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Reference Ranges Are Not Reality · White Coat Black Sheep

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This is white coat black sheep, where science gets curious
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and dogma gets uncomfortable.
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I'm Dr. Selli and we talk physiology, evidence,
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and real world medicine.
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Plus the questions you are not supposed to ask,
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but probably should if you care about health
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and think there's a better way.
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Welcome to our show. Hey Justin. How's it going?
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Good, how are you? Good.
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I'm sorry I forced you to just, um,
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be on this side of the camera.
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I know it's not the usual preference.
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Nope. It's not usual, but yes, I will do it for you.
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It was really funny. I watched the control need
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to control kind of kick it.
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He tried to run away. Yeah. That's what happened.
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This is not my comfort zone Yeah. At all.
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But, you know, my personality profile, I mean,
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I am the one that breaks the stagnation
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or like a resistant,
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like I'm gonna push it in that other direction.
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Mm-hmm. You did force me to take a test to see
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American compatible, even though
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we've been friends for a long time.
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Yeah. You did make me take a test
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to see if we are, and we have worked together.
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So I thought it was a little weird that I was demanded.
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I was, I was demanded, yeah.
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Demanded to take a test
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and it took me, that test took me a good 45 minutes while I
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was watching Titanic with my son and,
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and my wife was like, what are you doing?
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I can pull it up. What
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are, what are you, what are you doing?
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I love that. I'm taking, I am taking, I am taking a test.
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I'm taking a personality test for Valerie.
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You and I did it. And the, those are,
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Did you learn anything about yourself?
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Um, yeah, I think so.
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But I do also feel like those, those tests are a little,
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like, I can go either kind of which way.
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And I always feel like I try to sp find a, a certain moment
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where I did go one way or the other.
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Mm-hmm. But there's moments where I feel both ways. So, so
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You felt like there was maybe a fork in the road
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that you skewed your results where you would
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otherwise land in a different personality box?
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I felt like a lot of the,
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my answers were going towards one direction
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and I just felt like I had to kind of mix it up
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because there were times where based off the question,
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I was like, no, I did sometimes feel like that.
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So, and a lot of those questions
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and then I didn't realize the slider was it,
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it basically had steps, uhhuh basically some steps.
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So I was like, oh crap.
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I went back and I started after about five questions.
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I was like, oh, you can actually tap a section on that.
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So it kind of leads. Yes.
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So the scale, the slight and scale. So, um,
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So you came out as number one being,
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oh, that's mine actually.
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I'm gonna pull your results up.
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And I'm like, I'm proud of you for doing it. Me too. Okay.
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So number one was empathizer. Number two was coach.
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And number three, which is super fun to know about you,
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is Catalyst, because that's me.
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You also break stagnation.
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You also push people into action where they would
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otherwise just kind of like, well,
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I'm thinking about this now I'm gonna do that.
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You push them into the doing, that's a skill.
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And that also, this really helps with learning how
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to better communicate with people
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that you already work with.
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Yeah. So the top one was empathy,
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Empathizer, Empathizer.
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I feel like that one's an obvious one.
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'cause I always, I feel like I, I not self loath.
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I do feel like I, I have empathy
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for other people more than myself usually.
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Yeah. I'm that person that we gotta hurry up
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and go, we gotta go 'cause we're making somebody wait
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or, you know, and it's, it's been a crux.
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It's been a, an issue with, you know, with
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Us. So me
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knowing that to be true about you means that I would
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better know how to identify that
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and then recognize when you're doing that to like,
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I don't know, it's almost like, I mean, I,
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I have a very similar thing to you,
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but it'd be like not in your best
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interest every time. Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. It's, it's definitely a detriment.
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It's, it's, sometimes it's, I put others
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before myself and then realize I have
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To have some it osteo. Yeah.
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It does cost me. Yeah. So that brings us here.
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Let's see mine. Okay, so yours, empathizer, coach Catalyst.
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And then mine was,
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let's see, what was the name of the website?
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This is high five. That's where we did it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Which was a, it was a good website. Yeah.
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Right. So mine is strategist, catalyst believer.
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So yeah. Anyway, fun to know. Mm-hmm.
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So we were just kind of going back over the last
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conversation because,
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and I'll let you share this part about the questions
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that you've received since you're a dad, you have kids, uh,
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you have teens, well, really all different ages. Yeah,
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Yeah, for sure. Um,
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yeah, I think the, you're, you're, you're speaking
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of the, my 15-year-old son brought up the,
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he brought up the b what is the, the,
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the correct term for the peptide?
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Oh, BPC 1 57. Yeah. So he, I picked him
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Body protection complex.
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Is it? Okay. So I, I picked him up from, from wrestling
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and he basically hits me with the dad.
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Do you know what that is? And I right when he said it, I, I,
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well, I believe that it was a peptide.
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Yeah. And I said, yeah, I believe I do.
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Why He's like a kid from wrestling once says
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that he can get it for me because of my knees.
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He's been, he has been injured in his knees.
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And as some, as dad, I,
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my knee jerk reaction was like, no, absolutely not.
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That's not gonna happen. Yeah.
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And then, and then I did because, just
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because I not knowing, I just didn't know. And I
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Just so unfamiliar with the product.
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Yes. And he's a, a
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Kid, he's, he's 15. Yeah.
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Thinking like, if, are you injured or are you hurt?
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Yeah. If you're injured, there's a problem.
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If you're hurt, I feel like I'm, you know,
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I was born in the eighties, I feel like you kind of put,
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put some dirt on and walk it off.
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But yeah. Hi, his, he, hi. He has injured his knees.
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His knees are a problem. Okay.
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Um, because he is doing wrestling now,
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so he's never done wrestling.
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So I felt like, well, maybe you just don't because you're 15
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and you're jumping into it and you don't know how
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to actually wrestle correctly.
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My, yeah. So I'm just giving him, giving a bunch
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of excuses on why you don't need to add that.
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Yeah. And then I, I basically told him, I was like, well,
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actually I do take some peptides
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and I believe I, I don't even,
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But you told him in that moment.
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Yeah. I said, and we never really talked about that. Wow.
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We never talked about it. He is all, and then he said,
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are those those things that are in the fridge?
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I said, yes, they are. And I basically, my excuse was,
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I am two and a half times older than you
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and I'm dad. That's what you
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Told him? Yes.
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That's what I told him. I was like, I'm old, I'm pain.
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You know, and I've, you know, spoken to, you know, spoken
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to a, to a doctor about it.
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And then, you know, after your, our conversation, I
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feel like maybe I was a little abrupt
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and, you know, should have
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maybe thought about it a little bit more.
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And now after having more conversations, I feel like,
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you know, it is something to talk about.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And, and definitely like, knowing how to talk about it.
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And like I was telling you off camera,
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I get these questions from parents a little bit
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for education, but also outta fear.
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And, uh,
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and then some of them in the category of, um,
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make my kid a superhuman.
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So, um, there's definitely a space in between
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to navigate it.
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I, I don't have kids,
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but definitely for safety profile, these are not an FDA,
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which, what does that mean?
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There's a lot to say about it, except
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that FDA is the language that doctors are trained to speak
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and, and treat within, you know,
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there's certain definition definitions
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and guidelines that we're supposed to abide by.
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But, so within like the, the realm of
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off-label is, as we call it, so sort of going rogue,
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but it's also in the supplement category.
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Um, this is something that is relatively safe.
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Now, the reason that you take it, there's different reasons.
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It's supposed to have really good healing quality.
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So if you have an acute injury, doesn't, you know,
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it doesn't really so much matter, like where's the injury,
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like your gut would benefit from it.
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There's nasal spray options, there's oral options,
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there's injectable options.
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You can inject intramuscular for that.
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You can also, um, just do into the joint.
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Um, I do that, uh, if somebody has, like,
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say they sprained their knee playing soccer. Is that what?
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Wrestling? Wrestling?
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Well for you, I think you're taking
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Something. Oh, for me. Oh yeah. I,
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yes, I,
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and I'm telling him to suck it up.
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And I am trying to do anything to fix my calf.
