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- 0:00Hello and welcome back to Reformed Thinking.
- 0:02We are really glad to have you with us again.
- 0:04It's going to be here. We're doing something today that
- 0:07I honestly think is one of the most intellectually stimulating
- 0:10exercises a thinking believer can do.
- 0:13Oh yeah. We're taking a stack of sources.
- 0:16Well, really one core source. We are cracking open CS Lewis's
- 0:22classic Mere Christianity. And not just the whole book.
- 0:25We're really zooming in. We are.
- 0:26We're focusing entirely on Book 4, Chapter 1.
- 0:29The goal here is to extract the core theological insights from a
- 0:34chapter that, well, it's effectively rewrites the
- 0:37definition of what it means to be a Christian.
- 0:39It's a huge pivot point in the book.
- 0:40I mean, up until this chapter he's been talking about
- 0:43morality, general behavior, right?
- 0:45You know, be nice, don't divorce, be charitable, that
- 0:47kind of thing. And then he just stops, and he
- 0:50steps into what he calls the science of God.
- 0:52And the subject for this deep dive is making and be getting.
- 0:56Which right off the bat might sound a little abstract.
- 0:59Yeah, I know. I want to address you the
- 1:01listener. Right now you might be thinking
- 1:03making and beginning. That sounds maybe a bit DRY.
- 1:07And that reaction is actually the whole point.
- 1:09It brings us right to the tension Louis addresses in the
- 1:13very first paragraph of this chapter.
- 1:15There is this very modern, very real aversion to the word
- 1:19theology. Oh, absolutely.
- 1:20It's the hurdle we have to clear.
- 1:22The common feeling is, you know, don't give me creeds, give me
- 1:24deeds or. I don't need doctrine, I just
- 1:27need to love my neighbor. Exactly.
- 1:28There's this sense that theology is academic, maybe even a
- 1:32barrier to authentic faith. People prefer the simple
- 1:35kindness of the Golden Rule, or, you know, the spiritual feelings
- 1:39they get from a beautiful sunset.
- 1:41They think that's the real stuff and the books, the doctrines,
- 1:44are just dead weight. But Lewis pushes back on that,
- 1:47and he pushes back hard. So our mission for this deep
- 1:51dive is really twofold. OK, First we need to understand
- 1:54why Lewis argues that doctrine is like a map, and why throwing
- 1:58away the map is, well, spiritually dangerous.
- 2:01And. 2nd. 2nd. We need to uncover the critical
- 2:04technical difference between being made by God and being
- 2:08begotten by God. And that second point, that's
- 2:11where the stakes get incredibly high.
- 2:14This isn't just Lewis playing with words, not at all.
- 2:16As we're going to see, it distinguishes between being a
- 2:20statue, a carved stone image, and being a living son.
- 2:24It's the difference between an artwork and a child.
- 2:27A profound difference. So let's start with that first
- 2:29part, his defense of theology. Lewis opens this chapter by
- 2:33admitting that everyone, and he means everyone, warned him not
- 2:37to write. It right, he says he was told,
- 2:40and I'm quoting here the ordinary reader does not want
- 2:43theology give him plain practical religion it's.
- 2:46Kind of patronizing advice, isn't it?
- 2:48It is the assumption is that the average person, the ordinary
- 2:51reader, is just too simple minded to handle the heavy
- 2:54lifting of thinking about God's nature.
- 2:56That they just want the warm fuzzies.
- 2:57And I love Lewis's refusal to play that game.
- 3:00He basically says I reject that. He doesn't think the ordinary
- 3:03reader is a fool. His line is you are not
- 3:06children, why should you be treated like children?
- 3:09It's so refreshing. He respects his audience and
- 3:12then he defines theology very simply.
- 3:14He just calls it the science of God.
- 3:17And the logic that follows is, I think, airtight.
- 3:20It is if you want to think about God at all, and most people do
- 3:24in some way, you should want the clearest, most accurate ideas
- 3:29available. Of course, you wouldn't settle
- 3:31for a plain practical astronomy if it meant believing the moon
- 3:34was made of green cheese just because it was a simpler idea
- 3:37than orbital mechanics. You want the truth, even if it's
- 3:41complex. To illustrate this, he tells a
- 3:43story, an anecdote, about an RAF officer.
- 3:46This is such a relatable story. I think we've all met this
- 3:49person. Or maybe at times, we've been
- 3:51this person. Possibly so.
