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Sami Sauiluma · Talking Shed

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  Welcome back to the Talking Shit.
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  big questions. Today's a great episode, man.
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  We're very lucky. We have one of the best, you
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  could say Queensland Cup players, probably someone with a
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  lot of accolades that best that best.
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  Our guest today is the powerhouse of a centre who's
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  done it all, man, from in around the 20s.
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  Forty 3 appearances and eighteen tries.
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  The 18 in our premiership games with five tries plus 21 games in
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  NSW reserve grade. But where he really made his
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  mark is in the Queensland Cup over one. 165 games, 87 tries, 2
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  premierships and A1 break north of 67.
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  Percent Damn Dangerous. Dangerous.
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  Dangerous. He's.
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  Definitely one of the most respected feared players in the
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  competition. He's also known for a few
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  legendary off field stories. Mate we have some miss so we
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  luma man. Give it a round of applause
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  right there bro Welcome. Welcome, welcome, welcome.
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  Boys, good to be here. But I just want to say started
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  off with a few huge, I guess just to recognize you, bro.
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  Great, great player, great person.
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  Probably I'll say in my opinion, best Queensland Cup player of
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  all time. Yeah, you reckon?
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  Who do you reckon's challenging you?
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  Greg English. What did they do?
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  They did nothing but it would have been like 18.
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  Pretty good career, sorry. That Gregory must try he scored
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  that meanwhile with N say yeah, yeah, that was gun that was gun.
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  Maybe he get maybe he might be but no but I think we just
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  started off with our first impressions or semi.
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  What do you reckon 100% you want to go?
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  First, Yeah, I can go first. Yeah, you go first.
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  Pretty much my first impression was the first time I I actually
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  joined Burley. It was a preseason and we're
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  training down at Somerset and I remember one of the the
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  trainers, you know, he's running us through a warm up and he
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  starts making us do this, this like it's, it's, it's an ankle,
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  knee, dual mobility, you know where we hop right, right,
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  middle, left. Middle right?
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  And I remember all the boys just looking at something and go very
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  this fellow, this old fellow's still going at it, his knees
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  look broken and everything. And straight after that very we
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  had to a Bronco to do. Was that when we had to do the
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  back-to-back Bronco? Nah, Nah, Nah.
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  It was before, it was after that.
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  Yeah, it was after that because I came in, in the, in the new
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  year. Yeah.
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  And we're, we're lining up to do our Bronco and all the boys very
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  just like the likes of it. All the best.
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  Back-to-back. Oh.
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  But I I still got. The record.
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  What did you get 8? Minutes for the second one, the
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  second one, but I was pretty much walking.
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  So that's correct. I remember I you've got a
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  legendary line, though, because Costa and all that will they'll
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  be giving you giving you smack in that when you're running and
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  you're like, man, these these fitness drills don't help you
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  with tough carries. Man.
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  You always say like you guys are doing all this.
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  There's no measure in preseason, Yeah, these carries.
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  Yeah, but it's so true. Some some dudes fit us through
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  in the thing and then 10 meters in the game because a few of
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  them I know fit in me. But that, that we my, my first
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  impression of you. I was just a little background
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  of it. So I when I first moved to
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  Aussie, moved to Mackay to play for the Cutters And but I didn't
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  know any Queensland Cup players. Like I knew New Zealand dudes
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  and NRL players. And when we first got there, I
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  mean, our first game was against Raycliffe and like all the boys
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  left. Bro, is this dude Trey Fuller?
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  He's mean as like, bro, you got to watch out for him.
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  So you know, me straight away went online, Googled him and I
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  was like bro, 80K cheese. I was like, oh fuck, surely I'm
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  sweet. And you know, highlights never
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  do someone justice. Yeah, bro.
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  So I was like, Oh yeah, sweet doesn't look too bad.
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  Like I played against pretty fast dudes in that before bro
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  and then played them and I was like, Oh my God, bro, tackle,
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  tackle this dude because I if he gets a break, I'm not going to
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  tackle this bro. And like I just couldn't make
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  out because he was playing NRL dudes playing way better than
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  him. And I was like.
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  I've been on the end of one of trays infamous bends.
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  Hopefully he didn't find that clear.
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  Strong, strong believe. Very strong, fast, like agility.
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  And then so our next game, our second game was against Burley
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  and. What year was this 2020?
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  One or 2020 around them 2121 yeah, and luckily I'll I'll get
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  to it. But like, say everyone was like
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  bro, like they got all these dudes like petty petty puller,
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  Tony Sam Costa, Sammy Saluma. So I mean Google.
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  I was like, hey, I was like petty.
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  First thing that comes up is like the his his highlight
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  against Townsville. And I'm like, Oh yeah, we we
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  won't speak on that because no smart.
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  But then Costa, obviously all his stats in that and I looked
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  at you and I was like this dude, bro, big ass.
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  And everyone's like talking about like, oh, bro, get up on
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  him early tackle and I'm just thinking about the game.
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  These dudes better than all like this dude because I'm not trying
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  to tackle anyone big bro But but luckily I don't know, you might
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  have been suspended or something for that game because you didn't
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  end up playing it. Was it at your home?
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  No, it was at Berly. Berly, Mazi.
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  Greek Mazi played as well. Yeah, I'm probably suspended.
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  Probably suspended but but I remember I was like oh thank
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  God, cuz you just look like bro obviously always played like so
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  violent and I was like that's all I'm trying to avoid.
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  And then both the next following season I came and played with
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  Billy and so I was kind of a little bit gonna being like,
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  this dude's gonna be scary kind of thing.
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  And you were like the nicest dude in the whole team, bro.
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  It cost the net a way more like, you know, serious than scary
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  when you get to know you. I was like, Oh my.
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  Gosh, yeah. I've always wanted, you'd like
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  to know what other other players think of you.
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  Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.
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  I think knowing that, like, I reckon that's what most people
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  sort of think, yeah. I'm a bit of a a gem, I reckon,
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  a bit of a. When you play, When I'm playing.
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  Yeah, but I'm yeah, turn off. Different off the field.
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  Off the field. Different a We can't, I can't
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  act like that off the field. Yeah, imagine if I was like that
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  on the street. Just randomly this big ass dude
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  just calling your names in that A Yeah.
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  Exactly. Feel that off the field.
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  But no, that's. Yeah, and it throws me to this.
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  We actually had to hit a few people right in.
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  And here we go. Jason, you're one of your, one
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  of your, I think your best man or Yeah.
