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One Piece, 539-541 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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  episodes five thirty nine, five forty and five forty one. The Haunting Ties
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  Nami and the Fishman pirates, a hero who free the slaves, an adventurer
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  Tiger, and Kisaru appears a trap to catch Tiger. In these episodes,
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  we take a trip down memory lane to remind us exactly how awful life was
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  with Ourlong, and then we get the story of what was going on with
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  Jimbay and the other fishmen who had decided to start taking matters into their own
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  hands. Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I am
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  Natasha. Thank you very much to Florian for commissioning this episode. This was
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  such a weird ride, you guys, because like part of me was very
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  on board for a lot of it, and I was very interested in after
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  all of this, like talk about the way that fishmen are treated being done
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  in this very vague way with Arlong when we first met him, then seeing
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  like the realities of that Sabaodi and how much like how much more brutal even
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  than I was expecting it turned out to be, even despite having seen all
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  of this. I didn't see it coming that Nami was kind of just going
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  to be like, you know what, it's fucked up that you released our
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  and I did go through hell, but also I've seen some shit that makes
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  me understand where he was coming from a little bit more, and it's like
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  colored not. It hasn't pardoned him, of course, because he definitely took
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  shit too far and even his own cohorts felt that way at the time.
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  But she is basically like the realities of what you guys were going through and
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  why you felt like you needed support, It kind of makes sense to me
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  why you took the steps you did. I was very gratified by that.
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  But when I tell you guys this now, it makes it sound like this
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  conversation happens right away. And this is probably like one of the more aggressively
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  frustrating like payoffs, because the last episode, like the final episode of the
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  last section that I covered, ends with Nami finding out that Jimbei had freed
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  our along. He confesses that in front of all of them, and thus,
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  I'm thinking we're going to start this one off with the explanation as to
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  why, and that's not how it goes at all we have, Like,
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  first of all, Robin, She's walking through the forest looking around and saying
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  to herself like, I'm sure if I keep going that I'm going to find
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  something, and eventually her eyes just light up and she's like there, but
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  we don't really get to see what it is. I know that she's looking
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  for one of the ponoglyphs, but it's uh, I have lost track at
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  this point, Guys, what the ponoglyphs like, what their significance is meant
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  to be for her? And I think that part of the reason that I've
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  lost track of it is because I'm just not that interested in it, you
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  know. It's the sort of thing where I have to be reminded because Robin
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  is just not a character that I think about that often. She has such
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  a cool power, and I feel like she could be such an interesting character
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  if she were just I don't know if it's like the voice actor or if
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  it is just the way she's written, but I think it's weird how Robin
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  has all of the components to a character that I would like without really being
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  a character that I like that much, if that makes sense. So then
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  we go jump from Robin to all of the guards who are fleeing the palace
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  at the orders of the king, and his two dudes are very, very
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  like cut up over the fact that they took his orders and they feel as
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  if they have let him down. And I know that he did tell them
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  to leave, and I think that they did the right thing, but I
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  can't help but feel like if I were them, I would also be sort
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  of There's always this feeling when you're looking back on things, like there had
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  to be something I could have done, and I don't like there clearly wasn't.
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  They were out manned here, you know, But I felt for them.
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  Once they're on the other side of things, out of the conflict,
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  how maybe it does kind of feel like, why are we out here safe
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  and our actual king is in there with these fucking people. The dude with
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  the who looks like a seahorse, he's the one who's mostly we did our
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  duty. We're going to handle this in time, but first we've got to
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  contact the prince and his brothers find him as soon as you can. After
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  that, we're gonna regroup and make our way back to the palace. And
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  I kind of wanted to be like, I mean, you're gonna need more
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  than just the brothers, right, I guess I don't really know what the
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  brothers are capable of. So for me, just getting these three dudes and
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  heading back to the palace like with the same forces that you fled with and
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  plus like three random dudes doesn't sound to me like it's going to end up
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  any better than it did the first time. But they may have some really
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  cool abilities that make them extremely formidable. What I'm hoping for, of course,
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  and I think where we're heading is that it's gonna be like, well,
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  we'll find the princes, and in the midst of that search, we
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  will also come across the the straw Hats and they will come back to the
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  palace with us and help us deal with this whole thing, although we've got
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  some of them still on site like already, so it says meanwhile in the
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  high class district of Fishery Hills, and I keep forgetting them. My god,
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  there's a bunch of people fleeing because the pirates are coming in and basically
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  taking the place over. And they have a portrait of the queen. And
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  we don't find out exactly what this is until later, but all we can
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  see is the audience. At first, are just these pieces of wood with
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  some kind of paper nailed to it, and it's being flung on the ground
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  in front of like random citizens, and the pirates are saying step on it.
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  You know, you have to step on it, because that is like
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  the test to make sure that you have fully crossed over. Oh right,
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  So this officer of the Fishman pirates Icarus, maybe it's Ikaros. I don't
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  know if they even say it out loud on the show yet. Ikaros much
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  is the way that it looks, but I'm not sure if it's pronounced that
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  way. He is the one that's sort of like heading this group that's going
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  into the Fishfly Hills and Candy Factory Town, which it's so funny how like
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  Candy Factory Town is just the least imaginative name. They went with something very
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  funny like Fishfly Hills, and then they just sort of decided, Eh,
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  that's where we're going to have our fun, and the rest of it just
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  make it as boring as possible. But we see all of these people who
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  are being lined up to step on this portrait, and they are really taking
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  it hard. Like I was assuming at first, that this was a picture
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  of the prince or the king or whatever. And then eventually this woman says,
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  I can't tread on her image. I beg that you understand, and
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  I was like, oh, it's a woman. Is this a deity or
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  something? And I mean, I guess kind of, depending on how much
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  you believe in that aspect of alleged monarchy. Oh right, And this is
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  where we meet Dharuma, who looks like one of those demons that's like guarding
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  Buddha. I hope that I can remember these names. Ekeros is pretty easy
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  to remember because it just sounds like he hears. But Dharuma, I don't
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  know if I'm going to be able to hold this one in my brain.
