Transcript

Credlin | 5 August · Credlin

0:02
Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Skyins Australia.
0:08
Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
0:11
Speaker 2: As always, Here's what's coming up on Kredline tonight. A
0:14
Speaker 2: we can a protests in Britain as concerns over badly
0:17
Speaker 2: controlled immigration grow. I'll cross Live for the UK for
0:20
Speaker 2: the latest. But it's a timely reminder for us here
0:23
Speaker 2: in Australia that our leaders must do more to protect
0:27
Speaker 2: social cohesion. The world's woken up to the need to
0:30
Speaker 2: protect women's sport as the Olympics becomes engulfed in a
0:33
Speaker 2: gender controversy. Outspoken defender of women, Senator Claire Chandler says
0:39
Speaker 2: enough's enough. He said the Ulus statement in full heed
0:43
Speaker 2: over the weekend. In the territory, the Prime Minister retreated
0:47
Speaker 2: on his push for a Macaraate commission or has he
0:51
Speaker 2: even his own ministers seem at odds. I think it's
0:54
Speaker 2: all a pre election con and I'll explain why in
0:58
Speaker 2: a moment. And concern amounts today is Australia's terror threat
1:03
Speaker 2: is raised from possible to probable, with the AZIO director
1:07
Speaker 2: acknowledging the ongoing protests we've seen from Palestinian activists.
1:13
Speaker 3: Gaza is not the cause of this rising, but actually
1:15
Speaker 3: I acknowledged yes, it's a significant driver. It's driven more
1:20
Speaker 3: emotion and heat into society.
1:24
Speaker 2: But first, Anthony Albanezi's opening words on winning the election
1:28
Speaker 2: could not have been clearer.
1:31
Speaker 4: And on behalf of the Australian Labor Party, I commit
1:34
Speaker 4: to the ularu's statement from Naha and home.
1:39
Speaker 2: The fact that implementing ULARU in full was the first
1:43
Speaker 2: thing he uttered after Labour's defeat of the Morrison Gabban
1:46
Speaker 2: show just how high up this was in his priorities.
1:51
Speaker 2: No ifs, nobuts. It was ULARU in full, Voice, Treaty
1:57
Speaker 2: and Truth. But that was for the spectacular defeat of
2:01
Speaker 2: the Voice referendum sixty one percent of Australians to thirty nine,
2:06
Speaker 2: the PM's signature proposal going down in every state on
2:11
Speaker 2: the weekend, and for the Albanez he was back at
2:14
Speaker 2: the Garma Festival. Only this time it wasn't to took
2:17
Speaker 2: up his commitment to Voice, treaty and truth. It was
2:21
Speaker 2: to spell out the role remote Indigenous communities could play
2:24
Speaker 2: in bringing about Australia's so called green transition.
2:29
Speaker 4: Growing global demand for renewable energy critical minerals and rare earths.
2:34
Speaker 4: Represents an unprecedented opportunity for our nation and for Northern Australia.
2:41
Speaker 4: New clean energy projects, new defense and security projects, new
2:46
Speaker 4: processing and refining facilities can all unlock new jobs and
2:51
Speaker 4: prosperity for indigenous communities.
2:57
Speaker 2: Along the way. He let the cat out of the bang.
3:01
Speaker 4: We know this has not been tried before on a
3:03
Speaker 4: national scalp.
3:04
Speaker 1: This is the biggest.
3:05
Speaker 4: Change in the global economy since the Industrial Revolution.
3:12
Speaker 5: Now let me.
3:13
Speaker 2: Repeat that Labour's grand transition, he said, has not been
3:16
Speaker 2: tried anywhere before on a national scale. Is right about that.
3:22
Speaker 2: It's being pushed harder here than anywhere else. Nowhere else
3:26
Speaker 2: in the world is any other country trying to do
3:30
Speaker 2: what we are to run a whole economy effectively on
3:34
Speaker 2: wind and solar power. But back to indigenous policy. Last
3:39
Speaker 2: year was a voice treaty truth, a commitment that meant
3:42
Speaker 2: so much to him that he was often in tears
3:46
Speaker 2: when discussing it.
3:47
Speaker 4: The many are this moment has been a very long
3:58
Speaker 4: time in the make.
4:02
Speaker 2: And then yet on the weekend, like Kevin Rudd when
4:04
Speaker 2: he ditched the climate change obsession after earlier saying it
4:08
Speaker 2: was the greatest moral challenge of our times. So too,
4:12
Speaker 2: Albanese is dumped Ularu's truth commission, the Macarata Commission and treaty.
4:18
Speaker 2: Or did he because that's the rat cunning of the
4:21
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. You could read it either way, and that's
4:25
Speaker 2: likely to be his intention. On the weekend, Albanese insisted
4:30
Speaker 2: he was still committed to truth telling and treaty, but
4:33
Speaker 2: that that commitment didn't mean what we always thought it did.
4:37
Speaker 2: Macarata didn't mean a full blown truth telling commission. It
4:41
Speaker 2: was just a long new word meaning coming together after
4:45
Speaker 2: a struggle, and that he insisted, with all he had
4:49
Speaker 2: ever meant.
4:51
Speaker 6: One of the architects of the Ularu statement, Pat Anderson,
4:53
Speaker 6: says that you should be embarking on a truth and
4:56
Speaker 6: justice commission.
4:57
Speaker 5: He's saying, it's not that.
4:58
Speaker 7: That's not what you're going to do.
5:00
Speaker 4: Well, that's not what we have proposed. What we're proposed
5:05
Speaker 4: is Macaratea just being the idea of coming together. So
5:10
Speaker 4: it's talking about that's what we want to do. We're engaging.
5:14
Speaker 4: Being here is a starting point now, that's all.
5:19
Speaker 2: It was the use of a long new word for
5:22
Speaker 2: a bit of verbal flourished. Why did he promise ULARU
5:25
Speaker 2: in full on election night. And if that's all it was,
5:30
Speaker 2: why are so many Indigenous leaders today so angry with
5:33
Speaker 2: claims he's broken an election promise and let them down.
5:37
Speaker 2: And if that's all it was, what about the almost
5:40
Speaker 2: six million dollars in the recent federal budget to set
5:43
Speaker 2: up his Macarate Commission. Money that's never been withdrawn or reallocated,
5:48
Speaker 2: even though it's said to have been paused during the
5:52
Speaker 2: Voice campaign. Now, make no mistake under this Prime minister.
5:56
Speaker 2: If he stays, we will get treaty and truth and
6:00
Speaker 2: it will come on the back of backdoor deals with states,
6:03
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, work by officials, not through the front door,
6:07
Speaker 2: not like a referendum, not something taken to an election
6:10
Speaker 2: and debated in the Parliament, let alone something put to
6:13
Speaker 2: the people. Already fearful of backlash from Labour's inner city base,
6:18
Speaker 2: the new Indigenous Minister, Melanderra McCarthy was out today trying
6:23
Speaker 2: to mop up.
6:25
Speaker 8: We are not moving away from our commitment to the
6:28
Speaker 8: ULARU statement from the heart. The interpretation of what the
6:32
Speaker 8: Prime Minister said has been taken completely further than what
6:35
Speaker 8: it was meant to.
6:37
Speaker 1: Is setting up a Macarate Commission, which you're clearly suggesting
6:40
Speaker 1: is still on the cards possible between now and the
6:42
Speaker 1: next election.
6:44
Speaker 8: Well, I can certainly say is a new minister for
6:46
Speaker 8: Indigenous Australians, that that commitment we made, and the Prime
6:50
Speaker 8: Minister repeated that in his speech at the forum in
6:53
Speaker 8: Gama is one that I will certainly pursue.
