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BREAKING: Former Michigan Football Assistant Coach Facing Federal Charges · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes Tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Morning for Thursday, March twenty. First, I'm your host, Tom
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Speaker 1: a live show? Well, news broke earlier today, and this
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Speaker 1: is news that we've had kind of heard about almost
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Speaker 1: immediately after the Connor Stallions scandal broke. This was something
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Speaker 1: that came out not that long after that, and it
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Speaker 1: was one of those things that was just so weird
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Speaker 1: and it was like, is that really right? And then
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Speaker 1: now the news has officially come out of the US
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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. This all surrounds former Michigan co offensive
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Speaker 1: cornerator Matt Weiss. He has now been charged with twenty
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Speaker 1: four counts by the US Attorney's Office the Eastern Michigan
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Speaker 1: District we're going to Tony. I have great news. Tony.
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Speaker 1: Gerdaman joins me. Tony, I have great news. We don't
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Speaker 1: have bylaws. We have a press release, though, so that's
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Speaker 1: pretty good. We have words on the screen. We'll be
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Speaker 1: reading directly from that, because this is I am not
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Speaker 1: a law talking guy, but from the US District Attorney's office.
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Speaker 1: Former University of Michigan co offensive coordinator Matthew Weiss's age
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Speaker 1: forty two event armor, was charged today in a twenty
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Speaker 1: four count indictment alleging fourteen counts of unauthorized access to
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Speaker 1: computers and ten counts of aggravated identity theft. Acting US
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Speaker 1: Attorney Julie A. Beck announced and so then later on.
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Speaker 1: It says, according to the indictment, between approximately twenty fifteen
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Speaker 1: and January twenty twenty three, Weiss gained on unauthorized access
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Speaker 1: to student athlete databases of more than one hundred colleges
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Speaker 1: and universities that were maintained by a third party vendor.
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Speaker 1: After gaining access to those databases, Weiss downloaded the personally
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Speaker 1: identifiable information and medical data of more than one hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand athletes. Using that information that he obtained
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Speaker 1: from the student athlete databases and his own Internet research.
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Speaker 1: Weiss was able to obtain access to the social media, email,
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Speaker 1: and or cloud storage accounts of more than two thousand
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Speaker 1: target athletes. Weiss also illegally obtained access to the social media, email,
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Speaker 1: and or cloud storage accounts of more than one thy
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Speaker 1: three hundred additional students and or alumni from universities across
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Speaker 1: the country. Once Weiss obtained access to these accounts, he
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Speaker 1: downloaded personal, intimate digital photographs and videos that were never
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Speaker 1: intended to be shared beyond the beyond intimate partners. So
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Speaker 1: that's just kind of the first part of this. And
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Speaker 1: I think the most amazing thing to me is this
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Speaker 1: is something that had come out and it was just
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Speaker 1: sort of like you heard sort of through the grapevine
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Speaker 1: that this was kind of the general scope of why
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Speaker 1: he was fired. Because he was fired early twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: This was months and months before anyone had heard anything
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Speaker 1: about the Connor Stallions thing. But it was it's just
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Speaker 1: kind of like this really weird thing, and you sort
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Speaker 1: of heard from people like this is sort of the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood of what it was. And then nothing happened, and
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Speaker 1: nothing happened, and nothing happened, and nothing happened, and here
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Speaker 1: we are twenty four months later, more than that, and
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Speaker 1: now it's like, Okay, it sounded too weird to be true,
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Speaker 1: but apparently know this is what he is accused of doing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And once this all broke and you hear computer
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Speaker 2: crimes and the FBI's at your house and all of
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Speaker 2: those different things, in your mind goes to a bunch
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Speaker 2: of different places, and this was definitely one of them,
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Speaker 2: and then you start to hear more and more as
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Speaker 2: things go on that it was likely. So then when
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Speaker 2: this comes down today, I don't think anybody's surprised. It's
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Speaker 2: not old news by any means, but it's like expected
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Speaker 2: news basically, and to like just wipe it away like, well,
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Speaker 2: this is old news. It's not old news to Matt Weiss.
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Speaker 2: He's going to it right now, and this is legit.
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Speaker 2: It's not old news to the victims and all of
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Speaker 2: that who are finding things out alonga So that's a
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Speaker 2: long time, a long I've been doing this for a
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Speaker 2: long time, many different venues and at many different places.
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Speaker 2: And fortunately they caught him. And really that's that's the
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Speaker 2: most important thing to hear, is it. This is beyond
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Speaker 2: football or anything like that. He's off the streets right
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Speaker 2: now and hopefully, you know, if he's guilty, then he
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Speaker 2: stays off the streets.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so let's I mean, just to get into
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Speaker 1: the like, yeah, this isn't like funny. This is not
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Speaker 1: a like haha thing. If convicted, this is from the
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Speaker 1: same press release. If convicted, Weiss faces a maximum of
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Speaker 1: five years imprisonment on each count of unauthorized access to
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Speaker 1: computers and two years on each count of aggravated identity theft.