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I was doing, uh, parents versus kids' soccer. That's
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What it was. Yeah. And
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I, I believe the first time I did it,
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about a month ago, I tore the bottom part
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of my calf, like below my calf.
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Mm-hmm. And, you know, spoke to a friend of ours
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that we know, and a pa and said, Hey, I, I, I hurt myself.
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He's, he said, can you point your toe?
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He's, and, and I said, yes I can.
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The issue is when I lift my toe up, he said, okay, well,
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better than my, my understanding is it's, I hurt something,
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but I hurt the better of the two. Yeah. Um, kind
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Of He's checking you for Achilles rupture.
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Yes. I thought, holy s**t. I broke my Achilles.
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I went and I was like, oh, is my achilles still there?
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I've never hurt my achilles. And I was like, crap.
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It was cold. Yeah. It was all that.
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Uh, the next time, which happened, you know, four days ago,
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the wife said, you make sure you stretch.
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And I stretched and do the whole routine
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and went twice as long playing soccer.
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But I am 43 years old trying to run around
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with these little 12 year olds and did it again.
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I felt it. I was like, holy crap.
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Is that, was it my right calf?
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The, I, I don't remember,
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but I felt like I was the right calf
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because I do have some, like,
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some little soreness in the back of my calf.
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I still have it from a month ago. Yeah.
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I did the same damn injury. Did both legs. Oh, I
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Hate that. For you
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Doing, doing the same thing.
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So do I need peptides? Do I stick stuff
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Here? I would without
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even like hesitation give you the peptides.
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I would do the BPC 1, 5 7 Wolverine stack.
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I would, you know, I would, I wouldn't even think twice.
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Right. The difference really with kids, I mean,
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you just don't wanna do anything to interfere
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with their development.
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If you think about how much you change from like, day zero
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to two years old, you know, you see a rapid change,
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or like when you shift into, um, your hormones
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and you become a teenager, your voice deepens.
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If you're a male, like there's rapid change that happens.
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And so anything
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that you're giving would theoretically intercept
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those natural processes.
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So what are we doing? Not sure.
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Um, you know, the way I really like, I,
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like I said, just check more data.
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So you could just check labs more often.
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Like how are the kidneys doing? Are they impacted?
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Like, you could do that. The body's pretty, pretty able
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to heal itself, I believe.
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You know, sometimes it needs a little bit of replacement
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of something, uh, whether it's PPC,
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which is a healing compound or, um, rest or whatever.
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Like it needs a little bit goes a long way,
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especially when you're at that age. Yeah.
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And I am taking testosterone.
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I don't know if we have public knowledge,
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but I'm not just built like this naturally, but
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Oh, okay. Okay.
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I'm just, you know, you might think, might think he's
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a, he's a stud you
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Teenager is what I was thinking. Yeah,
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Yeah. Like, oh, he's got a teen
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body.
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No, but, um, the, the testosterone obviously based off
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of the doctor who educated
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and knowing that I could take the Wolverine
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stack and, you know, I
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Totally fine together.
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Yeah. So yeah. That, that feels, that feels well.
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And then the, the, the kid situation is just, if it's,
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I think the natural progression of, you know, be
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as you know, was a teen
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and knowing that there's still a lot for
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Developmental Yeah.
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More development. I didn't want to hinder that.
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I didn't want anything to be an
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issue, you know, do it today.
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And then there's an issue in 10 years. Yeah.
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I didn't wanna be a part of that,
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but knowing that it's okay, it's, you know,
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not everything to excess. Correct.
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Right. And theoretically, peptides are short acting.
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They're short term.
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How much can they really,
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how much harm could you do in a long term platform?
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So if you are comparing hormone replacement, which hormones
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cross into a cell, they control the DNA.
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Like if you're playing a video game, I don't know
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how to you play like this.
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I don't even, I had like a, I don't know,
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I was imagining like joysticks or so
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Yeah. Or a we
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this
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Or Right. So,
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so if you have a substance that has access to the DNA,
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that's more permit, that's more indefinite, that's more
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concerning and dangerous, theoretically,
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and more likely to like intercept in a very long-term way.
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Some process of development.
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But if you're thinking peptides, they don't go into the DNA,
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they don't modify that level.
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Yeah. Hormones like testosterone or estrogen
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or growth hormone, which I mean, I take all of those, but,
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but, um, you know,
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those are supposed to be cycled.
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So, so if I don't want to, as an adult, if I don't wanna,
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I shut down my body's ability to make those things.
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Mm-hmm. Then in my case, I cycle.
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So you can really get away with hormones.
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Things that can access the DNA of a cell,
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say six weeks, eight weeks at a time
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before you should break,
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or, uh, sometimes I'll do like a five days, a Monday
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through Friday and then off Saturday, sunday.
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So that's still that drop in the, the substance
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signals the body to step up and make. Mm-hmm.
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So, yeah. So you just don't do it for a long time.
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You just give it a little jolt and then take it away?
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Take it away, and let the body Yes. Kind
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Of ramp it out. So the cells
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stay alive, they keep the signal,
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the sensors are still there.
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The production system is still there
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because essentially it's like a factory.
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And so if you don't keep up the maintenance,
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you don't keep the cells going.
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The mitochondria, which produce your energy, they will,
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they'll, they'll shut down production.
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Yeah. They'll go to sleep. It's called autophagy. Okay.
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The clearance of those sleeping ones is autophagy,
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but if they're just sleeping, they're senescent.
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So senescent sleeping cells are useless.
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They're just taking up real estate. Mm-hmm.
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There is no point.
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And that's like a guy standing in the way of a hallway.
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Like, move, move dude. Yeah. Walk through.
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So that's kind of a good way to think about it.
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And then if you're like, okay,
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well I'm taking all these supplements
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and I don't care if I have to make it myself.
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So, all right, great.
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So then those mitochondria kind of, they go
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to sleep now you wanna clear them,
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you wanna push the sky outta the way.
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So that's where things like, uh,
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exercise is super important.
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That is good for turning, like moving debris
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and turning over cells, especially if they're useless
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and not, not working or needed, um,
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the sauna, you know?
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Mm-hmm. Just like ex red light. Yeah.
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Red light exposure to, to extreme heat or cold plunges.
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Um, and then you also get the feel good Yeah.
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Experience with those. But the dopamine,
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But is, are peptides, you know, guy talk, you know,
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when somebody, when somebody talks about peptides, you hear
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that I don't go to the gym like I should,
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but when people start to know, oh, well Justin did,
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does this, or even testosterone.
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I, my understanding as somebody who's not a doctor was the,
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the bro talk was your base, your testosterone's going lower
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and lower, the older we get. Is that correct?
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There's a natural drop after the age of 35. Yes.
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Like significant, like a, a water slide.
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Yeah. So I, my understanding with the, the people
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who I talked about, you know, you didn't gimme my first dose
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of testosterone, but was your body's basically
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quote unquote dying.
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It's going down. Mm-hmm.
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And, you know, as a a 15-year-old, it's going up. Yeah.
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I'm going down and I'm trying to just keep it at that level.
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That's a great thing that you just said. Yeah.
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Because if you can imagine like, when, if I were
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to give a 15-year-old testosterone, then the signal
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to keep making more, it would cap it.
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Mm-hmm. So what he has is what he has,
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his development is what he is.
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And you know, what would really, so the main thing
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after you stop growing,
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'cause like, say you reach like 15, 17,
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your growth plate fuses mm-hmm.
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The frontal lobe where your decision making is,
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where your higher exec executive functioning exists.
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That is dull. You're kind of like, I, I think about that
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and I'm like, I don't wanna, I don't know.
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It seems super important. Yeah.
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Yeah. And for this kid in question, I'm, yeah,
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I'm not gonna do that because he needs
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that lobe because Yeah.
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He, he definitely needs that.
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Uh, can I spitball a couple, a couple, like non non,
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like frequently asked questions or Bro, talk about, yeah.
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Testosterone. Yeah. If I take testosterone,
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my body stops producing testosterone, is
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that based off of how much I take? Or am i
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It greatly reduces the amount that you make.
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Okay. And is that a, if I'm not making any,
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I think when I first, when I got tested, what is the scale?
