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BONUS Episode: Pregnant mom, 2 girls found dead inside oil tanks at dad's job · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph.
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Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom who had just landed a fantastic job,
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Speaker 1: a mother of two little girls and expecting her third child,
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Speaker 1: a baby boy. Her loving husband sees the sonogram and says,
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Speaker 1: I love this baby already. She's dead. The two children
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Speaker 1: are dead. The two little girls are dead. The unborn baby,
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Speaker 1: of course is dead. Why I mean, see, Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear the husband as he begs for help.
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Speaker 1: I just want them back. I just I just want
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Speaker 1: them to come back. And if if they're not safe
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Speaker 1: right now, and that's what's that's what's telling me apart,
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Speaker 1: because if they are safe, they're come back. If they're
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Speaker 1: this this this has got to stop. Like somebody has
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Speaker 1: to come forward. Somebody come forward. The husband begging for
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Speaker 1: help at that point, trying to find his wife. She's gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: million dollar smile, long brunette hair. Shannon Watts. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at a photo of her right now with her two daughters,
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Speaker 1: Celeste just three years old, Bella just four. They have
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Speaker 1: just been located. Their remains have been located. That is
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Speaker 1: straight out to Ellen colorin joining us with crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Ellen, I want to start at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.
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Speaker 1: I want to start with that. Shannon was having a
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Speaker 1: lot of success selling weight loss patches through multi level
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Speaker 1: marketing company. Did sight loss packets or weight loss patches?
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Speaker 1: I believe it's patches, Yeah, because I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: picture her of her EKA and she's got um, she's
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Speaker 1: sporting a patch. It's like she's kind of almost showing
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Speaker 1: it off or really not trying not. You know when
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Speaker 1: people have those nicotine patches, they'll put them under their
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Speaker 1: sleeve or something. This is a little funny patch she has,
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Speaker 1: like just underneath her collar bone. And when I first
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Speaker 1: thought him, like what is that? Then I figured out
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Speaker 1: that must be one of those weight loss patches. It
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Speaker 1: was wildly successful. Ek. She was traveling all over the
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Speaker 1: world really uh pushing it. But but that's about all
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Speaker 1: I know about is you start at the beginning. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, she was. She would have been having a
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Speaker 1: lot of success. Um. And part of what a multi
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Speaker 1: level marketing job is recruiting more salespeople. So she was
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Speaker 1: posting on Facebook all the time showing how well she
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Speaker 1: was doing. She was getting a car, allowances, she's got
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Speaker 1: a Lexis, she's going on um work, funter vacations all
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Speaker 1: the time. She's working really hard, but she's also having
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Speaker 1: the time of her life. Um. And juxtaposed this with
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Speaker 1: what we later learned that the family had been having
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Speaker 1: financial trouble and they had filed for bankruptcy and two
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Speaker 1: thousand five, and Chris had reportedly told some neighbors pretty
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Speaker 1: recently that they were thinking about selling the whole. Oh. Now,
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Speaker 1: here's a mom who has been devoting her entire life
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Speaker 1: to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella. And
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Speaker 1: then they hit hard times and the dad is no deadbeat. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's been working too. So they fall on hard times
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Speaker 1: and they have to get out from under staggering debt
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Speaker 1: by following bankruptcy. She manages to land a job at
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Speaker 1: about eighty thousand dollars a year, but part of that
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Speaker 1: job is having to travel away from her children, which
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Speaker 1: she hated she would leave for work. And I believe
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Speaker 1: this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty
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Speaker 1: thou dollar job, she had a lot of trips to
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Speaker 1: Mexico and Dominican Republic. Her work often took her away
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Speaker 1: from home, and that leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at
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Speaker 1: home with the two little girls. During this time, she
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Speaker 1: gets pregnant and they are looking forward to the birth
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Speaker 1: of the first boy in the family. Also with me
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Speaker 1: renowned pathologists and medical examiner Dr. Michelle Duprie and forensics
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Speaker 1: expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jackson University and
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet to you, Ellen, Killorin
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Speaker 1: have you ever noticed realtors, Okay, realtors always have beautiful cars.
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Speaker 1: I'm convinced they're all least by the way, beautiful cars,
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Speaker 1: beautiful close, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's part of
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Speaker 1: the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen, if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go look at an apartment or look at
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Speaker 1: a house, you don't want to get in a car
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Speaker 1: are doesn't crank up. It's alritting and disgusting inside, you know, Ellen,
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Speaker 1: You know I drive a beat up minivan. Is pretty beat,
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Speaker 1: is pretty messed up on the inside. You know. Lucy
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Speaker 1: and John David they always want hot chocolate at the
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Speaker 1: drive through, and I get it, you know, that's made
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Speaker 1: of melk Ellen. So when they spilled the whole thing
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Speaker 1: on the carpet after about two or three days, after
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Speaker 1: about a day is pretty rank, right. So so I'm
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Speaker 1: not judging people on their cars, but it's a facade
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Speaker 1: that they need to present. This Mom got this job
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Speaker 1: and had to present this facade exactly. It's part of
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Speaker 1: the job to make it. It's part of the presentation,
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Speaker 1: to make the whole experience seemed like something that you
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Speaker 1: want to participate in. Her job isn't just selling the
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Speaker 1: weight loss patches, it's also selling other people taking the
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Speaker 1: kind of job that she has. She's recruiting as well,
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Speaker 1: So she has to project projecting image that makes us
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Speaker 1: look very, very entasing. I'm taking a look right now.
