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- 0:04Jen Oliver: Welcome to the, so that's Why podcast, where we unpack the
- 0:07science behind everyday questions.
- 0:09I'm Jen.
- 0:10Chris Smith: I'm Chris.
- 0:11Jamie Eynon: And I'm Jamie.
- 0:12Stepping in front of the camera for the first time.
- 0:15Uh, though I've been behind the scenes of Vegetology for a long time, um,
- 0:18honestly, I've been listening to these episodes thinking I have questions too.
- 0:22So here I am.
- 0:24Jen Oliver: For anyone wondering, Jamie and Chris go way back.
- 0:27They started Vegetology together.
- 0:29So Chris, you've finally convinced him to join us.
- 0:32Does that mean Matt has taken early retirements?
- 0:34Chris Smith: No.
- 0:35So he's not getting away that easily.
- 0:36So Matt's just sitting this one out and as Jamie's here and has been hearing us talk
- 0:40about this stuff for months, we thought he's about time he joined in properly.
- 0:43So everyone can enjoy those dul sit tones.
- 0:45Jamie Eynon: I'm just hoping I can keep up with YouTube.
- 0:47Jen Oliver: I have every confidence in you, Jamie.
- 0:50Okay, so today's question is one that might hit close to home for a
- 0:54lot of you, why do we get hangry?
- 0:57You know that feeling you've missed lunch and you're stuck in a meeting
- 1:01that's running over and suddenly your colleagues perfectly reasonable
- 1:06suggestion makes you wanna flip the table?
- 1:08Jamie Eynon: Oh, I know this one Well, it's that moment when someone
- 1:11asks, where do you want to eat?
- 1:13And instead of answering like a normal person, you just glare at them as
- 1:16if you've been personally offended.
- 1:17Jen Oliver: Yes, exactly.
- 1:19But did you know that the word hangry hungry plus angry only entered the
- 1:26Oxford English dictionary in 2018?
- 1:28But I think we can all agree that.
- 1:31You know, this experience is as old as time.
- 1:33Most people just dismiss it as being dramatic or lacking willpower.
- 1:38But there's serious science behind this, Chris, isn't there?
- 1:40Chris Smith: Yeah, there really is.
- 1:41Um, what's happening when you get hangry involves a chain reaction of hormones,
- 1:45brain chemicals, and even changes to how well you can control your own emotions.
- 1:50Your body is essentially sounding an alarm and your brain is scrambling to respond.
- 1:54Jen Oliver: And by the end of this episode, you'll understand how a dip
- 1:57in blood sugar hijacks your mood.
- 2:00Why a specific brain chemical links hunger directly to aggression and why
- 2:05some people seem immune while for others.
- 2:07Well, the struggle is real.
- 2:10Jamie Eynon: Plus we'll settle The question of whether, sorry I was just
- 2:12hungry, is a legitimate excuse or not
- 2:16Chris Smith: so.
- 2:17Before we get into the mechanisms, let's look at how big a deal this actually
- 2:20is, because a really interesting study was the first to track hangar
- 2:24in people's real everyday lives, not just in a lab over a 21 day period.
- 2:2964 participants recorded their hunger levels and emotions five
- 2:32times a day using a smartphone app.
- 2:34Jen Oliver: Mean, well done to them.
- 2:35That would make me angry.
- 2:36Just tracking that on an app.
- 2:38But you know, the results were striking of that study.
- 2:40Hunger accounted for 37% of the variation in people's irritability and 34% of
- 2:46the variation in their anger levels.
- 2:49And those effects held up even after accounting for age sex,
- 2:52BMI and personality traits.
- 2:55So this wasn't just about some people.
- 2:58Being naturally moody.
- 2:59Jamie Eynon: Wow.
- 3:00So more than a third of the time, someone's being irritable.
- 3:03They might just need a sandwich.
- 3:05That reframes a lot of workplace disagreements.
- 3:07Jen Oliver: It really does.
- 3:08And think about it, replying to a difficult email, having a conversation
- 3:12with your partner about, say, finances, navigating rush hour traffic.
- 3:17If your emotional regulation is compromised by something as simple
- 3:20as not eating, those interactions can go sideways pretty quickly.
- 3:25Jamie Eynon: I've definitely sent emails at 1:00 PM on an empty
- 3:27stomach that I would never have sent.
- 3:29At one 30 after lunch.
