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MADDIE, 13, Vanishes From Church Parking Lot as MOM'S LIVE-IN BUSTED ON SEX CRIMES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a thirteen year old little
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Speaker 1: girl seemingly vanishes into thin air. Her birthday was February
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Speaker 1: twenty two, and she had said in the past, when
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Speaker 1: I turn thirteen, I want to go away from everybody
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Speaker 1: and go live alone in the woods. And right now
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Speaker 1: I think I know. Why is this little girl still alive?
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Speaker 1: Where is Mattie?
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: and on Serious xem one eleven. Right off the top,
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Speaker 1: there is a very strong chance Maddie could still be alive.
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Speaker 1: Tip line for zero seven two five four seven thousand,
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Speaker 1: Repeat for zero seven two five four seven thousand. Every
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Speaker 1: minute counts with what we are dealing with right now,
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Speaker 1: her mother devastated and in the last hours around ten
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Speaker 1: pm last night, a break in the case, but still
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Speaker 1: no Maddie. First of all, take a listen to Sheriff
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Speaker 1: John Mina, Orange County.
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Speaker 3: This is every parent's worst nightmare. Many of our detectives
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Speaker 3: and deputies who are working the case they also have children,
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Speaker 3: so they're working extra hard to find Madeline. We can't
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Speaker 3: even imagine the pain and anguish that Madeline's family is
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Speaker 3: going through. But I do want to share the community
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Speaker 3: that we have well over one hundred deputies, detectives, intelligence analysts,
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Speaker 3: and specialized personnel who are in best gating this case
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Speaker 3: and searching for Madeline right now and we will not
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Speaker 3: stop until we find her.
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Speaker 1: For one hundred deputies, detectives, intelligence analysts, specialized personnel, that
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Speaker 1: means dog, candlers, drones, you name it in the search
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Speaker 1: for Madeline Soto, where is this girl?
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Speaker 2: None of it makes any sense with me, an all
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Speaker 2: Star panel.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go out to Hannah mackenzie
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Orlando investigative reporter Fox thirty five.
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Speaker 1: Hannah McKenzie, thank you for being with us. Hannah, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the morning that Maddie disappeared.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So Maddie was last seen around eight thirty am
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Speaker 4: on Monday, February twenty six. She was dropped off outside
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Speaker 4: about a block away from her middle school, which was
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Speaker 4: Hunter's Creek Middle School, but she never actually made it
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Speaker 4: into the school.
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Speaker 5: School officials confirm she.
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Speaker 4: Never checked in none of her classes, wasn't there the
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Speaker 4: entire day. Her family thought that she was there, but
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Speaker 4: it wasn't until her mother went to pick her up
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Speaker 4: around four thirty PM that they realized Maddie hadn't been there.
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Speaker 1: You know, before I began screaming at the top of
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Speaker 1: my lungs about why the school didn't call the parents,
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Speaker 1: why nobody knew, how whoever has her, if somebody has her,
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Speaker 1: got what an eight or nine hour jump on us?
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Speaker 1: Explained to me, you're joining us from Orlando. Where exactly
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Speaker 1: did this happen?
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Speaker 4: So this is within the Orange County School District and
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Speaker 4: the Orange County area. I've spoken with a number of
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Speaker 4: Maddie's relatives, including two of her aunts, her grandmother, and
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Speaker 4: her mother, all of whom, like you, are so puzzled
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Speaker 4: and confused as to why there wasn't a call from
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Speaker 4: the school district letting them know that Maddie wasn't there. Apparently,
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Speaker 4: and this is coming from the family, the school district's
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Speaker 4: proto call is to release a robo call around four
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Speaker 4: thirty or five PM, letting parents know that their student
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Speaker 4: wasn't in class that day. But, like you said, that
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Speaker 4: gives an eight nine hour jump on any nefarious activity
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Speaker 4: that could have gone wrong. By then, It's too late.
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Speaker 4: You need to know where your child is immediately.
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Speaker 1: Nothing but a robocall, no text, no email, So unless
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Speaker 1: you're at home basically to get that call, you don't
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Speaker 1: have any idea. Guys, we are talking about a little
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. We are talking about Madeline Soho.
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Speaker 1: Madeline Soto just thirteen. She goes as Maddie. Guys, you
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Speaker 1: were hearing earlier Sheriff John Meana with the Orange County Sheriffs.
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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to the sheriff.
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Speaker 3: Mom's boyfriend dropped Madeline off at about eight thirty am
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Speaker 3: on Monday morning, a few blocks away from the school.
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Speaker 3: At approximately four thirty on Monday afternoon, Madeleine's mom went
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Speaker 3: to the school to pick her up and found out
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Speaker 3: that Madalen was not there and had never reported to school,
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Speaker 3: so she never actually entered the school. And so we
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Speaker 3: also learned that Madeleine left her phone at home that day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I find so many things about what I'm just hearing.
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Speaker 1: To be very curious, you're hearing Sheriff John Minna from
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Speaker 1: the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
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Speaker 2: Number one. When I dropped my.
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Speaker 1: Children at school, I take them to the door as
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Speaker 1: best as I can. I don't drop them several blocks
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Speaker 1: away number one, number two, she left her phone at home.
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Speaker 1: You know, Hannah Mackenzie, does she go to a school
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Speaker 1: where they don't allow phones in school.
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Speaker 4: I don't believe that to be the case, but Jen Soto,
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Speaker 4: Maddie's mother did tell me it was very regular forgot
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Speaker 4: her phone. And keep in mind, this is only a
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Speaker 4: few days after turning thirteen, so really she's still a
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Speaker 4: twelve year old. They're not the most responsible. And yes,
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Speaker 4: I'm sure parents are constantly reminding the kids, don't forget this,
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Speaker 4: keep this, put this in your backpack. But Jen Soto
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Speaker 4: tells me that Maddie would leave her phone behind quite often,
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Speaker 4: so that wasn't abnormal.