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  My brother Jason. Yeah, Jason, he, he, he written
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  and said, because obviously it's just based on this whole you
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  being scary, but apparently when you're younger you weren't like
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  that. And he said when you were year
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  9, apparently Year 5 actually beat you up or something.
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  So I was funny. Like, bro, what?
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  What were you like when you were younger?
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  Were you like him or were you not him?
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  These stories, I knew that would come out, a lot of them would
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  have been made-up. He he was like my roommate a lot
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  of my life. So I was a fearful kid.
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  Yeah. I was scared of normal things,
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  like scared of the dark wasn't I was the youngest out of them in
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  the early years. I was the youngest out of in our
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  family. So I was, yeah, I wasn't like a
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  stand over man or anything like that.
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  I had older, older boys in front of me so.
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  Yeah. Were you in that league though?
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  I was not him. I've never been him really.
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  Growing up. I was, I was actually pretty
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  lucky. Like I've, I've just played in
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  good teams. I was never, yeah, I was never
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  the guy I was. I grew up with.
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  I played with Josh Dugan. Oh.
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  True. My life croaks.
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  All the guys that went on to have a few guys went on to have
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  big careers and I was sort of just, yeah, kicking stones on
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  the bench. Just I was honestly just lucky
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  to lucky to be playing in those teams.
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  So, so you in high, did you go to high school with those dudes
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  as well or were you just playing like coming?
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  I went to high school with Dukes.
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  Josh Dugan, yeah, him. And in Canberra, when you get to
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  college, you all sort of merge into 11 sporting college.
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  Yeah. So heaps, heaps of us went to
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  Erendale College like Paul Vaughan.
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  Oh damn. Yeah, Jazz Croaker.
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  I was heap of other. Name.
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  Were you a man child? Like Nah, I could imagine you
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  being this size when you're like teen.
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  Paul Vaughan was a man child. Yeah, he was.
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  He was him when we were young. I remember him in like under 10
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  elevens. He he had hairy legs so well, I
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  used to judge other players on how hairy their yeah, if you got
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  hairy legs, you must be you're gone.
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  But. We all did.
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  You have people like that at your school during that time.
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  Like that, I'll put hairs. Like when you got them, I was
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  like, yeah, you're a man. Quickly faced, they go they.
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  Were like the man, the man Childs.
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  But like, yeah, I'm matured pretty late really.
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  In terms of footy. Yeah, probably wasn't until I I
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  can't be either. Oh, true, did I'm did did you?
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  Was this was that obviously you said Paul Warren, was he like
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  the guy you always knew, bro, he's going to play NRL?
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  Like who was that dude growing up?
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  Croker and Josh Dugan, there, they were there, they were like,
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  they were scoring like five tries a game, like.
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  What what was it about those types of players, though, at
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  that age where you could kind of see, you know, that they're
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  going to be future stars of the game?
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  Yeah. I think like I said that like
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  maturity, like they, they matured way, way faster than
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  they were. Like they just, I think I played
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  with fear up until I was like 22.
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  Like that's fuzzy to him, you know what I mean?
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  Like I think they just, they have No Fear at that age.
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  Guys like Jack Whiting, he's another one.
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  He just matured quicker than everyone.
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  Like just guys, he he didn't care and they weren't scared to
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  try things too on the field like.
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  Confidence a. You'd never like if I made the
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  20 side, I wasn't, I wasn't going to do a chip and chip a
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  tape. There's no way I was.
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  I wasn't that I wasn't that guy enough to I want to try this.
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  So I think maturity is what sort of get puts guys ahead of people
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  and like obviously physically to like if you're 100 kilos playing
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  on the 60s, I remember like Daniel Vito.
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  Borrow You're just quite boring. This Canberra might be like the
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  little hub of the talent. These these guys, yeah, Pocket
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  8. We had a pretty good junior
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  system, yeah, when I was young. But I remember in our SG Ball
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  team, they brought Daniel Vader down from from Brizzy.
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  He was 100 kilos and he was our fullback SG Ball.
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  SG Ball, yeah. Oh my God, I remember he, he
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  rocked up the train. And then they're like, yeah, he
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  this, this guy's going to be our fullback.
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  And I was, I was already like fifth string winger at the time.
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  I was like, awesome, you're. Like, oh what?
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  What about? What was that in?
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  Front I was like, it puts me down like, yeah, I mean at that
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  young age, like maturity and like obviously being having that
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  physical advantage, yeah, sort of sets you apart a bit.
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  Yeah, so you so you went from playing with them all in ESTU
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  ball? Yeah, Yeah, we actually had a
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  story sent through about the ESTU ball as well.
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  Yeah. So apparently, apparently you
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  had like a was it your debut or something?
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  You were 18th man. Oh yeah, first game this I I
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  didn't understand like 18th man what 18th man was so I was who
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  sent this to let's. Just say it was one of your good
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  mates, yeah? Can you take your kiss?
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  Well, I only just told it was good stuff.
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  Yeah, this year, yeah, I only just told the boys out this like
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  this year. Yeah.
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  SG Ball first, I was sort of the first in my family to play any
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  kind of Rep footy like and all week I was on the wing, like,
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  you know, training on the wing, but I didn't know I was 18th
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  man. And also I was swapping in and
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  out with the with the winger. And then come game day, my whole
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  family's there, like hundreds of people.
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  No. Heaps.
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  But listen, your first and I ran out on the with the huddle.
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  Everyone's like, yeah, let's go, whatever.
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  And ran out on the field and I ran out to the wing.
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  Novo, no way. I ran out and the other winger,
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  he was like, what are you, what are you doing?
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  And I was like, I'm playing, I'm not, what are you doing out
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  here? And then he's like, no, I'm on
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  the wing. And then I was thinking what the
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  what's going on? And then the trainer was like,
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  Sammy, what the hell are you doing?
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  Get off the field. And I was like, so confused.
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  And then I remember I was like, oh man, I must just be on the
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  bench until someone gets into it.
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  And then, yeah, I went, sat on the bench and just watched time
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  go down. To like, did you look at your
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  family through that hole? I was watching my daddy.
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  I was like, yeah, this guy's getting me angry.
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  Not the John, the Palladian Party.
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  But that was, yeah, I played. I was watching the clock.
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  I just remember going, surely they put me in.
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  Then, you know, realized you would never get known.
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  That would be devastating at a time as well.
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  We kind of like. Right.
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  To be honest, I was just like I said, I was never him.
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  I was just happy to be around, be around.
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  And at that stage I was pretty fresh into like serious side of
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  rugby leagues. I, I think my, my parents would
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  get, my dad would have cared. I didn't really care because.
