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SMNTY Classics: Nadja of Antipaxos · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I never told you pro Actually I heart radio and
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  Speaker 1: we have another fictional women classic that we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: run today. And because we're moving into Halloween times scary content,
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  Speaker 1: and also because one of my very favorite shows, What
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  Speaker 1: We Do in the Shadows, just had its season finale.
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  Speaker 1: They are not currently a sponsor, but they have been
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  Speaker 1: one in the past. I wanted to bring back this
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  Speaker 1: episode on Naja, who is one of the main characters
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  Speaker 1: uh in the show. And just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an update. There a couple spoilers, so if you really
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  Speaker 1: don't wanna know much, I'm not they're gonna be vague.
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  Speaker 1: But if you were like, no way, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go in not knowing anything, then come back to this
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  Speaker 1: one later. I think this it could be fun to
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  Speaker 1: come back and revisit some of the themes in this season. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I did read an article about how the relationship between
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  Speaker 1: her and Louslow is kind of unique and that they're
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  Speaker 1: so open about like having sex and her initiating sex
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  Speaker 1: and also being polyamorous, but her like really being open
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  Speaker 1: about how she wants to have sex, and that that
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  Speaker 1: is I don't know I guess it's still kind of
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  Speaker 1: a rare thing. She also has an interesting line at
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  Speaker 1: one point where she's surprised that Guierremo was so worried
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  Speaker 1: about coming out and she's like, oh, I thought everyone
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  Speaker 1: was everyone was queer. It's like, no, okay, Um, we
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  Speaker 1: did get to see because this is something that's been missing.
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  Speaker 1: You have the Naja doll. But we did get to
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  Speaker 1: see her have friendships with women more in this season.
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  Speaker 1: She had like a girl's night, even though I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say she treats especially the Guide who's played by Kristin
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  Speaker 1: shaw All, very well, but you do get to see
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  Speaker 1: their their interactions. I love that they watched MoMA met together.
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  Speaker 1: That was hilarious. Um. She uses this thing called her
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  Speaker 1: voice uh in the season, which it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like setting it up or franting you to think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be her kind of being demure as women
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  Speaker 1: are often made to do to get her way, But
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  Speaker 1: her voice turns out to be like a screaming, booming
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  Speaker 1: voice that brains things. So I thought that was pretty cool. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then I just wanted to say, I know, I
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  Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit in my kind of
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  Speaker 1: recap on my experience at dragon Con recently. I did
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of what we do in the Shadows
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  Speaker 1: costumes and her costuming is amazing. It's really really good.
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  Speaker 1: I love like her bright glittery makeup often the colors.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I saw somebody. I saw a good
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  Speaker 1: pair of her and the guide going around. But I
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  Speaker 1: also so when I saw the episode where they all
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  Speaker 1: try to pretend to be human, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Dragon Con, gods, please, I need to see this cosplay,
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  Speaker 1: and especially Laslow who basically like wore this like flame
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  Speaker 1: shirt in this blue bucket hat and like blue crocs
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  Speaker 1: and jinkos. I was like, I have to see this.
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  Speaker 1: And it was their listeners and my prayers or answer.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. It was awesome. It was awesome. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it and are interested, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a vampire mockumentary show that I really enjoy, I
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  Speaker 1: recommend it. But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha. I don't come to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another sub sub sub sub sub sub secument. I
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  Speaker 1: like to add as many subs as I can Fictional
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  Speaker 1: Women around the World and as promise today we're going
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  Speaker 1: to discuss Nadia from the f X show What We
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  Speaker 1: Do in the Shadows. I was gonna put a buffer
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  Speaker 1: in between doing this one and Officer O Leary from
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  Speaker 1: Wellington Impair Anormal, but I was like about the show
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  Speaker 1: just came out, We're moving into fall, we're moving into
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  Speaker 1: the Spooki seasons, so I wanted to go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: just do it, Just do it, just do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see our last Fictional Women around the
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  Speaker 1: World episode on Officer Leary and also yes, my previous
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  Speaker 1: guest episode on Movie Crush where I talked about the
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  Speaker 1: movie What We Do in the Shadows, and yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: third season did just come out. There's gonna be some brief,
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  Speaker 1: vague spoilers. I don't imagine we're going to go into
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  Speaker 1: anything in Desk. But if you're really like I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be spoiled, then come back later, come back later, right,
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's just start it off again. The twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen movie was created by Taco Watiti and Jermaine Clement,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm really having a hard time during the New
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  Speaker 1: Zealand Jamain Jamain. It's really bad. I'm so sorry to