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  But he looks like way less human than any of the other fishmen have so
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  far to me. And it says in front of fishmen culture hall is where
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  everybody is gathered here and folks are we're finding out that like all over the
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  place, it's being guaranteed, is like the only word I can think of,
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  even though it's so objectively not a guarantee. What the pirates are trying
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  to do is like establish who is willing to turn their back on their current
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  monarchy, and a bunch of people who are resisting are being put down.
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  We've got this drunk guy who's got the gourd full of liquor, and these
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  dudes all say that they probably this one guy isn't so tough, we might
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  be able to take him. And he throws his gourd towards them, slices
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  it all into pieces. And I'll be honest, I thought when he did
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  this, all he was doing was trying to kind of intimidate them that it
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  was just meant to be, like, look at how fast I slice that
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  gord up, and you barely even saw my sword move. So if I
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  can do that to this, what do you think I can do to you?
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  But no, it's he does that, and he slices up all of
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  the men that are standing there at the same time. So he's a very
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  much like if you make me repeat myself, that's the end of it.
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  And he says, anyone who doesn't want to step on the picture is gonna
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  get sliced up real good. Then we go to the shopping mall and there's
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  a bunch of fishmen lined up there in this like sort of arcade in the
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  middle of it, and they're like being told that basically, if you don't
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  want to like live under our rule, then you're gonna have to leave.
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  And one of the other fishmen's responding with, like, where are we supposed
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  to go? Like, humans aren't gonna let us live out with them?
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  This is the only place that gets light. Where do you expect us to
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  go? And one of the pirates is like, you see what I'm saying.
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  You are being asked to go anywhere but here, and you don't even
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  know where you where to start because human beings are such shittheads that you can't
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  even be like that. There's no life outside of just hiding on this island,
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  which means really that you agree with us that trying to make common cause
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  with the humans is a losing fucking battle. There's no way they can ever
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  coexist peacefully. So your best bet is to accept the rule of Hordy.
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  Under his reign will have the power to change history. And as he's saying
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  this, and by he, I mean one of the pirates, you don't
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  see who it is. The man he's talking to starts getting this red like
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  mark around his neck and he's being lifted up bodily off the ground and the
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  there's nothing there for a moment, and then finally there's this slow appearance of
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  a shape, and then eventually we see the weird stripey guy who's apparently named
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  Zeo, and his thing evidently is that he can like blend into the background,
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  Like you know, there's a lot of different creatures that can do this,
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  but that's a pretty I always find invisibility to be a really terrifying ability,
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  like there there's I think that part of the reason why it affects me
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  so deeply is because when I was like a teen, that fucking hollow Man
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  movie with a with Kevin Bacon came out, which is, by the way,
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  one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I was like,
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  it was one of those movies that really makes you understand as a child that
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  like even serious actors who are otherwise successful can still be in total schlock bullshit.
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  And I didn't really like know that then, so I went thinking,
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  oh, it's Kevin Bacon, like he's legit, and then it was just
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  awful. And but one of the scariest scenes in it is a girl who's
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  just in her bedroom getting ready and she's like naked in a robe or something
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  and just you know, brushing her hair before or her mirror, and she
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  doesn't know that this dude is standing like a foot behind her, and the
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  scene cuts off just as he's clearly like going to assault her. But that
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  scene just like kind of embedded itself in my brain. And so for me,
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  invisibility has always been like it's it's like exactly what fucking Soanji had been
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  saying before about how he wanted to be the creep that was his power.
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  That he wanted was to be able to be invisible so that he could sneak
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  and watch girls like I always saw invisibility as the power of somebody who wants
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  to prey on other people, and probably women specifically. So I wonder how
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  Sonji's gonna feel about this person, even though I don't know if it would
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  technically count as invisibility, because I believe that what we'll find out is that
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  this being has his like it's more of like a camouflage effect rather than true
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  invisibility. Still it's apparently just as effective. So and then we've got another
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  dude, Dosin is that his name, who has this like giant hammer Dosin
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  is I think my favorite design out of all of these fishmen. You know,
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  when we were with the Rlong Pirates, the duck Lips guy was just
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  so like bonkers that he really won my heart, along with the fact that
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  he looked like a backstreet boy. But Dosin has this fucking browridge that like
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  caves downward and it he looks almost like a hammer head. I can't tell
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  if that's like fully, because I think that's what we're doing with him having
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  the hammer I think that's the joke, right, But oh, he's so
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  cool looking and he's got this like real pale pink hair. It's sort of
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  dope, I'm not gonna lie. So he swings down on this random citizen
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  and tadah, the Prince shows up, which is funny because I was actually
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  thinking that he kind of looked a little bit like the Prince. I think
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  he's just it's the long, flowing pastel hair. And the Prince decks this
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  dude and just comes upon him, saying, what is the meaning of this,
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  U scum? How dare you? And then says forcing people to tread
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  on the image of my late mother And we see finally the picture of this
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  like very when you see her moving and in action, his mother doesn't look
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  as stupid as she does in this picture. This picture looks like the brand
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  mascot for like a baking mix or something. She's just that particular image for
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  me almost made me laugh out loud because it just seemed so she looks like
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  she's like twelve, you know. But anyway, we go through all of
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  that before we finally go back to Loofy and oh my god, I don't
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  even think we have yet. I'm looking at this. No, we have
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  still like another conversation amongst all of the other people who saw the princess,
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  and they are deciding what to do. They apparently think that probably Loofy is
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  part of the pirates that are terrorizing everybody else, and that she only said
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  that she would be like an home for dinner because she was forced to by
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  them. And as they're all like talking about this and whether or not there's
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  a link there, there's another old lady who comes running in and she says
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  that there have been some other disappearances of mermaids, and this is something that
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  all the townspeople are sort of like, if the straw Hats are in league
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  with the other pirates on the island. That means that they're like teamed up
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  with the fishmen, and if they're teamed up with them, they wouldn't sell
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  mermaids, would they. That feels like that's completely antithetical to what they're doing,
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  and as they're trying to puzzle through how this could be, we then
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  go to wet Hair Caribou and he has just seen the giant princess mermaid and
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  his assumption is if she's like so, if she's ten times the size of
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  a normal mermaid and a normal one is worth seventy million, she is the
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  mermaid mother load. I will be able to get so much for her.