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  That they that they do, you know what heaps of the Polynesian
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  families down there do or you know, when their son debuts and
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  they've got all the shirts printed and stuff or all the
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  signs ready or. Not back then.
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  That wasn't that big back then. My debut, My you know that boot?
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  They didn't. Yeah, Yeah.
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  I had a similar story to that actually.
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  It was, it wasn't for HG ball and I think it was just my club,
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  local club game and it was the grand final and my aunties,
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  uncles, my dad, everyone came and I knew I was on the bench,
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  but I thought I was being getting half a game and then I
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  was playing half back rugby. And then but I was sitting in
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  the sub and just like slowly started ticking out.
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  So he started ticking down and then next minute I hear my dad
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  yell at the coach, Hey, what the fuck?
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  No, no worries. We're getting at that coach and
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  everything. I'm just sitting there not
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  looking at my dad like Oh my God I'm so embarrassed.
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  Yeah, did you at least go wrong? No, didn't get off that.
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  The coach must have heard of me like he's.
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  Definitely not getting on now. No, my dad.
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  So back in your day, bro, like explain to us kind of, you know,
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  what age did you kind of start playing footy and kind of how
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  did that all, you know, align, you know, with the pathway for
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  you to even get into the SG? Yeah, so I grew up playing in
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  Canberra. I played every sport like you
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  can think of. My auntie put me in like I
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  played T-ball. That was probably the only time
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  playing table, like closest thing to cricket, bro.
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  Yeah, we play it every sport. My siblings did karate and all
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  the most out of it. Things that you wouldn't see,
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  like Polynesian, like our family did it.
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  Swimming, Swimming, that's another story.
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  Swimming. But Nah, yeah.
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  And I just, I started playing, I think I was about four or five,
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  just local footy. And then as as I got older hit
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  about 16/15/16 when, when footy gets a bit serious and I was
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  playing both, I was playing union and like only I played
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  union. All, all my cousins played,
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  played union. And a lot of my good mates, I, I
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  just played just to be around them.
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  And league was on Sundays. So, Oh yeah, I liked league
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  better so I didn't have to get a chance.
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  So, so league would, union would be, union was Saturday, league
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  would be Sunday. And then yeah, I just, I just
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  played both. I can't remember how long.
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  Most of my life played both. And then I had once I got to
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  college, I went to this. I went, like I said, went to
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  Arendelle for rugby union and had a good, their league system
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  was tied to the Raiders and the the coach at the time of the
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  Raiders was just like, oh, why don't you come, come have a
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  crack. Just come to one of the trials.
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  Me and my cousin went to one of the trials one night.
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  I didn't tell my mum and dad, I just went to it.
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  And yeah, under sixteens is sort of weird.
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  And then you you got picked up. From there you got picked up
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  from the trial, just open trial, so.
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  It was just a one off trial. Yeah, just a one off trial under
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  yeah, Estable and there's heaps of guys in that that I grew up
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  playing with too that ended up not but you do a whole preseason
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  and then they pick the team at the end of the and it was pretty
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  brutal. I'll never forget like we the
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  last day of pre season outside doing like drills and they call
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  you in one by one into the office and they're like you're
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  either in or you're out, far out.
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  And the worst thing like you'd rather like if you got told you
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  weren't in, you'd still have to go back out.
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  Yeah, like. Walker.
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  Shane though, yeah, Walker, Shane and like I remember boys
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  being like, Nah, I didn't didn't make it.
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  And guys that I was like. Wow, you thought they were sure?
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  For sure they were them, the guys.
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  What a. Crazy.
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  Experience. And I remember like there's a
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  guy named Chris Hill guys Trent Trent Holland are you which he's
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  known. But like these guys are they
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  were the big dogs. They made Aussie the year
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  before. Wow, Aussie school boys and.
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  They're not making. And they're not making this.
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  Geez. All right.
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  I was getting so nervous when he got got to my turn.
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  And then, yeah. And you come back and you just
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  do like the. Yeah, tried to play at home, but
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  I was so happy. But but you're smiling the whole
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  training session and what's? That what's that?
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  So you get signed, Is it like a? Is it a like a what kind of
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  contract? Is it development or is it?
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  It's not at that age you don't have management or anything.
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  They just, you don't, you're not, you're not getting paid.
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  I think they're getting paid now, but back then it's you just
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  pretty much the training gears. It's not an opportunity.
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  Oh, I'll tell you that training gears will motivate a lot of
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  kids. Oh, I understand.
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  I remember my mates who were went to school, school, fat kid.
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  I'd be like, man, I want to do that.
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  Yeah, 100%. Never did that, but yeah,
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  training gear went a long way. As a young 16 year old there,
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  that's that's definitely something that would in a way,
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  you know, like you said, you're seeing your mates come out.
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  You know of that, of that meeting.
• 18:54
  You're kind of like, holy hell, you know that that's got to, you
• 18:56
  know, in ways scare you. And then obviously when you walk
• 19:00
  in and then you're being told, bro, we want you on this list,
• 19:02
  this roster, you would have been over the moon.
• 19:05
  Yeah, it was pretty daunting. I didn't.
• 19:08
  I don't 16, you know, like your parents aren't there.
• 19:12
  Like, yeah, you're by yourself. You don't really like this.
• 19:16
  I don't need to do it like that anymore.
• 19:17
  I don't reckon that people would complain now, but it's pretty
• 19:21
  daunting. Yeah, at that age.
• 19:23
  But I I never like thinking about it now.
• 19:26
  I've never thought about it. But like, that's where like my
• 19:29
  career started at that age, 1516.
• 19:34
  During that meeting, like I know it'll be hard to kind of reflect
• 19:37
  or think about it now, I guess. But like I just imagine if I was
• 19:41
  to walk into the room at that age and they're having a
• 19:43
  conversation, full grown conversation with me, but I
• 19:46
  wouldn't even be listening. Like I would be my mom would be
• 19:49
  all over the place where I wouldn't even be fully engaged
• 19:51
  in the conversation. Like, do you remember any part
• 19:53
  of it where you're kind of actually listening or?
• 19:56
  Yeah, I was a pretty good out of.
• 19:59
  I had that Polynesian sort of respect for your eldest.
• 20:03
  So I'd listen pretty well to the coaches, but I remember they sat
• 20:08
  me down and they were like. All right, what do you think?
• 20:11
  What do you do well, what do you, what do you think you don't
• 20:13
  do well? And I was like, obviously you
• 20:17
  don't want to boast the whole, so you just sort of talking
• 20:20
  about the bad stuff and then they're like, all right, well,
• 20:23
  we're going to work on this is what we can help you with.
