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Episode 44_ The Unsolved Murder of Julie Ferguson(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up you guys. I'm Andrea and I'm Haley,
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  Speaker 1: and you're listening to Inhuman, a true crime podcast. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so before we get started today, Haley and I both
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  Speaker 1: have a couple of kind of quick updates. The first
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  Speaker 1: one is that we had, I guess gotten a question
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  Speaker 1: from a listener about Kendrick Johnson's case, and I have
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  Speaker 1: been periodically checking in just to see if there's any updates,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately, at this time, there is not. If you
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  Speaker 1: guys remember during his episode, there was they had recently
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  Speaker 1: reopened the case as of March of twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: and they said they would hope to be able to
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  Speaker 1: get a conclusion within six months, and it's been what
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  Speaker 1: seven eight months now? Based on what I've researched. The
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  Speaker 1: investigators who are on the case right now, we're quoted
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  Speaker 1: as saying the parents of Kendrick Johnson are not going
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  Speaker 1: to like the ending of the resolution I guess of
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  Speaker 1: the case and Kendrick Johnson, Kendrick Johnson's parents want new
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  Speaker 1: eyes on the case, They want new investigators, and they
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  Speaker 1: actually want to go above the local police department and
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  Speaker 1: they want to get like the what was it, uh,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the FBI. It was like the Supreme Court justice
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  Speaker 1: or something, oh okay involved to do the investigation. That
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  Speaker 1: may not be one hundred percent correct. I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: exactly who it was that they want like they were
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  Speaker 1: calling to action, but it was higher than the local
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  Speaker 1: police there right in Valdosta. So that's kind of That's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the only update there is right now in
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  Speaker 1: the case. So my assumption is that they are still
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  Speaker 1: going to rule this as an accidental death right and
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  Speaker 1: his parents wholeheartedly do not believe that that is what
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  Speaker 1: calls his death. So I really hope that they get
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  Speaker 1: the justice that they're looking for, and I hope that
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  Speaker 1: someone else can step in and get a fresh shut
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  Speaker 1: of eyes on you know, what went on with with
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  Speaker 1: their son. But as of right now, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: have for you guys. I will continue to check and
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  Speaker 1: update you if anything major happens, but as of now,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for updating on that. You know, it sucks
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  Speaker 2: that we don't have any any more updates, but hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, they'll get the justice that they deserve.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other little announcement that we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: make and this one is very happy and yes, good news.
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  Speaker 2: So if you guys have if you don't follow us
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram, I think we've shared a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: it on our podcast and Instagram, but both Andrey and
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  Speaker 2: I have shared it on our personal instagrams as well,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been sharing it a ton on my personal
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  Speaker 2: TikTok account. But there was a four year old girl
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  Speaker 2: named Cleo Smith who went missing from Western Australia. She
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  Speaker 2: was camping with her family and was abducted. This was
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  Speaker 2: two weeks ago and today the day we're recording this,
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  Speaker 2: which in America, it's currently Tuesday, November second, but the
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  Speaker 2: day that she was found in Australia was the very
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  Speaker 2: early morning of Wednesday, November third. But this morning, Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: morning whatever, at like one am, police busted into a
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  Speaker 2: locked house and they found Cleo alive and well physically
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  Speaker 2: at least. Yeah, So they found her, they rescued her.
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  Speaker 2: She's back with her family. That's pretty much all we
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  Speaker 2: know right now, because like I said, it's really early
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  Speaker 2: in Australia when we're recording this, So hopefully by the
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  Speaker 2: episode we record for next Thursday, so a week from
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  Speaker 2: when you guys are hearing this, we'll be able to
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  Speaker 2: do a more in depth little update on it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just incredible, Like, yeah, this type of outcome
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  Speaker 2: is so.
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  Speaker 1: Rare, it really is, and I can't wait to hear
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  Speaker 1: like the details of what happened and how like how
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  Speaker 1: she is still alive and how this man was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: involved in whatever happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't even know how they found to
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  Speaker 2: go to this house or whatever, but they said they
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  Speaker 2: do have a man in custody and they're questioning him.
