latest
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Speaker 11: one in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Even if ASIO doesn't raise the terror threat level, even
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Speaker 3: if ASIO keeps it at probable, there is now an
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Speaker 3: elevated risk of attacks from Iranian sleeper cells being activated.
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Speaker 2: That's the reality now.
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Speaker 3: News Also overnight, Iran is convermed that its new Supreme Leader,
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Speaker 3: mosh Taba Kamena, was injured in an Israeli strike. Iran
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Speaker 3: is officially downplaying this, claiming it's a minor injury, but
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Speaker 3: wash Taba hasn't been seen in public and has made
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Speaker 3: no statements to his nation, so is either It indicates
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Speaker 3: he's either severely injured or in hiding, and still no
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Speaker 3: sign of surrender, especially not when Iran has been successful
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Speaker 3: in crippling the global oil supply while fuel shortages and
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Speaker 3: economic strain are putting pressure on the president. On Trump today,
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Speaker 3: he said he was committed to finishing the job.
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Speaker 7: But oil prices are already coming back down, and it's
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Speaker 7: going to come down. But we're not living until that
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Speaker 7: job is finished, and it's going to be very fast.
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Speaker 7: It's going to be very fast. We don't want to
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Speaker 7: leave early, do we. We got to finish the job right.
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Speaker 3: Well, Now that he's committed to the war, Trump must
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Speaker 3: follow through on the premise that justified it, demilitarize Iran,
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Speaker 3: clear the path for new leadership to emerge chosen by
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Speaker 3: the Iranians that doesn't threaten the West, and see the
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Speaker 3: mission through in pursuit of a safer world. America and
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Speaker 3: Israel are in it now, along with many other countries,
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Speaker 3: and they shouldn't waste this opportunity to confront the terror
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Speaker 3: threat posed by the Islamist totalitarian Iranian regime. After the
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Speaker 3: Bondai massacre, former asioboss Dennis Richardson was brought in by
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister as the best man to examine what
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Speaker 3: went wrong and then make recommendations about the lessons, but
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Speaker 3: just three months later he sensationally quit. I sat down
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Speaker 3: with him today and I started by asking him to
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Speaker 3: explain his decision to resign when Australians had full confidence in.
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Speaker 10: Him, essentially because I felt I was no longer adding
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Speaker 10: sufficient value. I believe the Royal Commission will get to
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Speaker 10: the same destination. I think the community should have full
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Speaker 10: confidence in the Royal Commission. Virginia Bell is an outstanding person.
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Speaker 10: Her senior counsel and others are first class. A former
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Speaker 10: Deputy Director General of Asio and Deputy Secretary of Defense
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Speaker 10: continue to work with her.
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Speaker 5: In terms of my own.
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Speaker 10: Role, I felt that, as I've said on a number
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Speaker 10: of occasions now, I was simply surplus to requirements.
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Speaker 3: You've even said that you felt like you were a researcher.
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Speaker 3: Were you being sidelined in this process?
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Speaker 5: I wasn't being sidelined.
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Speaker 10: It's simply the natural processes of a Royal commission I think.
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Speaker 10: I think others would have quite a different perspective, but
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Speaker 10: I believed that it got to a point where my
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Speaker 10: role was not significantly greater to that of a researcher.
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Speaker 3: As recently as a few days ago, I understand you
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Speaker 3: were in detailed meetings with members of the Jewish community.
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Speaker 3: Things were progressing. So as something happened just in the
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Speaker 3: past week, No.
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Speaker 5: It was not. It was not a sudden thing. Shari.
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Speaker 10: I had my first discussion with the Royal Commissioner about
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Speaker 10: the possibility of resigning a couple of weeks ago. That
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Speaker 10: revolved around a couple of matters which were resolved. We
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Speaker 10: had a deeper discussion which was very good and very fruitful. However,
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Speaker 10: it became it became even more clear over the past
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Speaker 10: two weeks that being inside a Royal Commission.
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Speaker 5: Met that met that. I suspect the weight.
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Speaker 10: Of any views that I might have had were limited
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Speaker 10: compared to others in the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: My understanding is, and correct me if I'm wrong that
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Speaker 3: you had some concerns that while you had urgent recommendations,
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Speaker 3: they don't be released until the Royal Commissioner's Report, which
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Speaker 3: is in December. Is this correct and if so, what
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Speaker 3: are some of those urgent issues that need to be tackled.
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Speaker 10: I well, my view on that is that is that
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Speaker 10: the first responsibility of government is the safety of the community.
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Speaker 10: Any recommendations or findings from the Royal Commission relating to
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Speaker 10: intelligence and law enforcement by definition, go to the safety
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Speaker 10: of the community and should be made available to the
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Speaker 10: government at the earliest opportunity. I hope that will happen,
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Speaker 10: and I think it's important that any such findings and
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Speaker 10: recommendations not be held over until the final report in December.
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Speaker 10: We are in a situation where the national terrorism threat
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Speaker 10: level remains it probable, there is continuing conflict in the
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Speaker 10: Middle East, and we have a small community in this country,
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Speaker 10: the Jewish Australian community, which at present is living in
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Speaker 10: genuine fear. Therefore, any findings or recommendations that relate in
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Speaker 10: any way to intelligence and law enforcement should go to
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Speaker 10: the government as a matter of urgency once the Commission
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Speaker 10: has made its decisions and findings.