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  It's so funny to me, you guys, because there's no real like plan
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  here. He just says, it's a mermaid mother load. Any way you
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  slice it, I'll make a fortune. And then he sees like another mermaid
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  who says who are you, and he goes, let me introduce myself and
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  goes after her. Now I don't know exactly how he's thinking. He's going
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  to be able to capture and hold Shira Hoshi and transport her back up to
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  the surface where he can make money by selling her. I like, this
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  mermaid is so enormous. The thing is, like, we know that shiro
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  Hohi is such a cry baby and so gentle that even though she could like
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  pick up a human being and just crush them in her bare hand, probably
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  we know she wouldn't, right, That's just not who she is. However,
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  he doesn't know that, and it just feels hilarious to me that he
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  would ever even conceive of the fact that he could take her prisoner, because,
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  sir, you would fit in her mouth, Like, what are you
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  even thinking? Here? Oh, Seraphim is in the chat Hi Seraphim Dosin
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  is a hammerhead shark fishman, and Zeo is a wobegong wobegong shark also called
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  a carpet shark who are extremely skilled at camouflage a carpet shark. Interesting.
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  Thank you for that, SARAHM. I never heard of that. I'm gonna
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  look that up later. Okay. So here here is when we finally go
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  back to the sea forest, and I couldn't believe y'all we did so much
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  between that. I'm like, oh good, we're getting back to the sea
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  forest and we're finally going to have the conversation about the giant bombshell that Jimbay
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  just dropped. But no, instead we're dealing with like the princess crying and
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  jim Bay comforting her, him like your father is tougher than you realize,
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  and all of this like conversation is happening around it. There's it takes so
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  so long to get back to the point I. He finally says, excuse
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  me, I have a matter to discuss with Loofy and his crew, and
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  I'm going, thank you, Jimbay. Yeah, this felt like something we
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  really shouldn't have. We should have gotten right back to We get interrupted again
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  by Sanji, who is dancing by with cups of tea for all of the
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  ladies. He somehow managed to find a giant cup for the giant princess,
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  which is I mean, that's just resourceful. I gotta give him props for
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  that. He's like delivering all of this too with this very acrobatic style,
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  and Namy's response she says, whatever, just leave it over there for right
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  now and points, and she then says, you've bothered us enough already.
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  We're having a serious talk and like considering everything. He interrupts it again.
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  You're so sexy when you're stern with me, nommy, guys, we're having
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  a conversation with somebody who's like indirectly responsible for her foster mother's death being in
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  front of Nami's eyes, but we have to like watch Sangi cartwheel around first,
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  Oh my god, and then finally Nami says, okay, Jim Bay,
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  let's settle this. And the way this is written cracked me up.
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  She says, tell me, what did you mean earlier? You said you
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  set our long loose. The way that she phrases it sounds like this has
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  been a good thirty minute interval. After he says like, I said him
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  free, and then we just did other shit for a while, like framing
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  it as earlier instead of her just being like, what did you mean.
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  I know that it's supposed to be her just refreshing the audience, but it
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  just there's no urgency to the conversation. And I was so certain that she
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  was going to be and she clear like she's very sober in the way that
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  she's speaking to him, so there is that gravity to it once we get
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  started again, but god, it took so long to get back to the
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  convo, and then it's being talked about as if this was like us picking
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  up the next day almost so yeah, Jimbay like is about to tell and
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  Hachi interrupts, and it's like, you know, don't he I think he?
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  I can't remember if he says don't, I think he does. I'm
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  gonna go back and look. Let's see he uh oh yeah, he says
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  no, Jimbay wait, And then Sanji says, I heard the same thing
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  a while back. When Lufy and I first learned about Jimbei of the Seven
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  war Lords, Yosaku told us about the bargain that Jimbei struck. He is
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  a war lord in exchange for becoming one of the seven Jimbay let a dangerous
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  fishman run wild in the East Blue. I do not remember this character at
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  all. Forgive me, guys. This didn't ring a bell. We even,
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  like go have like a kind of flashback of this character, and I
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  couldn't place them at all. I know that we must have met them,
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  and this is like, you know, footage from Beck when it was animated
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  the first time, But I totally do not recall. And I really felt
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  like I must have missed an episode. I don't think I did, but
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  you know, but yeah, and Lufy who apparently was there, does not
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  remember. So Sanji continues on, saying, like two years ago, when
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  I read about you associating with Jimby in the newspaper, I honestly didn't know
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  what to think about it. I thought Jimbay had been the key figure pulling
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  our long strings and telling him what to do. So Jimby, I'll give
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  you a chance to defend what happened, but choose your words wisely. After
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  all, our very own navigator here had her entire life ruined thanks to your
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  buddy Arlong put it simply, whatever you did turned her world into a living
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  hell. And while I appreciate Sanji trying to like handle this back up dude,
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  like this isn't your you know, it's just very frustrating for a dude
