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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the Utah Jazz getting Darryn Peterson in the NBA Draft, LaMelo Ball trade to Minnesota + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He said, Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 1: with former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more
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  Speaker 1: about the NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the Hoop's Talk.
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  Speaker 1: Stay for his list of the day we list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's oc with.
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  Speaker 3: Basketball Sobon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: I'm on Bee.
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in Gordy Chiasa, a resident NBA guru, brought to
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  Speaker 3: you by Aladdin Industries, your Vlux skylights dealer here in
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  Speaker 3: the state of Utah. Gordy, I feel like I haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen you for well. I let you take the day
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  Speaker 3: off yesterday. You didn't have to deal with me at
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  Speaker 3: all yesterday. But now you're back.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, we're back and forth right now. We're very happy
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  Speaker 1: to be here. And Sean's talking about we're together in
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  Speaker 1: the draft with Smitty and also with Spence check its
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  Speaker 1: and we had a good time, and so did Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: They had a good time drafting down Darren Peterson at
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  Speaker 1: two and Sean I said this recently that I never
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  Speaker 1: knew a team, whether it's the NBA or the NFL
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  Speaker 1: that didn't like their draft picks one day after the
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  Speaker 1: draft ever Sean ever my whole life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's really thrilled with their draft picks right now.
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  Speaker 1: And they should be. And then so they now comes
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  Speaker 1: the really gritty part about it. Who's going to play
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  Speaker 1: out as far as long term and Jazz basketball showing
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  Speaker 1: with Darren Peterson, they're getting a high level talent. That's
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  Speaker 1: the first thing. This guy is his unique skill set.
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  Speaker 1: He can make knockdown jumpers, so he can score the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and he has a strong body six or five or so,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like he's rugged. Now, the question is can
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  Speaker 1: he at what point can he right away step into
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  Speaker 1: the NBA and perform at a at a high level.
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  Speaker 1: It will take some time, but all the skill sets
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  Speaker 1: and talent it is absolutely there.
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  Speaker 3: We were speculating on, you know, usage and splitting time
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  Speaker 3: and does he coexist in the back court at the
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  Speaker 3: same time with Keyante George or do they use him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, separate from one another. Obviously it's not gonna
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  Speaker 3: be binary. You're going to get some of everything. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, we were we were trying to guess, and
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  Speaker 3: I imagine you've had a conversation or two since the
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  Speaker 3: draft pick happened, any further insight on what the planned
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  Speaker 3: usage is with their backcourt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm specling that it's going to be Cante George as
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  Speaker 1: a point guard who's emerged. He's getting better each year. Caante.
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  Speaker 1: As far as being a point guard slash shooter, I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that Darren's going to start at two, Peterson, Larry
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  Speaker 1: Marketing at three, Jaron Jackson at four, and when they
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  Speaker 1: do resign Walker Esla at five and use Ace Belly
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  Speaker 1: off the bench as the sixth man, which actually will
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  Speaker 1: help him. I know, it's like blasphemy saying he had
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  Speaker 1: he had really a solid rookie season with so much promise.
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  Speaker 1: He still has that, and then he plays with Isaiah Collier,
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  Speaker 1: who's really a point guard. So as what I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: that they're gonna try to possibly do that that Darren
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  Speaker 1: Peterson is not a point guard, especially age nineteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guard, which is which is great, But when
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  Speaker 1: you're a point guard in the NBA or play the
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  Speaker 1: point guard position, I'm using different words right now. Your
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  Speaker 1: job is to get everybody involved in the offense. Right initially,
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  Speaker 1: Sean at first in the words to be a winning
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  Speaker 1: point guard on the NBA, there's nothing like it, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: where your world changes every twenty four seconds. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this, yet every twenty four seconds.
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  Speaker 3: It's like playing quarterback, but you're playing quarterback with no huddle.
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  Speaker 3: You're playing quarterback with no stoppage between play as you're
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  Speaker 3: playing quarterback, where there's a constant evolution of the defense,
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  Speaker 3: the substitution, what's happening in front of you, with really
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  Speaker 3: no feedback from anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, And so the point guard position is absolutely critical.
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  Speaker 1: And you saw in the playoffs how Jalen Brunson was
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  Speaker 1: able to watch get everybody involved but still watch score
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  Speaker 1: the ball. And then when they played Alvarado off the
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  Speaker 1: bench as this six foot undrafted guy, that made even
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  Speaker 1: more dramatic for Jalen Brunson to make the shots less.
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  Speaker 1: Fast forwarding the San Antonio Spurs against who you play against,
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  Speaker 1: where Stefan Castle is a point guard who's rugged and
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  Speaker 1: he was able to get everybody involved in the offense
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  Speaker 1: and not sacrifice his own ability to score. And the
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  Speaker 1: darn Fox who's the starting point guard he played off
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  Speaker 1: the ball, meaning Stefan he took out Fox than Stefan
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  Speaker 1: Castle would was it. That's very similar to Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: So if you like Stephan Castle, visualize Darren Peterson. That's
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  Speaker 1: who he plays like with the same sort of body.
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  Speaker 1: But but Darren Peace can shoot even better than Stephan Castle,
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  Speaker 1: Castle Moore of a mid range which is tremendous mid
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  Speaker 1: range rugged take a hit. Darren Peterson can do that.