- 3:31The difference between a professional response and a
- 3:33passive aggressive masterpiece is apparently just a bowl of soup.
- 3:37Chris Smith: Absolutely does.
- 3:38So let's talk about why.
- 3:39And it all starts with blood sugar or more specifically glucose.
- 3:43Your brain is incredibly fuel hungry.
- 3:45It accounts for about two to 3% of your body weight, but uses about
- 3:4920 to 25% of your total energy.
- 3:51Jen Oliver: I mean, that's huge.
- 3:52And unlike your muscles, which can switch to burning fat, when glucose runs low,
- 3:57your brain depends entirely on glucose.
- 4:00So when your blood sugar drops, your brain treats it as a genuinely urgent problem.
- 4:06Chris Smith: It does.
- 4:07And your body responds by releasing cortisol and adrenaline from the
- 4:10adrenal glands to mobilize glucose.
- 4:12Now, the problem is that.
- 4:14Cortisol and adrenaline are also the hormones your body releases during stress.
- 4:18So the chemical for I need food and the signal for I'm under
- 4:23threat are virtually identical.
- 4:25Jamie Eynon: So my body literally can't tell the difference between
- 4:28there's no food and there's a bear.
- 4:31That seems like a design flaw.
- 4:32Jen Oliver: It really does, doesn't it?
- 4:34What a really clever study showed this clearly.
- 4:37So when researchers temporarily blocked the brain's ability to
- 4:41use glucose, cortisol levels, rose and clear signs of stress emerged.
- 4:46But when an antidepressant was introduced, those negative effects disappeared showing
- 4:51that the mood changes were being driven through the brain stress pathways, not
- 4:55simply by a lack of physical energy.
- 4:57Chris Smith: Yeah, and that's a really important distinction, but
- 5:00ols, any part of the picture, there's another molecule called neuropeptide
- 5:03Y or NPY, that's just as important.
- 5:06Jen Oliver: Now, this is really interesting, this one.
- 5:08So tell us more about NPY Chris.
- 5:10Chris Smith: So, NPY is one of the most potent appetite
- 5:13stimulating molecules in the brain.
- 5:15When your brain needs food neurons, release it to drive you to eat.
- 5:18But here's the key.
- 5:19NPY doesn't just make you hungry.
- 5:21Research has shown that the same NPY pathways, that drive hunger also
- 5:24increase aggression because they operate through the same circuits.
- 5:28These shared circuits with serotonin,
- 5:30Jamie Eynon: hang on.
- 5:31So hunger and anger are literally using the same wiring in the brain.
- 5:35That's like having your heating and your smoke alarm on the same circuit turn
- 5:39one on and the other starts going off.
- 5:41Jen Oliver: I mean, that's a great way to put it.
- 5:43The neuropeptides that trigger hunger are the same ones that trigger
- 5:46anger, rage, and impulsive behavior.
- 5:50But a more recent study confirmed that NPY released during food deprivation
- 5:54directly reduces activity in brain regions that normally suppress aggression.
- 6:00Chris Smith: And as always, there's more because on top of all of
- 6:02that, there's a third mechanism.
- 6:04When blood glucose is low, the part of your brain responsible for
- 6:07decision-making, impulse control, and emotional regulation becomes less active.
- 6:12Jen Oliver: Right.
- 6:12And research has shown that even mild glucose reductions specifically
- 6:16decrease prefrontal cortical activity while simultaneously firing
- 6:21up reward and motivation centers.
- 6:23So you're not just more irritable, you're also less able to catch yourself
- 6:27being irritable and dial it back.
- 6:29I mean, that's not good is it?
- 6:31Jamie Eynon: Which is why you don't just feel annoyed.
- 6:33You say the annoyed thing out loud before your brain's had a chance to review it.
- 6:37The filter filter goes offline.
- 6:39Chris Smith: Yeah, precisely.
- 6:40And there's one more factor.
- 6:41Hunger also affects serotonin production.
- 6:43Serotonin depends on the amino acid.
- 6:45Tryptophan and its uptake in the brain is influenced by blood glucose.
- 6:50So when you haven't eaten, serotonin synthesis can be impaired,
- 6:53contributing to mood while low mood and impulsive behavior.
- 6:57Jen Oliver: So when you add it all up, falling blood sugar
- 7:00triggering stress hormones.
- 7:02NPY, ramping up hunger and aggression.
- 7:04Your prefrontal cortex going quiet and serotonin dropping.
