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Walter Bosley | Lookout Mountain Air Force Base · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: Hallucinogenic drugs, hypnosis, electric shocks to the brain, some of
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: the methods used in secret CIA mind control experiments.
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  Speaker 2: There are many theories as to what the Shining is
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  Speaker 2: really about, from the faking of the moon landing to
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  Speaker 2: Native American genocide and the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if he did fake the Apollo moon landing, then
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  Speaker 3: he probably has really deep connections into the intelligence world.
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  Speaker 3: Why are there these gigantic continuity errors in this movie?
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  Speaker 4: The occulted meeting has to be comprehensible. It's just hidden,
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  Speaker 4: usually in a very systematic way, so that it could
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  Speaker 4: be understood by someone coming along later on, who knows
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  Speaker 4: what the real meaning is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: We believe that there's something even more sinister lurking beneath
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  Speaker 2: the surface of this masterful film.
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  Speaker 3: So Lookout Mountain Hotel looked a lot like the Overlook Hotel.
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  Speaker 5: You realize there's no such thing as a coincidences like that.
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  Speaker 2: As Lookout Mountain studios ran by the Air Force.
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  Speaker 6: And told the story of nuclear weapons testing by the
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  Speaker 6: United States of.
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  Speaker 7: The Army Navan Air Force. The Air Force was known
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  Speaker 7: to be the most excited, the most turned on by
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  Speaker 7: mk Ultran.
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  Speaker 5: Its prospects reportedly that were more films might at Lookout
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  Speaker 5: Mounting than at all the other film studios in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: We really don't know if these fa his film directors
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  Speaker 3: were being recruited for what project or whatever was it?
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  Speaker 8: The moon Landing.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA's MK Ultra programs were admitted to the public
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five, years before the release of The Shining.
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  Speaker 6: These experiments were done without the informed consent of the patients.
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  Speaker 7: Look at some UFO cases and the things that are
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  Speaker 7: reported tells me that MK ultra is likely being applied.
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  Speaker 9: My MK ultra mind control experience, I was taken to
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  Speaker 9: various military, NASA and DARPA installations for sophisticated mind control programming.
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  Speaker 5: Woke Disney, Marilyn Monroe, James Stewart, Carrie Groan, Ronald Reagan.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody really knows what they were doing up.
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  Speaker 6: There, as well as high ranking military and Department of
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  Speaker 6: Defense personnel.
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  Speaker 3: People don't realize is that many of the people that
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  Speaker 3: worked with Kubrick also worked with Kennedy. This is actually
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  Speaker 3: the smoking gun proving that Kubrick was working with the government.
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  Speaker 5: These were all CIA sponsored experiments.
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  Speaker 7: I said, I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm just gonna bash.
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  Speaker 5: Your brains and putting little symbolic cryptic clues and Easter
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  Speaker 5: eggs pertaining to the fact that they're still doing it.
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  Speaker 2: These clues include a hidden swastika in the background of
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  Speaker 2: his old room.
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  Speaker 9: What was the set up? What it was being told?
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  Speaker 9: And realized that it was a lie all along?
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  Speaker 5: But right there in the narrative in the dialogue, they're
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  Speaker 5: telling you that this was a very real program coming
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  Speaker 5: out of those nice folks in the CIO.
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  Speaker 10: Here's Johnny.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Raised by Giants, another amazing episode here
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  Speaker 2: this evening we are live. Welcome everyone in the chot
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  Speaker 2: get to see you guys, and any channel members or
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  Speaker 2: moderators out there today. We have a very exciting show
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  Speaker 2: for everyone here. And he's in the brand new documentary
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  Speaker 2: at Clockbrook Shunting, which you just watched the trailer for
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  Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime Video that some of you may have
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  Speaker 2: already watched. It's only been out for around two weeks. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I think that this is on the money. Two weeks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it came out a day before the election, so yes,
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  Speaker 2: two weeks, two weeks today. So here on this two
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  Speaker 2: week anniversary. But it's an amazing response so far. The
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  Speaker 2: is in the description and it's pinned to the top
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  Speaker 2: of the chat. If you haven't seen it, please go
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  Speaker 2: and watch it after this show is over and help
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  Speaker 2: support independent filmmakers. Hollywood is dead, it's up to us
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  Speaker 2: to make good content and original concepts. So, without further ado,
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  Speaker 2: he's been employed by the FBI. He is an inactive
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  Speaker 2: reserve officer in the Air Force. For what he served
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  Speaker 2: as special agent and then worked as a counter terrorism
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  Speaker 2: consultant for six years. Following military service, he's an author, researcher, writer,
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  Speaker 2: and investigator. He's in my brand new documentary at Clockwork,
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  Speaker 2: shining on Amazon Prime Video and Apple TV Plus. Walter Bosley,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. How's it going, my friend?
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  Speaker 7: Hey writer, it's going great. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: It's really good to see you, my friend. So you
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  Speaker 2: got a chance to watch the documentary. It's had a
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  Speaker 2: really good response. What did you think of your part
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  Speaker 2: in this movie? Well, first off, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: of the movie as a whole?
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  Speaker 7: I guess well, I got to tell you I loved it,
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  Speaker 7: and just as I've told people elsewhere, you and Jay
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  Speaker 7: did not tell me. I told you, guys, this did
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  Speaker 7: not tell me what your hypothesis was of the film,
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  Speaker 7: and you wanted it to be a kind of a surprise.
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  Speaker 7: So even though I'm in it and you interviewed me,
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know what you were proposing. And wow, it's
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  Speaker 7: the one that works better than any other theory that's
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  Speaker 7: come along. It just rings true. So outstanding job writer.
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  Speaker 7: You really nailed it. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate that. I worked really hard
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  Speaker 2: on it and putting everything together and organizing is really
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  Speaker 2: taxing being a filmmaker and taking it all on yourself.
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate that and appreciate your support. So pretty
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  Speaker 2: much what we talk about in the movie, when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about a lot, it's it's really Stanley cue break
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  Speaker 2: in the Shining and a clockwork orange wrapped up and
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  Speaker 2: kind of disguised as a bunch of other different things.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of different topics in there, and people
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  Speaker 2: that have talked to me and you know, told me
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  Speaker 2: what they thought of the film, they're basically like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a really long time. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that I was awake, you know, I thought that
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  Speaker 2: I knew about some of these things, But the way
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  Speaker 2: that you presented in this movie, it's still like shocking
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  Speaker 2: and mind blowing to me. And we talk about Lookout
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  Speaker 2: Mountain Air Force Base in California, that was a right
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  Speaker 2: in Laurel Canyon and all that area, and Mark Devlin
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  Speaker 2: really brings out that whole aspect of it and all
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  Speaker 2: the films that were made. Have you done any research
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  Speaker 2: or anything looking into Lookout Mountain and the things that
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  Speaker 2: may or may not have been going on, because it's
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  Speaker 2: reported that there were more films made Lookout Mountain Studio
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  Speaker 2: than all of Hollywood up until that point, and most
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  Speaker 2: of them are still classified to this very day.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, Dave McGowan talks about it a bit
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  Speaker 7: in Weird Scenes in Laurel Canyon. That excellent book, which
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  Speaker 7: is a fascinating read and a good companion to any
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  Speaker 7: any examination of MK Ultra applied to the entertainment industry
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  Speaker 7: and the arts. I highly recommend it. My awareness of
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  Speaker 7: what Air Force, the Air Force was doing with films
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  Speaker 7: and things like that was more along the lines of
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  Speaker 7: what I learned about AVIS, which was the Audio Visual
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  Speaker 7: Command of the US Air Force, and interestingly enough, the headquarters,
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  Speaker 7: which makes sense of being California, but the headquarters was
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  Speaker 7: out here at what is now former Norton Air Force Base,
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  Speaker 7: which you can see the flight line from my roof,
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  Speaker 7: and it is now Samernandino International Airport, but the AVIS
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  Speaker 7: building is still there. The the AVS organization was the
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  Speaker 7: one that had invited I believe, Robert Emmenegger, the UFO author,
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  Speaker 7: Jacques Valet and Lenna Moulton Howe out to Norton to
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  Speaker 7: watch films of alleged you know e t landings. And
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  Speaker 7: what I found interesting was I only found this out,
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  Speaker 7: you know, years later, but in the early eighties, I
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  Speaker 7: was in a Super eight filmmakers club, Okay, and the
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  Speaker 7: president of the club was a guy named Keith chardle Well.
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  Speaker 7: Years later I found out that his father worked at
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  Speaker 7: AVIS and was the civilian supervisor or one of the
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  Speaker 7: top dogs at this AVS unit that was out here,
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  Speaker 7: and he he's identified as one of the Air Force
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  Speaker 7: folks involved with inviting Jacques Valet and Lennam Moulton Howe
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  Speaker 7: and Emmenegger to see these films. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 7: that's an interesting synchronicity. And one better on that was
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  Speaker 7: back in eighty one, I think eighty one or eighty two, Keith,
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  Speaker 7: Charle Paul's son had told me that he went to
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  Speaker 7: work for a company called dream Quest, and dream Quest
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  Speaker 7: was started by some guys who got their start from
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  Speaker 7: Douglas Trumbull on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And
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  Speaker 7: there's been a legend going around, and I can throw
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  Speaker 7: my two cents in, but because I heard about this
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  Speaker 7: forty years ago. Over forty years ago, was that the
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  Speaker 7: accountant had told the guys that found a dream Quest
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  Speaker 7: that government money went into close Encounters. Okay, And you know,
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  Speaker 7: later when I learned that who Keith's dad was and
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  Speaker 7: his connection to this whole UFO stuff, and then we
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  Speaker 7: did learn that the I think the budget of Close
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  Speaker 7: Encounters was X million, thirty million, something like that, and
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  Speaker 7: we learned that under the Carter presidency that exact amount
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  Speaker 7: was approved by the government towards the production company. So
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  Speaker 7: it looks like the historical record backs up what Keith
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  Speaker 7: had told me about Close Encounters of the third kind
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  Speaker 7: being financed by the US government. And you know, you
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  Speaker 7: want to throw in the extra little spice that Spielberg's career,
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  Speaker 7: it's like he had somebody looking down on him and
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  Speaker 7: grease the skids and open doors. You know, could it
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  Speaker 7: be you know, connected with then how he got that
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  Speaker 7: money and how he was able to make close encounters.
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  Speaker 7: Was he encouraged to make close encounters by the US
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  Speaker 7: government for whatever reason? It could have been a perception
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  Speaker 7: management thing all along. But that's my extent. There's my
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  Speaker 7: extent of the knowledge of the weird skullduggery going on
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  Speaker 7: with the Air Force media. I never as an agent,
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  Speaker 7: even when I was in Los Angeles for two years
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  Speaker 7: my first assignment, I never had to go to this
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  Speaker 7: Air Force studio out there. I never had anything that
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  Speaker 7: crossed my path with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it probably would have been shut down by the
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  Speaker 2: time that you were in service. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: of Do you think that because you're talking about Jacques
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  Speaker 2: Vallet and Lindham and how getting these videotapes of UFOs
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  Speaker 2: and showing them, do we know if those were what
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  Speaker 2: kind of videos.
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  Speaker 7: Those were film? It was filmed. They they had to
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  Speaker 7: come out to the base. According to their story, they
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  Speaker 7: had to come out to the base and watch the
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  Speaker 7: film projected for them.
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  Speaker 2: There was the military, the military was showing them.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they had to come out to Norton and
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  Speaker 7: Paul Shardle and this other guy I believe an officer
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  Speaker 7: active duty member were the ones who you know, facilitated
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  Speaker 7: this viewing. And I think it includes I think Linda Moulton.
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  Speaker 7: How Linda, I've met her, so I'm gonna call her
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  Speaker 7: Linda instead of repeating the name over and over. Uh.
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  Speaker 7: I believe Linda said that's when she saw the so
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  Speaker 7: called Holloman based landing video, that one we've heard about.
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  Speaker 7: Figure Yeah, and I forget what they showed Valet, and
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  Speaker 7: you know they came away with claiming there was some
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  Speaker 7: type of Devil's deal or or something like that. To me,
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  Speaker 7: it smacked up a perception management thing. You know, Oh,
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  Speaker 7: let's invite these big voices out who who the UFO
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  Speaker 7: community will listen to, and let's uh show them a
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  Speaker 7: landing and and get them to promote our sp.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds about right. I mean, if you were the military,
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  Speaker 2: you would like, why wouldn't you show people fake UFO footage?