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  Speaker 2: So somebody's in custody, but we don't other than that.
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  Speaker 2: We as of right now when we are recording this,
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  Speaker 2: we have no.
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  Speaker 1: Updates, minimal details. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you guys want to get more, you know, timely
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  Speaker 2: updates instead of waiting for the next episode for us
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  Speaker 2: to update, you can follow us on our podcast Instagram
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  Speaker 2: because I usually will share things on there if they're
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  Speaker 2: big updates. And then you can also follow both Andrey
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  Speaker 2: and I on our personal instagrams because we're more active
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  Speaker 2: on those, and I share a ton of these types
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  Speaker 2: of cases on mine, So I'll definitely be sharing on
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  Speaker 2: there right And it's actually really weird because so we're
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  Speaker 2: actually recording two episodes today. We're recording the episode for
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  Speaker 2: Thursday of this week, but then we're also recording the
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  Speaker 2: episode for Monday of next week. And because I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be out of town this weekend, and I was doing
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  Speaker 2: my notes this morning and at the top of the notes,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote down Cleo Smith. I was like, I want
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  Speaker 2: to do because we haven't talked about her yet on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast. Yeah, So I literally wrote down Cleo Smith
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  Speaker 2: in like that I wanted to just share her story, right,
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  Speaker 2: And that was like a couple hours before they announced
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  Speaker 2: she was found.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that weird?
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  Speaker 1: That is weird, Like you're like manifesting an update and
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, she was found. Yeah, I'm so happy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really happy for her family because this is not, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, this is a very rare outcome in these
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  Speaker 1: situations unfortunately, especially with children.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like, Yeah, it kind of reminds me of
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  Speaker 2: Amanda Barry and Michelle Knight and Gina DeJesus, who were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kidnapped and then held captive for ten years, like nobody
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  Speaker 2: expected them to be found alive. And I think the
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  Speaker 2: same thing was happening with Cleo. You know, people were
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  Speaker 2: some of my Australian followers on Instagram were saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were trying to stay positive, but hope
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  Speaker 2: was definitely started to be lost.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but they found her.
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  Speaker 2: She's home. I'm sure she's going to need a lot
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  Speaker 2: of therapy and all of that, but thank god she's
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  Speaker 2: home with her family.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's good. We don't have we don't usually have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good news on this show. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: another little tidbit I guess I could throw in there
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  Speaker 1: is I heard that, uh, which we haven't ever covered
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  Speaker 1: this this case, but if you know ed Giann the
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  Speaker 1: serial killer, did you hear that? Like they identified identified
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  Speaker 1: one of his victims after like what, I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know math twenty fifty years something like that because on
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  Speaker 1: the seventies, sixties or seventies, I can't remember. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: earlier than that, honestly, but that's kind of cool. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's another little bit of happy news. Yeah, but now
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  Speaker 1: that we've brought you up, let's bring you back down.
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  Speaker 1: So today I'm going to be covering the unsolved murder
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  Speaker 1: of Julie Ferguson.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know this one.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know this one either, and I was
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  Speaker 1: looking for a very niched down genre I guess of
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  Speaker 1: a case, and this one popped up even though it
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  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with what I was googling. So
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  Speaker 1: I was I found this case when I was looking
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  Speaker 1: for other cases, couldn't find really what I was looking for,
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  Speaker 1: but I found this, and once I started reading about it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, how have I not heard about this?