6:59
Speaker 2: Today doesn't square with what the Prime Minister said over
7:02
Speaker 2: the weekend. Labor's just trying to survive the next election
7:05
Speaker 2: by trying to be all things to all people, to
7:08
Speaker 2: tell those who rejected the Voice that it's all over.
7:11
Speaker 2: We listened, no more dividing the nation by race. And
7:14
Speaker 2: yet to those of the cities, the hard elites on
7:18
Speaker 2: the hard left, don't worry. It's all still on the table.
7:22
Speaker 2: Don't be conned. Voice, treaty and truth is still very
7:26
Speaker 2: much alive. It's just that you're supposed not to know. Now.
7:36
Speaker 2: If there's one thing that will turn people against immigration,
7:39
Speaker 2: it's a sense but it's not been run in our
7:42
Speaker 2: national interest. A weekend of protests in the UK, triggered
7:46
Speaker 2: by the murder of three young girls but driven by
7:49
Speaker 2: unhappiness over arn't integrated migrant communities, shows how badly controlled
7:54
Speaker 2: migration constrain the social fabric even of reasonably easy going
7:59
Speaker 2: countries Britain. And with the new immigration minister here in Australia,
8:04
Speaker 2: one whose electorate is fifty five percent born overseas and
8:07
Speaker 2: twenty five percent Muslim, you've got a wonder whether immigration
8:11
Speaker 2: policy will be about what's in Australia's best interest, on
8:15
Speaker 2: what's best for Tony Burke and for labor desperately trying
8:19
Speaker 2: to hold on to ten or so seats with a
8:21
Speaker 2: high Muslim vote. Last Friday, the Sydney Morning Herald reported
8:25
Speaker 2: that the Albanezer government would give permanent residency to the
8:29
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred or so Gars and residents who have come
8:32
Speaker 2: here since October seven, and to the thousand more who've
8:36
Speaker 2: been granted visas but are yet to arrive now. This
8:40
Speaker 2: is despite polls at show about sixty five percent of
8:43
Speaker 2: guards and support her months and about that much think
8:47
Speaker 2: the October seven rapes, killings and hostage takings were justified.
8:51
Speaker 2: And even though there's no consulate in the war zone
8:54
Speaker 2: to security check any of these people. Labour sources of
8:59
Speaker 2: citing has precedent the Avid government's twenty fifteen decision to
9:03
Speaker 2: admit twelve and a half thousand refugees from the then
9:06
Speaker 2: Syrian war zone. But the facts then, and I know
9:10
Speaker 2: that well I was there, were very different. Under Abbat,
9:14
Speaker 2: the government was explicit about preferencing persecuted minorities, people selected
9:21
Speaker 2: by our own Australian officials, not the UN, and not
9:25
Speaker 2: people who would likely bring to Australia the troubles of
9:28
Speaker 2: their homeland. Now, of those who came back then, ninety
9:32
Speaker 2: percent were Christian or Yazidi and they were all properly
9:37
Speaker 2: security checked by our officials on the ground, something that
9:41
Speaker 2: it did not happening with those arriving from Gaza. With
9:45
Speaker 2: Tony Burker's minister, the Warrias will import more of the
9:49
Speaker 2: world's hatreds, especially with the pressure on Labour from the
9:53
Speaker 2: Greens and Islamist activists to bring more and more Gazans
9:58
Speaker 2: to Australia. Now, I get that we can't send people
10:01
Speaker 2: back to a war zone. They would breach our international obligations.
10:05
Speaker 2: But if Gazans can't go back just yet, don't give
10:09
Speaker 2: them a permanent visa. Let's just renew their temporary visas.
10:13
Speaker 2: We could easily do that rather than take a long
10:16
Speaker 2: term risk on social cohesion or Australia's security, especially today
10:23
Speaker 2: given the risk of a terror attack in this country
10:26
Speaker 2: has been raised from possible to probable. And if doesn't
10:35
Speaker 2: that the raising of the terror threat from possible to
10:38
Speaker 2: probable make a mockery of Tony Burke's plans to give
10:42
Speaker 2: people from Garza permanent residency. So Labor drops the routine
10:47
Speaker 2: attendance of our security chiefs at the National Security Committee
10:50
Speaker 2: meetings and then but laterdly reinstates them on the eve
10:55
Speaker 2: of an increased terror threat. When was this decision on
10:59
Speaker 2: a tear where a threat actually take taken? How exposed
11:04
Speaker 2: have we all been without those experts in the room
11:09
Speaker 2: for about a year and a half. And why now,
11:12
Speaker 2: with this increased terror threat is the Prime Minister so
11:15
Speaker 2: intent on moving on with his plan to gut the
11:19
Speaker 2: Home Affairs portfolio. Pathetic on borders, Yet more revelations today
11:25
Speaker 2: about foreign criminals allowed to stay in Australia. It all
11:29
Speaker 2: just goes to show when it comes to national security,
11:32
Speaker 2: Labour's instinctive position is weak. All right, we'll go to
11:41
Speaker 2: Canberra now for the headlines. Skyny's political reporter Trinny Macintosh.
11:45
Speaker 9: Good evening the threat of a terror attack here in
11:47
Speaker 9: Australia has been raised from possible to probable.
11:51
Speaker 4: I want to reassure Australians probable does not mean inevitable.
11:56
Speaker 9: AZO has uncovered eight alleged terror incidents since April alone.
12:00
Speaker 3: More Australians are being radicalized and radicalized more quickly.
12:04
Speaker 9: The threat is home grown, politically motivated. Violence is being
12:08
Speaker 9: fueled by anti government conspiracies, frustration with COVID overreach and
12:12
Speaker 9: growing violent erupting at protests. Attacks are likely to occur
12:17
Speaker 9: with little to no warning. Crowded places are deemed to
12:20
Speaker 9: be likely targets. Terrorists locally financed and using weapons like knives,
12:25
Speaker 9: guns and improvised explosives.
12:28
Speaker 3: The threats are becoming harder to predict and identify.
12:31
Speaker 9: The warring Gaza has inflamed tensions, but it's not the
12:34
Speaker 9: sole factor behind the decision acknowledge.
12:37
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a significant driver. It's driven more emotion and
12:42
Speaker 3: heat into society.
12:43
Speaker 4: When the temperature of the security environment is rising, we
12:47
Speaker 4: must lower the temperature of debate.
12:50
Speaker 9: A shakeup is on the way for Australia's busiest airport
12:53
Speaker 9: as the government tries to improve competition. A new slot
12:57
Speaker 9: manager will be appointed to try and stop Quantus and
12:59
Speaker 9: Verge hoarding domestic timesplots into Sydney Airport. It comes just
13:04
Speaker 9: days after Rex Airlines collapsed.
13:06
Speaker 10: That's extraordinary that it's taken the failure of an airline
13:10
Speaker 10: as important as Rex for Catherine King to move on
13:13
Speaker 10: something so important as competition.
13:15
Speaker 9: And Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds has begun giving evidence in
13:18
Speaker 9: her defamation action against former staff for Britney Higgins. Well,
13:22
Speaker 9: I'm delighted to be able to finally, after three and
13:25
Speaker 9: a half years, tell the truth. Last week, Senator reynolds
13:29
Speaker 9: lawyer told the court every fairy tale needs a villain
13:32
Speaker 9: and argued the Senator had been cast in that role
13:35
Speaker 9: by miss Higgins and partner David Shiraz for their quote
13:38
Speaker 9: fictional story of a political cover up of the alleged rape.
13:42
Speaker 9: Today a mim Miss Higgins lawyer returned serve, calling that
13:44
Speaker 9: comment misplaced, harassing and retraumatizing. The trial is slated to
13:49
Speaker 9: last five weeks. Trudy McIntosh, Sky News, Canberra.
13:55
Speaker 2: There's a lot to get across tonight. I'm joined ow
13:57
Speaker 2: to do that. Sky News host at National Affairs editor,
13:59
Speaker 2: a Daily Time teleograph James Morrow and also joining me
14:02
Speaker 2: One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Gents welcome. I'll
14:06
Speaker 2: speak to a security expert in a moment about the
14:08
Speaker 2: increase in our terror threat levels, but I want to
14:12
Speaker 2: start with economic security concerns. These ones coming out of
14:15
Speaker 2: course from the US today a state side. We can
14:18
Speaker 2: then expected employment data spar concerns about a recession, causing
14:22
Speaker 2: a massive one hundred billion dollar sell off on our
14:25
Speaker 2: stock exchange when markets opened this morning. Global financial player
14:29
Speaker 2: Goldn sachs Now says the probability of a recessions risen
14:33
Speaker 2: from fifteen to twenty five percent. Unemployment in the States
14:37
Speaker 2: has hit four point three percent. Doubts are growing too
14:40
Speaker 2: about the value of some big tech firms. James Morrow,
14:44
Speaker 2: first to you. The Democrats have been leading pretty hard
14:47
Speaker 2: on growth as part of their big budget, sorry, big
14:51
Speaker 2: re election strategy. But that's now in jeopardy, isn't it,
14:54
Speaker 2: given the impact of job losses in the swing states
14:58
Speaker 2: that are already ask for Kamala Harris.
15:02
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely. Look, we've seen some really shocking jobs numbers
15:06
Speaker 11: out of the States, and job numbers when you take
15:08
Speaker 11: them month by month, in quarter by quarter really do
15:11
Speaker 11: indicate that a recession is coming. Now, this comes after,
15:15
Speaker 11: as you say, the Democrats tried to wear the hat
15:18
Speaker 11: of responsible economic managers. But behind the scenes, of course,
15:21
Speaker 11: you know, Congress and the Fed have all been pumping
15:24
Speaker 11: money into the economy to try and keep things moving
15:26
Speaker 11: at least to the election. Now it looks like this
15:29
Speaker 11: game of playing chicken essentially with the economy and the
15:33
Speaker 11: election that's not going so well. And these unemployment numbers
15:37
Speaker 11: show that it's those people who are working class, those
15:40
Speaker 11: people without university degrees, who are the hardest hit. These
15:42
Speaker 11: people will be in those swing states that Donald Trump
15:45
Speaker 11: is absolutely counting on the rust belt states, the industrial
15:48
Speaker 11: heartland of the US, while Kamal Harris tries to pick up,
15:52
Speaker 11: you know, the urban, elite, coastal swing states. So that's
15:57
Speaker 11: happening there. But at the same time, we're going to
15:58
Speaker 11: see a bloody day on Wall Street overnight. I think
16:01
Speaker 11: the Nasdaq futures are seeing some looking like a five
16:04
Speaker 11: or six percent decline is tipped for when the market opens.
16:07
Speaker 11: So this is really bad news for the Democrats, but
16:10
Speaker 11: it's also really bad news, of course for an awful
16:12
Speaker 11: lot of people who owned shares in America and the
16:15
Speaker 11: retirements and so many workers who are the victims of
16:19
Speaker 11: the way politics have been played with the American economy.
16:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really serious. It's dominated the headlines around
16:26
Speaker 2: the world. James Ashby here, our Reserve Bank is already
16:30
Speaker 2: saying we could be on the brink of the next
16:32
Speaker 2: global financial crisis. You and I worked together during the
16:36
Speaker 2: last one. It was pretty horrific in their parliament House
16:40
Speaker 2: trying to protect all the Australian businesses and banks. We know,
16:44
Speaker 2: we've got our bank, our RBA meeting tomorrow. Anyone with
16:48
Speaker 2: a mortgage is on tenderhooks. We've got runaway inflation, We've
16:51
Speaker 2: got big spending from the government. I always go here
16:54
Speaker 2: to the NDS. It's pretty grim here in Australia too.
17:00
Speaker 6: The only stock I noticed today that really didn't fall
17:02
Speaker 6: was gold. Gold stocks seem to hold up pretty well.
17:05
Speaker 6: I was glad to my companies did all right. But
17:08
Speaker 6: everything else it was bloodbath and we aren't through the
17:12
Speaker 6: worst of it yet. It started last week. It's only
17:14
Speaker 6: going to continue. This is where our federal government need
17:17
Speaker 6: to recognize that a lot of our wealth is coming
17:20
Speaker 6: at the moment from the exports from mining and agriculture.
17:23
Speaker 6: If there is a downturn across the globe, god forbid
17:26
Speaker 6: that our housing stocks also take a hit, because that
17:30
Speaker 6: will then see diastrates hit so many families here, so
17:34
Speaker 6: many investors too, who provide roofs over the head of
17:37
Speaker 6: so many renters. So we've got a lot riding on
17:40
Speaker 6: this and the old saying when America sneezes and Australia.
17:43
Speaker 5: Catches the cold. Didn't that stuck up today? Really sad?
17:48
Speaker 2: I have to say too, and live the US here.
17:50
Speaker 2: If you fall into trouble and your house values drop,
17:53
Speaker 2: is still pay your mortgage or they full close on you.
17:55
Speaker 2: In the United States, you just hand back the keys
17:57
Speaker 2: and walk away. We don't have that provision here in Australia. Hey,
18:02
Speaker 2: if you sit on the fence, soide goes James, You're
18:03
Speaker 2: going to get splinters. You know where I reckon. That's
18:06
Speaker 2: where the PM is today. After all this mixed messaging
18:10
Speaker 2: about Macarata, he was saying, look, it was just a
18:13
Speaker 2: verbal flourish. It was a word. It's not the commitment
18:15
Speaker 2: he thought it was. This is on the weekend about Macarata,
18:18
Speaker 2: and then he's got his minister out there trying to
18:20
Speaker 2: mop up today say no, no, no, we're absolutely committed.
18:25
Speaker 2: I can't tell which one it is. I suspect I
18:27
Speaker 2: know though, what about you?
18:31
Speaker 6: It just goes to prove that the Prime Minister really
18:34
Speaker 6: didn't know what he was trying to get Australia into
18:36
Speaker 6: with the entire Voice to Parliament. He's speaking out of
18:39
Speaker 6: both sides of his mouth here. We saw the same
18:41
Speaker 6: sort of tactic applide from Bill Shorten during the twenty
18:45
Speaker 6: nineteen election when in Queensland, in my neck of the
18:48
Speaker 6: woods here where we're big on coal mining and it
18:51
Speaker 6: supplies so many jobs to so many people in this region,
18:55
Speaker 6: he was saying I'm all for col Meanwhile he was
18:58
Speaker 6: going to Melbourne saying we're going to shut down on
19:00
Speaker 6: the coal mines, We're going to stop using coal. That's
19:02
Speaker 6: exactly what this Prime Minister has done here. He's trying
19:05
Speaker 6: to protect seats by pretending that no, you had your
19:09
Speaker 6: say at the referendum on the Voice to Parliament, we're
19:12
Speaker 6: not going to carry through with it. But as you
19:13
Speaker 6: rightfully pointed out at the start of the show, he's
19:16
Speaker 6: not withdrawn any of the funding that's been set aside
19:18
Speaker 6: by PM and c for the Macarate Commission that he's
19:22
Speaker 6: intending to implement. And yes, they are, by stealth implementing
19:27
Speaker 6: the Voice to Parliament, whether we like it or not.
19:30
Speaker 5: This labor government.
19:33
Speaker 2: What's going on with the Grand in Tasmania. James Morrow
19:36
Speaker 2: reportedly said to have offered office space to the Palaestinian
19:41
Speaker 2: Advocacy Network in Tasmania, a group that publicly asserts Israel
19:47
Speaker 2: isn't i quote an abomination that's got no right to exist.
19:53
Speaker 11: Well, this is just sharking news here. I mean, we
19:56
Speaker 11: know that the Greens are not the biggest friends of
19:59
Speaker 11: Israel put it like this here, but what's going on
20:02
Speaker 11: here in Tasmania is pretty shocking if the reports are correct.
20:05
Speaker 11: They've loaned office space so that this Palestine Action Network,
20:09
Speaker 11: which as you say, says all sorts of things that
20:11
Speaker 11: are explicitly eliminationists around the state of Issuel being as
20:16
Speaker 11: you say, an abomination their words, without a right to exist,
20:20
Speaker 11: and all sorts of other you know, that sort of colonialist,
20:23
Speaker 11: anti colonial rhetoric that we see on university campuses. Let
20:26
Speaker 11: them use their offices to come in and paint signs
20:29
Speaker 11: and have I think what they called a craft day
20:31
Speaker 11: so they can go and paint their signs and everything
20:33
Speaker 11: for their rallies and demonstrations. And the group thanked Senator
20:37
Speaker 11: Nick McKim, a Green senator, a senator in the Australian Senate,
20:41
Speaker 11: for this courtesy. I just think that this is really
20:44
Speaker 11: beyond the pale. I mean, it's one thing to have
20:47
Speaker 11: a position on Israel and Hamas that is different to ours,
20:51
Speaker 11: but it is also another thing entirely to be supporting
20:54
Speaker 11: a group that seems to be so hostile to the
20:57
Speaker 11: actual state of Israel. Who is you know, like it's
21:01
Speaker 11: a recognized statement, it's a friend of Australia. I just
21:03
Speaker 11: think that this needs some sort of censure. It is
21:06
Speaker 11: just appalling.
21:09
Speaker 2: Now, James Ashbir, I've got to ask you about this
21:11
Speaker 2: one because we talk then about cost of living pressures.
21:15
Speaker 2: What a taxpayer is going to make of this move
21:17
Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister to pay political staffers are whopping
21:21
Speaker 2: eleven percent plus pay increase and a whole lot of
21:25
Speaker 2: new increased allowances on top of salaries, and wait for it,
21:29
Speaker 2: a raft of new leave provisions, including special First Nations
21:34
Speaker 2: cultural leave, a new domestic violence leave. You already get
21:39
Speaker 2: annual leave parental leave, care as leave, community service leave,
21:42
Speaker 2: defense leave, study, leap and more. Now, tire, I'm the
21:46
Speaker 2: last person to say that stafferds do not work hard.
21:49
Speaker 2: I know they do, but this is out.
21:51
Speaker 6: Of touch, surely, yeah, completely, And look I pushed back
21:57
Speaker 6: against this. I'm going to vote. Know when the vote
22:00
Speaker 6: opens on the twelfth of August. I'm still a political
22:04
Speaker 6: staff at a center to hands and I'm still a
22:06
Speaker 6: chief of staff.
22:06
Speaker 5: Nothing's changed there. People would be horrified. I know.
22:09
Speaker 6: I text you over the last couple of days just
22:12
Speaker 6: to outline that I myself got paid what they call
22:15
Speaker 6: a retention bonus, which was seventeen hundred and fifty dollars
22:20
Speaker 6: in the last pay. Now, that's just outrageous. The Prime
22:24
Speaker 6: Minister has lost touch. Yeah, I just don't understand how
22:28
Speaker 6: the taxpayer can, on one hand, be told to pull
22:31
Speaker 6: that belt in because you know we're doing it tough.
22:33
Speaker 6: We've got to tighten things up, You've got to tighten
22:36
Speaker 6: things up, and yet in the same breath, go and
22:38
Speaker 6: give all these political staffers an eleven point two percent
22:42
Speaker 6: pay increase over the next.
22:44
Speaker 5: Couple of years. It's unfair.
22:46
Speaker 6: Taxpayers are on the hook for it, and especially when
22:48
Speaker 6: we look to be facing a recession ourselves, not on.
22:54
Speaker 2: If all of them were like you, we'll be in
22:56
Speaker 2: a better would be a better place financially. Thank you
22:59
Speaker 2: both for your time. James Square, James Ashuby, James Morrow.
23:02
Speaker 2: Let's go to that worrying rise today announced by the
23:04
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the AZO chief in the terror threat
23:07
Speaker 2: for Australia, with the chances of an attack now rising
23:10
Speaker 2: from possible to probable. Joining me now someone who knows
23:14
Speaker 2: all the ins and out, So there's the Director of
23:16
Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schuebridge. Michael, Just so everyone can
23:21
Speaker 2: understand what's actually meant by probable.
23:27
Speaker 12: Well, Peter, that threat level has moved from possible meaning
23:31
Speaker 12: a terrorist attack couldn't be ruled out, to probable, and
23:34
Speaker 12: that means that there's more than a fifty percent chance
23:39
Speaker 12: of an onshore terrorist attack in the next twelve months.
23:46
Speaker 2: And what about some of the key features of an
23:48
Speaker 2: attack laid out today by Mike Burgess he was pointing
23:52
Speaker 2: to and these are the hardest to contend with loan
23:57
Speaker 2: wolf actor attacks we see them overseas. Give us a
24:00
Speaker 2: sense of what that might mean in a practical sense,
24:02
Speaker 2: in Australia.
24:05
Speaker 12: Well, things have moved from the old days when someone
24:08
Speaker 12: who is going to commit a terrorist act had to
24:11
Speaker 12: join a terrorist group like al Coed and those groups
24:14
Speaker 12: were hard to join. Instead, we've got these lone wolf
24:17
Speaker 12: attacks where an individual is inspired by what they see
24:22
Speaker 12: others doing, is angry about something and decides to conduct
24:28
Speaker 12: and attack themselves. And we've seen that in different countries
24:32
Speaker 12: around the world. So they're very hard to spot because
24:34
Speaker 12: they don't have the connections to organized terrorist groups and
24:38
Speaker 12: it's very hard to know what someone is sucking down online.
24:44
Speaker 2: You make a fine point there because particularly in relation
24:46
Speaker 2: to young people, when we've seen alleged terror attacks is
24:51
Speaker 2: still to go through a court process. I'm thinking they're
24:53
Speaker 2: of the one involving the priest in Western Sydney. Those
24:57
Speaker 2: sorts of attacks, the radicalization of young people happens so fast.
25:03
Speaker 2: Often authorities have never alerted. Often often parents see no signs.
25:10
Speaker 12: Yes, and that's a very dangerous phenomenon. So Mike Burgess
25:13
Speaker 12: made a point that we're seeing younger people much more
25:17
Speaker 12: frequently being radicalized, age between fourteen and twenty one, in
25:21
Speaker 12: plots and other things that have been disrupted in the
25:24
Speaker 12: last little while. But we're going to remember young people
25:27
Speaker 12: have always been the quickest to move to violence. It's
25:30
Speaker 12: always young people we send off to wars, so it's
25:33
Speaker 12: not actually that novel.
25:37
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess today spoke about the impact of the war
25:40
Speaker 2: in Gaza, having what he called said it was a
25:43
Speaker 2: significant driver. I know he's trying to be diplomatic there,
25:49
Speaker 2: but you and I have discussed this before. I mean,
25:52
Speaker 2: you can't have the sort of heated protests we're seeing
25:55
Speaker 2: on the pro Palaestiny inside and not on the other side.
25:58
Speaker 2: They're on the pro Palestini inside without the threat of
26:01
Speaker 2: violence rising.
26:02
Speaker 13: Can you no remember we were told when these really
26:07
Speaker 13: angry pro Palestinian pro Hamass protests were happening around the country,
26:12
Speaker 13: it was all letting off steam and it was a.
26:14
Speaker 11: Pressure release valve.
26:15
Speaker 12: That's a lot of nonsense that unleashed anger and division
26:19
Speaker 12: in our community, and we are now reaping that harvest.
26:23
Speaker 12: It's been failed political leadership by the government. They have
26:27
Speaker 12: tried to say different things to different constituencies. They haven't
26:31
Speaker 12: had a clear position, and they haven't led the community debate.
26:36
Speaker 12: The result is there's so much anger that a step
26:39
Speaker 12: to violence is a simpler, easier thing.
26:45
Speaker 2: We got right about this in the Sunday papers. I've
26:47
Speaker 2: discussed it again tonight. I have grave concerns about the
26:52
Speaker 2: government's report and move to make the current temporary guards
26:56
Speaker 2: of visas permanent, to allow people to stay permently and
27:00
Speaker 2: I presume go on the path to Australian citizenship. We
27:03
Speaker 2: don't have consular facilities in Gaza, we don't have an embassy,
27:06
Speaker 2: we don't have officials on the ground. How on earth
27:09
Speaker 2: do we security check these individuals even on a temporary basis,
27:13
Speaker 2: let alone allow them to stay just because the government's
27:16
Speaker 2: got a bit of pressure from some interest groups.
27:20
Speaker 12: Well, yes, we've just been talking about stoking anger and
27:24
Speaker 12: division in the Australian community. It's an unfortunate fact that
27:29
Speaker 12: Poles of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank say
27:33
Speaker 12: over fifty percent of them support armed struggle and around
27:37
Speaker 12: forty percent of them are Hamas supporters. Now, anyone who
27:41
Speaker 12: supports armed struggle and or Hamas is not the kind
27:45
Speaker 12: of person we want in our community, stoking more anger
27:49
Speaker 12: and division.
27:50
Speaker 7: That's the problem.
27:54
Speaker 2: Just before you go, Michael, what about the revelations today?
27:56
Speaker 2: We're still in a miss about the government's decision to
28:01
Speaker 2: allow in this case reporters Dave visas for sixty six
28:05
Speaker 2: criminals to stand criminals convicted of child sex and rape.
28:10
Speaker 2: HARKing back, of course, to the infamous Direction ninety nine,
28:14
Speaker 2: there's got to be pressure out on Tony Burke to
28:16
Speaker 2: completely repeal this direction. I know the mop up direction
28:20
Speaker 2: that came Direction one hundred and ten was supposed to
28:24
Speaker 2: remedy the efficiencies here, but clearly it's not working.
28:29
Speaker 12: No, if Tony Burke is really going to clean up
28:31
Speaker 12: the mess that he's inherited, he has to acknowledge the mess.
28:36
Speaker 12: And I've heard him talk about the collapse in surveillance
28:39
Speaker 12: flights and he's just carrying the bureaucrats brief telling us
28:42
Speaker 12: everything is fine. He really needs to lead the department
28:46
Speaker 12: and he needs to know when do not accept the
28:49
Speaker 12: advice he's getting from the bureaucrats.
28:53
Speaker 2: Spot on, Michael Suebridge, thank you for your time. I
28:57
Speaker 2: know a number of you have asked me how you
28:59
Speaker 2: repeal a direction. In this case, it's a ministerial instrument.
29:02
Speaker 2: All he needs to do Tony Burke is he could
29:04
Speaker 2: fix it tomorrow with a stroke of his pen. Well,
29:07
Speaker 2: the pen can make, the pen can unmake, or right
29:10
Speaker 2: after the break the Olympic Games tarnished by the gender
29:12
Speaker 2: controversy that's engulfed women's boxing. Plus a little bit later on,
29:16
Speaker 2: we've got a London Live as thousands take to the
29:19
Speaker 2: streets in protest welcome back to still the Carmon Cross
29:27
Speaker 2: Live in the UK has a very social fabric of
29:29
Speaker 2: Britain appears to fray over the issue of immigration. But first,
29:33
Speaker 2: the battle to protect women's sport has really come to
29:36
Speaker 2: the fore in recent days as the world watched on
29:39
Speaker 2: as Angela Karini abandoned her fight against the Algerian boxer
29:43
Speaker 2: Imman Khalif after just forty six seconds. Since this bout,
29:49
Speaker 2: calipse gone on to win in the quarter finals and
29:51
Speaker 2: is now guaranteed an Olympic medal. What, of course, matters
29:55
Speaker 2: here is Khalip's eligibility to even fight in the women's competition,
29:59
Speaker 2: given her disqualification from the Women's World Boxing Championships last
30:04
Speaker 2: year after failing to meet gender eligibility tests imposed by
30:08
Speaker 2: boxing's peak body and that's the International Boxing Association. The
30:14
Speaker 2: president of IBA has alleged the test results show that
30:17
Speaker 2: Khalif carried the male x Y chromosomes and said at
30:22
Speaker 2: the time we identified a number of athletes who tried
30:25
Speaker 2: to trick their colleagues by posing as women. Now the IOC,
30:30
Speaker 2: the International Olympic Committee, has consistently disagreed with this finding.
30:34
Speaker 2: It's maintaining Khalif's eligible to fight the women's contest because
30:39
Speaker 2: she has a women's passport. For more on this, let's
30:42
Speaker 2: bring in liberal Senate of a Tasmanian, Claire Chandler. Claire, Well,
30:48
Speaker 2: you and I have often thought if you don't protect
30:51
Speaker 2: women's sport at the girls' sport level in local communities,
30:55
Speaker 2: you'll end up distorting it all away to Olympic level.
30:58
Speaker 2: And that's what certainly there's contra traversy about over the weekend.
31:02
Speaker 2: And what do you make of all of this and
31:03
Speaker 2: how it's unfolded.
31:07
Speaker 14: Well, you're exactly right, Peter, and I'm sure I've been
31:10
Speaker 14: on your program many times over the years talking about
31:13
Speaker 14: the fact that it would take a female athlete getting
31:16
Speaker 14: injured by a male athlete for the world, the sporting
31:20
Speaker 14: world in particular, to really sit up and listen and
31:23
Speaker 14: examine closely here what is going on? But what is
31:26
Speaker 14: going on isn't particularly complex. The International Olympic Committee has
31:31
Speaker 14: failed to guarantee that single that women's sport is for
31:36
Speaker 14: biological women, for females. If they had maintained that rule
31:40
Speaker 14: right from the get go, then we wouldn't be in
31:42
Speaker 14: a situation and they wouldn't be tying themselves in knots
31:45
Speaker 14: as they currently are trying to defend the frankly indefensible,
31:49
Speaker 14: which is that a male is competing in the women's
31:53
Speaker 14: boxing tournament and, like you say, will now get a medal.
31:57
Speaker 14: So we've seen the safety element this play out in
32:01
Speaker 14: recent days, looking at the way that Angela Crenie was
32:04
Speaker 14: injured in that match and forfeited that match. We're about
32:07
Speaker 14: to see the fairness element play out as well, because
32:10
Speaker 14: this Algerian athlete is going to get a medal that
32:13
Speaker 14: should have gone to a woman.
32:17
Speaker 2: Biology is pretty black and white when it comes to
32:19
Speaker 2: our chromosomes XX versus the male chromosomes of x Y.
32:25
Speaker 2: If what's report is accurate out of the Boxing Federation,
32:28
Speaker 2: if this Algerian boxer does have X Y, all it's
32:33
Speaker 2: cut and dried, and we're all seeing around the world
32:35
Speaker 2: watching a male beat up in a woman that if
32:38
Speaker 2: this was happening in the street, would call it domestic
32:40
Speaker 2: violence and demand there be an arrest.