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Speaker 1: Conviction on account of aggravated ident identity theft triggers a
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Speaker 1: two year mandatory minimum sentence to be served consecutive to
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Speaker 1: the sentence imposed for the underlying offense. An indictment is
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Speaker 1: only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. It
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Speaker 1: will be the government's burden proved guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 1: and then it goes on to the who's prosecating it,
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Speaker 1: the investigation being conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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Speaker 1: So you know, this is not like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, this is not like, oh look it's Porky's
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Speaker 1: it's funny, like hah. They're spying on the Like it's like,
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Speaker 1: this is like real serious years two decades in prison
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff and very very serious. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think first of all, I would caution everyone in
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Speaker 1: the comments to you know, take it in that way
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Speaker 1: and not you know, take it in you know, is
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Speaker 1: a haha, look at you know, look at this terrible thing.
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Speaker 1: And this is you know, this reflects on everyone in
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Speaker 1: the state of Michigan. Like, let's let's keep it sort
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Speaker 1: of together there now. I think the thing that is
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Speaker 1: the immediate follow up to this that everyone is going
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Speaker 1: to ask is, Okay, so is this how you know
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Speaker 1: that the FBI found this? And then this is how
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Speaker 1: ten months later, nine months later, Aha, this is how
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Speaker 1: they got to Connor Stallion's and you you know, narratively,
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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that would paint a very logical picture,
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Speaker 1: you'd make you Okay, they're digging around and they find way,
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Speaker 1: what's this. I have been consistently told and I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case for you as well,
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Speaker 1: but I have been consistently told that this is that's
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Speaker 1: not exactly how it happened. It's not that the FBI
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Speaker 1: found all this and immediately turned it over and that
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Speaker 1: this is you know, this is the genesis of the
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Speaker 1: whole Connor stallions thing.
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Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, I don't I don't know all of
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Speaker 2: the facts and that either in terms of what did
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Speaker 2: this lead to, the bottom line is these can be
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Speaker 2: related or they can be unrelated, but they're both happening
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Speaker 2: and they're both you know existing. And this because I've
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Speaker 2: seen some the most celebrating from the Michigan side of
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Speaker 2: things saying, eh, the FBI didn't say anything about you know,
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Speaker 2: hacking into practice footage or anything like that, so you
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Speaker 2: know that didn't happen word to clear, And I'm thinking, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, the FBI, if they find a body in
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Speaker 2: the woods and they charge somebody, they're not also going
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Speaker 2: to mention and we're charging this person with trespassing. You know,
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Speaker 2: like these are some serious, like major charges.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 2: The the NCAA level is like they're not even you know,
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Speaker 2: necessarily concerned about anything like that. So like that could
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Speaker 2: all be taking place and be part of this as well.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, this is this is the real This
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Speaker 2: is like if all of the maximums are like I
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Speaker 2: think he's facing like ninety years in prison, or something,
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Speaker 2: so like that is where the focus is going to
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Speaker 2: be because they want him off the streets and and
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Speaker 2: later on maybe you know, like this this is not
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Speaker 2: a it's not a like a al Capone rico thing.
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Speaker 2: This is the only thing we could get him on.
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Speaker 2: You know, like they've one hundred and fifty thousand names
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Speaker 2: that he's downloaded and had access to. Allegedly, it sounds
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Speaker 2: like they've got him pretty dead to rights based on
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Speaker 2: the eight years of activity and the computers that have
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Speaker 2: been gathered, so it sounds like and and the just
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Speaker 2: leaving comments on certain people's and his files basically on
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Speaker 2: preferences and things of that nature. And it's like as
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Speaker 2: meticulous as Matt Weiss apparently allegedly was the FBI and
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Speaker 2: the even like the Michigan PD, the University of Michigan PD,
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Speaker 2: sounds like they were just as meticulous and making sure
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Speaker 2: that they did this right and that this is absolutely
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent legit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like, you know, if you take two
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Speaker 1: years to present a case, like generally, if it's computer stuff,
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Speaker 1: there's generally logs, and if you have stuff on your computer,
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Speaker 1: that makes it pretty hard to say I don't have that.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean like that? That makes that a
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Speaker 1: pretty difficult thing. And yeah, you know, if he's accessing
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Speaker 1: two thousand people's accounts and he has twelve, he's being
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Speaker 1: charged with twelve count of this or that like that,
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Speaker 1: that means there's probably you know, there's probably other stuff
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Speaker 1: that could be charged or could be charged later. That's
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Speaker 1: not an uncommon thing in terms of you know, you
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Speaker 1: don't have to you know, this is not a serial
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Speaker 1: killer thing. But you don't charge a serial killer with
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Speaker 1: every every murder because then you can potentially charge them
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Speaker 1: later if the initial case gets screwed up something like that.