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  Speaker 1: But his jump shot is smooth showing it's velvet.
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  Speaker 3: We saw like if you watched his high school highlight tape,
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  Speaker 3: there's a ton of Darren Peterson just exploding to the basket,
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  Speaker 3: being the dominant athlete, dunking on people. That was certainly
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  Speaker 3: part of his game at Kansas. You and I have
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  Speaker 3: talked about and he's still a young player. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a young player for the next like eight years.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not the time to necessarily say, oh, you
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  Speaker 3: have to adjust your style of play in order to
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  Speaker 3: increase longevity in this league. You've got the body type
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  Speaker 3: or you could probably sustain that a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 3: But for what the j guys want to do stylistically
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  Speaker 3: and tactically, how much of a governorship. Do you have
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  Speaker 3: to put on his attacking instinct to the basket or instead,
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  Speaker 3: do you cultivate that and say absolutely, go get yourself
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  Speaker 3: to the free through line. Go and you know, take
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  Speaker 3: on those shot blockers. Let's see what you got kid.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have to alter that natural tendency of his
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  Speaker 3: at all?
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. The answer is you would not.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to harness him. But you want to
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  Speaker 1: do is though they try to show on take be
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  Speaker 1: in attack mode, strike to the basket in the lane,
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  Speaker 1: but don't do it early in the shot clock. All
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  Speaker 1: the time. Execute offense. In other words, move the ball,
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  Speaker 1: pass the ball, screen, cut, et cetera. To be involved
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  Speaker 1: in the offense, and then we have ultra talent. Then
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  Speaker 1: you able to strike off the dribble within the flow
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  Speaker 1: of the offense. The only exception would be if the
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  Speaker 1: guy guarding you is absolutely in no stance, he's upright,
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  Speaker 1: take him off the dribble and then create for someone
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  Speaker 1: else on an early shot clock. But we're assuming though
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  Speaker 1: the defense is relatively strong, they're gonna make you counter that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why ball movement, player movement, the ball skipping
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  Speaker 1: around the floor and then when you get the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Like any sport, whenever the ball comes to you in space,
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  Speaker 1: that's a great way to go a solo act to
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  Speaker 1: show your talent and ball skills, and that's learning how
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  Speaker 1: to play with the ball without the ball. I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: this guy has that talent. And the Jazz have a
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  Speaker 1: good team. You know, the Jazz are serious about winning.
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  Speaker 1: Jazs have good players, and so now it's we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: see what the Jazz what they really can do. Here's
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  Speaker 1: a less point about that. Oh, by the way, you've
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  Speaker 1: got to play defense as a unit. So the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: are going no place even though they're talented roster until
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  Speaker 1: they commit the playing defense. Not some of the time,
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  Speaker 1: but please most of the time. And now we'll see,
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  Speaker 1: Sean if they can do that.
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  Speaker 3: Already we're seeing, you know, kind of the draft grades
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  Speaker 3: and and people starting to wake up to the national
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  Speaker 3: media and people that aren't typically paying a ton of
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  Speaker 3: attention to basketball in Salt Lake City, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are now starting to kind of like prepare themselves
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  Speaker 3: to climb back on this bandwagon. Like big time media
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  Speaker 3: names are starting to point out, hey, you know what
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  Speaker 3: the Jazz are like a sneaky good team.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, look at this roster. We've been talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: We've been projecting what it would look like if you
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  Speaker 3: would cover in the NBA as a whole. You probably
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  Speaker 3: started paying attention to the Utah Jazz a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and you've been keeping one eye on the Ace Bailey situation.
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  Speaker 3: But now people are really waking up to the idea
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  Speaker 3: that this Jazz roster is something you can have expectations
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  Speaker 3: of inside the locker room, Gordy, inside the building. What
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  Speaker 3: does that do for the coaches and the players? How
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  Speaker 3: does it change things for them when now they have
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  Speaker 3: high expectations for themselves. But the rest of the world
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  Speaker 3: is finally starting to pay attention and say, oh, you
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  Speaker 3: know what we have of you now?
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  Speaker 1: Also, yes, So now it heightens the accountability and the
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  Speaker 1: accountability within your The biggest accountability is peer pressure within
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  Speaker 1: your own teammates and floormates and workmates. And so now
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  Speaker 1: if you're really a leader of a team, that's when
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  Speaker 1: you really have to understand that we're in this together
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  Speaker 1: and that if we sacrifice just slightly a part of
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  Speaker 1: our game, but collectively defensively we dig in, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to share in the accolades of one and Jazz, But realistically,
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  Speaker 1: at the Jazz next year, went between forty two the
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  Speaker 1: forty six games, and try to knock on Heaven's door
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  Speaker 1: for a playoff bid, whether it's the fifth, sixth, seventh,
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  Speaker 1: eighth seed in the West, and then see all plays out.
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  Speaker 1: That's realistic, the Jazz winning forty The Jazz really should
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  Speaker 1: have a winning season next year. That's that's the low
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  Speaker 1: bar showing. But they have talent and so we'll see
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  Speaker 1: it all plays out. But it starts and ends on
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  Speaker 1: defense and with it's a peer pressure of the group.