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Speaker 1: I know it's one of her posts, says um quote.
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Speaker 1: Did you know Lavelle gives an eight hundred dollar a
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Speaker 1: month car bonus for hitting only the second rank in
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Speaker 1: the company. How amazing is that she just wrote that
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Speaker 1: in the last month. Hey, you know what, I think
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do it? Eight hundred dollars a month
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Speaker 1: for a car bonus? Could I get rid of my
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Speaker 1: stinky minivan? Ellen? So I think you could, so I
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Speaker 1: want to get back to the mom missing. So she
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Speaker 1: starts this job, and even amidst the new job where
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Speaker 1: she's really having to work and travel out of town
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Speaker 1: away from her two kids, she they still are considering
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Speaker 1: selling the house. Ellen, Yeah, that a neighbor told a
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Speaker 1: reporter that just this week that that Chris has kind
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Speaker 1: of off handedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house.
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Speaker 1: So it's really hard to say what their financial situation
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Speaker 1: was like. It seems like obviously there had been some
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Speaker 1: trouble in the past, but after they filed for bankers
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Speaker 1: is when Shaddan got this job, and also Chris had
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Speaker 1: been working at the petroleum company. So they're both working,
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Speaker 1: but it's her. They've got two children, they've got another
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Speaker 1: on the way. That's a lot of financial pressure. It's
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Speaker 1: hard to know how easily they really were making because,
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Speaker 1: like you said, a big part of Shunan's job was
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Speaker 1: making the job look really, really attractive to other people.
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Speaker 1: All we know is that, well, what was his job?
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Speaker 1: Hold on, what was his job Christopher Watts's job? You
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Speaker 1: worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there since
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Speaker 1: at least two thousands fifteen. It's not clear exactly what
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Speaker 1: his job was. I want to get back to her
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Speaker 1: going missing, Ellen, When did that happen? Give me the
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Speaker 1: timeline she had just got back to her. He had
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Speaker 1: another work trip on early in the Monday morning hours.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I want to clear something up. I
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Speaker 1: want to clear something up with me. Dr Michelle Duprie,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist Dr Judith Joseph.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you have to travel
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Speaker 1: for work, Dr Michelle Duprie, but it sounds so glamorous.
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Speaker 1: It is not glamorous, like this woman went to New Orleans,
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Speaker 1: Toronto to kind of Dominican Republic Puertro Valerita Vega, San Diego.
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Speaker 1: When you travel for work, Dr Michelle Duprey, it is
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Speaker 1: not glamorous. I typically get off of a plane, I
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Speaker 1: go straight to the work site, dragging my beat up
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Speaker 1: suitcase behind me, and I get there. I work. I
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Speaker 1: work late because I want to hurry and work as
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Speaker 1: late as I can so I can get back earlier.
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Speaker 1: End up spending the night in a hotel, grab something
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Speaker 1: on the way, and then I get up as quickly
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Speaker 1: as I can. Sometimes at three or four in the morning,
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Speaker 1: to get to the airport to get back home. That's
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Speaker 1: not glamorous. Dr Michelle Dupree're exactly right, Ancy, it is not.
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Speaker 1: It's very hiring and you are worn out by the
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Speaker 1: time you can hurt. So tell me this. She gets
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Speaker 1: back Ellen from one of these trips, and what happens.
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Speaker 1: She gets back to the late early in the hours
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Speaker 1: of Monday morning, he goes to work at five am.
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Speaker 1: Apparently they stay up together for three or four hours
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Speaker 1: talking and he had been at the It was an
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Speaker 1: emotional conversation. So that's gonna be a really big question
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Speaker 1: in this case. What was going on in that quote
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Speaker 1: unquote emotional conversation because she wasn't seen again after that. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, when one partner travels a lot. To Dr
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Speaker 1: Jude Judith Joseph renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's
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Speaker 1: very hard. As a matter of fact, Dr Judith Um,
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Speaker 1: when my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday
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Speaker 1: night and get back if I if I was lucky
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Speaker 1: on Friday night. Our entire relationship. When we had the twins,
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Speaker 1: I said, listen, son's got to give. I cannot work
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Speaker 1: and be on call for crime related stories. And you
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Speaker 1: be gone. It's just it's well, you know what, he
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Speaker 1: started his own business so he could name his own hours.
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Speaker 1: But Dr Judith, not everybody is that fortunate to be
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Speaker 1: able to just go run out start your own business.