- 3:52Lewis has given a talk to the Air Force and this old, hard
- 3:56bitten officer stands up to object.
- 3:58And the officer's point is basically, I have no use for all
- 4:01that stuff, he says. He's a religious man, but his
- 4:04religion is based on direct experience.
- 4:06Specifically, he talks about being out alone in the desert at
- 4:08night. The desert experience, he says
- 4:11he felt a tremendous mystery. And you know, I get that you're
- 4:15out there. The stars are huge, the silence
- 4:17is heavy. You feel small.
- 4:19You feel a presence. Sure, it's a real experience.
- 4:22And then the officer says, and this is the key part, that is
- 4:25just why I don't believe all your neat little dogmas and
- 4:28formulas about him. Did anyone who's met the real
- 4:31thing? They all seem so petty and
- 4:34pedantic and unreal. It's a powerful objection, it
- 4:37really is. It's rooted in sincerity.
- 4:39And Lewis, to his credit, doesn't just dismiss the man.
- 4:41No, he validates him. He says the officer probably did
- 4:45have a real experience of God in the desert.
- 4:48The feeling was authentic. He agrees that turning from that
- 4:51massive, mysterious desert experience to a written creed
- 4:54like the Apostles Creed, it can feel like a let down.
- 4:57It feels like turning from something real to something.
- 5:00Less real. And this is where Lewis
- 5:01introduces the central analogy of the entire chapter.
- 5:04The Atlantic Ocean versus the map exactly.
- 5:06So walk us through this How does a map solve the problem of the
- 5:09man in the desert? Well, Lewis asks you to think of
- 5:12that desert experience, or in his analogy, walking along the
- 5:15beach and watching the waves as the direct experience.
- 5:19It's real, It's fun. You feel the salt spray on your
- 5:21face, you hear the roar of the ocean.
- 5:23It's exciting. Right.
- 5:25Now contrast that with a map of the Atlantic Ocean.
- 5:28OK, the map is just a piece of colored paper.
- 5:31It's flat. It doesn't roar.
- 5:33It isn't wet. By comparison, it looks very,
- 5:36very unexciting. So if you just compare the two
- 5:38things side by side, the crashing waves versus the piece
- 5:41of paper, the waves win every time.
- 5:43Just like the officers, desert mystery wins in his mind over a
- 5:47dry mythology textbook. Precisely.
- 5:49But, and here's the Lewis twist, he argues that the map is
- 5:52superior, or at least absolutely necessary, for two big reasons.
- 5:56OK, what's the first one? The first is that the map is
- 5:59based on collective experience. That piece of paper isn't just
- 6:02some artists drawing, it is the synthesis of hundreds of
- 6:05thousands of people who have actually sailed the real
- 6:08Atlantic. That is such a crucial point.
- 6:10Your personal walk on the beach is just a single isolated
- 6:14glimpse. It's just you, your feelings,
- 6:16that one moment. But the map?
- 6:19The map is the result of captains and explorers and
- 6:22sailors all fitting together their masses of experience.
- 6:25It's the communal wisdom of the ages written down.
- 6:29So theology isn't 1 person's opinion, it's the church's
- 6:33collective experience of navigating the reality of God.
- 6:36Exactly. And the second reason is even
- 6:38more practical. It's about destination.
- 6:41Where you're trying to go, right?
- 6:42If you want to go anywhere, Lewis uses the example of
- 6:46getting to America, or more specifically Newfoundland.
- 6:49The map is absolutely necessary. Walks on the beach are great,
- 6:53but they won't get you across the ocean.
- 6:54You can stare at the waves all day long, you can feel the
- 6:58mystery of the sea until you're blue in the face, but you will
- 7:01never reach the other side without that map to steer the
- 7:04ship properly. And this is where it really gets
- 7:06interesting for our faith. He connects this directly to how
- 7:09we view God. The mystical feelings.
- 7:12God in the flowers, God in the music.
- 7:14The desert mystery. Those are like the beach.
- 7:16They're wonderful, they're stimulating, they're beautiful,
- 7:19but they lead nowhere on their own.
- 7:21That's right. Doctrines are the map.
- 7:23The Westminster Confession, the Nicene Creed.
- 7:26These things are not God. Lewis is very clear on that.