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  Speaker 2: I mean they've been known to do that with documentation.
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  Speaker 2: They show a bunch of fake documents and then throw
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  Speaker 2: at people and let them run with it. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's that exact same thing happened to Linda Moulten how
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  Speaker 2: that Richard Doughty was involved with and he got her
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  Speaker 2: on a bunch of things. So it's not out of
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  Speaker 2: the realm of possibility that maybe they filmed some because
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  Speaker 2: Lookout Mountain had several film studios up there, there were
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  Speaker 2: several recording studios. All the footage that is in our
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  Speaker 2: documentary is all real footage from Lookout Mountain, and so
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  Speaker 2: it's not out of the realm of possibility that who
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  Speaker 2: knows what they were actually filming up there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the common thing is that it was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: military videos, which I'm not doubting. I'm sure that they
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  Speaker 2: also did a lot of military training videos as well.
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  Speaker 7: But oh yeah, yeah, that's that's why there's so many too,
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  Speaker 7: is that you know they were they were taking care
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  Speaker 7: of all that stuff as well. Now it might be
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  Speaker 7: here's the thing. It might be because when you see
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  Speaker 7: the building was what we call the Avis Building, it
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  Speaker 7: was pretty big. I mean it was It's a big, square,
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  Speaker 7: concrete exterior high rise. Not not like real high but
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  Speaker 7: I would say equivalent of, if I had to guess,
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  Speaker 7: because I'm not looking at it right now, like a
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  Speaker 7: four story maybe five story building, which it would be
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  Speaker 7: large enough to house some studio space. It could be
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  Speaker 7: that Avis replaced Lookout Mountain once Lookout Mountain was closed.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
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  Speaker 7: Now remember remember Mark McCandlish, rest is soul a good
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  Speaker 7: guy in the whole thing about his source for the ARV,
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  Speaker 7: the alien reproduction vehicle. You know, at one point one
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  Speaker 7: of the witness said that he was invited to look
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  Speaker 7: at it in a hangar at Norton. And then also
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  Speaker 7: in the rosay l e. T Lore, they claimed that
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  Speaker 7: the roswell craft for a time was housed here at Norton.
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  Speaker 7: So Norton has a history with UFO stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 7: legendary UFO stuff, So it wouldn't surprise me that that's
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  Speaker 7: why those folks were brought out here to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, according to lore, the freaking.
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  Speaker 8: Roswell craft got around. Bro, that one got the.
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  Speaker 2: Right power, that one got the supposedly is a big
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  Speaker 2: olwer aerospace.
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  Speaker 8: No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I can't keep trying of it at all, right, it's
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  Speaker 2: all over the place.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to figure out there may be
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  Speaker 7: a clue.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: Norton was a military airlift command base, so we had
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  Speaker 7: a lot of one forty one transport aircraft it when
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  Speaker 7: it closed down, and then sam Bernardino County bought it
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  Speaker 7: and turned it into this airport. For many years it
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  Speaker 7: was just a maintenance an aircraft maintenance airport. Now they
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  Speaker 7: have a terminal with this little airline called Skyway or something,
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  Speaker 7: and there's only two flights and they are going to
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  Speaker 7: try to actually make it a working airport. But for
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  Speaker 7: the longest time it was a maintenance airport. So maybe
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  Speaker 7: that's a clue as to why you know, the craft
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  Speaker 7: you know might have been brought here. But I will
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  Speaker 7: tell you something else that a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 7: know about Norton. Right here in this part of the
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  Speaker 7: Sameronnadino Valley, we have this weird advantage. It happens right
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  Speaker 7: here where I live all the time. Redlands, the Mountains, Salmonadino,
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  Speaker 7: right next door up the Ea Kaipa. All around us
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  Speaker 7: can have thundering rainstorm and we get nothing. It's this weird,
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  Speaker 7: anomalous pocket of clear weather. This for years. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know if it is still anymore, but for years this
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  Speaker 7: was one of the spots that Air Force one would
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  Speaker 7: come to if there was bad weather at all. The
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  Speaker 7: other airports in southern California when it was an Air
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  Speaker 7: Force base and after it became the Air Force. So
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  Speaker 7: maybe this weird, anomalous you know, area that we're in
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  Speaker 7: here that causes that might have something to do with
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  Speaker 7: why they would bring, you know, something like that here
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  Speaker 7: if you believe it was an extraterrestrial craft, which I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't either, and I think any of it's extraterrestrial craft.
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  Speaker 2: But we're gonna get more into that here in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Now. You mentioned in the documentary about your
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  Speaker 2: father being in the Air Force, and I know you've
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  Speaker 2: written extensively about your father and what he went through
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  Speaker 2: in your books, but maybe a.
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  Speaker 8: Little bit more on.
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  Speaker 2: What it is that what exactly from your understanding that
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  Speaker 2: he was involved with and kind of what makes you
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  Speaker 2: believe that he was had some sort of MK ultra
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  Speaker 2: mind control done to him before or after his service.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was in the right place at the right time.
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  Speaker 7: He was in the right command during the time that
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  Speaker 7: the Air Force had first established its own MK ulture program.
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  Speaker 7: He was in the Aerospace Medical Division of the US
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  Speaker 7: Air Force, and that was the It sounds like oh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, ho hum, you know, Oh, they run the hospitals, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: it's all medical treatment stuff. Well, here's the thing. The
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  Speaker 7: aerospace medical division of any military air force, be it
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  Speaker 7: ours or the guys who we brought over an operation
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  Speaker 7: paperclick the Luftwaffe. The aerospace Medicine division of any air
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  Speaker 7: force or military is where you find the beginnings of
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  Speaker 7: any manned space program pursued by that nation. And that
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  Speaker 7: is exactly what the US Air Force was doing in
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  Speaker 7: the nineteen fifties with their Aerospace Medical Division, and my
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  Speaker 7: dad he was what you call a physiological training specialist.
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  Speaker 7: One of his duties was to run pilots through the
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  Speaker 7: altitude chamber to get them used to hypoxia and high
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  Speaker 7: altitudes and being able to work their life support systems
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  Speaker 7: at high altitudes. You know, test that stuff on the ground, right,
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  Speaker 7: you don't wait to put them up in an airplane.
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  Speaker 7: And altitude chambers can be deadly. You can die horribly
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  Speaker 7: in those things. He told me about some of the
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  Speaker 7: gruesome suicides that had happened in using those Now here's
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  Speaker 7: the thing. My dad went in in nineteen fifty five,
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  Speaker 7: and it was in the early fifties that the CIA
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  Speaker 7: brought in the military branches and talked them about MK
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  Speaker 7: Ultra and the Air Force, matter of record, was the
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  Speaker 7: most keenly interested, the most turned on by this. And
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  Speaker 7: the historical record I'm referring to the testimony given in
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  Speaker 7: the Church Committee in the seventies. The historical record says
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  Speaker 7: the Air Force was the one branch that went off
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  Speaker 7: and started its own independent MK ulture program within the
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  Speaker 7: Air Force, within the psychiatric section of Aerospace Medicine Division,
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  Speaker 7: And by the time my dad came in, they would
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  Speaker 7: have been doing this for a couple of years now.
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  Speaker 7: My dad worked in Air Force space program related things.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people don't know that the Mercury Space program,
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: the program which was made famous by the movie and
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: the book and the movie The Right Stuff, right, the
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: one with the black capsules and the silver space suits
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: and you know, the one astronaut per craft in the
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: early sixties, this is depicted. Well, this was started by
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: the US Air Force. They were working on this as
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: early as nineteen fifty six, fifty seven. The capsule had
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: been designed, the suits, the silver suits had been designed.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: My dad's unit at George Air Force Base was part
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: of the ground testing of the Mercury astronaut suit okay,
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: and so he had a pretty high clearance to work
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: with that stuff because naturally, this was during you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: this was the first the Cold War was only ten
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: years old at this time, and so he had to
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: have a pretty high clearance to be able to work
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: with the Space program stuff. So by virtue of that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: my dad was working with some pretty classified secret stuff. Okay. Now,
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: from my perspective as a former OSI agent an Air
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Force officer, it looks to me like because of the
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Cold War intensity, right, they were looking likely for a
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: way to protect secrets. They were likely looking for a
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: way to prepare their personnel to not give away secrets
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: inadvertently or made even keep the secrets suppressed under torture, right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: under duress. So yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking that
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: they were interested in. Primarily because we know that MK
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: Ultra was developed a great deal to help pilots if
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: they were shot down, you know, bomber pilots that they
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: were shot down over China. Yeah, to resist interrogation. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: why not train your personnel, even who work on classified
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: things here? You know, you you use the psychic driving,
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: you use the false narrative. So in my book, shimmering light.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: As you know, I go into the possibility that he
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: did his secret work, okay, and a false something happened
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: when it was time for him to leave the project
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: and leave the Air Force. They laid a false narrative
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: over what he was really doing. And it could be
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: that this false narrative was the story that held you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: most of the elements of the wilder elements, the story
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: he told for decades, you know. And actually what that
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: was was was that false narrative, the more fantastic version,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: so that right if he talked about it, few people
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: would believe in And you know, over the years, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: I was told this when I was in the Air Force.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: I was told this by a superior officer that they
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: had used the way he described. He says, they used
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: hypnosis on your dad to suppress what he knew and
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: what happened to him. And you know, it is why
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: he got out of the Air Force, because something he
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: was involved with, something went wrong, and he ended up
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: being released early honorable discharge. I have his records. His
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: records say excellent character, excellent efficiency, you know, top notch.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: He was a staff sergeant. Air Force had no problem
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: with him. But something happened and he was released early,
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: and my mom told me that for several months right
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: after he was released, he would be just suddenly terrified
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: and just be screaming in terror in his sleep, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: she'd wake him up and he'd sit up and go,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: what what's wrong, Like he wasn't aware of anything.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make sense that the Air Force would
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: be doing that for a multiple multitude of reasons, just
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like a lot of the other you know, mk ultra
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: programs the military was also involved with. Some of the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: most early ones was the Army mk ULTRAP. Well, it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: kind of tricky because it's not necessarily like they weren't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: mind controlled programs per se.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: They were more.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Like substance experiments that were being run on the army.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: They were using like a multitude of drugs, and then
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they would have like these army personnel just like sign
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: up as like volunteers, and then all that they were
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: told was, hey, you're gonna we're gonna be experimenting with
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: some some substances with you. They don't tell you what
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: they are, and you go in and you inhale the substance.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's one of those like it's like a dropper
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: that they drop on your skin. It's got a different
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: name from it. It's like B two two three or
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: something like that, but it's a different kind of hallucinogenic substance.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: But the one that they tested on the most was
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a drug called b Z which is like one hundred
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: more times powerful than LSD that would just put people
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: out of their mind for weeks at a time. Now,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: did your father ever mention to you anything about UFOs
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: or extraterrestrials and and do you think that you just
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: mentioned that they were trying to kind of maybe put
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a screened type of well, people will call them screen memories,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: but they're also false memory and they're implanted on him
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to cover up the real thing. And do you think
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that that is the information about the UFOs and the aliens.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: I think that what is possibly the false narrative is
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: here's what he said. Here's the interesting thing. He said
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: that when basically he was at advanced training, okay at
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: Gunner Air Force Base in the summer of nineteen fifty eight. Okay,
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: at that time, remember, the Mercury space program was in
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: the hands of the Air Force. It was an Air
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: Force program. NASA was not stood up until October of
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: that year, nineteen fifty eight, and then Mercury I like
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: to say public Mercury was handed over to NASA. Doesn't
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: mean the Air Force ever really stopped. But so there
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: he is at Gunner Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama,
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: at this advanced training and then one day he and
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: two other guys are ordered to get a report to
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: this plane and they're going to be going to Texas
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: where Randolph and Kelly and other intel and training stuff
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: is and somewhere over Mississippi, Louisiana around there. The plane,
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: he said, the plane take a northern bank, it turns,
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: starts heading north, and from the front cabin, the forward cabin,
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: this officer comes out, a guy named he said his
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: name was Milton Knight, a major, and Major Knight informed
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: them that they were not going to Texas. They were
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: going to Ohio to Wright Patterson. And he says that
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: when they got there, they were all checked and everything.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: And now remember he started telling me this in nineteen
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: seventy four. This part of it where they were taken
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: to right pat and they were shown the remains of
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: occupants of a craft that had crashed in New Mexico
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: in the late forties. Okay, he's telling me this in
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: nineteen seventy four, me and my sisters, and you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: all through the years as Roswell became well known and
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: immediately immediately ET was slapped over it because back then,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: remember Colonel HoTT, you know, said oh, it was a
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: flying saucer from another world, and all that controversy he said,
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: and he insisted for years. He goes, these people, these
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: you know, remains he saw on this craft. He goes,
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: they were not aliens from outer space. They were they
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: share this planet with us. Okay, but he insisted, because
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: they're not ets, and they're not little grays. They were
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: not these little grays. He used to laugh at that
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: and get aggravated about it every time that was shoved