• 20:25
  And then like the rest is really up to you.
• 20:29
  You know, it's an opportunity. It's not no process or anything.
• 20:33
  Just kind of you just I guess LED a light bulb in my head and
• 20:37
  that's I listened to a recent podcast and it was with Michael
• 20:39
  Chica. Michael Chica or something, you
• 20:41
  know, the X in our Wallabies. Yeah, Coach and, and in the
• 20:44
  podcast, he was speaking with Mark Boris, you know, one of the
• 20:47
  head. Roosters, I guess.
• 20:49
  Yeah, yeah. And.
• 20:50
  He was talking about how, you know, players when they get
• 20:53
  asked that question from recruitment or from coaches,
• 20:56
  what are you doing well? What are you not doing well?
• 20:58
  A lot of players focus only on the negatives and they don't
• 21:01
  focus on the positives and stuff.
• 21:03
  And you're saying, you know, what he likes on his players now
• 21:05
  is that he wants them to, you know, be confident in saying,
• 21:08
  well, this is actually what I'm doing really well.
• 21:10
  And he wants them to own that. And and that's what he's he's
• 21:13
  trying to develop and, and the teams he's coaching at the
• 21:16
  moment, which I think is, you know, he kind of hit it on the
• 21:19
  nail there. You know, when when he says, you
• 21:21
  know, he doesn't want his players just focusing on
• 21:24
  negatives. A.
• 21:25
  Well, Fast forward years and years later when I come up here
• 21:29
  to Burley and I had a similar meeting with Jimmy Lanahan.
• 21:33
  He he sat me down and he said, look, this is this is what you
• 21:36
  do well. And he didn't focus at all on
• 21:40
  the other stuff. He was he like he just said,
• 21:43
  like he focused all on the good stuff and luck.
• 21:48
  Make working on your strengths, making your strengths even
• 21:51
  better and then where they can tie up the loose ends.
• 21:54
  Let me try and help you out. There, Yeah, I reckon, as I
• 21:56
  don't like that question to be honest to a. 16 year old.
• 21:59
  What do you mean? Yeah, 100%.
• 22:00
  And like we, we've talked about it before with like Polynesians
• 22:04
  and because we, we like grow up with that respect kind of thing,
• 22:08
  it's it's definitely harder to to answer that question like
• 22:10
  that. I never want to.
• 22:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm more, I'm like, yeah, what
• 22:15
  are you good at? Killing it?
• 22:18
  Yeah, yeah, because, but yeah, now that's that's a that's a
• 22:22
  really good point. And so like you obviously had
• 22:24
  that meeting, got whatever contract your, your training
• 22:27
  gears and whatever and then you'll go into SG Ball season
• 22:30
  and then obviously move into NYC and then after.
• 22:33
  All I ended up, I actually played two seasons of SG Ball so
• 22:37
  well. My second year at the end of
• 22:40
  that first year, one of my coach coaches, he said.
• 22:45
  Also, what what are you? What's your plans for next year?
• 22:47
  What do you want to do next year?
• 22:48
  And I said, oh, well, hopefully I can play again, like, next
• 22:53
  year. And he's like, what do you mean?
• 22:54
  I was like, I'm only 17. And he's like, yeah, I thought
• 22:57
  you were 20. Yeah, at least 30.
• 23:01
  I remember Donza, he was, that was his name.
• 23:03
  He was, he was like, can you play next year?
• 23:06
  And I was like, yeah, I'm only 17, so.
• 23:10
  We looked at his best. That's OK and.
• 23:11
  He was like, yeah, we have to check, we have to check your
• 23:15
  best. But yeah, so I played two years,
• 23:17
  vegetables, I played one year like I was a year young and then
• 23:21
  second year was my right age group.
• 23:23
  And then after that year, then then I went into.
• 23:27
  NYCNYC by the one of the greatest comps of all time, A he
• 23:30
  was one of the best, but what do you reckon about like do you
• 23:33
  reckon they should be bringing that back?
• 23:34
  What was your experience like in that NYC comp?
• 23:36
  My first year, one of my first years, we won the like the
• 23:41
  inaugural year. Oh, did you?
• 23:42
  Yeah, that that 20s team won the 1st 20s.
• 23:46
  Who was like, is that Doug's in that?
• 23:48
  Yeah, you go look at that list, Broncos and the Raiders, the
• 23:52
  names on that thing. Crazy.
• 23:55
  I think like 11 or 12 out of the guys that played, played NRL,
• 24:00
  went on the NRL. But I don't know how you'd go
• 24:04
  now. I can't, I can't see the 20s
• 24:06
  getting back to that level, that level just because I think
• 24:10
  we're, I think we're just lucky in that time that there was that
• 24:13
  many gum, gum players. Coming through just like I know
• 24:17
  because obviously it doesn't exist, you know, now, but with
• 24:22
  with your, I guess, experience and expectees, like do you know
• 24:25
  why it kind of was pushed out the door and you know, they said
• 24:29
  we're not going to have it anymore.
• 24:31
  Well, I think, I think quality, just the quality of games, the
• 24:35
  scores were like 50 to 40 and stuff like that.
• 24:38
  So like it was becoming probably the the quality wasn't wasn't
• 24:43
  great. And then the money, like the
• 24:45
  money, like the money it costs to send yeah to not just your
• 24:49
  NRL team, your 20s team to saying from Canberra to North
• 24:53
  Queensland, like there's a lot of money involved.
• 24:56
  And then like I think they lost TV rights because remember he's
• 25:00
  when he just on TV. Yeah, it was.
• 25:02
  I watched. I watched every single 20s game
• 25:04
  bro. I loved the Warriors 20s team as
• 25:06
  well because they were so mean. Like who would have been in the
• 25:08
  Warriors 20s team when you played?
• 25:09
  Oh man. Is that like Mike Johnson?
• 25:14
  Was it? Yeah, they were playing.
• 25:16
  Yeah, like Conrad Harrell in that Conrad Harrell.
• 25:19
  Yeah. Suspect Conrad Harrell.
• 25:22
  What do you reckon he was? 30 or he was not 20.
• 25:26
  He was not some of those, some of those guys were.
• 25:30
  We'd see them rocking up with their families like their kids.
• 25:34
  What the kiddos and that is? Taragos, we'd see them pop out
• 25:39
  same as the as the Bulldogs. The Bulldogs are another mess.
• 25:44
  Yeah, that was just, it was different, different time back
• 25:46
  then. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Yeah, but I actually was looking up some of the stats in that of
• 25:51
  the NYC and the I think could you play like 2011, I think NYC
• 25:57
  2011. But when did you guys, did you
• 26:00
  play when they made the final and they lost the rabbits?