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, wow, okay, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's there wasn't like a ton a ton of information
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  Speaker 1: on it because every source was like pretty much the same,
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  Speaker 1: exact like copy and paste kind of you know, research
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. But I wanted to cover this because I
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard it and it's unsolved and they you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously they don't have a killer in custody, and it's
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  Speaker 1: been many, many years. So I feel like it's one
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  Speaker 1: that needs to get talked about and pushed out and
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  Speaker 1: needs more hoopla around it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety five, Julie Lynn Ferguson was seventeen
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  Speaker 1: years old. She was a junior at Eleanor Roosevelt High
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  Speaker 1: School in green Belt, Maryland. Julie was looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: the next stage of her life, starting college and becoming
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  Speaker 1: a journalist, which was her dream job. There was reports
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  Speaker 1: where that said that she like switched jobs, like she
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  Speaker 1: switched like switched what she wanted to do, like she
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  Speaker 1: changed her underwear. But this was like the most current
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  Speaker 1: one and the one that she was like the most
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  Speaker 1: passionate about at that time. Right, she was known by
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  Speaker 1: family and friends as being fun, loving and vibrant. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: who knew her or everyone knew her as the girl
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  Speaker 1: who walked to school with plastic bags tied around her
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  Speaker 1: feet to keep her Rebok classics perfectly white. Which that
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  Speaker 1: is hilarious to me because I can just see that,
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  Speaker 1: especially like in that time, you know that, like the
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  Speaker 1: mid nineties, like Rebok classics were like very which they're
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  Speaker 1: like on trend right now too, I guess, but that
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  Speaker 1: just funny, don't know. I just I visualized that, So
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  Speaker 1: that made me laugh. All her friends thought Julie was
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  Speaker 1: so cool because she had her own phone line in
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  Speaker 1: the days before everyone had celfies. I love that, which
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  Speaker 1: so that's how it was when I was in school too,
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  Speaker 1: because like some people had cell phones, but mostly like
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  Speaker 1: no one did. So if you had your own phone line,
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  Speaker 1: like you were you were cool. Yeah. On the evening
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  Speaker 1: of March twentieth, nineteen ninety five, Julie had ended her
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  Speaker 1: shift as a cashier at Linen's and Things, which was
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  Speaker 1: a store at a local strip mall. She had called
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  Speaker 1: her mom to confirm that her friends were going to
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  Speaker 1: pick her up that night because they had plans to
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  Speaker 1: attend the funeral of another friend's mother the following day.
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  Speaker 1: She said good night to her coworkers and then wandered
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  Speaker 1: over to the liquor store that was next door to
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  Speaker 1: buy a soda, and she sat and waited on a
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  Speaker 1: flower box close to the street for her ride. There
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  Speaker 1: was several eyewitnesses who said they saw Julie. They waved
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  Speaker 1: her as they ducked into the liquor store. Julie's mom
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  Speaker 1: had recently bought her an older car so she could
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  Speaker 1: get to and from work, but it couldn't past inspections,
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  Speaker 1: so Julie had to rely on her mom and friends
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  Speaker 1: for rides until the repairs could be made. There was
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  Speaker 1: like her school and her job was in walking distance,
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  Speaker 1: but her mom didn't really want her walking because like
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  Speaker 1: it's not like always the safest thing, like even in
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  Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, and it was just Julie and her
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  Speaker 1: mom because her father had actually passed away when she
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: was a year old. So on that evening, Julie's friends
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  Speaker 1: were actually a little bit late, you know, picking her up,
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  Speaker 1: and they arrived shortly before ten pm. When they got there,
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  Speaker 1: they noticed Julie wasn't where she said she was going
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  Speaker 1: to be waiting, which her friend's thought was unusual. However,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: on that curb where she said she was going to
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  Speaker 1: be waiting, her friends found a bag with her work
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  Speaker 1: clothes and the soda can that Julie had been drinking,
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  Speaker 1: which was still wet with condensation, so they knew that
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  Speaker 1: she must have been there at one point or another.