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: down our throat. Okay, over the decades, he'd say, this
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: is ridiculous. It wasn't that. He said. They looked as
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: human as you and I, only they had little to
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: no body hair, and they were just a little smaller
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: than our stature, but not these little three foot tall grays.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: And and you know, it just was something he said,
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: That's not it, that's not who they were, what they were.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: But I think that where the story about where they
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: came from and the fact that they were here could
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: have been could have been the false narrative. I'm not,
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: I'm not. I don't know for sure, because I was
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: told by this the the person who told me when
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: I was on active duty that the mind, the hypnosis,
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: the MK ultra, so to speak, had been done to him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: I was told that, look, it's breaking down. It's been
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: breaking down over the years. It explained my dad. They
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: used to say manic depressive, we say bipolar. I said,
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: you know, your dad kind of is bipolar, and like, yeah, yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: my dad's a kind of a moody guy. And and
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: he said that was exacerbated by what they did to
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: him with this hypnosis, because they keyed it to the
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: phases of the moon. On the full moon, what they
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: did would reset to keep it suppressed. It was like
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: a self and if you go, if you go look
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: at the history of MK, they were always looking for
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: that they talk about, they were always looking for a
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: way to make it kind of reset itself automatically. Well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: according to what I was told, they did it to
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: the full moon. So every month of my dad's life
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: after he got out of the Air Force, there's the
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: full moon and it would reactivate. But I was told
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: that it would it would weaken over the years, over
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: the decades, and that was what was happening. So you
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: have to consider, Okay, was what he was telling me
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: about the people who live in the underground crashed this
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: thing that they were flying. Is that the false narrative
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: or is that the truth they were suppressing? See, that's
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: that's what I don't know for sure, but I have
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: to consider that that was the false narrative because you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: he was, you know, maybe working on something that was
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: Cold War sensitive and highly classified, and they didn't want
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: that getting out, so better that they tell this wild
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: story about people in the underground. Same like, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: the same reason Like when Colonel Hout says, oh, it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: a flying saucer from another world in nineteen forty seven,
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: you know, that could have been a false narrative, folks.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So how would they even know? That's like the thing
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like if you're involved in like a classified project, everything
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: is compartmentalized, like you're not going to know if you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: not directly involved in that top secret project. Yeah, you
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Exactly exactly, So you know it's it's a weird thing.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: I've always found I've always found it very interesting because
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: you know, here I am, I get into the Air Force.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: I have a pretty good clearance because what I did,
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: and I'm told by a superior officer who I was
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: close to, this stuff about my dad, and it fits,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: it matches. And when I get his medical record finally
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: years later, it fits and it matches. So you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: what is the truth. I'm still trying to find the
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: confirmation on that because there you know, as I say
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: in my book, there is reason to accept I don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: like to use the word believe, accept the possibility that
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: we do share this planet with another civilization. It's there
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: is a possibility of that that's been in every culture's
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: mythology and lore. And think about it, where do we
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: get a lot of mythology and low there's a nuggetive
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: truth to a lot of that stuff. You know, something
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: that's true over the ages gets retold, retold to where
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: then eventually, oh that's our mythology, that's our lore. Well
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: maybe it was true, and with time it has become
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: mythology and lore because we don't have personal confirmation of it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: So you know, I have to as a as a
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: train and experience criminal investigator, and intel collector. I have
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: to acknowledge that my dad's the wilder parts of my
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: dad's story could have been a false narrative because he
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: again right place, right time, right branch, right command, right
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: era to have been mk ultrade and I could totally
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: see the Air Force this was a shiny new toy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: Hey guys, you want to be part of something special,
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: serve your country. It's so classified that when you're done,
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: we're going to suppress it. You don't have to ever
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: worry about spilling the beans because you won't remember it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: We're going to put something else in there. And I
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: guarantee you that Air Force personnel. Military personnel is like, yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: count me in. I want to be part of the team.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: I want to do this. It was there was probably
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: a level great level of innocence to it, you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm trying to find the name. I know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I wrote the name of this drug down. But this
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: drug that they were testing these army people in some
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of the earliest projects, there was a drug that did
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: that that they would take and it would erase their memory.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't be able to remember what had happened to them.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And this one gentleman was on a documentary on HBO.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of the documentary because I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: watched it really late, but he was talking about how
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: he got his army records back and he realized that
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: they were doing all of this testing with drugs on him,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and there was one that he absolutely did not remember.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And then he looked up what the drug was used
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: for and how it was used, and it's like a
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: memory suppressing drug, you'll and he put two and two
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: together that because there was a bar that was right
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: outside of this army base where they would have these
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: experiments done and a lot of the people would go
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to the bar afterwards, and he was like, hey, they
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: probably spiked our drinks with this drug and did whatever
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it is that they do because I.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: Don't remember it. I don't remember this this project. I
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: don't remember this program. But here are my records, and
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: it's saying that I was involved in this project, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: I do not remember it. And that kind of that
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: gets into, you know, our hypothesis within the Shining too,
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: and maybe it's a high possibility that Jack Torrance within
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: the Shining was drugged by Lloyd the bartender, because he
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: doesn't experience anything strange until after he takes that first
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: drink of alcohol provided to him by Lloyd. And then
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: we have the exact same real life experience happening with
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: Frank Olsen that that same thing happened with Sidney Golllieb
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: spiked his drink. And then you mentioned also in a
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: documentary of an LSD aerosol that's just been sprayed in
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: the air upon unknown suspects.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and you know, think about that. I think
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: that was in the earlier mid sixties or maybe during
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: the you know, the even the into the late sixties,
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: and you know, think of the context of the whole
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: the whole hippie scene, and think of what Dave McGowan
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: rights in weird scenes in the Canyon about Laurel Canyon.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: There they were doing those kinds of things in that
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: apartment in San Francisco. You have to wonder, if you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: new to this, you have to wonder what else were
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: they doing in San Francisco, What what were they doing
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: in la What were they doing you know, to us
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: with this whole within this whole hippie movement. Of course,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: there was a legitimate, you know, part of it. But
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: that subculture is one of those ones that would be
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: easy to embed agents in, very easy, you know, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: we know the Army got in trouble for embedding agents,
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: you know, domestically in the US without you know, when
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: you're in the military. When I was an agent for
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: the Air Force, anything I did domestically, it either had
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: to be on base or I did most stuff off
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: base because I was counterintelligence guy and it was I
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: was always working with the FBI. But we you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: you're a military agent, you just you do stuff off
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: that base. You got to be coordinating with the local
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: police or the FBI, you know, the FED because you're
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: a military agent, and there's all the posse committatis laws there.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: You know. After the Civil War in reconstruction, you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: we wanted to make sure there was a division between
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: what the military did, you know, in our civilian world,
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: in our civilian cities. So you know, we know the
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: Army broke that rule and got in trouble for it
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: in the sixties and seventies. So you know, what was
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: the CIA doing.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and I think it's a big shocker too.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It was a big shocker for me, even while I
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: was making the documentary that you know, the music industry
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: of the sixties and how all these people are tied
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to high ranking military like their family are in high
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: ranking military, but physicians or fathers are mostly in high
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: ranking military positions. And it's like it's like a it's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like a check on your on your mind because you're like, wow,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: this is the reason why these people they You can
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: be the greatest singer in the world, you can be
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the greatest musician in the world, and it really doesn't
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: matter because you're not a part of this group. You're
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: not a part of this family. You don't have the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: people behind you that's going to propel you forward. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you can be the greatest guitar player ever and it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: not going to matter if your dad's a freaking plumber.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that that has happened. Certainly, that has happened.
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: You know how many talented people have we never heard of,
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: you know, because of this kind of thing. I mean,
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: you know it's nefarious enough just you know how the
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: entertainment industry has its own gatekeepers, you know, without this
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: extra weird element of Uncle Sam in the intel community
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: being involved in that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: Well again, you know how if you're someone who cares
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: about the arts, you know how have the art's been
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: hurt because of who's been suppressed because they just aren't
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: useful to an agenda?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I wish I could find the name of this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I know that I wrote it in my notes in
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: my phone when I cannot find it, because I knew
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that it was going to be important for some time
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: in the future. Oh, it's e A. E A two
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: three three is the name of the drug e A
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: two three three. Okay, let's look this bad boy up.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: EA two two three three Boom. Okay. It's a synthetic
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: cannabinoid and analog of THHC. It was invented in nineteen
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: forty nine along during attempts to educate structure of THHC.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: One of the acts components of cannabis. The d MPH,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: is a pale yellow various oil which is isola wool
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: in water and dissolves in alcohol and is normally applied
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to the skin. Yeah, that would be the drug, the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: memory loss drug. I have to read more about how
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: if it's if it actually does but Edgewood Edgewood Arsenal
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: was where these army experiments first happened, and that was
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: established in nineteen forty eight, so that was really quickly
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: after the war. That's where all the army personnel and
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: then they would do like open air testing of BZ
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: where they would do like a simulation of you know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a battle and then they would just have BZ and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: barrels just like flooding out and like hitting the wind
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and it was hitting all these soldiers. Then they were
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: going out of the mines and then they would grab
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: them off of the simulated battlefield and take them into
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the facility and ask them all these questions and like
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: study them and is wild.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah it And and when you when you realize
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: how long you know they were they were playing with
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: this stuff, you know, think about it. We got mk
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: ultra from the Germans through Operation paper Clip. Essentially. It
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: now our are our specialists are scientists who did it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: They were aware of the work that German and I
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: think Swiss scientists were doing along these lines. They were
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: aware that this kind of research was going on, but
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: we really got our hands on it through Operation paper Clip.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of people who think Operation
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: paper Clip was all about getting the guys to design
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: the bomb. No, no, no. Operation paper Clip wasn't even
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: an American idea. It was pitched to Colonel Harry Armstrong
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: by an aerospace medicine scientist of the LUFFWAFFA in in
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: the last year of the war. He gave him the idea, said, hey, Colonel,
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: you knew him as Harry because these guys were all
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: specialists in this stuff, and they'd known each other since
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: the nineteen twenties, and they were all obsessed with putting
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: man in space. That's what it was really all about,
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: this aerospace I think it was might have been strug
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: or one of them obviously said hey, I can get
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: you a whole bunch of our guys and will happily
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: work for the United States. Just bring us in to
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: the US. I see Operation Pariperclip as a complete trojan horse. Okay.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: That was the silent invasion of the real core, hardcore
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: movement that was behind the rise of Nazi Germany. And
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: this is what they do. They'd done this since medieval
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: era with the Prussian yunkers class. They would do this.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: They would attach themselves and ingratiate to a host. They
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: would use that host, and then they would start soliciting
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: a relationship with that host enemy, and then they would
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: ingratiate themselves with that host enemy and then destroy the host.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: I think that's what they're doing in the United States.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: They we're the host. They got into us through Operation
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: paper Clip because they seduced us with Hey, all US
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: aerospace medicine guys from the LUFUFFE, we know how to
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: put man in space. Okay, So you know, of course
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: the United States said, yeah, let's get these guys in here,
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: because they're going to be great for the you know what,
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: the air for the Army Air Corps, you know, to
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: help end the war and after the war, for what's
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: going to go on. You know, the whole thing about
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: keeping aircrews alive in the high altitude bombers. Yeah, that
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: that's exactly what they were initially part of. But that
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: was a side product that was just a result on
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: the way to putting man in space. From the nineteen twenties.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: All these same group of guys who knew each other
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: on opposite sides of the war, but they knew each
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: other before the war. They were always dedicated to putting
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: man in space. That was their obsession, and so after
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: the war they continued that obsession and the idea of
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: the life support systems in high altitude bombers and recon aircraft.