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  to insert himself into things when this has nothing to do with you. You
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  weren't even like part of stuff, you know, like he was part of
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  the battle, but he wasn't part or was he He was there, right,
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  but he wasn't like living on the island, and he didn't he doesn't
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  know what it was like for Nami, And I just really wanted to tell
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  him to, like, let Nami have this moment because saying choose your words
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  wisely, it's like, very much, I'm going to do something to you
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  if you say things wrong, and she didn't ask you to do that,
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  and you didn't consult with her on how she wanted this handled or how she
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  was feeling about any of it. So I was I understand that it's supposed
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  to be him sort of having her back, but because everything with Sanji has
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  felt very sour to me, with this arc and the way that he's being
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  written, it just really rubbed me the wrong way because it pairs up with
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  him being having a certain attitude towards women in general that I'm very tired of
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  at this point, and he says something like I won't I might not forgive
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  you, and I was like, who's asking for your forgiveness? This has
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  just nothing to do with you, man, Like, get the fuck out
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  of here. So Hachi sits up and he says, he's right, we
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  caused her so much grief. It's horrible, and all the apologizing in the
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  world won't change a thing. Jim Bay's face here seems truly stunned, and
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  I thought when he was like telling them all of this that he was aware
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  of the backstory with Nami, but the way that he reacts when Sanji tells
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  him this makes me think that he actually only knew that Lufi took care of
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  Ourlong and didn't realize that Nami had been like a resident of the island that
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  our along took over. So here I am as a viewer seeing this moment,
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  and it's not even like Nami getting to make her declarations about how she
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  feels about it, and I'm already a little irritated. And then instead of
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  Jim Day Like getting a chance to explain immediately, it's the obligatory flashbacks,
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  and we go through the people that Nami loved and lost and the murder in
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  front of her and being taken in by the pirates and kidnapped so that she
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  was forced to be their navigator. And I'm just like, oh my god,
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  can we please, can we please just get an explanation, And Jim
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  Bay just says, I'm sorry, you had a truly horrific experience, and
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  Nami says, I did, it was a nightmare. Nothing will ever make
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  me change the way I feel about Arlong. That said, until two years
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  ago, when we made the trip to Sabaoti, I had no idea that
• 31:11
  even the strongest fishmen were routinely persecuted by humans. When Kamie was kidnapped and
• 31:18
  we tried to save her, I couldn't believe what I saw. And she
• 31:23
  says it was Saboote Park right in front of me, the spitting image of
• 31:30
  Arlong Park before it was destroyed. Guys, they don't look the same,
• 31:41
  they don't write. This confused me a lot, she's saying, the spitting
• 31:48
  image, and we are given a like almost side by side, look at
• 31:53
  these two buildings and they look completely different. What what are we doing?
• 32:01
  It just you're telling me a thing. I don't know. Maybe maybe it's
• 32:07
  the translation. Maybe it's supposed to be like not that the buildings look identical,
• 32:15
  but that they have a similar like I but spitting image means identical.
• 32:22
  But you guys like they're the Subodie Park is white with like round around sort
• 32:30
  of turret in different with different floors and several other turrets going around it that
• 32:37
  are like also round. It's got much more of like almost a birthday cake
• 32:44
  sort of aesthetic to it. And then we cut to our Long Park,
• 32:49
  which is square and yellow with red pointy roofs in a sort of like Pagoda
• 32:59
  style, and I it felt very strange because it was like almost as if
• 33:07
  the dialogue was trying to reccon something that the animation didn't support at all.
• 33:15
  Saraphim says, there's some similarity, but yeah, translation thing the live action
• 33:21
  won't say. Way more into Sorry I'm trying to. I think there's a
• 33:25
  typo, but I way more into our Long Park matching up to Sabodie Park
• 33:30
  with all the carnival games. Oh went way more. Oh I see,
• 33:37
  Oh I get Yeah, I forgot about the carnival things that they did with
• 33:43
  the with the live action. And it's so funny because like watching the live
• 33:49
  action, I don't remember if I even asked why there were so many carnival
• 33:52
  games. I think that I assumed those carnival games had like been there for
• 33:57
  the island, and that when our Long took over they were still there.
• 34:02
  You know, he just didn't get rid of them. I don't think I
• 34:06
  realized that he had like put them in place, and I figured that it
• 34:12
  was just meant to make it an interesting set piece, huh okay, But
• 34:19
  yeah, it just was a weird moment of like am I taking crazy pills.
• 34:23
  The only thing that's like at all similar are the fonts on the front
• 34:29
  of each of the buildings, and Hachi says, we wanted a place of
• 34:35
  our own. I'm not saying this to make you forgive any of us,
• 34:38
  but it's true. Arlong really hated humans too much. And we get a
• 34:47
  flashback from Hachi's POV about how much he terrorized people, and he says,
• 34:54
  you know, he went too far, But for as long as I can
• 34:59
  remember, we yearned for the world that the humans lived in. And we
• 35:04
  get to see all of them as little kids, frankly adorable, swimming up
• 35:12
  to the surface and they're gazing on the land and just sort of this like
• 35:17
  it's just absolutely out of their reach, and all of the shining lights of
• 35:23
  the carnival and everything that's happening, and there's nothing distinct about it. It's
• 35:30
  just sort of the overall impression of all of this light and color and how
• 35:37
  magical it seemed. And I really liked the way that this was done because
• 35:40
  this is something that felt really true to how memory can work from when you're
• 35:45
  a kid. You don't fully like, you don't have a full picture in
• 35:53
  your mind, you remember the overall impression more than you remember anything specific.
• 36:02
  And so the fact that, like we know that they're looking at a carnival,
• 36:07
  they probably didn't know that's what they were looking at as little kids.
• 36:10
  They just knew it was flashing lights and you know, moving objects and sound,
• 36:17
  and it was exciting and different and enraptured them. And Hatchi said,
• 36:27
  our jealousy drove us to hurt people like you. And as he's saying this,
• 36:32
  he's like getting very agitated, and Chopper has to come over and be
• 36:36
  like, sir, you're going to make yourself sick. You've got to lay
• 36:38
  down, and I'm going to make more medicine for you. So Hachi is
• 36:44
  like we were not considered anything more than basically just fish. And then two
• 36:50
  hundred years ago, the Reungo Kingdom became a member country of the World Government.
• 36:58
  They established friendly relations with humans, and their king was even allowed to
• 37:02
  participate in the World Summit. But despite that, humans still had hate in
• 37:08
  their hearts. The beginning of the Great Pirate Arrow is probably the worst time
• 37:14
  in my life. This is Den talking. It was hard to be a
• 37:17
  fish man. I vividly remember my fear human pirates running wild on the island.