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Speaker 1: So you know, this is not a and this is
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Speaker 1: everything he ever did? You know, he never he never
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Speaker 1: ran a red light once, Like that's not what that is.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I would caution people to not
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Speaker 1: and again on the Ohio state side, I would caution
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Speaker 1: people to not take too much glee in this kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, because these are like real victims who have
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Speaker 1: real you know, who have been suffered like real harm
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Speaker 1: through this. But I would also caution the Michigan people
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Speaker 1: to say, like this is not you know, this is
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Speaker 1: not and you're free and you're totally out of the woods.
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Speaker 1: It's this is what he's being charged with right now.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that there's not others stuff out
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Speaker 1: there sort of lurking. So you know, I also go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna say, like, I don't I don't
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Speaker 2: want to speculate, so I'll just state of fact. Somebody
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Speaker 2: that would do this would have no problem participating in
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Speaker 2: something else that Michigan has been accused of like this,
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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna come up to him and be like, Hey,
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Speaker 2: I've got the sign stealing thing. I've got this system
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Speaker 2: I like you want to you want to be a
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Speaker 2: part of it, or you want to you wanna take
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Speaker 2: a look at it. He's not gonna be like, whoa,
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Speaker 2: I'm sir, how how dare you bring that to me?
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Speaker 2: Like this? This is a guy, a guy like this
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Speaker 2: would have no issues with something like what else Michigan
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Speaker 2: is being accused of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and let's you know, let's again sort of
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Speaker 1: spell this out, adam ass. Is this related to Stallion
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Speaker 1: sign seating or stealing or separate? This is an entirely
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Speaker 1: different thing. This is you know, this is a separate case.
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Speaker 1: Like Stallions is not accused of doing any of this
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Speaker 1: stuff as far as anyone is aware. So and this
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Speaker 1: is not you know, the FBI is not investigating the
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Speaker 1: Sally and stuff, and the NC double A is as
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Speaker 1: far as where we're not doing anything related to this case.
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Speaker 1: This is not something where we had someone on our
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Speaker 1: board ask, you know, is this something that could be
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Speaker 1: you know this you know, ah, you know, further issue,
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Speaker 1: further violation, something like that. This is not a This
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Speaker 1: is not something that would be an n C double
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Speaker 1: A violation. Like the n C double A doesn't enforce
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Speaker 1: traffic laws, the n F n C double A doesn't
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Speaker 1: enforce uh, you know, murder the end. That's that's a
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Speaker 1: whole separate thing. The FBI does not care about whether
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Speaker 1: you are illegally videotaping games for scouting purposes, and the
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Speaker 1: NC double A does not, you know, is not in
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Speaker 1: charge of enforcing this. So these are kind of two
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Speaker 1: separate things. You know, it's not yet go.
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Speaker 2: Ahead, go ahead, And even to say like illegally recording
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Speaker 2: gaves us not you know, improperly, I guess would be
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Speaker 2: the better way to say it. When we're talking like
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Speaker 2: legal and what is wrong for the NCA's eyes and
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Speaker 2: what is wrong for the FBI's eyes. The FBI is like,
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Speaker 2: I don't have time to worry about Connor Stallion's friends
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Speaker 2: that he's buying tickets for all over the country.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah. The FBI has like actual crimes
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Speaker 1: to chase down. So that's kind of the broad strokes here.
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Speaker 1: And again, my understanding from what I have been told
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Speaker 1: is that this is not how this all came, you know,
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Speaker 1: the whole Connor Stallion's investigation came to be. Is that
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Speaker 1: is what I have been very consistently told. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: we had heard about a lot of the specifics around
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Speaker 1: this when not immediately when it first came out, but
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Speaker 1: relatively soon, I mean twenty twenty three, had heard some
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Speaker 1: of these specifics and it was kind of like, really,
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Speaker 1: but you know, here here is the indictment from the
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Speaker 1: US Attorney's office, so you know that that is sort
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Speaker 1: of where this stands. It's probably not accurate to say
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Speaker 1: these are alle hundred percent totally unrelated in any way,
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Speaker 1: for reasons that Tony sort of laid out earlier, Like
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Speaker 1: you know, Weiss may have been involved, we don't know
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Speaker 1: in the Stallion stuff, to you know, to some degree
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Speaker 1: that is provable or not. We'll all find out this.