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Speaker 2: That may be true.
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Speaker 1: But let me go out to Anna Sonoda, joining US
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Speaker 1: child grooming expert, clinical social worker, author of dut Groom
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Speaker 1: Understanding how a child becomes a target. Just those words
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Speaker 1: right there, how a child becomes a target, are very
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Speaker 1: disturbing on many many levels. But Anna Sonoda, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: just based on every teene or preteing that I know,
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Speaker 1: they go nowhere without a phone. And I find it
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Speaker 1: very coincidental that this day, of all days, she goes
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Speaker 1: to school without a phone.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, That's a really curious detail, Nancy, and I would
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Speaker 6: also be curious about whether or not the boyfriend consistently
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Speaker 6: dropped her off at other locations beside the front door
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Speaker 6: of the school. Is this a common occurrence or is
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Speaker 6: this something out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 1: We are trying to determine exactly what happened in the
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Speaker 1: morning hours when little Maddie Soto gets dropped off at
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Speaker 1: her school.
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Speaker 2: Everyone this occurred in Orlando, Florida.
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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, sunny, warm, So I'm guessing if she were
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Speaker 1: out in the woods, Hanna Mackenzie, she would not be
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Speaker 1: subjected to any kind of weather that would cause hypothermia.
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Speaker 1: But I just haven't had very good experiences in my
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Speaker 1: world of children fending for themselves in the woods.
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Speaker 2: So what were the temps on the twenty six.
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Speaker 4: Right now in Orlando? It has been beautiful weather. It's
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Speaker 4: been kind of cool for us seventies and then at
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Speaker 4: night around sixties. It has been beautiful weather. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: no chance of hypothermia.
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Speaker 2: For sure.
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Speaker 1: At least that's one thing we don't have to worry about.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us. A beautiful little girl,
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Speaker 1: Madeline Soto, missing since fab twenty six. She was dropped
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Speaker 1: off to school by mom's boyfriend. The mom has been
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Speaker 1: in a long term relationship with the boyfriend. He knows
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Speaker 1: the daughter. When mom came to pick her up, she
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Speaker 1: had never come into the school.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know? Listen to Sheriff John Mina.
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Speaker 3: We recalled on Monday evening at approximately eight pm, our
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Speaker 3: patrol deputies went out there met with Madeline's mom at
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Speaker 3: the school near Hunters Creek to take a report on
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Speaker 3: her missing daughter. So we started the investigation that night,
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Speaker 3: started canvassing the area looking for any witnesses or surveillance video.
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Speaker 3: So later that evening, while we were doing investigation, we
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Speaker 3: did obtain an article of Madeline from the house. We
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Speaker 3: called our bloodhound. The bloodhound did an extensive search which
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Speaker 3: unfortunately did not provide any results about her whereabouts.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now. Chris
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Speaker 1: mcdonna former homicide detective with over three hundred death investigations
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Speaker 1: under his belt. He's the founder of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Foundation and he is a star of the interview room
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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Chris mcdonna, thank you for being with us. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me understand something and anybody on the panel. We've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of esteemed guests on with us. But
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Speaker 1: Chris McDonald questioned to you, So she's last seen at
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Speaker 1: eight thirty am in the morning, when the boyfriend of
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Speaker 1: the mom.
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Speaker 2: Mom's boyfriend drops her off.
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Speaker 1: There is actually surveillance video of her out of the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: sitting in a parking lot. I believe Hannah mackenzie wasn't
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Speaker 1: at a nearby church, that is correct.
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Speaker 4: It's grainy video apparently, but it shows Maddie. We don't
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Speaker 4: know if she was alone or with anyone else, but
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Speaker 4: that video shows that she was dropped off in the area.
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Speaker 1: Where is the church in relation to the school. When
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Speaker 1: I grew up, the school, Doctor John H. Hurd Elementary
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Speaker 1: was in the very same parking lot. We shared a
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Speaker 1: parking lot with Liberty United Methodist Church. So if somebody said, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're in the church parking lot, that meant you're in
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Speaker 1: the school parking lot.
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Speaker 2: It was the same thing.
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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to understand where is this church where
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Speaker 1: she's sitting in the parking lot in the morning.
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Speaker 4: It's about a block away. If you're standing on the
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Speaker 4: sidewalk and kind of crane your neck, you would still
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Speaker 4: be able to see the signage.
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Speaker 6: For the school.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's important, guys.
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Speaker 1: Hannah mackenzie joining us Fox thirty five, one block away
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Speaker 1: and the boyfriend said he dropped her off a couple
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Speaker 1: of blocks or a block away from the school. He
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Speaker 1: says he was ashamed of his vehicle. Did you guys
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Speaker 1: see that? Hear that she was ashamed of vehicle? Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: can I tell you something. My twins hate to get
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Speaker 1: dropped off by me and my mini van hate it.
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Speaker 2: Now is that the case?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he says he dropped her off
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Speaker 1: a couple of blocks away. She's seen in the church
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Speaker 1: parking a lot, which Hannah mackenzie's telling me is one
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Speaker 1: block away on surveillance video. We know she got out
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Speaker 1: of his vehicle. That's important. So back to you, Chris McDonough.
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Speaker 1: Here is another conundrum. The police get a call the sheriffs.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff John men in Orange County Sheriff says he gets
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Speaker 1: a call at eight p m.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me?
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Speaker 1: Is a pickup three three point thirty? What happened between
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Speaker 1: three and Eight's five more hours?