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: That was just a step along the way of them
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: wanting to put man in space, which is what I
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: argue Roswell actually was was the first American attempt to
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: put man in space. And because it was the Cold War,
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: oh boy, that was the biggest secret. So the whole
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: thing about it being ET folks, right now, there's going
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: to be people in the live chat, people in your audience.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: I hate that Bosly guy. He doesn't believe in our
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: beloved gospel of the ET. Oh no, he's one of those.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: But here's the thing, you know, they point to, there's
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: so many witnesses to Roswell Well, they choose to ignore
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: Carl Flock's work because, oh he used to work for
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: the CIA, And Carl Flock is just one of the
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: people who went out and investigated and found out that
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: some of these so called witnesses could not possibly have
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: witnessed what they claim. Some of them don't even exist,
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: like the nurse one of you know, the one nurse
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: that they talk about and in one of them admitted
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: to lying. The whole myth of Roswell being an ET
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: thing is just that, it's a myth. And I say
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: it was a myth propagated by the Department of Defense
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: wanting to keep that narrative with Roswell because they did
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: not want what it really was to come out. And
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: you just now the whole ET hypothesis has become nothing
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: more mostly a religion, you know, the the the Gospel
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: of you know, the Catechism of Disclosure, disclosure and this,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: that and the other end. And these people are falling
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: for it, you know, hook line and sinker. They think
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: they think lou Elisondo is a legitimate store. They think
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: Bob las are I mean Bob Lazar.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Come on, Rogan will prop up Bob Blazar all day.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: But before we get onto that, I think I've mentioned
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to you to this before because we were talking about
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Project paper Clip. But this is the Russian version of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Project paper Clip, which is Operation or Vaskelheim. I don't
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: think that's the right pronunciation. I'm not Russian, so forgive me.
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: So.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Operation vro Hoskalheim was a Soviet operation under which more
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: than twenty five former Nazi German scientists, engineers, and technicians
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: worked for several areas for companies and institutions relevant to
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Germany and Berlin, as well as around four thousand more
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: family members. Totally, more than six thousand people were transported
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: from former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think enough people bring that into play as well,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: because on the books, Russia I got more on the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: books now people have estimated that the United States got
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: as many as like twenty thousand, right, but officially on
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the books, it's like sixteen hundred or fifteen hundred that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: the United States got. But then Russia turned around and
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: got six thousand of them, and I think that they
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: got them before the United States got them. So it
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: could also have been something along the lines of, you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: also too with it being a you know, more of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: a German idea to infiltrate into the United States, it
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: also could have been, oh, well, look at the Russians.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: They're they're they're just rounding up all these people that
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: are transporting them on train right into the Soviet Union.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: We got we gotta do that too, or we're going
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to be behind because we've always had this thing, this
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: weird thing with Russia, you know, especially during the Cold War.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: We can't let them get any of our technology. You know,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: we're we got to be ahead of them in the
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: space race. We got to be we got to do
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: open up remote viewing programs because we've heard through intelligence
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: data collection that they have a remote viewing program. So
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: we got to in our psychics even more so, it's
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: always been this back and forth between the United States
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and Russia. I don't know, that's just the thought.
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: That's not a confirmed but here's what could adjust how
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: we think about that. I always make a point, and
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: I know you're aware of this. I just I always
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: make a point that when we're talking about Cold War,
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: I refer to the Soviet Union, not Russia, because Russia,
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: as we know exists again today as such, and the
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: Russia today and in the Russia since the fall of
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: the Wall. Okay, it's not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union,
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: they were an enemy, Okay, not maybe exactly how it
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: was fun, but we needed to be concerned about them
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: to an extent. And on the flip side, they from
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: their perspective, they could say the same thing about us.
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: We were the two big rival powers, right, so naturally,
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: you know, and we had a fundamental difference in political
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: and economic and social philosophy. Right, so, uh, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: I can I can understand why there was the the concern.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: I can understand why. Yeah, if we got some Nazi scientists,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: they wanted to get some too. But consider this that
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: the ones that are certain core at least are the
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: ones who went to Russia or the Soviet Union. They
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: were doing trying to attempting to do the same thing
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: to them that they were doing to us, and that
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: was to gratiate themselves. Work, you know, work inside choo
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: choo choo, get get influence over industry, get influence over
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: politicians and so forth, and influence you know, the society
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: to support what it is you wanted to achieve. In
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: our case, and I think in this to a degree,
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: in the Soviet Union it was number one a space program.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: These guys were obsessed with getting a space program. Now
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: in the United States and Russia, we were the two
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: big space program rivals. Speaking for our part of the world.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: In the United States, we were capital you know, we are, well,
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: we're more than than now capitalist, right, So it was
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: industrial complex. We have the military industrial complex that we
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: know of and speak of because of these Operation paper
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: Clip guys. That's an idea that went back centuries, okay,
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: to use industry to ingratiate yourself with the host that
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: you're parasiting onto. And that's exactly what they did. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: they they helped create our military industrial complex in order
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: to create the means to build us a space program,
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: which really they saw as they were developing for themselves
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: for their own use. You know, of course it has
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: American flags on it and says United States, but they're
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: really getting done what they want to get done, piggybacking
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: on you know, what they helped us create. So I
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: think they were using the Soviets too in that regard.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: It was to get us into space. Joseph Ferrell has
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: some very interesting things to talk about that to say
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: about that regarding industry and space, because we don't know
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: what's going on out there, We don't know what kind
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: of mining is either actually happening or being identified for
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: subsequent exploitation. And you know, they do the long plan. Okay,
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: they they do the long plan. They to them decades
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: or even a century out and they're willing to go
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: slow enough to make it look like something that they
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: could easily deny. What do you mean, Walter, that's crazy
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: you people who think that. Meanwhile, you look closely and
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: you watch this very thing happen.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, plausible deniability is there is the name of the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: game with a lot of these a lot of these people.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: But speaking of doctor Ferrell, you have a online conference
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: coming up here really soon.
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, we do the the trans Temporal Cosmic Mysteries webinar conference.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Tickets are available now at Walter Bosley dot com. It's
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: going to be a really cool event where Joseph Ferrell,
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: Joshua Cutchen, myself, Malia Grimm, and we're working on a
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: couple of others, one that we're calling the Mystery Guest,
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: and and this is going to be a one day
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: online streamed event. You can watch it from the comfort
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: of your own home, of course, as we've been doing
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: for years now. And I'm going to be doing my
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: presentation live from Disneyland. The whole event's live, but I'm
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: going to be in Disneyland giving my presentation talking about
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: the experience I had there in nineteen eighty one. What
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: do I mean by trans temporal cosmic Well, that's you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: through time, right, trans temporal across time and cosmic space.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: Joseph Farrell and I had done a series of episodes
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: on my YouTube channel, the Walter Bosley Channel, that are
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: the most popular episodes on my channel, and we have
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: revisited this and we're taking it a step further, you know,
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: and that's the theme of this event we're going to be.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: He has written about what he calls the cosmic War,
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: this long ago pre ancient conflict literally between civilizations on
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: different planets in our system. You know this, it's a
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: basic idea that's not original with him, He's the first
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: to tell you, but he's really fleshed it out in
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: a fascinating way. And there are aspects of time phenomena,
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: and I've written of course about weird experiences and strange
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: phenomena related to time in space. So we've brought together,
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: I think, a really good little collection of speakers and
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: it's going to be It's on Saturday March eighth, twenty
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: twenty five, Saturday March eighth, and tickets are available at
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: Walterbosley dot com right now.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just dropped the link in the trap for
• 55:38
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• 55:39
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• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I think I also have a discount code of Cosmic
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• 55:54
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• 55:56
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• 55:58
  Speaker 7: The eighth of March twenty two and please please, please,
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• 56:05
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• 56:12
  Speaker 2: What time does that start?
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: We're probably going to be starting at I think nine
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: am Pacific time.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Cool. Awesome, I'll drop the Lincoln here one more time
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: for you guys, and we'll also get a shout out
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: at the end of the show as well. What do
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: you man? I'm so I've really stepped away from the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: UFO topic and the UFO phenomenon for a while now,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: especially since I've been working on this documentary. I was like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this is just a super toxic community, and it's like
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: it's like all it's like a religion, and it's really
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: like a cult. And I haven't done any shows on
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it recently. And I just did you watch a new
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: documentary on Netflix with what's his name? Jeremy Corbel and
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: George Knapp. It's like a five episode new documentary that
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: led into this new UFO hearing that just happened a
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: couple of days ago.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: I long ago have seen enough of Jeremy Corbel. I
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: don't ever care that I am not it to me,
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: he's a carnival barker. He's a self promoter, and when
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: he's when he's no longer making the money he's making
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: or getting the attention he wants out of this community,
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: he's going to jump to something else. No to me,
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, you know, I lost interest in anything Corbel
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: says a long time ago. And George Knapp disappoints the
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: heck out of me, you know, hitching him his wagon
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: to that. So no, no, I And like you said,
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: the UFO community has been discourse has been ruined by
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: the current UFO culture. You know, the popular UFO community culture.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: Talk about Dunning Krueger, talk about blind coockturity. You know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: you tell them some.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Such a good word.
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: I've never heard that word.
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: Before, but yeah, cockturity. You know, if you don't know
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: act like you do, because that's what the alpha males do.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: I just I mean, Jesus, come on, you know, you know,
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: the only guys who who want to consciously display cocksturity
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: and alphaism are the ones who they know they've never
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: really had their manhood tested to themselves, so they're not
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: as confident with themselves. And yeah, that's a jab, but
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: it's an authentic one. Here's the thing, it's you have
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: a bunch of true believerism. It is no different than
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: a fundamentalist religion. You know. They have their their gospels,
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: they have their profits, they and and they just choose
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: to believe. And you know what, I think what planted
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: some of that seed in there. You know, the seed
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: that planted some of that in there was that damn
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: poster in X Files hanging on Molder's wall. I want
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: to believe. Yeah, And and here's the irony. You know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: by the end of that series, even Molder has explained
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: that it's ironic. He he wants to believe, but he's
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: not convinced, you know. And and you know in that
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: last season they did you know, he even said that,
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: and you you cannot say anything against their beloved et
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: hypothesis that you don't get you know, ratioed or or
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: you know, venom spewed on you. Really by mostly the
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: biggest most ignorant crowd, and I mentioned Dunning Krueger. That's
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: the people who The way it's used popularly is, you know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: the more someone is convinced they're right, the the the
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: the they're they're wrong to the equal extent. I think
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: I've got that to explained, right. It's they're so convinced
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: that they're right, and that's where the cock surity comes from,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: you know, And yet you can't show them how ignorant
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: they are of something, because it's all about if you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: don't know, act like you do, which you know I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: come from, you know, kind of an operational background, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: let me tell you something that you don't know something
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: act like you do will get you killed or get
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: or worse. It's it's bad enough to get yourself killed
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: in the world that I worked in, the most unforgivable
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: thing is to get someone else hurt or killed because
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: you acted like you knew you know, in the world
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: where it counts, you admit, hey I don't know. Hey
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: this guy's the expert. I'm not okay, but it's only
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: in this fluffy civilian world, mostly in America, where we
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: got all this cocksurity walking around, and you know, so,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: you know, trying to reason with those people regarding the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: whole ET hypothesis. Now, all that said, I've told you,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: I've said this a million times. I totally think ets
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: exist numerous. I think it's foolish to think or assume
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: that there's no other intelligent life in this vast universe.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: That is ridiculous and equally ignorant to think that. I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: do think ets have come here and continue to come here.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: All I've ever tried to argue was that the vast
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: majority of legitimate UFO reports, not those where people just
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  Speaker 7: want to be part of the fund so they make
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  Speaker 7: it up, or where they confuse you know, a biplane
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  Speaker 7: for a UFO. You know what I mean, the legitimate,
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  Speaker 7: truly unidentified things. I'm just saying that about ninety percent
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  Speaker 7: of them are classified human technology. Whether they like to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: hear that or not, that's probably what it is. Now
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: what does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: That means, Well, the Pentagon just confirmed that the UAP
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: report from Aero basically said that all of it is
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  Speaker 2: You either it's either misidentified or it's our technology. That's yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the report's said.