• 26:04
  Oh, I did play that year, yeah. Because that was that I I
• 26:07
  vividly remember that because bro James Roberts was so mean.
• 26:11
  I love the man. How much did he score?
• 26:13
  Like four tries. That game.
• 26:14
  And he scored that full field runaway try from NGO A that was
• 26:18
  mean A. It was actually been front row
• 26:22
  seats to a lot of good tries against our team.
• 26:24
  Like I've been able to just sit there and watch these guys.
• 26:28
  Wow, that's just crazy. Remember, I've seen, remember
• 26:32
  watching Shawn Johnson caught us up one game and I, I, when his
• 26:37
  highlights come up, I, I look for myself.
• 26:39
  It's me. I'm like, and I remember, I can
• 26:42
  still remember, like sitting there watching guys do some
• 26:45
  crazy stuff. I know what you're talking
• 26:47
  about. When Kroger got his ankle, we
• 26:48
  broke an A with Shawn Johnson. That was the nines, Yeah, that
• 26:51
  was in. That was in nines.
• 26:53
  But yeah, yeah, I've been in front row seat too.
• 26:56
  Good tries against. Yeah, at that point, like NYC,
• 27:00
  like was that when agents came by and started, you know,
• 27:03
  knocking on your door and I think and that.
• 27:05
  My first manager was in SG balls.
• 27:08
  When you you start getting managers OK, like school boys
• 27:12
  era, like around school boys time, that's when they come
• 27:14
  knocking and they had a manager from she didn't really do much.
• 27:20
  I wasn't good enough. I had to be like, he's gonna
• 27:24
  stick his neck. Out so you wouldn't recommend it
• 27:26
  or like? If you're, if you're like good
• 27:29
  enough, like if you're like if you're, if you're him, then I
• 27:32
  reckon your dad could just do it for you because you're at the
• 27:35
  end of the day, you're fully does it.
• 27:37
  Well, that's what Caleb Caleb Pong's dad.
• 27:38
  Doesn't if you're. Whoever said they found Caleb
• 27:42
  Pong. Yeah.
• 27:44
  You didn't find it. You know what I mean?
• 27:47
  Yeah. Yeah, if you're not, I feel sort
• 27:50
  of like where I was. He can.
• 27:53
  Your manager can put, you know, foot in the door then yeah, 100%
• 27:58
  they're helpful. But at that age, they like, cuz
• 28:01
  one thing I've realized from, from players that I've spoken to
• 28:05
  recently when in the past is they talk about how some of
• 28:08
  these agents, they come in and then they, you know, they expect
• 28:11
  some type of the financial reward, you know, from the
• 28:14
  player to do the work for them. And then you just touched on the
• 28:17
  fact that, you know, sometimes they don't do anything for you.
• 28:19
  Yeah. The, you know, do you have any,
• 28:22
  you know, insight for a young kid where, you know, to be
• 28:25
  careful around some of that stuff and how you would go about
• 28:28
  it? How?
• 28:28
  How would you deal with it? I understand.
• 28:30
  I think having your parents there, I remember my first
• 28:34
  meetings was with this guy and I was by myself.
• 28:36
  Well, and like you'd just be like, yeah, sign this, do that,
• 28:39
  and I'll be like. Did you sign?
• 28:42
  Signed with a manager. I thought I made it.
• 28:44
  Yeah, man, I'm the man. I'm gonna.
• 28:46
  But most kids think that though bro.
• 28:47
  Most kids think. That at a young age maybe taking
• 28:50
  taking your parents who you know what they are like read through
• 28:54
  the contract because I think I signed with him for like 5 years
• 28:58
  or something. I was like, oh, late 1617 I
• 29:01
  think. Yeah.
• 29:03
  And I think he was on like he took 7%, which a fair bit.
• 29:08
  That's heaps. If I'd like if I'd gone on to
• 29:11
  make yeah dollars a year, that's a lot of money.
• 29:13
  Yeah, I'd have seen. But like, for me, I'm everyone
• 29:16
  nowhere near that. Kind of, yeah.
• 29:18
  I didn't make it because I didn't want them to get there.
• 29:21
  But yeah, I think it's it's pretty daunting as a young kid
• 29:25
  to have Hillsborough adult meetings with Yeah, 100,
• 29:28
  especially for me. I wasn't, I was pretty shy.
• 29:30
  Yeah, you know enough. Like I was pretty timid.
• 29:33
  I was just, yes, Sir. Like, yeah, I do.
• 29:35
  You just say yes to everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:37
  But yeah, like I said, like your fully ends up doing the talking
• 29:40
  anyway. Yeah, if you're good enough, a
• 29:42
  team's going to come ask you. You're not going to go to your
• 29:45
  manager, you know? What was some of the greatest
• 29:48
  memories? I guess that that you know,
• 29:50
  obviously you winning a premiership with NYC and then
• 29:53
  the inaugural year. Does any other kind of memories
• 29:56
  stick out for you? You know, like any trips.
• 29:59
  Away or I wasn't in that 20s team right that won it, but I
• 30:02
  was. I was in HT ball that time, but
• 30:05
  memories, yeah. Way trips, yeah.
• 30:10
  It's funny. Pre seasons like some of the
• 30:12
  stories that come out of out of pre.
• 30:14
  Seasons like you got a good story about preseason.
• 30:16
  Camps. Oh, my later ones probably are
• 30:21
  like like army camps. Yeah, I remember, I remember
• 30:24
  doing one of my first first army camps.
• 30:26
  We went on like a this is when I was full time.
• 30:28
  We went on a three day. I didn't know it was 3 days, but
• 30:31
  we went on a three day army camp and they give you these luck
• 30:36
  like little ration packs, full army give me these ration packs.
• 30:40
  And there's like the bags about that big nothing in them.
• 30:43
  There's probably like a tuna, a little baked beans, some rank
• 30:47
  army chocolate. And then they're like boys, this
• 30:51
  is this is like your rations for the next couple of days.
• 30:55
  And I remember that our first break, it was after a massive
• 30:59
  slog session. Big Papa, he ate all his in one.
• 31:04
  He ate his whole ration pack in in.
• 31:06
  Within the first hour. Yeah, the one sitting.
• 31:09
  And then stealing. It and then I remember we were
• 31:11
  just like man, we got to we got to slide this guy's got the last
• 31:14
  three days or nothing. Yeah, Army camps.
