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- Lucas: When you think about the biggest industrial disasters in modern history, General Electric usually tops the list. By twenty eighteen, their stock had lost nearly eighty percent of its peak value, and the market was pricing them for bankruptcy. Luna: It felt like they were trying to be everything to everyone, right? From jet engines to financing mortgages. Lucas: Exactly. They were a conglomerate with a financial services arm that rivaled JPMorgan in size. But when the credit cycle turned, that financial arm became a liability instead of an asset. The pivot wasn't just strategic; it was existential. Luna: And John Flannery came in and basically said, we have to sell half the company to save the other half. Lucas: He didn't just say it, he executed it with ruthless speed. He identified three core pillars: Aviation, Power, and Renewable Energy. Everything else—GE Healthcare, GE Capital, NBCUniversal—had to go. Luna: That sounds simple on paper, but selling off pieces of a hundred-year-old brand must have been incredibly difficult internally. Lucas: It was political suicide for many executives. Flannery had to fire senior leaders who resisted the cuts. He also had to write down billions in assets, which wiped out shareholder equity overnight. It was painful, but it was the only way to stop the bleeding. Luna: So the goal was to strip away the complexity and focus purely on the hardware? Lucas: Precisely. They wanted to return to being a pure-play industrial manufacturer. No more betting the farm on financial derivatives or media rights. Just planes, turbines, and grid infrastructure. Luna: Did the market believe him initially, or did they think he was just delaying the inevitable? Lucas: Initially, skepticism was high. Investors hated the write-downs. But as the divestitures progressed, the narrative shifted. By twenty twenty-two, GE had sold GE Healthcare, GE Power, and significantly reduced its stake in NBCUniversal. Luna: I remember reading about the GE Capital winddown. That was essentially closing the bank, right? Lucas: Yes. They liquidated most of GE Capital's assets, paying down debt and returning capital to shareholders. It was a massive deleveraging event. Their net debt dropped from over one hundred billion dollars to roughly thirty billion by twenty twenty-five. Luna: That is a dramatic change in leverage profile. How did that impact their cost of capital? Lucas: It lowered their weighted average cost of capital significantly. Without the drag from the financial services segment, rating agencies upgraded their outlook. Banks started lending to them again at better rates. Luna: So the financial side improved because the operational side got cleaner. Lucas: Right. And operationally, they focused heavily on supply chain resilience. Post-pandemic, their aviation division struggled with engine delays. Flannery’s successor, Larry Culp, doubled down on fixing those bottlenecks. Luna: Larry Culp took over after Flannery stepped down. Was his role more about consolidation than initial restructuring? Lucas: Culp is interesting because he came from Berkshire Hathaway. He brought a capital allocator’s mindset to an industrial company. He focused on free cash flow conversion, not just revenue growth. Luna: Free cash flow is such a key metric for mature industrials. It shows they can actually pay dividends or buy back stock without borrowing. Lucas: Exactly. GE started increasing dividends and initiating buybacks in twenty twenty-four, signaling confidence in their cash generation. The market rewarded that stability. Luna: It’s funny how the same company that was seen as a value trap became a dividend aristocrat candidate again. Lucas: The transformation is still ongoing, though. Renewable Energy remains a challenge due to margin pressure and warranty costs. That’s a area where they’re still fighting to prove profitability. Luna: So Aviation and Power are the cash cows, but Renewables is the risky bet? Lucas: Yes. They’ve recently announced plans to potentially spin off or partner in Renewables to isolate that risk. It mirrors the earlier strategy of stripping away non-core or volatile assets. Luna: That seems like the logical next step if they want to keep the balance sheet pristine. Lucas: Agreed. The lesson here is that scale isn't always strength. Sometimes, complexity is the enemy of survival. Luna: Absolutely. If you find this kind of deep dive into corporate turnarounds useful, consider supporting the show. Honestly, if today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo — that's F. E. X. I. N. G. O. Lucas: Thank you. It really helps us keep these investigations ad-free and in-depth. Luna: Yeah, we appreciate it. Back to GE, do you think other conglomerates will follow this path? Lucas: I think so. Look at Siemens or Honeywell. They’re both simplifying their portfolios. The era of the mega-conglomerate is definitely fading. Luna: What about companies that tried to pivot but failed? Like IBM trying to become a cloud leader? Lucas: IBM is a different story. They pivoted successfully into hybrid cloud and AI consulting, but it took decades. GE’s pivot was faster because it involved shedding assets rather than building new capabilities from scratch. Luna: Shedding weight versus building muscle. Two very different approaches to turnaround. Lucas: Exactly. GE chose to lose weight. It was painful, but it made them leaner and faster. Luna: Do you think the current interest rate environment makes that kind of debt-heavy restructuring harder for other companies now? Lucas: Definitely. Higher rates mean refinancing is expensive. Companies that carried too much debt during the low-rate years of twenty ten to twenty nineteen are struggling now. Luna: So GE’s early action in twenty eighteen gave them a buffer that others didn’t have. Lucas: Precisely. They acted before the rate hike cycle accelerated. Timing mattered as much as strategy. Luna: It’s a reminder that financial health is often about timing, not just tactics. Lucas: True. And for investors, watching how CEOs allocate capital during crises tells you more than any quarterly earnings call ever could. Luna: Good point. What’s the current status of the GE stock relative to its peers like United Technologies or PACCAR? Lucas: GE has recovered significantly, though it hasn’t fully regained its pre-twenty eighteen highs. It’s trading at a more reasonable valuation based on earnings, not speculation. Luna: So it’s a value play now, rather than a growth fantasy? Lucas: Exactly. It’s priced for reality. Which, ironically, is what it should have been priced for all along. Luna: That’s a fair assessment. Do you see any other industrial giants on the brink of similar forced pivots? Lucas: Maybe some automotive suppliers facing the EV transition. They might need to shed legacy combustion engine divisions quickly. Luna: It’s a dangerous game. One wrong move and they’re insolvent. Lucas: Right. But staying static is even riskier. GE proved that sometimes you have to break up to come back together stronger. Luna: A tough pill to swallow, but ultimately the right medicine. Lucas: For sure. As we wrap up, I’m curious if you think the conglomerate model is dead, or if there’s still room for diversified holding companies? Luna: I think the window is closed for traditional conglomerates. Maybe a new form emerges, but the old GE playbook is obsolete. Lucas: Interesting. So maybe the future is specialized, focused players rather than broad diversification. Luna: Looks that way. Unless you’re Warren Buffett, anyway. Lucas: Well, he does things differently. But for most of us, focus is the only way to survive.