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Speaker 3: I think this is incredibly important. All of those points
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Speaker 3: you make are absolutely correct. So had you expressed this
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Speaker 3: view privately that the recommendations out of the intelligence review
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Speaker 3: relating to any potential failures or just more broadly recommendations,
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Speaker 3: had you expressed the view that these did need to
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Speaker 3: go to the government urgently, But at this point in
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Speaker 3: time they're not. They're being held until the final report.
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Speaker 10: No, they're not being held in the sense that they
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Speaker 10: haven't yet been made. The Royal Commission is still a
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Speaker 10: work in progress. It is to deliver an interim report
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Speaker 10: to the Governor General by the thirtieth of.
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Speaker 5: April.
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Speaker 10: Either just before then or after that. Hearings will begin,
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Speaker 10: and those hearings will probably encompass intelligence and law enforcement matters.
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Speaker 10: Once all that is completed, I believe it is imperative
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Speaker 10: that once the Royal Commission has made its findings and
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Speaker 10: recommendations on law enforcement and intelligence, that they go immediately
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Speaker 10: to the government.
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Speaker 2: Was this an issue of contention and.
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Speaker 10: At this and at this point in time, At this
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Speaker 10: point in time, I do not know whether that will happen.
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Speaker 2: Had this been an issue of contention behind the.
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Speaker 10: Scenes, not an issue of contention, an issue of discussion.
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Speaker 3: Okay, More broadly, this will be one of the shortest
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Speaker 3: Royal Commissions in Australian history.
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Speaker 2: Is this enough time?
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Speaker 3: One year enough time for such an important topic?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 10: I think the I think the Commissioner Bell was very
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Speaker 10: clear in her opening address. She said she essentially said, look,
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Speaker 10: there are lots of peoples and groups in Australia that
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Speaker 10: suffer discrimination. They're all important, however, and they all go
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Speaker 10: to questions of social cohesion. However, this Royal Commission derives
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Speaker 10: from the terrorist attack in Bondi against Jewish Australians on
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Speaker 10: the fourteenth of December. Therefore, she said it was a
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Speaker 10: proke wit that this Royal Commission should focus on matters
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Speaker 10: relating to Jewish Australians. I think she was very clear
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Speaker 10: on that, and she was very proper in drawing a
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Speaker 10: boundary around which she thinks she can properly deliver a
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Speaker 10: report by the fourteenth of December.
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Speaker 5: Of this year.
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Speaker 10: Obviously it can't cover every aspect of social cohesion. That
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Speaker 10: would be impossible to do between now and the fourteenth
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Speaker 10: of December. And she's openly acknowledged that.
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Speaker 3: If she does need more time, even for the narrow
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Speaker 3: focus on antisemitism, should she be given it.
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Speaker 10: Oh my own personal view is that if she was
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Speaker 10: to ask for more time, she would be automatically given it.
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Speaker 10: I think the government would not think twice about that.
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Speaker 3: You have thirty years of experience in the intelligence community
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Speaker 3: and in many other esteemed roles for the government and
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Speaker 3: as ambassador in general terms. Does it concern you that
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Speaker 3: these alleged government were once known to both police and
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Speaker 3: to intelligence agencies, but at the time of the attack
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Speaker 3: were not being monitored.
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Speaker 10: Well, sorry, that goes the whole question of the Royal
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Speaker 10: Commissions and its findings. What you'll just outline there is
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Speaker 10: absolutely a central part of the Royal Commission, and I
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Speaker 10: think you'll find that those matters will be thoroughly addressed
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Speaker 10: both in hearings and in their final and in their
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Speaker 10: report whenever that is.
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Speaker 3: The Director General Evasier Mike Burgess has said in a
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Speaker 3: statement that they'd conducted an internal review and that mistakes
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Speaker 3: weren't made when the alleged shooters were fell off watch lists.
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Speaker 2: Can you comment on this.
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 10: By definition, a Royal Commission has vastly more resources and
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Speaker 10: access to more information than an internal review within one agency. Therefore,
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Speaker 10: I'm sure what Mike Burgers said was sincerely met, but
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Speaker 10: I don't think that in any way can be scene
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Speaker 10: to prejudge the findings and recommendations of the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 10: which will come to its own conclusions, which will take
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Speaker 10: quite frankly, no regard of what any internal review may
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Speaker 10: or may not have said. The Royal Commission will be
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Speaker 10: interested in the internal review, but it will make its
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Speaker 10: own independent assessments.
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Speaker 3: Understood, the alleged shooters were operating in isolation, but Dennis,
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Speaker 3: as you and I both well know, they were also
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Speaker 3: operating within a broader environment of escalating horrific anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: over the past two years.
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Speaker 2: This is a critical point to discuss, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Yes, I mean no doubt Since the twenty twenty third
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Speaker 10: of October, sorry seventh of October twenty twenty three, the
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Speaker 10: escalation in violence against the Jewish community has been disgraceful.
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Speaker 10: I mean I've been to a Jewish school with armed
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Speaker 10: guards on the gates. I know the parents of children
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Speaker 10: at Jewish schools who are paying eight hundred and forty
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Speaker 10: dollars a year per student as a security level levy.