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I guess, what is the scale for testosterone?
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I know the, the women's, the,
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the women's scale is, is is lower.
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Correct? Like high testosterone,
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normal testosterone, whatever. Where is that supposed
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To be? Yeah. So I,
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for, for men by reference range,
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normal medicine, boring lab, uh,
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norms would be like 600 to 900. And
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That's normal. That's
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normal. Doesn't mean that people feel good mm-hmm.
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At that range or that it's like perfect for customized care.
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Yeah. But if you're seeing a regular doctor,
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and this is what your results come back as,
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then they'll say, oh, you're good.
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And then there's probably no more conversation from there.
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So whether you feel good or you don't feel good,
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that's what it's normal.
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Yeah. What, what is your magic number?
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Or, I know I'm, I assume you can't box it all there,
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but is if you saw, that's a good question.
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If you saw a 900, are you still thinking,
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Hey, it could probably be better?
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Or how do you feel? Because the nu like you're saying,
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my number could have been eight 50, but I feel like s**t,
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The number one thing that I always, always try to
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lead with is I'm treating the person, not the paper.
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So the labs are insightful, they're helpful, um,
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but they don't really give me the full decision.
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The full decision comes from the person conversation.
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How do you feel? Yeah. Do you,
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do you feel like you have mental clarity?
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Do you feel, uh, like your libido is good?
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Do you feel like you're working out?
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Are you lifting heavier? I lift heavier with testosterone.
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How do you feel when somebody comes in, like a person
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who doesn't like, there is those people that lift
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and work out and eat well,
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and then there's us, us the others who are busy dads,
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you know, can't do, you know, maybe it might be golf.
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Golf is, you know, is my new thing,
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and I'm trying to make that health, my health,
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my healthy, um, activity.
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But when somebody comes in there, then they say,
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Hey, I want testosterone.
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And you look at 'em and you, you obviously can tell
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that they're not at the gym regularly.
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It's just not in the carts for everybody.
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Not everybody's gonna be at the gym.
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Do you, do you put them in a different box
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and try to help them get to a point?
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I'm a little aggressive. Okay. I'll tell you.
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Can you tell 'em, you gotta get in the gym,
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or you're not gonna get any of this, or,
18:51
It depends on the person.
18:52
Okay. So I'm not gonna go into you as the
18:57
specimen at this moment, but I do have another client.
19:03
Okay. We're not talking about me. I'm asking for a friend.
19:07
So, uh, you know,
19:09
sometimes it means I do send people from my team out to
19:12
that person, whether they're not getting their shots.
19:15
'cause they're like, oh, I forgot, like,
19:16
so inconsistent testosterone use is a problem.
19:19
Oh yeah. Um, you have like other issues that come up
19:22
with like estrogen, you know, rebound.
19:25
But if it's failure to load your muscles, then
19:29
I will, it'll just be a very annoying,
19:33
like, I won't go away.
19:34
Like, we have to, we have to like load your muscles.
19:36
So sometimes sending a trainer to somebody is my next move.
19:41
And it doesn't take long. It does not.
19:43
I mean, just say you did like 10, 15 minutes Exactly.
19:46
Something if you did that,
19:49
it is tremendously more beneficial.
19:52
Even like your, your lifespan is gonna be more,
19:55
so it's worth your time.
19:57
So if you're like, oh, if I, the act of going to the gym,
20:01
I mean, there's prem anxiety,
20:02
there's like procrastination that happens.
20:05
Like there's just so many things.
20:06
But even just the thought of you about to work out
20:08
and then say you did work out for 15 minutes,
20:10
you just did like low reps, so you did, you know, six
20:13
to eight curls
20:17
and, uh, you did that three times
20:20
and you did maybe some, some air squats.
20:22
I mean, it does not take much. It
20:24
Can be calisthenic though, right?
20:25
It doesn't absolutely be body weight. Yes.
20:26
You can literally do it at home.
20:28
Literally do it at home.
20:29
Don't make it a big deal, but you've got to do it.
20:32
And so the, I can't do it. I'm busy. All these things.
20:34
I'm like, I, here's what I hear. Wah wah wah.
20:37
W wah wa wa wa waah wa wa
20:39
We're not talking about me, right?
20:40
No, your friends. No. Yeah, my friend.
20:42
Yes. Yeah. But there's lots of people like your friends.
20:46
Yeah. Lot of friends. Yeah. Yeah.
20:47
And so, and so I really, it, it's part of I guess what I do
20:51
to navigate that.
20:52
And like, as I hear in conversation things that keep kind
20:55
of coming back up and I'm like,
20:57
okay, so this is the barrier.
20:58
I, I try to identify the barriers.
21:00
So if you're saying, well, I'm just busy da, and,
21:03
and your schedule's erratic.
21:05
Mm-hmm. Your friend's schedule's erratic. Right? Exactly.
21:07
Yep. So in that scenario, um, so what could I,
21:13
what space could I find that's consistent for you?
21:15
I mean, just walking down the hallway,
21:17
It feels like you don't want, you're not gonna find,
21:18
you're gonna find a place where you're,
21:20
there's not a No, you're
21:21
Not, I'm not gonna let you fail. Yeah, yeah,
21:22
Yeah. You're gonna find
21:23
your Yes. Lay, lay out your schedule.
21:25
Let me hear all the sh all the stuff you have to do. Yes.
21:28
And let's find a time where you can take 10 minutes
21:30
to do some body lunges.
21:31
Exactly. I mean, that's nothing. Yeah, that's nothing.
21:33
I've wasted way more time Yeah. Doing
21:35
That thing. And I, and I, and I
21:36
feel like as far as I've known you,
21:37
and I've never been, you know, you know, I,
21:39
I'm not this person, but I assume that you're taking, that
21:42
you want this person to genuinely feel better
21:44
and you know that Absolutely.
21:46
A magic peptide or a pill. There's not a magic pill.
21:48
Nothing. Yeah. So like the peptides will help
21:50
and the, they, the testosterone will help.
21:52
All these things will help. And you still,
21:53
you need to put a little effort in.
21:55
Yeah. You gotta what you put in you get back. Yeah.
21:57
Is what I, yeah. Because I mean, honestly,
21:59
your success is my success.
22:01
If you fail, then like, we failed. Mm-hmm.
22:03
And I'm like, what? Okay, we're gonna get an A plus. Yeah.
22:06
And even if, even if we make like a B,
22:08
that's better than the f you're trying to give yourself.
22:12
So just Yeah.
22:13
Identifying those barriers and,
22:14
and people aren't, you're not going, you're not going to get
22:17
where you're trying to go or really make any traction just
22:21
with one thing, one supplement, one injection, one product.
22:24
It's going to be probably with a team, you know,
22:27
surrounding yourself with the right recipe for success
22:30
and giving your body the right tools for success.
22:33
One thing is not it. Yeah.
22:35
Well, you definitely can't do 20 bad habits in a day.
22:40
Right. Or a week in a month
22:41
and fix it with one little thing.
22:42
Right. You have to kill some of those things off.
22:45
It's, I think it's impossible to do. It's insanity.
22:47
You can't do the same thing and expect a different result.
22:49
So you have to change a little bit.
22:51
And maybe not for some of my, like my friend,
22:53
the weak-minded friends, you know, you cut out, you know,
22:56
maybe cut out eating late or Yeah.
22:58
Eating before a bad thing that I, a habit
23:00
that I have is eating late.
23:02
Yeah. I love to eat late.
23:03
And I, and now I know that that is bad for me.
23:06
My sleep has been bad for years, you know,
23:08
from back and neck problems.
23:09
But just, why is my sleep so bad?
23:11
Oh, well, I ate at nine mm-hmm.
23:13
And I'm going to bed at 9 30, 9 45,
23:15
and my body is correct mm-hmm.
23:18
Processing that food. So I, when I'm supposed
23:20
to be sleeping, it's digesting food.
23:23
Is that right? Or is that a myth? Or am I,
23:25
There's a lot to
23:26
that and I, that's pretty different topic.