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Speaker 2: Help me? Chris mcdona.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, red flags here if the child has that type
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Speaker 7: of gap in between from the moment they were seen
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Speaker 7: on that CCTV potentially and the moment that they should.
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Speaker 8: Have been returned home.
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Speaker 7: That time obviously.
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Speaker 8: Works in favor of the suspect.
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Speaker 7: Whoever that person is at this point, and that's going
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Speaker 7: to be quite difficult to fill in that time until
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Speaker 7: they get somebody into custody.
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Speaker 1: Hey to you, Hannah Mackenzie, Fox thirty five. Why the
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Speaker 1: delay maybe is completely innocent. And let me stress, I
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Speaker 1: do not believe Mattie's mother is involved in her disappearance
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Speaker 1: in any way at all. But that time period that's disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Now if I can't find one of the twins, which
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Speaker 1: let me think, has never happened, Hold on just a moment,
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Speaker 1: just once, when John David snuck off at age three
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Speaker 1: inside a baby superstore. But when they're not where I
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Speaker 1: think that they're supposed to be, I take time to
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Speaker 1: call them to look for them. Maybe mom called her
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Speaker 1: cell phone for thirty minutes.
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Speaker 2: Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Texted?
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Speaker 2: Text it texted?
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Speaker 1: Maybe Mommy didn't know that the phone had been left
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Speaker 1: at home. Maybe Mommy drove the route and checked the
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Speaker 1: route between the school and home and started calling friends.
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Speaker 1: But five hours is a long time to wait to
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Speaker 1: call police. Hand, Mackenzie, do you know what was happening
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Speaker 1: in that five hours?
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Speaker 4: Oh and Nancy, it's funny you mentioned that we are
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Speaker 4: getting kind of conflicting reports. Obviously we've requested the call log,
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Speaker 4: so right now. Jen Soto, Maddie's mom, tells me she
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Speaker 4: went to the school her up around four thirty, realized
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Speaker 4: she wasn't there. She did exactly what you just said, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: She drove a route that was from the school to
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Speaker 4: Maddie's grandmother's business, which was very close, probably within a mile.
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Speaker 2: Wells whose business.
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Speaker 4: Maddie's grandmother, So Jen's mom, Okay, So she drove that
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Speaker 4: route to see if Maddie maybe had walked to her
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Speaker 4: grandmother's business, didn't see her, went back to the school.
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Speaker 4: By the time she got back to the school, it
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Speaker 4: was closed. She emailed Mattie's teachers got confirmation that Maddie
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Speaker 4: didn't make it to school that day. She tells me
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Speaker 4: she called police immediately, and they told her they didn't
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Speaker 4: have deputies, to send her a way and to hold tight.
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Speaker 4: Multiple members of Mattie's family tell me they just began
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Speaker 4: calling nine one one, trying to get an officer out
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Speaker 4: there to take a report, but they felt they were
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Speaker 4: being put on the back burner. It wasn't until around
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Speaker 4: eight o'clock they were finally able to get contacted a
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Speaker 4: deputy to.
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Speaker 6: Make the report.
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Speaker 1: You know what it sounds like to me, Hannah Mackenzie,
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people have it all bass ackwards
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Speaker 1: the mom.
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Speaker 2: The time is reduced.
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Speaker 1: If the mom went at four point thirty and the
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Speaker 1: call was at eight, and I'm just thinking back, I'm projecting, Hannah.
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Speaker 2: I took my son to a school football game.
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Speaker 1: He plays basketball and soccer, but he loves going to
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Speaker 1: the football games. And he was running around. Lucy was
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Speaker 1: with me, and he was running around with his friends.
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Speaker 1: It got time to leave. I couldn't find John David.
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Speaker 1: This is at night, in a completely different part of town,
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Speaker 1: and I life three sixty to ten for his phone,
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Speaker 1: and his phone looked like it was out in a
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Speaker 1: field behind I think in Motel six. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: this is after I'd been calling him for twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: I got in the car and started trying to get
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Speaker 1: to the Motel six.
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Speaker 2: By now an.
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Speaker 1: Hour had passed as it turns out this schools soccer
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Speaker 1: field is about eight or nine blocks away, so he
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Speaker 1: and his friends had walked down there to kick a
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Speaker 1: soccer ball. And yes, not far away was the Motel six.
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Speaker 1: So what I saw was very alarming to me. I
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Speaker 1: didn't understand what was happening, But I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: fault the mom because I did exactly the same thing
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Speaker 1: she did.
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Speaker 2: Chris jump in.
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Speaker 7: Okay. So also another thing to consider to your point
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Speaker 7: just a minute ago, is you know she's dressed for
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Speaker 7: a day activity, i e. Black shorts, a green hoodie
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Speaker 7: and white cross She's not dressed as if she's in
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Speaker 7: long pants, and it's going to stay out into the evening,
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Speaker 7: which you had talked about earlier. So this child is anticipating,
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Speaker 7: you know, some type of activities during the day, which
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Speaker 7: is obviously important to consider from an investigative perspective.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing Chris McDonough from the interview room on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out where you head next
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Speaker 1: in this investigation. We also hear Hannah McKenzie Fox thirty
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Speaker 1: five that bloodhounds were called out where.
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Speaker 4: That's correct, bloodhounds were called out near the school apparently
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Speaker 4: like there's a little hiking area back there. They brought
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Speaker 4: in an article of Maddie's clothing for a scent reference,
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Speaker 4: and bloodhounds were brought in. Unfortunately, they didn't hit on
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Speaker 4: any scent.
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Speaker 2: Trails, even in the church parking lot.