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Speaker 10: And this is in Australia in twenty twenty six. It
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Speaker 10: is I think any right minded person would see that
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Speaker 10: as totally unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: Completely agree.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people understand how difficult and traumatic it
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Speaker 3: actually is within the Jewish community. Denis, I want to
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Speaker 3: ask you, this is a personal view, not in your
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Speaker 3: role as reviewer of the intelligence community, but in your
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Speaker 3: personal view. What is your opinion of how all of
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Speaker 3: our authorities in this nation have dealt with this explosion
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Speaker 3: in anti Semitism since October seven?
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Speaker 5: All right?
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Speaker 10: Sorry, the most Australians don't know anyone who's Jewish because
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Speaker 10: the Jewish Australian community is tiny. It is one hundred
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Speaker 10: and thirty to one hundred and fifty thousand people. What
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Speaker 10: that and what that means is that most Australians don't
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Speaker 10: have an understanding of how certain things connect can affect
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Speaker 10: such a minority of people. The Holocaust fades into memory
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Speaker 10: for a lot of people, for many people. It's last century.
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Speaker 10: For Jewish people right around the world, that is something
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Speaker 10: embedded into their DNA. If I'm honest with myself, some
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Speaker 10: years back, if I had have seen a Castapo sign
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Speaker 10: on a gate or a fence, you know, I would
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Speaker 10: have thought to myself, what idiot has done that. I
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Speaker 10: would not have stopped to think what impact that same
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Speaker 10: sign would have on one hundred and thirty to one
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Speaker 10: hundred and fifty thousand of my fellow Australians. And that
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Speaker 10: is what needs to be more properly understood. And I
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Speaker 10: think the Royal Commission will play a big part in
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Speaker 10: bringing that to attention.
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Speaker 3: But what about the failure of leadership, university leadership, politicians,
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Speaker 3: other agencies such as AFP and others, you know, local
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Speaker 3: state based policing. This rise has continued to escalate since
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Speaker 3: October seven, starting with hate speech, vandalism, escalating fire bombings,
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Speaker 3: a terror attack. Shouldn't agencies and authorities and politicians have
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Speaker 3: all done more?
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Speaker 10: I think, well, I think what you say there? Should
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Speaker 10: we have all done more? The answer to that is yes,
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Speaker 10: And did everyone fully understand what was unfolding?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 10: I think at senior levels in agencies, I think there's
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Speaker 10: a very good understanding of the issues that you go
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Speaker 10: to right through agencies and organizations. Of course you get
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Speaker 10: mixed views and you don't always have proper understanding universities.
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Speaker 10: I scratch my head over that. I don't understand how
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Speaker 10: you can have children on university campuses chanting death to
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Speaker 10: Israel or whatever nonsense, rubbish and vile they were chanting.
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Speaker 10: I don't know how that can happen, and I think
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Speaker 10: I think right across the community we have been a
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Speaker 10: bit too slow in calling it out. It is a
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Speaker 10: good thing the Royal Commission has been called. I think
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Speaker 10: Virginia Bell at a personal level is very conscious of this,
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Speaker 10: and I think I think you'll find her and her
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Speaker 10: counsel will be very motivated by what you say.
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Speaker 3: Dennis, How concerned are you about the threat of radical
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Speaker 3: Islamist extremism in parts of Australia and thus something like
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Speaker 3: Bondai happening again?
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Speaker 5: Oh it is. It is a real concern, Shari.
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Speaker 10: I mean there are, there are, no doubt, tiny numbers
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Speaker 10: of people in this country who think and have a
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Speaker 10: different value set totally alien to a liberal democracy, no.
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Speaker 5: Question.
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Speaker 10: So I think that is real. We do have an
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Speaker 10: elevated national terrorism threat level, which recognizes that you've also
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Speaker 10: got the complexity now of younger people being radicalized and
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Speaker 10: quite quickly. The move from being curious about extremist thought
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Speaker 10: through to embracing extremists thought through to an act of
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Speaker 10: violence can be very quick and it can happen with individuals.
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Speaker 10: So that's a real challenge for agencies. They're not simply
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Speaker 10: looking at organized groups based around certain locations, which is
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Speaker 10: what they could do twenty.
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Speaker 5: Odd years ago.
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Speaker 10: Now you've not only got the challenge of that, you've
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Speaker 10: got the challenge of individuals being radicalized very quickly. And
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Speaker 10: this where the whole question of hate speech comes in.
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Speaker 10: It's where I think the newer laws that have been
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Speaker 10: passed in respect of that are very important that that's
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Speaker 10: been done. So yes, look, everything you point to is
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Speaker 10: spot on.
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Speaker 3: And this is what worries me. We hear that there
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Speaker 3: are some eighteen thousand people give or take on the
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Speaker 3: AZIO watch list, But what about all of those who
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Speaker 3: are not on a watch list?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well that is true, Chari.
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Speaker 5: I mean, what you don't know, you don't know.
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Speaker 10: But equally, for some reassurance, not everyone of a what
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Speaker 10: on what people are on watch lists for multiple purposes,
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Speaker 10: and don't forget people can be on an ASIO watch
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Speaker 10: list for something unrelated to politically motivated violence. They can
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Speaker 10: be on the watch list for other reasons also. But
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Speaker 10: they do try to gray date people in terms of
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Speaker 10: their propensity for violence. That is a very difficult judgment
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Speaker 10: to make, but they work hard at that. Whether they
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Speaker 10: could do it better, I think it's an open question.
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Speaker 10: Whether there are issues there to be addressed. I think
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Speaker 10: in both law enforcement and intelligence, I think that is
28:02
Speaker 10: also an open question.