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  Speaker 7: Or what I did like. What I did like was
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: they kind of hinted that there is a source of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: this human technology that we don't know what the source is. Ooh,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: that opens up the independent or breakaway discussion. But here's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: the thing. Like in my number, when I say ninety
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: percent is our technology, I leave a margin of ten
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: percent into which ET could be a part of. Now,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: a few years back, I gave a talk. At that time,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: the stat according to New Fund, checkered as they are still,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: they gave a stat that there were five thousand, you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: UFO reports in each month in any given year. Right, Okay,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: take five thousand of those. Take my ten percent number.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: That leaves five hundred UFO sightings that any one of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: them could be legitimate ET. Well, folks, it only takes one, right,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: It only takes one approvable ET craft. There we go.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: We've got the proof. So I do I am, I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: do believe. I am a believer in the existence of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: ET and that they do come here. What I hate
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: to see is all these people hook line and sinker,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: you know, every story that the you know, the the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: military players are paraded out to tell us, you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: just be careful with that, because they do have a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: threat narrative that you know, is needed. See, the threat
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: narrative is something that is necessary for a military industrial
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: complex to exist. You know, during the Cold War we
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: had the Cold War, right, and then during the terrorist
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: era we had the terrorists. Remember what von Braun, the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: alleged deathbed confession. You know, whether that really happened that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: way or not, think how accurate that is. You know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: there was this, there was that there's always got to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: be a threat. So now I mean, I'm kind of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: in the camp that thinks that they're using the whole
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: et thing as that threat narrative. And this is why
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: the lou Elisondo's and the Commander frav and the Tic
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: TAC and all these guys are being paraded out, because
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: you have these people that worship veterans, non veterans who
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: owe anything. A veteran says, folks, I was a federal
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: agent in the military. Okay. The reason I don't suck
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: up and kiss butt to everybody who's a veteran is
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: because part of my job was finding out and knowing
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: that unfortunately, there are unscrupulous people, criminals, even who imagine.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Military imagine that Walter.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm sorry, but just veteran status in itself
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: doesn't automatically earn my awe and you know, respect, I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: still say, okay, great, great, But you know, just because
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: just because somebody was a veteran doesn't mean that they're
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: telling the truth. It doesn't mean that they're still not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: part of an intelligence intelligence agenda. One of the dumbest
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: things that I ever heard that I heard Fraver say,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: And you know what, I promise you if I was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: having a beer with him privately and I said, come on, commander,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: you know better than that comment you made about you know,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: if it was ours, i'd know about it. I'm telling
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: you right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they all say. They all say that. He's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the first thing that they come out and say, every
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: single hearing that any military person that has said to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: have seen any of these craft, the first thing they
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: say is, oh, well, I know it's not ours. We
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: don't have that type of technology. It goes back to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the exact same thing we were talking about with Roswell.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing those people they would not have
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: known because that's a top secret, classified program.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you. A squadron commander is not going to be
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: briefed in on every secret thing that's being developed. I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: know that for a fact. Okay, because I worked, you know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: with programs protecting programs. Was you know, briefed in? I'm
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: telling you, you know, not every fighter pilot is briefed
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: in on the latest thing. So and he knows that,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: he knows that. I think that Commander Fraverer, you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: is still doing his duty. He's been he was recruited
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: to be part of whatever this agenda is. And you
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: know he's saluting sharply and you know, being a being
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: a good naval aviator. But there was a question on
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: the screen about oh yes, aliens coming out of ET's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: coming out of the ocean. I think here's the thing.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: When you want to convince somebody of you know, a spin,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: you're going to put some truth in it. Okay, ET's
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: coming out of the ocean, as Lou Alizondo you know,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: referred to. That's that idea is not original with him.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: That's some not that's not some big revelation that Lou
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: the Great Lou brought to us. That idea has been
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: around a long time. People have suspected that for a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: very long time, and I think it's a very reasonable thing.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, seventy one percent of the planet right is ocean,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: you know, covered by ocean. So if you were an
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: extra terrestrial race, duh, you had the technology, you know,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: come and go here, go out in the middle of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: the South Pacific, right and just no one's going to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: see you go in there. You know, you don't even
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: have to go that far. So yes, to answer that question,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: I think if you are talking about an other's presence
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: on this planet, doesn't have to be et but it
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: would be logical if they did. I think, you know, yeah,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: I think you'll find their activity under the water.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It's circle reporting that they're just regurgitating what they've heard
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: other people talk about over and over and over again,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: and then they put their own new little spin on it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: And it's so interesting, Walter, because I watched a majority
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: of it because I didn't have anything going on that day.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Whenever the new Hearing was going on, I was like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: all right, whatever, I just kind of put it on
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: in the background and kind of listen full well knowing
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: that there wasn't going to be any new revelations that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: come out of it. And it's the exact same thing
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: as the first one with Dave Grush that we actually
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: did an entire show on me. You we commented on
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the entire thing like a year, you know, the entire
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: congressional hearing. It's not even worth it to do it
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: this time. It's just like.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: How many congressmen were actually there? Was it too?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Like half the amount that was there the first time.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: Oh, and the they were literally bouncing back between each
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 12: other so frequently because there wasn't enough people there to
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: ask any questions.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it it was. It was a laugh.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: But here's the thing. I've encountered people getting impatient with
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: me and indignant with me because I pointed that out,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: and they're they're like, no, this hearing was, this was amazing,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: you know. I mean, I think even you know Dolan,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: of course, he paints it all up to be, you know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: bigger than it is, you know, and in the others, Oh,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: we got I think we got it. I think we
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: got disclosure. I'm just really, you know, you're just gonna
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: keep pounding away at that scripture, you know, believe, believe, believe.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: At this point, Walter, they need to wheel out an
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: actual UFO or an alien body or something to convince
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: me of any of this, because you would think that
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: after seventy seven years that there would be more proof
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: and more evidence of extraterrestrials. But there isn't, and there
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: hasn't been, and there's probably not going.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: To be well if there is, if there is, and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: this is what I really enjoy when the day comes.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: First of all, I think the ETS themselves control their
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: own disclosure, Okay. Our government couldn't stop disclosure if the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: ETS decide they want to be disclosed. What I love
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: about it is, folks, nobody, nobody in the ufology community, okay,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: is going to be the one selected to reveal to disclose.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry. This community is a niche community. It's a
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: little blip in the bigger, you know world. Okay. If
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: an extraterrestrial civilization wants to disclose itself, they're just gonna
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: appear in our skies and they're not going to care
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: what the US government or the DoD says about it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: They're gonna say, hey, we're here, tell your people to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: deal with it. Knock it off. There's welcome to the universe.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a whole bunch of us out here.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: Grow up whatever little mind controlled games you political people
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: are playing on your little planet. Sorry, parties over, you're
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: not using us anymore. Now here's the other thing. And
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: this is a little bit ironic, you know, for some
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: people have to realize. I know there's a concern I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: mentioned it about the threat narrative being used to keep
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: our military industrial complex, you know, supported and going and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: thriving and booming. And I know that a threat narrative
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: can be used to control a population, Folks. That does
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: not mean that we are not ever ever going to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: encounter a malevolent ET visitor. Okay, I think we have
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: in the past. In some cases they set themselves up
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: as gods.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: Wait, but here's the thing. It's inevitable we are going
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: to encounter an ET civilization that is hell bent on
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: on our subjugation or even our destruction. It's going to
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 7: happen eventually. I think it's happened before. So the thing is, yes,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: be careful of the threat narrative being spun by certain
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: players now, but do not for a moment think that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: everybody in the universe out there from other worlds are
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: benevolent space angel brothers who just want cotton, candy and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: roses for us. That's childish, that's very childish.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so unbelieving in the amount of UFO documentaries
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: and they're still coming out and all that stuff, and
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, it's not it's not any different.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing over and over again. You just
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: get people up there talking about these stories and nothing
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: ever gets solved. It's it's like a giant waste of time.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't understand why people are still into it
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: at this point. I mean, well, so many other topics
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: and so many other things that people can talk about
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: that is far more interesting than something that has zero
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: proof and zero evidence.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: Well, here's something that you hear a phrase all the time,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: but I haven't heard it applied to ufology or the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: UFO community. I think more and more people are being
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: red pilled about the UFO community and about the whole
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: ET hypothesis, and we need to red pill people about it,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: because yeah, it's just it's an embarrassment of itself, you know.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: You it's like they're a bunch of religious zelots that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: if you say one thing against the gospel of the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 7: ET hypothesis. You're again, you're you're put upon your ratio,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: you're treated as a heretic. And I mean, these people
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: are nuts and they're ignorant. It's all hell. The ones
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: who do what I'm talking about, they're they're just ignorant.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: And for them it is a religion. And and you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: know how it is with religion, there's no fighting that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: when that grips the human psyche.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're mind controlled too. And I think
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: that it's just like an online problem. It's an online issue,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: just like so many other things are like an online problem,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Like when when you talk to people in person, like
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: out on the street or at the yea gym or
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: wherever you are, like they are not like they are online.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I mean there are some instances that people can get
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: a little crazy. I had a little instance the other
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: day at the gym with a lady that was just
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: you know, well not a lady but a gentleman. There
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: was just like high religious and like just came at
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: me with like all this religion stuff and I was like,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is not the time or the place.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I'm setting in a sauna right now, bro, Like I'm
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: trying to enjoy. I just got done working out, like
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I want to relax in here, and he's like, do
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: you believe in Jesus Christ?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: Do you go to church?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: You need to be going to church. And I'm like, bro,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: like what do you? So I kind of had it
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: out with this guy from it because I'm not going
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: to back down from, you know, some kind of nonsense
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: like that. I'm not gonna listen to it. So there
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: are some people that are like that. But for the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: most part, people are not the way that they are
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: online in real life, you.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: Know, because they don't have the anonymity when you're looking
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: him in the face, that's right, they don't have the anonymity.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: And you know, the the UFO zelots, like religious zelots
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: and the priesthood of religion, the priesthood of uthology, you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: the priesthoods of religion. They're like used car salesmen. Of course,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: they're gonna tell you, hey, come to our lot, our car,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: the best cars. The other ones they're no good. You
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: need to buy our cars. It's the same thing with religions.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: The priesthood's ministries or whatever, the ministers, they're the used
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: car salesman of their particular religion. You know, Oh, it's ours,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: all the other ones are bad. Well says who? Well
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: says our priesthood. But there's of course you're going to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: say that, what about an objective source? Can we have
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: an objective source on this? No, you're not allowed to
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: have that because once you bring that in, their whole
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: charade falls apart. And this is why people like you,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: people like myself, people who try to be rational in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 7: the UFO world were pushed aside like heretics because the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: Jeremy Corbel's, the Naps, the you know, all the other
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: goofballs who have the spotlight they are they're narcissistic fervor.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: They don't want to let that spotlight go, you know.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: And if you say anything against the credibility of the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: crap that they're leading people astray with, you're gonna get ratioed.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: I went to the Bob Lazar movie that Corbel had
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: done some you know a few years back.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: The Netflix one, the Netflix documentary.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I went to the screening of that, the La
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: theatrical premiere of that, thanks to a couple of good
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: good friend Stephen Bradford, and that's where I met my
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: friend David path there, and we were in the audience
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: and we were Greg Bishop was there, if you know him.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: We were on the in the side areas. The middle,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: the whole middle of the theater was packed with Corbel clones. Okay,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: a bunch of you know, the the bro douches that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: every I mean Corbel could have come out and farted
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: on stage and they'd stand up going.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 14: Dude, you know, and aus Shuck's Lazar comes out, you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 14: the guy who really doesn't want to tell his story,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 14: he doesn't want to be a star, but he comes
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 14: out just sucking in all the cheering and come on.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: It was just Now, the whole thing was a put