- 7:08It's a perfect storm, all pushing you towards snapping at someone.
- 7:14Jamie Eynon: Okay, so the biology is clear, but there's obviously
- 7:17a psychological side to this too.
- 7:19Because not everybody reacts the same way When they're hungry.
- 7:23Some people go quiet, others get teary, and some become, let's
- 7:27say, difficult to be around.
- 7:29Chris Smith: Yeah, that's a really good point.
- 7:30And this is where some really important psychology research comes in.
- 7:33A series of experiments showed that becoming hangry isn't
- 7:36just about low blood sugar.
- 7:38It requires.
- 7:39Biology, your environment and your own self-awareness all working together,
- 7:43Jen Oliver: And their findings were fascinating.
- 7:45So hungry participants were more likely to interpret neutral situations negatively.
- 7:51But only when they'd already been exposed to negative cues.
- 7:55So in positive or neutral environments, hunger alone
- 7:58wasn't enough to trigger hanger.
- 8:01Jamie Eynon: So if you're hungry and everything around you is
- 8:04fine, you're probably okay.
- 8:06But if you're hungry and someone cuts you up in traffic or your wifi
- 8:09drops out, that's when you lose it.
- 8:11Mm-hmm.
- 8:11Chris Smith: That's it.
- 8:12Exactly.
- 8:13And the second finding from that study was equally striking.
- 8:15So in a lab experiment, hungry students who'd been asked to reflect
- 8:19on their emotions beforehand.
- 8:20Didn't become hangry, even in deliberately frustrating situations, but those
- 8:25who hadn't thought about the feelings reported feeling stressed and hostile.
- 8:29Jen Oliver: And the key insight from the researchers was that people don't just
- 8:32become hungry and start lashing out.
- 8:35The hanger happens when you feel the physical discomfort of hunger, but
- 8:39you misread those signals as being about whatever's happening around you.
- 8:43A colleague's comment, a slow cue, a noisy room,
- 8:48Jamie Eynon: So hanger is basically a case of mistaken identity.
- 8:52Your body is saying Feed me and your brain is finding something to be annoyed about.
- 8:56Jen Oliver: It's not far off.
- 8:58And the misattribution is key because if you can recognize that your
- 9:02irritability is coming from hunger rather than from whatever's annoying
- 9:05you, the research shows that you can short circuit the whole process.
- 9:10Chris Smith: Yeah, totally.
- 9:11And there's individual variation too, of course.
- 9:13So research shows that women report high attention, anger,
- 9:16and fatigue during hunger.
- 9:18But age, dietary habits, personality traits, they all influence
- 9:21how strongly it affects you.
- 9:23Nobody though is completely immune.
- 9:25Jamie Eynon: And that's actually quite reassuring.
- 9:27It means the colleague who never seems hangry, probably just hides it better or.
- 9:32They've got a secret stash of snacks in their desk drawer.
- 9:35Jen Oliver: I reckon it's that.
- 9:37So knowing all of this, what can people actually do about it?
- 9:41Because just eat regularly.
- 9:43Sounds obvious, but life gets in the way, doesn't it?
- 9:46Chris Smith: Oh, it certainly does.
- 9:47And the type of food matters as much as the timing.
- 9:49So complex carbohydrates, protein fibers, they provide sustained energy
- 9:55and keep blood sugar more stable.
- 9:57But if you compare that to sugary snacks.
- 9:59Which cause a rapid spike followed by crash.
- 10:01That can leave you feeling worse than before.
- 10:03Jamie Eynon: So grabbing a chocolate bar from the vending machine at 3:00
- 10:06PM might fix the hanger for about 20 minutes before delivering you
- 10:10straight back into it with added guilt.
- 10:12Jen Oliver: Pretty much.
- 10:12Yeah.
- 10:14Something with protein and fiber, for example, nuts, an apple with
- 10:18peanut butter, some oat cakes gives you a much steadier release.
- 10:22But honestly, the recognition piece is just as important.
- 10:26Research showed that simply being aware your irritability might
- 10:30stem from hunger was protective even in frustrating situations.
- 10:34Chris Smith: Yeah.
- 10:34Which means if you're feeling irrationally annoyed and you
- 10:36haven't eaten for a while, just.
- 10:37Pause before we compose that email or have that conversation and just ask yourself,
- 10:42am I actually annoyed or am I just hungry?