28:04
Speaker 3: But it'll put a lot of pressure on resourcing having
28:07
Speaker 3: to monitor and constantly assess that number of people eighteen thousand.
28:12
Speaker 2: Maybe there needs to be more.
28:13
Speaker 10: Resource you No, it depends what you mean by monitor.
28:20
Speaker 5: You can't.
28:21
Speaker 10: You can't monitor twenty four by seven, eighteen thousand people.
28:27
Speaker 10: I can assure you not even the FBI can do that.
28:32
Speaker 10: I mean the amount of resources you would need for
28:36
Speaker 10: that would be out of all proportion to the reality
28:40
Speaker 10: of the threat. When you say eighteen thousand people on
28:44
Speaker 10: a threat on a watch list, that implies they're all
28:49
Speaker 10: of equal standing. The challenge for law enforcement and intelligence
28:54
Speaker 10: is to separate that out. Whether they're doing a good
28:58
Speaker 10: nough enough job of That is one of the questions
29:02
Speaker 10: which I think the Royal Commission is going to address.
29:07
Speaker 2: Just finally, the war in Iran.
29:10
Speaker 3: Does this again elevate the terror threat level, if not
29:14
Speaker 3: officially in reality slightly.
29:19
Speaker 10: Yeah, it certainly doesn't elevate it beyond probable unless Asia
29:28
Speaker 10: has information that would lead to that. However, it does add.
29:34
Speaker 10: It does add to the conflict in the Middle East.
29:37
Speaker 10: Conflict in the Middle East unfortunately feeds into Australian community
29:44
Speaker 10: groups and unfortunately, elements of that conflict can lead some
29:51
Speaker 10: people to think about acts of violence. And unfortunately, in
29:56
Speaker 10: these circumstances, it is one small group of Australians that
30:03
Speaker 10: feel under the most pressure, and for very good reasons.
30:08
Speaker 10: The rest of us look at the conflict in the
30:10
Speaker 10: Middle East and we think about it as interested parties
30:15
Speaker 10: or as passer bys. For one hundred and thirty to
30:19
Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty thousand Australians, this is adding directly
30:25
Speaker 10: to the pressures on the way they live, the way
30:28
Speaker 10: their kids go to school, what they do or don't
30:31
Speaker 10: do after school. It is leading to a situation where
30:36
Speaker 10: kids going to sport events require require security personnel so yes,
30:46
Speaker 10: it does add to it does add very directly to
30:52
Speaker 10: the challenge to the challenges we're facing in Australia today.
30:58
Speaker 3: Dennis Richardson to be grateful for your time today, but
31:02
Speaker 3: also want to say thank you for your lifetime of service.
31:06
Speaker 3: And I feel it's regrettable you're no longer part of
31:08
Speaker 3: this Royal Commission, but I thank you for all of
31:10
Speaker 3: the work you put into it.
31:14
Speaker 5: Thank you, Sharhi, thanks a lot, all.
31:17
Speaker 3: Right, And that was Dennis Richardson, And still to come,
31:20
Speaker 3: the spokes kid of Israel will talk about his experience
31:23
Speaker 3: as a child growing up in a world of terror
31:26
Speaker 3: and you. Nationals leader Matt Canavan will join me live
31:29
Speaker 3: after Pauline Hanson accused him of joining the Woke Pylon
31:33
Speaker 3: and he's actually doing the interview from someone's house where
31:36
Speaker 3: he's at dinner.
31:37
Speaker 2: I'll let you know after the break.
31:42
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan has started off as National's leader with his
31:45
Speaker 3: vision for a hyper Australian agenda as he tries to
31:48
Speaker 3: win back voters drifting to one Nation, and he joins me, now, Matt,
31:54
Speaker 3: good to see you, and you've got to tell us
31:57
Speaker 3: you are in the middle of dinner. You've popped out
31:59
Speaker 3: to come and tell Vision whose house are you act?
32:04
Speaker 2: Well?
32:04
Speaker 1: Sharff have just come up the road. It's great to
32:06
Speaker 1: leave Canberra.
32:06
Speaker 9: It's obviously been a very big week, but great to
32:08
Speaker 9: get back up to the bush.
32:10
Speaker 1: I'm here with that Angus Taylors's Tails house.
32:13
Speaker 9: He's been very hospitable tonight, his lovely wife Louise, and
32:17
Speaker 9: we're great mates and it's been great to catch up
32:19
Speaker 9: in a bit more relaxed environment because it has been
32:22
Speaker 9: very busy. But it's a it's a great weight of
32:25
Speaker 9: honor that's been placed on me to lead one of
32:27
Speaker 9: these great parties, Angus two leading a fantastic party in
32:32
Speaker 9: our country. And I just think we've hit the ground
32:34
Speaker 9: a lot of energy, a lot of positivism, a bit
32:37
Speaker 9: of fun. We've got We've got to fight for our country.
32:40
Speaker 9: It's been going backwards now for a while and I
32:43
Speaker 9: think a lot of Australiers are starting to work that
32:45
Speaker 9: out that that's been just aren't what they used to
32:48
Speaker 9: be and maybe.
32:49
Speaker 1: We should change.
32:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're one of your closest friends now. Your
32:55
Speaker 3: rival at One Nation, Barnaby Joyce has said that your policy,
32:59
Speaker 3: your policy persosians, your internal beliefs are actually at odds
33:03
Speaker 3: with the Liberal Party.