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Speaker 4: I believe so they work handvassing the entire area where
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Speaker 4: Maddie had been seen. I know multiple businesses had surveillance
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Speaker 4: video showing her according to what Sheriff Mina was saying,
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Speaker 4: So they did scour that area and I believe they're
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Speaker 4: still out there today.
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Speaker 2: Multiple businesses catch Maddie on cam.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 4: In addition to the original grainy video from the church,
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Speaker 4: Sheriff Mina mentioned in his press conference that there was
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Speaker 4: other video showing Maddie.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it shows where she leaves when she
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Speaker 1: leaves the church parking lot. Guys on me right now,
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ear doctor Trace sergeant search rescue,
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Speaker 1: recovery expert and spent a great deal. This is how
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Speaker 1: I met her. She's an expert canine handler. She's a
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Speaker 1: star of a podcast, The Seeker's Quest, and you can
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Speaker 1: find her on Facebook at The seekers Quest.
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Speaker 2: Trace thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I know you from your days as an expert dog handler.
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Speaker 1: What does this tell you about the bloodhouse being brought out?
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, it's interesting listening to the timeline here. That
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Speaker 5: is an important factor when we look at all these
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Speaker 5: different resources, specifically for dogs. Dogs have this incredible, amazing
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Speaker 5: ability to detect scent in a lot of different ways. However,
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Speaker 5: it's important for listeners to know that scent to look
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Speaker 5: at it from the perspective of a living organism. It
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Speaker 5: comes to life, it has a life cycle, and then
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Speaker 5: it dives out, and there are many factors that can
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Speaker 5: either accelerate or decelerate that lifespan of scent. Describing the
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Speaker 5: scene of where Maddie was last seen, it was very urban, concrete, asphalt,
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Speaker 5: a lot of vehicles. Even though it wasn't super super hot,
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Speaker 5: it was still sunny type of weather, it wasn't raining,
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Speaker 5: it was dry conditions. All of those factors is going
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Speaker 5: to have a negative effect on scent. And the bottom
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Speaker 5: line is this, no matter how good a dog is,
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Speaker 5: if scent isn't there, they're not going to detect it
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Speaker 5: because there isn't any scent there. If we don't pick
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Speaker 5: up scent in an area, and it's really very fortunate
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Speaker 5: that we have any video surveillance that shows that Maddie
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Speaker 5: was in the area. So that is a big, big
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Speaker 5: plus that we as dog handlers have what we call
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Speaker 5: a starting point and then the dogs can determine the
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Speaker 5: direction of travel. We'll pick up the scent and then
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Speaker 5: follow that person scent to hopefully where they are. In
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Speaker 5: this case, if the dogs are not able to pick
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Speaker 5: it up, you have to say, Okay, did Maddie get
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Speaker 5: into a vehicle with someone? Or I'm going if I
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Speaker 5: was working this, I would put my dog in a
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Speaker 5: situation where if Maddie is in the area and we
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Speaker 5: can't see her with our eyes, I'm going to use
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Speaker 5: my dog for that. Let's say in a wooded area
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Speaker 5: or maybe hidden in a building or something like that
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Speaker 5: where we visually can't see her. Also, if I put
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Speaker 5: the dogs, let's stay in a wooded area, there's a
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Speaker 5: higher likelihood that scent is going to be more contained
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Speaker 5: there because of the vegetation, the grass, the trees, the
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Speaker 5: canopy of the vegetation and tree, all of those factors
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Speaker 5: are going to help scent stay alive even after hours
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Speaker 5: or days later. So just because the dog team doesn't
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Speaker 5: find at that exact location. There are still alternatives to
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Speaker 5: use that resource, but it also raises other questions. Is
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Speaker 5: Maddie not in the area? Has she been picked up?
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Speaker 5: She is, because my thought is that if she's in
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Speaker 5: the area, and let's say she's fallen down and hurt,
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Speaker 5: her stint is absolutely going to be quite strong on
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Speaker 5: what we call a sinpool. So if we're looking here
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Speaker 5: now four or five days later, she's lying there in
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Speaker 5: the woods, her sinpool is going to be extremely strong
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Speaker 5: for the dogs to detect and be able to go
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Speaker 5: to her.
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Speaker 1: This makes me think that she has been taken somewhere
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Speaker 1: in a vehicle. In the last hours, we are learning
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Speaker 1: more about the investigation. Has little thirteen year old Madeline
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Speaker 1: Soto been taken away in a vehicle?
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Speaker 2: Is she still alive? The facts we are learning are
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Speaker 2: very disturbing. Listen to Sheriff Mina.
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Speaker 3: Are Missing Person's detectives responded to take over the investigation,
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Speaker 3: so they did interviews with mom, mom's boyfriend, Mallin's friends
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Speaker 3: from school. We were able to access Madeline's phone and
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Speaker 3: there is information on the phone. They indicated that she
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Speaker 3: told people when she turned thirteen, which was on February
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Speaker 3: twenty second. She actually wanted to go live in the woods,
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Speaker 3: so that was in.
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Speaker 1: Her phone, and I think I know why this little
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Speaker 1: girl wanted to go live in the woods.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 9: Detectives forensically examined Steven Stern's cell phone and discovered disturbing images.
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Speaker 9: Looking into the phone's data, detectives uncovered attempts to delete
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Speaker 9: evidence from the device, as well images and videos on
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Speaker 9: Steven Stern's phone that were criminal and sexual in nature.
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Speaker 9: Detectives were then able to determine that those crimes were
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Speaker 9: committed at the family home and Cassini Cassmi police were
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Speaker 9: notified immediately. Stephen Sterens was brought into the Orange County
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Speaker 9: Central Operations Office to be interviewed, but he invoked his
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Speaker 9: right to an attorney. Sheriff John Mina says, the search
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Speaker 9: for Madeline continues.