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Speaker 1: You know, the news today is I think this is
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Speaker 1: the big takeaway. The news today is neither, you know,
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Speaker 1: great news for people who are Michigan fans in that
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Speaker 1: it completely exonerates them from anything involving Weiss and you
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Speaker 1: know accessing practice footage, which apparently is something that people
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Speaker 1: are talking about now out loud. That's interesting. That's uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, it neither completely exonerates them from that. It
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Speaker 1: also does not mean and that means he's also guilty
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Speaker 1: of all this other stuff. And everyone emission that they're
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Speaker 1: they're separate in this kind of in this in this case,
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Speaker 1: they're you know, largely unrelated cases, let's say, at the
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Speaker 1: very least, and we'll be you know, are being pursued
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Speaker 1: by unrelated organizations. So it does not it is not
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Speaker 1: going to immediately you know, trigger a lack of institutional
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Speaker 1: control thing from the NCAA in terms of Michigan or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. That's you know, those are separate cases. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think those are kind of the the
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Speaker 1: major things I wanted to, you know, make sure we
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Speaker 1: sort of cleared up because again, with so much of
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Speaker 1: this stuff, every time we have these conversations, I have
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Speaker 1: to think back and like go back through like what
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Speaker 1: have we talked about on the air, And like when
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Speaker 1: people are asking us, well, what about this, it's like,
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Speaker 1: all right, where did that come from? Because there's been
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Speaker 1: some real misinformation put out there and not you know,
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Speaker 1: and so we're we're trying to steer clear of that
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Speaker 1: as well. Uncle Rico says, in no way can this
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Speaker 1: be spun as a good thing, but they're trying. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of been a consistent thread
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Speaker 1: from some folks where everything is good news, everything is
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Speaker 1: good news, where everything is bad news. And it's like
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Speaker 1: that's probably as with a lot in life, Tony, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you can you can choose your realm of the U
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Speaker 1: the current world that we live in. Not everything is
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Speaker 1: bad news, not everything is good news. The truth generally
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Speaker 1: will lie somewhere in the middle.
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Speaker 2: There the spinning is I kind of mentioned it earlier,
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Speaker 2: where you know, hey, the FBI didn't say anything about
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Speaker 2: Ohio State or you know, the end or kind of stallion,
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Speaker 2: so it's all clear. And and then I'm also also
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Speaker 2: thinking today of you know, what's the what are the
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Speaker 2: depositions look like, like, how how deep do they get
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Speaker 2: into that and is it all just I assume like
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Speaker 2: they probably don't even need to get into the NCAA
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Speaker 2: aspect of things with with with all of that, So
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much you would even contribute to
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Speaker 2: that in terms of like finding out more on record
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Speaker 2: about what what was known, what wasn't known, and if
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Speaker 2: they're actually you know, what was going on. I do, though, Tom,
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Speaker 2: I found myself today thinking about Matt Weiss's, you know,
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Speaker 2: former co workers who had to be shocked and appalled
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Speaker 2: and dismade it finding out that a coworker was improperly
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Speaker 2: accessing databases and files that they had no business messing with.
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Speaker 2: And so my thoughts go out to those people who
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Speaker 2: were betrayed, and you know, a terrible thing for them
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Speaker 2: to find out that somebody could be so untrustworthy is
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Speaker 2: to to do something like that.
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Speaker 1: Let's move let's move before I get in trouble. Let's
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Speaker 1: move on to Mike Farino. Obviously not he's super chat
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Speaker 1: obviously I confirmed to this, but if he had access
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Speaker 1: to student university accounts, which it seems like he did,
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Speaker 1: it would be ridiculous as simple to then gain access
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Speaker 1: to practice footage. That's you know, I think that that's
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Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, it's not that
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Speaker 1: difficult to draw a line between if he you know,
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Speaker 1: if if you have the know how to do what
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Speaker 1: he's accused of doing. Here and again, as the release says,
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Speaker 1: he does not mean he's guilty, just means that he's
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Speaker 1: been charged with these crimes. If you have the not
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Speaker 1: know how to do that, then you would, you know,
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Speaker 1: seemingly have the know how to hack into other systems,
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Speaker 1: gain access in an unauthorized way into other systems to
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Speaker 1: find you know, to get other information or you know,
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Speaker 1: images or video or whatever like that. That's not you know,
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Speaker 1: this does not mean that he did that. But it also,
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Speaker 1: as you said, is you know certainly like well, he
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Speaker 1: has some he has some familiarity with this particular space,
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Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be completely crazy to to draw that
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Speaker 1: parallel and Mozart's Ghost, just to just to sort of
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Speaker 1: reiterate he made you know, for those who may be
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Speaker 1: joining late, like what the specifics of what we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Mozart's Ghost, say, does anyone know what kind of
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Speaker 1: files or media he was getting access to? I guess
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Speaker 1: I just don't understand what he was gaining from all this.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to pull up the the press release
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Speaker 1: again from the US District Attorney's office, and it says
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Speaker 1: Wise downloaded the personally identify viable information and medical data
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Speaker 1: of more than one hundred and fifty thousand athletes. Using
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Speaker 1: that information that he obtained from the student athlete databases
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Speaker 1: and his own Internet research, Wise was able to obtain
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Speaker 1: access to the social media, email, and or cloud storage
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Speaker 1: accounts of more than two thousands target athletes. Wise also
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Speaker 1: illegally obtained access to the social media, email, and or
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Speaker 1: cloud storage accounts of more than one thousand, three hundred
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Speaker 1: additional students and were alumni from universities across the country.