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Speaker 1: And it's hard when one that's very stressful on a
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Speaker 1: family with two taughts and another all the way for
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Speaker 1: one parent to be gone all the time. I guess
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Speaker 1: they did have an emotional conversation. I agree with you, Nancy. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, traveling is hard on anyone, to even people
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Speaker 1: who don't have children, stuff us on depression, anxiety, sweep
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Speaker 1: disorders related to extensive traveling. And so then when you
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Speaker 1: put that stress into the mix with two young children,
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Speaker 1: a husband who's staring the brunt of things, and you know,
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Speaker 1: traditionally in our society, some parts of this country is
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Speaker 1: still very very traditional. It's not common for the mother
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Speaker 1: leaves a home, and so there's a lot there probably
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Speaker 1: were a lot of feelings there, and you know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: people becomes a community about about this, and so I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure what was happening with this band in particular. However,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Travel is stressful and when one parent
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Speaker 1: has to stay behind, one partner has to be behind.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the imagination goes wild, and their accusations of jealousy,
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Speaker 1: of infidelity in and we don't know what was happening
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Speaker 1: Rules and restrictions do apply. Her flight got delayed from
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Speaker 1: Arizona because like other storms around the nation, so you're
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Speaker 1: supposed to get home like eleven. She got home at
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Speaker 1: She came home from the airport two am, and I
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Speaker 1: left around five fifteen. She was still here and like
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Speaker 1: about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed
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Speaker 1: up at the door, Like I had texted a two
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Speaker 1: times that day, called her say, you know, but she
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Speaker 1: never got back to me. But she wasn't get back
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Speaker 1: to any of her people as well, and that's what
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Speaker 1: really concerned a lot of people's like she's not getting
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Speaker 1: back to her, but like she doesn't get back to me,
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Speaker 1: that's fine, Like she gets based during the day, like
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Speaker 1: she get back through people, which was very concerning. And
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Speaker 1: Nicole called me when she was at the door, and
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Speaker 1: that's when I came home and then walked in the
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Speaker 1: house and nothing, It's vanished. Nothing was here. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, nobody
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Speaker 1: was here. We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts.
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Speaker 1: We want justice. Shannon goes missing along with her two children,
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Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste little Taughts. And to top it all off,
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Speaker 1: Shannon is pregnant. I recall covering a case and I
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Speaker 1: learned a startling statistics. I believe it was from the
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Speaker 1: New England Journal of Medicine that the number one cause
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Speaker 1: of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide.
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Speaker 1: The number one cause of death it's not heart failure,
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Speaker 1: it's not stroke. It's not anything you may imagine. It
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Speaker 1: is homicide. Very disturbing, joining me Dr Michelle Dupre, Joseph s.
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Speaker 1: Gott Morgan, Dr Judith Joseph, and Ellen Colauren. So Ellen,
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Speaker 1: she he goes missing. We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts,
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Speaker 1: begging for help to try to find her. I'm thinking this,
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Speaker 1: so it's not like she would run away with another
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Speaker 1: man and bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste
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Speaker 1: with her. Also, she came home that night, she got
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Speaker 1: home from out of town. She has this discussion, probably
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Speaker 1: related to the out of town trip she had to take,
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Speaker 1: and then the husband leaves for work at five am.
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Speaker 1: She's alive and well then, so how does she turn
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Speaker 1: up dead? And where? Ellen? Mm hmmm. I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions about that segment of the interview that
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Speaker 1: we just heard. I'm curious why that friend went to
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Speaker 1: the home in the first place. Why would she just
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Speaker 1: go over there. I'm wondering if maybe there was a
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Speaker 1: sense among a friend some of her friends that Shannon
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Speaker 1: Shannon was in distress, and as far as I know,
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Speaker 1: there were not any accusations of infidelity on her part,
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Speaker 1: but apparently she did venture to a friend. At one
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Speaker 1: point she was wondering if maybe her husband was being unfaithful. Well,
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Speaker 1: according to and yes, yes, uh Mark Garrigos, my colleague,
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Speaker 1: defense attorney for Michael Jackson Scott Peterson. When on a ride, right,
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Speaker 1: he'll tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make
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Speaker 1: and he's absolutely right. But I can tell you this,
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Speaker 1: when you have a happy family and a happy marriage,
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Speaker 1: the husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the
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Speaker 1: wife over a cliff. I know that much. I also
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Speaker 1: know this problems allegedly servicing just in the past two
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Speaker 1: months because a coworker of Shannon's mom said they may
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Speaker 1: have been headed for divorce. Right when they're turning the corner.
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Speaker 1: Dr Judith Joseph, New York Psychiatrists joining us. Uh. They yes,
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Speaker 1: they went bankrupt in two thousand fifteen, but they recently
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Speaker 1: had enjoyed these lavish trip ups. And alexis automobile thanks
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Speaker 1: to her new job. It took her out a town
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Speaker 1: a lot, and then problems making in to surface at
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Speaker 1: home and looks like they're turning the corner on all
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Speaker 1: their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith m Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that that's statistics. The statistics that you mentioned
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Speaker 1: about pregnant woman and homicide being anyone called it death
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Speaker 1: is so significant and people don't realize this, that that
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Speaker 1: partners people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experienced
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Speaker 1: postpartent depression and stress. And it's not the same cause
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Speaker 1: it's not hormonal. Uh, it's there's a lot of transitions
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Speaker 1: that people have to face when they're having multiple children,
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Speaker 1: and you add the stress of finances, you add nartal
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Speaker 1: pressure and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging
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Speaker 1: in in adultery, and and then people explode and and
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Speaker 1: I don't know the family empathic. I haven't treated any
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Speaker 1: of them. However, it sounds like they're they were trying
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Speaker 1: to create this facade disappearance that things were okay, and
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Speaker 1: clearly things were not okay. Well, another thing, Joe, as
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Speaker 1: Jude to Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is
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Speaker 1: married with the family will have children, to take care of, jobs,
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Speaker 1: financial pressures. Uh. And she certainly was never accused of
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Speaker 1: having uh sex relationship with anybody else. So why does
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Speaker 1: she go missing and what does all of that have
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Speaker 1: to do with her body being discovered, and I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this much to Joseph Scott, Morgan and Alan
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Speaker 1: Duke in l A Jackie Howard here in the studio,
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Speaker 1: Jackie's shaking her head. Yes to this, Alan, Joseph, I'll
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Speaker 1: though to you. Joe Scott, I'm sorry, but I just
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Speaker 1: don't think men do as well as good a job
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Speaker 1: as women do raising children. Because every time I have
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Speaker 1: to go out of town, I start getting emails from
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Speaker 1: the children's teachers. They don't have their gym clothes, this
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Speaker 1: and that. They didn't bring this, they didn't bring that.