• 31:19
  I hated them. We had I mean we had an Army
• 31:21
  camp for Billy. I think it was the last time we
• 31:23
  did because, yeah, by that stage I had enough of Army camps done.
• 31:29
  So I went in with the worst attitude.
• 31:31
  Like I remember I was just like, this guy's screaming at me, like
• 31:36
  give me 500 push ups and I'm like, that's impossible.
• 31:40
  First of all, next to you. First of all, don't yell at me.
• 31:45
  First of all, old space you. Like I can't do I don't know if
• 31:49
  anyone can do 500 push ups, but yeah, that they gave that you
• 31:55
  they gave us these like I quick cards like you, you want to
• 32:00
  quit. If you want to quit, sign this
• 32:01
  card, hand it over and then you we'll let you go home.
• 32:05
  Well, and I remember the our coach at time, Jimmy Lenahan.
• 32:10
  I didn't I didn't know until later, but he he got one of the
• 32:14
  boys to go into my bag and and take my quick card because he
• 32:18
  knew I was coming quick because I was taking over an hour in.
• 32:22
  I was yeah, give me yours. I was an hour in.
• 32:26
  I was just worst attitude. I was like, no, I'm not doing
• 32:29
  that. Yeah.
• 32:29
  And then yeah, I remember when we had our first little meeting,
• 32:32
  like, anyone want to quit? And I was looking for one.
• 32:34
  Where's my. But yeah, funny stories like so
• 32:40
  many. Yeah.
• 32:41
  So then obviously you go from NYC and then you roll over and
• 32:46
  you just mentioned that, you know, you, you got a full time
• 32:48
  contract with the Raiders and stuff.
• 32:50
  So how did that kind of play out for you?
• 32:55
  Yeah, obviously it was that that was like dream come true, sort
• 32:58
  of. And at the time my cousin was my
• 33:00
  cousin was with me, Michael Cheeken.
• 33:01
  So like it was your cousin. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:03
  Everything still going? Yeah, yeah, still going.
• 33:07
  We used to go training together. I was pretty like unbelievable
• 33:10
  life. Yeah.
• 33:11
  Like we got to go young kids to only 20 and we got to go.
• 33:16
  We just got a training together like our our little crew that we
• 33:19
  had then back then was like good solid group of boys.
• 33:25
  Yeah, just rolled in from from 20s into into the full time
• 33:29
  system. Just sort of young, young kids
• 33:32
  living their dream. Bro and that and those full time
• 33:35
  dudes, I was looking at them like Terry Campisi, like
• 33:38
  Shillington, Bro Finsum, all those dudes, Bro like what was
• 33:42
  it like playing with those dudes?
• 33:44
  Yeah, it was. It was.
• 33:45
  Well, they get welcoming and training, isn't it?
• 33:47
  Or they kind of. Like yeah, Story and Dane Tills
• 33:53
  we'd we'd done pre season, we'd done full time for almost I've
• 33:58
  done I'd been there for like a year and a year and a bit.
• 34:00
  And back then it was like all the first graders had their like
• 34:06
  locker room and then all the shit kickers, our own sort of
• 34:10
  locker room. And then I remember we had a
• 34:13
  training session one time and for whatever reason, till she
• 34:17
  came into our showers and he was like, oh, so where where are
• 34:21
  you? Where are you from?
• 34:22
  Like he and I was like, Tulsi, I've been training with you for
• 34:25
  like 2. I've been training with you for
• 34:28
  two years. And he was like, oh really?
• 34:31
  And I was like, wait, what? But that was sort of that's old
• 34:37
  school back then. Like, not that they wouldn't
• 34:39
  talk to you, but like, it's not. Yeah.
• 34:42
  You kind of have to sort of in your first grade sort of locker
• 34:45
  back then. Like we had to.
• 34:47
  Yeah. Like, yeah.
• 34:49
  It's good times, but so different.
• 34:52
  Like so different to. Them now, like honestly, it
• 34:54
  seems like so long ago, like I know it's probably not you'll
• 34:56
  probably you probably have a complete different perspective.
• 35:00
  But like those boys like Shillington fence soon and Cam
• 35:03
  Peasy in my head, they were in an era where it was like 1
• 35:07
  training a week and like, but they've had jobs or something
• 35:10
  like it's almost like the 80s NBA for me.
• 35:15
  No but like bro that is like I don't know, it just seems ages
• 35:20
  ago now for me. They were, yeah, they were old
• 35:23
  school. They loved the good time.
• 35:25
  Then those lads back then, like you couldn't half the stuff they
• 35:28
  were doing back then. There's no way you could do it.
• 35:30
  Like it was I I remember the like some Monday mornings all
• 35:36
  all the boys would have these little, you know, there's little
• 35:39
  pink Musk sticks like lollies. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:43
  So the heaps of them would be like chewing on them and I'd be
• 35:45
  like, what's going on here? My ways.
• 35:48
  And it was to hide the alcohol, the alcohol smell.
• 35:53
  Yeah. All the older, all the older
• 35:54
  boys would be out on the on the grog on a Sunday.
• 35:57
  Yeah, come rolling in Monday and like, yeah, it was first grade
• 36:02
  back then, a lot different to 1st grade now, Yeah.
• 36:05
  And like, because we talked about it with with Shawnee as
• 36:08
  well. And like, because I guess you
• 36:10
  have this like stigma of if you play NRL, you do every 1% and
• 36:14
  you never drink. You have the best diet.
• 36:16
  Like, and that's what's fed to the kids these days.
• 36:19
  And like, not to be the devil's advocate, but like, but heaps of
• 36:22
  the meanest players and the NRL players, you hear stories and
• 36:25
  they're the craziest and like you hear these stories and like,
• 36:29
  they probably go out drinking and stuff, but then they're
• 36:31
  probably still winning fitness and that like I.
• 36:34
  Think it's still different now. They're like the the young guys
• 36:37
  now. It's like almost like it's a,
• 36:39
  it's a cool thing to be locked in.
• 36:40
  Like it's part of their Instagram.
• 36:44
  Yeah, yeah. Like I don't drink, don't do
• 36:46
  anything. They're just, they're just
• 36:47
  locked in, which is I wish I had that like coming through, maybe
• 36:52
  I would have played 300 games. But no, you know, it was just
• 36:56
  the, the different, different era, you know, like different
• 37:00
  era then to now. Just talking about yeah, 300K we
• 37:06
  got, we got some Intel. There's only 300 children.
• 37:11
  We got some Intel from someone that that message into the chat
• 37:14
  and he was talking about how you're already planning your,
• 37:17
  your, I guess your, your, your celebration for when UK, you
• 37:21
  know, if you if you were to reach 300th.