• 37:24
  Anywhere you went seemed dangerous, so much violence I'll never forget. And
• 37:31
  we see like a flashback of all of these pirates landing, explosions, fire,
• 37:39
  and I'm sorry, guys, Pippin again, Pippen, can you stop
• 37:44
  it please? So Jim May then says, And then it was the fateful
• 37:50
  day where Whitebeard arrived on the island and saved us. I was so sorry,
• 37:55
  you guys aw this dog. He made his powerful presence, felt claiming
• 38:02
  Fishman Island as his own. Because of him, peace returned to our home.
• 38:08
  And then he's like, you know, that was great. He really
• 38:13
  tried to help, but he couldn't just single handedly change the way that people
• 38:17
  saw us, the reality that you saw at Sabaodi like, that's the way
• 38:24
  things have been, and folks who are able to get power are often resistant
• 38:31
  to change once they get there. So even though there were lots of promises
• 38:37
  made about how we were going to fix the relationship between fishmen and humans,
• 38:44
  the worst bigots and they use that word, which I really appreciated, were
• 38:49
  the people in control to begin with, the ones who should be leading by
• 38:52
  example. So it just didn't change anything. And you know, we had
• 39:01
  the people here who were deciding that they were going to handle shit. And
• 39:07
  there were two different figures we had. First the Queen Otohime. I'm going
• 39:15
  to pretty much mostly just call her the Queen. Now we get to see
• 39:21
  some of what her deal was. It's kind of funny because she's like the
• 39:30
  there's a connection drawn between her and the princess being cry babies, and the
• 39:37
  Princess's crying is just so without cause a lot of the time to me,
• 39:43
  but the Queen's makes a lot more sense. And I was just like,
• 39:45
  Princess, can you do it like this? Can you like make your crying
• 39:51
  meaningful instead of just this annoying background noise. And then he says, then
• 39:55
  the other one was named Fisher Tiger, who freed countless slaves. And this
• 40:02
  is somebody that we have heard of. To set himself apart from the humans,
• 40:07
  Tiger broke an unspoken rule, invading the holy land of Mariegeois himself and
• 40:14
  freeing the slaves within. He would go on to form the Sun Pirates.
• 40:20
  Many of its members were fishermen who were formerly slaves of the nobles, and
• 40:24
  they are the ones who make up the Sun pirates and he's like, yeah,
• 40:29
  that the brand that we all had was meant to cover up the brand
• 40:36
  that was given to us when we were slaves, to identify us. And
• 40:43
  he says we were seen as foes of the world government. We made it
• 40:47
  that much more difficult for the queen, and he's he says, bless her
• 40:53
  heart, but I don't really get a sense, even though he says like
• 40:59
  we were making it harder for her, I don't believe he really regrets what
• 41:05
  he did, and I don't think he should. For the record, there's
• 41:09
  just a real sort of sense of like, I know her heart was in
• 41:14
  the right place, and I know that she was doing the best that she
• 41:17
  could, but there was just no way for both of our methods to like
• 41:22
  coexist well. And he says, like the Queen was trying to, you
• 41:30
  know, preserve our future. She was very forward thinking, but Fisher Tiger
• 41:37
  threw his future away to say to those of his race who were suffering as
• 41:42
  slaves, no one can say who was right or wrong. And he says
• 41:50
  like they both wanted the same thing either way. They both wanted to make
• 41:57
  life better for the fishmen, and both of their lives ended in total tragedy,
• 42:02
  but they were working toward the same goal, even if it didn't look
• 42:07
  like they were. And then the episode ends, and I was so irritated
• 42:15
  because we're getting into some interesting territory here, but like there's still no explanation
• 42:23
  explicitly for our long yet, which is how the cliffhanger of the previous episode
• 42:29
  ended. And I was like, are you serious, Like we're still not
• 42:31
  just gonna get that explanation yet. I understand that we're like setting the stage
• 42:37
  and everything and that is necessary, but I'm just telling you how I felt
• 42:42
  at the end of this one. I was just like, oh, calm
• 42:44
  on. So then we go into episode two of the three, and we
• 42:53
  get the story about the Queen and how she was handling things, and we
• 42:58
  get one of the most bizarre So all right, Jinbay says, you have
• 43:06
  to understand what our world was like sixteen years ago, and we find out
• 43:15
  that the Queen she was like out and about one day when a robber stole
• 43:21
  a bunch of money from some business and he flees down the street carrying a
• 43:27
  mermaid at gunpoint as a hostage to guarantee his own getaway, and the Queen
• 43:35
  sees this, and she decides she's going to get involved, despite all of
• 43:40
  her guards telling her not to, and she just heads towards the sky at
• 43:46
  full speed, and he shoots at her and evidently misses. It was a
• 43:53
  little like unclear to me at first. I thought that she was going to
• 44:00
  like some sort of devil fruit power, and it may be that she has,
• 44:02
  and we just didn't get to find out what it is yet. But
• 44:07
  she's it seems like she's just dodging all of the bullets because he pulls that
• 44:12
  trigger a few times, So maybe it's supposed to be not necessarily like a
• 44:15
  devil fruit power, but just that she is so quick, you know,
• 44:21
  and agile that she is able to dodge, and she manages to just slap
• 44:28
  this guy across the face and sends him flying. The poor girl. She
• 44:34
  goes flying and gets caught by one of the guards, and then we have
• 44:39
  the Queen standing over this man, and she has the weirdest face, you
• 44:46
  guys. She's got like a very round face with a pointy chin, but
• 44:55
  her eyes and nose and mouth are set down into like the bottom half of
• 45:00
  the circle, so she's got a really big forehead and just a like her
• 45:07
  her face just takes up so little space. The whole thing is she also,
• 45:13
  it turns out, is like super delicate, So she fractured her hand
