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- 0:17From Troy Public Radio, this is In Focus,
- 0:21and I'm Carolyn Hutcheson. The Battle of Horseshoe Bend led
- 0:26to Alabama becoming a state. And one of the key figures in that
- 0:29story was Andrew Jackson.
- 0:32Dr. Kathryn Braund is a well-known historian and author
- 0:37of the book Mapping Conquest: The Battle Maps of Horseshoe
- 0:41Bend. She joins us as we look ahead to a
- 0:45special event commemorating the broader history of Alabama.
- 0:53Dr. Katherine Braun, welcome back to Troy Public Radio.
- 0:56Thank you for having me, Carolyn. You and I have known each other
- 1:00for years, so we're on a first-name basis. There is an important
- 1:04symposium coming up. On August 22nd, the annual
- 1:09Horseshoe Bend National Military Park Symposium will take
- 1:13place at Auburn University at Pebble Hill Center for the
- 1:17Arts and Humanities, and the event is open to the public, and we
- 1:21have 4 speakers lined up. Katherine, Mapping Conquest:
- 1:25The Battle Maps of Horseshoe Bend is about a pivotal
- 1:29moment in Alabama's history. Why was it so
- 1:33important? The Battle of Horseshoe Bend was the last
- 1:36and largest battle of the Creek Indian War that
- 1:40took place in 1813 and ended in 1814.
- 1:44The war was one of the largest, if not the largest battle
- 1:48between United States troops and Native Americans in American
- 1:52history. On that battlefield on March 27th,
- 1:571814, nearly 1,000 Red
- 2:01Stick Creeks were killed. This was an overwhelming
- 2:04American victory. It ended the Creek
- 2:08War, and the price of losing that war was
- 2:11the loss of over 21 million acres of land that
- 2:16went to the U.S., and this is the beginning of the Alabama
- 2:20territory and quickly statehood because
- 2:24all that land that they lost was primarily in the state
- 2:27of Alabama and was immediately opened up to settlement.
- 2:32I want to refer to a part of your book that says the most important
- 2:37question about this battle is one that
- 2:41maps do not address. Why did the Creeks choose
- 2:44to fortify that place? Was there spiritual
- 2:48significance to the site, as some have asked?
- 2:51When you stand at Horseshoe Bend, it is chilling to look at
- 2:55that battle site. Why did the Creeks think they were protected?
- 2:59This is a question we really can't answer. We can only speculate.
- 3:04At the very end of 1813 is a massive
- 3:08invasion of the Creek country by troops from Tennessee.
- 3:12We're not talking about battles in which only armies clash.
- 3:16We're talking about what do you do with a civilian population?
- 3:20You can either get on the run or you can try to defend yourselves.
- 3:24We do know these Creek towns started coming together
- 3:28in places they viewed as being defensible
- 3:31so they could defend civilian population. If you go to
- 3:35Coorsubend, in that wonderful, beautiful flat
- 3:39bend of the river, that is where the civilian population
- 3:42was housed in a village Tahopakah. There were
- 3:46many women and children there, and the Red Stick Creeks who were trying to defend
- 3:50their families began to build this massive wall in
- 3:54front of this village between the sides of the river,
- 3:57enclosing the horseshoe bend for protection.
- 4:01Tahopakah means fortification in the Muscogee language.
- 4:05It was an incredible feat of military engineering,
- 4:09and I believe that the idea they had was
- 4:13that if assaulted, they would be able to defend that wall,
- 4:17and if not, the idea was to put their civilian
- 4:22populations in canoes and evacuate. Why didn't
- 4:26that plan work? The real problem was they
- 4:30did not anticipate the numbers that Andrew Jackson would bring
- 4:34with him. He had 3,000 men and
- 4:38was able to totally encircle that bend and prevent the
- 4:41escape of most noncombatants. Why didn't
- 4:46the people who were behind the barricade realize that they
- 4:49were vulnerable from the side of the river? That is
- 4:54a million-dollar question. This little spot of land was across
- 4:57the river, the Tallapoosa, from a town that had been burned,
- 5:01Nyoka. It was believed to be a place that
- 5:05this massive barricade could defend. It was
- 5:08just simply a miscalculation, I think. But when you
- 5:12have horsemen surrounding the bend and then a 2-pronged
- 5:16attack, one from the rear as the Cherokees and others crossed
- 5:20the river and began attacks in the village, as well as the U.S.