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Speaker 1: Straight back out jo Hannah Mackenzie joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: of Fox thirty five in Orlando. Let me understand, detectives
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Speaker 1: not only look at Mattie's phone, they looked at the
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Speaker 1: mom's boyfriend phone, Stephen Stearns. There they discover what they
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Speaker 1: say are disturbing images. They also see where there have
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Speaker 1: been attempts to delete images. The detective state that the
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Speaker 1: images show crimes were committed in the family home, and
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Speaker 1: they are now investigating mom's boyfriend for sexual battery.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell me.
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Speaker 4: Well, disturbing developments for sure, there, Nancy. Not only are
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Speaker 4: they investigating the boyfriend, Sefon Stearns, they have arrested him.
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Speaker 4: He is charged with sexual battery and possession of child
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Speaker 4: sexual abuse material. I spoke with Mattie's family. They were
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Speaker 4: in tears just following this news, telling me it's disturbing
24:23
Speaker 4: that he's been by Mattie's mom's side, Jennifer. He's been
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Speaker 4: by her side throughout this entire process, and they're very
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Speaker 4: shocked to hear the news.
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Speaker 1: Possession of child sex abuse material.
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Speaker 2: He is charged with sex battery.
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Speaker 1: Hannah in the charge against him, who is the alleged victim.
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Speaker 4: They actually haven't named victim. They just have said that
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Speaker 4: he is now prime suspect in the disappearance of Matti.
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Speaker 10: Sodo.
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Speaker 1: Jeri Farantina joining me homicide prosecutor, a high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: at Jarrettfarantino dot com, host of True Crime Boss j
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Speaker 1: I think I know why she wanted to go live
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Speaker 1: in the woods. I mean, if these crimes according to
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Speaker 1: what we are learning, they are telling us we're not
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Speaker 1: fabricating this. That the sex crimes, the sex battery and
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Speaker 1: the child's sex abuse material, the crimes were committed at
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Speaker 1: the family home. Maddie is a child in the family home.
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Speaker 1: Now she's gone, she's been saying she wants to go
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Speaker 1: live in the woods.
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Speaker 2: A red flag my rear end.
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Speaker 1: If your little girl says I want to just go
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Speaker 1: live in the woods, mom, I want to know why
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Speaker 1: do you want to go live in the woods. Why
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Speaker 1: don't you want to stay in the home with me
25:43
Speaker 1: and your dad and your brother. I mean, it's screaming
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Speaker 1: at me Jarrett Farantino that she is the likely victim
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Speaker 1: of child molestation.
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Speaker 11: Clearly, Nancy, she's trying to distance herself from that home,
25:58
Speaker 11: and one can only conclude that it's distancing herself from
26:01
Speaker 11: the individuals in that home. The charge of sexual battery
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Speaker 11: really jumps out, and the fact that the police are
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Speaker 11: saying the location of the crime was in the home.
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Speaker 11: Those are not typically the charges that coincide with possession
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Speaker 11: of child abuse materials. These are actual batteries and affirmative
26:20
Speaker 11: acts that appear to have happened in the home. One
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Speaker 11: can only conclude that Maddie would have been the victim
26:26
Speaker 11: of those.
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Speaker 1: Late last night, this boyfriend was taken into custody. You
26:33
Speaker 1: can see him wearing a white jumpsuit. That's clearly county issue.
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Speaker 1: Hannah mackenzie, what can you tell me, Hannah joining us
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Speaker 1: from Fox thirty five Orlando. What time did this go down?
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Speaker 1: And are the only two charges right now? Child abuse
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Speaker 1: material and sex battery?
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Speaker 4: Those are the only charges that we have been made
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Speaker 4: aware of, at least for this morning. At the latest
26:57
Speaker 4: update that we got around ten forty five, those charges
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Speaker 4: are still sticking. Steffoncerns arrested for child's sexual abuse material,
27:08
Speaker 4: possession of and then sexual battery as well. So I
27:12
Speaker 4: did speak with a law enforcement expert last night, just
27:15
Speaker 4: following the news that he had been arrested in maimed
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Speaker 4: prime suspect in Maddie's disappearance, And he took a look
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Speaker 4: at that purf walk video and saw that he was
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Speaker 4: wearing that suit that you mentioned, the Taievik suit, And
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Speaker 4: so he told me that that indicates that Stephon Stern's
27:32
Speaker 4: clothing would likely have been seized and processed for genetic
27:35
Speaker 4: and trace evidence. He also likely probably had his hands
27:39
Speaker 4: squabbed and scrapings may have been taken from underneath his fingernails.
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Speaker 4: So I guess that is just the process where law
27:45
Speaker 4: enforcement is right now trying to connect Stefahn Sterns with
27:51
Speaker 4: the disappearance of Matti Soto, and better yet, try to
27:54
Speaker 4: find where Mattie Soto.
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Speaker 1: Is right now, Doctor Trey Sargeant, joining US starch rescue
27:59
Speaker 1: and recovery expert, knine expert and law enforcement. You are
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Speaker 1: an expert in predator behavior? Why is he wearing the
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Speaker 1: white suit? I mentioned that Hannah McKenzie elaborated upon.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Nancy, that is standard protocols to collect any evidence
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Speaker 5: which includes clothing, body fluids, hair, saliva, anything and everything.