- 7:29The map is not the ocean. The map is not the ocean, but
- 7:32these doctrines, they are based on the experiences of those who
- 7:36are truly in touch with God, prophets, apostles, the church
- 7:40throughout history and. If you want to, I get to
- 7:42Newfoundland, which in this case stands for eternal life or true
- 7:47union with God. I think that's the kicker, he
- 7:50says. And this is a hard truth for our
- 7:52culture. You will not get eternal life by
- 7:55simply feeling the presence of God in flowers or music.
- 7:58It's a tough pill to swallow. We love the feelings.
- 8:01We love the vibes of spirituality.
- 8:03But Lewis, and really the Reformed perspective in general,
- 8:06insist that feelings are not a substitute for truth.
- 8:09You can't cross the ocean by just enjoying the view from the
- 8:12shore, and there's a safety element to Lewis points out.
- 8:15You won't be very safe if you go to sea without a map.
- 8:18A vague religion all about thrills and feelings is
- 8:21attractive because it's, as he says, all thrills and no work.
- 8:24But real Christianity involves setting sail, and for that you
- 8:29need the church. You need to know where the rocks
- 8:31are. You need to know the proper
- 8:32course. And that is what theology
- 8:34provides. That's the argument.
- 8:36So what does this mean for us today in the modern world?
- 8:39Lewis transitions into talking about the practicality of dogma.
- 8:43He makes a point about education that I think is even more
- 8:46relevant now than when he first wrote it.
- 8:48Oh, for sure. He notes that in the old days,
- 8:51when maybe education was less widespread, people could get by
- 8:54with a few simple ideas about God.
- 8:56They just follow tradition. But today, everyone reads,
- 9:01everyone has a podcast, everyone discusses things.
- 9:04We are just bombarded with information and ideas.
- 9:07And he warns that if you don't listen to theology from the
- 9:10great tradition, it doesn't mean you'll have no ideas about God.
- 9:13No, it means you'll have bad ideas.
- 9:15Bad ideas, muddled, confused or just out of date ideas?
- 9:19That's such a smart insight. There's no vacuum in your head.
- 9:22You will fill your mind with something.
- 9:24And Lewis points out that many of the new and exciting ideas
- 9:28about God that pop up in popular culture, they're actually just
- 9:32old heresies. Ancient heresies that real
- 9:35theologians examined and rejected centuries ago for very
- 9:38good reasons. Believing in some popular fuzzy
- 9:41religion is like deciding to believe the Earth is flat.
- 9:44He calls it retrogression. It's going backward, not
- 9:47forward. And one of the biggest examples
- 9:49of this, one of the most common bad ideas floating around, is
- 9:53what I call the moral teacher trap.
- 9:56Lewis attacks this head on. Oh, this is the classic 1.
- 9:59You hear it all the time. It's the popular definition of
- 10:01Christianity you get from people who don't really want to deal
- 10:04with the supernatural planes. They'll say, well, I think Jesus
- 10:06was a great moral teacher, and if we only took his advice, we
- 10:10could establish a better social order, stop wars and fix the
- 10:13world. And Lewis being fair as always,
- 10:16he concedes the point. He says, well that is quite
- 10:18true. If we all follow Jesus's advice,
- 10:21the world would be a much happier place.
- 10:23But he doesn't stop there. No, and here comes the counter
- 10:26argument. And it's devastatingly simple.
- 10:28Lewis asks. And So what?
- 10:31We've never followed the advice of the great teachers.
- 10:33Why on earth are we likely to begin now?
- 10:35Right. We had Plato, we've had
- 10:38Aristotle, we've had Confucius. They all gave fantastic moral
- 10:43advice. And we haven't followed them
- 10:44either. So Lewis argues that if
- 10:46Christianity is just good advice, then it's of no real
- 10:51importance. There has been plenty of good
- 10:53advice for 4000 years. A little bit more isn't going to
- 10:58magically change the human condition.
- 11:00If we can't even follow the elementary lessons from the
- 11:02past, why would we suddenly start following the most
- 11:06advanced and difficult teacher of all?
- 11:08It's the definition of insanity, doing the same thing and
- 11:11expecting a different result. Here's more good advice this
- 11:14time it'll work. Lewis says no, that is not it.
- 11:17That's not what Christianity is. The real Christian writings, the
- 11:20Gospels, the Epistles, they say something totally different.
- 11:23They make radical claims. They don't just say be nice,
- 11:25they say Christ is the Son of God.
- 11:27They say his death saved us from sin.
- 11:29They say that those who trust Him become sons of God.
