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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program, National Flag Day. I've
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Speaker 2: got my flag on the desk. Not so welcome in
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Speaker 2: the Australian Senate. We'll get to that at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Well, if it
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Speaker 2: wasn't clear before.
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Speaker 3: It is now.
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Speaker 2: Beijing intends to intimidate the world macno mistake. Today's parade
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Speaker 2: has little to do with history because it wasn't the
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Speaker 2: Chinese communists who won the Second World War. This is
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Speaker 2: all about the next decade. And have no doubt we're
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Speaker 2: useful idiots like former Victorian premierder and Andrews stand in
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Speaker 2: this fight. We know Labour's track record when it comes
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Speaker 2: to national security, so wide Earth. How they bringing back
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Speaker 2: their so called isis brides to Australia when they're clearly
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Speaker 2: chosen to be Islamist fanatics. Andrew Hasty has got a
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Speaker 2: very clear position on this. You'll join me later. Plus
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Speaker 2: Labour today suffer their first big loss in the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Health Minister drag kicking and screaming to urgently find more
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Speaker 2: aged care home packages. I'll get you that update in
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Speaker 2: a moment, and as I mentioned, astonishing scenes of the
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Speaker 2: set at all because you sent a nambajin price turned
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Speaker 2: up with the Australian flag on her shoulders on National
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Speaker 2: Flag Day. But you won't believe the blatant double standard
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Speaker 2: in the Senate President's ruling.
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Speaker 3: I'll show you that later.
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Speaker 4: Our flag reminds us that where united by our common values,
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Speaker 4: where aspirational, egalitarian and compassionate.
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Speaker 2: I will come back to that, but first I don't
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Speaker 2: imagine that a displaced person's camp in northern Syria is
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Speaker 2: a great place for women and children. But that does
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Speaker 2: not mean that's so called Isis brides and their children,
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Speaker 2: some well on their way to adulthood now should be
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Speaker 2: brought back to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now let's be.
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Speaker 2: Clear what they're so called Isis brides did. Although let's
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Speaker 2: drop the term brides from the outset, because that's just
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Speaker 2: designed to make them appear as naive innocence caught up
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Speaker 2: in the war. When I know, as the PM's Chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff at the time that most of these women
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Speaker 2: left Australia. They are anything but These women knowingly and
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Speaker 2: voluntarily left Australia to go to a war zone. Then
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Speaker 2: controlled by Islamic State.
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Speaker 3: Now they were told not to go.
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Speaker 2: They were officially warned not to go, and that in
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Speaker 2: going they would put themselves in harm's way and out
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Speaker 2: of the.
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Speaker 3: Reach of Australia's protection.
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Speaker 2: But they deliberately chose a murderous death cult over life
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Speaker 2: in this country. Islamic State is the same group that
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Speaker 2: burnt alive in a cage a down Jordanian pilot. Now
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Speaker 2: I've watched the full video of this atrocity, not the
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Speaker 2: sanitized version that was publicly available.
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Speaker 3: But the worst of the worst.
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Speaker 2: Islamic State is also the same group that drowned in
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Speaker 2: cages Iraqi soldiers that they captured, The same group that
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Speaker 2: routinely threw gay people off tall buildings to their death.
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Speaker 2: This is the same group that inspired terror attacks in Australia,
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Speaker 2: most notably the notoriously Siege Cafe siege in twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 3: And far from being innocent dupes.
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Speaker 2: All is laving State women were expected to raise the
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Speaker 2: next generation of fighters to inculcate them in their hate
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Speaker 2: for the West, and many of them were also involved
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Speaker 2: in online recruitment and the radicalization of young teenagers here
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Speaker 2: in the UK and elsewhere. So why bring people to
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Speaker 2: our country who've chosen to be Islamist fanatics, especially at
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Speaker 2: a time of rising community tension ramp and anti semitism
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Speaker 2: and high terror threat. And yes, I know it's already
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Speaker 2: been dum on a couple of previous occasions. The Morrison
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Speaker 2: government repatriated eight isis fighter's children in twenty nineteen, including
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Speaker 2: five children and the grandchildren of the notorious terrorist Colored Charof,
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Speaker 2: with the then Prime Minister Morrison saying that children should
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Speaker 2: not be punished for the crimes.
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Speaker 3: Of their parents.
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Speaker 2: Now I spoke strongly against this at the time. In
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the Albanezy government repatriated four women and
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Speaker 2: thirteen children, with one of the women subsequently charged unsuccessfully
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Speaker 2: with willingly entering a terror war zone. Now I condemned
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Speaker 2: that also. With this latest group to seek repatriation eleven women,
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Speaker 2: twenty children, well this concerns me greatly. This group have
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Speaker 2: now spent a decade or more out of Australia. Now
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Speaker 2: that's a decade more of indoctrination in a murderous, apocalyptic
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Speaker 2: sort of Islam. As soon as his story broke the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government, well, they were quick to deny that Australian
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Speaker 2: officials were involved.
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Speaker 5: On Thursday afternoon, at four forty two pm, I sent
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Speaker 5: a text message directly to the Minister Tony Burke. Hey, Tony,
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Speaker 5: would you be available to chat about this story tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: This email has just been sent to your department. Hope
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Speaker 5: you're well, Ben Fordham. The email was from the two
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Speaker 5: GB Breakfast show to the Department of Home Affairs. He
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Speaker 5: related to our knowledge of approximately thirty four Islamic state
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Speaker 5: brides and children coming to Australia. Tony Burke's spin doctor
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Speaker 5: called me back and completely denied the story. Peter Green
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Speaker 5: said the information was wrong, and when pressed by me,
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Speaker 5: he said there had been no change to the status
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Speaker 5: of the isis brides in Syria.
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Speaker 2: What it does not deny, though, was its readiness to
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Speaker 2: admit them to Australia if an NGO could get them
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Speaker 2: out of Syria. Than to questions today in the House,
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Speaker 2: a Prime Minister ducked and weaved.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister, these are not ordinary citizens. They chose to
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Speaker 6: align with a barbaric death cult that glorified mass murder,
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Speaker 6: sold women and girls into slavery, and cheered the slaughter
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Speaker 6: of innocence. What actions. Has your government taken to guarantee
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Speaker 6: the safety of Australians if these people return those reports
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Speaker 6: are not accurate?
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Speaker 7: Is the Prime Minister aware of any info that suggests
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Speaker 7: isis brides are seeking to return to Australia and is
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Speaker 7: your government making preparations to receive them?
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Speaker 3: The call to the Prime Minister are refer to my
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Speaker 3: previous answer. We'll get into that vanjel Hasti at a moment.
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Speaker 2: But what's the point of having a citizenship test for
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Speaker 2: people who become Australians to try and weed out those
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Speaker 2: who don't understand or don't.
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Speaker 3: Share our values.
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Speaker 2: If we bring back to Australia on a permanent basis,
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Speaker 2: people have proven beyond any possible doubt.
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Speaker 3: That they utterly reject our values.
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Speaker 2: And what's particularly worrying is that we would bring them
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Speaker 2: back from camps that our own officials can't even get
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Speaker 2: into for safety reasons. So who's even vetting these people?
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Speaker 2: What confidence can we have that they've even recanted their
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Speaker 2: previous support for this deaf cult. Today, Colition front bench
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Speaker 2: of former SAS soldier Andrew Hasty spoke, I think for
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Speaker 2: most Australians.
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Speaker 7: When these people put in their lot to go and
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Speaker 7: fight with ISIS or support ISIS. At the height of
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Speaker 7: the caliphate, most Australians would have thought goodbye and good riddance.
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Speaker 2: As Andrew pointed out, we need to be very carefully
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Speaker 2: said about who we bring back to this country because
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Speaker 2: they still may be radicalized. Well, frankly, I'd go further.