23:28
You know, I think we, it is worthwhile
23:30
to give it energy in a whole space,
23:33
but the short version is, it depends on the person.
23:37
The major conversation is really asking what happens
23:42
after I eat and if I go to sleep,
23:45
what happens when I go to sleep?
23:46
And it can, these two things coexist together.
23:50
So for some people it might be helpful for them to sleep
23:54
because you get insulin that goes up, uh,
23:58
it's called splenic dilation.
23:59
You get your blood vessels that dilate, they give more blood
24:03
to the stomach and digestion, rest and digest.
24:06
Some people like a bowl of cereal
24:08
or eating late makes them go to sleep.
24:11
And it's that spl splenic dilation
24:13
and the insulin that makes them feel sleepy.
24:16
Oh, for sure. I feel sleepy.
24:17
But yeah, I, you know, I eat some food. I eat a sandwich.
24:20
I feel sleepy. But is that helping my sleep?
24:23
Is the sleep better because of
24:25
That? It's not a ideal. Well, okay.
24:26
So your sleep might be good.
24:27
Okay. So say it helps in the sleep performance category.
24:30
Like your, you feel like that helps me go to sleep
24:32
and stay asleep, but in the space of longevity
24:35
and efficiency and performance
24:37
and, uh, your next day.
24:41
So, so it, it takes away from that. Yeah.
24:44
Just like, I mean, I think of it, there is a really good,
24:47
uh, podcast I listened to by, um, this,
24:50
he's a neuroscientist.
24:52
But essentially you're always kind of balancing like, okay,
24:56
I have this long, this many years
24:59
that I'm genetically predisposed to live.
25:02
And my lifestyle counts for, you know, the range of like,
25:07
say five to 20 years that you could add on or take away.
25:10
Mm-hmm. 'cause you can live hard, die young.
25:14
You can, you know, live slower, live longer,
25:18
but you're always kind of thinking like against that insulin
25:22
that is spiked.
25:23
And, and that remains higher.
25:25
You live shorter, a lower insulin.
25:29
You live longer, lower glucose, you live longer,
25:32
you sleep more deeply.
25:34
You live longer. If you clear out your cells more
25:38
and have a healthier mitochondria with, uh,
25:41
more autophagy, you live longer.
25:43
I think sleep's a whole different topic.
25:45
'cause there's a lot, like Totally is the, the, the,
25:47
the getting up and going pee as a 40-year-old and like
25:50
Prostate. Prostate. That friend.
25:52
Yeah. My friend says he wakes up
25:54
and goes to the bathroom a lot, so, okay.
25:57
And I, I know that's not regular, you know. Yeah.
25:59
Then some people, like, let's just say it's me.
26:01
Let's just say like, like I wake up, I,
26:03
I drink a big glass of water to go to bed.
26:05
'cause I feel like, oh, that's when I really take my water
26:07
in is right before I go to bed.
26:09
Why? I don't know.
26:10
'cause I don't drink water during the day.
26:11
Like, my business partner literally has to give me,
26:13
brings me water while we're on set, because I don't drink
26:15
Water. I used to be me. Yeah.
26:17
And I just don't, I'm like, I don't need water.
26:18
And then like, yes, I know that's bad. I understand.
26:21
That's bad. And you know,
26:22
my daughter bought me a nice little, uh, aala.
26:25
Yeah. That, that I can carry. I carry around, but I Sounds
26:27
Cute. A koala. What is it?
26:29
It's an aala. It's like the drink.
26:31
I'm gonna look that Up right now. Yeah.
26:32
It's like everybody has 'em.
26:33
Like, they're like, I definitely have a, like a and they're,
26:36
and they're, and they're great because they're, you can,
26:38
you can, it's a straw,
26:39
but also you can drink out of like a normal,
26:41
Like a sippy cup.
26:43
Yeah. It's basically a like an adult sippy cup.
26:45
But it also, you can drink out
26:46
of it this way, but then if you don't
26:48
Want, oh, it comes up as a baby something.
26:51
Okay. I must be listening. A wallow.
26:52
Uh, how do you spell it a s**t?
26:55
I think if you just look, uh, yeah,
26:57
I think there's a w Oh Walla. Oh,
26:58
Walla. Oh w yeah.
27:00
But you know, she bought me one of those
27:02
and I've had it for two years
27:03
and I usually will have it with me.
27:04
That that's nice. But I think carrying it with you isn't
27:07
as good as drinking out of it.
27:09
Like, just carrying around with me, you know? So,
27:11
Um, my partner has an awa.
27:13
I didn't know that that's what mm-hmm.
27:14
An AWA was or that it's a thing.
27:16
The colors are great on it. The colors
27:17
Are great. Yeah. You,
27:18
It doesn't fit into any couple or heat drops
27:20
It constantly.
27:21
Well they're, they're, they, they do make, if you like,
27:24
shop on Amazon or, you know, they,
27:26
they do make like adapters for that,
27:28
which is a big o pain in the ass, but an adapter for that.
27:31
But any, any water can,
27:33
canteen doesn't fit in anything normal.
27:34
Like Yeah. Some And your a wall is not gonna fit in
27:37
something that can fit into, yeah.
27:39
So, yeah, I think the water and intake,
27:40
but yes, drinking water before bed.
27:42
'cause I just feel like I want to, it's right by the bed.
27:44
The bed, and I drink it and I wake up three times. And then
27:47
Do you have your phone on you?
27:49
No. Oh. What time do you wake up?
27:52
I wake up at, I wake, I wake up multiple times a night,
27:56
but when I wake up it's five 30.
27:59
Okay. But I wake up constantly to wake up, you know?
28:01
Yeah. The pillow between the legs.
28:03
If we're gonna talking about sleep, the pillow
28:04
between the legs, sleep back, the back and then here.
28:06
Yeah. Wake up, touch my phone. Crap.
28:08
It's a, I go to bed at nine to 10 mm-hmm. 11 ish. Mm-hmm.
28:13
Sometimes I know that I have other questions,
28:15
but go to try to go to bed at the same time.
28:18
Mm-hmm. Like a routine. Yeah.
28:19
And I, I read that and I
28:20
was like, Ooh, that's, that makes sense.
28:21
Yeah. Go to bed at the same time all the time if you can.
28:24
Yeah. Go to bed. Call it 10 o'clock.
28:28
It's better for your, a circadian rhythm. Mm-hmm.
28:30
Rhythm. Rhythm. Yeah. So go to bed at 10. Yeah.
28:32
I'm up at, I wake up.
28:34
I feel like I got a, I I feel like
28:35
it's, I've been asleep for hours.
28:36
Mm-hmm. I roll over, I test my phone. It's two hours.
28:39
That's right. Okay.
28:41
So, yeah. But just, yeah.
28:42
But it's like, what time is it because is it, is it right
28:44
before I have to wake up or what?
28:45
Yeah. What effing time is it?
28:47
So I go and click and then I'm back and forth
28:48
and I'm grabbing my pillow.
28:50
That's long pillow that's right on the side of the bed.
28:51
Put it in between the legs, roll over, toss and turn.
28:54
Um, and maybe possibly go to the bathroom.
28:56
The bathroom, the bathroom trips have been less than mm-hmm.
28:59
But they definitely are still there. Mm-hmm.
29:01
You know, and it's just one of those things where I'm like,
29:02
I think I can hold it, but I have two more hours of sleep.
29:05
I'd rather just get this outta me and then try to relax.
29:08
It's such a habit to grab the phone and check.
29:11
It is such a habit. It's such a bad one. Yeah.
29:14
I mean, every time that happens, I would think,
29:18
think of that as toxic.
29:20
It, it literally is toxic
29:21
because you ruin your melatonin search
29:24
and then it just, in, in every loop of
29:26
that circadian pattern is just like, you,
29:29
you've just murdered it.
29:31
Yeah. And start all, you have to start again.
29:33
Yeah. So, um, I mean, to think of it in
29:36
that extreme is like, it seems crazy.
29:38
But now that we're here
29:39
and like, there's such a problem, I, I have trouble too,
29:42
just like resting, chilling.
