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#265 - Nick Shirley’s Brazilian Gang Story vs. Candace Owens: What Do We Believe? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So Candace Owens just brought the hammer down on Nick Shirley.
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  You think that she's went too far, but she goes to Nick Shirley.
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  Just bringing into question his independent journalism skills and saying that he's fake.
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  We're going to take a look at what she said exactly. And to me,
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  it's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
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  It didn't sound right whenever I listen.
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  It's like, how do I take you serious, Candace? I don't know how to take you
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  serious because you're projecting on everyone your own insecurities, your own insecurities.
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  But we're going to take a look at this. This is Nick Shirley introducing himself.
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  On TPUSA, The Charlie Kirk Show, and just watch Candace Owens' eyes.
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  Not just the United States, but all across the world showing the realities of
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  things that they really are, whether it had been the migrant crisis or the fentanyl
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  crisis or asking people who they're voting for.
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  I go to all the locations or just doing ride-alongs with gangsters in Chicago as well. Yeah.
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  Okay, so this... You see, it sounds like she's going to be pretty unbiased right
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  there. Not too much going on, but he introduced, I'm Nick Shirley.
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  This is before he became just viral.
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  So take that, keep that in mind.
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  So, but really what caught the airwaves was when he brought up that he did some
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  investigation with some Brazilian gangs.
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  And what Candace said about this, I think just set the world on fire.
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  I don't know about you, but it kind of did with me.
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  Through the course of two days, I was able to get access to one of Rio's largest
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  gangs, Commando Vermeulo, and befriend a few of their soldiers who are so dangerous
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  they cannot even leave the favela.
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  Lots of strange things happened to find myself on top of Brazil's largest favela
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  in a destroyed house interviewing gang members of one of the largest gangs in Brazil.
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  Hey, I'm just going to say I don't believe that at all. I'm sorry.
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  I just I just it's so stupid.
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  I'm not even going to tell you why I believe it's like it's like if you don't
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  know that that's stupid that he infiltrated the gang in 48 hours.
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  Like it's just that's so dumb. I'm so tired of dumb. That's not how that works.
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  OK, you don't just go up to gangs on the street as a nice looking white boy
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  with a camera and say, hey, I just want to sort of like see what you're doing here. What's going on?
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  OK, this is stuff. That's stupid. Of course, that's dumb. I'm sorry,
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  Nick. I know you're young.
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  I hope you know whoever is your contact that has you infiltrating Antifa and
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  infiltrating El Salvador at the age of 23 years old. It just feels like sean
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  penn young to me like oh sean penn's always there with the cartels never gets
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  hurt Always is a part of a movie.
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  I just I don't like stupid that did not happen. Okay,
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  Okay. What, what, what, what, what do you think happened?
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  Candace? We, there's video of him down there. What? Okay. So it's just this blanket.
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  I don't think that happened. I don't believe that. I choose not to believe that.
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  What's going on. What do you actually believe? What say something?
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  What, what do you actually believe?
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  Tell us where you're going with this. That's where it is.
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  It's always just this bringing into doubt with everyone of just this cynicism
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  for everyone about whatever it is, but you actually don't take it out and tell
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  what you're actually really explicitly saying.
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  And I just to say about Nick Shirley, he he's done some amazing investigation.
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  We just saw what he did in the Somalian daycares up in Minnesota and Michigan
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  and all that, breaking that loose and just like unearthing that where people weren't going in.
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  And he that's where he went viral. So this is before that.
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  And for Candace to say that he's fake, just to bring doubt his credibility, it's like, why?
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  Why would you say that? And this goes to what do you actually believe?
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  Because what you actually believe as a person in general is what you do.
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  It's not like, because we think that what we believe in our worldview stems
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  from what is in our head and how we think about something.
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  I just see it as more of a percentage going up and down.
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  You look at things and your doubt, what you think of a situation,
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  it goes up and down percentage-wise.
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  But what you do is showing what you really believe.
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  And her to go against Nick Shirley and just throw him under the bus with this
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  just shows kind of her true character,
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  her true behind the veil, because everything that she's putting forward has
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  been debunked in so many ways.
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  And I know the people that are just Candace Owens supporters,
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  they're saying that she's completely spot on.
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  The only thing that if she was spot on, because we could say that she's accused
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  everybody of everything, and made so many bogus claims.
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  Her thing is, it's Erica Kirk in Turning Point USA that they were involved in
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  Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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  And they were involved in covering it up, probably involved in getting it going
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  and putting everything orchestrated and everything.
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  But she's not exactly said what it is going on. It's just we're looking at text messages over here.
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  We're looking at dates over here. Can you just sum it up? What do you think actually happened?
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  We're past that. I'm just we're just asking questions, investigating things there.
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  We need to actually have some actual claims and allegations.
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  What do you what are you saying?