• 37:23
  Game I know who that don't believe it, idiot.
• 37:28
  He what did he say about? He was too big and they couldn't
• 37:32
  contain me. Like that's what apparently
• 37:34
  you're saying about yourself. I.
• 37:36
  Can't believe that I know exactly you said that too.
• 37:40
  And then, but then is there any story around, you know, any of
• 37:44
  that being true or. Yeah, he's, that's my.
• 37:47
  Older brother, yeah. Talking smack the the debut
• 37:50
  against Benji the way and I actually looked at the box
• 37:53
  score. He had a he had a drop go
• 37:54
  against you guys. Benji.
• 37:56
  Yeah. Was it to win that?
• 37:58
  I think he ended up beating you by 7 so they must have scored a
• 38:00
  try as well. But yeah.
• 38:01
  Was it you debut against Benji? Yeah, yeah, debut was.
• 38:04
  I was pretty lucky actually. I didn't.
• 38:06
  I didn't play heaps of games, but all the games I did play I
• 38:09
  got to play against like stars. Oh my goods.
• 38:11
  Oh my God, that must the first Benji.
• 38:13
  He was our going up like we all used to think We'll Benji.
• 38:17
  Yeah. And I, I remember I tackled him.
• 38:21
  I tackled him one time first. First probably my only tackle on
• 38:25
  the wing. I I chased him down, tackled
• 38:27
  him. And I remember he he's he patted
• 38:29
  me on the heels like good tackle boy.
• 38:32
  And I was just like, yeah, this guy just talked to me.
• 38:36
  Benji Marshes just talked to me. It's crazy.
• 38:39
  And then, yeah, yeah, I was pretty lucky.
• 38:41
  I got to play against all the Goats, really, of our era,
• 38:44
  except for I just missed out on Lockyer, maybe, But I got to
• 38:49
  play Sonny Bill. Like, did you?
• 38:51
  Yeah, I got to play against him. Inglis or Nah?
• 38:54
  GI. Did you did he tackle or Nah?
• 38:56
  Nah, he tackled me. He tackled me GIJT all all the
• 39:05
  go to Valerio. I got to I was lucky enough to
• 39:07
  play play against, but it was also it was weird, like I I felt
• 39:11
  like I was just front row seat like I was.
• 39:14
  I remember shaking hands with them after.
• 39:15
  I didn't know whether to like shake hands or like, yeah,
• 39:19
  picture, but it was pretty cool and pretty, pretty lucky.
• 39:24
  Yeah. Did you, What was your kind of
• 39:27
  mindset at that age? I know you were pretty young
• 39:29
  then. And then when you kind of knew,
• 39:31
  OK, this is the player that I'm coming up against, you know,
• 39:34
  like you just mentioned, some of, you know, the greats like
• 39:36
  JT, Sonny Bill and and all that. Like what's a young player's
• 39:40
  mindset, you know, when you know, you're coming up against
• 39:42
  guns like that? And and then you hear someone
• 39:44
  say that you could tackle Nif, you know, like.
• 39:46
  Yeah, I was pretty obviously, like I said, I I was really
• 39:51
  lucky really to I think every to get my debut.
• 39:54
  I think every cat dog was injured in camper for me to
• 39:58
  everyone was injured. So I, I think I was like the
• 40:01
  bottom of the barrel to, I think they're like.
• 40:04
  Right, took yourself up a little bit, Baby I.
• 40:06
  Think it was injured. They were like, oh, this guy, we
• 40:10
  got to play this guy. But yeah, I was, I was, I always
• 40:13
  felt like I was just, I was lucky to be there.
• 40:15
  I was so I didn't. I just, I remember all my games
• 40:19
  too, because, yeah, well, I didn't get to play many so.
• 40:22
  And it was always just a like, it was a dream come true.
• 40:26
  Literally every week, every week I'd play.
• 40:27
  It was like a huge event for like my whole family.
• 40:31
  And it was never like I never got comfortable enough to be
• 40:34
  like I'm a first grader in it. So it was always every time I
• 40:38
  played, it was like like pinch yourself moment.
• 40:41
  Yeah, well, I've got to go out then and just doing it with some
• 40:46
  of my best mates. Yeah, like guys that I grew up
• 40:49
  with, guys that yeah, come from SG ball up to we were playing
• 40:54
  first grade together. It was always like I remember
• 40:56
  like looking around sometimes like man, I'm in the NRL field.
• 40:59
  Yeah, like I'm playing. You're really doing it.
• 41:01
  Yeah, I'm actually doing that, yeah.
• 41:03
  And it was, yes, my debut was my debut was like it was the best,
• 41:08
  one of the best days of my life other than married and kids and
• 41:11
  all that. Of course.
• 41:12
  It was like like the club gave me like I think the club gave me
• 41:17
  70 tickets, wow, 70 tickets. And all the boys gave me because
• 41:22
  it was an away game so they weren't using them.
• 41:24
  So I had like 100 or something tickets really my debut.
• 41:29
  And I still had like it was down in, it was in Sydney.
• 41:32
  So all my Sydney family came, well, I'm, I'm sure some of them
• 41:36
  were still jumping the fence to get in, but like, it was just,
• 41:39
  it was huge. All my school mates came pretty,
• 41:43
  pretty crazy. But back to your question.
• 41:46
  I was, I was always like, I'm just lucky, you know, don't,
• 41:51
  don't stuff up. Just do your job.
• 41:53
  Like don't try any chases. Just stay in your lane kind of
• 41:58
  thing. We had, yeah, we had some gone
• 42:01
  outside backs. Yeah.
• 42:03
  Was there a memorable stadium? Because I imagine like, we've
• 42:07
  seen some of the highlights and some of the games you've played
• 42:09
  in and we've just seen some of the crowds you've played in
• 42:11
  front of them, bro, they're just insane, you know?
• 42:14
  And so is there a particular teams crowd other than, you
• 42:17
  know, the Raiders? Other than like being at home
• 42:20
  was like, that was like, like I said, it was so surreal.
• 42:23
  Like I remember I'd gone for the Raiders my whole life, go to the
• 42:26
  game and we'd sneak up into the boxes.
• 42:28
  So being at home was like surreal.
• 42:30
  But the, I think 1, I think was my second game against s s in
• 42:37
  Sydney. That's when they were, they were
• 42:39
  humming. Their crowd was massive.
• 42:41
  That's probably the biggest crowd I've played in front of.
• 42:45
  And then Melbourne on Anzac Day played that game.
• 42:49
  That was wild too. Yeah, true.