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: up job. They made it seem like that that his
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: uh company got rated because of the element one fifteen
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: or whatever, when that wasn't the case. It was because
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: he was selling the things that could be used to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: make bombs.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: Well no, actually, actually there had been a murder case
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: in which the suspect had used something that he bought
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: from Lazarre that Lazar sold for other purposes, legitimate purposes,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: and this was my understanding, and they were investigating the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: use of this whatever it was in that murder in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: Lazarre in Courtwell, Corbel and Nap spin it up into
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: you know, it's almost like, hey, how can we use
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: this for our narrative, How can we use this for
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: our our grift, our stick. Oh that's what it is.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: They were there to get Element one p. Fifteen, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: but it turns people on, it excites them, and so
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: they would rather go with the the opiate of you know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: the UFO religion.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: I agree, and like I was mentioning, the UFO documentaries
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: do not do any justice or like a big huge
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: they're like a cash grabbed for these And I've seen
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbel at the Contacting the Desert this year. He
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: was there and guess what he was doing. He came
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: in with a film crew of like eight people that
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: he was surrounded by, walk through like he was a
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: badass and had like all these people like filming him.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: And apparently he's doing like a two b UFO reality show.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: That boy, there's the irony in that, right, UFO reality show.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: But there's a bunch of guys out there that just
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: buy into that. They they buy into posturing, they buy
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: into cock surety, you know, and uh, you know, I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: like to remind people if you haven't seen it. Go
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: look at the so called debate that Jeremy Corbel did
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: with Stanton Friedman. Now, whether you agree with Stanton Friedman
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: or not, he was one of the nicest gentlemen in
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: this community ever it was. He was a nice gentleman.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: And Corbel makes a it makes a complete ahole of himself, disrespectful,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: all this spewing cocksurety crap, being insulting, you know, because
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: he couldn't stand up to Freedman's you know, Freedman's arguments
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: in Friedman's comments, so instead he tries to mock him,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: you know, in front of an audience. And last I heard,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: Corbel was all proud of that, and I found it
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: to be just disgusting and shameful of a grown man
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: doing that to, you know, a gentleman like Stanton Friedman.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: And this is the guy that they all right, dude,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: all right, dude. You know, it just tells me as
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: much about them as it does him. So go find
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: that because I think people want that suppressed. He's a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: complete can I say a whole Yeah, he's a complete
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: asshole in this video. Complete And I'm you know, so
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: I don't really care to me, he's no better than
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: Corey Good and we know what a lying flop that
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: guy turned out to be in a terror for a while.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: So you know, I'm not interested in hearing what Cory
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: Bell has to say about anything.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: You know, which is interesting because I have this clip
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: that I want to play of George Napp with an
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: old school report that he was doing that is so
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: interesting that I'm gonna show here in just a few
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: minutes that we're going to comment on. But first, uh,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Anthony from Official Class Channeling by Anthony Senning a twenty
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  Speaker 2: dollars supersticker. Thank you very much, brother, good friend of
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: the show. Anthony, go over there and subscribe to his channel.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: He's probably the well I personally believe one of the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: most honorable and and tug grol people in the channeling community.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Go over there and support him as well. But yes,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: there's this George Knapp old school radio program that he
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: was doing that Mick West retweeted on his well he
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: posted on his on his Twitter page. I thought this
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: was so interesting because it's completely different than the type
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: of George Nap that we get today, and it's like, yeah, actually,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play it here I'm gonna put up
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: the banner really quick. It's a really old, really old broadcast,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: but you never know they get to hit you with something.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: But this is covered under fair use under section one
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: oh seven of the Copyright Act of nineteen seventy six.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: This is, you know, fair use for purposes such as criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: and scholarship. And that's what we're going to be doing
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: here today. YouTube gods is commenting on this old school
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: George Nap video of him talking about aliens and UFOs,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna Paul's periodically through to commenting on it
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: so that you know that this is fair use. Walter Bosley,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: can you let the YouTube algorithms know that this is
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: fair use.
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  Speaker 7: This is fair use, folks, fair use purposes for criticism, comment, reporting, teaching, education,
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  Speaker 7: It's all fair use.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome here we.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 15: Go to have long been associated with kooks and crackpots,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 15: and in many cases the association is right on the money.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 15: Some people get into the field of cash in there
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 15: are others who use UFOs.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 10: For political reasons.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 15: George Knap joins is now with part five UFOs the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 15: best evidence Hererett Paul's.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Here real quick, so YouTube knows we're commenting on this,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: but man, George n so young, you're in this, yeah video,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: he's a super young man. But this is so interesting,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: This is wild. You're gonna find this really interesting.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: Walter Free and Mary Ruth the flim Flamboy has been
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: part of the UFO picture almost from the beginning. Con
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: Man have used the subject for their own ends many times. Lately, though,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: there's a new twist. Some UFO believers are using the
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: et phenomena as a means of whipping up publicist area.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: They wrap themselves in the American flag, mix in a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: little old time religion, and laugh all the way to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: the bank. As we'll say in tonight's report, some scientists
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: believe there is a real body of data concerning UFOs.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: The question is how will that data be used?
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  Speaker 2: Yea, that's wild right there, because what are you saying
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: that these people are doing is what he is currently doing? Yep,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And particularly notice he said wrapping themselves
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: in the flag, the mix of patriotism and religious fervor.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: He said it right there, revelation of method.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Here's jarg vloy.
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  Speaker 16: I think for people who must have people in Washington
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 16: and elsewhere must have a building full of data that
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 16: I think the scientific community should have data that comes
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 16: from radar, from sensors or earth, from sensors in the ocean,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 16: and from sensors in space. Those sensors have been deployed
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 16: for other reasons, for reconnaissance, for intelligence, for guidance, for communication,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 16: and so those sensors are all over the place and
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 16: they must pick up the UFO phenomenon. Because we know
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 16: the energy constraints and the boundaries of the UFO phenomenon.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 16: It has to trigger those sensors. We know it does,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 16: so somebody has all that data.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: Jacques Vala is something of an anomaly, a solid scientist
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: who thinks UFOs deserve to be studied. Ballet was a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: real life model for the French scientist character and the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: film Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: There's Close Encounters of the Third Kind right there. I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: like Jacques Vallet. I think that is he's changed his
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: opinions a lot on the phenomenon as it's kind of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: gone on. But I'm out of the group. I think
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: he's yeah, kind of solid.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: I agree with you. Jacques Valet is one of the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: best personally. I think he did his best work by
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: the early nineties. I don't agree with and I find
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: it interesting the change that he has taken, particularly in
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: recent years. But really, if you're not familiar with Jacques Vallet, folks,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: go look at his early work up till the early nineties,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: because talk about what they alluded to in the hearing.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: One of the few things that caught my ear that
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: was worth listening to when they said, Hey, somebody else
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: is kind of copying or flying around the same type
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: of technology, and it's and we don't know who the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: player is. And then think of my dad's story, this
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: other group of people that share this planet with us.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: Valet's work was going solidly down that line, the evidence
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: in the data he was collecting and his analysis, i
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: mean even specified possibly who they were. And then in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: recent years he took this, oh it's all the Et
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: hypothesis turn and okay, whatever. He kind of lost me
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: when he did that. Yeah, I agree, but his work
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: prior is solid. There you go. That's one.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: That's one.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: Yes were among the first in the field to express
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: concern that intelligence agencies might be spying on UFO groups.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: He was also among the first to notice that some
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: of those who were preaching the UFO gospel were pursuing
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: their own political agendas, using flying saucers to attract attention
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: to other causes.
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  Speaker 16: One explanation is that it's simply there are people in
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 16: society who have extreme beliefs of one kind or another,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 16: and that they gravitate towards extreme beliefs about UFOs and aliens.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 10: And bases.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 16: On the earth and so on, just as well as
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 16: in politics they gravitate to extreme beliefs today.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting. I think you might be referencing the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Paul Benowitz kids there with because he was the first
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: person to talk about the Dulce base in New Mexico
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: and the contract between aliens and extraterrestrials, which we have
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: William Moore later on in this clip to kind of talking.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: I did a whole couple of shows on William Moore
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: and his talk to the Moufon conference in nineteen eighty nine,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: which is unreal wild what he was saying up there. Yeah,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: all right, here we go, keep going here.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: He's et extremists out tabloid, the tabloids. These aliens aren't
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: merely here to rape our women or steal our frogs.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 10: They want it all.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 17: It's just instead of the Illuminati, the builder Burger.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Steal our frogs, Walter.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 7: I love frogs in the women. But look how young
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 7: Moore is there when I by the time I met
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: him in two thousand and six, he long ponytail, white hair,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: white beard. You know he's an older guy.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Frogs and women, Frogs and women.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Those were the tabloids back then. We don't have any
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: of those types of tabloids anymore because people would probably
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: actually believe it on that issue.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: There's any funny movie from the nineties called real Men,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: Real Men, I think it is. I think that's the title.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: Jim Belushi plays a government agent John Ritard places on
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: every man who gets caught up in this in this
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: secret agent intrigue, and and it turns out that what's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: going on in the tabloids is exactly what the truth is.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: You got check it out. It's it's a funny movie,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: Real Men.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's several things like that with Stanley Kubrick too,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: that we also talk about in our movie of Clockwork
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Shining that you know, art imitating reality and reality imitating art,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: which is really wild and fascinating as well, like with
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: the clockwork orange like how Crime Rose and there was
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: a clockwork orange like Murders in the UK, and then
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: they actually had to pull the film because of the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: release of a clockwork orange. And then with Lolita and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: the things that were surrounding Lolita, and then with the
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: shining and the tortuous types of you know what seems
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: like some sort of CIA program that Stanley Kubrick is
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: running on Shelley Duvall with the way that he treats
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: her and you know, tears her down. So it's really
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: interesting just the way that you know, reality imitates hard
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: or the opposite way or imitates reality.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 17: There's the roth Child, the World Bankers, uh and on
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 17: and on and on being in a plot to take
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 17: over the planet and enslave the world and make a
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 17: fortune in the process. Now it's the aliens who are
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 17: overseeing the whole process and they're doing it.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Wow, is that not a revelation or what what he
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: just said right there? That is exactly what's happening. Before
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: all the alien stuff, people were worried about humans doing
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: this to other humans, and then they shift the focus
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: into to aliens and now it's aliens. Now it's a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Boogeyman type scenario.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah uh, Bill Cooper, Yeah, oh.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: This gets this gets wild, dude, this gets so wild.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: The most vocal of today's cosmic doom sayers is Bill Cooper,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: a former Navy petty officer, who says he read and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: caught be top secret military documents which outline an incredibly
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: complex plot involving international bankers, industrialists, politicians, drug cartels, the CIA,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: and of course, the aliens. Cooper's first televised unveiling of
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: this grand conspiracy came in a nineteen eighty nine appearance
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: with John Lear on the Talk program On the Record.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 18: We are in possession of alien technology which we have
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 18: actually in effect traded human lives and property for There
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 18: is a formal treaty which is illegal under the Constitution
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 18: with this alien nation.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: What she got from Paul Benowitz, which was all missing
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: disinformation given to him directly by the Air Force and
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: by the NFA. This is pretty much a hit piece
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: on Bill Cooper here, which is so wild that this
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: is Georgia knapb.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: Doing this hip piece of speaking of irony.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: It's wild, all right, We're going to keep going.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 18: Everything about it is illegal, and to tell you the truth,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 18: and my estimation just stinks rotten. Like John, after this
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 18: move on conference is over, I think I'm going to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 18: get out of this.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: Tube, But he didn't get out of it. Instead, he
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: jumped into it with both feet. Cooper soon became the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: featured speaker at UFO lectures all over the West. January
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: nineteen eighty nine appearance at the Showboat Hotel in Las
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: Vegas drew seven hundred people at ten dollars ahead or
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: fifteen dollars at the door this promotional material.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Man, could you imagine getting into a conference and now
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: offer ten or fifteen dollars? Holy shit?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I got a pause before, because if I don't
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm not talking over, then it's an opportunity for
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: them to do some shit.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: Proclaimed petty Officer Cooper to be the nation's foremost expert
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: on UFOs. Who's responsible for this designation?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 18: It seems that people, in listening to what I have