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  Speaker 1: That here's the question though, as always, who is the
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  Speaker 1: jazz leader? So Larry Markin is a tremendous talent in
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  Speaker 1: his prime, he's quiet. Jaron Jackson just got here last year.
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  Speaker 1: He only played three games. Walker Kessler is relatively a
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  Speaker 1: quiet person, relatively speaking. Ace Bailey turns twenty in August,
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  Speaker 1: and so and Darren Peterson is now nineteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't played a game yet. So the leader should be
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  Speaker 1: Keyante George should be And that's the question right now.
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  Speaker 1: So now suddenly the excell and Conte George as a
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  Speaker 1: fourth year player him to now lead this group right
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  Speaker 1: now with Isaiah Kallia as the backup point guard, as
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  Speaker 1: a as another voice in the locker room. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it gets interesting.
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  Speaker 3: We've got Gordy for the next forty five minutes or so.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break here. When we come back,
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  Speaker 3: there's trade still happening around the NBA. Should the Jazz
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  Speaker 3: get involved in any of these trade discussions. We've got
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  Speaker 3: our NBA guru.
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  Speaker 2: We're rolling.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome man, Gordy Chiza.
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  Speaker 3: NBA trade talks continue around the league. Big blockbuster happened
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  Speaker 3: yesterday as the second round is unfolding, LaMelo Ball leaving
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  Speaker 3: Charlotte headed to Minnesota. Obviously, Giannis is going to Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Just a lot of strange things going on, and the
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  Speaker 3: Celtics reportedly still shopping Jalen Brown Foreigner Finals, former Finals MVP.
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  Speaker 2: Gordie Chaza.
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  Speaker 3: Should the Jazz throw their their name in with any
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  Speaker 3: of these big time trades that are happening, that are
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  Speaker 3: they already executed a very significant trade less than a
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  Speaker 3: year ago now, Jared Jackson junior, former Defensive Player of
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  Speaker 3: the Year coming to Salt Lake City. That was that
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  Speaker 3: was a big trade, and it felt like there was
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  Speaker 3: a vision behind it. Now you've got if things pencil
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  Speaker 3: out the way they think they will, you have this
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  Speaker 3: three towers, this big, big front court, right. I think
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  Speaker 3: that makes sense when you're playing against San Antonio, when
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  Speaker 3: you're playing against Denver, when you're playing against Minnesota, when
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  Speaker 3: you're playing against Oklahoma City. But should the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 3: themselves involved with any of these other trade talks?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, your answers very much so, Jones, alluding to
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  Speaker 1: about possibly Jail and Brown. Jalen Brown is a tremendous
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  Speaker 1: talent in the prime of his career. He can score
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  Speaker 1: twenty six points a game, defend, rebound, pass the ball,
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  Speaker 1: get his teammates involved, and he's a very intelligent person.
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  Speaker 1: So he's in his prime right now, all right, selt
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  Speaker 1: to trying to move him on Jason Tatum is still there.
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  Speaker 1: They like their team, the Celtics that injured last year.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're shopping around. If you're the Jazz. Remember now,
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  Speaker 1: Danny Ains drafted him and so that's a factor right now.
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  Speaker 1: And Austin Ange work with him for many years, so
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  Speaker 1: they know his personality, they know his family, they know
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  Speaker 1: his people, and it's all part of somewhat the equation
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  Speaker 1: as far as the total picture, as far as if
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  Speaker 1: you pursue somebody or not. So the question is if
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  Speaker 1: he did, who would the JS possibly, Again, we're just
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  Speaker 1: speculating positive give up would have to be Larry marketing,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first thing. And maybe a signing trade with
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  Speaker 1: Walker Kessler to go to the Celtics because the Celtics
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  Speaker 1: do need a big man and that so that's possibly
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  Speaker 1: could happen. Even though the drafted a young guy named
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  Speaker 1: Chris Cernak from Houston to twenty seven pick of the draft.
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  Speaker 1: He's not ready, but he's a good, promising young talent.
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  Speaker 1: So it'll be something like that. And every team is
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  Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing as far as what would
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  Speaker 1: they offer if Jeleen Brown is really truly available, what
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  Speaker 1: they offer, So everyone's going through the same exercise of
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  Speaker 1: what would happen. Maybe also certainly it was only one
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  Speaker 1: guy minimum Jail and Brown would would would justify giving
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  Speaker 1: away three free future first round draft picks. They would
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  Speaker 1: if Rudy got five first round picks, if Rudy Gobert,
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown's worth three right now plus plus really an
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  Speaker 1: accomplished player. So we'll see, it's all speculative. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the beauty of the quote. The off season, the off
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  Speaker 1: season and the NBA is absolutely the highly of it
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  Speaker 1: is right now between the draft and now free agency
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  Speaker 1: and now which starts which starts again July first for
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  Speaker 1: all the teams. But you can be signed your own
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  Speaker 1: free agent right now. So you can see some players
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  Speaker 1: that are signing contracts because it's there, it's their parent
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  Speaker 1: team that's uh, what's uh they're talking to and signing it.