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Speaker 1: Here it is once Wise obtained access to these accounts,
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Speaker 1: he downloaded personal intimate digital photographs and videos that were
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Speaker 1: never intended to be shared beyond intimate partners. So you know,
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Speaker 1: we can, you can probably you can probably you know,
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Speaker 1: get fund, you know, find your way from from there
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Speaker 1: to what exactly he was looking at.
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Speaker 2: And de trait free press detail some of what's in
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Speaker 2: the the indictment and said Wise primarily targeted female college athletes.
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Speaker 2: He researched and targeted these women based on their school affiliation,
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Speaker 2: athletic history, and characteristics. His goal was to obtain private
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Speaker 2: photographs and videos never intended to be shared beyond intimate partners.
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Speaker 2: So you can you know you know what that is?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, so you know again like this is this
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Speaker 1: is the stuff that when this first kind of was rumored,
19:26
Speaker 1: it was like really that But apparently yes, that is
19:31
Speaker 1: that is what he is what he's accused of doing,
19:34
Speaker 1: and I want to there was There's been some disagreement
19:38
Speaker 1: in the comments about where Weiss was and when he
19:43
Speaker 1: was there. The indictment talks about him doing this from
19:46
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to twenty twenty three. He only went to
19:48
Speaker 1: Michigan in twenty twenty one. He was the co offensive
19:51
Speaker 1: coordinator there twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. So
19:55
Speaker 1: this is you know, some of this predates his time
19:57
Speaker 1: at Michigan, but does incl his time at Michigan. So
20:01
Speaker 1: he was only at Michigan for two seasons twenty twenty
20:03
Speaker 1: one and twenty twenty two, and then was he worked
20:07
Speaker 1: for John Harbaugh and then worked for Jim Harbaugh, and
20:10
Speaker 1: then he was accused of failing to cooperate with the
20:15
Speaker 1: university's investigation into this into these allegations in twenty twenty three,
20:22
Speaker 1: and at that point he was terminated from his job
20:24
Speaker 1: at Michigan. So that's the timeline there. So that's you know,
20:31
Speaker 1: sort of the broad strokes there. You know, Robert says,
20:36
Speaker 1: I hate that some people are actually celebrating that it
20:38
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Stallions. As a fan, those
20:40
Speaker 1: would not be my thoughts upon hearing this news. And
20:43
Speaker 1: you know, as we said earlier, this is not something
20:46
Speaker 1: to celebrate, whether you're a Michigan fan or an Ohio
20:49
Speaker 1: State fan, or a Michigan State fan or anything else
20:52
Speaker 1: like this is this is other than the fact that
20:55
Speaker 1: you know, if he did the things he's accused of doing,
20:57
Speaker 1: it's good that he's not able to do them anymore,
21:00
Speaker 1: and that there's not anything to celebrate here to like,
21:02
Speaker 1: this is pretty gross invasion of privacy if it all
21:06
Speaker 1: happened the way it happened, and you know, so that's
21:09
Speaker 1: that's not something to be celebrated. And also, this is
21:12
Speaker 1: not a firm, you know, this is not a firm
21:15
Speaker 1: like the I read the whole I read their whole
21:18
Speaker 1: release like three times. I did not see, uh, and
21:20
Speaker 1: this is you know, and nothing bad is going to
21:23
Speaker 1: happen at the University of Michigan and the Connors Stallion's
21:25
Speaker 1: thing that was not in the report, so you know,
21:27
Speaker 1: these are kind of unrelated. Just for the for the
21:31
Speaker 1: supertat from like free and know. Just to further clarify
21:33
Speaker 1: his point, if anyone had access to a single OSU
21:35
Speaker 1: player or staff's email, they likely would have single sign
21:38
Speaker 1: on access to the practice footage or be able to
21:40
Speaker 1: reset passwords for footage. Doesn't mean it happened though, I mean,
21:43
Speaker 1: and that's that's one of those things where you know,
21:45
Speaker 1: if you were able to gain access to email accounts
21:50
Speaker 1: and social media accounts and all that kind of stuff,
21:52
Speaker 1: which the the indictment uh spells out that he was
21:56
Speaker 1: able to do. Then to Mike's point, yes, then then
21:59
Speaker 1: you would have you would potentially be able to have
22:01
Speaker 1: access to that in other areas with other student athletes.