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Speaker 1: I find out they go to school with nothing but
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Speaker 1: mini muffs in their stomach. You know where those come from,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. They come off the shelf, out of a
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Speaker 1: plastic package. True, they're good, they're intimates. I didn't get
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Speaker 1: paid for that. Those little bitty chocolate chips, and those
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Speaker 1: are treats they have after dinner if they're awesome. That's
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Speaker 1: what John David might get if if I can drag
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Speaker 1: them off fortnight or as we call it, fortnight. Okay, anyway,
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Speaker 1: long story short, that's such a treat that's not breakfast.
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Speaker 1: And I find out I come home their toothbrushes are
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Speaker 1: bone dry. They have even put them in a different
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Speaker 1: places in the bathroom so I can tell if they
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Speaker 1: have been used one time since I have been gone.
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Speaker 1: The cats starving, crying, the dogs laid in the driveway starved,
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Speaker 1: the guinea pigs are beat beat, beep, and everybody starved.
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Speaker 1: The place as a wreck. No, just Scott, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I just don't think men do as well a good
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Speaker 1: at his job as women. And here he is taking
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Speaker 1: care of these two children. Hey, I gotta I gotta
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Speaker 1: stand in proxy. Your wife is listening, just so you know.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I gotta. I gotta stand in
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Speaker 1: proxy for your husband here. Uh, take it easy on us.
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Speaker 1: We bruise. Really, you know what he's saying. You know
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Speaker 1: what he's said when I confront him with two starving,
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Speaker 1: screaming guinea pigs. You know what he says about the children.
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Speaker 1: I say, why didn't the children have their gym clothes?
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Speaker 1: He goes, They're alive, They're alive, they got in school
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Speaker 1: and they're alive. I'm like, that's all you've got to say,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, yes, And I go, you should have exercised.
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Speaker 1: You're right to remain silent. You should have just stayed
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Speaker 1: quiet on that. Okay. Anyway, My point is he's got
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Speaker 1: these two children. So Ellen, how does it go from
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Speaker 1: him taking care of the children and now she's dead
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Speaker 1: goes missing? Allen, Come on fast forward, Allen. We don't
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Speaker 1: know exactly what happened. Police aren't revealing anything about the
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Speaker 1: presumed causes of death. All we know is that this
21:12
Speaker 1: is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.
21:15
Speaker 1: He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is
21:19
Speaker 1: having a lot of success. They have another baby on
21:22
Speaker 1: the way. He could have been under a lot of stress,
21:25
Speaker 1: and he may have felt that his role had been
21:28
Speaker 1: diminished in the family. Like and I'm asking you and
21:32
Speaker 1: don't I'm not concerned about his male ego. Ellen, She's
21:36
Speaker 1: dead and now let me just Q and A with
21:39
Speaker 1: myself here. Isn't it true? Cops believe she was killed
21:43
Speaker 1: in her home and then her body moved to Anna
21:48
Speaker 1: Darko Oil and Gas Drilling properties. Who worked there? May
21:53
Speaker 1: I ask you that, Allen, Who do we know work
21:56
Speaker 1: at Anna Darko Oil and Gas Drilling? Name one person? Chris? What?
22:02
Speaker 1: Thank you? That's what I'm talking about. Dr Michelle Duprie
22:06
Speaker 1: helped me out here pathologists, medical examiner, Doctor Dupree, You
22:12
Speaker 1: know what you and I talk about. When somebody kills,
22:17
Speaker 1: they very often will do it or dispose of the
22:19
Speaker 1: body in a place that they are familiar. And I
22:22
Speaker 1: always point to Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes
22:27
Speaker 1: fishing in San Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes,
22:30
Speaker 1: He golfs and he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and
22:33
Speaker 1: he cheats. It's like rents and repeat on the back
22:36
Speaker 1: of your shampoo. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats.
22:40
Speaker 1: Where is lazy his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor
22:43
Speaker 1: in San Francisco Bay because he's comfy there, he goes
22:47
Speaker 1: and dumps the bodies there. Dr Michelle, you see it
22:49
Speaker 1: over and over exactly, you really do. We love it
22:53
Speaker 1: when they're dumb. Yeah. And here we've got in a
22:57
Speaker 1: dark CoA oil and gas rilling, one of those properties
23:02
Speaker 1: where the husband, Christopher Watts works. And when I come
23:06
Speaker 1: and Joe Scott Morgan, I need expertise from you regarding
23:11
Speaker 1: how they might know the mom and the two little
23:14
Speaker 1: girls were murdered in their own home. This is crime
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Speaker 1: Stories Tipline nine nine two crime nine nine two seven
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Speaker 1: four six three. I called her three, just texted her
23:28
Speaker 1: about their times, just to say, you know, what's going on,
23:32
Speaker 1: Like I didn't god that for that for the after
23:34
Speaker 1: I called her and texted her once, It's like, right,
23:36
Speaker 1: maybe she was just busy, like she had just gotten back,
23:38
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody's probably calling her from her trip.