29:45
Mm-hmm. Uh, sitting,
29:46
Being bored. Being
29:47
Bored. Just being bored. I don't even
29:48
know what, what is this?
29:50
Yeah. So, so I mean, just the, the touching
29:52
of the phone, looking at the time.
29:53
And then, you know, say, say you just stopped doing
29:56
that part and you just like slept through the whole night.
29:59
Well, what would that look like?
30:00
Well, drinking water in the morning.
30:02
So what would that look like? Mm-hmm.
30:04
Because you can't think about it. Well just wake up
30:07
and that's the first thing that you do.
30:09
So, set an alarm on your phone
30:10
that you have your wake up alarm.
30:11
Then you have your water alarm.
30:13
How, how is your sleep? How do you, oh, okay.
30:16
Well, last thing before, because
30:17
I'd like to hear your opinion.
30:18
Dreaming. I used to dream a lot as a child. Yeah.
30:21
And twenties, like vivid dreams. Mm-hmm.
30:24
You know, not a lot of weird dreams, but dreams. Yeah.
30:26
And my son will wake up and
30:27
he's like, dad, I had this dream.
30:28
I'm like, mother, I don't, I haven't dreamt ever.
30:31
And the only time I actually remember dreaming is yeah.
30:34
Waking up, checking my phone
30:36
and going back to bed for 45 minutes
30:38
and then boom, I remember my dream.
30:39
I feel like that's when I remember my dream. Yeah.
30:41
I re I will remember a dream maybe
30:44
two or three times a year now.
30:45
And I feel like I don't even dream anymore.
30:47
I don't feel like I get to that point
30:48
where my body even starts to dream.
30:50
Yeah. And then I'm waking up constantly.
30:51
I'm waking up two to five times a night. Yeah.
30:54
Going to the bathroom maybe once or twice and not dreaming.
30:57
I like, what is your sleep like? I know how my wife sleeps.
31:00
She sleeps like a damn rock. How do you sleep? Yeah.
31:03
I don't. Well, okay, so you don't sleep at all?
31:07
No, I, I do no sleep. No sleep.
31:09
I sleep eight hours, seven to eight hours.
31:12
I am a tyrant on myself now about sleep.
31:15
And if I break my own rules with myself
31:20
of going to bed, say it's nine 30
31:22
and I'm not in bed, I hate myself.
31:25
And I'm like, I failed.
31:26
And so that is, that is like my new protected space.
31:29
Because that's your longevity.
31:30
That's when you, that's, that's your, your
31:32
Brain body fix. I feel
31:33
like your body fixes yourself. Yes.
31:34
That's where like all that happens. Yeah.
31:37
Do you, do you put your phone away?
31:38
The I I read you put your phone away
31:40
an hour before or four, five?
31:41
Uh, at at, yeah. At length. Before you go to bed.
31:43
Not here, here, here. I'm on the phone.
31:45
I drop it on my head. Oh crap. Now I have to go to bed.
31:46
I put it down and go straight to bed. Yeah. I,
31:48
No, my, my phone is down. I
31:49
don't look at it past nine usually maybe nine 30 if I'm
31:52
really like, slacking on my own rule.
31:54
But, um, you know, to answer that question, I have had to
32:00
look at this ring to,
32:04
to better answer for myself because
32:06
What is that called? I, this
32:07
Is a ring con.
32:08
Okay. Alright. And GC C kind
32:11
Of like a, kinda like the whoop strap, but it a ring. I
32:13
Like the whoop, I think the whoop is more like stylish.
32:15
But this is, this is good.
32:16
If I'm working out, I don't like
32:17
how it feels with weights in my hands.
32:19
But, um, yeah.
32:21
I, I think I would've said subjectively
32:23
that I sleep great prior
32:25
to me getting like a tyrant on myself.
32:27
But I feel great and I sleep well. It's not a problem.
32:29
It's something else is wrong. Yeah. Right.
32:31
So, but then after I got this
32:32
and I actually looked at the real dad of my sleep,
32:36
it was atrocities.
32:37
I was like, I had, I don't know, maybe six to seven hours
32:41
or often even four to five hours of light sleep.
32:45
That's like, that's a sham. That's a joke.
32:47
I was just like, that is not, no one's healing.
32:49
No one's getting brain health in that. Yeah.
32:51
That's, you wanna get to rem is that
32:53
Want ideally four hours.
32:56
First four hours are gonna be your deep restorative sleep
32:59
and you wouldn't dream in that.
33:01
And then the second four hours is really where you rem.
33:04
And if you're depleted on sleep
33:06
or if you're depleted in really like your prior rems,
33:09
you didn't have enough REM sleep
33:11
or you didn't have enough deep restorative,
33:12
then you won't make it all the way to the REM sleep.
33:14
This is a space where you really see dreams
33:17
and you have like longer like pulses of rem
33:20
and then they shorten the next cycle is a little shorter.
33:23
The next one's a little shorter. And this is a shorter,
33:25
and this is the one that usually like, wake up from.
33:28
And it's really weird because in sleep, your,
33:30
your body is really like releasing these
33:32
chemicals that paralyze you.
33:34
And then they un paralyze you paralyze, you un paralyze you.
33:38
And some people with a disorder,
33:40
they get paralyzed and they wake up
33:43
And they Can't move. And they
33:44
can't move. That's a hypnagogic state.
33:47
It looks awful. I don't have it, but that would would suck.
33:52
Mm-hmm. But anyway, so I was not having that,
33:56
um, you know, proper sleep.
33:57
I was just all in like the light sleep zone. That's garbage.
34:00
Yeah. It's like a little cat nap. Mm-hmm. My cat, no.
34:03
So I just, I had to really like work on it.
34:06
And certain things like, uh,
34:08
melatonin can make you dream more.
34:10
Mm-hmm. Uh, they don't do that for everybody.
34:13
But I would say it probably does that for me. Yeah.
34:16
I did Ambien a long time ago. And
34:17
Did you like it?
34:19
Um, I, I was asleep. Yeah. For the whole night.
34:22
I didn't feel rested. Yeah.
34:23
I felt like it just put me to bed. Yeah.
34:25
And just kept me there. And then I woke up.
34:27
The, the issue for me is waking up tired.
34:29
Yeah. That's the worst, like
34:30
Hangover.
34:32
Nope. It What? Or really probably just like,
34:34
you didn't have the,
34:36
the deep restorative. You probably Okay.
34:38
Not, probably not, not drinking. I'm tired.
34:39
I'm, I'm going to bed Tired, exhausted waking up. Yeah.
34:42
And still feeling tired. Not
34:43
Feeling. So you stayed at, you stayed
34:44
essentially in the light sleep zone?
34:46
The one that I was in. I
34:47
Feel like that's where I live.
34:48
I don't feel I'm, I don't feel like I'm in rem. Yeah.
34:51
Is that like a co is that a common thing
34:53
for people nowadays?
34:54
Or is it just, is it just based off of just,
34:57
I think it's, it's easier to achieve light sleep.
34:59
If we're saying like, what is more challenging?
35:02
What do people struggle with the most?
35:03
They're going to struggle more
35:04
with the deep restorative sleep to like drop in.
35:08
'cause like, if you close your eyes, like
35:09
that's like alpha sleep.
35:11
And if you drop into your first layer of sleep, be sleep,
35:14
you want delta sleep, that's like,
35:17
it's a different wavelength.
35:18
If neurology has got like little stickers on your head.
35:20
Yeah. Delta, you can track it. It's deep sleep.
35:23
The waves of your brain are different.
35:25
Your mitochondria respond different.
35:27
Your energy shifts differently.
35:30
Is it all? So I'm a a are you a deep sleeper
35:33
or are you are like, do you catnap do you are do you wake up
35:36
At I never nap. Oh,
35:37
Well, like when you sleep, you know,
35:39
one little cricket at the door, you wake.
35:40
Oh yeah. Could something like pull me out of deep sleep?
35:43
Um, I, if I am,
35:47
if I'm like in my usual like
35:49
proper like Yeah, proper normal.
35:50
Yeah. Then, then if it's like probably like early,
35:53
early in the morning, then I might hear it.