22:06
Speaker 1: And it does not specifically say that this was you know,
22:10
Speaker 1: it doesn't spell out which schools were involved here. It
22:14
Speaker 1: just it just says that it was more than what
22:17
Speaker 1: the athlete database is of more than one hundred colleges
22:19
Speaker 1: and universities that were maintained by a third party vendor.
22:22
Speaker 1: It does not say what that third party vendor was
22:25
Speaker 1: in the in the indictment or the announcement of the indictment.
22:30
Speaker 1: But you know, to Mike's point, yes, if you were
22:34
Speaker 1: able to access that, then you would pretend, you know,
22:36
Speaker 1: you would not just be limited to email accounts and
22:39
Speaker 1: social media accounts.
22:41
Speaker 2: I think, and I'm not speculating, I just think in
22:48
Speaker 2: if you are able to gain access to all kinds
22:50
Speaker 2: of social media accounts, and this is the kind of
22:54
Speaker 2: person that you are, do you stop at the football
22:58
Speaker 2: side of things, like does that It's like, now you
23:01
Speaker 2: know I have this power, I can use it for evil?
23:04
Speaker 2: Do how much evil you know?
23:06
Speaker 1: Like?
23:07
Speaker 2: Or where do you not use it? And do you
23:10
Speaker 2: draw a line somewhere? And it's like, I don't know
23:13
Speaker 2: that there'd be a line drawn other than the fact
23:15
Speaker 2: of the mental side of doing this is so far
23:20
Speaker 2: beyond sports, so like it maybe never touches that realm
23:25
Speaker 2: because this has nothing to do with sports. This is
23:28
Speaker 2: something else entirely. This is basically your secret life. And
23:35
Speaker 2: so you know, a lot of people will want to
23:37
Speaker 2: keep their secret life away from their real life. If
23:40
Speaker 2: you're going to do that, though, don't do it on
23:42
Speaker 2: your work computers. I would just I mean, that's just
23:48
Speaker 2: really really just terrible practice. And a guy that, as
23:57
Speaker 2: we said earlier, glad he's off the streets if he's guilty.
24:01
Speaker 2: I mean, and I sure sounds like he is. And
24:04
Speaker 2: you know, if it's only you know, hopefully it doesn't
24:08
Speaker 2: happen again, I'll just leave it at that.
24:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And and you know, I think this is
24:13
Speaker 1: humus hero says man Michigan is really going to get
24:15
Speaker 1: the hammer. I wasn't sure before this bombshell. This I
24:18
Speaker 1: don't think is going to have a direct impact on
24:21
Speaker 1: the n C double A case like this is this
24:24
Speaker 1: is not going to I don't think this is going
24:26
Speaker 1: to result in a new notice of allegations from the
24:28
Speaker 1: NC double A because these are not n C double
24:30
Speaker 1: A violations. They're they're criminal violations, not n C double
24:34
Speaker 1: A violations. So I don't think this materially impacts the
24:37
Speaker 1: notice of allegations. You know, there's stuff where they're you know,
24:43
Speaker 1: you're you could you know, one thing could lead to another,
24:47
Speaker 1: or the one investigation could lead, you know, lead to
24:50
Speaker 1: findings that help the other or something like that, But
24:53
Speaker 1: it's not, you know this what he's accused of here.
24:57
Speaker 1: These are all very serious charges. These are not in
25:00
Speaker 1: C double A charges. So I don't think this materially
25:03
Speaker 1: changes Michigan's situation visa VI the n C double A.
25:06
Speaker 1: But it's it's not, you know this is this is
25:10
Speaker 1: not part of that. This is kind of a standalone
25:12
Speaker 1: thing where, you know, also bad, a very different level
25:17
Speaker 1: of bad. You know this is this is a far
25:19
Speaker 1: more serious matter than, uh than what we're talking about
25:23
Speaker 1: with the counter stallion stuff. So I just want to
25:25
Speaker 1: sort of make sure we've kind of drawn those those
25:28
Speaker 1: lines around that.
25:30
Speaker 2: The hammer here is going is headed for weis not Michigan.
25:34
Speaker 1: Correct. Yes, yeah, that's that's a that's a good way
25:37
Speaker 1: to draw that distinction. Wing Man Ted says, this feels
25:41
Speaker 1: like this will fit play out similar to like a
25:43
Speaker 1: Larry Nasser situation, bad for the university, not necessarily for
25:46
Speaker 1: the program. I doubt they would tie it to cheeseburgers
25:48
Speaker 1: and steinseiling. They're not going to They're not going to
25:51
Speaker 1: tie it to the other n C DOUBLEA investigations. And
25:54
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I think from all accounts
25:57
Speaker 1: Michigan has treated this seriously and brought it forward at
26:02
Speaker 1: the time that they were made aware of it. So
26:04
Speaker 1: you know, again, well we don't know a lot of
26:07
Speaker 1: the specifics. We had heard some sort of broad strokes
26:09
Speaker 1: on this when it first sort of happened, and then
26:13
Speaker 1: you've sort of been waiting for this news and waiting
26:16
Speaker 1: for this news and waiting for this news, and it's
26:17
Speaker 1: been two years and then now it's come down. But
26:21
Speaker 1: you know, from what I understand of the situation, this
26:25
Speaker 1: is not something where Michigan as an institution was covering
26:28
Speaker 1: this up for a long time or anything like that.