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  Speaker 1: Her Panic friends immediately notified her mother, Pam Ferguson, and
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  Speaker 1: when they realized that Julie wasn't there, they then contacted
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  Speaker 1: the police. Julie was reported missing pretty quickly, and the
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  Speaker 1: search for her began almost immediately, which is good because
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's seventeen, which is technically still a child,
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  Speaker 1: and it's the nineties, so I feel like by the
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  Speaker 1: nineties they kind of had their shit together when it
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  Speaker 1: came to like missing children and stuff. Yeah, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: even to this day. We still have issues with us. Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: The search ended about seven and a half hours later
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  Speaker 1: on March twenty first, when two men on their way
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  Speaker 1: to work notice a lifeless body on the twelvey one
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  Speaker 1: hundredth block of Daisy Lane in Glendale, which was a
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  Speaker 1: growing community of townhouses and subdivisions about four miles from
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  Speaker 1: the Strip Mall where Julie worked. I'll just give a
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  Speaker 1: trigger warning for this next part. Julie was found fully clothed.
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  Speaker 1: While there was no indication of robbery or sexual assault,
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  Speaker 1: she had been brutally murdered. The cause of death was
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  Speaker 1: confirmed as strangulation, but she had also had her throat slit,
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  Speaker 1: presumably to make sure that she was dead. But that
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  Speaker 1: also kind of seems like a crime of passion, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She also was covered in bruises, and her arms and
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  Speaker 1: legs had multiple defensive wounds. There was no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: Julie had fought hard for her life. She was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's so sad. Julie was generally liked by many different
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  Speaker 1: groups of people and had no known enemies. Those who
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  Speaker 1: knew Julie knew she would not willingly get into a
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  Speaker 1: car with someone She didn't know. She wouldn't have continued
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  Speaker 1: to wait outside alone if she felt she wasn't safe.
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  Speaker 1: Green Belt was known for a police presence, and it
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been unusual to see a patrol car standing
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  Speaker 1: or park somewhere in or near the Strip Mall. And
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  Speaker 1: there was also reports that people had been rollerblading in
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  Speaker 1: the parking lot. And then of course friends and acquaintances
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  Speaker 1: of Julie's had seen her and spoke to her up
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  Speaker 1: you know, up to the moments before she vanished, right,
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  Speaker 1: So there was a lot of activity going on out there,
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  Speaker 1: So it was really bizarre that, you know, she just disappeared. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was like she was there and then she was
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  Speaker 1: just gone. Her friends were distraught and terrified that there
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  Speaker 1: was a killer or killers on the loose, and the
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  Speaker 1: entire community of green Belt was on edge, and it
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  Speaker 1: was quoted that their community was never the same.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so sad, especially small communities like that.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, Investigators immediately began questioning witnesses who were present
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  Speaker 1: at the Strip Mall around the time of julie disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: They had allegedly they had seen a red or burgundy
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  Speaker 1: colored car with two black men and a black woman
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  Speaker 1: inside and had seen Julie leaning into the car window
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  Speaker 1: talking to them like shortly before she disappeared. But that
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  Speaker 1: car and the people inside it were never located. No
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  Speaker 1: one could ever identify the three people in the car.
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  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, police did believe that Julie was most likely
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  Speaker 1: taken by somebody against her will, just based on the
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  Speaker 1: kind of person that she was and all the things
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  Speaker 1: that people said about her. Gerald Borman, the high school's principal,
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  Speaker 1: told students what happened to Julie over the school's PA
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  Speaker 1: system shortly after school began that morning. He said that
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: school administrators had opened up a counseling center for students,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: and that at any one time as many as fifty
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: students were there seeking comfort and wanting answers, and at
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  Speaker 1: least ten grieving students who took Julie's death particularly hard
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  Speaker 1: were sent home. I think that's amazing that they did that, because, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I was in school, like we had
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have someone get murdered, but we had someone
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  Speaker 1: that passed away from a car accident, Like they didn't
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  Speaker 1: do that. So I feel like that's good for them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that is really impressive honestly, because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like there might be like counselors or something. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Like we had a teacher pass away and they had
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like or they didn't even have counselors, but they were like,
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  Speaker 2: somebody's available if you need to talk. But that was it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like they it wasn't like this post thing
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  Speaker 2: that it sounds like they're doing. Yeah, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Good for them, I know, especially for like that time too.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like now it might be more common, I
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: don't know, right. Students also organized a candlelight vigil to
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: be held on the school's football field since Julie Love Flowers,
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  Speaker 1: students planted a dogwood tree in front of the school
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  Speaker 1: in remembrance of her. You know, Posters bearing the teenager's
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  Speaker 1: name and asking for help identifying her killer were hung
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  Speaker 1: by students at the shopping center where she was last seen.