- 5:24Army attacking from the front and the barricade,
- 5:28it was pretty hopeless. Were there any places in
- 5:32that barricade that showed a vulnerability?
- 5:36That is one thing the little manuscript maps reveal,
- 5:40and that's what my book really focuses on, these manuscript
- 5:43maps drawn largely by officers who were on the site of
- 5:47the battle. A sally port in that massive
- 5:51wall barricade— if you go to the park, you will see wonderful
- 5:55paintings of Americans climbing over this tall wall
- 5:59to get to the Red Sticks, but there was also a break in the
- 6:03wall. That is how some of the American combatants got through.
- 6:07One of my favorite maps actually calls it out. He specifically
- 6:11says this is the sally port, which was a small avenue through
- 6:15which a man could just pass. Katherine, remind us why the
- 6:19Cherokees sided with the Americans. The Creek Nation
- 6:23itself was allied with the United States in this effort, but the Cherokees
- 6:27did it to prove their loyalty to the United States.
- 6:30Individual men did it because it was a way to express
- 6:35yourself as a warrior, to gain honor. I've heard it
- 6:39said that at Horseshoe Bend, Andrew Jackson made his
- 6:42national reputation. Indeed he did, and he only
- 6:46became more famous after his victory at New Orleans in
- 6:50the War of 1812, but he was given that command after this stunning
- 6:54victory at Horseshoe Bend. The Creek War
- 6:58of 1813 and the War of 1812 are not the
- 7:01same conflicts, but they're concurrent, and when Jackson
- 7:05and those Tennesseans had this massive victory against the
- 7:09Creek Indians at Horseshoe Bend, he immediately became a national
- 7:13hero, hailed for his military genius, if you will,
- 7:17and we know he did that at New Orleans as well. How many people participated
- 7:22in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend on both sides? We know
- 7:25that Jackson had about 3,000 troops.
- 7:29There were about 1,000 Red Sticks. There were women and children
- 7:33there. Hundreds were killed, and some were captured
- 7:37and enslaved by the Cherokee and by some Americans.
- 7:41Conservatively, there were 4,000 people at that site that day,
- 7:45and when you take into account the enslaved people that the Americans brought with
- 7:49them that we have virtually no record of, but we know they were there.
- 7:53When you think about the men who were able to escape
- 7:56the slaughter, the Red Sticks, the women and children who likely
- 8:01were evacuated before the battle, we're talking at least 4,000
- 8:05people. So it was a massive battle site. Katherine, you've used
- 8:09the term Red Stick Creeks. Who were they?
- 8:12The Red Stick Creeks were a faction of the Upper
- 8:16Creek Nation who raised the red stick of war against
- 8:20their own leadership. They were insurgents, and the reason
- 8:24we call them Red Sticks, as they were called in the 19th century, the Red
- 8:28Clubs, is that when you were about to declare war as a Creek
- 8:32Indian, you would prepare a club to be used in
- 8:35war and then raise it up and symbolically declare war,
- 8:39and it would be painted red with the blood of your enemies. So that is
- 8:43a red stick. A symbolic way to declare war.
- 8:47Remind us one more time about the Memory and Meaning in
- 8:51the Creek War Symposium, Saturday, August 22nd.
- 8:55If you look at the Friends of Horseshoe Bend Facebook
- 8:59page or the Horseshoe Bend National Military Park Facebook
- 9:02page, you can get all the information. The event will be
- 9:079 AM until noon at the Auburn University Center
- 9:11for the Arts and Humanities, Pebble Hill. It is free,
- 9:15open to the public, and refreshments will be served. Well,
- 9:18I want to thank you for your visit today. And again, your book,
- 9:22Mapping Conquest: The Battle Maps of Horseshoe
- 9:26Bend. It is a beautiful book, and thank you so much. Well, thank you
- 9:30for having me, Carolyn. That was Dr. Katherine Braun. Horseshoe Bend
- 9:35National Military Park is located in Daviston,
- 9:38Alabama. Thanks for joining us for In Focus,
- 9:42which is a podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
- 9:46I'm Carolyn Hutcheson, and this is Troy Public
- 9:50Radio.