28:28
Speaker 5: And time is of the essence when we talk about
28:31
Speaker 5: again the timeline or behind the kernel on this unfortunately,
28:35
Speaker 5: and trying to catch up, so to speak, and get
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Speaker 5: evidence before it's destroyed or manipulated in any way. So
28:44
Speaker 5: getting that up front and as close as possible, and
28:47
Speaker 5: really covering all the bases, checking all the boxes, because
28:53
Speaker 5: everything is pointing to him, and no matter you know,
28:57
Speaker 5: as a prosecutor, we may think that this person is
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Speaker 5: the perpetrator, and he's a predator and all of these
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Speaker 5: things that we have to prove it, and in order
29:07
Speaker 5: to prove that, we have to have the evidence.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Jory L.
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Speaker 1: Crasin, a psychologist's former law enforcement now faculty at Saint
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Speaker 1: Leo University at doctor Jory dot com dotr Jory, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. People may say, how could
29:24
Speaker 1: the mom not know that there was a sex predator
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Speaker 1: in her home that she was allowing access to her child?
29:35
Speaker 1: But I see it happen all the times, and I
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Speaker 1: believe the mother. I don't think she had any idea
29:42
Speaker 1: what was going on. I don't from what I can tell.
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Speaker 1: Hannah McKenzie jump in if I'm wrong, Doctor Jeorge, I
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Speaker 1: don't think she had any idea what was happening.
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Speaker 8: I could go with.
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Speaker 12: That also, because you know, I've had patients in child
29:56
Speaker 12: abuse cases.
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Speaker 10: Where the mother didn't know what was going on because
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Speaker 10: of the relationship with the living or the boyfriend being
30:05
Speaker 10: such a convincing type person.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's all.
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Speaker 13: Part of their personality, that's part of that show that
30:10
Speaker 13: they play. You know, that's who they are in that
30:12
Speaker 13: grooming process. It's an art form that's well learned. One
30:18
Speaker 13: of the points.
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Speaker 14: About her making the comment wanting to go live in
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Speaker 14: the woods, you know, I find that really kind of
30:25
Speaker 14: disturbing and interesting. And you know, we work these with timelines,
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Speaker 14: and first thing I would want to find out is when.
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Speaker 13: Does she make that comment and who did she make
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Speaker 13: it to?
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Speaker 8: And I bet you know, you could correlate possibly the
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Speaker 8: start of any kind of sexual activity or abuse with that,
30:43
Speaker 8: because that's that's really an escape phrase, you know, I
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Speaker 8: want to get out of here, I want to just
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Speaker 8: go live in the woods.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard that term before, an escape phrase. Crime
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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Anna Soinoda joining us, you know, and doctor Jory jump
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Speaker 1: in if you have a different idea, as well as
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Speaker 1: to you, Hannah mackenzie. Guys, we're trying to find a
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Speaker 1: little thirteen year old girl. She just turned thirteen. She's
31:21
Speaker 1: really as Anna pointed out earlier, she's still really twelve.
31:25
Speaker 1: She just turned thirteen a couple of days ago, and
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Speaker 1: she kept saying, when I turned thirteen, I'm gonna leave
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Speaker 1: everything behind.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go live alone in the woods.
31:34
Speaker 1: Why what girl says that Hannah Anna Sonoda, joining us,
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Speaker 1: author of Duck Groom, understanding how a child becomes a
31:43
Speaker 1: target very I was thinking, you may not recognize what's
31:48
Speaker 1: going on because your boyfriends or your husband is a predator,
31:53
Speaker 1: But would you recognize signs in your child or if
31:57
Speaker 1: it's a teen a teenage girl in this case, would
32:01
Speaker 1: you think, Oh, she's just slamming her door and locking
32:04
Speaker 1: her door, door, bedroom because she's at teen, she's having
32:07
Speaker 1: mood swings.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. And I want to circle back to
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Speaker 2: this Handa McKenzie.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if they didn't immediately come to the scene
32:15
Speaker 1: because they discounted her as a runaway. Just a thought,
32:19
Speaker 1: But I want to address, as Anna Sonoda, the idea
32:23
Speaker 1: that her behavior was discounted because, oh, she's just attained
32:28
Speaker 1: this is the way they behave with mood swings.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, You've brought up so many interesting points, and
32:33
Speaker 6: I want to first begin by saying that over ninety
32:36
Speaker 6: percent of all sexual crimes occurs by somebody who is
32:40
Speaker 6: known and trusted. Stranger danger is a complete fib and
32:44
Speaker 6: what we need to remember in this case is that
32:46
Speaker 6: the home is the highest risk setting. For any child.
32:50
Speaker 6: So if we already have proof of sexual battery by
32:54
Speaker 6: this individual that occurred in her home in KISSIMMI my alert.
32:59
Speaker 6: Bell's already on. One thing I need your audience to
33:02
Speaker 6: remember is that children who live with a single parent
33:05
Speaker 6: are who is dating, are twenty times more likely to
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Speaker 6: be sexually abused than a child who is living with
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Speaker 6: two biological parents. So Mattie is already high risk for
33:16
Speaker 6: a situation involving child sexual abuse.
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Speaker 2: Can you give me that figure again place, yes, ma'am.
33:22
Speaker 6: So children who are living at home with a single
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Speaker 6: dating parent are twenty times more likely to be sexually
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Speaker 6: abused than a child who's living at home with two
33:32
Speaker 6: biological parents.
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Speaker 12: I would also add to that the lethality in that
33:40
Speaker 12: relationship of a live in is very high. That's a
33:43
Speaker 12: risk factor too of not only sexual assault or battery,
33:47
Speaker 12: but the lethality.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand what's happening. Hannah McKenzie joining us. This
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Speaker 1: idea of her going to quote live in the woods
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Speaker 1: was also on her phone. The police found that how
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Speaker 1: was the mom responding to all of this?