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  And I know this is because this is, it drives me nuts.
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  I don't know if it doesn't drive you nuts at this point because people are just
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  so bought into she's that I'm the stupid one.
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  The people that are questioning Candace Owens are the stupid ones.
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  I go to Alex Jones because he's been heavily against what Candace Owens is doing,
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  but he also was asking questions about what happened that day on September 10th,
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  because there are things that don't seem right.
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  But to just go and say that Erica Kirk is involved or Turning Point USA.
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  Like these are people that are Christians.
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  These are people that are people of faith, pastors,
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  some pastors, and it's like they would have to be going against their faith
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  completely and just outright lying, not spilling the beans,
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  not every night, like just being tormented in their soul of,
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  I'm just lying blatantly.
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  Like all these people that are involved at turning point
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  and say that they're all doing this it just
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  doesn't seem right it doesn't make sense it and people that are just buying
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  into what candace is saying it you're buying just a fairy tale because there's
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  not there's no actual actual like evidence there's no evidence of what she's
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  what she's claiming she's just making just assertions.
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  And she, she like just murkies everything so that you can't really isolate and get down to any point.
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  And I know that Erica Kirk and the people at turning point are not talking with
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  her and that's probably driving Candace Owens nuts.
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  Because she wants that attention. She wants that validation from them.
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  But there is probably a coordinated decision on their part because they're in,
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  like, this is going to trial.
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  There are things that, they're under NDA. They're under things that they can't
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  say. Like, are they gonna get in trouble?
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  Candace Owens is at a point, she doesn't care. She can say anything.
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  Probably lawsuits are coming. Probably will be later on down the road that she's gonna face something.
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  But what Turning Point USA, say the way that where they're at,
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  it's like, just because there's silence in certain circumstances doesn't mean
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  that they're, that they're guilty.
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  And I think that that is, I wish I would love Erica Kirk and Turning Point,
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  you know, Andrew Colvitt and, and those guys to have an actual live discussion
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  in front of the cameras for us to ask, for us to see Candace asking questions,
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  not behind closed doors, because it just makes it all obscure because we know what happened.
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  Erica and Turning Point met with her back in December, and they probably just
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  said, because Candace came out of it saying, it was a good conversation. I got a lot from it.
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  But it was probably Erica just answering her point blank on things that she
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  was saying, and then saying, okay, if you go any further with this,
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  we're going to start pressing charges.
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  We're going to do something regarding suing you or something like that.
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  And Candace was, she probably just went in hyperdrive that that pissed her off,
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  and she's just taking it off a cliff now.
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  So I know a lot of people that are supporting Candace, you're either like,
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  tell me, don't just say that you believe her.
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  She's not making any sense. She's not pointing anything out.
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  She's not actually giving any evidence. And we need to see Erica's side,
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  but they're just waiting for the trial.
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  So it's like, we're just in this limbo stage that nothing is getting clarified.
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  Nothing is being clear for anyone.
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  And I think the longer it goes on, it just, it, it, Candace is going to go off script.
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  She's going to make wild accusations. She's going to just try to throw everyone
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  under the bus like she did with Nick Shirley.
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  It just showed her, showed us what her true character is.
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  Because if she's going to say, she looks at what Nick Shirley's doing,
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  we got footage of him down there infiltrating this gang.
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  And then she's like, that didn't happen. That's a sham. That's fake. Why is that fake?
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  We see what he did. Are you saying that he has connections with our government
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  and they're putting him there?
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  Where are you going with this? Why is that fake? It doesn't make sense.
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  None of it makes sense. All right, we'll leave it at that. Let me know what you think.
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  I know the people that are on the Candace Owens side are, they're just kind
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  of in this delusional state.
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  But if Candace Owens turns out to be right, and I'm going to isolate it just
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  about the Erica Kirk. That's her claim.
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  All these other things, the Egyptian planes, all these other,
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  Fort Wachuk, and all these other things that she's throwing out there,
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  the French government, Israel.
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  If her thing about Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA say turns out to be true,
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  man, I will say, Candace, you're right. I was wrong.
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  But all I see is she's going to come to this as I was, I'm vindicated no matter
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  what she gives me that impression. She's going to look like AOC.
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  Remember when AOC did all she could to drive out, not allow Amazon to come to
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  New York. That was that whole thing.
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  And then she got her way and then she had her feet up and she looked like I'm
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  vindicated. I'm justified.
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  What did you actually accomplish? You accomplish people not having jobs there.
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  You accomplish things not more economic thriving coming into that,
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  your city, into your jurisdiction.
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  If Candace is right about this, if she's right about it, I will say I'm sorry,
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  Candace, I was completely wrong.
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  I was completely wrong. I will say that. I will own that.
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  But it just doesn't. It just seems it's just pure smear.
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  All right. We will actually leave it at that. Have a great day, everyone.