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  Speaker 1: Most times it ends showing the calendar usually the first
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  Speaker 1: week of August, because that's when Shawn a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the players that were maybe off the bench, guys haven't
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  Speaker 1: gotten not gotten guaranteed money yet have to go overseas
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  Speaker 1: or stay home. August second, August third, August fourth is
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  Speaker 1: that first week of August that's when it stops. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: so next five weeks Seawan buckle up.
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  Speaker 3: Could the Utah Jazz execute any kind of meaningful trade
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  Speaker 3: bring in anyone? I mean, Jalen Brown is this white
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  Speaker 3: whale of I mean, that's a that's a big get.
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  Speaker 3: He's still on the right side of thirty, although he's
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  Speaker 3: going to be three pretty soon. He obviously has the credentials,
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  Speaker 3: he has championship experience, all these things, right, But is
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  Speaker 3: there a way that you can acquire somebody like that
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  Speaker 3: without completely altering.
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  Speaker 2: The plan that has been in place for however long?
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  Speaker 3: Is there a way you can execute that trade with
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  Speaker 3: Boston as the Angels and.
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  Speaker 2: Still get a favorable deal because they're gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Be like, we know how you guys operate, Danny, You're
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  Speaker 3: not gonna fleece us here. I mean, is is there
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  Speaker 3: a way you could realistically make something like that happen
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  Speaker 3: without upsetting the apple cart that you have somewhat meticulously built.
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  Speaker 1: Unlikely? Yes, unlikely? So then you're just you're describing there
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  Speaker 1: the foundation is being set and now slightly fast tracking.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm the Jazz, I would consider jailing Brown because
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  Speaker 1: he's what the Jazz need is a absolutely a player
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  Speaker 1: that can get an a playoff type game in the future.
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  Speaker 1: He can get twenty seven in the playoff game and
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  Speaker 1: hold the other teams start. In other words, he could
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  Speaker 1: guard in a playoff game. He would slow down Anthony Edwards.
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  Speaker 1: See again, it's who you play against, especially in the
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  Speaker 1: Jazz go forward in playoff basketball. That is the goal
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  Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs and then try to attempt
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  Speaker 1: to win each year, win around and keep going past that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what it comes down to. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to keep the slow growth model or do you want
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  Speaker 1: to slightly accelerat it knowing that the young players are
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  Speaker 1: going to play and these young guys have talent. So
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz have a good dilemma and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other teams also, Again, every team thinks the same way.
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  Speaker 1: They might articulate it and messaging differently, but everyone right
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  Speaker 1: now is looking at how they can improve their roster
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  Speaker 1: with giving away minimum assets. And if we have to
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  Speaker 1: give away certain players, has to affect our salary cap,
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  Speaker 1: our first apron as far as taxes, and worse than that,
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  Speaker 1: our second apron. So again, you know expression showing you've
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  Speaker 1: got to get banged for your buck. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: it comes down to so much as how you value players.
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  Speaker 1: For example, Sean Julius Champenni, this guy for the Spurs,
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  Speaker 1: was making rainbow jump shots, is playing in the NBA Finals,
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  Speaker 1: undrafted four years ago. Makes he makes this shit next
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  Speaker 1: year coming up his contract, he makes three million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Sean three million dollars for a guy in a playoffs
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  Speaker 1: where you could justify paying him sean fifteen million. You
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  Speaker 1: could mobile exception. Okay, you want to go more, all right, great,
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  Speaker 1: you could, you could. And that's why the Spurs type teams,
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  Speaker 1: that's why they are good, because they identify these guys
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  Speaker 1: that are vastly undervalued. Remember, the more you win, the
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  Speaker 1: more you pay. And that's we have to get these
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  Speaker 1: guys that are absolutely have games but undervalued. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the scouting to personnel people. They they earn their salaries
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: when they get these guys and they determine, let's sign
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's a perfect fit for our unit.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Gordia Jays is here with us for another half hour
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: or so. We'll try to stay on clock. Taking a
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: break right now, we'll evaluate some of the trades that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: have already happened. We'll look at some of these second
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: round picks, some local flavor sprinkled in there. It's the
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show with Gordya Chias on ESPN seven ninety
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: twefmama as you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: for the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: ninety two to one a half.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Am, all right, we got Gordia jays for another twenty
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: something minutes here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: He's got a list.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: For us, but man, he's got my gears at churn
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: in here. The Celtics are actively shopping Jalen Brown, champion,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: former Finals MVP Elite Guard. You could probably get him.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: The Ages know the Celtics. The Celtics know the Ages.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I actually let me ask you this, Gordy. Because of
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the intimate knowledge that those two parties have with one of.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Them, does it make the deal easier to execute or
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: more difficult to execute?