35:55
But otherwise I would probably like
35:57
be more in the deep sleep. Yeah.
35:59
I, so I'm weird. I, I feel like I'm weird.
36:02
A weird case because I don't feel rested.
36:04
But I am a deep sleeper and I'm that person.
36:06
Like, I know there's some people that take a while
36:08
to kind of get in sleep.
36:10
I'm a put my head down. Like my wife is
36:11
like, brush your teeth babe.
36:12
Let's you know, wait up for me. I literally close my eyes.
36:15
I'm, I'm out. I am out.
36:17
That's such a life skill.
36:18
Oh yeah. I'm, I can sleep anywhere. Yeah. If I had to.
36:21
Um, but I also, like,
36:23
I've been notoriously bad at falling asleep at parties,
36:26
like full blown house parties.
36:27
And I'm just done. I'm tired. I I used to do that. Yeah.
36:30
I'm tired. I literally, there was a house party
36:31
and that I'm thinking about, we were at a party.
36:34
There was 40 people there.
36:35
I think it was like New Year's Eve.
36:36
And I literally went to the living room, laid on the couch,
36:39
I slept all the way through it.
36:40
And people came up, took photos of me. I I was out.
36:43
I would not wake up for that.
36:44
But when it's time to actually sleep
36:46
and get really good sleep, I just can't.
36:47
I, yeah. My kids are yelling,
36:49
screaming, did you hear the bang?
36:51
I don't, I don't wake up. I do not wake up.
36:53
I'm probably not a good, you know, home invasion.
36:54
We're, we're screwed. But I don't feel, I don't feel like,
36:58
I don't feel like I get that rest.
37:00
So Yeah. I, I get, I get to sleep fast. I sleep deep.
37:03
I feel like it's a deep sleep,
37:04
but I don't feel like it's restorative. Like you,
37:06
Yeah. So if,
37:07
if a patient like you came in,
37:11
I would just have to get more data.
37:12
So I would, um, say sleep
37:14
Study. Do you do a sleep study?
37:15
Do you send 'em?
37:16
So you can, you can, but do you
37:17
Like sleep studies As doctor?
37:18
I do. Yeah. Yeah. And we actually do them at phase one.
37:20
Really? So I know if you saw the rooms with the beds,
37:23
I saw the beds. We have all
37:24
The equipment. I asked
37:25
Her about that because I'm, you know,
37:27
I had some we can talk off 'cause Yeah.
37:31
I want somebody to poke and prod and figure out what real,
37:33
because you know, I feel like you, I can tell you how I feel
37:37
or like the things that I'm doing,
37:38
but I could be even just making, not making that up
37:40
and not giving you exactly the right info. But yeah,
37:43
That's in the subjective category. Yes. Yes.
37:45
Yeah. It could be subjective. So Yeah.
37:47
I didn't know they did that at phase. What is phase one?
37:49
Yep. Yep. It's clinical trials.
37:50
So we do pharmaceutical clinical trials.
37:53
We have different durations in different
37:55
pharmas that we work with.
37:57
The, the premise basically kind
38:00
of changes slightly based on which
38:01
company we're working with.
38:03
Uh, they could run anywhere from five weeks to 20 weeks.
38:07
It just depends which one. And
38:08
So clinical you're doing, you're testing meds
38:11
and seeing how they actually work.
38:12
Sometimes it's medication. Okay.
38:13
Sometimes it's just monitoring, uh,
38:16
looking at everybody's waves or their oxygen.
38:19
Okay. Uh, snoring, just, uh,
38:21
sometimes their behavioral studies, it just depends. Oh,
38:24
We could talk about snoring Second.
38:25
So, yeah. Oh my god. Well, snoring is a major part
38:27
of poor sleep. So,
38:29
And sleep apnea. And
38:30
All sleep apnea. So
38:31
it's very relevant too, when the conversation of
38:36
how am I sleeping, why don't I feel great?
38:38
So just everything that you told me now
38:41
that I would look at your, um, I would ask
38:43
to see your data from your, I'd be like, okay,
38:45
I hear you subjectively.
38:46
Mm-hmm. This is how you feel and
38:48
this is what your behaviors are.
38:49
But when you come back in one week,
38:51
let me see your watch data
38:53
or your, your, whatever your device is.
38:55
Yeah. So we look at that
38:58
Before you go on the, the, the ring, the watt,
39:00
the watch, the band.
39:02
Mm-hmm. There are, I do have an app.
39:04
I don't use it much anymore, but I do have an app
39:05
where you lay by you and it's not connected to you,
39:07
but it can, it can hear me grinding my
39:09
teeth. It can hear me
39:11
Snoring. You're a key snoring, key grinder.
39:12
Oh yeah. Hmm. Yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot to it.
39:15
We can unpack all that later.
39:17
But do you, like, is there one that it to me as,
39:20
as a non-doctor or a non-clinician, it would be nice
39:23
to be able to say, here, take the ring.
39:24
Take the whoop, I'm gonna send it home with you.
39:26
I want you to track yourself
39:27
for 30 days and come back to me.
39:29
Yeah. I'm sure that is not as good
39:31
as sending 'em to phase one.
39:33
And they do the, the, the sleep study, which is, you know,
39:36
Is that one. I think it's
39:37
for different purposes.
39:38
So I think, you know, you can still get really good
39:41
data just from a device.
39:43
And in fact, I have affiliate links.
39:44
I mean, I, I like the ring con.
39:46
I have, I like the whoop I have.
39:48
So you can make money when I buy this.
39:50
I would, I would make, yeah.
39:54
Sometimes I just give, I get discounts Right.
39:57
For people that I send. But, but you should,
39:59
But you believe in it though.
40:00
I believe in it. Yeah. I obviously,
40:01
But you're using it. Yeah. If you're using it. Yeah.
40:03
It changed my life.
40:04
So the fact that I just was, I'm a doctor
40:07
and I'm in this field
40:08
and I was the one telling my doctor I sleep great.
40:11
And then I was just like, grossed out
40:13
with the results of light sleep.
40:15
Yeah. Like, I'm a hypocrite.
40:18
So no, I felt, I felt like a total hypocrite.
40:20
But anyway, I changed it.
40:21
And in my case, I don't have structural issues of my,
40:24
my breathing airway so that I, and I don't snore.
40:28
Okay. I've asked, I've asked, I don't
40:31
Snore. I'm gonna ask Chris.
40:32
I have some videos like,
40:36
But I did evaluate, you know, myself for that.
40:39
And even like with your device, like my ring,
40:42
it'll show my oxygen levels.
40:43
So, um, if I have moments where I'm not breathing,
40:47
that'd be sleep apnea.
40:49
And so really less than 88% for a period
40:52
of time, that's a problem.
40:54
You know, you're, you're losing brain cells,
40:56
your sleep quality is terrible.
40:58
And, uh, obesity's a major side effect of
41:01
that high blood pressure.
41:03
Really, you can trace back a lot of comorbidities to that.
41:07
So, uh, diabetes, metabolic issues, PCOS, infertility,
41:11
there's so much.
41:13
So really like, I would say that'd be square one.
41:16
Like optimize your sleep. Are sleeping. Yeah.
41:18
How do you know, check your data.
41:19
I think the next time we do this, I think
41:21
because we're gonna, I think we're gonna glaze
41:23
over a lot of topics.
41:24
Yeah. And not, I, I think, I think most people want,
41:26
at least in my circles, the sleep,
41:29
I think really talking about sleep.
41:30
But in the snoring, there's so many different,
41:32
and then the devices, the, the tape, the tapes,
41:35
the apnea machines Yeah.
41:36
Devices that you kinda get sucked into. Yeah.
41:38
The straps, which I've done 'em all.
41:40
I've done 'em all as a self-diagnosed. I I've done it.
41:45
I I've done 'em, I've done the tape, I've done the thing.
41:47
Yeah. So those, those are nice.
41:48
And then like, I think a lot with where we're at in society
41:52
and in the world now, you know, stress.
41:54
Yeah. Stress is, I feel like stress kill. Oh, huge.
41:57
Yeah. And cortisol is
41:58
Business owner, Kids, you know, father, you know.