23:40
Speaker 1: She just got back from Arizona, and I figured just
23:44
Speaker 1: she just busy. But when her friends showed up, that's
23:46
Speaker 1: what it was like, it registered like, all right, this
23:49
Speaker 1: isn't right right now. I don't even want to just
23:51
Speaker 1: like throw anything out there, like I hope that she's
23:55
Speaker 1: somewhere safe right now and with the kids. But I mean,
24:00
Speaker 1: because she event because she's just taken off, I don't know.
24:02
Speaker 1: But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like
24:05
Speaker 1: I want them back now like that that that's what
24:08
Speaker 1: in my head, Like if they're safe right now, they're
24:10
Speaker 1: going to come back. But if they're not safe right now,
24:13
Speaker 1: that's what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're
24:15
Speaker 1: not safe. Last night, I was had every light in
24:18
Speaker 1: the house on. I was hoping that I would just
24:20
Speaker 1: get just ran over by the kids running in the
24:22
Speaker 1: door and just like barrel rushing me. But it didn't happen,
24:25
Speaker 1: and it was just a traumatic night trying to be here. Okay,
24:29
Speaker 1: there you're hearing the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for the
24:32
Speaker 1: public's help. I gotta tell you something to forensics expert,
24:36
Speaker 1: Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author
24:40
Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet. You know the title like that,
24:43
Speaker 1: I just want to read it right now, Joe Scott Morgan. Anyway,
24:46
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how do they where do you believe they're
24:50
Speaker 1: getting the evidence to support the theory that mommy and
24:53
Speaker 1: the two little girls were killed in the home and
24:55
Speaker 1: then their bodies moved to this obscure drilling location. Two
25:01
Speaker 1: the things that we look for Nancy are going to be,
25:03
Speaker 1: and this is generally blanket statements that you'll see in
25:06
Speaker 1: a death investigation report, evidence of forced entry, struggle. And
25:11
Speaker 1: also is there any evidence of of physical evidence that's
25:17
Speaker 1: left behind relative of things like blood evidence. The police
25:22
Speaker 1: are keeping a very tight little on this as far
25:24
Speaker 1: as what they're releasing to this point, and I applauded
25:26
Speaker 1: them for that. But if you were if I were
25:29
Speaker 1: to speculate at this point, it would be something like
25:32
Speaker 1: blood evidence and the point of origin of this How
25:35
Speaker 1: how did we come to this point where blood would
25:38
Speaker 1: be distributed, for instance in a house? Uh? Was there
25:42
Speaker 1: was it evidence that that they were killed in one
25:45
Speaker 1: spot and then the bodies? Perhaps just Scott Morgan, it
25:51
Speaker 1: could be cybers hold on, hold on getting a call
25:54
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. Uh, let's go straight out to the lines
25:58
Speaker 1: crime ray in Atlanta. What's your tip question or theory? Hey, listen, Nancy,
26:06
Speaker 1: you have got to stop immediately blaming the husband on
26:09
Speaker 1: these things. Now. You look, we've debated this for years.
26:12
Speaker 1: First of all, you need to be at work and
26:14
Speaker 1: not listening to the radio number one. But but go ahead,
26:19
Speaker 1: because you you get me and I'm aggravated and that's
26:21
Speaker 1: why I'm I'm doing this. Now listen. One thing that
26:24
Speaker 1: it does do, and I think you will agree with
26:26
Speaker 1: this in your many years of experience, when the focus
26:29
Speaker 1: is on whom almost everybody assumes, it harms law enforcement.
26:34
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why law enforcement in some of
26:36
Speaker 1: these cases just wants to sit back and lift the
26:40
Speaker 1: In some cases, the husband or the partner at the fool,
26:43
Speaker 1: go to the funeral, make the statements try to cover
26:46
Speaker 1: up evidence, and it just makes a better case for
26:48
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Additionally, for US criminal defense lawyers, if the
26:53
Speaker 1: immediate and full focus is on this number one suspect,
26:57
Speaker 1: it gives us some play in the defense, like, hey, enforcement,
27:00
Speaker 1: you never even looked at the gardener or the guy
27:04
Speaker 1: that you had an argument with last week, or this
27:06
Speaker 1: guy that's been flirting with her online. You went right
27:09
Speaker 1: to my client, no, no holds barred. So again, the
27:13
Speaker 1: initial focus on someone who has presumed innocent until proven
27:16
Speaker 1: guilty has some flaws in the prosecution of the case.
27:21
Speaker 1: You know, Ray, don't you need to be somewhere right now,
27:24
Speaker 1: like in court or at your office, or with your
27:27
Speaker 1: feet kicked up, smoking your cigar, cashing that fat paycheck
27:30
Speaker 1: you get from that law firm. You know, Ray, it's
27:33
Speaker 1: not just me claiming the husband did it? What? What
27:38
Speaker 1: didn't you used to be a long time ago before
27:40
Speaker 1: you went to the dark side. Didn't you used to
27:42
Speaker 1: be a prosecutor? And do I have that wrong? But
27:46
Speaker 1: then I saw the light. Then you saw the paycheck.