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  Speaker 1: those who have just heard that because of the show
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  Speaker 1: Flat of the Concord, Like I can't get it out
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  Speaker 1: of my head. But they are both obviously involved with
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  Speaker 1: the show, which debuted in twenty nineteen, and just like
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  Speaker 1: the other show, Willington Paranormal, both delightful. It's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: similar format to the movie. It's a mockumentary about vampires
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  Speaker 1: and Nandor Laslow, Nija and Colin and Nandor's familiar Guillermo,
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  Speaker 1: who was in Atlanta just recently as they navigate werewolves,
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  Speaker 1: zombies and city council meetings, citizenships, family and the vampire Council. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do have a funny I mean it's not funny,
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  Speaker 1: but like a couple of years ago, when I was
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  Speaker 1: a dragon con I addressed you were there, I addressed
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  Speaker 1: this hiccup from How To Train Your Track and a
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  Speaker 1: children's movie, and we were at a party and this
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  Speaker 1: guy dresses nand Or from What We Do in the
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  Speaker 1: Shadows would not leave me alone. And it was just
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  Speaker 1: like the dichotomy of our costumes together and my friends
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  Speaker 1: being like, look, dude, she's dressed as a children's character,
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  Speaker 1: you just back off and he coughed and like left
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  Speaker 1: in a fury, and it was very in character. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: today we're talking about Naja um A Nadia of Antipaxos
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  Speaker 1: played by Natasia demetrio Um, who is an over five
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  Speaker 1: hundred year old vampire and kind of what we talked
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  Speaker 1: about with Officer Leary. We even mentioned this at the
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  Speaker 1: end of that episode. She is the most competent of
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  Speaker 1: the vampires. I guess you could argue her and Colin
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  Speaker 1: are kind of in our running, but of like the
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  Speaker 1: three non energy vampire vampires, she's definitely number one. It's
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  Speaker 1: even a running joke on the show that all these
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  Speaker 1: male vampires talk about is their jacks and farts and
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  Speaker 1: what is she doing with her life by staying with him.
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  Speaker 1: Several times she has to bail them out. One of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest example I can think of is when they
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  Speaker 1: all somehow get captured by animal control and she has
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  Speaker 1: to go and like immediately gets them out so easily.
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  Speaker 1: She's fierce, violent, determined, and loyal in the way that
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  Speaker 1: vampires are. Um because they have different views on monogamy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say she's quick to anger, vindictive, superstitious, proud and
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  Speaker 1: wants more power, and she's very open about her sexuality
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  Speaker 1: and desires. It's one thing I love about it. Nadia
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  Speaker 1: grew up poor and her mother was eaten by a
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  Speaker 1: bear when she was a child. When she was turned
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  Speaker 1: into a vampire, she was cast out from her family
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  Speaker 1: and her village. Many years later, she seduced the Englishman
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  Speaker 1: Laslow Cravensworth and turned him into a vampire. And they've
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  Speaker 1: been in a loving relationship ever since. And I do
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  Speaker 1: I love their relationship and how in their very vampire
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  Speaker 1: weird way, they're very committed to each other, even though yeah,
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  Speaker 1: monogamy is different in this vampire world, but still they
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  Speaker 1: love each other. One of the interesting things about her
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  Speaker 1: character is the relationship she has with other women on
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  Speaker 1: the show. So for for example, in the first season,
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  Speaker 1: she turns Jenna, who is this human lark being assumed virgin.
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  Speaker 1: She turns Jenna into a vampire because she kind of
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  Speaker 1: feels like Jenna is not getting in respect she deserves.
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  Speaker 1: She's being treated poorly by the other dudes, and Nadia
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  Speaker 1: guides her into finding her power. And a big part
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  Speaker 1: of that storyline too, is they go to a frat
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  Speaker 1: party Nadia like yelling at men about not respecting her
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  Speaker 1: our Jenna, and it was very enjoyed, even though you
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  Speaker 1: feel weird when you're like, oh, she just totally killed
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  Speaker 1: that guy. I haven't gotten to that part yet. I'm
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  Speaker 1: slowly watching it. It's been a minute. I tried to
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  Speaker 1: watch a while ago and I came back to it,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I did just recently watch the scene where
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  Speaker 1: she turns Jenna and the conversation like she sees herself
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  Speaker 1: being treated poorly by men in the past and so
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  Speaker 1: therefore and being the only woman in a group of men,
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  Speaker 1: she needed to help her gain her power find her way, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if you know this
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  Speaker 1: that I had to explain this to my partner that
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  Speaker 1: is played by Beingie Feldstein, who is Jonah hills sister
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  Speaker 1: who was I think she wants something. Yeah, she wanted
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  Speaker 1: to award the book Smart and now she's about to
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  Speaker 1: be in a huge Broadway play. So yeah, tiny character,
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  Speaker 1: giant actor. Yeah, she kind of suddenly disappears from the
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  Speaker 1: show and you're like, uh huh, she got real famous.