33:05
Speaker 2: Have a look at what he had to say.
33:07
Speaker 3: You probably didn't see it because you're eating dinner, But
33:08
Speaker 3: here's what he had to say on Andrew Bolt's program
33:11
Speaker 3: this evening.
33:13
Speaker 12: So often Matt will agree with me. I will agree
33:17
Speaker 12: with Matt, Matt will agree with Pauline. Pauline will agree
33:20
Speaker 12: with Matt. Matt will agree with the One Nation and
33:22
Speaker 12: the One Nation members will agree with Matt. Just that
33:25
Speaker 12: the coalition won't agree with Matt.
33:28
Speaker 3: What's your response to what Barnaby's had to say tonight?
33:31
Speaker 3: Are your positions at odds with the coalition position?
33:36
Speaker 9: Well, number one, they're not showing number two to the
33:39
Speaker 9: extent Barnaby. What Barnaby is saying makes any sense. It
33:43
Speaker 9: was exactly the case when he was deputy prime minister,
33:46
Speaker 9: when he was definitely prime minister.
33:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes the disagreement.
33:49
Speaker 9: Sometimes he had to fight within cabinet, within the party
33:52
Speaker 9: room for the positions of the Nationals Party. But I
33:56
Speaker 9: think Barnaby had a great career as the Deputy Prime Minister,
33:59
Speaker 9: and not with anything that's happened. Barnaby will be remembered
34:02
Speaker 9: as one of the great Nationals Party leaders. But he
34:04
Speaker 9: did that and achieved things in collaboration with a team
34:10
Speaker 9: and in anything in life sharing when you're working in
34:12
Speaker 9: our team, and you do need a team of roughly
34:15
Speaker 9: over one hundred people in the Parliament to make a difference.
34:18
Speaker 9: When you're working a team that large, not every one
34:21
Speaker 9: of them is going to agree with you in every issue.
34:23
Speaker 9: But unless you can work with that team, you'll get
34:26
Speaker 9: nothing done. And so unless we can work with a team,
34:28
Speaker 9: and I've got a great relationship with Angus, I'm very
34:30
Speaker 9: comfortable work very effectively as a team. But unless we
34:32
Speaker 9: can get a group of people in our parliament to
34:35
Speaker 9: do that and work in the same direction for our nation,
34:37
Speaker 9: things won't get better. Things won't change. We won't get
34:39
Speaker 9: our inflation rate down, we won't get interest rates down
34:42
Speaker 9: that people are suffering under. They're possibly going to have
34:44
Speaker 9: to go up further because of this government's economic mismanagement.
34:47
Speaker 9: Barnaby got that before and he's left because he didn't
34:51
Speaker 9: like David Little Proud. I think he's feeling a little
34:55
Speaker 9: bit of bias remorse now. But things have changed in
34:58
Speaker 9: the Nationals Party and he realized this is that collaboration
35:01
Speaker 9: that collaboration, that delivery.
35:03
Speaker 1: That getting kings done is not the hallmark of the
35:06
Speaker 1: One Nation Party.
35:07
Speaker 9: Their record hasn't been to collaborate with others in the
35:10
Speaker 9: Parliament to deliver results for the is trained people.
35:13
Speaker 3: Well, I want to have a look at a couple
35:14
Speaker 3: of issues where you might have or you do have
35:17
Speaker 3: a different policy position from the coalition. Now, just two
35:21
Speaker 3: weeks ago on this program, as America was about to
35:23
Speaker 3: go to war with Iran, you said you didn't think
35:26
Speaker 3: a case had been made for war. Let's have a
35:29
Speaker 3: quick look at those comments.
35:31
Speaker 9: I'm not exactly sure what the case here for military
35:34
Speaker 9: action is.
35:35
Speaker 1: It's a very very serious thing to do. No, if
35:37
Speaker 1: they've got.
35:37
Speaker 12: Nuclear weapons, the world's a very very dangerous place, Matt,
35:40
Speaker 12: and we had to shut them down and shut them
35:41
Speaker 12: off before they get them.
35:42
Speaker 9: This is all the stuff I heard in the two thousands, right,
35:45
Speaker 9: Every same argument was made about Saddami saying, and look
35:49
Speaker 9: how that's turned out, Matt, less safe, We spent more
35:51
Speaker 9: billions of dollars, We've had thousands of people die.
35:54
Speaker 1: Why would we do that again?
35:57
Speaker 2: So, Matt, you compared this Iran war to the Iraq War.
36:00
Speaker 2: Do you still think this.
36:04
Speaker 9: Well, Shari, those were discussions and arguments about the policies
36:09
Speaker 9: of another country. I mean the actions that the United
36:12
Speaker 9: States take in the Middle East are a matter for
36:15
Speaker 9: the United States. Now, I think we have a very
36:18
Speaker 9: good friendship with the United States, where.
36:19
Speaker 2: Once interrupt it is a policy.
36:22
Speaker 3: It is a position that the coalition needs to have
36:25
Speaker 3: as standing on as well. The Albanese government has said
36:28
Speaker 3: they support it, so the coalition also needs to have
36:30
Speaker 3: a position on it.
36:31
Speaker 2: So do you support the war and.
36:35
Speaker 9: Sharry, I absolutely support US sending military hardware to protect
36:40
Speaker 9: our friends and allies. It's very important austrain and lives
36:43
Speaker 9: are at risk in these areas. We have this situation now,
36:47
Speaker 9: we've got to do what we can to help as
36:49
Speaker 9: a country that always helps when conflicts like this arise.