- 11:33And he adds those little parenthetical comments, whatever
- 11:36that means, to show that he knows these are difficult,
- 11:39strange concepts. We compares it to modern
- 11:43physics. You know, physics tells us
- 11:45things about the universe, about quantum mechanics, that seem
- 11:48impossible or paradoxical to our common sense.
- 11:50But we accept them because scientists tell us they're
- 11:53describing reality. Theology is the same.
- 11:56It's describing a reality that is behind the world we touch and
- 12:00see. And because it's describing a
- 12:01complex reality, it's bound to be difficult.
- 12:04If it were simple, it probably wouldn't be true.
- 12:07And that claim that we can become sons of God is shocking.
- 12:11Lewis anticipates the question. Wait a minute.
- 12:14Aren't we all sons of God already?
- 12:16Isn't God the Father of all mankind?
- 12:18And this question brings us right to the core distinction of
- 12:21the chapter. This is where the science of God
- 12:23really hinges on one specific definition, the.
- 12:25Difference between making and be getting?
- 12:28This is where we have put our thinking caps on.
- 12:30This comes straight from the ancient creeds of the Church,
- 12:33Begotten, not created. And he's careful to clarify,
- 12:35this is not about the virgin birth.
- 12:37This is about something that happened before all worlds,
- 12:40before time and nature even existed.
- 12:43It's about the eternal relationship within the Trinity.
- 12:46So let's define the terms just as Lewis does.
- 12:49What does it mean to bigot? To bigot is to become the father
- 12:53of something of the same kind as yourself.
- 12:55He uses simple biology to explain it, which is brilliant.
- 12:59A man begets human babies. A Beaver begets little Beavers a
- 13:03bird. Begets eggs that hatch into
- 13:05little birds. The key is that the offspring
- 13:08shares the same nature as the parent.
- 13:10OK. That's clear.
- 13:11So what about making or creating?
- 13:13To make is to create something of a different kind from
- 13:16yourself. A bird makes a nest.
- 13:18The nest is not a. Bird.
- 13:19A Beaver makes a dam. The dam is not a Beaver.
- 13:21A man makes a wireless set. Or, to use a more timeless
- 13:24example, he gives a man makes a statue.
- 13:27The statue analogy is the one he really leans into, and it's
- 13:29perfect for this. A sculptor can carve a statue
- 13:32that looks incredibly like a man.
- 13:34It has a shape of a man, the features of a, but it is not a
- 13:38man. No, it can't breathe.
- 13:40It can't think. It's not alive.
- 13:43It belongs to a completely different order of existence.
- 13:46It is stone. The sculptor is flesh and blood.
- 13:50So now we apply this to God. What God begets is God, that is
- 13:56Jesus Christ. He is of the same nature as the
- 13:58Father. God from God, light from light,
- 14:01as the Nicene Creed says. But what God creates is not God.
- 14:04That's us humans. We are made.
- 14:06We are creatures. This is a massive theological
- 14:09distinction. We so often hear people say
- 14:11things like we are all divine or we all have a spark of the
- 14:14divine within. Us and Lewis, and certainly the
- 14:17Reformed tradition would say, hold on a minute, let's be
- 14:19precise here. We are like God, but we are not
- 14:22of the same kind as God. Exactly.
- 14:24We are like the statue, we resemble him, We are made in his
- 14:27image, just as a statue is made in the image of a man, but we do
- 14:30not share his specific type of existence by nature.
- 14:33We're not little gods, we're artifacts.
- 14:35Divine artifacts, yes, but artifacts nonetheless.
- 14:38To really drive this home, Lewis then walks us through the
- 14:41different levels of resemblance. He shows how everything God made
- 14:45has some likeness to him, but it's a sort of hierarchy.
- 14:48It's a fascinating list. He starts at the very bottom
- 14:52with space. How does space resemble God?
- 14:55In its hugeness, it's a symbol of his greatness, his immensity.
- 14:59But of course space is empty and God is full of life and energy.
- 15:03OK, so then he moves up to matter.
- 15:05Matter resembles God in having energy, but he's careful to say
- 15:08physical energy is very different from spiritual power.
- 15:11It's just a faint echo. Then we get to the vegetable
- 15:14world. Plants.
- 15:15They resemble God because for the first time in this list they
- 15:17are alive. We have biological life.
- 15:19Right. And then you go up to animals,
- 15:21they have activity. Insects, he says, have this
- 15:24intense fertility and constant motion, which is a dim shadow of
- 15:27God's unceasing creativeness. In higher mammals, they have
- 15:31instinctive affection. A mother bear protecting her
- 15:34Cubs. It looks like love.