- 10:45At that moment of self-awareness can completely change the outcome.
- 10:48Jamie Eynon: I feel like have you eaten?
- 10:50Should be the first question in every workplace.
- 10:52Conflict resolution procedure.
- 10:54Before we discuss the quarterly targets, has everyone had lunch?
- 10:58Jen Oliver: Honestly though, there's a practical point there, given
- 11:01that hunger specifically impairs a prefrontal cortex function.
- 11:05Scheduling big meetings or difficult conversations after
- 11:08a meal rather than before one.
- 11:10Is, is genuinely sensible advice.
- 11:12Chris Smith: Yeah, and it's worth being honest with people too.
- 11:14So with the people around you, you can say, I haven't eaten and I
- 11:17feel like it's affecting my mood.
- 11:18That's so much better than just letting it play out.
- 11:21And most people you find are really understanding when you've
- 11:24actually named the problem,
- 11:25Jamie Eynon: unless they're also hungry.
- 11:27Then you've got two hangry people trying to be reasonable with each other, which
- 11:31is basically an unstoppable force.
- 11:33Meeting an un immovable object.
- 11:35Jen Oliver: True.
- 11:36What is interesting though is how Hanger connects to other things
- 11:40we've talked about on the podcast.
- 11:41So we've talked about cortisol effects on the brain in our Brain fog episodes, and
- 11:46here it is again playing a central role.
- 11:49Chris Smith: Yeah, and to repeat myself as always, the other thing that comes
- 11:52into play is sleep, and that ties in to this as well because poor sleep.
- 11:56Affects glucose regulation and increases cortisol levels.
- 11:59So if you've had a bad night's sleep and then you skip breakfast, you're stuck in
- 12:03that biological deck against yourself.
- 12:06Jamie Eynon: That basically explains the Monday morning phenomenon, doesn't it?
- 12:10Bad sleep on Sunday night, rush out the door without breakfast, hit traffic,
- 12:13and by the time you arrive at work.
- 12:15You're ready to declare war on the photocopier.
- 12:17Jen Oliver: Yeah.
- 12:19And the, you know, gut health connects here too.
- 12:21So we know from the brain fog episode that up to 95% of
- 12:25serotonin is produced in the gut.
- 12:27So the quality of what you are eating doesn't just affect blood sugar.
- 12:30It influences the very neurotransmitter that helps keep your mood stable.
- 12:35Chris Smith: Yeah, and as always, this really does illustrate just how
- 12:37interconnected these systems are.
- 12:39So blood sugar, stress hormones.
- 12:42Brain chemistry, sleep, gut health, they're all feeding into each other.
- 12:46So hangar isn't a standalone thing.
- 12:48It's a visible symptom of how sensitive our mood is to our basic biological needs.
- 12:53Jen Oliver: And when you think about it that way, managing hangar isn't just
- 12:57about avoiding embarrassing outbursts.
- 12:59It's about giving you brain consistent fuel to do its job properly.
- 13:03Jamie Eynon: So then why do we get hangry?
- 13:06Chris Smith: So we get hangry because when our blood sugar drops,
- 13:09your body releases stress hormones that prime you for irritability.
- 13:12At the same time, neuropeptide y fires up both hunger and aggression
- 13:17through shared brain pathways.
- 13:19Your prefrontal cortex goes quiet, your serotonin drops, taking
- 13:23your mood stability with it.
- 13:24Jen Oliver: And on top of all of that biology, if you are not aware that
- 13:28hunger is driving those feelings, you'll misattribute them to whatever
- 13:32or whoever happens to be nearby.
- 13:34Jamie Eynon: So, sorry, I was just hungry is actually a scientifically
- 13:37valid explanation, not just an excuse.
- 13:40Next time someone suggests a restaurant and you nearly bite their head
- 13:43off, at least you'll know it's your neuropeptide y talking not your true
- 13:47feelings about their taste in food.
- 13:50Jen Oliver: So that's why we get hangry.
- 13:52It's not about willpower or personality, it's your brain and body responding
- 13:56to a genuine fuel shortage in ways that are powerful, predictable,
- 14:01and thankfully very manageable.
- 14:04Now, you know why?
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- 14:16Thanks so much for geeking out with us, but for now, that's it from me.
- 14:20Jamie Eynon: That's it from me,
- 14:21Chris Smith: and that's it from me.
- 14:22Jen Oliver: Bye for now.