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  Speaker 1: Like these these kids really went in, like they really
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: cared about Julie and getting you know, her killer found. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, witnesses claim to have seen three
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  Speaker 1: people talking to Julie in that red or burgundy vehicle
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  Speaker 1: before she disappeared. But there are also some other suspects
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  Speaker 1: in her disappearance as well, police questioned a spurned admirer.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't name him, so I don't I don't know
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: who he was, but he was considered a suspect due
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to the fact that he had made a number of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: passes at Julie and was rejected and he did not
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  Speaker 1: take that very well, according to homicide detective Nilsen, Okay,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that's suss though was later convicted of a separate homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and it's now thankfully behind bars. Okay, But at
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  Speaker 1: the time they had absolutely no evidence on him, and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: after speaking to him several times, they couldn't prove that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he was involved. But he seems like a pretty good candidate, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you go on and kill somebody after somebody
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  Speaker 1: was killed that you're tied to, Like, that's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's definitely kind of damning, but very.
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  Speaker 1: Circumstantial, it is, it is, and they had no there was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, no DNA evidence I guess on her, which
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: is crazy. That's always so crazy to me. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: how can people just like have no DNA, especially because
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: she like fought you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, well, I mean that, you know, Unfortunately, circumstantial
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  Speaker 2: evidence like that can only go so far. And I
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: mean that's what this won't happen because Brian Laundry is
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  Speaker 2: not a live But if he were alive, who knows
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: if they would have been able to actually prove that
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  Speaker 2: he did it beyond a reasonable doubt or whatever it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be, that he did it, even though everybody
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: thinks that he did, you know, Like so that sucks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm glad he's at least behind bars now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if he is, you know, he's getting his
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you know, payment for what he did. But in those situations,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's so unfair to the families though,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: because like they never they.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, they.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Don't get their justice.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: The next suspect was Doug de Silva. De Silva was
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: in jail for raping a woman close to where Julie
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: was found. DNA evidence cleared him from Julie's case, but
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: investigators still felt that he was somehow involved. Okay, he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: did not have a solid alibi of where he was
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: at the time that she went missing and was found murdered.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: That always, like whenever somebody says they don't have a
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: solid alibi, that's what always gets me because it's like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: if you just don't have an alibi that like you
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: were home alone or something. Yeah, that's one thing, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's what they meant here. But in general,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: when you know, it's like an alibi changes a ton
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: or something. I'm like, that makes you seem suspicious, more
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: suspicious than just I was home alone.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if you're home alone, I feel like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: like unless you live in the middle of nowhere and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: have no neighbors, like somebody might be able to account
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: for you being where you say you are, you.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Know, right, and even saying like, oh, you're I saw
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: their car in the driveway.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm very aware, like when my neighbors are
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: not home, Like I know they're not home, right, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: see their car is not the driveway, Like like.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely are aware, hopefully of what's going on
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: in your neighborhood.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some people aren't. Some people are completely unaware of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: their surroundings, like.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, true. Yeah, we're like total crime junkies,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: so we pay attention to everything, so we're a little biased.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I've been like this since I was a kid. Though,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I like noticed people and like things and just over
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the top. Maybe that's like my anxiety.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Or I kind of did too until I got on
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: anxiety medication.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: My anxiety.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I'm like, I.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Am very I don't care about anything.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Which like sometimes is not I get to the point
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: where I'm like it's not good, like.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I need to Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the fact that I didn't take my bridesmaid's
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: dress in to get altered until the week of the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: wedding that I'm gonna be in. Yeah, Like I'm just
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: like like it's fine. And so definitely there's times where
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the anxiety meds are not good. Yeah, but I know
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: what you're saying.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He also provided some statements that would indicate that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: he could possibly be involved. I don't know what these