42:01
So I feel like, yeah. You know, cortisol is a thing
42:03
that I've been kind of looking
42:05
into, which I don't know enough.
42:06
Yeah. I don't, I don't know enough
42:07
to talk about it, but yeah.
42:08
I feel like I have a lot of
42:10
that, whatever that is, is, yeah.
42:11
You know, so, you know, I think that would be a topic for
42:14
I think the shortest version.
42:16
Just since you said cortisol, I mean, cortisol is good.
42:18
I feel like so far the conversation has been how bad it is.
42:22
Mm-hmm. We need it. I mean, what is it?
42:24
What, so cortisol is a hormone.
42:25
It's considered a stress hormone.
42:27
Uh, but really it's, if you think about it, it's like
42:31
that is the, it should be high in the morning
42:34
and low, like a kind of an s mm-hmm.
42:36
And then low at night when you go to bed,
42:39
when you rise up from, from sleep, uh,
42:42
you have like a energy boost
42:43
and then it, you know, it tells your body to wake up
42:46
and that makes you feel alert. And, and
42:49
It's not like adrenaline or is it like adrenaline?
42:51
It can't, it does act on adrenaline.
42:53
So, um, and you know, it's just one of those things,
42:56
like you don't want high levels of
42:57
that when you're sleeping.
42:58
Yeah. If you had a sustained cortisol,
43:01
then you would be looking into like
43:03
burning out your adrenals.
43:04
Like, then you're always like stimulating the,
43:07
the energy like fight or flight signal.
43:10
And then you get more fat oxidation.
43:12
And fat oxidation really just means like,
43:16
you're sending like all of these energy particles
43:18
to just trash randomly your, your mitochondria.
43:21
Yeah. So, so it's like the, it's not good.
43:24
It's good until it's bad.
43:26
Um, so if you have all of these like signals to, to fight
43:30
or flight and to go into like just push through this moment,
43:34
um, you're, you're not gonna just like rest and sleep.
43:38
What, what is if, if somebody has high cortisol?
43:41
Is it high body fat?
43:42
'cause I feel like the cortisol belly, like, it's like I,
43:46
I don't have a beer belly,
43:47
but I'm definitely not as fit as I was.
43:48
Yeah. Sorry. Funny nose. I de I'm definitely not as fit
43:51
as I was back then, but it's like, oh, my,
43:53
my stomach's not soft.
43:54
I've like, it's just hard.
43:56
But then I'm like, oh, it's
43:57
not hard because it's a six pack.
43:58
Yeah. It might be like a lot of cortisol. Is that, is that,
44:01
So there's kind of, there's a lot
44:02
of mixing of things there.
44:04
But is, so if you think of everything
44:07
as a signal, cortisol is a signal.
44:08
Mm-hmm. It's a hormone signal
44:10
and it does direct fat to certain parts of the body.
44:14
So if you see somebody who has a chronic state
44:16
of high cortisol, you will see fat directed to the belly
44:21
and to this little hump.
44:22
You ever Oh yeah. I seen it smell like a little low hump.
44:24
Yeah. So they have sustained high levels of cortisol.
44:28
So that means it breaks down fat here
44:30
and sends it here, sends it there,
44:32
it makes it central, central obesity.
44:34
I know some people that are like that.
44:35
And is that a, is that you have it or can that be her?
44:38
Can you it be passed down
44:39
or is it like, my family has like high blood pressure?
44:42
Is that, or is it just, is it case
44:44
by case? Person by person?
44:46
I would say most times it's really lifestyle. Okay.
44:49
And, and in general, you can think of it too, like this,
44:51
like there's 90 10, so 10% is your genetics.
44:54
90% is epigenetics. Okay.
44:56
So outside of what your family gives you. Okay.
44:59
Does that help? Yeah. Yeah.
45:00
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
45:01
And um, so for cortisol, like if you,
45:04
if you have a spike in your cortisol, like,
45:06
and you can get that just from like sprinting,
45:08
like that gives you a spike.
45:09
But if you have that, I mean that does,
45:12
that tells your immune system to, um, to boost up.
45:16
So you do temporarily boost your immune system.
45:18
So it does help you.
45:20
But if you don't, if you, if you just sustain in that,
45:24
that region, then you burn out.
45:26
Right? Yeah. Then it's like now you're in a chronic
45:28
inflammatory state, you no longer have the helper cells
45:32
that were now helping, uh, because they're, they've died.
45:36
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And now you just have chronic inflammation.
45:38
Yeah. So it's like the aftermath of sustained cortisol
45:41
that is problematic.
45:43
And it also also intercepts with all
45:46
of your normal circuits.
45:47
So like your circadian pattern, um,
45:50
histamine can be also a trigger for cortisol.
45:53
Mm-hmm. So it becomes bad very quickly when it's not spiking
45:57
at the right time and stopping at the right time.
45:59
I can't remember who told somebody when,
46:02
within the last like month
46:03
or six weeks, basically told me
46:05
that they do not like stress.
46:07
They don't talk about anything stressful or important
46:09
after five o'clock in the afternoon or or six.
46:11
I agree that I do that.
46:12
It's like, Hey, we're not gonna talk about life changes.
46:14
We're like, we'll talk about that. No decisions.
46:16
Yeah, no decisions. Or life threatening
46:17
because like, I I, this is not the right time.
46:20
I'm either tired. Yeah.
46:21
And I cannot, not further life
46:22
and remember who told me this, but I
46:24
was like, that makes a lot of sense.
46:25
Maybe me, it might have been you. S**t,
46:26
it could have been you.
46:27
It makes a lot of sense. Like,
46:28
I'm not gonna do anything like at this time
46:30
because it will jeopardize, you know, maybe I'm tired,
46:32
I had a long day and I I not make a really sound decision.
46:35
Yeah. But then also like, I gotta go to bed in four hours.
46:38
Yeah. And we're gonna, you're, we're gonna have a stressful
46:39
conversation about life and kids and marriages
46:41
and blah and blah and blah.
46:43
And then all of a sudden then I have to go to bed
46:44
and then that's gonna screw up my, my sleep.
46:46
Yeah. Which my, my sleep has already screwed. Yeah.
46:48
But I've kind of defaulted
46:49
to like, let's talk about tomorrow.
46:50
Yeah. Let's talk about tomorrow.
46:52
No, totally. I think timing is everything. So, so no.
46:55
Can you tell my wife, can you tell
46:56
my wife to not I will. I
46:57
Know her. She's my friend. I'll
46:58
tell her, tell
46:58
Her. Do not bring up
46:59
anything important after five o'clock. You
47:01
Didn't tell her yet? I would. I
47:02
Tried. I tried because
47:04
I tell that I genuinely, like, that's one of my rules
47:06
for like behavioral modifications.
47:08
So don't look at your phone.
47:10
Even, even if like, I get it, I'm a doctor.
47:12
I know maybe this is like the most important
47:14
text or call it might be.
47:15
Mm-hmm. But they need to call 9 1 1. Yeah. Really?
47:19
Because you have to worry about yourself too. I
47:21
Can't just, yeah. I
47:22
tell other people drop dad's
47:24
Too early. Yeah. You can't tell
47:25
me to do it. Yes.
47:26
And then not do you, you have to do it also
47:28
I have, have to practice what I preach.
47:30
And I'm really working to be diligent with that
47:32
because I want to walk the walk, talk the talk,
47:35
and teach people that they can do it.
47:37
You can be an entrepreneur, you can,
47:39
you can have all these other categories that you perform in,
47:42
but you can't sustain your performance in these categories
47:45
and keep, you know, borrowing energy over here.
47:49
Mm-hmm. Like the Red Bulls are gonna stop working. Mm.
47:51
Like the classic, oh, I could have coffee at midnight.
47:54
That doesn't do anything to me.
47:55
You know how many times I hear that, I'm like, you know
47:58
what, you have a problem.
47:59
Yeah. I've, I am, I'm definitely that person.
48:01
I, I always say that I don't even,
48:03
I don't need the energy drink.
48:05
Yeah. I just like the taste.