- 15:35It's a picture of God's love. And then finally you get to man,
- 15:39the highest of the animals man lives, loves and reasons.
- 15:44This is the most complete resemblance to God we know of in
- 15:47the visible universe. But, and this is the critical
- 15:50gap he points to, even the highest human life is only a
- 15:53shadow or a symbol of God's life.
- 15:56Lewis says a picture of a landscape is like the landscape,
- 15:59but it is not the landscape. You can't walk in the picture.
- 16:02You can't smell the grass in the picture.
- 16:03In the same way, our natural life is a picture of God's life,
- 16:07but it's not the same substance. And this leads him to introduce
- 16:092 Greek words to distinguish these two different types of
- 16:12life. This is one of the most famous
- 16:14parts of Mere Christianity I think.
- 16:16BIOS and Zoe. Yes, it's a very helpful
- 16:18distinction he draws. BIOS is the biological sort of
- 16:22life. It's what we have by nature.
- 16:23It's what all animals and plants have.
- 16:25It comes to us through our parents, the food chain, the air
- 16:29we breathe. And what are its
- 16:30characteristics? Well, it's temporary.
- 16:32It tends to run down and decay. It needs constant subsidies,
- 16:36Food, water, air, sleep, just to keep going.
- 16:40It's a life of constant maintenance and eventual
- 16:42decline. That's BIOS and the other word,
- 16:45Zoe. Zoe, this is the spiritual life.
- 16:48It is the life that is in God Himself from all eternity.
- 16:51It's the life that made the universe.
- 16:53It doesn't decay, it doesn't need subsidies or maintenance.
- 16:56It's self existent and sovereign.
- 16:58The comparison he makes is just stark, he says.
- 17:01BIOS is like a photograph of a place.
- 17:04Zoe is the real place. BIOS is a statue.
- 17:06Zoe is a living man. Where's the So what of the
- 17:10entire chapter? This is the point of all this
- 17:11theology. Like a man changing from having
- 17:15merely BIOS biological life to having Zoe spiritual life is as
- 17:20big a change as a carved stone statue turning into a real
- 17:24breathing man. That is a staggering image.
- 17:27I mean, just picture that you're in a room with a beautiful
- 17:29marble statue, and suddenly the stone softens.
- 17:31It turns to flesh, the chest. He's with the breath, the eyes
- 17:34blink, and it steps off the pedestal.
- 17:36That's a miracle. That is a fundamental change of
- 17:38nature. And that is precisely what Lewis
- 17:40says Christianity is all about. It's not about teaching the
- 17:43statue how to be a better statue.
- 17:44It isn't about polishing the marble so it looks shinier or
- 17:47has better morals. It's about the statue coming to
- 17:50life. Which connects all the way back
- 17:51to that radical claim about becoming sons of God.
- 17:54Right. We are not naturally sons of God
- 17:56in the same sense Christ is. We are made.
- 17:59We are the statues. To become a Son we have to be
- 18:02begotten, or to put it another way, adopted.
- 18:05We have to receive Zoe. And I want to pause here and
- 18:08disconnect this to our reformed focus.
- 18:10This sounds an awful lot like the doctrine of regeneration,
- 18:13doesn't it? It aligns with it perfectly.
- 18:15In Reformed theology, we believe that man in his natural state
- 18:18with only BIOS is spiritually dead in his trespasses and sins.
- 18:23He's. Spiritually inanimate.
- 18:24Like the statue? Exactly.
- 18:26And no amount of moral advice or self help can make a dead man
- 18:29live. You need a sovereign act of God
- 18:32to impart new life. You need to be born again, which
- 18:35literally means to be begotten from above.
- 18:38That's the language of John 3. So when Lewis talks about a
- 18:40person acquiring Zoe, he's describing in his own way that
- 18:43moment where the Holy Spirit applies the work of Christ to
- 18:46the believer and fundamentally changes their nature.
- 18:49It's not just I decided to be a better person, it's I was stoned
- 18:54and now by grace, I am flesh. That's it.
- 18:58And this explains why the whole great moral teacher view of
- 19:01Jesus is so tragically insufficient.
- 19:04You can shout moral instructions at a statue all day long.
- 19:07Be kinder. Stop being so hard.
- 19:09Love your neighbor. But the statue is stone.