32:45
Speaker 14: That's exactly right, and it's what makes the IOC's policy
32:49
Speaker 14: so frankly ridiculous. And the problem that we have at
32:53
Speaker 14: these Olympics, like you say, is that under boxing rules,
32:57
Speaker 14: which the IOC is currently the the governing body for
33:01
Speaker 14: that competition at the Olympics because they have some concerns
33:04
Speaker 14: with the International Boxing Association, we're seeing some athletes, some
33:08
Speaker 14: female athletes, being forced to compete against males. But in
33:11
Speaker 14: other sports where their international governing bodies have rightly taken
33:16
Speaker 14: the common sense approach and ensured that single sex sport
33:18
Speaker 14: for women is protected, they're playing under a different set
33:21
Speaker 14: of rules.
33:22
Speaker 2: So the buck really.
33:23
Speaker 14: Has to stop with the IOC. Here is their policy
33:26
Speaker 14: that is getting in the way of safety and fairness
33:28
Speaker 14: for women at this Olympics.
33:32
Speaker 2: Let's stay on women's sports because of the report today
33:34
Speaker 2: that applicants for the Alberezer government's two hundred million dollars
33:38
Speaker 2: Play our Way grants program are yet to get any funding. Now,
33:43
Speaker 2: this was said to be a game changer for women
33:45
Speaker 2: and girls' sports. It was announced with a lot of
33:48
Speaker 2: fanfare around the time of the Matilda's big wins last year,
33:52
Speaker 2: all about getting women to increase their participation. But twelve
33:57
Speaker 2: months on they're still waiting. Why is it taking so long?
34:03
Speaker 14: Well, I think that's a really good question, Peter. And
34:05
Speaker 14: this is yet another example in the women's sports space
34:09
Speaker 14: where the Albanese government talks the talk, but they won't
34:12
Speaker 14: walk the walk. And we have to remember that this
34:15
Speaker 14: is a government that has said that they have no
34:18
Speaker 14: interest in clarifying the law to ensure that women's sex
34:22
Speaker 14: women's single sex sport is protected in this country. The
34:26
Speaker 14: Sports Minister herself said that the bill that I introduced
34:30
Speaker 14: as a senator in the last Parliament belongs on the
34:32
Speaker 14: shelf gathering dust because they don't want to take leadership here.
34:37
Speaker 14: And I think that's really disappointing. And there would be
34:39
Speaker 14: many Australian sporting women and girls that are looking at
34:42
Speaker 14: what is happening at the Olympics now and wondering can
34:45
Speaker 14: that happen here in Australia. Well, yes, sadly it can,
34:48
Speaker 14: but it's time for the government to take some leadership.
34:52
Speaker 2: I suspect they're tying themselves up in not Claire about
34:55
Speaker 2: the definitions, you know, access to change rooms that might
34:59
Speaker 2: be built with common Wealth funds. They're going to want
35:01
Speaker 2: a trans exemption in there, and I suspect they want
35:04
Speaker 2: to use this money to pork barrel come the election campaign.
35:10
Speaker 14: Well, I think that there is every possibility that those
35:13
Speaker 14: two theories will be proven right in time, Peter. But yes,
35:16
Speaker 14: like you say, this is a government that has dragged
35:19
Speaker 14: its feet, I think quite purposefully on these issues because
35:23
Speaker 14: it's completely captured by.
35:25
Speaker 9: Far left activists.
35:26
Speaker 14: Like I say, the Sports Minister Anika Well sees no
35:29
Speaker 14: point to clarify within the sporting arena in this country
35:33
Speaker 14: that single sex sport for women should be protected. I
35:35
Speaker 14: think that's really disappointing and I think Australian girls and
35:38
Speaker 14: women who participate in sport are disappointed by that as well.
35:43
Speaker 2: Well, good on your Claire channel. I thank you for
35:45
Speaker 2: being in our corner. I get a lot of feedback
35:47
Speaker 2: about you when you speak up in these issues, and
35:49
Speaker 2: I know my viewers are very grateful. Thank you for
35:50
Speaker 2: your time. Right after Break Live to London for the
35:53
Speaker 2: latest on the ground after a weekend of riots across
35:57
Speaker 2: the UK, plus a bit later on how many it's
36:00
Speaker 2: the ABC wasting on advertising and that expert research that
36:04
Speaker 2: says countries with nuclear power pay less for household power.
36:13
Speaker 2: Welcome back, nuclear power could save when your power bell.
36:16
Speaker 2: We know that, Chris Bowen doesn't. He says it's all lies.
36:19
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment. But first, violence
36:22
Speaker 2: is escalated in northern England over the weekend, writers setting
36:25
Speaker 2: far to hotels used to hile's asylum seekers. It's triggered,
36:30
Speaker 2: of course by the stabbing deaths of three young girls
36:33
Speaker 2: at a dance studio of the town of Southport by
36:35
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old initially reported to be an asylum seeker. Well,
36:39
Speaker 2: it turns out, in fact that the suspect was born
36:42
Speaker 2: in Cardiff, So that's whales to rewinding parents. Well, no
36:46
Speaker 2: one can condone any of the violent scenes we have seen.
36:49
Speaker 2: They are appalling, so to the misinformation. This is an
36:53
Speaker 2: issue that's been simmering for a long time. Even the
36:56
Speaker 2: Hampshire and Isle of White Police Chief Donna Jones is
37:01
Speaker 2: you to state and calling on the Starmer government too,
37:04
Speaker 2: and I quote acknowledge what is causing this civil unrest.
37:08
Speaker 2: In order to prevent it, I've spoken to people from
37:11
Speaker 2: both sides of the spectrum, she says, and the only
37:14
Speaker 2: way to stem the tide of violent disorder is to
37:17
Speaker 2: acknowledge what is causing it. For more on this, let's
37:20
Speaker 2: bring in the editor of Spiked Online, Tom Slater. Tom
37:24
Speaker 2: will start at the top, just generally, I mean, these
37:27
Speaker 2: scenes are horrific. They've gone around the world. Where are
37:30
Speaker 2: things up to at the moment.
37:33
Speaker 7: The mood is very sobering as well as horrifying.
37:36
Speaker 15: I mean what we're witnessing here with people trying to
37:39
Speaker 15: burn down hotels with migrants such asylum seekers in them,
37:42
Speaker 15: people running around immigrant community shouting racial slurs against Asian Brits.
37:48
Speaker 15: I mean this is racist violence, the sort of which
37:51
Speaker 15: that people felt had been confined to the history books.
37:55
Speaker 15: And I think we should be absolutely clear if you're
37:57
Speaker 15: trying to burn down a hotel with migrants inside, if
38:00
Speaker 15: you're shouting those slurs and smashing up minority businesses, you're
38:03
Speaker 15: not expressing legitimate concerns.
38:06
Speaker 7: I think both people across.
38:08
Speaker 15: The community and for whether their ethnic minorities are not
38:12
Speaker 15: horrified by what's going on. And also what's been horrifying
38:15
Speaker 15: is the response, which is that there's been this very
38:18
Speaker 15: identifying tendency on the part of the commentary and the
38:20
Speaker 15: elites to lump in the broader concerns that were expressed
38:24
Speaker 15: last week after that horrendous stabbing in Southport, the sense
38:27
Speaker 15: that society was coming apart with this tiny minority of
38:32
Speaker 15: racist thugs, and the sense that we're not really going
38:34
Speaker 15: to have the proper discussion that we need in the
38:37
Speaker 15: wake of the scenes that we've seen in recent days.