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy? At first the family told me that that
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Speaker 4: was taken out of context. They did say that it
34:10
Speaker 4: was a conversation between Maddie and one of her friends
34:15
Speaker 4: and they had been discussing the state of the world,
34:18
Speaker 4: and they said, if World War three comes, that was
34:21
Speaker 4: their plan to get away. But I do think the
34:25
Speaker 4: reason that they wanted to get out in front of
34:27
Speaker 4: that text message, because that's what grabbed all the headlines
34:30
Speaker 4: right immediately. When you hear that, you think run away,
34:33
Speaker 4: and that's what you brought up, Nancy. I think the
34:35
Speaker 4: family was so fearful that law enforcement and everybody else
34:39
Speaker 4: was just going to cast judgment that this was just
34:42
Speaker 4: a runaway, and they wanted all eyes on Maddie's disappearance
34:46
Speaker 4: because they truly believed she did not run away and
34:49
Speaker 4: she was taken and something to farious has happened.
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious how much time they wasted Jarrett Farantino
34:55
Speaker 1: thinking that Maddie was a runaway. Her mother has stayed
34:59
Speaker 1: in that she has never run away from home before,
35:03
Speaker 1: not once, not Ever.
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Speaker 11: Those are precious moments, as you all know, in the
35:07
Speaker 11: initial stages of the investigation, and although everyone claims they
35:11
Speaker 11: treat a runaway a missing child the same as if
35:15
Speaker 11: they believe someone has been harmed, they don't I mean,
35:19
Speaker 11: this was a very pressing situation. This was not a
35:21
Speaker 11: child who wandered off into the woods, and that sentiment
35:25
Speaker 11: could have thrown off the early stages of the search
35:28
Speaker 11: for Mattie.
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Speaker 1: Here, I'm trying to figure out how much time they
35:31
Speaker 1: actually lost, and we know because the school claims they
35:34
Speaker 1: did a robocall to the parents, we've lost several hours. Question, Hannah, mackenzie,
35:43
Speaker 1: is the boyfriend now behind bars in custody on sex
35:50
Speaker 1: battery and possession of material related to child sex abuse?
35:57
Speaker 1: Is he saying anything at all about where Maddie may be?
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Speaker 4: From this point, we don't know if he's cooperating with
36:07
Speaker 4: the law enforcement. The last update that we got from them,
36:11
Speaker 4: they had mentioned that he had invoked his right to
36:15
Speaker 4: an attorney and was placed under arrest. That to me
36:18
Speaker 4: is a red flag saying he is not speaking until
36:21
Speaker 4: he has someone present legally representing him.
36:24
Speaker 1: I understand that Granny video surveillance, which may be the
36:28
Speaker 1: most important clue we've got yet, and I assume that
36:32
Speaker 1: police are combing through his vehicle with a fine toothed
36:35
Speaker 1: comb right now, But that Grandy's surveillance isn't that around
36:40
Speaker 1: eight point fifty eight five zero am in the morning
36:42
Speaker 1: and doesn't last for about ten minutes. Do you believe
36:46
Speaker 1: that Maddie appears to be sitting in the parking lot
36:50
Speaker 1: as if she's waiting for someone.
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Speaker 4: I'm actually not too sure about the details of that
36:56
Speaker 4: surveillance video taken from the church. Maddie's Jen told me
37:00
Speaker 4: she wasn't even allowed.
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Speaker 2: To see it.
37:02
Speaker 4: She did tell me her sister had seen it, and
37:06
Speaker 4: then it seems like law enforcement took a little bit
37:09
Speaker 4: of a backstep and said, well, it's very grainny. We
37:11
Speaker 4: haven't even been able to prove without a reasonable doubt
37:15
Speaker 4: that it is Maddie. And that is when he mentioned
37:17
Speaker 4: that there was other video taken from the area as well.
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Speaker 1: Based on that granny surveillance video that occurred around eight
37:23
Speaker 1: fifty eight m on the morning of February twenty six,
37:27
Speaker 1: it appears, according to a family friend, that it is
37:33
Speaker 1: Madeline and she appears to be sitting there as if
37:37
Speaker 1: she was told to wait, like she's waiting on someone. Now,
37:41
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can glean how you
37:44
Speaker 1: can determine that from a surveillance video, but that's what
37:48
Speaker 1: was stated by a family friend. Well more, can you
37:52
Speaker 1: tell me about the relationship between the mom and the boyfriend.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, it is interesting that, but sometimes Stefon Stearns
38:02
Speaker 4: is referred.
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Speaker 2: To as boyfriend.
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Speaker 4: Other times he is ex boyfriend. When I spoke with
38:10
Speaker 4: Mattie's mom, Jen, we did that initial interview and it
38:15
Speaker 4: was via zoom the entire time. Stefan Stearns is in
38:20
Speaker 4: the background. He's sitting just behind Jen, and he makes
38:23
Speaker 4: his appearance known. He comes in during the interview, drops
38:27
Speaker 4: a chair quite loudly, and then sits just behind Jen,
38:31
Speaker 4: staring into the camera, popping his knuckles audibly, cracking his
38:36
Speaker 4: hands and fidgeting the entire time she's talking to me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not, certainly not an expert in non.
38:44
Speaker 1: Verbal messages, but Jarrett Farantino, you and I have tried
38:47
Speaker 1: enough cases to know what that means. It's intimidating, it's defensive,
38:53
Speaker 1: it's a power play. Like just I find that really bizarre.
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Speaker 11: It is bizarre, and that's not the way. Whatever his
39:02
Speaker 11: intention was with that behavior, it's certainly not consistent with
39:05
Speaker 11: someone who number one, was the last person to see
39:08
Speaker 11: this child before she went missing, and number two, someone
39:11
Speaker 11: who's concerned and wants to utilize the media to get
39:15
Speaker 11: the message out. It's somebody who at a minimum is
39:17
Speaker 11: trying to be intimidating or is just acting strange, not
39:21
Speaker 11: in keeping with someone who's concerned.