27:50
Speaker 1: You saw the paycheck, rayed you to chay, That's what
27:52
Speaker 1: happened with you. You're always laving that little pocket copy
27:56
Speaker 1: of the Constitution around the differences I read it. Okay,
28:00
Speaker 1: these folks are entitled to the presumption of innocence. Oh, now,
28:04
Speaker 1: I know you're in trouble when you start dragging the
28:06
Speaker 1: presumption of innocence out of the moth balls. Listen, I'm
28:09
Speaker 1: not just blaming him because he's the husband. I'm blaming
28:12
Speaker 1: him because he's the last one with her at t
28:15
Speaker 1: a m. When she gets out of town, because she
28:18
Speaker 1: has to go out of town to work and make
28:20
Speaker 1: a living to support the family. She's got two little
28:24
Speaker 1: babies at home too, little girl's Belt and Celeste, and
28:27
Speaker 1: she's pregnant. This woman is not just gonna run out
28:31
Speaker 1: to meet some other man. Plus, it's two o'clock in
28:34
Speaker 1: the morning. He's there until five am when he goes
28:38
Speaker 1: to work at some oil and a dark oil and
28:41
Speaker 1: drilling company. And guess where her body has just been
28:45
Speaker 1: found raised due to chay guess. And I've been following
28:51
Speaker 1: the story, and so I agree with you. On a
28:54
Speaker 1: property where the husband's business does drilling, it's certainly would
29:00
Speaker 1: make him a person of interest. It would certainly make
29:03
Speaker 1: him a person at law enforce. It wants to speak
29:07
Speaker 1: with thoroughly do. His timeline may lead to it may,
29:13
Speaker 1: but but that information. Listen, you remember Richard Jewel, the
29:17
Speaker 1: alleged Olympics bomber cover of Time magazine as the the
29:22
Speaker 1: you know, the evil guy, wrong, wrong man. You had
29:26
Speaker 1: to dig deep, didn't You had to go all the
29:28
Speaker 1: way back to what was that the Olympics to find
29:33
Speaker 1: an example of somebody that was charged. It was in
29:36
Speaker 1: that's digging deep, right While I was, I was trying
29:39
Speaker 1: to find something from your elementary school days that you
29:43
Speaker 1: would remember back in back in school, and I believe
29:46
Speaker 1: that was about the second grade when that happened. So
29:49
Speaker 1: bottom line, what's your advice? And the large jet So
29:53
Speaker 1: you're arguing against he's the last person with her. I
29:57
Speaker 1: guess you want to drag out his last statement that
30:00
Speaker 1: he made his public statement, I love the baby already
30:03
Speaker 1: looking at the little baby boys sonogram. Now you know, Ray,
30:08
Speaker 1: there's an unborn baby. There's Celeste Aella. Now you know
30:13
Speaker 1: what if you if he was my client, he would
30:18
Speaker 1: be duct tapes and in a closet in my law
30:20
Speaker 1: office and not making these kind of statements. Look, I
30:23
Speaker 1: agree with you. Uh, this is a guy that law
30:26
Speaker 1: enforcement should absolutely focus on but build their case slowly
30:31
Speaker 1: and steadily. You know, there there's a timeline, there's physical events,
30:35
Speaker 1: and you know also nowadays there are so many cameras, uh,
30:39
Speaker 1: so many ways to track vehicles. I mean, I just
30:42
Speaker 1: was involved in a case where we're able to clear
30:45
Speaker 1: my client through an alibi that he wasn't at the
30:48
Speaker 1: scene of a crime from an A t M camera
30:50
Speaker 1: on the other side of town where he actually was
30:53
Speaker 1: using the A t M to withdraw some money, and
30:55
Speaker 1: so we had a time stamp. We had video of
30:57
Speaker 1: him putting in his card and getting his two at
31:00
Speaker 1: the same time. It was alleged he was cross town
31:03
Speaker 1: and if you know, Atlanta, getting cross towny and easy.
31:06
Speaker 1: So there are so many ways to track this the murderer,
31:11
Speaker 1: whoever it may be. I would bet you there's security
31:14
Speaker 1: cameras around this oil refinery. Those are places nowadays that
31:18
Speaker 1: are high security because of terrorist risks and other things.
31:22
Speaker 1: Cell phones can be tracked to the cell towers. I
31:26
Speaker 1: think I just saw something on the news the other
31:28
Speaker 1: day that Google has a tracking system that they haven't
31:30
Speaker 1: told us about that we all have in our phones.
31:34
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm so not concerned about Google tracking me. Uh,
31:38
Speaker 1: they'll track me from one crime scene to the next,
31:41
Speaker 1: to the elementary school, to the grocery store, to a
31:44
Speaker 1: crime scene to the house. You know, blah blah blah,
31:47
Speaker 1: track me go ahead. I'd be mad if you didn't.
31:51
Speaker 1: You know what right you were talking about? How do
31:52
Speaker 1: you want this guy duct tape and hidden under your
31:55
Speaker 1: desk at your office? Will take a listen to this
31:58
Speaker 1: perfect I got the lady from Arizona because like other
32:01
Speaker 1: storms around the nation, so she's supposed to get home
32:04
Speaker 1: like eleven. She got home at She came home from
32:07
Speaker 1: the airport two am, and I left around five fifteen.
32:11
Speaker 1: She was still here and like about twelve ten in
32:15
Speaker 1: that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up at the door.