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Because the Celtics know how savvy and good and how
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Age usually wins these trades. So are they are they
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: gun shy making a trade with him? Feeling like, oh,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: he's getting one over on us.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: No Yers, No, they're they're they know each other very
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: well and it's gonna be equal footing. Okay, Stevens is
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: very talented. General Magic done a great job also replacing
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a former coach. Have you placed any age with the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Celtics again, it just makes sense. Again do we just
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: speculating what happens as far as that? So, Walker Kessie
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Bestricken free agent. The Jazz offered him for the listeners.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: They offered him the largest contract ever in the history
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of the NBA for a non All Star center, a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: non All Star center. They offered him four years at
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: twenty eight point five million dollars average. That's more than
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: absolutely fair from the Jazz point of view. And Walker
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: keslo which he's the rules, he can sign it right
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: now or he can wait and he's a free restricted.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Teams could bid on him on July first. The Jazz
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: have forty eight hours. Once they receive the actual bid
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: from that other team, they are forty eight hours to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: execute whether to say yes or no. If they say yes,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we want him on our team the Jazz, then the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Jazz can right away pivot and to sign and trade
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: with another team. You have to first accept the terms,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: meaning the Jazz we want him on our team, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: then signing trade.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's say that the Celtics want Walker Kessler anyway
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and they're willing to offer him, they they'll tender him
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: an offer sheet because they're losing Bussevich right car center
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: free agent. So you say, all right, you know we're
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: going to price the Utah Jazz out of Walker Kessler.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think they can do so quite so wee
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: sleep because right now they've got Jalen Brown and they've
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: got Jason Tatum on the books. That doesn't feel like
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: a real mechanism for the Boston Celtics to get Walker Kessler.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: So in that case, a sign and trade with Jalen
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Brown coming back and his number coming off the Celtics
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: books would make more sense, even from the Boston side
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: of things.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, So we'll see again. Is there all discussions you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you know, expression is showing in the war room. Yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the war room. In the war room is this place
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: where everybody goes into the as far as the personnel
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: people in the off season. And even though it's sunny
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake City, it's beautiful ninety seven degrees
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: makes you make sure you have your Sungliz in it
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: right now in the warroom's showing it's always cloudy. The
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: war room is always cloudy, showing the windows are closed.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's like this situational room where everybody's talking about every scenario.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Everyone's on the phone and from the personnel side, that's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: seeing what actually could happen that, who's available, who's not
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: being truthful? Are you being truthful? Remember, everyone's trying to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: get the best deal for them to give away the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: least assets. That's perfectly normal in every business. We like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to do any transaction by the way. You win and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: we win. That's perfect scenario. And speaking of winning, Sean
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is the question with the Tea Wolves and the Hornets yesterday?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Was that big trade where the Tea Wolves, who went
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to the conference finals two straight years until this year,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they made a generational trade for LaMelo Ball, who turns
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: twenty five this August twenty second, to go to the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Tea Wolves, leaving the Charlotte Hornets, and Josh Green, a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: two guard wing who's actually underrated defensive player to go
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Tea Wolves. And the Tea Wolves trade
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to the Hornets, nos Reed, who's a stretch, a stretched
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: big man, who's got value, who can make open threes,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: plus a two thousand and thirty three unprotected first round pick,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and also three first round pick swaps and also three
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: second round picks. So Sean, getting back to our discussion
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: about Gellan Brown, your your eyeballs are popping out. Where
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: three first round picks? This is nos Reed, this is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: LaMelo ball. Yeah see it's again. It's remember Rudy Gobert
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: when the Chants traded him, the Jazz got back five
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: first round picks. Now they didn't use all of them,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: but they got back for Rudy. So this is how.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: This is how the NBA works. Also in two thousand
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and thirty three, showing it might be eight different different
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: changes in the draft system. By then, remember this, this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: new draft is already going to be one that's exactly right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So there's a two year window as far as the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: draft situation, as far as the rules they could, they're
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: gonna reassess it. We re evaluate in twenty twenty nine. Sure,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and this thing is twenty thirty three. I'll protect their
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: first round pick at the that the that the Hornets acquired,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So this is how crazy it's long term out now quickly,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: as far as what happened with the t Wolves. Now,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the starting lineup should be Jazz play against the Wolves
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in the exact same division right now, LaMelo Ball at one,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards at two, All Star at small forward should
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: be Josh Green is a starter. They move over j
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: McDaniels as a stretch for Remember now that in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: last week or so the two tables have traded Julius
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Randall and Nas Reed in the exact same week, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the starting center should be obviously Rudy Gobert. So and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: then remember now.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: They're trying to go a little smaller. Yeah, it's smaller.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Remember Dante di Vitendo, who's a very good player, he's
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: out until next April with the torn achille. He's out.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: He's absolutely out. He will now play all of next season.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So by getting LaMelo Ball, they got it. Absolutely. They
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: got someone that can step in and be a start,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you know, all star potential. He's an Alstar radio. In fact,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: he's an All Star. But they will help to play
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: with Anthony Edwards in lockstep. All right, they draft te
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Wolves just as quickly they drafted Joshua Jefferson at twenty eight.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: He's really a good all around player, so he'll come
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: in the game off the bench and give them like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a a playmaker as a small forward. And they also