38:41
Speaker 2: If you don't have an honest and open conversation about immigration,
38:45
Speaker 2: legal and illegal, and you've certainly had out of control
38:48
Speaker 2: illegal migration for some time, this stuff simmers, some of
38:52
Speaker 2: it goes underground. You feed that the far right racist element,
38:57
Speaker 2: but you also get a lot of ordinary Brits fear
39:00
Speaker 2: there's no national interest being displayed by the government. I
39:03
Speaker 2: have to sound critical here of the Tories as much
39:05
Speaker 2: as I am the new government, that the government's plural
39:08
Speaker 2: are not acting in the national interest. This stuff doesn't
39:11
Speaker 2: go away if you don't deal with it. You can't
39:13
Speaker 2: sweep it under the carpet. So what's been the response
39:16
Speaker 2: of the politicians.
39:18
Speaker 15: I think the response to the politicians has been woeful.
39:21
Speaker 15: I mean, beyond the kind of more immediate policing issues.
39:24
Speaker 15: We've seen Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, the Labor Prime Minister,
39:28
Speaker 15: basically seem to set in motion calls for a crackdown
39:32
Speaker 15: not just on these protests but on civil liberties more broadly.
39:34
Speaker 15: He said he wants to roll out facial recognition technology
39:38
Speaker 15: cameras across the country. There's been very vague but pretty
39:42
Speaker 15: simius to talk about the role that social media companies
39:44
Speaker 15: must now play in clamping down on misinformation. Which as ever,
39:48
Speaker 15: if anyone's committing a crime online or off, of course
39:51
Speaker 15: they should face the full force of the law. But
39:53
Speaker 15: asking the state or asking social media firms to be
39:57
Speaker 15: a ministry of truth is woeful and I think it
39:59
Speaker 15: sends entirely the wrong message, which is that a clear
40:01
Speaker 15: distinction should be made. Of course, if you're engaging in
40:04
Speaker 15: violence that are racist violence, there are no legitimate concerns
40:07
Speaker 15: to be reckoned with there. But there were clearly concerns
40:10
Speaker 15: expressed in the wake of what happened last week, in
40:12
Speaker 15: the wake of what's happened over the course of recent years.
40:15
Speaker 7: And yet your response now is just more censorship, more crackdowns.
40:19
Speaker 15: And I think ordinary people are genuinely as much as they.
40:23
Speaker 7: Are immediately horrified what's going on the streets.
40:25
Speaker 15: There's also an unease about the fact that this is
40:27
Speaker 15: going to lead to less open discussions these issues rather than.
40:30
Speaker 2: More, because it's hard not to think it's been a
40:35
Speaker 2: tinderbox for some time. But you look back at what's
40:37
Speaker 2: been happening in the UK since the events of October seven,
40:41
Speaker 2: and you can have one hundred thousand pro Hummus, pro
40:44
Speaker 2: Gars and types march in the street and everyone's meant
40:47
Speaker 2: to stand back and say, well, that's free speech, and
40:50
Speaker 2: not all of them have been good and kind and peaceful,
40:53
Speaker 2: and you've got Jewish people in Britain feeling increasingly persecuted, unsafe,
41:01
Speaker 2: many feeling like they don't belong in Britain anymore. And
41:04
Speaker 2: that's not been decried by officials as hard and fast
41:09
Speaker 2: as this has been decried. Now I'm not saying you
41:10
Speaker 2: don't decry this, absolutely, but they're also not dealing with
41:14
Speaker 2: the cause, they're dealing just with the symptoms.
41:18
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
41:18
Speaker 15: I think there have been tremendous double standards in terms
41:21
Speaker 15: of what flavor of ethnic sectarianism, what flavor of racism,
41:26
Speaker 15: what flavor of fascism that you're willing to condemn. I
41:29
Speaker 15: mean at the weekend there were also quote unquoite pro
41:31
Speaker 15: Palestine demonstrations in London, obviously nowhere near as destructive as
41:35
Speaker 15: what we've seen, but people were arrested there for giving
41:37
Speaker 15: Nazi salutes.
41:39
Speaker 7: This is something which I think many members of the Jewish.
41:41
Speaker 15: Community are wondering, where was this national conversation when we
41:45
Speaker 15: saw anti Jewish, anti Semitic hate, crimes and violence, or
41:49
Speaker 15: by one hundred percent the worke of October the seventh.
41:51
Speaker 15: So this has been brewed for a very long time,
41:53
Speaker 15: and I think what is deeply concerning is that hard
41:56
Speaker 15: right agitators are playing on this sense that there has
41:58
Speaker 15: been this sectarian isn't growing in our midst that people
42:01
Speaker 15: have been encouraged to see conflicts through the lens of
42:04
Speaker 15: group racial religious grievance, and they're now trying to weaponize
42:09
Speaker 15: that and make those kinds of arguments in relation to
42:12
Speaker 15: the white majority. I'm seeing a small slimmer of that
42:15
Speaker 15: white majority onto those kuns of arguments.
42:17
Speaker 2: Now, thanks Tom, thanks for joining us. We'll stay across
42:21
Speaker 2: this issue and come back to you later on the week.
42:23
Speaker 2: I hope it gets better. I fear it's in for
42:26
Speaker 2: long haul there. I will mention actually after the break
42:29
Speaker 2: there's been some really interesting announcements about emergency funding for
42:33
Speaker 2: mosques in the UK but not synagogues, and Nigel Farage
42:36
Speaker 2: of course, is just weighed in issued a statement. I'll
42:39
Speaker 2: come back to that after the break. We'll also get
42:41
Speaker 2: into this energy fight, so Chris bow and accusing Peter
42:44
Speaker 2: Dutton of lying about the prices on your power bills.
42:49
Speaker 2: Plus all that money the ABC is wasting on advertising.
42:57
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it my panel now, Skine contributor,
43:00
Speaker 2: Forward Howard Government, former Howard Government, Immigration minister Gary Hargrave
43:04
Speaker 2: and the wonderful Keith Peered from beautiful Queensland. We'll get
43:08
Speaker 2: into some local issues at a moment, but Gary, given
43:10
Speaker 2: your previous portfolio, I've just been talking to Tom Slater
43:14
Speaker 2: in the UK about these riots. The Reform UK leader
43:17
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage's posted this just moments ago to social media.
43:21
Speaker 2: He says the majority of our population can see the
43:24
Speaker 2: fracturing of our communities as a result of mass, uncontrolled migration.
43:28
Speaker 2: He says we must have a more honest debate about
43:32
Speaker 2: these vital issues. And also I mentioned this before the
43:35
Speaker 2: break the UK government will not provide Jewish synagogues and
43:39
Speaker 2: Christian churches with emergency security on the back of these riots,
43:43
Speaker 2: but they will do show for mosques. What do you
43:46
Speaker 2: make of this, Gary.
43:49
Speaker 5: Well, Peter.
43:49
Speaker 1: It hasn't come quickly, has it. The Commonwealth used to
43:52
Speaker 1: be the basis by which a lot of people could
43:54
Speaker 1: migrate or move to England for whatever, for work and
43:58
Speaker 1: so forth. But then we up with the worst of
44:01
Speaker 1: Europe defeating the best of Britain. And the trouble was
44:04
Speaker 1: that not much money was put into to invest in
44:08
Speaker 1: to actually learn the English language. So you've got entire
44:10
Speaker 1: suburbs of London where Urdu, the language of Pakistan, is
44:15
Speaker 1: spoken more than you hear English. And so you created
44:19
Speaker 1: these kind of ghetto ish kind of environments where people
44:22
Speaker 1: just look in on each other and don't actually work
44:24
Speaker 1: out how they can be good Britons. And that's been
44:27
Speaker 1: the difference between them and us. And it was twenty
44:30
Speaker 1: eight years ago when I was in this space that
44:33
Speaker 1: the British government came and said, so how do we
44:35
Speaker 1: do citizenship, Well, we do public ceremonies.