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 18: to say and what others have to say, have made
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 18: their own determination on that fact. Never, at any point
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 18: have I ever made such a statement.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: As the audiences grew, so did the story.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: Cooper's thesis, titled The Secret Government, grew from a modest
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: five pages in January nineteen eighty nine to a much
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: heftier twenty eight pages by May of nineteen eighty nine.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: In the earlier version, Cooper pledged that this was it.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: There would be no additions or corrections.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 17: He swore part of the statement, I swear that this
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 17: information is true, all true. Two weeks later he changed
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 17: the story and swore.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: That was true, and they all believed changed.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 17: It again and swore that was true. Then he started
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 17: suddenly assimilating information which he got from other researchers and
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 17: other individuals and incorporating that into his story and claiming
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 17: that it was part of the material that he had
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 17: seen in nineteen seventy two.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Of course, if that doesn't explain the entire community right there,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what does.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it matter how I mean, lou has done
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: similar shiftings and they're like, oh, Lou lu he's our man.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 7: You know, whatever he says is fine. It's like it's like,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: you know, Mohammed with Islam. You know, how if Mohammad
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: wanted to do something, Oh, the angel came and told
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: me I could do it, you know, And even his
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: initial guys were like what and you know, so yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: it's change as you go because your hardcore true believers
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: will go with you.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: And that's how cults work too. They just change up
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: the doctrine when something doesn't fit or they get caught
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: up with something, and then they just say that God
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: or you, you know, the freaking Brotherhood of Light told
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: me that this is not true, and then they just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: change up their whole script.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 10: Scenario. Humans.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I was just gonna say.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: And if you speak against it, then what they do
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: is they turn the believers against you. Oh, you're not
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: one of us.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: He's not one of us.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: Shun him.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: We've had a base on the Moon since the nineteen fifties,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: an other on Mars since the nineteen sixties. We've recovered
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: dozens of crashed disks and scores of alien bodies. The
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: aliens are here to use us for food and genetic experiments,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: including mass sterilization, which is why we must hang on
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: to our guns and oppose birth control. George Bush is
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: in on it, so as Henry Kissinger, the Vatican, and
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: most of the nation's leading scientists. John Kennedy was assassinated
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: because he was going to blow the whistle on the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: drugs and Saucers connection. Bill Moore, Stan Friedman, Philip Klass,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: John Lear, Bob Lazar and anyone else who questions Cooper's
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: credibility have been written off as agents of MJ twelve
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: and thus part of the plot.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 10: So what's the motive? Get rich quick?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 17: Where he's making thousands and thousands of dollars going around
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 17: the country. Was in Atlanta last week and charge fifty
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 17: dollars a plate for people to have dinner with him
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 17: so they could ask him questions. The man is, in
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 17: my opinion, based on the research that I've done about him,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 17: and I don't mind saying this on camera. Let him
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 17: sue if he wants to challenge. I'd love to have
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 17: him in court. In my opinion, he's a total phony,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 17: total phony.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I love this so much, but
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: it's just so great. It's so great. William Moore is
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: the man. I wish I could get a hold. I
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: wish someone knew where to find him.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: I'll try to, you know, see if we can. You know,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: because I haven't seen him in years, I'd kind of
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: like to. You know, I met him through Greg Bishop.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: Greg Bishop knows him, known him longer than I have,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: and he's a very interesting guy, very interesting.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: I would love to see you everything that he was
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: saying here in this clip and then also in his
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine move on conferences like all come to fluition,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Like it's the exact same thing that he was saying
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: in that time. I would love to know what what
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: do he thinks about all this?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 19: Now?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: I have a Bill Moore story real quick in during
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: you know, when I was really looking into my dad's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: story years before I wrote the book, Greg had told
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: Bill about you know what, I told him about my
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: dad's story, and Bill wanted to meet one time. So
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: he and I met at a du pars at the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: Grove in Fairfax in LA. And he was really keenly
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: interested in my dad's story. And when I told him
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: about the part with the intelligence officer came from the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: forward cabin and told my Dad and the other guys
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: that they were going to write pat He said, was
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: that guy's name Major Knight? And I said I don't know.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 7: And Bill Moore and this is in two thousand and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: six or seven says two thousand and six, Because my
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: dad was assaulted in two thousand and seven and spent
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: the last year of his life in a hospital, dying
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: in two thousand and six. Bill said, ask your dad
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: what that guy's name was. I'd be interested to know
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: if it was a guy named Major Milton Knight. And
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 7: so I said, okay, I will. So Then a couple
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: days later, I had lunch with my dad, and yes,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: I know how to question. I know how to interrogate
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 7: people with it looking like it's just an old conversation,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: because you know, they train us to do that. So
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 7: I'm talking to my dad and I use my tactic
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: on him, and you know, I kind of barney fifed
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: a little. It's like, Dad, you know, a couple of
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: years back, you were telling me about the officer on
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: the plane, a major somebody, and my dad said, oh, yeah,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: Major Knight, Milton Knight. And I'm like, okay, what the
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 7: hell's going on here? So I told Bill, I said,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 7: he nailed it. He said the name. And so you know,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: that whole Milton Night thing could have been part of
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: a narrative. You know, if it was not true, it
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: could have been part of a narrative. Or maybe Milton
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: Knight's a real guy. I haven't yet has been able
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: to nail that down. But it was weird. I got
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: that name from Bill Moore, who never met my dad
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: as far as I know, in two thousand and six,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 7: and asked me to ask him about that, and my dad.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: My dad said I didn't have to prompt him. My
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: dad said the name. I mean, I prompted him, but
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: not with the name. So, for what that's worth.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: How would you have known that like that?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 7: That's it right if it wasn't the name of the guy.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: So absolutely, but I would love to speak with him
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: as any way you can, if you know where he
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: is or could be in contact with him at all,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: I would love to love to do it.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 18: I'll let me ask you how much money do you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 18: make and what you do and how much do you
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 18: expect to make. I don't think it's anybody's business, put
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 18: my own.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: Cooper insists his information came from reports he read in
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: nineteen seventy two. More points out some of the documents
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: included in Cooper's thesis contain entries from nineteen seventy four,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: seventy five and beyond, and thus couldn't have been read
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: by anyone in seventy two.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 19: When I first met him a couple of years ago,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 19: he said he could vouch for fifty percent of what
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 19: I was saying. Since then Bill apparently can a vouch
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 19: for one hundred and fifty percent of what I'm saying.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: John Lear, that's a founding. That's pretty good.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Wow, how did you go from fifty percent to one
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: What kind of top secret documents were you reading? What
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: kind of nonsense were you making up? Do you do
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: you like? Did you like John Lear? Did you think
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: they were? He incredible?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: Lear? The thing in the in the more recent years,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: there was some wild and crazy stuff that he was
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: purporting was true that I'm just like, oh, you know again,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: you know along the lines of okay, maybe there's a
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: nugget there. But the stint to which I think he
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: said people were living on the moon or in just
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: all sorts of stuff, you know, I that I couldn't
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: agree with. But I think when he first started out,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: he was, you know, trying to keep it reasonable.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like a lot of people do, they start
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: out with good intentions and then they evolve into why
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: could do fairytale stories?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: Clear was instrumental in bringing Cooper out of the UFO closet,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: but even Lear now questions Cooper's claims. In nineteen eighty eight,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: Lear helped an acquaintance compile and write a UFO paper
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: under a pseudonym O. H.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 10: Krill.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: The name is an inside UFO Joe Krill is supposedly
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: the name of the first alien to communicate with humans.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: This is wild, right.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 10: You're going to love this, oh eight.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: If you don't already know about it, well.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: Just our friend Ola Phillips has published the Krill book.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 10: Was Wild Thin Air.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: But later, during an interview program, Lear says Cooper stated otherwise.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 19: I just out of the corner of my ear, I
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 19: heard Cooper talking about Oh Krill, and God, I turned
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 19: beat red and I grabbed him and I walked into.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 20: The living room. I said, what are you doing? And
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 20: he said about what I said, Oh Crill's a joke.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 20: We invented that for some papers. No, No, I saw
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 20: that in THEN eight. I said, that's impossible, Bill, you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 20: couldn't have possibly seen that in THEN eight. We came
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 20: up with that last year.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: So that's that's one.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 10: Cooper's paper states that the bank.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I didn't know that that was
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: that was like an inside joke between these people, said
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: that's a wild one.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's and you know, it's interesting. I'm glad you're
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: showing this because the new generation of these fanatical UFO
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: true believers that we're talking about, they don't know all
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 7: this stuff. Their grasp of ufology history starts in two
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: twenty seventeen, okay, and they don't realize that all the
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 7: same stuff they're embracing have been has been the crap
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 7: that is recycled and has been tried to you know,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 7: they've tried to sell it to us before, and it
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: was proven. Lazarre himself was a sham who was disproven
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: years ago, and Corbel and Nap revived him. And there's
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: because there was enough time and a whole new generation
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: you know, or what dude you know, willing to buy
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: into it.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's been a big problem too, is all
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: the newcomers to the phenomenon that has absolutely no idea
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: about the history of it and how it all began.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: And William Cooper up at that move On UFO conference
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine, said, and he brought it together perfectly.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: And I did a show on It's called Legends of Ufology.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: William Cooper. It's a playlist on my channel. He gets
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: up there and he says, if you strip away everything
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: from ufology, and he's talking up to the point to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine when this was going on. He's like,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: if you strip away everything from ufology, you're left with
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: the Paul Benowitz case. He's saying that everything stimmed, all
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: of the theories and all of the speculations surrounding ufology
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: all tracks back to Paul Benowitz, and I think that
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: he's one percent spot on there too. But William Cooper
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: also is responsible for a lot of the Roswell nonsense
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: too with his book on Roswell that came out in
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty So he's got some hand in the mythology
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: and the posture sizing of the community with lore and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: fantasy as well.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we know that Dodi was the OSI agent that
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 7: is involved in the whole Benowitz a fair thing. Read
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: Greg Bishop's book Project Beta for that. And here's the thing,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: the stuff that Benowitz was told, you know a lot
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: of untrue, ridiculous things right. Initially, Dode's specialty for a
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: while in OSI was the specialty I had, which was
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: counter espionage operations and in what you call passage material.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: It's double agent opts what you call passage material. There
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: is stuff that's not true, there is disinformation. There is
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: fake mixed with real. Okay, because what you're trying to do,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 7: this is aimed at foreign intelligence services. Okay, foreign intelligence agencies,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: all right, enemies or nations have concerned whatever, and you're
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: trying to lead them astray so their stuff doesn't work.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: So that is a level of disinformation. So you know,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: it doesn't surprise me that, you know, disinformation was kind
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: of you in whatever the specific operation was that Dodie
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: got approved doing with with Benewitz, and you know, I
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 7: want to bring that up, the emphasis on this was
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 7: aimed at foreign intelligence services because I always come across
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 7: people in the community who want to spew vehem at
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: me and curse me to hell, because you know, all
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: counterintelligence agents are liars and they just spread disinfo to
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 7: the people. And I never once, anytime I dealt with
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: any tweaking of that. It was never once aimed at
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 7: the American public. It was aimed at agents of the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 7: g r U and in Russia, you know, or China.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 7: You know, it was never you know, at an all
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 7: CI counterintelligence agents, their job is not to spread disinformation.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: It can be a part of a specific assignment that
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: a counterintelligence guy will do. But this characterization of all
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: counterintelligence is just to you know, lead the public astray.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 7: That's ignorance and it spins people up. So but if
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: you if you want the best, the best presentation on
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 7: the whole Benewitz affair, read Greg Bishop's book Project Beta,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: and you'll see that the real culprit was not O
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: s I, it was the NSA.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: But absolutely the NSSAY was involved. And I had Rick
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Dodie on my show too a couple of I don't know,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: seven seven months ago or so, and we had a
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: really good conversation which he he's all for the extraterrestrial
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: hypothesis and all that, which.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: You know, but the et religion hypothesis is.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: But I gave him a break because I'm like, the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: way that people character is exactly like what you just said.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: The people that characterize, you know, counterintelligence agents for going