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: drafted Isaiah Evans Sean who should have been a first
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: round pick. Everyone that had him in between twenty and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five. He drops the thirty three. He gives him
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: a two guard that can shoot. So the t Wolves
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: they've gotten better. They've gotten better by doing this. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: if you're the Hornets, you're the Hornets. LaMelo Ball sometimes
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: he has a three o'clock in the morning problem. As
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: far as driving, Yeah, he's a problem.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Al right, Beads. He likes to go too fast than
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: his fans. Stars.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: The t Wolves are saying indirectly, well, on our team,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: he'll mature more and that we'll we'll we'll do a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: better job of getting him as far as in the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: straight and path.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: How do you like the idea of LaMelo Ball and
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards on the court at the same time, Both
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: guys who are going to want the ball, want to
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: take the last shot, want to have the opportunity on
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the inbound play with four seconds left.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: How do you manage that you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Do because LaMelo ball, even though he averaged twenty points
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a game, he knows coming and now that Anthony Edwards
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: is the guy at Charlotte, he was the guy. Yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: so there'll be a slight adjustment. But he also averaged
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: seven point one assist and so in his development and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: again mention he's only twenty five years old this August,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: he should make a slight adjustment mentally where where he's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: he is a close number two to number one, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that we both fell short in the playoffs so far,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and that if we get this right, we can do
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of serious things in the West. That's gonna
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: be the narrative and will it work out. My instincts
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: tell me it's gonna work out. Also, a Rod is
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: there as the owner. So if the a Rod being
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a professional athlete all his life, he has enough juice
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and mentality via baseball or not to get these guys
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice slightly as a catch where it's slight either
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: game for the betterment of all. Also, last point, Chris
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Finch is white, tremendous coach, vastly underrated Chris Finch, So
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it does make sense.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Do you like the other moves that you've seen around.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: The NBA that the splash headline, of course is LaMelo ball.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: In that Minnesota tray, you've got some guys resigning. Al
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Horford is going back to the Warriors. Man twenty seasons
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: in the NBA for Al Horford and still kind of
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a hanging question about whether or not the Warriors are
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: going to try to do anything significant, anything special, try
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: to get I don't know, Lebron James on some kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: of mid level exception, take a discount to chase a championship.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But Horford, at age forty, is coming back on a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: two year, fourteen million dollar contract.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, seven and seven. It makes sense. Really, Al Hope
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is really one. He's a good guy and he can
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: still play some if not start off the bench. And
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: so at seven million dollars a year for the next
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: two years, is that he'll he'll he'll contribute to the Warriors.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Lebron going to Warriors or probably considering it, it does
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: make sense for them.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Can I try to stump you with a trivia question?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: How many NBA players have played twenty seasons?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we see off the top of my
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: head there would be Vince caught it is the most Yes,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Robert Parrish, Yeah, Kareem Abduja bah yeah, your Donnas Haslin, yes, okay,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: all right, your Donnas.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: By the way, I totally put Gordie on the spot
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: with this, so he's already just rattling off the list
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: without any kind of pre preparation here.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So you're you're four for four so far.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, twenty years in the NBA. All right, it would
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: be uh dork New Whiskey, Yes, okay, that's five, all right,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Uh Kobe Bryant, Yeah, okay, six, this is incredible, all right, six?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: How many's left?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: There's he Will Horford will be the thirteenth.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Overall thirteenth.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you got you got six more names?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, Kevin Willis, Yes, Kevin Willis, you're getting the guys
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: that nobody else is gonna get.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give me, give me a hint.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Oh, Lebron James, Lebron James the obvious, Yeah, all right,
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: with Kobe twice, Kevin Garnett is one.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kevin Gonette's puny. Okay, excuse me, you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Got almost all of them.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So it's Lebron James, Vince Carter, Chris Paul dark Novinsky,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Kevin Garnett, Kevin Willis, Robert Parrish, Kyle Lowry is one
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I definitely.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Would not have gotten.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Actually I coached Kyle.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: You got you, Donnas Haslam, Jamal Crawford, Kobe Bryant, Kareem
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Abdul Jabbar.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Absolute and all those guys. Where they have in common
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: besides talent that basically they kept themselves in shape, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the big guys ended their career, they showed value as
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: far as just being almost like a defensive type player.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So the Robert Parrish, those guys type. When he was younger,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he was a scoring force. Kevin Willis the same thing also,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So the bigger you are, the more years you get
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: as far as adjusting your game. So thirteen guys in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the NBA and now Al Horford, the big guys, all
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: those guys played the game on the floor. They're all
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we call them grounded players versus why go airborne? The
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: more times you go airborne in the game, like it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: including when Kobe Bryant made that adjustment. So the Michael Jordan,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: if you keep going airborne all the time, there's so
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: many hits in your body up in the air, you're
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: going to crash to the floor and the chances of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: getting hurt are dramatically higher. And the adjusting you make
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you still go airborne, but not as much to keep
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: yourself as far as what be able to hang in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: there all those years. So Kyle Lowry played for the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: seventy six is. He had won a championship with the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: They tried to wrap this back in twenty nineteen. We
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: had him in Memphis when he was a second year
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: player now director of pro Personnel. We had him there
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: with a young Mike Conley rookie season also, and so