26:31
Speaker 1: That that's my understanding of this. Let's let's do it
26:36
Speaker 1: corner for a minute, right here. Mozart's ghost says, always
26:39
Speaker 1: use different passwords and even better, random generate them. Yes,
26:41
Speaker 1: a password, as if anyone who works in a corporate
26:44
Speaker 1: setting has had to do it training or any of
26:48
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yes, use your password managers, and
26:52
Speaker 1: you know, use your your suggest a strong password from Google.
26:54
Speaker 1: Don't just use password one, two three like Tony uses
26:57
Speaker 1: on his luggage.
26:58
Speaker 2: But here's my thing, Tom, those random generated passwords are
27:04
Speaker 2: too damn hard to remember.
27:09
Speaker 1: That's what the password managers for Tony. That's what the
27:11
Speaker 1: passwords manager is for the host on my computer. Okay,
27:16
Speaker 1: so we're gonna just kind of circle back real quick,
27:20
Speaker 1: just for folks who maybe are joining a little bit late,
27:23
Speaker 1: missed the beginning, just catching up will rewatch cliff notes.
27:26
Speaker 1: We'll just give you the the general basics again. This
27:29
Speaker 1: is the This is the official press release from the
27:32
Speaker 1: US District Attorney's Office or the US Attorney's Office in
27:35
Speaker 1: the Eastern District of Michigan. Former University of Michigan co
27:40
Speaker 1: offensive cooridnator Matthew Wiss eight forty two e vent Arbor
27:42
Speaker 1: was charged today in a twenty four count indictment alleging
27:44
Speaker 1: fourteen counts of unauthorized access to computers and ten counts
27:47
Speaker 1: of aggravated identity theft. According to the indictment, between approximately
27:52
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen and January twenty twenty three, and I'm just
27:55
Speaker 1: going to interject again here, twenty twenty one to twenty
27:58
Speaker 1: twenty three is when he was at Michigan. This was
28:00
Speaker 1: not entirely during his time at Michigan, but encapsulates his
28:04
Speaker 1: entire time at Michigan, if that makes sense. Back to
28:07
Speaker 1: the release, Weiss gained unauthorized access to student athlete databases
28:10
Speaker 1: of more than one hundred colleges and universities that were
28:12
Speaker 1: maintained by a third party vendor. After gaining access to
28:15
Speaker 1: these databases, Weiss downloaded the personal identifiable information and medical
28:19
Speaker 1: data of more than one hundred and fifty thousand athletes.
28:22
Speaker 1: Using the information that he obtained from the student athlete
28:24
Speaker 1: databases and his own Internet research, Weiss was able to
28:27
Speaker 1: obtain access to the social media, email, and or cloud
28:29
Speaker 1: storage accounts of more than two thousand target athletes. Weiss
28:34
Speaker 1: also illegally obtained access to the social media, email, and
28:37
Speaker 1: or cloud storageccounts of more than one thousand, three hundred
28:39
Speaker 1: additional students and or alumni from universities across the country.
28:43
Speaker 1: Once Weiss obtained access to these accounts, he downloaded personal
28:47
Speaker 1: intimate digital photographs and videos that were never intended to
28:50
Speaker 1: be shared beyond intimate partners. So we'll you know, those
28:55
Speaker 1: for those watching with kids. We'll leave it there and
28:57
Speaker 1: you can you can, you know, fill a the fill
29:00
Speaker 1: in the blanks yourselves. But that's sort of where you
29:02
Speaker 1: know where this is, you know where what this case is,
29:07
Speaker 1: and this is again just to sort of reiterate, this
29:10
Speaker 1: is not something that's going to materially change the NCAA's
29:14
Speaker 1: case from all indications, because there's not nc double A violations.
29:18
Speaker 1: This is not something that is going to you know completely,
29:22
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is stuff that I you know,
29:24
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are hearing about this
29:26
Speaker 1: for the first time. Now. There are a lot of
29:27
Speaker 1: people who also are not hearing about this for the
29:29
Speaker 1: first time now that this has sort of been like
29:32
Speaker 1: one of those things that we have not talked about
29:34
Speaker 1: because it hasn't been out there, but this has been
29:36
Speaker 1: like long discussed as like here's the broad strokes of
29:39
Speaker 1: what was going on with that case, and that it
29:41
Speaker 1: was not you know, he was not fired because he
29:43
Speaker 1: was accessing you know, anything related to e Connor stallions.