- 19:13It cannot do it. It needs life first.
- 19:16Then, and only then, can it begin to act like a living man.
- 19:20Lewis brings this whole line of argument to a close with an
- 19:22incredibly evocative metaphor. The world is a sculptor shop.
- 19:26It's a great visual he. Says and I love this line.
- 19:29This World is a great sculptor shop.
- 19:31We are the statues and there is a rumor going around the shop
- 19:34that some of us are someday going to come to life.
- 19:37That gives me chills every time I read it.
- 19:38The idea that we're all walking around bumping into each other,
- 19:41obsessed with our statue problems.
- 19:42You know, a chip in the marble here, some dust on the shoulder
- 19:45there. And meanwhile, the real story,
- 19:47the great rumor, is that we're all meant to wake up.
- 19:50And the gospel is that rumor becoming reality.
- 19:53Christianity is the official announcement that the sculptor
- 19:56has entered the shop and he isn't just carving anymore.
- 20:00He's breathing into the stone. He is sharing his own Zoe with
- 20:04his creatures of BIOS. So if we circle all the way back
- 20:07to the map analogy from the beginning.
- 20:08The map tells us how this process works.
- 20:10Right. The theology, the doctrines, the
- 20:13Trinity, the Incarnation, the Atonement.
- 20:15These are the descriptions of how the life of God Zoe comes
- 20:19down to us, the statues. And if you throw away the map
- 20:22because you prefer the feeling of being in the shop, you might
- 20:24have a nice emotional experience.
- 20:27But you'll remain a statue, you won't undergo the actual change.
- 20:30It really redefines what practical religion means,
- 20:33doesn't it? Completely The world thinks
- 20:35practical means fixing society's problems right now with better
- 20:38policies or advice. And Lewis says the most
- 20:41practical thing in the universe is becoming a new kind of
- 20:44creature that will live. Forever.
- 20:45And paradoxically, it's only those new creatures, the living
- 20:49men, who can actually fix the world in any lasting way.
- 20:52A world full of statues will just keep bumping into each
- 20:55other and cracking. You need living people to build
- 20:58a living society. So the impractical theology
- 21:01turns out to be the only thing that actually works in the long.
- 21:04Run. This has been such a meaningful
- 21:06discussion. I feel like we've really gotten
- 21:08to the core of why Lewis matters, and more than that, why
- 21:11theology itself matters. I agree, it's a powerful
- 21:15reminder that we shouldn't be afraid of the deep end of the
- 21:17pool. The map is there for a reason to
- 21:20guide us. So let's just recap quickly the
- 21:22big points we've covered today. First, theology is the science
- 21:25of God. It's not an academic luxury.
- 21:28It's the necessary map based on the collective experience of the
- 21:31church. 2nd moral advice is ultimately useless without the
- 21:35power to carry it out. Jesus isn't just a teacher, he
- 21:38is the source of a new kind of life. 3rd That crucial
- 21:41distinction between making and be getting.
- 21:44We are made like statues. Christ is begotten like a son.
- 21:48We are created in God's image, but we don't share his nature
- 21:52innately. And finally, the goal of
- 21:54Christianity is not just better behavior, but a fundamental
- 21:58change of our nature, the change from BIOS or biological life to
- 22:03Zoe's spiritual life. It's the change from being a
- 22:06constructed thing to being a begotten thing, from an artifact
- 22:09to a son. That's the whole.
- 22:11Ball game. And so here is a final thought
- 22:13for you to chew on as you go about your week.
- 22:17If we are currently, as Lewis suggests, just statues in a
- 22:21sculptor shop waiting to come to life, or maybe in the very early
- 22:24stages of that change, what does that make all our current real
- 22:28world obsessions? We spend so much energy
- 22:31polishing our surfaces, accumulating money, seeking
- 22:33political power, worrying about our status and our image.
- 22:36Polishing the marble. Exactly.
- 22:38Are we just polishing a stone surface while ignoring the
- 22:40heartbeat that's trying to start inside?
- 22:42Are we so focused on being the best looking, most admired
- 22:45statue in the gallery that we are missing the sculptors
- 22:47invitation to become alive and walk out the door?
- 22:50That is a question worth wrestling with.
- 22:52Indeed it is. Thank you for joining us on this
- 22:54deep dive into Mere Christianity.
- 22:57We hope this map helps you steer your own course a little better
- 23:00this week. Until next time.
- 23:01Take care.