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: good for those guys. So al Hoffen with the Warriors, excellent.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go, let's go showing with the Lakers stuff.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I want to I just want to to jump on
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: what Gordy's saying here with the elevation and the we
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: don't give the NBA enough credit for how difficult it
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: is to maintain longevity in the NBA. I just looked
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: up how many players in the NHL have played twenty
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: or more seasons. Remember the number for the NBA is
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: thirteen total players have made it twenty seasons or more
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: in the NBA, the NHL, long season, incredibly physical. Seventy
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: three NHL players have played twenty or more seasons. Chelley Elson,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Gordy Hall played twenty six seasons each. That's ridiculous. And
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, but hockey guys are hockey guys.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: They're crazy, right. What about Major League Baseball? Well, major
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: League Baseball even longer season, a lot less physical, Let's
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: be honest. One hundred and seventy three Major League Baseball
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: players have made it twenty or more seasons. And then
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: the NFL, the one that we always considered to be
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the most strenuous, the most difficult physically, whether that's true
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: or not, we don't really have a good perspective on
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: how many guys have played more than twenty seasons in
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the NFL.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: James, do you think it's higher or lower than the NBA?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I ain't lower, Gordy, do you think it's higher lower
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: than the NBA?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Higher?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: More players though, so that could be rehired.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Twenty three NFL guys have gone twenty seasons or more
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: so longevity in the NBA by these numbers, and yes,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the rosters are smaller, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, longevity
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: in the NBA harder than any other Big four professional league.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Just thought i'd punt that out. No, I'm I'm glad
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you did.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That shows you the ability to mentally stay shop and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: want to compete, but also your body. You're able to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: train your body and adjust, adjust everything as far as
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you're eating, habits and sleep as far as getting a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: proper sleep, but also understanding your role. And you're almost
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: like an assistant coach somebody or as you get older.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: You're forty years old, like Alhofer right now is a quase.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: He can still play the game, but he's a quase
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: almost like a coach in the locker room. And now
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Jiadonis HASLM his last three four years with the Mammy
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Heat even though he's listed that. And that's Kyle Ly
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: also with the seventy six this year. He hardly played
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in the game, but he played in practice to help
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the guys out. So it's hard to do. Remember John
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Stockton and Call alone here in Utah. John played nineteen years,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: still top of his game at age forty one, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: call played here in Utah eighteen years and one year
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: with the Lakers, and Carl was still at the top
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of his game. Those guys could have played even longer,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: but they made a decision to move on. Moving on. Also,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: LA Lakers now they have an interesting They just signed
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: undrafted five years ago Austin Reeves to a new contract
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: four years, one hundred and eighty five million dollars. Let's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: just think about Austin Reeves saga, undrafted, plays in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: G League, gets a two way contract, and then five
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: years later he's now making one hundred and eighty five
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: million total for next four years. It comes to next
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: year he makes forty one point three million, twenty seven,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, forty four point six million, twenty eight, twenty nine,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: forty seven point nine million, and sean twenty nine thirty
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: he makes fifty two point two million dollars. Five years ago,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: people thought, is it Austin Reeves or Superman Steve Reeves?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Can you can you imagine, I mean, being a G
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: League player right now and seeing this. You're at the
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: end of your rope, You're riding buses, you're flying commercial
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: if you're lucky, and you're just like, I don't think
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I can do this anymore. Two way contracts ten days.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: This is torture on me. And my family, and then
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: you see a guy that was in your shoes five
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: years ago sign a contract like this.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that'll keep you going.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Oh very much, And that's a great incentive for players
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that you've got to be able to your mental focus
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: is so important. Yeah, yes, you have skills, Yes, your
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: your body's really uh sleek as far as your your
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  Speaker 1: your fast muscles, et cetera. But the biggest part also
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  Speaker 1: is the mental frame how you're able to come to
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  Speaker 1: fortitude that you need to be successful where there's no
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  Speaker 1: insurance for your showing. When you're injured and you're doing rehab,
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  Speaker 1: you're with some people that are helping you, but when
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  Speaker 1: you go home that night or back to your condo
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  Speaker 1: or apartment, there's very few people there. It's just you
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  Speaker 1: and your and your mind. And you've got to be
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  Speaker 1: able to understand that you got to drive through this,
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  Speaker 1: through all the ups and downs, and then when you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: do get paid, you really do appreciate it. That's what
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  Speaker 1: makes also reach type stories also Sewan that was Freddie
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  Speaker 1: van Fleet for years ago, also exact same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So what happens, Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 1: My list today is about the draft. All right, this
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  Speaker 1: is the best NBA draft classes in history. I need
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  Speaker 1: listed three, just three. It's the criteria, the best NBA
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  Speaker 1: draft classes in history, producing multiple Hall of Famers, MVPs,
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  Speaker 1: and franchise cornerstones. So hey, every draft is great, Yes
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  Speaker 1: it is, Okay, I agree, it's great. Okay, but there's
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  Speaker 1: some better than others. I just cut it off at three.
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  Speaker 1: The two thousand and three drafts was incredible. There's four
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  Speaker 1: Hall of famers in that draft. One is still playing.
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  Speaker 1: That Sean mentioned to me. Lebron James Lebron was the
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  Speaker 1: first pick of the draft. He won four titles so far. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's heading to the Hall of Fame to retires. The
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  Speaker 1: number three pick in the draft was Kamelo Anthony, ten
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  Speaker 1: time All Star, Hall of Famer. Number four in the
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  Speaker 1: draft was Chris Bosh Hall of Famer, two NBA titles.