36:53
Speaker 9: But I do also agree with President Trump that it
36:55
Speaker 9: would be great to see this conflict end very soon,
36:59
Speaker 9: as obviously a lot of disruption occurring across the world
37:02
Speaker 9: thanks partly, not wholly, the initial cause here of our
37:05
Speaker 9: fuel crisis in Australia is though that conflict overseas. But
37:08
Speaker 9: we've now got a government that can't seem to fix
37:10
Speaker 9: things when things are a little bit challenging that's causing
37:13
Speaker 9: disruption in our country. It'd be great to see that
37:15
Speaker 9: conflict end as soon as possible in anything we can
37:17
Speaker 9: do to support that as a country, I support the
37:20
Speaker 9: Coalition support.
37:21
Speaker 3: You've already you have become leader and you already giving
37:24
Speaker 3: me waughly answers.
37:26
Speaker 2: Do you support the war in Iran? Yes? Or no?
37:30
Speaker 9: I support I support US ending this as soon as possible.
37:34
Speaker 9: I hope it ends in victory like Donald Trump wants.
37:38
Speaker 1: That's what I support.
37:39
Speaker 3: But did you support America and Israel going into war
37:43
Speaker 3: with Iran?
37:45
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, look a couple of weeks ago, express my
37:47
Speaker 9: concern show you played those at the time I was
37:49
Speaker 9: a senator for Queensland. I've got a different job now,
37:52
Speaker 9: a different job I'm the leader of the National's Party.
37:54
Speaker 9: Or support the coalition policy, but I was very proud
37:57
Speaker 9: of the work I did as a Senator for Queensland.
38:00
Speaker 1: I was always going to stand up for what I
38:01
Speaker 1: believe in.
38:03
Speaker 9: When you become leader, yes, you've got to represent the
38:05
Speaker 9: views of a group of people and I will do
38:08
Speaker 9: that faithfully. And that goes to the point I was
38:10
Speaker 9: making before Shari. I will work together as a team
38:14
Speaker 9: to deliver results and get things done. This particular shit
38:17
Speaker 9: you're raising is, as I say, not even a polity.
38:20
Speaker 9: Well can I just finish? You've interrupt me a couple
38:21
Speaker 9: of times. But this policy're talking me, it's not even
38:23
Speaker 9: a policy, not even a policy of the Australian government.
38:27
Speaker 9: I mean, as I said this week, my number one
38:29
Speaker 9: focus is on making our country better, doing more things Australian.
38:34
Speaker 9: My number one focus is making sure we bring Australian
38:36
Speaker 9: jobs here, that we keep our Australian manufacturing businesses here.
38:39
Speaker 9: Angustara and I are a great Australian business. Easy steal
38:42
Speaker 9: with a guy called Peter this morning, I'm fighting for him.
38:46
Speaker 9: I'm not going to waste my time worrying too much
38:48
Speaker 9: about what's going on overseas. I'm much more interested in
38:51
Speaker 9: improving the lives of Australians.
38:53
Speaker 3: I understand that, and I have no criticism of you
38:56
Speaker 3: having a different view, but you are clearly at odds
38:59
Speaker 3: with Angus Taylor here. He said on my show just
39:01
Speaker 3: last night that if he was Prime Minister, he would
39:04
Speaker 3: be open to supporting the United States and Israel even further. So,
39:07
Speaker 3: how do you overcome these crucial policy I'm.
39:11
Speaker 1: Open to that.
39:12
Speaker 3: I'm totally you haven't asked, You've just said, You've just said, Now,
39:16
Speaker 3: do you believe the United States when it said do
39:19
Speaker 3: you believe the United States when it said that Iran
39:22
Speaker 3: was close to getting a nuclear weapon?
39:26
Speaker 1: To Sharry, I don't know. I don't know.
39:27
Speaker 9: I don't have that information. I have no idea about that.
39:30
Speaker 9: But I do want to support our lives. I do
39:31
Speaker 9: want to support those people in the region. But as
39:34
Speaker 9: I keep coming back to Sharff, my number one focus
39:37
Speaker 9: is on the Australian people. That's that's going to be
39:40
Speaker 9: where I make the fight for improved lives for Australians
39:44
Speaker 9: because we have a great country and we don't we
39:46
Speaker 9: don't have to look overseas for the solutions that afflict
39:49
Speaker 9: our nation. We've got everything here. We need to solve
39:52
Speaker 9: the problems we have.
39:53
Speaker 1: Let's focus on that.
39:54
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you about the fuel crisis,
39:57
Speaker 3: because this is affecting many farmers, many businesses in regional areas.
40:02
Speaker 3: Do you think the Albanezi government should temporarily cut the
40:06
Speaker 3: fuel excise to alleviate some of this price pressure.
40:13
Speaker 9: Look, I think that's probably a question for a few
40:16
Speaker 9: months time. The priority right now is to get fuel
40:19
Speaker 9: to people. I mean, I've been dealing with constituents all week, farmers,
40:24
Speaker 9: small business people in regional areas and country areas like
40:27
Speaker 9: we'rem today, like we'll be going tomorrow in Aubury, who
40:30
Speaker 9: just haven't been able to get fuel. So the issue
40:33
Speaker 9: now is that supply getting that fuel, because that is
40:35
Speaker 9: the difference between a farmer beyond putting a crop right now.