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: statements are. They've never released them, but it never amounted
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to anything and could never push police over the edge
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to actually charge him. So again, circumstantial. Maybe he was
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like playing with police because you know how dickheads do that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're like, h I didn't, No, I didn't, Yes,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I did. So maybe it was one of those situations.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But this is interesting. Since being released from his rape charge,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: de Silva has not been seen or heard from by
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: his family, not even his daughter. Oh yeah, so he
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: went m Ia. So again, that could be pretty damning
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: evidence if you look at it a certain way.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So, about five years after Julie's death, a new lead
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is that the word I'm so toughed? A new lead arose.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Police identified a person of interest in the case. It
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was a white man believed to have been preying on
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: young girls near the University of Maryland. But much like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the three people in the red car, this lead led
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to nowhere, sadly, and they could not find this man. Yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: everything kept like slipping through their fingers. It seems like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it was just like not enough girth to like hold anybody.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I said girth. I hate myself.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Julie's case remains unsolved to this day, like I mentioned
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, but police and investigators
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: hold out hope that advances in DNA technology might lead
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: them to the killer. Which now is the time. What
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: are they doing? They need to like get in there,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: scrape under the fingernails, you know, that kind of stuff,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure they took a lot of DNA evidence,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, like when they found her body, they had to.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Have they Yeah, especially in the nineties.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a Facebook page ran by friends of Julie.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's called Justice for Julie Ferguson, and they post regular
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: updates regarding the case. There After Julie's death, the lot
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: where her body was located was turned into a park
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and it was named in honor of her. I know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: like this town really cares about their people. It's almost
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: unheard of. Yeah. Julie's mother, Pam told The Washington Post
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that she never thought it would take this long to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: close her daughter's case. She hopes that anyone with the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: tiniest piece of information about her daughter will come forward.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: She said, quote, it's very frightening to think I could
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: die and not know who did it. That is what
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: frightens me the most. Could you. I can't imagine like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: losing your HU and losing your child like and having
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: no like closure answers, Yeah, yeah. A reward of up
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to twenty five thousand dollars is available for information information
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: leading to an indictment or arrest in the case. Anyone
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: with information can call Prince George's County Police at three
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: oh one seven seven two four nine two five, or
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you can remain anonymous and call one eight sixty six
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: four eleven tips. I will add both of those numbers
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: to the show notes down below. There are so many people,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, just reading her the Facebook page that was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: made in her honor, There are so many people out
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: there who still care about Julie and her case, people
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: who are still looking for answers and won't give up
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: until Julie and her family have the justice that they deserve.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So I made sure to like like that page so
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I can keep up with it and remember that it's there.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you can share it, share the page into
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: our Facebook group for the podcast.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea way.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I definite everybody to go like because I definitely want
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to follow it too.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like that, Like Crime Junkie says, it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the season of justice, and we're still in that season
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: of justice, and I feel like this is a definitely
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: solvable case for sure. Yeah, So I really hope that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: they dig into it again soon, sooner than later, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they get some answers and can finally figure out who
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: did this horrible thing to this young girl.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's my episode for this week. Julie Ferguson.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: If you're especially if you're like you know, in the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Maryland area share this case. I will of course be
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: posting pictures and information on our Instagram at Inhuman Underscore
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: podcast again, I will have everything, all the references and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: any information listed in the show notes. And I guess
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really good. I hope that. Yeah, anybody
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in the area can share about it and just keep
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: talking about it because that's what puts pressure on police
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to keep working to find answers.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, so thank you guys so much again for listening today.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: We appreciate all your support and until next time, keep
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it human.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Bye.