32:18
Speaker 1: Like I had texted a few times that day, I
32:20
Speaker 1: called her, say, you know, but she never got back
32:23
Speaker 1: to me. But she doesn't get back to any of
32:24
Speaker 1: her people as well. And that's what really concerned a
32:27
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's like she's not getting back to
32:28
Speaker 1: her but like she doesn't get back to me, that's fine,
32:30
Speaker 1: Like she gets based during the day, but she get
32:32
Speaker 1: back through people, which was very concerning. And Nicole called
32:34
Speaker 1: me when she was at the door, and that's when
32:36
Speaker 1: they came home and then walked in the house and
32:40
Speaker 1: nothing has vanished. Nothing was here. I mean she wasn't
32:43
Speaker 1: She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, No nobody was here.
32:47
Speaker 1: I just want them back. I just I just want
32:50
Speaker 1: them to come. And if if they're not safe right now,
32:54
Speaker 1: that's what's that's what's tearing me apart, because if they
32:57
Speaker 1: are safe, they're come back. But if they're not, this
33:00
Speaker 1: is this has got to stop, Like somebody has to
33:01
Speaker 1: come forward. You are hearing the sound of husband and father,
33:05
Speaker 1: thirty three year old Christopher Watts, begging for the return
33:09
Speaker 1: of his wife, Shannon Is, two little children, Bella and Celeste,
33:14
Speaker 1: and his unborn baby boy. And just before that, he
33:20
Speaker 1: had posted loving messages to wife Shannon when she sends
33:26
Speaker 1: him an ultrasound showing the progress of their third baby.
33:31
Speaker 1: Quote little peanut, exclamation, exclamation, love her slash him already,
33:37
Speaker 1: he wrote in response to seeing that ultrasound image. Now
33:41
Speaker 1: she the loving wife shares the exchange on Facebook the
33:45
Speaker 1: very same day, quote I love Chris. He's the best
33:48
Speaker 1: dad us girls could ask for. Right now that husband
33:54
Speaker 1: Christopher Watts under suspicion and the disappearance and death of
33:58
Speaker 1: his wife and two children. The police remaining tight lip
34:02
Speaker 1: regarding the cause of death, but we are hearing from
34:05
Speaker 1: police sources they do believe Shannon and the two baby
34:10
Speaker 1: girls were murdered in the home. Their bodies disposed of
34:14
Speaker 1: at an obscure drilling location with the oil company. The
34:20
Speaker 1: dad worked with Anna Darko. Listen to this. At this point,
34:26
Speaker 1: we have been able to recover a body that we're
34:29
Speaker 1: quite certain is Shannan Wat's body. We have strong reason
34:36
Speaker 1: to believe that we know where the bodies of the
34:38
Speaker 1: children are and recovery efforts are in process on that
34:42
Speaker 1: and in the last hours a stunning development in the
34:46
Speaker 1: search and the discovery of those bodies. Take a listen
34:50
Speaker 1: to the police Sergeant Ian Albert there in Frederick, Colorado,
34:55
Speaker 1: to give you some background. The Frederic Police Department received
34:58
Speaker 1: a missing person call it just be excuse me just
35:00
Speaker 1: before two pm on Monday, Augusten. Our agency launched an investigation,
35:06
Speaker 1: conducting interviews neighborhood canvases in an effort to locate Shenan
35:11
Speaker 1: and the two girls, Bella and celest We also contacted
35:16
Speaker 1: the FBI and the CBI to assist in this case,
35:19
Speaker 1: in addition to providing investigative agents and crime scene responders.
35:23
Speaker 1: Missing excuse me, A missing danger alert was announced on
35:26
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Frederic P. D conducted additional canvases were flyers
35:32
Speaker 1: featuring Shenan, Celestie and Bella were distributed to Revy. Finally,
35:36
Speaker 1: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband, Chris Watts,
35:40
Speaker 1: was taken into custody and was transported to the well
35:42
Speaker 1: Kenny Jail just after the PM last night. He is
35:46
Speaker 1: currently scheduled for a volunteering later today. And there you
35:48
Speaker 1: have it. The husband has just been for arrested. There
35:52
Speaker 1: will be a bond hearing regarding this case. The wife
35:56
Speaker 1: and the two little girls. Dad, I've got a theory,
36:00
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, and I'm gonna think about, uh what
36:04
Speaker 1: you and Dr Michelle Dupre medical examiner I have to
36:08
Speaker 1: say on this. He's alone with the girls for several
36:11
Speaker 1: days while mommy's out of town working bringing in all
36:14
Speaker 1: the money she comes home. Has he already killed the girls?
36:20
Speaker 1: Because um, if you're having an argument with the mom,
36:26
Speaker 1: why why killed the children too? How would we be
36:29
Speaker 1: able to tell that from the crime scene Joseph Scott Morgan.
36:36
Speaker 1: What what's going to happen, Nancy, is You're gonna couple
36:40
Speaker 1: the findings at the crime scene relative to UH if
36:45
Speaker 1: these if these children had been down for several days,
36:48
Speaker 1: there might be evidence of the fact that, as hard
36:51
Speaker 1: as it is to say, that these kids may have
36:53
Speaker 1: begun to decompose in the house at some point in time.
36:57
Speaker 1: And then you couple that, you couple that with any
37:00
Speaker 1: kind of what are referred to as postmortum changes that
37:03
Speaker 1: have taken place in the bodies, and they find them
37:07
Speaker 1: out at the scene at this Anta Darko UH refinery
37:11
Speaker 1: or I think that it's probably natural gas wellheads. This
37:14
Speaker 1: is a vast area that he would have knowledge of, Nancy,
37:18
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be very important to this case. UH.