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  Speaker 1: There's also they play a lot on the women hating
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  Speaker 1: women trope. So a bit later on I believe. In
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  Speaker 1: the second season, we meet Lilith, who is a witch
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  Speaker 1: who kidnaps last Low and Nandor for their sperm, and
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  Speaker 1: Lilith and Nadia were best friends until Lilis slept with Laslow,
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  Speaker 1: and that was a moment where I'm like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: because Nadia is really she's generally very even big, but
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  Speaker 1: she is kind of like equal opportunity vindictive. But I
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  Speaker 1: think because we've seen that trope so many times of like,
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  Speaker 1: oh you slept with my my man and now we're
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  Speaker 1: fighting kind of thing that I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about this. I don't know about this storyline, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they heard that critique or are
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  Speaker 1: maybe like they were just very aware of it when
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  Speaker 1: they did it. But in the most recent episode, we
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  Speaker 1: meet Gail the Werewolf. Such a fun conversation Gail, Gail
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  Speaker 1: the were with who is with is a love interest
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  Speaker 1: of Nandor on an awful love interest, And it's a
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  Speaker 1: running joke throughout that episode that Nadia like scale and
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  Speaker 1: but she'll say something very minor like I'm afraid Gale
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  Speaker 1: is gonna break Mandora's heart, and last it will be like,
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  Speaker 1: oh you hate her. You've made your feelings perfectly clear. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Like they all joke that she hates Gale. She's the
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  Speaker 1: one that hates Gale, and she keeps us like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I like her. But she even says like it's because
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  Speaker 1: we're two women, right, like I had to make this
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  Speaker 1: catfight between us. And then there is something else I
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  Speaker 1: find interesting about her character is there's an episode where
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  Speaker 1: they communicate with their ghosts as vampires because technically they're
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  Speaker 1: human selves have died, so they summon like their ghosts
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  Speaker 1: and they do their unfinished business, um with a ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Naughtia's ghost is like, what are you do? You have
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  Speaker 1: so much potential? What are you doing with your time?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you hanging out with these while you hang
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  Speaker 1: out with these dummies wasting your your eternal life. But
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  Speaker 1: then they connect like there's the same and they connect
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  Speaker 1: on such a close level that Nadia gets the ghost
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  Speaker 1: of her human self to possess this really creepy looking doll,
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  Speaker 1: and now she is a character on the show, the
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  Speaker 1: Nadia doll um And they kind of get up to
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  Speaker 1: shenaniganst together and when the dudes of the house are
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  Speaker 1: being insufferable, they kind of they talk it out. But
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  Speaker 1: that's another example I find of, Like, it's just interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me how many examples I can think of of
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  Speaker 1: people loving themselves. Essentially, it is it is. I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait till we talk about Loki. I've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts about it. Yeah, but also her, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of feels like she just she really does want more
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  Speaker 1: female companionship in her life. And there's several episodes where
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  Speaker 1: she we get to see into her past and and
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  Speaker 1: find out that she did have close women friends and
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  Speaker 1: that she misses them. Um, her relationship with her mother,
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  Speaker 1: which is really fascinating. I won't say it's healthy, but
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  Speaker 1: she clearly cared about her mother. UM. So that they're there,
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  Speaker 1: we just don't get to see them that much. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the doll is sort of a she's
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  Speaker 1: trying for to have this companionship and we'll see where
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  Speaker 1: that goes. Now we've got Kristin Shawl kind of involved
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  Speaker 1: in in there, so I don't know what's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen with their relationship. And then another thing, like this
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  Speaker 1: is just something it's not only this show, but for
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  Speaker 1: sure I've had like kind of moments of anxiety around
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  Speaker 1: like she'll use these problematic sexist insults, and I get
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  Speaker 1: because it's you know, they're vampires and they say things
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  Speaker 1: very strangely in their accents are interesting, and it's just
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be there out of touch, and they are
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  Speaker 1: old and they haven't learned how to adapt to her
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  Speaker 1: modern world in a lot of ways. But it does
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  Speaker 1: come up a lot where they will say, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are you soft like a girl? Or are you put
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  Speaker 1: your all those those kinds of things, and she'll say them.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's just something else that I'm like, I get,
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  Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from. And she's definitely not
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  Speaker 1: like she's got a lot of issues. She's violent and
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  Speaker 1: cruel in a lot of ways, but also like tender
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  Speaker 1: and caring in a lot of ways. That makes her
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  Speaker 1: an interesting character. But that has been something else that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of given me pause around around that. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: That being said, I adore this show the market Handle
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  Speaker 1: episode Thing of Beauty, and I really recommend it. And
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  Speaker 1: I read a lot of articles about how because this
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  Speaker 1: came out before Wellington's Paranormal and people were saying like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what what we do in the Shadows really
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  Speaker 1: needed was because the first one was pretty much as
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  Speaker 1: has made the joke in the movie a sausage fest.
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  Speaker 1: I was mostly just dudes, and how her character has
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  Speaker 1: been so funny and interesting, and I love how open
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  Speaker 1: she is about like her sexuality and her desires and wants,
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  Speaker 1: and how she's so power hungry not ashamed of it
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  Speaker 1: at all. So she Yeah, she's really she's a good
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  Speaker 1: addition to it, and she's really interesting. Recommend, Recommend Delight.
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  Speaker 1: It's a delight, Yes, it is. So that brings us
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