44:37
Speaker 5: They've got to go through a requirement.
44:39
Speaker 1: In Britain, they were just sending people their citizenship certificates
44:43
Speaker 1: in the mail.
44:43
Speaker 5: There was no fuss, no public declaration.
44:46
Speaker 1: So I think that a lot of this has been
44:49
Speaker 1: many generations coming, but this is now the worst you
44:52
Speaker 1: can ever imagine, and until they actually are honest with people,
44:55
Speaker 1: I think for Oja's right, we do have to protect
44:58
Speaker 1: the synagogues, We do have to pret tech the churches,
45:00
Speaker 1: because there is a pac mentality and this is destroying
45:05
Speaker 1: Great Britain. This is going to be the left, the
45:08
Speaker 1: international left, to trying to destroy the kind of traditions
45:12
Speaker 1: that have made the West grade and Britain is their
45:14
Speaker 1: big target. America second, and frankly Australia is in the
45:16
Speaker 1: top three. This is a genuine threat to the way
45:20
Speaker 1: of life that we have known for a long time.
45:22
Speaker 2: Peter As is there intend to destroy borders too, to
45:27
Speaker 2: have a whole open border world. We'll get to that
45:30
Speaker 2: another time. Let's go back to some local issues. This
45:33
Speaker 2: was the nuclear energy debate. Keith in Keith in Victoria,
45:37
Speaker 2: oh sorry, in Victoria, in Australia. Households in France, we learn,
45:42
Speaker 2: are paying as much as half what we pay for
45:45
Speaker 2: our power bills because they're underpinned by nuclear powder. This
45:50
Speaker 2: is according to the former head of the Australian Nuclear
45:52
Speaker 2: Science and Technology Organization and STO dtr Ady Patterson. Nuclear
45:57
Speaker 2: makes up sixty six percent of the grid in front.
46:00
Speaker 2: Ants and households were paying about forty nine Australian dollars
46:04
Speaker 2: per Mega what hour on July eleven. On the same day,
46:08
Speaker 2: by comparison, we were paying one hundred and five dollars
46:13
Speaker 2: per Mega what hour. It's a massive difference.
46:17
Speaker 7: Peace, Peter.
46:21
Speaker 10: Chris Baron's down on the beach trying to hold back
46:23
Speaker 10: the tide with one hand. There is an avalanche of
46:26
Speaker 10: evidence out there that demonstrates that nuclear is the right selection.
46:31
Speaker 10: It is the right choice for our country into the future,
46:33
Speaker 10: not just on cost, but on reliability, on economic security,
46:38
Speaker 10: on energy security. It is the right decision for our
46:41
Speaker 10: country and that's what the Coalition is prosecuting it. And
46:43
Speaker 10: all of those nations that you've just read out, their
46:46
Speaker 10: energy prices are cheaper and guess what. That makes their
46:49
Speaker 10: manufacturing more competitive, and that drives more jobs and a
46:52
Speaker 10: stronger economy, and that is exactly what we need in Australia.
46:55
Speaker 10: And Chris Balon should just get out of the way.
46:58
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that might security equals national security and that's
47:02
Speaker 2: where we're vulnerable. Let's go to this data obtained by
47:05
Speaker 2: the IPA. This is via Freedom of information request. It
47:09
Speaker 2: says that the ABC has increased spending on advertising, although
47:13
Speaker 2: it won't have it on its own television network, but
47:15
Speaker 2: they'll do it everywhere else, promotions and audience research, which
47:19
Speaker 2: is polling by thirty three percent the past year. During
47:22
Speaker 2: the last financial year, they spent almost thirteen million on ads,
47:25
Speaker 2: one and a half million on promos and seven and a
47:27
Speaker 2: half million on polling. I'll tell you what, Gary, the
47:31
Speaker 2: numbers are in free fall and obviously not doing what
47:34
Speaker 2: the research says they've got to do.
47:37
Speaker 5: Well.
47:37
Speaker 1: They don't care. They don't care about what the audience wants.
47:40
Speaker 1: And you know, some years ago Richard Olson, when he
47:42
Speaker 1: was the Communications Minister in Australia, he and I went
47:46
Speaker 1: off to the UK to go and.
47:47
Speaker 5: Talk to the BBC.
47:49
Speaker 1: And they actually go to the community, ask them what
47:51
Speaker 1: they expect of them, and deliver on it and then
47:53
Speaker 1: account back for how they've done it.
47:55
Speaker 5: That's how the BBC runs their model. The ABC just.
47:58
Speaker 1: Poll the office to people, they hire their friends to
48:01
Speaker 1: all this sort of consulting and look, by any measure, Peter,
48:06
Speaker 1: the only real market test is the one that Sky
48:09
Speaker 1: puts itself through every day. There is an audience number
48:13
Speaker 1: assessment that's made on Sky viewership. Because there are subscribers
48:17
Speaker 1: to this channel. We know on this channel exactly how
48:21
Speaker 1: we're performing and how we're doing, and are we meeting
48:24
Speaker 1: expectations of the viewers.
48:26
Speaker 5: And the ABC they just don't give it done.
48:28
Speaker 1: They've got six licenses in every capital city. I'd hand
48:32
Speaker 1: back four of them and make those four available to
48:35
Speaker 1: others who might want them in the marketplace. They've got
48:37
Speaker 1: five or six TV channels. I'd hand back at least
48:40
Speaker 1: three of those as well, because frankly, they're costing us
48:43
Speaker 1: a fortune and not many people are watching them. Make
48:46
Speaker 1: them a subscription service. Kim Williams knows what he's doing.
48:49
Speaker 1: If he wanted to do it, he did it for Foxtel.
48:51
Speaker 1: I just think, let's really test what their audience is.
48:54
Speaker 1: Let's see who wants to buy subscript subscription access to it.
48:58
Speaker 5: And let them funded. I don't know why the taxpayers
49:01
Speaker 5: are doing this anymore. That's ridiculous.
49:05
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'll tell you what Keith. When Richard
49:08
Speaker 2: Austen was a Communications Minister, I was his ABC advisor.
49:11
Speaker 2: I love the idea of pay per view, save a
49:14
Speaker 2: billion dollars and make only the Ausies that want to
49:17
Speaker 2: watch the ABC pay for the ABC. I didn't get
49:20
Speaker 2: it up obviously.
49:20
Speaker 5: Yep, try again.
49:24
Speaker 10: We'll all have to try harder, Peter, I think, But
49:27
Speaker 10: I mean this is just around. I've been a great
49:29
Speaker 10: support of the ABC, particularly ABC Radio for a long time,
49:32
Speaker 10: but they've lost my constituents, so they've lost me.
49:35
Speaker 7: And here's a hot tip.
49:36
Speaker 5: For the ABC.
49:37
Speaker 10: Get back to delivery news that can be trusted. Get
49:40
Speaker 10: back to providing a balanced view so the Australian people
49:43
Speaker 10: can make their own decisions. Stop trying to drag the
49:45
Speaker 10: country in the direction that you think the country should go.
49:48
Speaker 7: Let the Australian people make their.
49:49
Speaker 10: Own decision and they'll come back and watch you and
49:52
Speaker 10: stop asking for more money.
49:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. We need to make you the
49:58
Speaker 2: community Communications Minister and a new dunte government. There, Keith,
50:02
Speaker 2: such good common sense. I've gotta leave you there, Jens.
50:05
Speaker 2: See you both next week. Thanks for your company to night.
50:08
Speaker 2: See you tomorrow. Here's Andrew