40:38
Speaker 9: That's difference between animals being able to be fed with
40:42
Speaker 9: food in the months ahead. That's the difference between small businesses,
40:45
Speaker 9: trucking companies being able to keep people employed. That is
40:48
Speaker 9: the number one focus right now, get that fuel to people.
40:51
Speaker 9: The government keeps saying that there's no supply problem. Well,
40:56
Speaker 9: there is a supply problem in Aubrey where I'm going tomorrow,
41:00
Speaker 9: where our candid at Brad Robertson had to go to
41:02
Speaker 9: three different petrol stations to fill up to get to
41:04
Speaker 9: camp for the other day. There is a supply problem
41:07
Speaker 9: in Texas, in Queensland with the Mayor Laurence Springboard, Great Queenslander,
41:10
Speaker 9: so they're running out, they're running out of fuel, and
41:13
Speaker 9: so I just want the government to focus on that
41:15
Speaker 9: right now and then if this issue is still an issue,
41:20
Speaker 9: if we still have affordability problems, we'll look at other
41:22
Speaker 9: solutions then.
41:22
Speaker 1: But let's get the fuel flowing as soon as possible.
41:26
Speaker 3: On the economy, this is an area of expertise for you.
41:29
Speaker 3: Inflation is rising under labor, there's already been an interest
41:32
Speaker 3: rate raise.
41:33
Speaker 2: We might be looking at another.
41:35
Speaker 3: There are suggestions from the Albanesi government about cutting the
41:38
Speaker 3: capital gains tax discount. Do you think there needs to
41:41
Speaker 3: be tax reform? Would you support cutting this discount? What
41:45
Speaker 3: other areas do you think need to be tackled.
41:49
Speaker 9: Look, I understand why the Albanzi government wants to cut
41:52
Speaker 9: the capital gains discount because they want to use their
41:54
Speaker 9: high inflation to take more taxes from these trained people.
41:58
Speaker 9: If we cut the capital gains taxes count, that's just
42:01
Speaker 9: an inflation tax on steroids, because it means every time
42:04
Speaker 9: your property value or your asset value goes up with inflation,
42:08
Speaker 9: there's no real increase in value. You're not any more wealthy.
42:10
Speaker 9: There's just been an increase because the price of everything
42:12
Speaker 9: is lifted. You have to pay a tax. You have
42:15
Speaker 9: to pay a tax on inflation. That's why the Obanezy
42:17
Speaker 9: government loves it. They've created the inflation we've got, and
42:21
Speaker 9: then they're going to use that very thing that is
42:23
Speaker 9: crushing the living standards of the Australian people to tax
42:26
Speaker 9: you more at the same time. And so I absolutely
42:29
Speaker 9: reject that because what we need to be encouraging is
42:31
Speaker 9: the strains to invest back in our own country so
42:33
Speaker 9: we can have more Australian jobs. We can keep our
42:35
Speaker 9: manufacturing industry and grow farming, our new tech industries.
42:41
Speaker 1: That's what we need. We need a competitive tax system.
42:43
Speaker 9: This tax and inflation tax will destroy Australian wealth, Australian
42:47
Speaker 9: prosperity and Australian jobs.
42:49
Speaker 3: Are you going to move to the House of Representatives?
42:51
Speaker 3: I mean it is the main game.
42:55
Speaker 9: I've kind of done pretty well as a senator, you know,
42:58
Speaker 9: got me in this position, so I don't necessarily see
43:02
Speaker 9: your need for that.
43:03
Speaker 1: Look, I want to.
43:04
Speaker 2: David Little what I'm focused on, David Little Proud.
43:07
Speaker 1: I would win for the Australian people.
43:09
Speaker 3: But to take the fight to the Prime Minister, I mean,
43:11
Speaker 3: the House of Reps is the place to be. Would
43:13
Speaker 3: you consider running in David little Proud seat?
43:16
Speaker 9: Well, well, Shari, I can't do that before the election. Obviously,
43:21
Speaker 9: I'm in the Senate. I'm going to focus on winning.
43:23
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any problem that you can't do
43:25
Speaker 9: that from the Senate. I'm focused on the Istrailan people
43:29
Speaker 9: and if we do win, if we do win, I
43:31
Speaker 9: think we're gonna win. I don't think anyone will give
43:35
Speaker 9: two hoots that I'm in the Senate.
43:36
Speaker 1: No one will care.
43:37
Speaker 3: All right, okay, so what's for dinner? What is Angus
43:40
Speaker 3: and Louise cooked up?
43:44
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say this. There wasn't a vegetarian option,
43:47
Speaker 1: and I was pretty happy with that.
43:50
Speaker 2: Just as well. I'm not there then, all right, Matt Canavan.
43:53
Speaker 1: Great, we would have done something for you, Shari.
43:56
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would have had the Greens on the side.
43:58
Speaker 2: It's fine. I don't need to eat. Matt.
44:01
Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show as always in
44:02
Speaker 3: a Thursday. See you next week, Thank you and after
44:06
Speaker 3: the break. The eleven year old who's become the voice
44:08
Speaker 3: of the young generation, he'll be here next.
44:16
Speaker 2: Well.