48:07
Well, that was me too. Yeah. Taste. So
48:10
I love the taste too. Yeah.
48:11
But now I don't touch 'em. I see that as poison.
48:14
Like as poison. I like the poison. It's so good.
48:16
The fruity, it's so fruity and good. And coffee.
48:19
I love coffee, but I feel like it's habitual now. Yeah.
48:21
I just do it just for,
48:22
and I don't feel like it gives me a pick me up.
48:25
I had a cup today. Mm-hmm. But I think it's just a routine.
48:27
It's that thing that I do. Yeah. It reminds me of my dad.
48:29
The smell of the coffee. I do it with my wife.
48:31
We drink a, a CAA cup of coffee, maybe two. Yeah.
48:34
But then it's onto, I don't,
48:35
I've been getting better about the Red Bulls and the drinks.
48:37
I don't do Red Bulls, but Yeah.
48:38
Um, I just love the taste
48:40
and I just like, if I can find something that I can do
48:42
and just, I don't know.
48:43
It's, it's habit. It's habit forming
48:45
and it's gross that
48:46
I know I shouldn't be doing it. And then
48:47
It was not gross. No. Uh,
48:48
so ca Okay. Caffeine is not gross. Caffeine is
48:52
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
48:53
Yeah. Coffee is not gross.
48:55
But what's interesting is I did a gut health test.
49:00
I used volume and I feel like of all of them
49:03
so far, that one's my favorite.
49:04
It kind of makes it very clear, like, eat this,
49:07
eat never eat this, eat a lot of this.
49:09
Mm-hmm. Um, and so, yeah, so coffee was on my list of never.
49:13
And I was like, oh my God, that's so rude.
49:16
I mean, in my case, I actually don't mind now learning that
49:20
because I use a substitute.
49:22
I don't know where you put those bags. Yeah.
49:25
I use a, that's like mushrooms ground
49:28
Up. Oh, okay. Yeah.
49:29
So not the weird ones, but like coffee.
49:31
So that's my coffee substitute. Is
49:33
That what's in that? Yes.
49:34
Ashwagandha lion's mane.
49:36
Uh, and then the creamer is collagen powder protein.
49:40
So altogether it's like 10 grams of protein
49:42
and, uh, no sugar.
49:44
That's a little funky. I think it's
49:46
Maybe 'cause it's cold now, maybe 'cause Yeah. But
49:49
You know what's funny? I, I don't
49:50
Know. I don't want to say what
49:51
it smells like, but
49:52
It's better than all of the other options.
49:54
Most of them do taste like dirt.
49:56
But for me this was a good substitute. You can try it.
50:00
It's like a cold coffee.
50:04
Tastes like water down coffee. Okay. Yeah.
50:07
It smells worse than it tastes. Okay. Yeah.
50:09
It's got a little peepee smell to it. It's gotta smell it.
50:12
It's got a, it's got smell if you be
50:15
subjective and just smell it.
50:16
It's got a little urine smell to it.
50:19
And is that the creamer that you're putting in it
50:21
or is it the, the mushrooms. It's got a little
50:23
Peachy. So I, I don't
50:24
touch creamer.
50:25
This there's no cream is a collagen powder when
50:28
Maybe it is collagen.
50:29
I don't know. It it smells symiotic. Yeah.
50:31
We're not gonna talk about the brand, but it smells a little
50:32
N BCAAs.
50:34
That could be it. But maybe it's
50:35
'cause it's cold and I just, I don't know. But that's
50:37
Hilarious. Yeah. Well,
50:38
okay, well God,
50:39
we're going over so many topics. Um, we can
50:42
Always like, sort 'em out and you know, it episodes, but
50:45
The, the coffee's great.
50:47
I know coffee black is the way you're supposed to take it.
50:50
I can't do that, my daughter. And
50:51
Sometimes that's, that, that's harmful too.
50:53
Is it? It's too acidic.
50:54
Or if you have, uh, reflux
50:56
or if you have uh, like a gastritis.
50:58
Mm-hmm. Or you take too much ibuprofen.
51:00
Like it can be bad too.
51:01
What about the synthetic creamers?
51:03
The fat, like I do the sugar tandem.
51:05
I sugar, poison, sugar-free French vanilla, the big jug.
51:09
That's this big. Yeah. I love that.
51:11
It's poison ed.
51:13
I feel like you're, you're feeding your, um,
51:15
your microbiome.
51:16
Like little, the bad ones that are
51:18
Still, I substituted with
51:19
kimchi though. I eat kimchi after though.
51:21
Kimchi is good for some but not all.
51:24
And I, I used to really think it was good for all.
51:27
What would you replace? Because so yes, the wife
51:29
and I do the sugar free 'cause we feel like it's better.
51:32
It's not. So should we just do the, the standard stuff?
51:35
If you have to pick Standard. Standard not sugar free. Yeah.
51:38
I love Diet Coke. If you say I can't have my diet
51:40
Coke, you're gonna get punched.
51:42
I would later remove that from you so I don't get punched.
51:46
And maybe you just are, it's a better time. Ugh.
51:49
Yeah. The sugar free thing is weird
51:50
because you feel better about it but you drink more of it.
51:52
And I know the aspartame
51:53
and all, I know that those things aren't great for us.
51:55
It's really not even that. It's more just feeding the bad
51:59
flo at the bad bacteria that exists in your stomach.
52:01
You cannot have sugar free Diet Coke or anything sugar free
52:05
and still feel like not bloated.
52:07
You will have bloat period loads.
52:11
So this does not have a, a sugar free component to it.
52:14
Um, I just wanted to add, this is just not sweet. So is
52:17
There calories in that? Is
52:18
there like normal calories
52:20
Or, uh, low. Low calories. Low
52:21
cal. Yeah.
52:22
But, but really like you're adjusting your cravings,
52:26
you're adjusting your sugar tolerance
52:28
or intolerance that, that thing
52:30
that like makes you feel a little bit of dopamine.
52:33
Like oh this is a reward. It tastes good like carb craving.
52:36
You adjust that sensor so that if you have something that
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say is the same level of sweetness that you have now,
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you'll think it's gross later.
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You do like go through like a detox process essentially.
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That's okay. You know, you're always choosing your poison.
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There's like a little bit of
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Yeah, life is short. It is yolo.
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You can make it longer. But who wants to be 85?
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I would rather have a really good 65
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than like the last 15.
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My grandpa, I don't know if I ever told you
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that my grandpa lived to 101.
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It was 101, but
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You better clean it up 'cause
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that's gonna be a long stretch between, what was the age?
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65. 65
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And a hundred. Yeah.
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Like that's gonna suck right here. Yeah.
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This, this is the space I'm talking about.
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Grandpa Bob did do really well
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with like riding his bike and exercising.
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He actually got hit by a car on his bike at like 85
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and still rode his bike,
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got his license taken away like in his nineties.
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'cause he kept hitting s**t. But you know, he was a,
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and he was a Marine,
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you know, and you know, he was in the Navy.
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He was like a solid, a solid guy. And my dad's still around.
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He's kicking, he's, you know, in sixties and doing well
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but was a smoker forever.
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So we'll see how that goes. Yeah.
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Um, but yeah, I think, I think uh, having some um,
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remnants of, you know, a nice life.
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Okay. So let me add to that. We're adding vitality.
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Mm-hmm. That's the whole point of me.
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I feel like vitality
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because I'm working with all these old people
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who they live past that age of as you said,
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I just wanna live a good life at 6 65.
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Okay. Well after that, what's your plan? Yeah, lot.
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So that's where I'm kind of targeting is that, that your,
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the future you so that your last one to three decades
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are comfortable and you feel good
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and you can, you can have your bike
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accident 'cause you're riding a bike.
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Mm-hmm. For sure.
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Because other grandpas can't even ride their bike. Yep.
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So That's what I want it to look like.
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Gonna die. I think we should wrap well.
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'cause that was only supposed to be meant
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for like an hour or so. Oh
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Wow. Well, it
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was a great chat
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and we have a lot more to touch on.
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So thank you for being a sport
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and sitting in the chair and thanks for having me.
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More to come. Awesome. Thanks. All right.