37:21
Speaker 1: And so this this is all going to tie back
37:24
Speaker 1: together with what happened in that period of time when
37:29
Speaker 1: she when these kids were last seen and when they
37:33
Speaker 1: were found, coupled with the findings on her body, because
37:37
Speaker 1: the two times the timelines are not going to be
37:41
Speaker 1: the same, all right, Because if she comes home and
37:44
Speaker 1: these kids are missing, an argument ensues, maybe he's already
37:48
Speaker 1: gotten rid of the kids. Maybe he's already killed the kids.
37:50
Speaker 1: At this point, her body, for lack of a better term,
37:54
Speaker 1: will be fresher than these poor little angels. Dude. Dr
37:59
Speaker 1: Michelle do Free pathologist and medical examiner. Specifically, how would
38:05
Speaker 1: I be able to prove if Watts murdered the two
38:09
Speaker 1: children first? And then the wife comes home from out
38:13
Speaker 1: of town and he how would I be able to
38:14
Speaker 1: prove that? Or could I? Yes? And we should be
38:19
Speaker 1: able to prove that. And again, as what was just said,
38:23
Speaker 1: we look at the state of the body and by
38:25
Speaker 1: comparison we can tell um who died earlier than the
38:29
Speaker 1: other by the postmortem changes. We also look at the
38:32
Speaker 1: totality of circumstances, and we look at the crime scene itself.
38:36
Speaker 1: There may be clues there. Um. We can look at
38:38
Speaker 1: blood pooling, we can look at different forensic evidence um
38:41
Speaker 1: to to help us determine those things. And then we
38:43
Speaker 1: put it all together. But mostly the key is going
38:46
Speaker 1: to be looking at both bodies and compare them. Christopher Once,
38:51
Speaker 1: the husband, says the last time he saw his wife
38:53
Speaker 1: was at five fift a m. When he leaves for work.
38:58
Speaker 1: He also says the two stayed up late, having an
39:01
Speaker 1: emotional conversation after she got home from out of town
39:05
Speaker 1: at one a m. Late night, sounds like a red
39:09
Speaker 1: eye flight back home. He says he got worried when
39:12
Speaker 1: she did not reply to a text messages that morning,
39:16
Speaker 1: and then he began to panic after a friend came
39:20
Speaker 1: to the home around noontime and there was no answer.
39:24
Speaker 1: Shannan was fifteen weeks pregnant, carrying a baby boy who
39:30
Speaker 1: she planned to name Nico. At this hour, Christopher Watt's,
39:35
Speaker 1: a husband, is being held without bill in the World
39:39
Speaker 1: County Jail. He's due in court for a bond hearing.
39:44
Speaker 1: No formal charges have been filed. He was arrested our
39:47
Speaker 1: accounts of murder and three counts of tampering with evidence.
39:53
Speaker 1: Ellen Colaura, an investigative journalist with Crime online dot Com.
39:58
Speaker 1: I assume the three tampering cases deal with moving the bodies.
40:06
Speaker 1: That would certainly be the implication. And I'm also seeing,
40:10
Speaker 1: and this is really horrible, but I'm also seeing that
40:13
Speaker 1: the bodies of the girls, presumably the two little girls,
40:18
Speaker 1: were found inside an oil container or an oil fat
40:24
Speaker 1: and I've seen speculation that that could have been done
40:27
Speaker 1: intentionally to conceal any smell. Oh Ellen Ellen, that's a
40:36
Speaker 1: new fact for me. And you know, I was trying
40:40
Speaker 1: to put together a photo album uh late last night
40:44
Speaker 1: because I'm so so far behind, and then I got
40:48
Speaker 1: to looking at photos, Ellen, and then I ended up
40:51
Speaker 1: with the children at ages two and three. You know,
40:53
Speaker 1: that's a long time ago, and they're so tiny. They're
40:59
Speaker 1: so tiny, And to think of those little children down
41:04
Speaker 1: in oil vat. Is that what you said, some type
41:07
Speaker 1: of a vat, Yeah, an oil container on oil that yeah,
41:12
Speaker 1: but whatever he gets filled with oil. The CBI Colorado
41:17
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation saith Arties found the body of Shennan
41:22
Speaker 1: Watts three days after she was reported missing on property
41:27
Speaker 1: owned by Anna Darko Petroleum, where the husband worked. He
41:30
Speaker 1: has since been released from his job. At the time
41:36
Speaker 1: they found her body, I recall e K that they
41:40
Speaker 1: mentioned something about having strong reason to believe they know
41:43
Speaker 1: where the bodies of the two daughters, Bella and Celeste are.
41:47
Speaker 1: They didn't find them in the same place as the mom. Ellen,
41:51
Speaker 1: mm hmm. That's great, Um, And we don't know what
41:56
Speaker 1: that means in terms of the timeline, but I think
41:58
Speaker 1: that a couple that that coupled with the fact that
42:01
Speaker 1: he reportedly gave a confession. That's less of them. How
42:05
Speaker 1: they found the bodies, It seems to me that that's
42:07
Speaker 1: that he led them. And interesting. She didn't show up
42:10
Speaker 1: for a daughter's appointment, didn't answer her phone, and it
42:13
Speaker 1: was a friend who called police after the friend finds
42:16
Speaker 1: a cellphone, person keys in the home. Right now we
42:21
Speaker 1: are waiting for justice to her fould. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
42:26
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend.