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09/14/26 - Hour 3 · The Huddle

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  Speaker 1: You know, prisoners on a Monday in the good land,
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• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Wayne Larravee, gonna join us about a half hour from now.
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  Speaker 1: Can't wait to get his insights into what happened yesterday.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Packers with another second half meltdown. And a season opening loss.
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  Speaker 1: The season began the same way the last season ended,
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  Speaker 1: with a meltdown. And it's been a trend. The Packers
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  Speaker 1: have lost six games in a row for the first
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  Speaker 1: time since the pre-Brett Favre era. Yeah, and one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite Paul Allen highlights that I was hoping to
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  Speaker 1: be able to play here today in the Chalice of
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Tears says, the season can't end like this. Well, it
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  Speaker 1: ended like this and then starts like this, where you
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  Speaker 1: have a lead. You seemingly are in control of the game,
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  Speaker 1: albeit defensively. very loosely in control of the game, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're up two scores, but at no point
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  Speaker 1: did it feel like the line of scrimmage was really
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  Speaker 1: being controlled by you. You had big plays, but in
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  Speaker 1: the first half, I think at one point it was
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  Speaker 1: like 18 to seven time of possession and you were
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  Speaker 1: still winning the game handily. So the scoreboard was weirdly
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  Speaker 1: never fully reminiscent of how the game was being played.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't feel like at any point.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a true validator as to what we were
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  Speaker 1: seeing and And ultimately, the 39 points by the Vikings,
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  Speaker 1: I think, is a little bit more lopsided. The game
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  Speaker 1: ultimately was. Line of scrimmage where you were dominated for
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  Speaker 1: the majority of the night.
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  Speaker 2: I have to agree, Billy.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the PTSD of the way we've lost these
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  Speaker 1: most recent games, but it didn't feel super comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you had the lead.
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  Speaker 1: At 12 points at one point, but the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it could have been more in a lot of those drives,
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  Speaker 1: and we touched on that earlier, Drew, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't punch it in for touchdowns in some of those,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't take the put, it never
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  Speaker 1: felt super comfortable, and maybe that's just the way it'll
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  Speaker 1: feel for a while because.
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  Speaker 2: we've lost these leads.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe like nothing would feel comfortable i'm not really
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  Speaker 1: sure but do i need to check myself because i
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  Speaker 1: keep throwing it out there that they've lost six in
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  Speaker 1: a row which is true but is there an asterisk
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't play anybody in minnesota last year yeah
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  Speaker 1: the clayton tune game the week 18 it was 16
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  Speaker 1: to 3 clayton tune started.
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  Speaker 2: Like That was a white flag.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a loss, but that was a preseason game. Come on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'd still throw it in there, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: also the guy that counts home runs that you hit
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  Speaker 1: off a position player.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. To me, it happened.
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  Speaker 1: And this is another one that it happens in front
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  Speaker 1: of you where you got plenty of opportunities to put
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  Speaker 1: the game away and instead just didn't breathe more life
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  Speaker 1: into the Vikings and more life into your doubters and
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  Speaker 1: skeptics of the entire 2026.
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  Speaker 2: The numbers in fourth quarters and overtime. Our friend Andy
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  Speaker 2: Herman posted this. Come on, Andy. Denver outscored the Packers 7-3. Chicago, 19-3.
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  Speaker 1: Yikes.
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  Speaker 2: Baltimore, 14-0.
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  Speaker 1: Chicago, 25-6.
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  Speaker 2: And yesterday, Minnesota, 22-0. Combined, 87-12.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the funny thing is, Drew, I actually thought
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  Speaker 1: about doing that yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: And then even my sick, twisted self thought, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we just leave that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we just don't add up all of the fourth quarters.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, it ended up being worse than I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was going to.
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  Speaker 1: Because I didn't realize it was a 14-0 spread in
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  Speaker 1: the Baltimore game because I think we all felt that
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  Speaker 1: game was punted by halftime. NFL stands for not for long.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a league and an enterprise that lends itself
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  Speaker 1: to gross overreactions and proclamations, right?
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  Speaker 2: We're getting a lot of them in our comments, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But the standings right now The Bears, Vikings, and Lions
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  Speaker 1: are all 1-0. Packers are 0-1. Packers are going to
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  Speaker 1: face the Jets. J-E-T-S. Jets, Jets, Jets. We take nothing
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  Speaker 1: for granted. Take nothing for granted. But I'd rather have
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  Speaker 1: that game. Minnesota is going to Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: One of them is going to lose.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh. And the Lions are traveling to Buffalo to open
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  Speaker 1: the Bills Stadium on Thursday night. On a short week
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday night. After they just gave up 30 points
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  Speaker 1: in the span of about 12 minutes yesterday. One week
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  Speaker 1: from today, our outlook will be completely different.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless of what the Packers do, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: completely different.
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  Speaker 1: But we would hope the Packers take care of business
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  Speaker 1: against the Jets and we're feeling a little bit better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you sure hope so. And the first four weeks is
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  Speaker 1: going to be, and we've talked about it now for
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  Speaker 1: the last six weeks, so to after result number one.
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  Speaker 1: Not once again rubber stamp the fact that the first
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  Speaker 1: three to four weeks of the regular season are.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of an extension of the preseason. Sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm ready for these next 16 regular season games.
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  Speaker 1: Because that was definitely a game in which you were
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  Speaker 1: trying a bunch of different things. albeit with your number
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  Speaker 1: one guys and Tucker Kraft getting some run, not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the full run that I anticipate he'll get throughout the
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  Speaker 1: entire season. He got to unwrap that cool Johnny Smith toy,
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  Speaker 1: which was fun to be able to see. Christian Watson
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  Speaker 1: and Matthew Golden were good. Felt like it took Golden
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of time to be able to
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  Speaker 1: get going. Would like to see Jaden Reed touch the
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  Speaker 1: ball a little bit more. Maybe that was scheme dependent.
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  Speaker 1: Also just misfire on one play that ultimately could have
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  Speaker 1: also helped you out in terms of what and how
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  Speaker 1: the last 15 minutes go. When they misfired to read
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  Speaker 1: in front of the two minutes, just trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more off and try to grab a
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  Speaker 1: field goal instead. So there's a lot of frustrating and
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  Speaker 1: disappointing parts to it. But you have to grab some
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  Speaker 1: of the positives because there's 16 more of these things
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  Speaker 1: going through. You were able to move the ball through
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  Speaker 1: the air. This offense is going to be able to score.
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  Speaker 1: You just got to be able to throw some change-ups
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  Speaker 1: in here. And I know it sounds... Tough when pass
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  Speaker 1: blocking is the one that we all watch be the
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  Speaker 1: biggest issue, but you got to try to run the
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  Speaker 1: ball a little bit more because he got to be
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  Speaker 1: able to throw a change up at these rushes. It's
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  Speaker 1: so true, Billy, because you look at the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have balance and it felt like an avalanche
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  Speaker 1: against your passing game, but you're right. You look up
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  Speaker 1: and you look at the numbers and you say, that's
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  Speaker 1: how good it can be. But that's how good it
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  Speaker 1: can be without great protection, without great balance. But the
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  Speaker 1: one thing they did have is explosive plays last night,
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  Speaker 1: which they value a lot and which really matter in
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  Speaker 1: this league. It just wasn't enough to win. But if
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: you do hold on to the fact that you can
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  Speaker 1: develop some of those, and you had 419 total yards
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  Speaker 1: last night. You obviously have potential for growth there, and
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  Speaker 1: you obviously have potential for good things. If you can
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  Speaker 1: clean it up, and you said, Billy, it's so true,
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  Speaker 1: establish some sort of running game. Maybe you just have
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  Speaker 1: to stick with it more and go through the growing
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  Speaker 1: pains of it while you're trying to establish it because
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  Speaker 1: you kind of have to keep digging the hole to
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  Speaker 1: make it actually go through.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just the way it goes. They had
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  Speaker 2: some good moments.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Marshaun Lloyd had a couple pops last night,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately not enough to affect the game, obviously. Who's
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: our current electric superhero of the day? Because Christian Watson
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: was our Great Clips Great Player of the Game yesterday
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  Speaker 1: on Packers OT. We need to go in a different direction.
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  Speaker 1: Should we give it to Bobby Gasser, who pitched pretty
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  Speaker 1: well again? And, you know, Robert Gasser?
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  Speaker 2: I like Robert Gasser.
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  Speaker 1: I like Abu Sama, a 72-yard touchdown run to start
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  Speaker 1: it out for the Badgers against the Leathernecks. But I
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  Speaker 1: like Bobby Gasser because, Drew, he is making a push
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  Speaker 1: to potentially be one of these cats that you're putting
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  Speaker 1: in this rotation in the postseason, right?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Like Dustin May going to be in there. But when
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  Speaker 1: you go to the NLCS, especially I haven't forecasted enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to live in the moment. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: not put the cart ahead of the horse too fast.
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  Speaker 1: But I haven't looked at the full off days in
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  Speaker 1: that NLCS. He might have to go at four, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like the thought that you're going to be able to
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: go with three starters in the NLCS in the seven-game series,
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  Speaker 1: you might have to go with four. And nobody's raising
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  Speaker 1: their hand other than Gasser at this moment to try
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  Speaker 1: to take that spot. So, yeah, callcurrent.com, the website, Current Electric.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: They've got superheroes on the side of the vans driving
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: around the Milwaukee area and superheroes inside, the technicians who
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: are working hard for you are Current Electric superheroes.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, Bobby Gasser. Watson was in the discussion.
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  Speaker 4: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of Badgers you could mention. You could throw
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  Speaker 2: a couple of guys in there.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: You could throw Garrett Mitchell in the conversation for hitting
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: the first grand slam of the 2026 season for the Brewers.
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  Speaker 2: How about that 20-0 victory on Friday? That was nice.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like a month ago.
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  Speaker 1: So we're sitting in Section 108, and my little guy
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  Speaker 1: fell asleep in the fourth inning. The fifth inning is
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: the inning where they get all the runs. The top
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: of the fifth inning, I believe, is when... Luis Lara
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  Speaker 1: has the ridiculous home run robbery against Suarez.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Which out of the entire just highlight tape that this
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  Speaker 1: dude has put together in his short time in the
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  Speaker 1: big leagues, it might be the sickest catch I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: And also the funniest reaction from not only.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: Luis Lara, but the rest of the baseball.
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  Speaker 4: Diamond you get. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You get Garrett Mitchell's face of what on earth was that?
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  Speaker 1: His wife saying, I remember when you used to look
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  Speaker 1: at me like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Six months pregnant.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: Listen, he's going to look at you a lot like
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: that when you have that one month old, all right?
• 9:09
  Speaker 4: And then the.
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  Speaker 1: Look at me and put the hands out by Luis Lara.
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  Speaker 1: And then the umpires that are thinking my man's celebrating like.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't catch the baseball. What a bunch of bulls. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you ain't no Suarez. Just trotting around.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I hit a dinger.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Got all the way around the bases. What were they watching?
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  Speaker 2: And he threw the ball in.
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  Speaker 4: What were they watching?
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: I was so confused by that. He threw the ball
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  Speaker 2: in quite late. He did, but if you're watching the thing.
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  Speaker 2: He hung on to it for a while.
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  Speaker 4: He hung on to it.
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  Speaker 2: For a while. I understand that.
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  Speaker 4: He did.
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  Speaker 1: And it was unusual, but the ball wasn't over the fence.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you're not seeing it as an umpire,
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  Speaker 1: but it was so funny, the reaction from everybody. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: he caught the ball.
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  Speaker 2: He threw it in. Is anyone going to acknowledge that?
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  Speaker 2: It was just funny to me. It was a bizarre thing.
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  Speaker 2: It was an amazing catch, though. But what a spectacle
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  Speaker 2: that was at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I i gotta say even the even the um some
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  Speaker 1: of the people were like why is he celebrating i'm
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  Speaker 1: like he just caught the ball over the fence like
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: what do you want me to do pop it up
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  Speaker 1: in the air right away and throw it back he
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: took an extra second like you've been there before come
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  Speaker 1: on that bothered me so much hit the uh hit
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  Speaker 1: the to standing right there on midfield oh yeah arms
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  Speaker 1: out in the air it was good man it was
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: sweet All.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Big Bubs, we get it.
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  Speaker 4: You're mad.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Big Bubs, 22-14 is mad, everybody. He just
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: sent 15 texts in. Come on, Bubs.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: What's happening, brother? Oh, we did get beautiful robbery.
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  Speaker 4: That was good. It was.
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  Speaker 2: What are you talking about, Ms. Hendel May?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't pitch yesterday, so that was part of that. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about the playoff rotation.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 2: Bubs, you're right.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: For the five-game series, it's absolutely Ms. Henderson May. Dustin
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: may probably lock that up with his start there in
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: that 20-0 game. But I struggle to think when you
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: go into a seven-game series that you're not going with
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  Speaker 1: a fourth guy.
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  Speaker 2: Or if it is a piggyback situation, but he's definitely
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  Speaker 2: going to be a part.
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  Speaker 3: Of it now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they'll go with an opener or piggybacks.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Harrison and gasser.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: Harrison on your roster i mean you brought that up
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  Speaker 1: last week i don't know man when this point but
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: then again they tried to throw him in with the
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: softest landing of all time and instead he crashed in
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: i'm old enough to remember when you know contraris was
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: not hot and trurio was not hot and it's like
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: the game is freaks man going into the playoffs last
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  Speaker 1: year but yeah he has been he has been struggling
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: maybe if it's a matchup thing and you want a
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: lefty i'm not really sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember ms not being able to generating.
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  Speaker 4: Out, though.
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  Speaker 2: He was struggling, but you're right. It wasn't this bad.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely wasn't this bad.
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  Speaker 1: And you kind of figured his stuff was going to
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: have to play at some point in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: At least I did.
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  Speaker 1: Although there were a lot of people that were saying, oh,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: he can't be in the playoff roster. I remember that
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  Speaker 1: last year. I'm like, well, I think he has to
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: be with that fastball. I think he had to take
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: that chance. Harrison doesn't have that type of stuff to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's no choice but to leave him in.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows what's going to happen? We still have a
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  Speaker 2: couple weeks here.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: Ron and Stalas, humble brag, the last two Brewers games
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: I've been to, they've outscored their opponents 42 to nothing.
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  Speaker 1: The Seattle 22 to nothing game and Friday's 20 to
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  Speaker 1: nothing game. Hey, Ron, you should be going to the
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  Speaker 1: playoff games. I was going to say, can we get
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: Ron a ticket? Can we get him a press pass?
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  Speaker 1: Can we figure out how to get him in there?
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  Speaker 4: Come on now.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Big Bubs is still going. Packer fans, learn you some football.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, guys. I like Big Bubs.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: Dude, come on now. Shame on the weak media, local media.
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: Blame me.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: I blame fans sometimes, so blame me. I'm fine.
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Desi.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Burner phone, who dis? Firing anything we can get in.
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll spin through a little Who's Hot,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Who's Not, presented by Donovan Jorgensen, and we're approaching our
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to the voice of the Packers, Wayne Larive,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: who's going to join us in about 20 minutes from
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: You're in the huddle. Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin. Now, here's
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of candidates for who's hot and who's not.
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  Speaker 4: Who do you got?
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, who's hot would be Josh Allen as they
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: finally win them being the Buffalo Bills. As they go
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: down to Houston, it had not been a comfortable spot
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: as they roll to Reliant Stadium. And he had caught
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: four straight L's against D'Amico Ryan's defense. 36 points in
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  Speaker 1: Joe Brady's debut. Bills win 334 yards through the air
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  Speaker 1: for Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: He had two touchdowns. through the air, also ran for
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: a pair as well.
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  Speaker 1: But also hot in that game, a former Lion, David Montgomery,
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: in his debut as a Houston Texan.
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  Speaker 2: 20 carries for 60 yards.
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  Speaker 1: Not great for a three-yard per carry average, but when
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  Speaker 1: you punch in two touchdowns on the ground and one
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  Speaker 1: through the air, three catches for 19 yards and a score,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: he had three TDs. Hat trick not enough as Houston
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: loses to Buffalo. They did start the season 0-3 a
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: year ago. My main man Trevor Lawrence, 18-23 for four
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  Speaker 1: scores yesterday, and they just beat the absolute piss out
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: of the poor Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: Todd Monk and company, there's no chance.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just getting absolutely drummed from play number one.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: The first two series, I did have to check this
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: just to make sure because my red zone was kind
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: of jumping around yesterday. Drew, do you want to guess
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: how the first couple of series offensively went for the
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns this season? Um.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even hazard a guess.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Let me give you the first half drive chart. First series,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: five plays, pick. Three plays, four yards, punt. Three plays,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: minus eight yards, punt. Two plays, six yards, fumble. Five plays,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: 15 yards, punt. Five plays, 15 yards, end of the half,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: down 24-0. And that's almost more disappointing than being a
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Mets fan. Being a Browns fan is a definite not
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: category one. How about the hot category for the Baltimore
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Ravens and Derrick Henry? 24 touches, a buck 44, and
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: three TDs for Derrick Henry yesterday. Jonathan Taylor was nothing
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: to sneeze at as well. He went for 98 yards
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: and two touchdowns as well for the Colts, but they
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: lose it 41 to 23 on Saturday night.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Not sure where to roll with this. It was a.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Not hot start. It was extremely hot in Austin, Texas.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Heat advisory hot throughout the last three weeks hot. And
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: then it was real hot if you're an Ohio State
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Buckeye for the first three quarters.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: They were up 23-3. They end up losing 24-23.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: And then Steve Sarkeesian, after not being able to, they
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: had some technical difficulties, having to wait at halftime and
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: being frustrated and angry, blows off Holly Rowe in the postgame.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: And that's just not a hot response after your team
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: has maybe the best win of your entire time at Texas.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: My man just holds one L on the way out.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: And instead, we should be talking about the good things
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: for Texas. And instead, now Steve Sarkeesian makes a jerk
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: out of himself. Made himself the story by being a
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: jerk and didn't have to do that. I understand he
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: had to wait because of the tech dip.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: You don't have to embarrass Holly Roll like that either.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: A true professional. And the thing about that is, you're right, Billy.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: You said exactly right. You just changed the storyline from
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: how great your comeback was, how great your coaching was,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: how colossal it was to... Look what this clown did
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: in the postgame. So I don't get it, man. Sark,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: come on, man.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: You got my.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Grandpa's last name, original last name. You're going to disrespect
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it like that? I don't like that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: So clean it up. Clean it up.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Clean it up, dude. That's not right.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Most importantly, you're hot when you go to Donovan Jorgensen,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: especially right now, 0% financing for 60 months on select systems.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That is the fall special going on at Donovan Jorgensen
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: heating and cooling.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So go and check them out. Also, employee-owned for over
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: 40-plus years. Love it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Those are the kind of people you want to be
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: talking to. And working with. On this not victory Monday.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Who's not hot? The entire NFC South.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Eight and nine special from a year ago. Starts
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: with the 0-1 run. All four teams 0-1. And you know.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They're all losing various like. Hell of an effort by
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the Saints though.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: My goodness.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Saints on the road.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. But then like Carolina.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Giving up almost 60.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Atlanta.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Tampa.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Like the turnovers. After giving Baker his bag.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and Baker fumbling away, what, three times yesterday
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and lost all of them. And the Falcons won is
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: fascinating because that might be the least discussed game on
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the calendar. Mike McCarthy, congratulations, Mike. First game as head
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: coach of the Pittsburgh Stoolers gets the victory, albeit against
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Cooper Rush and company. Steelers fans are looking for any
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: reason to be happy, and I don't know if they're
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: even happy after that game yesterday.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you did win, but Cooper Rush.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Playing a position nobody really wants to play, which is
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Falcons quarterback.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, within seven or whatever it was.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And there's like no dynamic aspect to the Steelers offense
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: right now, even though they did win the game. And
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: what was it like five yards per pass? That just
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: won't cut it. So, yes, the Steelers did win. That's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: better than what we're sitting at today talking about. But
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it sure didn't look real sexy or exciting for them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how things are going forward.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Browns.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: If you need one chicken soup game, what's the team
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: right now?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's the Jets, but they won. So it's like.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: You would have thought. I know. Exactly. Yeah. Until they, yeah.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Until they won.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: At least we know how Matt LaFleur felt about his
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: brother winning last night. That was kind of cool in
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the postgame.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's happy about it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Probably texted him. Congrats.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: All right, yeah. And who else is hot? Well, Bubz
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: is still hot. You are complicit. I love Bubz energy
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: right now. Love the Armenians. No, no, no.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: You can't try and make up to me now. You
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: just said I was complicit.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Bubs?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: No, we love the energy. Just playing around. Big Bubs.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Hot today.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: On YouTube.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: On the comments. A lot of good stuff.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Also, a lot of Ron and Stiles did the humble brag.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Well, you guys talked about that one. Sorry about that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a new text. My bad. All right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: 877-794-1997.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: For me?
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: For you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It's new to you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's not hot. Well, it's new to you.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: New to you, yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what else as we pull back,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: because we're going to talk to Wayne very soon. What
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: else as we pull back have we not touched on?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Trace Mack, I thought, was really good, obviously, except for
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the extra point.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are big, though.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Which was Anders Carlson's problem. I mean, Anders had a
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: good field goal percentage, but not good.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: At extra points.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Those count, too. And that point changed the game, I think.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: It did.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So there's duality yesterday in all this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Hard to even remember, because the game happened, but Tucker
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Kraft got his money there on Saturday. That was an
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: interesting way of going into the season, I I think
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: there was starting to be at least a little bit
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of speculation if indeed there was a reason why they
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: were waiting.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Four hours before they boarded the plane for Minneapolis, he
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: gets his bag.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Well-deserved.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I said on TV on Saturday, if you were to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: create the perfect Packer in a lab, it would look
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a lot like Tucker Kraft.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does resemble Packy Packer a little bit. Timberlake,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: South Dakota. He's a town of 509 that makes Green
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Bay look like Manhattan.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I thought the volume in which Jonu Smith was included
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in the game plan was crazy.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit surprising. I didn't anticipate he was
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: going to play that much.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: But as I saw one of the numbers freaks that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you love so much, Billy, 13 personnel usage jumped 9%
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: across the NFL in week one. No full season over
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the previous two decades exceeded 5.7%. A lot of three
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: tight end sets.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of three tight end sets. Everybody's trying to
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: go to it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You and I caught ourselves yesterday being like, wait a second,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: what's this 86 out there?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's Mark Redman. Oh, that's Redman. Okay, he's playing.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: They got him in there.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And they needed to do anything to try to generate
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: some kind of run game because... Uh, you just need
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to be able to throw a curve ball at these guys.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You need as much as we want to let Jordan
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: love cook.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: You want to have him throw on the ball. You
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: just can't throw it two thirds or three quarters of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the time. And even yesterday while you're leading, that was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the only way they were able to do anything.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to be.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Interested to see how much more you see them in
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that 13 personnel and how many different times it's Anthony
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Belton as the tackle eligible guy. Cause he did end
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: up starting to see him yesterday, uh, Ends up getting
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: more snaps than Jagger Burton in game number one. I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: don't think a whole lot of people had that on
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: their bingo card.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Going into week number one. Absolutely did not.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I don't like that Victory Monday is trending across the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: United States and we don't get to be a part
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that at all.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's just somebody laughing in your face letting you know that.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That is painful.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: There are people out there enjoying a beautiful spicy chicken
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: biscuit this morning, celebrating and gloating.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And they are not us.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And instead we're just sitting here having a... Nature Valley Bar.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It is kind of interesting to observe, though, how we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: as humans, as fans, cope with losses in different ways.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And it's like, blame somebody, blame something, which makes sense.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Why did it happen?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Blame coaches. You can blame anybody. There's a lot of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: people blaming the refs. And then everyone going to the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: fixing conversation right away yesterday, which I thought was another
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: funny one to observe. We had a YouTube comment from Xavier.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He said, Entertainment League games are fixed. It's like, We
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: can't accept anything. We have to believe that something else
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is going on. And I also thought it was interesting
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: when Tucker Kraft said we're the best team in the league,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but we don't play like it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That's one way to look at it. The only team
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that can stop us is us.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd agree that they're the best
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: team in the league, but I get his point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So we all find different ways to cope, and that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: what we're doing today.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a whole lot of that going on. All right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: when we come back, we will talk to the voice
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of the Packers. Next, you're in the huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: You and me, we just don't get along.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: You make me feel like i.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Did you wrong.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Oh baby the end of the line monday edition of
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: the huddle fox sports radio wisconsin drew billy arman bringing
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: it to you packers lose I'd say it's hard to process,
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: and it kind of is, but it's continuing a trend line.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And here to join us to talk about it is
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the voice of the Packers, Wayne Larrabee, brought to us
• 23:22
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• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Good morning, Wayne. Thanks for joining us. You've been doing
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this a long time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: What words do you have to express what's happened to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the Packers going back since they won their last meaningful
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: game 281 days ago?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you kind of said it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: The trend continued in very similar fashion, it seemed like.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Nightmarish fourth quarter. Packers had the lead going in and
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: just couldn't hold it. Guys, I thought yesterday's game overall,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and I felt this way in the first half of
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the Packers leading, and Jordan Love playing exceptionally well. They
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: were not winning the game in the trenches. And if
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: you watch an NFL game and all you watch are
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the two lines, you get a pretty good idea eventually
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: who's going to win the football game. I thought Minnesota
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: controlled the game in the trenches. The Packers were unable
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to muster a consistently decent running game to support the
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: passing game. Jordan Love manipulated the pocket as well as
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: he could against that pass rush for three quarters in
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: It just kind of broke down on them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: But when you look at that game in total, It's
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the battle on the offensive and defensive lines, the Packers
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: offensive line against the Vikings defensive front, and Minnesota control
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the ball game throughout, I thought, even with the Packers
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: on the lead.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Wayne, the group that we talked about for
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: six weeks and tried to figure out who would be
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the starting unit, I guess I don't remember out of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: all of our training camp live shows. I don't really
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: remember the Donovan Jennings run with the ones over at
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: left guard. But it was time on task and thought
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that he deserved it was the answer from Matt LaFleur
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: when Donovan Jennings got the start. How surprised were you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: when he was the starting left guard with Aaron Banks
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: being out?
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Well, you know... I was mildly surprised.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I asked Larry McCarron about that practice on Wednesday when
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I saw 67 lining up at that left guard position.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, if Banks doesn't go, it'd probably
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: be Jagger Burton. But apparently they felt that Banks was
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: a little more prepared to handle things in the early
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: going this season. He's got a year of experience under
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: his belt as compared to Jagger, who's a rookie.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: So the coaches are, you know, Billy, you know how
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it is. The coaches are going to go.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: With the more experienced player more often than not early
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in a campaign like this. So we'll see going forward
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: what happens. But I think you're right about the offensive line.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: You kind of hinted at it. It took all summer
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to put that unit together. And finally, the last week
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: at camp, we see the five guys out there that
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: we hope will start the season. And then as the
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: week of preparation began, You know, they took their time
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: with Paco B. Welle, but Aaron Banks, they were working
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: him a little bit, but just couldn't quite get him
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: back on the field with that knee tendonitis.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, that's hard, man.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: When you're offensive, we can't put together an offensive line
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in time to get to build that cohesion you need
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: going into a game like the Vikings, like against the
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Brian Flores defense.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: That's hard.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Talking to Wayne Larrabee, voice of the Packers here. We
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: had a couple of hypotheticals we were kicking around earlier, Wayne.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Would the Packers have won that game if Micah Parsons
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and Josh Jacobs had suited up? And would the Vikings
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have won the game if Kyler Murray had played the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: entire afternoon?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I thought about that second point of your question, Drew.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I thought Carson Wentz played pretty well. And I don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: know if Kyler Murray was going to play that well
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: or not. you know, that early interception was, that just,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that was Connor Murray. You know, he can make a
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: great play. He can throw a, he can devastate you
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: with a play. I just, I think Wentz played pretty well.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if the starter would have played much better.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but geez, I got to tell you that,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that just was disappointing to see because they, the Packers
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: were living on some big plays and you hoped if
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: they could just get a little bit of a control
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: of the offensive line and start running the football effectively
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: as they tried to do in the third quarter that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: they'd be.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Able to hold on. But, you know, things changed in
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: a hurry.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in a game, Wayne, that you hold just
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison and Juwan Jennings to a combined zero catches,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I would have said you'd win that game going away.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: It's difficult when you look at the defense because the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: final score would indicate one thing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: They got put in.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Some very brutal spots, obviously, late into the game. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: it gets away from you when 22 points happen in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. But what did you take away from
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the Jonathan Gannon defense? Because there was some real pressure
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: there through portions of the game, but they were just
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on the field for what felt like far too long.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I thought, you know, the thing that struck me
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: was Hawkinson, the tight end. He had four catches, 36 yards. Jefferson,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: eight for 92. So what's that, 128 yards? And they
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: combined for three touchdowns. But the tight end, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: that was a problem in Chicago. Colston Loveland burned the
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Packers in the second half of that wildcard playoff game.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: back in January. And then to see this, you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: this tight end, Hawkinson, who's not nearly as good at
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: this stage in his career as, you know, the Michigan
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: tight end down in Chicago is at this stage in
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: his career, to see him have his, you know, play
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a pretty prominent role there in the second half, that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: was a little bit concerning. You know, I just think
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: that when you look at the totality of the game
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: in general, to me, it was the wear and tear,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: the The game came down to the second half, that
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: one drive that the Vikings had that was fueled by
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  Speaker 3: three penalties on plays where the Packers got them off
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  Speaker 3: the field.
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  Speaker 4: Whether the penalties.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Were just or not, some people say they were questionable,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: that type of thing, but they were penalties, and they
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: nullified great plays. They nullified a sack, two sacks. They
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: nullified an interception to the end zone, and those penalties
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  Speaker 3: just fueled the Vikings, and that gave them the lead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, back-breaking, Wayne. And obviously, the fourth and one, it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: going to be hotly debated. But I thought the drive
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that the Packers drive down, maybe not their most productive
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of points, but their best sustained time possession drive.
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  Speaker 1: They go down and get a field goal, make it 22-10.
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  Speaker 1: But then the Vikings snap right back with the big return.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was also as much of a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: turning point as the fourth down call. I was curious
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  Speaker 1: what you thought of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Armin, that's very perceptive. I think you're exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, You know, I thought on special teams that
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Packers did some good things, but the Vikings were getting
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: solid returns, it looked like to me. And, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: that kind of set things in motion. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought that was kind of a subtle start.
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  Speaker 3: You could feel the worm turning at that point, I think,
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  Speaker 3: is what I said on the air.
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  Speaker 4: As far as the fourth down goes.
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  Speaker 3: We were emphatic on the air, Larry and I, that
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  Speaker 3: you go for it here.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you're on the road.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be if you kick the field goal,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: it's a one possession game anyway. Field goals were not
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: going to win that game in the second half, I
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: didn't think. It was on the offensive line to clear
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  Speaker 3: enough space to get that first down.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: They failed. They failed.
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  Speaker 3: We're six inches short, according to the measurement. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to get that first down. And does it
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  Speaker 3: mean you're going to score a touchdown? No, but you've
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: got to get the first down there in order to
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: score a touchdown and make it a two-score game there
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  Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. As it is, that's where the
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Vikings took over. But it wasn't so much. People are saying, well,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: that fueled the Vikings. No, there were four penalties on
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the subsequent Vikings drive against.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: The Packers defense.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: First play of that drive was an offside on Jonathan Ford,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I believe it was.
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  Speaker 4: That made it first and five.
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  Speaker 3: Eventually, the Packers are three times they get them off
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  Speaker 3: the field. Three times penalties erase those plays. That's really
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: where the game turned, in my opinion. Not so much
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: on that fourth down call, but I'm in the minority there.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I would have done it again.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm with you there because, Wayne, we just saw that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it's happened once since 2000 that a team had three
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: third down plays, drive extended, third down penalties to extend
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  Speaker 1: a drive in a single drive. It's almost unheard of.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: You can do that. And yeah, you're getting off the field.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: The interception by Evan Williams, you might have had a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: dagger call if not for the penalty on that one.
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  Speaker 4: But again, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think the main crux of the issue here going forward
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: is if you look at where the game was won,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: it was really one of the trenches. And I understand
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: The Packers made some big plays on the perimeter of
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: the Minnesota defense. They hit some big plays against that
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: defense to get the lead. I get that. But when
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: your quarterback's getting hit 15 times, you give up four sacks,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: your running game is held to less than four yards
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: per rushing attempt. Vikings had a pass rush win rate,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: according to Rob Domofsky's story, ESPN and NextGenStats. They had
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: a pass rush win rate in that game of 90.6%.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: That is the highest of any team in a single
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: game in the National Football League since 2022.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Boy, that says it all.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I understand all these people are concentrating on the fourth
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: down call and this, that, and the other thing, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: even penalties. Fact is, the Vikings controlled the line of scrimmage,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: and that's why they won the game.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Well, and Wayne, if your quarterback's going to get hit,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and the tough thing is he's going to get hit.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: The way they're going to now be played over the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: next three to four weeks is very similar to this.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of defenses can and are
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: built to blitz this much. This is what they do.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They blitz at 78% of the time. And it felt
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, they just said,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: here it is, it's on the table.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Try and see if you can stop seven.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And we're going to bring one every single time. How
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: long do you think Jordan's going to be able to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: withstand some of this? Because he delivered the goods for
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a while. The numbers are pretty impressive.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: But this is something.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That while he was very good and Matt LaFleur was
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: very complimentary of him in the preseason of identifying the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: blitz and getting around it and changing protections.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: There's only so much of it that you can do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I said it in probably a little bit more uncomfortable.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I think you're going to have to, you're going to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: force yourself and have to run it more. You're going
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to have to force yourself to try and run it
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: more because it's the only way you can give these
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: offensive linemen a little bit of a change up because
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it was a sprinter stance there for Dallas Turner for
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the majority of the game.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, and especially in the second half. I mean, you're right.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: He was in the blocks and charging out. They ran
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it eight times in the first half. Um, In the end,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: they ran it, what, 13 times in the second half.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: They were starting to get that ground game going a
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: little bit in the third quarter, and then, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: but getting behind the sticks, as Matt LaFleur said, that
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: was another subtle key to this game, and playing behind
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the sticks against this kind of defense that is blitzing
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and blitzing so effectively, it's really hard to get anything sustained.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: That was the whole deal as I looked at it, but...
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see where they go. We talked
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: about it during the game in the fourth quarter. What
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: happened yesterday in Minnesota is now on tape. And the
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: New York Jets have a defensive front, too, and everybody does. But,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, their defensive front is much improved as well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: It'll be very interesting to see how much they try
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: to blitz this Packers offense.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I thought Jordan Love played well enough to win. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: really did.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: The numbers in the end, you know, 80-some passer rating,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: much below his standard. The completion percentage, about 50%, much
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: below his standard. But boy, I tell you what, against
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the pressure he was facing, I thought he played really
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: gallantly in that game.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: In the end, it all kind of wore down on him,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: and that was the problem. We felt his, you could
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: feel it, Billy.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: His clock in his head, play to play, started getting
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: sped up. in that fourth quarter because of the onslaught.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And that's where some of the issues occurred.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Wayne Larvey joining us here with Voice of the Packers,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: brought to us by Miller Lite, Pottawatomie Sportsbook, and Wisconsin
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Concrete Coatings. All right, Wayne, we began the show and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I was talking about how I was struck by everything
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: matters in the NFL and things that happen in the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: first quarter impact what happens later. The TraceMac missed point
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: after led to Matt LaFleur's decision.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Because if he had made that and they were up, they'd.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Be at a two-score thing and you walk off and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: take the three points and we get on with the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: game and that influenced that decision.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at special teams in the hole.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Bo Melton was electric on kickoff returns and he downed
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a punt inside the two, pinning him. But Daniel Whalen
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: had a 22-yard punt, smack missed a PAT, and they
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: gave up a 69-yard kickoff return at the worst possible time.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: So what's new?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: We've seen this movie before, and it got a new coordinator,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and we're all excited about some of the splashy plays.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: But again, the same problems keep bumping up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Drew, the return was a backbreaker. And I agree
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: with you. I felt the same way. Part of the
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: reason why Matt went for it was that missed PAT
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: in the first half of the ballgame. And you always...
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: That missed PAT for some reason. It's only one point, folks.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I get that. But didn't that kind of hang over
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that game like wildfire smoke hangs over cities?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was just there all afternoon.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It affects the math late. You're right.
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  Speaker 4: It does.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It affects your offensive thinking because you're where you are.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: It does.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: And again, I think Matt made the right Personally, I
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: would do the same thing he did going forward on
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: that fourth down. You've got to be able to get
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: a yard there, and you've got to move the chains,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and you've got to keep your offense on the field. But,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you know, that PAT probably did. That affected, impacted that decision.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt about that. But special teams,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you're right. The return, the coverage wasn't as good as
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: it had been last year. And the coverage last year
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't great, folks.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: It was okay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: It was, you know, they were like 18th or something
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: like that and covering kicks and punts. But they were
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: so much more dynamic in the return game were the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Packers in this one. Remember, nobody had fewer return yards,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: kick and punt return yards combined last year in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: NFL than the Green Bay Packers.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Nobody had fewer.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And I thought yesterday the return game was good, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the coverage not quite as good and then the missed PAT.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Uh wayne you've called now uh this is your 48th
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: or 49th season calling nfl games i just wanted to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: make sure i had 49 49 how many false starts
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: on the freaking quarterback.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Have you seen yeah not many oh my.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: God especially when he says he's been warned i guess.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'll take trey blake over sean hockley's crew uh 10
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: times out of 10 but that was one of the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: crazier calls i think i can remember in pro.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Football yeah exactly billing and i thought several calls were
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: somewhat questionable and the way they were spotting the football.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Now we're in a fricking angle in that God forsaken place.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: They call us bang stadium, but we're on an angle
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: so far away from the action. It's hard to see,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: but it looked to me like they were, you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: where I thought the play ended.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: They marked it back a yard or two. It seemed like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you know, in, in, That was happening all day.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to blame the officiating on this thing, okay?
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: But there were some questionable calls there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And there were some unfortunate penalties, especially on that crucial
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: drive in the third quarter that gave Minnesota the lead
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: after the Packers failed on fourth down to pick up
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a first.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: We're entering a situation where we're on to New York.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: You're going to be heading to the Meadowlands. And fly
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: with those Jets. To the J-E-T-S, Jets at Jets. And
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't think I'd say it, but that game against
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the Jets is now.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: A must win.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I know it's the Packers and every game is a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: must win. But Sunday is a must win game for the.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers. Wayne, thanks for hanging.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Out with us.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We appreciate it. We enjoyed the call yesterday. Didn't enjoy
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the result, but we get to do it again on Sunday.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Sounds good guys we'll talk to you on friday.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks buddy that's wayne wayne larry voice of the packers
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: brought to us by miller light potawatomi sportsbook wisconsin concrete
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: coatings that man has forgotten more uh games that have
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: happened in pro football than i'll ever watch and i'm
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just glad that he hasn't seen many because i just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: know i warned him before all right i told him
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you stop doing that sean hockey lee Why.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Don't you go coach a forensics team?
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It sounded like the most he wanted to do was
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: be an orator yesterday.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Told him. Oh, that's good. Yeah, he was very performative.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Very performative.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: All right, we made it through the Monday edition. It's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: still going to sting, and now today we get to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: hear a Matt LaFleur presser with even deeper questions of.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: How the hell did that happen?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to know how happy he is for
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: his brother, though. I hope that one gets asked again.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You happy for him now, coach?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Did you send him a bottle of wine?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: An edible arrangement is on its way, yeah. Give him
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: an attaboy text. We will see you tomorrow.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Hunter's going to join us live from Pittsburgh as the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Brewers go for a clincher with Miz on the mound.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: See you at 5 a.m.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Peace!