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Speaker 1: And Jared, let's just clear something up. He can have
39:26
Speaker 1: a lawyer tell him, exercise your fith him after speaking
39:30
Speaker 1: to him, say take the fit, don't talk. He doesn't
39:34
Speaker 1: have to talk about his child sex materials climb or
39:38
Speaker 1: his sixth battery climb. But if he wants to find Maddie,
39:42
Speaker 1: he could talk about that and wave his right to
39:46
Speaker 1: remain silent on that issue alone.
39:49
Speaker 11: Could hate He certainly can, And it looks like the
39:52
Speaker 11: police gauge him the opportunity to do just that, and
39:55
Speaker 11: they said he denied them the opportunity to bring closure
40:00
Speaker 11: and find Maddie. That statement has come out, so it
40:03
Speaker 11: appears that they've even given him that narrow road to say,
40:06
Speaker 11: help us find her. Clear up this disappearance. And he's
40:09
Speaker 11: invoked his right to counsel. And you know as well
40:12
Speaker 11: as I do, no one's going to advise that he
40:15
Speaker 11: come in and come Queen Anna Mackenzie.
40:17
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this, but I'm getting the idea
40:21
Speaker 1: that what you're telling me or what this means is
40:25
Speaker 1: that there is surveillance video from other cameras, business or
40:29
Speaker 1: residential that suggests that was not Maddie in the parking lot.
40:33
Speaker 4: Well, it's unclear because initially family had said there was
40:38
Speaker 4: video of Maddie taken from surveillance video from the church
40:43
Speaker 4: near where she was dropped off. The sheriff's office came
40:46
Speaker 4: back after and said, well, it's very grainy and we
40:49
Speaker 4: haven't for sure ruled out that that is her or not,
40:54
Speaker 4: But he did also mention. Sheriff Mina also mentioned in
40:56
Speaker 4: his press conference that there was other video taken from
41:01
Speaker 4: the area, and I think that's just standard protocol when
41:04
Speaker 4: it comes into play. I mean, they're going to go
41:06
Speaker 4: to every business, every camera that they can find in
41:10
Speaker 4: that vicinity.
41:10
Speaker 1: I understand that, But my point is jumping ahead. Does
41:15
Speaker 1: the other video from the area corroborate that she was
41:19
Speaker 1: ever in the boyfriend's vehicle, that he ever dropped her off,
41:24
Speaker 1: or do they just keep going? Is that why the
41:26
Speaker 1: dogs aren't picking up a cent? Because I trust the Bloodhouns.
41:29
Speaker 1: If they're not picking up a cent, then there's something
41:33
Speaker 1: wrong with the story. What is wrong with the story.
41:37
Speaker 2: I don't know.
41:37
Speaker 1: Does that video suggest that was another girl in the
41:41
Speaker 1: parking lot?
41:42
Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I think it only.
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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonn is that you jump in.
41:46
Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am.
41:46
Speaker 7: That's a great point because that would be the pivotal
41:50
Speaker 7: moment that the electronic shift would have occurred in terms
41:53
Speaker 7: of the investigation. If in fact they have the video
41:57
Speaker 7: and they're not seeing, you know, the young lady sitting,
42:02
Speaker 7: then if they see the car agalle buy immediately they're
42:06
Speaker 7: going to start looking for that digital footprint. And that's
42:09
Speaker 7: probably they downloaded it into a program called Celebrate and
42:13
Speaker 7: you can get pictures and everything almost immediately, and.
42:18
Speaker 8: That's probably what turned their.
42:20
Speaker 7: Head towards this guy and said, hey, wait a minute,
42:22
Speaker 7: we got some other.
42:23
Speaker 2: Problems, which reminds me.
42:25
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that Hannah McKenzie was the make
42:28
Speaker 1: and model of his car.
42:29
Speaker 5: Not for sure.
42:30
Speaker 4: I was told by Maddie's aunt that it was an
42:32
Speaker 4: older model Buick. That's what she believed it to be.
42:37
Speaker 1: The reason I'm disappointed is because if it were a
42:40
Speaker 1: more recent version, I would know that there was a
42:44
Speaker 1: nav navigational equipment in the car, so there would be
42:50
Speaker 1: a way for that car to be tracked. That said,
42:53
Speaker 1: if he kept a cell phone with him, which I
42:55
Speaker 1: predict that he did, we would be able to pay
42:58
Speaker 1: in track that cell phone to find out where he
43:01
Speaker 1: had been in that vehicle. The car is being processed
43:04
Speaker 1: to find out if Maddie was harmed in that vehicle.
43:07
Speaker 11: Nanthy, it's Jared absolutely. That's going to be a huge
43:10
Speaker 11: piece his comings and goings. You know, the police have
43:13
Speaker 11: his phone, that's where they found the child abuse materials,
43:16
Speaker 11: so they're going to be able to trace number one
43:19
Speaker 11: if he did in fact drop Maddie off or where
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Speaker 11: in any of the surrounding areas he may have gone
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Speaker 11: with her or taken her, could have left her her
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Speaker 11: body God forbid. But that's really going to be where
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Speaker 11: the investigation is at right now.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of this thirteen year old little girl, Maddie Soto,
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Speaker 1: please call four zero seven two five four seven thousand.
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Speaker 1: We are waiting for the making model of the boyfriend's car.
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Speaker 1: But please think back, were you in the area, Do
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Speaker 1: you know anything? Does your son or daughter know anything
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Speaker 1: that Maddie may have said? Four zero seven two five
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Speaker 1: four seven thousand. We wait as just as unfalls. Goodbye,