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Speaker 2: There should be a law specifically stripping citizenship and removing
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Speaker 2: the right of residents in Australia from anyone who leaves
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Speaker 2: this country to serve with a listed terror group. Our
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Speaker 2: government and a Parliament that won't do this is not
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Speaker 2: serious about protecting our country and upholding our values. Now,
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Speaker 2: come on, Canberra, grow a spine. More evidence too. On
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Speaker 2: National Flag Day, no less of the oby in the
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Speaker 2: government's ambivalence towards our flag. It being National Flag Day,
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Speaker 2: Senator Center Namba jipper Price went into the Parliament, into
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Speaker 2: the Senate with the flag around her shoulders and why not.
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Speaker 4: Our flag reminds us that where united by our common values.
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Speaker 4: We're aspirational, egalitarian and compassionate. We believe in reward for
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Speaker 4: hard work. We treasure individual.
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Speaker 8: Freedom, We respect the rule of law. We want our
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Speaker 8: nation to be defended. We have a sense of duty
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Speaker 8: to those we love, to our families, to our community,
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Speaker 8: and to our nation.
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Speaker 2: A proud Aboriginal Anglo Celtic woman with a flag around
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Speaker 2: her shoulders, which are proud of that, but instead it
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Speaker 2: provoked uproar from the Greens. She said the national flag
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Speaker 2: was a prop even though Green senators typically enter the
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Speaker 2: chamber wearing Palestinian flag earrings and Aboriginal flag garb and more.
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Speaker 9: And I do want to make the point that if
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Speaker 9: it's okay for Senator nampajimper Price to wrap herself in
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Speaker 9: this flag, I would intend to wrap myself in a
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Speaker 9: Palestinian flag and come into the chamber and exercise the
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Speaker 9: same rights that Senator Nampijimpa Price is currently exercises.
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Speaker 3: What an idiot I mean.
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Speaker 2: This all played out during the morning of the Senate,
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Speaker 2: and by two o'clock, just before the start of question time,
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Speaker 2: came this ruling from the Labor President.
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Speaker 10: If I recall correctly, and I will have this checked,
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Speaker 10: a senator has been permitted to wear a garment bearing
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Speaker 10: a replica of the indigenous flag, partly on the basis
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Speaker 10: that the Senate has ordered the display of that flag
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Speaker 10: in the Chamber. It may be that the same principle
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Speaker 10: applies here until the Procedure Committee can discuss the matter.
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Speaker 10: I endorse the direction of the Deputy President earlier today
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Speaker 10: that Senators should not wear any flags as a garment
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Speaker 10: to avoid setting.
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Speaker 2: A precip or she's an idiot too, She should look
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Speaker 2: behind her chair.
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Speaker 3: There is an.
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Speaker 2: Australian flag next to the Aboriginal flag she references in
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Speaker 2: the chamber anyway, But what she's saying there in that
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Speaker 2: ruling is that if it's okay to enter the Senate
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Speaker 2: adorned in the Aboriginal flag, she still won't give license
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Speaker 2: the same license to anyone wearing out national flag. Instead,
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Speaker 2: she referred the question off to the Procedures Committee for
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Speaker 2: a ruling as to whether it's even permissible to wear
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Speaker 2: the Australian No, a kid, you're not. In the meantime,
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Speaker 2: the flags are permitted. Well, hang on, here's a picture
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Speaker 2: of a flag patch on an army uniform. Does that
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Speaker 2: mean now that military uniforms are banned in the Senate?
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Speaker 2: If her warped logic stands, that would certainly be the case,
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Speaker 2: poorole diary. If she'd warn that magnificent dress she wore
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Speaker 2: for a maiden speech in the House, so she wanted
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Speaker 2: to wear that in the Senate or she'd be thrown
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Speaker 2: out as well.
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Speaker 3: But hang on, not so much.
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Speaker 2: The kafir or the Palestinian flag images or Aboriginal flags
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Speaker 2: as earrings.
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Speaker 3: They're all allowed.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, You've got a question where this government's taking our country.
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Speaker 2: On a day when it bans a tire incorporating the
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Speaker 2: Australian flag, when it fails to condemn a former labor
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Speaker 2: premier and Dan Andrews, and that fading a appearance out
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Speaker 2: of communist Chinese military parade in Beijing, their strained flag
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Speaker 2: gets shown the door in our Parliament.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what hope have we got?
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Speaker 2: Our country ashamed of itself? Hardly a country anymore, is it?
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Speaker 2: Late this afternoon in the Senate, Poi and Hanson also
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Speaker 2: had our national flag on proud display, and it kicked
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Speaker 2: off another fight.
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Speaker 11: Of all days, it is our Australian Flag Day. For
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Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty four years, since nineteen oh one,
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Speaker 11: that flag has been flying, and yet on this special
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Speaker 11: day it was actually tonight by the Greens who stood
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Speaker 11: up and said it should not be worn.
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Speaker 10: It is not a prop senateor Hanson. I remind you
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Speaker 10: of the ruling the Deputy President arrived that today which
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Speaker 10: I have uphold, which is no flags to be worn
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Speaker 10: in the Chamber until the matter has been resolved by
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Speaker 10: the PROCEDUREUS Committee. So it asked you to take the
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Speaker 10: flag off. I'm giving you a direction. I'm asking you
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Speaker 10: to remove the flag.
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Speaker 11: The Austrand national flag is the enduring symbol of our nation,
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Speaker 11: representing our history, values and unity. Never a prop and
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Speaker 11: a cause. It calls from the Senate to affirm, to
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Speaker 11: affirm the right of Astrand senators to proudly wear the
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Speaker 11: Australand flag and the Senate Chamber.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's hard not to feel shame after watching all of that.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. I'll come back to it, as
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Speaker 2: I said with Andrew Hasty, I'll right another busy day
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament. Joining in our senior political reporter, Treaty Macintosh.
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Speaker 3: Well welcome, Trudy.
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Speaker 2: We'll get onto the issue of those detainees a foreign criminals,
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Speaker 2: not so much detained anymore. I a fray three hundred
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Speaker 2: or so out in the Australian community.
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Speaker 3: There's an inquiry.
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Speaker 2: Into Labour's deportation deal that's underway.
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Speaker 3: What have we heard so far?
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Speaker 2: Because correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand all
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Speaker 2: the federal ministers have refused to even turn up.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, no minister's appearing at this inquiry. This is Home
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Speaker 12: Affairs officials. But we might be getting a little more
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Speaker 12: honesty as a result. I can bring you this news
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Speaker 12: out of the committee. As a part of this deal
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Speaker 12: signed between the Home Affairs Minister in the Government of
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Speaker 12: nau there actually isn't a specified number of detainees from
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Speaker 12: the NZYQ cohort that have to be taken, so a
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Speaker 12: four hundred and eight million dollar deal, but there isn't
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Speaker 12: actually an agreed number so far that they will take.
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Speaker 12: But the catch here that Home Affairs was quick to
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Speaker 12: point out is that four hundred and eight million dollars
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Speaker 12: will not flow until the first person of the cohort.
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Speaker 13: Arrives on nah Ruin Soil.
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Speaker 12: But I wanted to bring you this quite incredible exchange
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Speaker 12: Micaulia Cash when she got Home Affairs to admit not
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Speaker 12: a single person agreed to in the deal.
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Speaker 10: Have look the memorandum of understanding that was signed last week.
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Speaker 10: YEP doesn't specify the number of individuals.
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Speaker 3: So they could take zero.
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Speaker 14: They could if they determined they would take zero. How
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Speaker 14: does that impact the figure of four hundred and eight
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Speaker 14: million dollars that's been public reported. Do we hand over
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Speaker 14: the money before they make a decision?
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Speaker 3: No, we don't.
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Speaker 2: I presume you're going to keep an eye on this
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Speaker 2: committee hearing for the rest of the night and give
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Speaker 2: us an update tomorrow.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Will Peter, there's it's still underway, so there's still
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Speaker 12: details being revealed here about more about that funding arrangement.
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Speaker 12: That's seventy million dollars each year after they get that
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Speaker 12: opening four hundred and eight million dollars, and they said
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Speaker 12: today this is going to be administered in a joint trust,
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Speaker 12: so Australia and Nauru the trust being run together for
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Speaker 12: this amount of money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and please let's hope we find that whether there's
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Speaker 2: other costs involved. I know last time there was there
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Speaker 2: was additional money for health and education, infrastructure and detainee facilities,
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Speaker 2: et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Don't I don't for.
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Speaker 2: A minute imagine and it's just the money we've been
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Speaker 2: told about. Hey, we've talked about the tactics of the
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Speaker 2: coalition in question time this week a new tack going
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Speaker 2: after a junior minister pushing hard on the issue of
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Speaker 2: aged care home packages. Looks like they've had a bit
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Speaker 2: of a win.
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Speaker 12: And we telegraphed this last night, didn't we That label
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Speaker 12: was facing its first real defeat in Parliament since the election.
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Speaker 12: It basically happened on the floor of the Senate, a
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Speaker 12: really bizarre situation where the Government voted against releasing twenty
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Speaker 12: thousand new at home age care packages immediately.
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Speaker 13: It was a David Pocock motion.
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Speaker 12: They said we don't not support that, and the Senate
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Speaker 12: did so they lost that vote. Only forty minutes later,
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Speaker 12: Health Minister Mark Butler was up in the Blue room saying, well, yes,
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Speaker 12: we will agree to give those twenty thousand places by
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Speaker 12: the end of October, another twenty thousand by the end
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Speaker 12: of this year at home care, and the forty three
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Speaker 12: thousand in the first six months of next year. I
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Speaker 12: want to show you, though this, things can move pretty
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Speaker 12: quickly in the Parliament, caren't they From one minute they
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Speaker 12: vote against it, forty minutes later they're all in favor.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, we didn't seek a division on this,
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Speaker 12: but as indicated, the Government did not vote in support of.
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Speaker 6: Senator part Coxeman.
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Speaker 3: Why are you alway guys in the Senate and then announcing.
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Speaker 15: This now, well, this has been a movable feast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about bearing the news. But you're onto
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Speaker 2: a treaty, hey quick. What's been the reaction in Canberra
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Speaker 2: to that big parade we've seen today in China?
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Speaker 12: We'll probably as expected, the Prime Minister ducking the questions
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Speaker 12: about Daniel Andrews's appearance. They're the opposition lining up to
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Speaker 12: criticize the former premiere for essentially being there for this
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Speaker 12: military parade. Not only that, but that family photo where
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Speaker 12: he is just a meter or so away from the
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Speaker 12: North Korean dictator Kim Jong un, basically an alleged war
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Speaker 12: criminal in Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader as well. I
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Speaker 12: thought the most interesting contribution today from Anastasia Palasche, former
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Speaker 12: Labor Premier, saying that absolutely not should Dan Andrews have
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Speaker 12: been there. Fine to go there for tourism, but she
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Speaker 12: thinks it crossed the line that he went there to
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Speaker 12: watch a military parade.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting all these people saying that he
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Speaker 2: shouldn't have been there, amongst all those dictators. But as
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Speaker 2: a Victorian, I have to say I thought he was
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Speaker 2: perfectly placed amongst all those dictators. I'll come back to
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Speaker 2: all of that with Gregor Sherrid and thank you, Trudy
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Speaker 2: Dan Andrews. Goodness me, I won't miss when I come
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Speaker 2: up to that in the moment. All right, joining me
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Speaker 2: in our panel, Skinne, his host James Morrow, and the
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Speaker 2: host of the wonderful power, our Gab Power.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the fiscal end of things today, a
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Speaker 2: government spending has hit a record high, with federal, state
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Speaker 2: and local government spending reaching twenty eight percent of GDP.
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Speaker 2: That's banana republic sort of territory. It comes as a
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Speaker 2: federal government dead sety months away from crossing into the
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Speaker 2: one trillion dollar mark. I'll tell you what, Gab, when
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Speaker 2: I was a kid, a million dollars was a lot
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Speaker 2: of money, then a billion dollars. And now we've got
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Speaker 2: kids in this country that are going to grow up
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Speaker 2: in with the trillion in their lexicon. This is not sustainable,
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Speaker 2: not at all, and it is so depressing. It is
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Speaker 2: so depressing that we have a government that cannot control
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Speaker 2: its spending and you look at the figures. The government
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Speaker 2: spending is higher now than it was at the peak
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Speaker 2: of the COVID.
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Speaker 13: Nineteen pandemic, and that was the time.
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Speaker 16: Of course, we were told that this is the biggest
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Speaker 16: crisis that we've faced since World War Two, on precedented times,
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Speaker 16: and businesses were closed and people were losing their jobs,
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Speaker 16: so you could possibly justify the levels of spending that
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Speaker 16: we saw there. But it's interesting this research by Australian
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Speaker 16: Industry Group shows that when the pandemic hit, that's when
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Speaker 16: government spending reached just under twenty seven percent of GDP.
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Speaker 16: It then dropped back, but then since then it's been
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Speaker 16: rising and rising and now at twenty eight percent, and
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Speaker 16: business leaders are calling this out for what it is
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Speaker 16: not sustainable, it's not responsible.
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Speaker 13: And as you say, this comes at a time that
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Speaker 13: debt is.
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Speaker 16: Going to hit a trillion dollars in just a couple
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Speaker 16: of months, and you look at the amount of interest
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Speaker 16: that we're paying just at the momentment the government is
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Speaker 16: currently paying at two billion dollars a month in interest costs.
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Speaker 16: It's going to rise to three billion dollars. So there
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Speaker 16: are plenty of concerns about where this is heading. And
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Speaker 16: have plenty of Australians would like to see a balanced budget.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remind people at home, I mean government interest
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Speaker 2: on debt is just like your interest on the mortgage.
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Speaker 2: It's dead money, you know, It's money that you could
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Speaker 2: be spending on other things. And two billion dollars is
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Speaker 2: an absolutely cracking teaching hospital, a big metropolitan hospital every
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Speaker 2: single month that we're wasting paying back a debt predominantly
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Speaker 2: to overseas lenders. Let's go to the issues raised by
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Speaker 2: the building industry. For all the talk about housing, we
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Speaker 2: just don't have enough people James to build the homes.
20:41
Speaker 2: The building sector. They want to shake up of the
20:43
Speaker 2: migration program. They say we need to bring more trades
20:46
Speaker 2: people into the country. Now, Adam Crichton dropped a number
20:49
Speaker 2: last night that shocked me.
20:51
Speaker 3: Have a listen, they.
20:53
Speaker 17: Just don't have the workforce to build these homes.
20:55
Speaker 3: I mean, just just remember that stat from a few
20:56
Speaker 3: weeks ago.
20:57
Speaker 1: I said on the show that only three percent of
20:59
Speaker 1: the life on temporary visus our tradesmen.
21:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I said, I was shocked, three percent only
21:06
Speaker 2: if trade is are coming into the country.
21:09
Speaker 18: Well yeah, And it doesn't surprise me at all though
21:11
Speaker 18: when you look PETA at the overall migrant makeup. You know,
21:15
Speaker 18: huge numbers of people coming in as students, but on
21:18
Speaker 18: all sorts of different kind of degrees, and a lot
21:21
Speaker 18: of those aren't actually at you know, things you would
21:23
Speaker 18: think of as sort of big universities where they're studying
21:26
Speaker 18: high level skills, but rather things that are these trade
21:29
Speaker 18: colleges that are essentially nothing more than visa bills. And
21:32
Speaker 18: at the same time, you've got a skills list which
21:34
Speaker 18: is far too huge and far too broad and not
21:37
Speaker 18: focused enough. So not only do we have the problem
21:40
Speaker 18: of bringing in this very large cohort of migrants, they're
21:43
Speaker 18: not the migrants we need to be doing what we
21:45
Speaker 18: need to do. And it's very cynical because all it
21:49
Speaker 18: does is, you know, economists talk about this thing called
21:52
Speaker 18: capital shallowing. So you're spreading out the GDP over more people,
21:56
Speaker 18: even though you're making it look like it's bigger. That's
21:58
Speaker 18: why you know, the GDP figurecy we're not in a
22:01
Speaker 18: recession that we are really technically crucially, if we had
22:05
Speaker 18: the right people coming in to the right things we
22:08
Speaker 18: need to do this next wave of building that we
22:11
Speaker 18: need as a country, you'd udleash so much wealth. But
22:14
Speaker 18: as you just said to the last topic, so much
22:16
Speaker 18: of this wealth is getting eaten up and tied up
22:19
Speaker 18: by government activity, whether it's the bureaucracy or the EDDIS.
22:25
Speaker 2: Let's go the plans that want to scalp for today.
22:27
Speaker 2: The government was going to send five backbench and pays
22:31
Speaker 2: on an INDIS study tour to Europe. Big backlash to
22:35
Speaker 2: this one. Here's the minister's back down.
22:39
Speaker 15: As I understand that as NDIS Committee members have reflected
22:42
Speaker 15: on the scale of the task that we have as
22:44
Speaker 15: our government and a parliament to secure the long term
22:47
Speaker 15: future of the NDS here in Australia, their time is
22:50
Speaker 15: best spent working on that domestically.
22:56
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what I would have been looking
22:57
Speaker 2: at gag No one's got an INDIS that's out of
23:00
Speaker 2: control or anything like it in Europe. I mean, this
23:03
Speaker 2: was absolutely a junket.
23:05
Speaker 16: Absolutely and certainly was not going to be a good look.
23:09
Speaker 16: I will say, not as bad as the as the
23:11
Speaker 16: images we saw coming out of China today with Victorian
23:14
Speaker 16: Premier Daniel Andrews alongside Vadimir Putin and Kim Jong Unam.
23:18
Speaker 16: Looking forward to your take on that later, Peter, but
23:20
Speaker 16: this junket is just you know, it's absolutely ridiculous when
23:23
Speaker 16: you look at all the problems the NDIS has and
23:26
Speaker 16: the costs, I mean, the costs are out of control.
23:29
Speaker 16: It's currently around fifth costing around fifty billion dollars this
23:33
Speaker 16: financial year. It's going to grow to about one hundred
23:36
Speaker 16: billion dollars within a decade without reform. And this junket
23:40
Speaker 16: to send five MPs for ten days during December to
23:43
Speaker 16: go to the UK to go to Sweden. The flights alone,
23:46
Speaker 16: the business class flights were going to cost around seventy
23:49
Speaker 16: thousand dollars. So finally, after this backlash, it turns out
23:53
Speaker 16: that actually.
23:54
Speaker 13: The work can be done right here in Australia.
23:58
Speaker 2: And they're not even front benches and running the portfolio.
24:01
Speaker 2: They're not working on the policy in the department. They
24:03
Speaker 2: are literally backbenches on a committee. The report gets filed
24:06
Speaker 2: in the bin basically every single time.
24:09
Speaker 3: I just think this is crackers.
24:10
Speaker 2: And to be fair to Daniel Andrews, and I'm you know,
24:13
Speaker 2: not off for sticking up for him. He is a
24:15
Speaker 2: former premier in China. But the current premier, the Victorian premier,
24:19
Speaker 2: just interrellen Well, she wants to go there too. She's
24:21
Speaker 2: about to head off to China on the fourteenth of
24:24
Speaker 2: September for a five day mission.
24:26
Speaker 3: But she's not alone. The Lord Mayor of Melbourne.
24:28
Speaker 2: Nick Reece, he is also overseas to China, but also
24:32
Speaker 2: Japan and Hong Kong, Brazil and India. I mean, the
24:35
Speaker 2: Victorian government's basically belly up bankrupt, The state's belly up bankrupt,
24:41
Speaker 2: and Nick Reese has got his local council in Victoria,
24:44
Speaker 2: the mayoralty is in the red. I mean this is outrageous, James.
24:49
Speaker 18: Well, look it's also outragious. You know, we have all
24:52
Speaker 18: of these here in New South Wales. We have the
24:54
Speaker 18: same thing too. We have these mayoral sister city relationships.
24:57
Speaker 18: They're called where you know mayors and counselors. Often they
25:00
Speaker 18: spend all this money to look at how they do
25:03
Speaker 18: things in you know, Okinawa or Rio de Janeiro, or
25:06
Speaker 18: all sorts of things in Goshi. It sounds like an
25:07
Speaker 18: awful lot of fun. I've never seen any of the
25:09
Speaker 18: sort of reforms that you might learn from any of
25:11
Speaker 18: these places put onto the ground here in Sydney. I
25:14
Speaker 18: suspect it's gonna be the same in Melbourne. But to
25:16
Speaker 18: just sit to Alan Tripp I actually find a lot
25:18
Speaker 18: more troubling Peta because she is bringing a whole swath
25:22
Speaker 18: of MPs with her from seats in Victoria that have
25:28
Speaker 18: heavily Chinese Australian populations in the place, like box Hill,
25:31
Speaker 18: chat So, and they're trying to be quite explicit about this,
25:35
Speaker 18: cementing the relationship between labor Chinese ethnic communities in Victoria
25:41
Speaker 18: and the Chinese government in Beijing. I think this feels
25:46
Speaker 18: like they're running their own foreign policy here for the
25:48
Speaker 18: purposes of ethnic vote stacking. I think it goes exactly
25:52
Speaker 18: against the entire ethos of what multiculturalism should be about
25:56
Speaker 18: in this country. It's back to a state running its
25:59
Speaker 18: own foreign policy, which of course is a ridiculous idea,
26:02
Speaker 18: but there you are. And it's also, i think the
26:04
Speaker 18: sort of thing that makes people very cynical and makes
26:08
Speaker 18: people I think more divided as a community because they
26:11
Speaker 18: started to think, well, if your courting votes for these reasons,
26:14
Speaker 18: you know what does that say?
26:18
Speaker 2: Well, it's a true point, James, because the evidence is
26:20
Speaker 2: in of course with the Andrews government. And as she
26:23
Speaker 2: was agency to Alan, his number two, the Belton Road
26:27
Speaker 2: deal was seeker for so long material was not provided
26:30
Speaker 2: to the Victorian Parliament. It eventually in part was produced
26:34
Speaker 2: and that led the Federal government to have to outlaw
26:37
Speaker 2: the agreement.
26:38
Speaker 3: So you're right to be concerned. I'll leave it there
26:40
Speaker 3: with you both. Thank you. Now.
26:42
Speaker 2: National's MP former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack might have
26:46
Speaker 2: been on to something today when it comes to Daniel
26:48
Speaker 2: Andrews intending that massive military parade in China.
26:52
Speaker 5: Daniel Andrews, I mean, seriously, what was he thinking?
26:56
Speaker 7: Why is it frankly, that can have you? I mean,
26:58
Speaker 7: when you can stay over there if you like that much,
27:00
Speaker 7: he can he can stay there.
27:03
Speaker 2: I like that idea it can stay in China better
27:06
Speaker 2: than my next guest to discuss all of this today,
27:08
Speaker 2: Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Well, Greg, we'll
27:13
Speaker 2: start with why they even had the parade in the
27:15
Speaker 2: first instance. We'll get into its detail in a moment.
27:18
Speaker 2: But ostensibly they were claiming that they won the war
27:21
Speaker 2: against the Japanese. But you and I know this wasn't accurate.
27:24
Speaker 2: It wasn't mal Zadung who was running it anyway at
27:28
Speaker 2: the time, and it certainly was the Americans who should
27:31
Speaker 2: have been a feature of today's parade.
27:33
Speaker 3: Of course they weren't.
27:34
Speaker 2: This wasn't about history and the past. This was all
27:37
Speaker 2: about setting up for the next decade, wasn't it.
27:43
Speaker 17: Peter. It's great to be with you and welcome back.
27:45
Speaker 17: Our nation is better now that you're back. You're absolutely right,
27:51
Speaker 17: you know, the communist view of history is always wildly distorted.
27:55
Speaker 17: So the government in Beijing, the government in China during
27:58
Speaker 17: World War II was a national governor of the kwomen
28:01
Speaker 17: Dang Chang Kai shek. Now, they fought very hard against
28:05
Speaker 17: the Japanese, and they lost huge numbers of troops. The
28:08
Speaker 17: Chinese Communist Party did do some fighting against the Japanese,
28:11
Speaker 17: but it was predominantly interested in fighting the Nationalists for
28:15
Speaker 17: power within China. And it's partly because of the losses
28:20
Speaker 17: that the Nationalists suffered fighting the Japanese that they were
28:23
Speaker 17: able to be beaten by the Communists in the Civil War.
28:27
Speaker 17: Kind of a parallel sort of thing happened in Yugoslavia.
28:30
Speaker 17: You know, the Communists want to kill the non Nazi,
28:34
Speaker 17: non communist alternative and then claim for themselves the raiments
28:39
Speaker 17: of heroism in fighting against the aggressor. So you know,
28:44
Speaker 17: it's fair enough for China to celebrate, you know, its
28:49
Speaker 17: resistance to the Japanese in World War Two. But this
28:52
Speaker 17: was not a Communist party show. This was a gwomen
28:54
Speaker 17: Dung show.
28:57
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for clearing that up, because I think
28:59
Speaker 2: a lot of your media colleagues have forgotten that little
29:01
Speaker 2: bit of fact based history.
29:04
Speaker 3: Greg.
29:04
Speaker 2: I want to show our view as a bit of
29:06
Speaker 2: a lengthy post today from Donald Trump who said, please
29:09
Speaker 2: give my warmest regards to Vladimir Putin and Kim Yong
29:12
Speaker 2: Wan as you conspire against the United States of America. Now,
29:17
Speaker 2: now the pretty tough post. What do you make of that?
29:20
Speaker 2: And what's shoot out for you? From President G's speech?
29:26
Speaker 17: Well, Peter, this is a very disagreeable conclusion for me
29:29
Speaker 17: to reach, but I write about it at length in
29:31
Speaker 17: tomorrow's paper. This was a tremendous victory for g and
29:35
Speaker 17: a tremendous defeat for Trump. Only a genius as crazy
29:40
Speaker 17: as Trump could lose India to China. Now, Narendra Modi
29:44
Speaker 17: didn't stay for the military parade, but he attended the
29:47
Speaker 17: Shanghai Cooperation Organization meeting and pawed it up with Vladimir
29:51
Speaker 17: Putin and Gi Jimping. Why did he do that? Because
29:54
Speaker 17: Trump insanely has imposed a fifty percent punitive tariff on
29:58
Speaker 17: India for trading with Russia, while it imposes no similar
30:02
Speaker 17: penalty on China and has imposed no extra penalty on
30:06
Speaker 17: Putin after Trump had his love end with him in Alaska.
30:10
Speaker 17: So there's a chaos and madness to Trump policy, which
30:13
Speaker 17: Shi Jinping has capitalized on brilliantly. He had a whole
30:19
Speaker 17: swag of leaders from Southeast Asia there, the Prime Minister
30:22
Speaker 17: of Malaysia, the President of Vietnam, the Prime Minister of
30:26
Speaker 17: South Korea. And this is a definitive loss for the West.
30:30
Speaker 17: I mean, we've got a face reality here. We've lost
30:33
Speaker 17: the argument with the global South about the idea that
30:36
Speaker 17: the Russian aggression in Ukraine had to be universally condemned
30:40
Speaker 17: and properly resisted, because China is flouting that all and
30:46
Speaker 17: with Iran and North Korea, it's directly supporting the Russian
30:50
Speaker 17: war effort. And Xijinping can turn out a tremendous retinue
30:56
Speaker 17: of national leaders from all over the Global South, much
30:59
Speaker 17: more than Donald Trump could turn out for his military
31:02
Speaker 17: parade in Washington. I think this is a very bad
31:05
Speaker 17: day for the West, a very good day for communist dictatorship.
31:11
Speaker 2: Chinese official state media made a lot of a large
31:14
Speaker 2: scale government delegation attending these events. Of course, our ambassador
31:20
Speaker 2: found himself thousands of kilometers away and unable to attend
31:24
Speaker 2: quite unquote on the day.
31:26
Speaker 3: But we saw Daniel Andrews there.
31:28
Speaker 2: He had quite a lengthy exchange with President GM, more
31:31
Speaker 2: so than other leaders who were coming.
31:33
Speaker 3: In around him.
31:34
Speaker 2: Now we know, since he's left politics, he's making a
31:37
Speaker 2: lot of money out of China, and he certainly had
31:40
Speaker 2: a pretty dubious history with the Belton Road Initiative.
31:42
Speaker 3: I might add two.
31:43
Speaker 2: When he was premier, he went there for a five
31:46
Speaker 2: or seven day visit and refused to allow the media
31:50
Speaker 2: to cover that visit. But what did you make of
31:52
Speaker 2: his attendance today?
31:55
Speaker 17: Ah, well, look, I think he's a nobody. Really, you know,
32:00
Speaker 17: it's almost not worth worrying about. I mean, this will
32:01
Speaker 17: be very good for his career as a consultant with
32:04
Speaker 17: Chinese companies. You know, when I was a correspondent in China,
32:07
Speaker 17: through some sort of miracle of happenstance, I appeared on
32:11
Speaker 17: the TV for a second with who who Yao Bang
32:14
Speaker 17: the general secretary of the Communist Party at the time,
32:17
Speaker 17: and the service in my hotel went from zero to
32:21
Speaker 17: hero in one second. So this will be very good
32:24
Speaker 17: for Daniel Andrews. But the the.
32:30
Speaker 2: Greg it's got the heir of the prime minister. He's
32:34
Speaker 2: got the ear of the Prime minister. And we know
32:36
Speaker 2: in the election campaign there were stories written about how
32:40
Speaker 2: influentially was on the campaign trial. The claim was that
32:44
Speaker 2: he had prepared and briefed the Prime Minister for his
32:47
Speaker 2: debates with Peter Dutton, so his inlay was in a sanctum.
32:53
Speaker 17: Oh.
32:53
Speaker 19: Absolutely.
32:54
Speaker 17: However, I would say to you, honestly, I think the
32:57
Speaker 17: Alberneza governor has handled this quite okay. It's sensible to
33:00
Speaker 17: send a diplomat there, that's quite right. All of our
33:05
Speaker 17: partners in Southeast Asia have done so, and all of
33:08
Speaker 17: the democratic allies like South Korea and so on. But
33:12
Speaker 17: they haven't even sent the ambassador. So if anything, that's
33:15
Speaker 17: a that's a mild snub to Beijing, a bit more
33:18
Speaker 17: than I would have expected of the Albanese government. It's
33:20
Speaker 17: also fair enough that they don't they don't poke the bear,
33:24
Speaker 17: particularly by I mean this is a parade celebrating a
33:28
Speaker 17: military victory. It's not a parade celebrating the Chinese Communist Party.
33:33
Speaker 17: I mean, I'm very very unhappy about it. I think
33:35
Speaker 17: it's a terrible day.
33:38
Speaker 3: Flitting hairs.
33:41
Speaker 17: Oh No, they're entitled to. They're entitled to celebrate the
33:47
Speaker 17: war against imperial Japan. That's quite okay. I mean, that's true.
33:51
Speaker 17: We were allies of China at that time. But I
33:55
Speaker 17: think it's a horrible thing the way they've done, the
33:57
Speaker 17: gargantuan nature of this military it's quite totalitarian and horrible.
34:03
Speaker 17: It's legitimized a bit because Trump ran his own ridiculous
34:06
Speaker 17: military parade in Washington a little while ago. I think
34:12
Speaker 17: this represents a tremendous failure of Western diplomacy at every level.
34:18
Speaker 17: And the first people we should be, you know that
34:22
Speaker 17: we should be looking at the beam in our own eye.
34:25
Speaker 17: All those Southeast Asian nations being there, and India and
34:28
Speaker 17: South Korea and so on. They wouldn't be there if
34:31
Speaker 17: we had a reliable American president who was running a
34:35
Speaker 17: coherent policy and attending to them, instead of which they've
34:39
Speaker 17: all been hit by punitive tariffs out of the great
34:42
Speaker 17: power of the West, which is meant to be their
34:45
Speaker 17: friend and their security safeguard. So I think it's just
34:49
Speaker 17: a truly horrible day.
34:51
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
34:51
Speaker 17: I think Daniel andrews a terrible influence on the Labor Party,
34:54
Speaker 17: but I'm not going to blame the Chinese for that.
34:56
Speaker 17: I think he's a terrible influence of the Labor Party
34:58
Speaker 17: all of his own, and the Labor Party has also
35:00
Speaker 17: been very effective at courting ethnic Chinese voters, and the
35:06
Speaker 17: Liberals today making remarks about Indian immigration having lost the
35:10
Speaker 17: whole cohort of ethnic Chinese, they're now determined to lose
35:14
Speaker 17: the whole cohort of ethnic Indians. Perhaps they can go
35:17
Speaker 17: one by one through the whole of Australia and lose
35:19
Speaker 17: every single vote in the whole country.
35:23
Speaker 3: We'll leave it there, Greg, thank you.
35:25
Speaker 2: How's the break did Tony Burk's office miss lee the
35:27
Speaker 2: media when it comes to returning those isis, women and
35:30
Speaker 2: children past the blatant double standards? Senator just In a
35:35
Speaker 2: Nambuti Proprice told to remove the Australian flag in the Senate.
35:38
Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty coming up, welcome back. Well, you've heard my views.
35:46
Speaker 2: About Labour's secretive plan to return those isis brides as
35:50
Speaker 2: Isnamus women to Australia in my editorial. But join me
35:53
Speaker 2: now to discuss this shadow home fairs Minister Andrew Hasty, Andrew,
35:58
Speaker 2: thank you for your chime. We'll get into to the
36:00
Speaker 2: risk these women and their children they posed to the
36:04
Speaker 2: Australian community. But Labour's been accused Tony Burke in particular
36:08
Speaker 2: of trying to cover up this story.
36:11
Speaker 5: Haven't listen Tony Burke spin doctor called me back and
36:15
Speaker 5: completely denied the story. Peter Green said the information was wrong,
36:22
Speaker 5: and when pressed by me, he said there had been
36:25
Speaker 5: no change to the status of the Isis brides in Syria.
36:31
Speaker 2: And look, you asked questions at the Prime Minister in
36:34
Speaker 2: the chamber today he shut them down. Your leader had
36:36
Speaker 2: earlier asked questions. He dodged those as well. It's like
36:40
Speaker 2: they don't know what's.
36:41
Speaker 3: Going on now.
36:42
Speaker 2: Either they do know when they're lying to us, or
36:44
Speaker 2: they don't know. And I have to say, Andrew, that
36:46
Speaker 2: is just as concerning.
36:50
Speaker 7: That's right, Peter. The Prime Minister didn't even bother giving
36:53
Speaker 7: a principal position on this and ruling it out, or
36:57
Speaker 7: at least articulating that it's really important that we keep
36:59
Speaker 7: our comunity safe. He just said nothing, and so the
37:02
Speaker 7: question is what does he know. The question is is
37:06
Speaker 7: there a plan under way already and they don't want
37:07
Speaker 7: to talk about it, or are they just hoping this
37:10
Speaker 7: will go away all together. It's very concerning. And again,
37:13
Speaker 7: when these people decided to betray their country go to
37:16
Speaker 7: the Middle East join the Islamic State Caliphate, they betrayed
37:20
Speaker 7: their country and most Australians, I'm confident, would have said
37:24
Speaker 7: goodbye and good riddance.
37:28
Speaker 2: I went through this at the top of the show.
37:30
Speaker 2: You know, I remember the briefings at the time. Obviously
37:32
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott was Prime Minister, and the scale of the
37:36
Speaker 2: involvement of these women. I don't even like the term
37:38
Speaker 2: isis brides because it's somehow, you know, by imputation downgrades
37:43
Speaker 2: their involvement. Many of them were heavily involved Western women
37:47
Speaker 2: around the world fighting for Islamic State. What concerns have
37:51
Speaker 2: you got coming back to Australia at this time. I
37:54
Speaker 2: feel like we're at a bit of a tinderbox moment
37:57
Speaker 2: in the community. They come back, some of their children
38:00
Speaker 2: obviously have never lived in Australia and I have no
38:03
Speaker 2: connection with Australia.
38:05
Speaker 3: What's your concerns?
38:08
Speaker 7: Islamic State was incredibly barbaric. The last deployment I did
38:11
Speaker 7: with the ADF before entering Parliament was to Jordan as
38:15
Speaker 7: part of a task force that was collecting intelligence on
38:18
Speaker 7: Islamic State, and I had to watch a lot of
38:20
Speaker 7: the videos, the execution, the barbarism. So these aren't just
38:23
Speaker 7: Isis bribes, bribes potentially, they're actually accessories to murder and
38:28
Speaker 7: barbarism and a whole range of evil acts. So the
38:32
Speaker 7: question is if they were radicalized and they went there,
38:35
Speaker 7: have they been deradicalized? Do they still pose a threat
38:38
Speaker 7: to the community, Do they still sign up to the
38:40
Speaker 7: evil ideology of Islamic State. These are all legitimate questions
38:43
Speaker 7: that people are entitled to ask, let alone the broader
38:47
Speaker 7: question of where's their allegiance? They portrayed their country, why
38:50
Speaker 7: should we have them back. We've got to have a
38:52
Speaker 7: standard for citizenship and if you betray your country, see
38:55
Speaker 7: you later.
38:57
Speaker 2: What concerns me to Andrew is the government admitted that
39:00
Speaker 2: they haven't got any Australian officials anywhere near these camps,
39:04
Speaker 2: So who was even vetting whether these women are de radicalized.
39:09
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't believe there was a House of
39:11
Speaker 2: Lords report a few years ago to say de radicalization
39:13
Speaker 2: programs have not yet been proven to work.
39:16
Speaker 3: But let's assume they do work.
39:18
Speaker 2: How do we even know if these women are fit
39:20
Speaker 2: to return to Australia or their children.
39:24
Speaker 7: We don't know, and therein lies the risk. And that's
39:27
Speaker 7: why it's really important that we get a clear answer
39:29
Speaker 7: from the Prime Minister and the Home Affairs Minister on
39:31
Speaker 7: these questions. The Australian people have a right to know.
39:34
Speaker 7: We deserve transparency and accountability from the Albanese government.
39:40
Speaker 2: They offered you a briefing, Andrew, have you been offered
39:43
Speaker 2: a briefing from our intelligence agencies?
39:47
Speaker 7: No, everyone's been very tight lipped, but we'll seek a
39:51
Speaker 7: briefing if there's one to be had. My sense will
39:55
Speaker 7: be it won't be this sitting fortnite and we don't
39:58
Speaker 7: meet again for a month. So I suspect they're trying
40:01
Speaker 7: to kick this into the long grass and stop the
40:03
Speaker 7: questions coming.
40:06
Speaker 3: It sort of.
40:07
Speaker 2: Rubs up against those comments from Ed Husick, the Labor
40:09
Speaker 2: m P who's reportedly questioned where the dual Australian Israelis
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Speaker 2: who might be fighting for the IDF for Israeli Defense
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Speaker 2: Force should be classifighters foreign fighters. I mean, these are
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Speaker 2: people fighting for a legitimate state army.
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Speaker 3: If they are, they're.
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Speaker 2: Not fighting for a terror group as these women ostensibly were.
40:29
Speaker 3: Why the double standard?
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Speaker 7: I think it's a terrible form of moral equivalency to
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Speaker 7: somehow connect service with the IDF with joining the ranks
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Speaker 7: of Islamic State or any other terrorist group, including Hamas.
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Speaker 7: There's a very clear difference between the two. And as
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Speaker 7: Penny Wong said today, the foreign fighter legislation doesn't cover
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Speaker 7: people who are dual citizens. And where do you stop
40:55
Speaker 7: if you apply it to the IDF. Do do you
40:56
Speaker 7: start going after Australians who might be serving with the
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Speaker 7: Ukrainians or any other country for that matter.
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Speaker 2: Look, change of pace, but not unrelated. National Flag Day today,
41:08
Speaker 2: your colleague in the Senate, Senator just sent an Ampersip
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Speaker 2: Price came into fire today just because she wore the
41:16
Speaker 2: Australian flag in the Senate. Now this set off the
41:19
Speaker 2: Greens and it led to the Deputy President liberally, I
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Speaker 2: might add, who asked her to remove the flag.
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Speaker 20: Have I listen, Senator, nampagen p price. In order not
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Speaker 20: to set a precedent at this point, could I ask
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Speaker 20: you please to finish your speech without the flag so.
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Speaker 8: Typical you can wear a kippa in here.
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Speaker 4: Perhaps you should remove that article from you whenever you
41:42
Speaker 4: walk through these chambers for the benefit of all Australians
41:45
Speaker 4: in this country.
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Speaker 3: Yes, snark all you like.
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Speaker 8: It's revolting.
41:50
Speaker 4: You don't love this country the way I do, certainly
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Speaker 4: not like most Australians do.
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Speaker 2: So the flag can be in the chamber, it can
41:59
Speaker 2: fly above Parliament House. You can wear all manner of
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Speaker 2: Palestinian earrings and Aboriginal possum skins into the chamber, But
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Speaker 2: on National Flag Day you cannot bring in on your
42:12
Speaker 2: shoulders our one and only Australian flag. You've got mate
42:17
Speaker 2: to have had that flag draped across their coffin. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: what's your response to this nonsense in the Senate?
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I have such low expectations of the Greens and
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Speaker 7: other senators that I'm not surprised. But it just underscores
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Speaker 7: the terrible double standard from the political class in this place.
42:37
Speaker 7: They're happy to have all sorts of other symbols paraded
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Speaker 7: in the Senate Chamber when it comes to our national
42:43
Speaker 7: flag worn by an indigenous Australian just sent an amber
42:48
Speaker 7: gym for price and they deny her that it's ridiculous.
42:52
Speaker 7: And I've got to say her spoke so well. She's
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Speaker 7: a patriot, she doesn't need me to defend her. She's
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Speaker 7: rock solid on this sort of stuff. But again it
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Speaker 7: just underscores the complete double standard in the Senate.
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Speaker 2: I got to go, but I've got to ask you
43:08
Speaker 2: a bit of commentary about whether or not your support
43:11
Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce's net zero bill. I know you've got some
43:15
Speaker 2: real concerns about net zero.
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Speaker 3: Where do you stand?
43:21
Speaker 7: Look, there's a lot of commentary. I've been very clear
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Speaker 7: on the record that I have very grave concerns about
43:27
Speaker 7: the direction of energy policy under the alb and Easy government.
43:30
Speaker 7: I think net zero is going to kill our productivity,
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Speaker 7: our competitiveness, and compromise our security and prosperity. That's why
43:37
Speaker 7: I'm opposed to it. We're going through an energy review
43:40
Speaker 7: at the moment, energy policy Review led by Susan Lee
43:42
Speaker 7: and Dan Tien, our shadow Energy Minister. I want to
43:45
Speaker 7: respect that process and as for what I might do
43:48
Speaker 7: in a hypothetical situation. Look, I'm not going to go
43:50
Speaker 7: into a discussion about that on national TV. As much
43:54
Speaker 7: as I admire and respect you, Peter, I'm going to
43:57
Speaker 7: keep my counsel to myself on this one.
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Speaker 2: Well, I leave it there, Andrew Hasty, thank you, Thank you,
44:05
Speaker 2: right quick break after the brave Chris Bowen scare campaign
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Speaker 2: on those twenty thirty five targets, welcome back to me
44:16
Speaker 2: now my panel to whip.
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Speaker 3: Through some other issues.
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Speaker 2: Seen your fellow at the Mensies Research Center, Nick cator
44:21
Speaker 2: ascardis contributor to Jamie Rogers.
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Speaker 3: Well, welcome to you both.
44:25
Speaker 2: I mentioned the scare campaignick that's coming from Chris Bowen
44:29
Speaker 2: story today in the press. He's going to release a
44:31
Speaker 2: shocking quote unquote climate risk assessment to set us all
44:35
Speaker 2: up and make us all scared, and hopefully he reckons
44:39
Speaker 2: back in these very very very big targets for twenty
44:43
Speaker 2: thirty five that are on their way. You heard my
44:46
Speaker 2: question to Andrew Hasty then about that net zero legislation.
44:51
Speaker 3: Give me your thoughts on all of this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the scare tactic campaign it's been going
44:58
Speaker 1: on since nineteen eighty eight. Really June nineteen eighty eighties,
45:01
Speaker 1: when I've traced it back to they produce this idea
45:04
Speaker 1: that the planet is burning and there's this terrible thing
45:07
Speaker 1: that's about to happen, and therefore we have to act.
45:10
Speaker 1: I think it's not really working now. I think that
45:13
Speaker 1: that rhetoric has shown so often to be exaggerated. But
45:17
Speaker 1: there's a huge logical flaw in this, isn't it. You
45:20
Speaker 1: know we have to do something about climate change. Well,
45:23
Speaker 1: if you make that case fair enough, I'm not sure
45:25
Speaker 1: you have. But do we have to do what the
45:27
Speaker 1: government is doing? Is a thing we have to do
45:29
Speaker 1: about climate change? The ridiculous, expensive, wasteful, unproductive project that
45:36
Speaker 1: this government is up to. Clearly the answer is no.
45:38
Speaker 1: So even if you make the case we've got to
45:40
Speaker 1: do something, we don't have to do what they're doing.
45:42
Speaker 3: Right now, let's talk housing, Jamie.
45:47
Speaker 2: The Housing Minister, Claroniils accused people opposed to the redevelopment
45:50
Speaker 2: of swathes of land in suburban Sydney of having quote
45:54
Speaker 2: toxic double standards. And she's gone after people in areas
45:59
Speaker 2: where you leave where where you sought to represent at
46:01
Speaker 2: the last election. I mean, the government's own targets are
46:05
Speaker 2: not being met. The building sector says we haven't got
46:07
Speaker 2: enough trades people. The government is not doing the work,
46:11
Speaker 2: but somehow it's the fault of people living in the suburbs.
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Speaker 21: Now, it's quite comical, isn't it, Peter. It's been very
46:17
Speaker 21: clear that this one point two million homes target of
46:20
Speaker 21: five years is not going to be met and by
46:23
Speaker 21: blaming people in areas like my electorate that we are Nimbi's,
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Speaker 21: it's simply unacceptable and I can explain why. You know,
46:31
Speaker 21: throughout the campaign, Peter, I was outdoor knocking and speaking
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Speaker 21: to so many residents within my electorate and everyone is
46:37
Speaker 21: very much open to development. We're very much aware that
46:40
Speaker 21: there's a supply issue and if you want to have
46:42
Speaker 21: the next generation able to live where.
46:44
Speaker 13: They grew up, you need to build.
46:46
Speaker 21: But you need to make sure that you're also investing
46:49
Speaker 21: in infrastructure around these developments. I use Crow's Nest as
46:52
Speaker 21: a perfect example, where there's three thousand dwellings is currently
46:56
Speaker 21: being built in quite a small area right now. Thischool's
47:00
Speaker 21: rack capacity in that space and the State Labor government
47:03
Speaker 21: pulled the pin on two new schools in Saint Leonard's
47:05
Speaker 21: and Chatswood, so Where are these new families and their
47:07
Speaker 21: children going to go to school? Came, Moragle High School
47:10
Speaker 21: is full and children are being bused to Mossman High.
47:13
Speaker 21: Can Royal nor Shaw Hospital accommodate all of this new
47:15
Speaker 21: influx of people. Can the roads accommodate the more cars?
47:19
Speaker 21: The answer is no to all of these questions. So yes,
47:22
Speaker 21: everyone is open to development, but you need to be
47:24
Speaker 21: investing and planning properly so that these suburbs aren't being
47:28
Speaker 21: destroyed in the process.
47:31
Speaker 3: Nick.
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Speaker 2: Last week we had a story that people who work
47:35
Speaker 2: from home, surprise, surprise, are depressed and isolated and suffering
47:39
Speaker 2: mental health issues. Now we've got another story today to
47:43
Speaker 2: say they're happy to go back into the office, but
47:47
Speaker 2: they want at least a twenty percent hike in their
47:50
Speaker 2: pay if the boss wants them behind a desk.
47:53
Speaker 1: Again, well, I think that's fair enough if they're negotiating
47:59
Speaker 1: one on one with their boss and their boss can
48:00
Speaker 1: decide whether they're worth it. And sure, there are some
48:03
Speaker 1: people riding particular it specialties or something where there's a
48:07
Speaker 1: high devind they might get away with it, but not
48:09
Speaker 1: as a union ambit claim across the whole economy. That's
48:13
Speaker 1: plainly nonsense. Anyway, you made the point earlier in the program, Peter,
48:18
Speaker 1: that the people we really need right now are tradesmen.
48:20
Speaker 1: So by definition, the people we really need at work
48:24
Speaker 1: are not the people who sit at home on a laptop.
48:29
Speaker 3: Just quickly, Jamie. We talk about crime a lot.
48:32
Speaker 2: We know it's bad in Synny, it's really bad in
48:34
Speaker 2: Melbourne elsewhere as well. Horrific story though yesterday in Melbourne
48:38
Speaker 2: a car jacking and the thief who took the car
48:42
Speaker 2: dropped two little toddlers by the side of the road
48:44
Speaker 2: and took off. Now, if any of those kids had
48:47
Speaker 2: crossed the road, they would have been hit by cars.
48:50
Speaker 3: Fortunately they didn't.
48:52
Speaker 2: But I think we've all had enough, haven't we we.
48:56
Speaker 3: Have, Peter.
48:56
Speaker 21: They're increase in crime that we're seeing in Victoria, and
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Speaker 21: also what we're starting to see in New South Wales
49:02
Speaker 21: with these knives and Jack's laws now come into place
49:05
Speaker 21: where it's given police officers the right to scan people
49:08
Speaker 21: to ensure that they're not carrying knives. Enough's enough. We
49:11
Speaker 21: need to be toughering our laws to ensure that we
49:14
Speaker 21: put reasons in to stop people behaving this way, because,
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Speaker 21: as you said, residents and citizens around Australia have had enough.
49:23
Speaker 3: Well over there, quick break. Kel Richard's coming up. Thank
49:26
Speaker 3: you both.
49:31
Speaker 2: Welcome back, joining me as he does every Wednesday. Word
49:34
Speaker 2: Smith and my good friend Cal Richards. Welcome back, Kel Well,
49:37
Speaker 2: welcome back to me. Actually you've been here the whole time.
49:40
Speaker 2: We've got some good ones this time round. One of
49:43
Speaker 2: our of you was Ryan wants to know. I'm can
49:46
Speaker 2: to know the derivation of the term at large. You know,
49:50
Speaker 2: the suspect remains at large.
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Speaker 19: It looks confusing because it looks like it's a familiar
49:56
Speaker 19: word large, meaning big, but it's not. There are two
50:00
Speaker 19: words large, their homonyms they're exactly similar, but they come
50:03
Speaker 19: from different sources and have different meanings. In this expression,
50:07
Speaker 19: at large came into us from a Latin expression via French,
50:11
Speaker 19: and it means at liberty. The other large, meaning of
50:13
Speaker 19: considerable size, comes from a different Latin word, which meant
50:16
Speaker 19: generous or lavish. And the fact that they ended up
50:19
Speaker 19: being exactly similar in English is just an accident, that's all.
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Speaker 19: So we're only confused because there are two largers in
50:27
Speaker 19: the language.
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Speaker 2: All right, this one I use a fair bit the
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Speaker 2: albatross around your neck and I've assumed that something to
50:34
Speaker 2: do with the fact that I think for sailors and
50:37
Speaker 2: albatross was a poort tent of bad weather or was
50:41
Speaker 2: it a good thing? Judy wants to know where does
50:43
Speaker 2: a phrase come from?
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Speaker 19: Well, it was actually coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge in
50:48
Speaker 19: seventeen ninety eight in his palm The Rhyme of the
50:51
Speaker 19: Ancient Mariner. The mariner brings bad luck on the ship
50:53
Speaker 19: in the way that you were saying, by killing an albatross,
50:57
Speaker 19: So the other sailors on the ship hang it around
50:59
Speaker 19: his neck, the corpse around his neck as a penance.
51:02
Speaker 19: So if there's something from your past halting you today,
51:05
Speaker 19: it's the albatross around your neck.
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Speaker 2: See I'm saying out to my year twelve teacher, I
51:11
Speaker 2: did pay attention at least a little bit.
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Speaker 3: In English lit. Hey, John wants to know Rigmarole.
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Speaker 19: Yes, Rigmarole is a corruption of Ragman's Role, which was
51:20
Speaker 19: an old game of chance, a tightly rolled up scroll
51:23
Speaker 19: with bits of string that you pulled out, and it
51:25
Speaker 19: pulled out a phrase which told you what your character was,
51:28
Speaker 19: like a bit like opening a fortune cookie. So Ragman's
51:31
Speaker 19: Role was a mess of words, So a rigmarole is
51:34
Speaker 19: a whole mess of words.
51:38
Speaker 2: Goodness mabe all right, Well, it's them all for next week.
51:40
Speaker 2: I'll roll them into next week. I just want to
51:42
Speaker 2: send the message out to Andrew Bolt tonight, his beautiful
51:45
Speaker 2: wife Sally of course, all their family, all the best,
51:47
Speaker 2: Andrew for your big up tomorrow. You'll be back fighting
51:50
Speaker 2: fit with us sooner rather than later.
51:52
Speaker 3: And won't the left hate that?
51:53
Speaker 20: All right?
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Speaker 3: Stepping in for Andrew tonight, James Kherson up next,