• 45:17
  somehow by just hitting this guy. I don't is this supposed to be like
• 45:25
  she's so incredibly feminine that she's like more delicate than average, because there's a
• 45:35
  couple times where people mention the fact that she's could can be easily hurt,
• 45:42
  and the scene with her and this dude, she just starts to like he
• 45:50
  explains about how he has children at home who are starving, and she had
• 45:54
  just yelled at him about how he's being foolish and selfish, but he's like,
• 45:59
  well, you don't under stand what my life is like. So then
• 46:02
  she's like continuing to hit him because she's like, how do you think your
• 46:07
  children would feel knowing their father was a criminal, But then also starts crying
• 46:14
  about his hardships and the fact that she wasn't even aware of what a subject
• 46:20
  of her house was going through and how like much she regrets that and feels
• 46:25
  that she has let him down. But then she beats him up again,
• 46:30
  and it just goes back and forth and back and forth with her yelling at
• 46:35
  him and hitting him again, and all of the people on the sidelines are
• 46:40
  kind of like they're not sure what to think, you know, as soon
• 46:46
  as they start to be like, oh, she's such a good, patient,
• 46:50
  merciful person, then she hits him again, and everybody's sort of like,
• 46:52
  wait what. And then somebody is like, oh, look at all
• 46:55
  these children. They even love her, and they come running up to her,
• 47:01
  and she turns to see them, and she says, I will do
• 47:05
  everything I can to protect your smiling faces. And the first boy that reaches
• 47:10
  her, she just slaps to the floor and says, your nose is running
• 47:16
  terribly. If I don't reprimand you for it, who will. So,
• 47:22
  first of all, what the fuck is with everybody hitting children? It's just
• 47:30
  so like these stories are just full of people who are meant to be good,
• 47:37
  decent human beings, who are ultimately lovable, and yet, my god,
• 47:43
  can you restrain yourselves please? But then, to top off the weirdness,
• 47:50
  she says to the little boy that she hit once he sits up with
• 47:52
  tears in his eyes, you look ridiculous with mucus dribbling out of just one
• 47:59
  side. It's more dignified to dribble from both nostrils, at which point he
• 48:07
  rushes her with a giant bear hug for some reason. Okay, I guess
• 48:16
  I this is for me. This is very nothing like this queen, doesn't
• 48:24
  she sucks like this combined with her just like wandering around trying to get everybody
• 48:30
  to like sign this agreement, I was like, Wow, you are really
• 48:36
  not doing anything, huh Like it just felt like the most silly, pointless
• 48:45
  exercise to just wander around. First of all, she's the queen, so
• 48:51
  she could just make things happen to a degree if she wanted to. But
• 48:57
  she's not offering any actual assurances to the people that she's trying to get to
• 49:01
  sign this like agreement to go live amongst the humans she and I appreciate that
• 49:07
  she's not giving a guarantee on the one hand, because it's not as if
• 49:09
  that's something that she can really like, you know, she can't deliver on
• 49:15
  that. However, it also doesn't seem like she's really thought that part through.
• 49:23
  She seems to just want people to like go live near humans and trust
• 49:30
  that eventually this will be good for all of us, even though in the
• 49:36
  short term they are probably going to suffer and die, and they're still out
• 49:40
  here being sold as slaves. So she's got no plan except that like it's
• 49:47
  the first step towards things eventually, like getting better between the two of us,
• 49:53
  which isn't really Like it's sort of one of those points of view that
• 50:00
  drives me nuts, which is the idea that like progress is an inevitability of
• 50:08
  time passing, and that's not true. Progress has to be worked for,
• 50:15
  education has to be done. There needs to be like a real specific type
• 50:21
  of attempt, and she's not offering anything specific enough. She just wants these
• 50:29
  people to risk their lives and their freedom in this what feels like very vague
• 50:36
  an unorganized way. So between the weirdness of this encounter with this guy and
• 50:45
  the children and the way that she keeps waving around this agreement that she's trying
• 50:49
  to get people to sign, I pretty much had my fill of her,
• 50:52
  like immediately I am not interested. She like, I'm sure she meant well,
• 51:00
  but this is just a complete waste of time. Sarahim says. Her
• 51:07
  frailty I think is more due to her being a goldfish mermaid. Oh and
• 51:12
  the kid slapping thing is just a cultural thing with tough love being more accepted
• 51:15
  there, at least at the time and when people like odo were growing up.
• 51:20
  I know, I know that, but it's not fun to watch.
• 51:23
  It's disturbing, honestly, to like watch it happen and then watch that person
• 51:29
  immediately hug that child, and that child is supposed to like be glad that
• 51:34
  they were hit and still trust that adult. Like it just it's I do
• 51:39
  not enjoy it. And I love when somebody is like, oh, she's
• 51:44
  such a good person, and another person in the audience just says, I
• 51:47
  guess. So that was my fucking reaction. Also, so I appreciated that
• 51:53
  there was somebody else there who was feeling the same sort of misgivings that I
• 51:58
  was. So I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit here, because there's a
• 52:04
  lot of like her attempting to speechify and convince people and it's not really working.
• 52:13
  And let's say I'm trying to see oh yeah, so the two I
• 52:22
  can't remember they called left and right? Is that what you guys told me?
• 52:24
  The two sort of advisors to the king are talking to him about like,
• 52:30
  you know, what she's doing is really dangerous, and he's like,
• 52:32
  yeah, she knows that, but and he says, they were our ancestors
• 52:38
  weren't able to make this vision a reality. I can't stop her from doing
• 52:49
  what she thinks is right, so it's your job to keep her safe.
• 52:53
  And then we go to a bar where a bunch of humans are sitting getting
• 53:00
  weighted on by a fishwoman, and the place is full of other fishmen,
• 53:07
  and apparently these guys are like I think they're propositioning her, because one of
• 53:14
  them says, like, we want special service, and she says, I
• 53:16
  don't know what you mean, and he says, oh, come on,
• 53:21
  we know how you fishmen are. And at first I thought he was actually
• 53:25
  specifically talking about the men in the room, but then I realized he meant,
• 53:30
  like the race. And I think it's supposed to be like, oh,
• 53:35
  we know that your like species is particularly sexual, you know, promiscuous,
• 53:44
  whatever, and so we're here to cash in on that because we all
• 53:47
  know that about you, which is actually a thing with a lot of different
• 53:53
  groups, but with black folks especially being sexualized. That is like a very
• 53:58
  persistent narrative and it's super gross. But this dude is trying to start some
• 54:06
  shit, and he really is acting tough until finally Jimbay says, get out
• 54:13
  of here. You're ruining my meal. And when he turns and sees the
• 54:17
  size of jim Bay and the overall vibe, he just immediately is like,
• 54:22
  uh, sorry, nevermind. And I was like, yeah, that's a
• 54:27
  good call. I kind of thought he might keep pushing the issue, and
• 54:32
  instead he immediately recognizes that this is not the one move on, do something
• 54:37
  else with your time. So we then get the the talk about this like
• 54:46
  particular neighborhood that he grew up in. So Jimmy is talking about how,
• 54:54
  like, you know, we grew up in this particular dis strict that is
• 55:00
  a bad neighborhood, and he says, there's not a lot of options when
• 55:07
  you come from there. Originally it was an orphanage for children with no living
• 55:10
  relatives, but in time the orphanage became too much for the administrators to handle.
• 55:17
  Before long it became a lawless area that attracted delinquents from all over the
• 55:23
  island. Back then, Fisher Tiger was the only one that we had as
• 55:30
  a leader, but he eventually left to do his own thing. So I
• 55:34
  joined Neptune's army. Despite being fishmen. Macro and some of the others started
• 55:45
  helping the kidnappers, which is really again, that's like a thing that happened,
• 55:53
  but also is it's weaponized so much that I don't even like to bring
• 56:00
  up because it's always like a bad faith mentioned. And he says, everybody
• 56:06
  else left, And then one day he runs into Arlong, who is taking
• 56:15
  he's got one of the collections of signatures, and this woman I don't remember
• 56:21
  if it's mentioned specifically, but I'm assuming that she's working on behalf of the
• 56:27
  Queen, collecting these people who are agreeing to try out this experiment. And
• 56:36
  Arlong is confronted by one of the fishmen who is yelling at him about like
• 56:43
  where he's from. So even though he is also a fishman, he is
• 56:47
  still talking down to Arlong in a way that I was just like, wow,
• 56:52
  yeah, this makes sense. Though nobody's a monolith, and even within
• 56:57
  a particular like oppressed group, there is still a hierarchy and a structure there
• 57:02
  that people can use to make themselves feel better than other people. So he
• 57:08
  grabs his guard and picks him up, and he's like, I'm gonna fucking
• 57:14
  go around and clean up these fucking humans. You guys in Neptune's army should
• 57:20
  be thanking us. Maybe I should beat a donation out of you. And
• 57:27
  Jimby is sitting right there doing nothing. This guy has to yell and be
• 57:36
  like, uh, Jimby, hey, this guy is gonna kill me.
• 57:38
  I think, can you? And Jimmy is like smoking a pipe and just
• 57:44
  very slowly says, all right, punk, put the rookie down and just
• 57:49
  walk away. He's weak, but he's one of my men. And I
• 57:53
  was just like, you, really, I don't feel we're going to do
• 58:00
  anything until he cried out for help, wear Yogen Bay. It just felt
• 58:04
  really like he was just gonna sit and watch. There was no urgency to
• 58:07
  this at all. And he says, in as far as those papers you
• 58:13
  took, they mean nothing to you, but the queen wants them. And
• 58:20
  Arlong starts laughing, and he's like, they're calling you boss. That's not
• 58:27
  the way that soldiers normally like talk to somebody in charge. What's that about?
• 58:32
  And he tosses this dude aside, gives him the papers back, and
• 58:37
  by gives them back, I mean tosses them on top of the man on
• 58:40
  the ground, and then calls him brother and says, I can always recognize
• 58:49
  somebody who came from the Fishman district, and Arlong is like trying to really
• 58:55
  ingratiate himself here, but in Bay is saying, I don't want to be
• 59:02
  categorized alongside you. You became a fucking bullshit pirate, like you're trash,
• 59:12
  and Arlong says, it doesn't matter where we're from, you can't talk to
• 59:15
  me like that. And as they're about to like go head to head,
• 59:21
  there's a yell and it turns out that our friend, uh the oh my
• 59:28
  god, catfish. I keep wanting to say that tiger, tigerfish, tiger
• 59:32
  shark, I don't remember, but we're just gonna call him tiger. He
• 59:38
  comes up and he's about to report to the palace. This is he has
• 59:47
  been on some adventures and he has seen some shit. And what he tells
• 59:52
  them when he goes in and has his like moment is that he has seen
• 59:59
  human name and that's kind of all he needs to say. And the queen
• 1:00:05
  begins to like get tears in her eyes because it's very clear that what he
• 1:00:13
  has witnessed has been truly horrific. And he says, you're telling that Neptune
• 1:00:21
  says, you're telling me you're going to free the slaves. Surely you can't
• 1:00:24
  be serious. And Tiger says, I am, I can't stand it anymore,
• 1:00:30
  the thought of our people living a nightmare. Even as we're speaking right
• 1:00:35
  now, our people are being treated like animals. And Neptune says, yes,
• 1:00:40
  but and I was like, I don't like that, Neptune, come
• 1:00:44
  on, and Tiger says, look, I'm not excited about this. I
• 1:00:51
  am telling you because I know it's going to be a problem for you,
• 1:00:55
  but please don't rap me out. And Neptune says, why are you?
• 1:01:00
  Are you so adamant about this? And I'm just like, sir, why
• 1:01:02
  aren't you more adamant yourself? Like why he I understand handling things on a
• 1:01:12
  diplomatic level, but he really just doesn't seem upset enough to me at all.
• 1:01:19
  And the like way that this episode ends is some dude like running off
• 1:01:29
  and running into Jimbay and telling Jimbay that Tiger attacked the celestial dragons, and
• 1:01:37
  we get to jump over to like the Mariegeois where all of the slaves were
• 1:01:43
  freed, and we see Boa and her sisters leaving, and he is just
• 1:01:50
  like with one fucking fell Swoop really started a war here. And jim Ay
• 1:01:57
  hears this and he is in spe byed and he decides to fucking quit the
• 1:02:02
  guards and go and join up. And ar Along also hears the news and
• 1:02:09
  is like, oh, yeah, this is what we want to be in
• 1:02:12
  on. And so we get the scene where they're all getting together and they
• 1:02:16
  are agreeing to work for Tiger, and they all get branded to cover up
• 1:02:24
  if they had scars from being branded as slaves or not. All of them
• 1:02:30
  have this same brand, so you can't tell who used to be a slave
• 1:02:35
  and who didn't, which I think is a really cool idea. So I
• 1:02:44
  kind of like I've talked a lot about some of the stuff that's coming up
• 1:02:49
  next, but I think that, like, because I'm running out of time
• 1:02:54
  here, I'm going to mainly talk for the next episode just about the contrast
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  between the way that Tiger is trying to approach this versus the way that our
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  Along wants to approach this, and the like, the way that Tiger is
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  going about this is essentially you have to give up on your need for revenge.
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  That's the part that is going to tip us over into them just coming
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  back at us. If we can't just move forward and forgive and look to
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  the future, it's going to be this endless cycle. And understandably Arlong is
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  just really not down for that. He just, you know, is like,
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  what's the point of doing this if we're then going to try and like
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  make nice with them. We just rescued these people from literal cages, from
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  being treated like chattel, and now I'm supposed to like build a house next
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  to them and just live beside them, And you think that's gonna work.
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  I'm so sorry, bruh, but that's not how we want to operate.
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  And the like success of rescuing all of these different slaves, it's like very
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  invigorating for everybody and inspirational to all of them. But you know, every
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  second that they have like, well, maybe we can make it work with
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  humans, they run across another person who is just like, oh, you're
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  nothing but animals. You're you know, like freaks and mutants and whatever,
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  and they just there aren't enough decent people to make it feel like all humans
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  aren't the enemy. The Queen keeps having to say that I know some humans
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  are bad, but there are good ones out there. And I was like,
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  look, there are and I know that, but also we don't really
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  see any in the midst of this whole like flashback. And at one point
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  they take a ship and one of the I don't know if he's like the
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  just the captain or if he has a more official title with the Marines,
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  but Tiger picks this guy up and dangles him over the side, but then
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  says, I'm not going to kill you because I'm like, we're not monsters.
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  And as he leaves this guy there, Arlan comes out and tosses some
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  other dude to the ground and says, you were born human, which is
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  a sin, so you're worthy of execution, and just like slaughters this dude
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  on the deck in front of everybody. And we go to Kisaru here,
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  who is getting like the news about all of this, and I cannot get
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  over how funny his whole delivery of everything is. How oh scary fishman.
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  I guess we should have expected that. And he's got like a real tone
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  to him that he's not that concerned or invested, even though I believe he
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  is. It's just the way he talks. And we have yet to fight
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  them on land, so it's hard to tell how strong they are are along
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  right, I've heard of him, and I just want to say, like,
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  we know what's going on here, but we still haven't gotten the like
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  released are long thing, we still haven't gotten the answer to that. So
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  eventually we have the the introduction of this little human girl character who is being
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  She was apparently being held as a slave despite being human. I don't really
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  understand how this happens because I didn't get the impression that that was like ever
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  allowed, but I must be wrong. She hasn't seen her parents in many
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  years. She would like to help. It's doubtful we can get her safely
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  across the ocean. Can she go with you? Her name is Kowala and
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  she is smiling constantly. But later on we find out kind of what's going
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  on with that. So they take her on, but ar Along is himself
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  really not on board. He's like, she's a fucking human, what did
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  you agree to this for? And he decks her and sends her like flying
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  over the deck. He decks her to the deck and Arlong is like,
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  and why she's smiling? Why is she still smiling? When she sits up,
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  she's bleeding, But she's still smiling, and she rips off a piece
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  of her own like pants and it begins to scrub the floor the deck and
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  says, I'm sorry, I'll clean, i will work. I'm not going
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  to be a bother to you. And the voice actress who does her voice
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  for this scene is so good because she just really makes this plea like devastating,
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  and eventually Jim Bay comes and sits in front of her and is like,
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  hey, stop, you know it's okay. We're not going to do
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  that to you. Can you blame her that she's not trusting anybody, that
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  she's trying to keep this smile on her face, And she keeps on talking
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  about how she won't cry, and finally Tiger comes to her and is like,
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  it is okay if you cry, and eventually he's like, bring her
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  into my cabin and you hear a scream. And when she comes out,
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  she's got the brand on her back that all of them have, so she's
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  like officially a member of the crew now. And I don't know that we
• 1:09:15
  have met Koala or if we are going to. I feel like this is
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  a completely new character. But she is just so like insistent that they won't
• 1:09:29
  kill her because she won't cry, and just eventually when they're like no,
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  no, no, but you can, Tiger goes to like the edge of
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  the ship and takes the gun and tosses it over and has everybody behind him
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  drop their weapons and like makes it clear everybody is with me. We're not
• 1:09:51
  going to hurt you no matter how far the journey, and he says,
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  we're taking this girl back home, and finally Koala lets herself cry. Now
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  I'm a little concerned because I know how Arlong is exactly how this is going
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  to go. We do see some of the fishmen, by the way,
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  in this crew that we dealt with back on NAMMY's Island, so we duck
• 1:10:20
  Lips is making an appearance here. But yeah, Arlong, you know,
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  he's like the only one that's really not participating in the cheering and the the
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  ceremony of the moment. And I'm not excited about seeing how he decides to
• 1:10:41
  try and fuck this whole thing up because I feel like it's going to be
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  not good. But yeah, okay, okay, that's everything. I'm going
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  to wrap this one up because I am over time as usual, but I
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  really I am interested at how Arlong gets got and how jimbe lets him out,
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  but we still don't know, so i'll have to see. Thank you
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  again Florian for commissioning this one, and thank you to Seraphim for being in
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  the chat. Until next time, to the lou motherfuckers. That was an
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  Unspoiled Network podcast.