29:49
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah.
29:50
Speaker 2: It's also one of those things where you don't even
29:52
Speaker 2: necessarily want to talk about it until it's out there,
29:54
Speaker 2: you know, we're out there out there because it is
29:57
Speaker 2: so disgusting.
29:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's something that is again we have been
30:04
Speaker 1: relatively restrained in terms of what we're talking about and
30:09
Speaker 1: you know, trying to have multiple good sources and like
30:12
Speaker 1: be sure about stuff before we're talking about it because
30:15
Speaker 1: what we don't want to do is sort of fire
30:17
Speaker 1: hose stuff out and then have to come back to
30:19
Speaker 1: you three weeks later and go, well, actually we were
30:21
Speaker 1: wrong about this and it turns out that was different.
30:24
Speaker 1: Like that's how we've sort of approached this whole thing,
30:27
Speaker 1: which means, you know, it has been a little bit
30:30
Speaker 1: less you know, sensationalistic in all caps than other folks.
30:35
Speaker 1: And that's fine, Like that's how we're choosing to approach this.
30:39
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is a it's you know, again, not
30:45
Speaker 1: a pretty disturbing case, but not something that is probably
30:48
Speaker 1: materially going to impact anything in terms of the NCAA
30:51
Speaker 1: case about with Michigan. I'm just sort of scrolling through
30:55
Speaker 1: here we mented, says Nope, Wing meant Ted says, how
31:04
Speaker 1: many things has Tom read to us about Michigan controversies.
31:07
Speaker 1: Jargon legally is by laws. It's like another bedtime story. Listen,
31:10
Speaker 1: I'm all here, I'm here for you guys. Just want
31:14
Speaker 1: to again, we're doing this to uh, you know, we
31:17
Speaker 1: are giving you the jargon and legalies and by laws
31:20
Speaker 1: because that's the stuff that's the actual you know, that's
31:23
Speaker 1: the actual basis of how this stuff is going to
31:25
Speaker 1: get decided and what this stuff is all mean. You
31:28
Speaker 1: know what all this stuff actually means? Uh? And you know,
31:31
Speaker 1: not just sort of like throwing stuff against the law.
31:34
Speaker 2: Can I can I give you one of the tweets
31:37
Speaker 2: that I saw today from a Michigan fanweting about.
31:41
Speaker 1: I meant to pull it and then I didn't, and
31:43
Speaker 1: that's on me, and I apologize.
31:45
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna I won't read it as it is
31:48
Speaker 2: written because I'll be I'll sound like an idiot. But
31:52
Speaker 2: so it's basically it says this, Well, I'm going to
31:55
Speaker 2: read some of it like it's written. So for you
31:58
Speaker 2: so called experts who are speculating what really happened is
32:01
Speaker 2: Wise gained access to Cave McNamara and Eric Hall's emails
32:05
Speaker 2: because of Iowa's tampering to get them to transfer, and
32:08
Speaker 2: he was trying to expose it, but did it in
32:11
Speaker 2: a wrong way. So you say criminal, I say hero
32:18
Speaker 2: that just fell short. And maybe you know, like the
32:25
Speaker 2: idea that vigilante, I guess is a word that we
32:29
Speaker 2: could use for this, and he was trying to stop
32:32
Speaker 2: the evils of IOWA football and Kirk ference or perhaps
32:36
Speaker 2: maybe even Brian Ferrence, which again, Tom, you of all people,
32:42
Speaker 2: how are you gonna damn this person?
32:45
Speaker 1: Well, and again I think not just you know, to
32:50
Speaker 1: have the foresight, Tony, to have started, as the indictment says,
32:54
Speaker 1: between approximately twenty fifteen and January twenty twenty three. To
32:57
Speaker 1: have the foresight to have done it when Cave McNamara
32:59
Speaker 1: was what a junior in high school. I mean that's that.
33:05
Speaker 1: That shows remarkable foresight to have done that while he
33:08
Speaker 1: was I think with the Baltimore Ravens at that point.
33:11
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, certainly a possibility. As with so
33:15
Speaker 1: much these days, Tony, you read that and you're like,
33:18
Speaker 1: I can't tell. I've lost the ability to tell if
33:20
Speaker 1: this is sarcasm or someone who genuinely thinks this.
33:24
Speaker 2: That's well, that's why I had to explore the account
33:28
Speaker 2: and oh no, no, they believe this.
33:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I saw that and I thought I
33:34
Speaker 1: need to pull that for this this show, and then
33:36
Speaker 1: I didn't do it and I forgot so that I
33:41
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33:43
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33:46
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35:20
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