44:16
Speaker 3: Ben Carrasso is just eleven years old, but he's become
44:20
Speaker 3: one of Israel's most visible young advocates, telling the world
44:24
Speaker 3: about the experience of being a child in the wake
44:26
Speaker 3: of October seven. He's spoken about rocket sirens, spending nights
44:30
Speaker 3: in a safe room, and the pain of children whose
44:33
Speaker 3: parents were kidnapped or sent to war. He visited Bondai
44:38
Speaker 3: this week. He's just arrived in Australia from Israel. He
44:40
Speaker 3: caught up with Matilda's family.
44:43
Speaker 2: Have a look.
44:44
Speaker 13: There's a picture of your sister in the middle not
44:50
Speaker 13: rowing in the middle lane.
44:57
Speaker 4: Home with's summer. The sister of matildarous in peace.
45:00
Speaker 13: My message to the world is to never become a
45:04
Speaker 13: bad person. Make sure you're safe and other people are safe,
45:09
Speaker 13: so the world can stay safe.
45:12
Speaker 2: Two amazing kids, and Ben joins me. Now, Ben, you
45:16
Speaker 2: are the youngest person I've ever had on this desk.
45:19
Speaker 2: Welcome to Australia and to this show.
45:22
Speaker 3: Now you started this right after October seven, you were
45:26
Speaker 3: just eight years old.
45:27
Speaker 2: How did you get into being a well known advocate.
45:31
Speaker 4: Well, I had a really good friend of mine that
45:35
Speaker 4: his photo was at the Nova Festival in October seventh,
45:39
Speaker 4: and they didn't know where he was for a couple
45:41
Speaker 4: of months, And in that meantime I spoke in the
45:44
Speaker 4: name of my friend that he didn't have the best
45:46
Speaker 4: English back then. As you said, we were just eight
45:49
Speaker 4: years old. And in that also meantime I met more
45:52
Speaker 4: family members of hostages and hostages, and I got more
45:57
Speaker 4: into this idea of speaking up also on social media.
46:01
Speaker 4: And after a couple of months they found his body.
46:05
Speaker 4: Always at his funeral and from that day, including now,
46:08
Speaker 4: I'm talking about it and sharing it with the world
46:11
Speaker 4: so people would understand what Israeli children go through. You know,
46:15
Speaker 4: it's really important that also there's a lot of soldiers
46:18
Speaker 4: and they that you talk about it in here in
46:21
Speaker 4: the news, but they don't talk about the children, their
46:26
Speaker 4: children that how also they suffer because of this Because
46:32
Speaker 4: I have more friends. For example, I have a friend
46:34
Speaker 4: that his father got really injured during the war, So
46:38
Speaker 4: you hear the story about that, but you don't think
46:40
Speaker 4: or even hear the stories about how he suffers from that.
46:43
Speaker 4: Because he's not the same father that he used to be.
46:46
Speaker 4: You can't play with him the same way. Imagine that,
46:51
Speaker 4: and it's not sad that it's talked about a lot.
46:54
Speaker 4: And that's where I come in. Also in my name
46:56
Speaker 4: the spokeskin of Israel, because I'm spokesman, spoke scared because
47:02
Speaker 4: I'm a spokesperson, but I'm a kid, and I speak
47:06
Speaker 4: in the side. I speak about the side of the children.
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Speaker 2: During this war.
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Speaker 4: And that's also what the name means. And when when
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Speaker 4: I say my name, it comes with the whole story
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Speaker 4: because everyone everyone in Israel has experienced something or knows
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Speaker 4: somebody that's experienced Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I have to say.
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Speaker 3: It blows me away how articulate you are. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you're just eleven. You're less nervous and more articulate than
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Speaker 3: most guests that I have here on the show.
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Speaker 2: Have you what do you want to do when you're
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Speaker 2: an adult?
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Speaker 4: Well, actually I don't know. I'm now focusing on the
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Speaker 4: advocating because I'm still a child.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe a politician or a journalist.
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Speaker 4: Now I don't I don't understand anything in politics, you know,
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Speaker 4: As I said, I'm just a child. Butter, we'll see advocating.
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Speaker 3: Very impressive and you're doing such great work advocating for
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Speaker 3: fellow children in Israel. And thank you so much for
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Speaker 3: being you have a great rest of your trip in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: But before we end, they just want to invite everyone
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Speaker 4: to follow my social media Ben Carrasso on YouTube, Instagram
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Speaker 4: and fish.
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Speaker 3: Sure everyone will be looking you at thanks so thank you,
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Speaker 3: Ben All Right after the break, we'll look at the
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Speaker 3: Teals plan for tax that's next. The Teals like to
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Speaker 3: present themselves as serious, polished, policy minded independence, but when
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Speaker 3: they get their moment to speak in the House of Representatives,
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Speaker 3: what do they ask about?
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Speaker 2: Not tax reform or housing?
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Speaker 3: Best staffing allocations there seems to be their top priority.
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Speaker 2: And even Anthony Albanezi has had enough.
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Speaker 14: Will the Prime Minister commit to ensuring personal staff allocations
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Speaker 14: for non government parliamentarians I decided by an independent body
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Speaker 14: rather than awarded at the discretion of the Prime Minister
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Speaker 14: of the day.
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Speaker 8: The most number of representations that I have had from
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Speaker 8: crossbenches in the House and in the Senate. Isn't about
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Speaker 8: health policy, it isn't about education policy, it isn't about
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Speaker 8: housing policy. It's about their staff.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you Monday at eight. Here's Poul Murray.