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: out and purposely confirming or denying something is not true,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: they don't do that. And that's why I gave him
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: a break. I was like, you weren't there telling Paul
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Benowitz that these were for sure, extraterrestrials or whatever. You
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: were just kind of being like, oh, well, that's kind
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: of interesting what you got there, Paul. Let me take
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: a look at it. Let me blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: You never confirmed or denied anything of about his theories,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: And a big part of that was the NSAY and
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: breaking into his home and replacing his laptop with the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: NSA modified laptop to make him believe that he was
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: in communication with extraterrestrial.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 12: Aliens and they were.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: They were also using a technological phenomena of audio and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: surveillance equipment to convince him that there was weird alien
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: tech going on. The NSA did horrible things to this,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: and they're all too happy to let OSI take the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 7: rap on it. I know that organization, and I'll tell
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: you when I got in OSI. I've only talked with
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Rick Dody once a few years ago. I never met him,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: but he was presented to me as a cautionary tale, Walter,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: you're gonna do. You're gonna do this operation connected with
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: UFO stuff. You're going to be careful, You're going to
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: do it within the regulations. And Rick Dody was presented
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 7: to me as a cautionary tale because of the Benewitz affair, okay,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 7: and I guarantee you most command was not happy with
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: what happened with that. They were not happy with the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 7: uh you know, bad reflection you know on them in
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: the Air Force because they did not tell Rick Dody
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 7: to drive this man crazy. And as Rick told you right,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: you know, he wasn't well.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't have been looked at like that if the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: operation went good, you know, if the operation didn't kind
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: of go bad and didn't drive Paul Benowitz out of
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: his mind in order and be locked up in mental
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: institutions and have psychiatric care on him, he wouldn't have
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: been looked at as like a cautionary tale if it
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: went okay. And I have one percent believe if the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: NSSAY was not involved. What's according to Rick Dody, he
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't aware until after almost the investigation was completely over
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: on Paul Benewitz that the NSA was involved. Yep, now
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: that's just what he says.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: Well, it's in Great Bishop's book to Project Beta, go
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: check it out.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: All right, let's finish up this clip.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: This story have been independently verified by two sources, one
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: of whom is Tony Pellham, reporter for the now defunct
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: Las Vegas Bullet newspaper.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 11: I personally believe that Bill Cooper is a complete fraud
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 11: and that he's read a lot of UFO books and
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 11: he took advantage of charging ten and fifteen dollars a
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 11: person to give some lectures which a lot of people
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 11: will pay to listen to.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: Pellam says he found bits and pieces of Cooper's background
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: that checked out, but there was no confirmation of the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: big stuff, for instance, Cooper's copy of the nineteen seventy
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: two documents.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 11: Now, Cooper explained to me that his set of documents
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 11: he had stored while he was living in California in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 11: a garage storage area behind his home, and he said
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: a mysterious fire destroyed him. And as a reporter at
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 11: the time, I said, well, fine, just simply give me
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 11: the location and the date the address and I'll verify
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 11: with the fire department that a fire to And he
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 11: became angry and said, no, I don't want to get
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 11: anybody else, And I said, well, how could this hurt anyone?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 11: For me to verify the date and place of a fire.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 10: Cooper insists his story.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Because the fire didn't happen, Bros. Unbelievable.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: These are true. Those who disagree, he says, are dupes
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: of the secret government. Former associates like John Lear, who
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: dared to question Cooper's material, receive unsettling messages on their
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: answering machines.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 13: Got John, this is Bill Cooper, who you know. I
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 13: really don't know how to express my anger, but I'll
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 13: tell you right now. I told you a long time ago.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 13: Anybody that attacks me is going to get crucified.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 10: And mister have.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 13: Always been very, very kind to you, and you know it,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 13: but my patience has run out. I hope you have
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 13: a good flight.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: What kind of ominous threat is that? I hope?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 7: Wow? Good Corey good. You know he took his his
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: you know thing from the Bill Cooper playbook. I guess
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: you know, anyone who speaks out against me is gonna,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 7: you know, face my wrath. Wow. Well, we see what
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: we know what happened to Bill Cooper? You know?
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right and like, but that's another
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: trick in a common thing within the community as well
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: within the even the conspiracy community and the truth of
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: community too, is when you hear something that you don't
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: like you automatically label them as you know, working for
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: the dark side, working for the cabal, working for the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: dark Alliance, working for You're an agent, you're working for
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: the CIA. You're a part of the problem, you're the government. Yeah,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: that's exactly, that's that's the easiest way to try and uh,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: disc credit somebody that is rational and has common sense.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's and it's what a religious fundamentalist does, right,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: you have to be labeled a heretic, you have to
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: be shunned. You know, this is exactly what cults do.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 7: This is what some churches, some cults that operate under
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 7: the label of a church do. This is what you know,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: narcissistic cult leaders. This is what they they have to
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: do because they have to keep their control over the
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: herd and and that you know, Bill Cooper had a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: herd for a while that he could depend on buying
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: tickets to see him. I mean back then, you know,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: fifty bucks was like what one hundred and fifty now
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: just to just to have lunch with this guy, you know.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: He's a UFO superstar, Walter Bosley. That's what they that's
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  Speaker 2: what they do. That's what George Knapp charges he charges
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  Speaker 2: like two hundred and fifty dollars to have lunch, and
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  Speaker 2: at this conferences with.
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  Speaker 7: Pay writer, you and I are just jealous because you know,
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  Speaker 7: we don't command one hundred and fifty dollars, you know,
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  Speaker 7: plate to have lunch with us. You know, you you,
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  Speaker 7: you and I Will Will Will. We'll meet up over
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  Speaker 7: you know, twenty dollars thy food, you know what a
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  Speaker 7: little joint you know, like we did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and which was delicious by the way.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't need to spend one hundred dollars, folks.
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  Speaker 7: You don't need to spend one hundred dollars or even
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  Speaker 7: fifty dollars to have lunch with Walter Bosley. Okay, just
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: let me. We've already met with one guy in town
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  Speaker 7: at mine and Malia's favorite Indian place in town. So
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: you know, we just go Dutch and I'll meet with you, you know,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 7: talk all day long.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's a fun part of being all Scottie boy
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: says it was Bill Cooper the one that choked himself.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: And no, that's not Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper, God, I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: think that he was shot by was it tax agents?
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  Speaker 7: That was kind? Yeah, he decided to get in a
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  Speaker 7: shootout with the fans and uh he lost that one.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 7: Scotty boys referring to Phil Schneider, who you know what.
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  Speaker 7: My my view on the Schneider thing, I think it
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  Speaker 7: was a tragic tale. I think the man did did
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  Speaker 7: rig it up, and he he had issues and the
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 7: true believers don't want to believe that and that and
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 7: that's okay. It's kind of like Mark mccambleish. There were
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 7: some folks in the community that initially tried to spin
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: that into a conspiracy, and no, that got shut down quick.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: Mark was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: And the man had issues, and you know, this happens
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: just like Morris Jessup. You know Morris Jessup. If if
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: you go to the A Saucer Life podcast and there's
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: an excellent couple of episodes about Morris Jessup and you
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 7: learned the real truth about Morris K. Jessup And but yeah,
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  Speaker 7: Bill Cooper being a fat head, stubborn, fat head cock
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  Speaker 7: surety extreme gets himself. You know, in a in a
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  Speaker 7: gunfight with federal agents. He probably bought a revolver to
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: a machine gun fight. You know, I don't know, but
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that but no, that's not what it was.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: It was because they took him out because he was
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: revealing the truth about the aliens in the UFO's Walter.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I feel ashamed. I've been corrected. Can I rejoin
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  Speaker 7: the cult?
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  Speaker 2: That's what they say, though it is so wild, that's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: the excuse that they'll spin on it. But Phil Schneider,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: it turned out that Phil Schneider was the guy that
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: had his didn't have a hand right, that said that
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: he got a blown off by an alien laser beam
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: underneath while he was building a base in New Mexico.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: I remember the stuff about building a base. I don't
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: recall the hand.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Thing, but yeah, he had a missing hand, and he
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: said that he got a blown off by an alien
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: laser beam that attacked them whenever they were trying to
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: build this base or whatever. But it turned out that
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: he had like lost his hand, like in like a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: welding accident or like some some kind of other thing,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: and that it had been gone for a really long time.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: While these things that people will make.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: Up, Yeah, and it's for prediction or money, and and
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: the ones who do it for attention, you know, and
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: end up like Phil or you know, MOR's Jessup or
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: so it's sad. I you know, I don't. I don't
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: mock Schneider. I don't mock Jessop because because those are
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: those are tragic tales.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Finish this bad way. Up Here is George Knapp. This
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: is a report by George Napp. Uh mind you guys,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: this is all his things. This is hippie's basically on
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: William Cooper.
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  Speaker 6: But it probably won't be all that long until Eyewitness
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: News is accused of being part of the secret government
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: conspiracy as well because of this report. The tragedy and
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: things like this is that well meaning people who are
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: genuinely curious about the topic are misled and frightened, and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: any hope that the topic might be given a more
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 6: serious consideration is tossed right out the window. As Bill
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 6: Moore put it, it plays right into the hands of
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: those who really don't want the.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 10: Subject to be treated fairly.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: The difference between someone who's writer. I want to comment
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: on this, you know what think think of a clockwork orange.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 7: George Knapp needs to be strapped to a chair with
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: the eyeholders open and forced to watch his own video
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 7: on this.
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  Speaker 12: Agree what happened George? What happened but money and attention. Look,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 12: here's a spotlight I'm turning on on me. Spotlight and money.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 12: That's what happened to George net Wold.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I was shocked when I watched. So you're
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: getting the first reaction, Like I only watched it through
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: once and I was like, this is the perfect thing
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: to bring up with Walter because it's like so unbelievable.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: You're getting the shock of it, just as I got
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: the shock of it when I was watching it a
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: couple of days ago. Yeah, he needs to watch his
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: own take it z own advice absolutely.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: Really boils down to common sense. I mean, there really
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 6: isn't that much in this field that's known for sure.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 6: So when you run into somebody who has a whole
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 6: bunch of stuff that is treated as the absolute truth
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 6: or presented.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 10: In that fashion, you you know you have to be wary.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: The same might be true though, for those who say
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: absolutely no way that there's anything to UFOs more.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 10: Next week. I was going to say, you'll be back Monday.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 6: Getting into the abduction hypothesis and some of the chicanery
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: that goes on in that field, and a number of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 6: other topics as well.
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  Speaker 17: Thank you, Jeorge, Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Wow wild huh.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's right, the chic canary that goes on in
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: the abduction world. You know, here's the thing, and I
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: know you know that. My final assessment is people tend
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 7: to think because I will criticize a lot that I
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: don't believe that. I'm completely a non believer in et.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 7: I don't believe abductions have or do happen. Here's the thing.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 7: I think, on a base level, nuggetive truth level, a
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 7: lot of these things have happened and do happen. The
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: thing is, I don't buy every story that comes down
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: the pike, and you can't because that's where the disinformation
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: is slipped in. That's where the people who basically are
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: just liars and con men. That's how they get in.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: They take something that has some truth in it and
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 7: they put their own spin on it, and they exaggerate
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 7: it wildly, and you know, they want you to buy
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 7: into it, and you just shouldn't. You need to be
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: used some critical thinking in each case.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this really good documentary on Netflix. It's called
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: The Manhattan alien abduction and I really, I highly recommend
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: people check it out. And it basically it tells the
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: story of you know, Bud Hopkins and this one of
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: the most famous abduction cases in and that happened in Manhattan,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: and Bud Hopkins' wife is on there, and it's it's
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: just really good. It's I wish I could have had
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: her on my show, but she passed away a year ago,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: and I was really upset about that because I wanted
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: to have her on to talk about all this stuff,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: because she was basically filming Bud Hopkins whenever he was
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: doing all these regressions on people, and she was a
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: filmmaker herself and she filmed all of them. And I
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to spoil it, but it's basically Bud Hopkins
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: got fooled by this lady.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: I've seen this one, and you're right, this is this
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: is required watching if you want to be honest with
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 7: yourself and take an honest look at you know, some
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 7: a big story in the community. Yeah, this this is
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 7: a very eye opening documentary.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I think that wraps it up for
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: us here today. Walter really appreciated it. Appreciate your time,
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  Speaker 2: and thanks for being in my documentary at Clockwork Shining,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll resk you some more stuff in the future,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. I can let people know where to find
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