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  Speaker 1: The fifth pick of the draft was Rene Wide three
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  Speaker 1: NBA titles. That's the two thousand and three The nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six draft Hall of famers there was five. This
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  Speaker 1: is also incredible. Number one Allan Iverson, first pick of
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  Speaker 1: the draft, one league MVP. Number five Ray Allen Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Famer two NBA titles, the second greatest shooter of
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  Speaker 1: all time behind Steph. The third in the draft was
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant at number thirteen, showing thirteen Kobe Bryant five
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  Speaker 1: NBA titles, Number fifteen in the draft Steve Nash that year,
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  Speaker 1: two league MVPs and his the fifth Hall of Famers.
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  Speaker 1: Sean wasn't even drafted. The only player in the history
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  Speaker 1: of basketball not to be drafted to go to Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. You know his name, Ben Wallace. One NBA
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  Speaker 1: title two thousand and four, four time Defensive Player of
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  Speaker 1: the Year, Sean. He wasn't invited to the draft party
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  Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety six. That's five Hall of Famers.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the most impressive things ever in the
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  Speaker 3: NBA to not be drafted and to make it into
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, because there's this confirmation bias with
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame voting.
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  Speaker 2: Right, we've known you were great.
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  Speaker 3: You really have to prove everybody wrong through the course
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  Speaker 3: of a whole career.
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  Speaker 1: Good for Ben Wallace. Wow, and he's the last one.
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  Speaker 1: This is the greatest class of all time as far
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  Speaker 1: as this nineteen eighty four four Hall of Famers and yikes,
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  Speaker 1: these guys are When I say franchise cornerstones, I'm understating it.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan number three that year, six NBA titles. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to say the world's greatest player of all time?
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  Speaker 1: With Lebron close second. Hakim olajuwon and that year was
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  Speaker 1: the first pick of the draft. Two NBA titles. Charles
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  Speaker 1: Balkley was the fifth player that year picked one league
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  Speaker 1: MVP generational Talent, and Sean locally here John stocked in
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  Speaker 1: at number sixteen and that draft all time leaders and
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  Speaker 1: assist and steals. So I'm saying in nineteen eighty four
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  Speaker 1: draft was the greatest draft of all time, as far
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  Speaker 1: as four once in a lifetime players, including the guy
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  Speaker 1: that you we consider the greatest player of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Thus that's my list of today Hall of famers.
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  Speaker 2: The greatest draft classes ever.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But we're saying, Sean, your Dan radio, you and
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  Speaker 1: I were talking about exactly right. That's why I did
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  Speaker 1: this for Sean, that this draft in twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: everybody's saying it could be generational, and it does involve
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz meaning Darren Peterson. We're gonna see very
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  Speaker 1: shortly the next ten to fifteen years.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, by the way, because we think this is gonna
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: be a momentous draft for the Utah Jazz in getting
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: We have a request to make of views. This's all right,
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  Speaker 2: We want.
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  Speaker 3: A copy of your draft night Notes on Darren Peterson
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  Speaker 3: so we can hang it in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, is that all right? Sure? Great, there, James, I
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  Speaker 2: made the request.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: We're gonna frame it, We're gonna put it up there,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: and ten years from now we're gonna be like, look
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: at the genius of Gordya Chaza, or we're gonna be
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: like Gordy didn't know what he was talking about.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: That's often, that's often about me. But I do know
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: one thing though, is that Darren Peason does have talent.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty. Remember the NBA, the NFL. You
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: could be a great character person, which is commendable, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, it's a talent league. That talent does bevail.
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  Speaker 1: That the way to win a championship is talent that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: plays as a unit equals chemistry and that separates everything.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And that's made Nikobocher's so unique. That the chemistry was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: perfect because the main guy. See, the NIXT didn't win
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  Speaker 1: a championship until Carl Anthony Towns mentally said to himself
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: or out loud, that Jalen brunts and number one, I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: number two. That's when they wanted Sean. So interesting Sean
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL? All right, who was Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 1: that was undrafted? Anybody?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So the NFL. Yeah, there's actually several. Kurt Warner,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Kurt Warners one. Yeah, Warren Moon was undrafted. I like it. Okay, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a bunch.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Warren Moon quarterback, the old the older era.
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  Speaker 3: There's a couple of guys because the draft was a
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: little bit Sam Mills, remember Sam Mills absolutely got a
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: statue of Sam Mills outside of that Carolina State Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Mills is in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: There's some more. I don't know all of them, but
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  Speaker 2: I know those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Let you imagine, like being not being undrafted, make the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: NBA or the NFL. You play unbelievable as far as
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: uh with your franchise, and then suddenly years later you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: become a Hall of Fame inductee. How special is that
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: as far as yourself and your family? And also for
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the franchise that gave you a chance to play, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: also all the coaches that helped you as far as
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: develop your craft, and all your teammates that also assitted
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you to be the best player that you could possibly believe.
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  Speaker 1: That's really so refreshing about it.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Antonio Gates undrafted.
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  Speaker 1: Also from a basketball player. Yes, well, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a mammy of a higo, remember right, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Kent State, Kent State. Excuse me, oh, Kent State.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a higher party.
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  Speaker 2: You know, his maction. They're in the mac.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Mac.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chieza, our resident NBA guru, is brought to
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  Speaker 2: Gordy, you're the man. Thank you so much, you and
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: peace out and also happy fourth of July. I won't
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: see you before then, I don't think