• 42:51
  That was up against Sisa Wonga. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:57
  I played against him and he was killing it.
• 43:00
  Yeah. So yeah, that in terms of crowd,
• 43:05
  probably, yeah. Those two, those two are the
• 43:08
  most memorable. But obviously favorite one was
• 43:10
  favorite would be playing at home.
• 43:12
  Yeah, a camera in front of Yeah, all my family.
• 43:16
  The we had a funny, another funny story just to throw it
• 43:19
  back to apparently like because obviously, like back then you
• 43:25
  would have been training hard and stuff like that and your
• 43:28
  diet and that would have been pretty tip top.
• 43:30
  Odd thing. It wasn't, it wasn't great, but
• 43:32
  apparently they the Canberra had a talk to you about the your
• 43:37
  your diet at one time. Yeah.
• 43:39
  So like coming into into first grade, I wasn't, I was pretty
• 43:44
  light. And that was back when like the
• 43:47
  wingers were like your money. That too was just all big strong
• 43:50
  carriers. And I think I was, I actually
• 43:53
  struggled weight wise. I was coming out of 20s.
• 43:56
  I was like pushing 90 KGS and then now I remember the coaches
• 44:01
  and stuff with luckily, if you want to, if you want to play
• 44:04
  first grade, you're going to need to get put some weight on
• 44:07
  and get to, you know, try get around 100K mark.
• 44:10
  And then we had that preseason and now introducing, you know,
• 44:15
  your diets and all the things you like you got to do as a
• 44:19
  first grader that sort of your weights and all that heaps and
• 44:22
  all those important things. And then I remember by the end
• 44:26
  of the pre season I got to, I got the goal waiting.
• 44:31
  But then by the end of it they were like, mate, you got to get
• 44:34
  back there, what are you, what are you doing?
• 44:38
  Like. You're both exceeded what we.
• 44:41
  Wanted you're going to pass the way we went to the next pre
• 44:45
  season and then they were like well, like what are you doing?
• 44:47
  Like we're training full time. Hand breaking.
• 44:51
  What are you like? You got to get back to your 100
• 44:53
  kilos. And then they were like, I
• 44:56
  remember I had to go in with, with the strength and
• 44:58
  conditioning coach. She was like showing me how to
• 45:00
  do it like our, our protein shakes.
• 45:02
  This is the story you're after. And I was just there sitting
• 45:07
  there making it like normal. And then I was like, oh,
• 45:09
  where's, where's, where's the ice cream?
• 45:15
  The train was like ice cream. And I was like, yeah, then then
• 45:19
  you put ice cream. So here I am having chocolate
• 45:23
  smoothies. 2 chocolate smoothies with ice cream a day instead of.
• 45:27
  And you thought it was. You thought it was like a gun
• 45:29
  like green smoothie? Yeah, I was just like, oh, just
• 45:32
  a bit of ice cream in there and do it then it won't matter.
• 45:34
  But yeah, the Kitty milkshakes here I am having chocolate thick
• 45:38
  shakes. Twice a day tastes so good I'm
• 45:41
  gonna have it every. Day instead of chocolate
• 45:44
  protein. Eating healthy is easy, yeah.
• 45:47
  Putting on weight I'm still still trying to get.
• 45:52
  It's still trying to recover. Still, yeah, but different
• 45:56
  times. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:58
  I mean, so after the, I mean at the back end of kind of your,
• 46:02
  your Raiders days, like at what point did you kind of know your,
• 46:06
  you know, you had a, you know, somewhat of a successful start
• 46:10
  there and then, yeah. And then all of a sudden you
• 46:12
  get, you know, told you're going to go back to reserve grade or
• 46:16
  you're, you're on, you're on the out.
• 46:18
  Like, how did that all kind of come about?
• 46:20
  Yeah, that was that was actually pretty, that was pretty hard
• 46:24
  when I was like, I grew up in Canberra, so I never wanted to
• 46:27
  leave. But like first, first being
• 46:33
  told, you know, here next year, I was like, oh shit, here we go.
• 46:36
  Like what do I do now? I didn't want to work, still
• 46:39
  don't. So I was saying that's what I
• 46:42
  was scared of really like how am I like, what's what's next?
• 46:45
  And I was only 25, I think 2012 actually, no, I wouldn't have
• 46:48
  been younger. But yeah, initially being told
• 46:51
  that you're not the NXG was like the first sort of like not it
• 46:57
  wasn't that odd being told you don't mean there anymore, it's
• 47:00
  not the end of the world. But yeah, being told you got to
• 47:05
  move on next year, that was that was hard.
• 47:07
  But did. They give you a reason why like,
• 47:11
  well, you know, you went in the plans or they're bringing
• 47:13
  someone in. I think they had.
• 47:15
  A couple of young guns coming through and they're pretty
• 47:17
  sordid in the like the outside back and I was probably just
• 47:21
  going to hang around there and just be like call in guy again,
• 47:26
  like, and I didn't mind being that.
• 47:28
  I think I think they cared, like I think they thought, oh, this
• 47:31
  guy wants to. But at the time I was just I was
• 47:33
  just happy to sort of be around. But it was probably a good thing
• 47:37
  because that's sort of what sort of shifted the mentality to sort
• 47:41
  of go out and like have a crack. And it wasn't until, yeah, that
• 47:47
  next year I went to Cronulla. I only played a handful there
• 47:50
  too. But that changed the mentality
• 47:53
  to sort of because I'm pretty laid back, pretty crazy dude.
• 47:58
  Like I wasn't really a go getter, but that, yeah, there
• 48:03
  that year and then and then moving up here was, yeah, that
• 48:07
  that changed the mentality shift.
• 48:08
  Because because it kind of seemed like from there and it
• 48:10
  was like a dream where you like when boom, boom, boom, boom,
• 48:12
  keep stepping up, you're an NRL and you hadn't really gone
• 48:15
  through adversity yet. And then this was like, damn
• 48:17
  character building. When you're down to Sydney, I've
• 48:21
  never, yeah, sort of lived at home my whole life.
• 48:23
  Never. Not the greatest cook.
• 48:25
  So I had to look after me. Jules stayed in Canberra, Yeah.
• 48:29
  So I was sort of on my own down there.
• 48:32
  I was travelling back home every weekend.
• 48:35
  Yeah. I'm sick.
• 48:37
  I was 3 hours away. It was kind of ridiculous.
• 48:39
  Yeah. But yeah, character building, I
• 48:43
  guess. Yeah.
• 48:44
  But it was like, it's no different than I'm sure everyone
• 48:48
  does at that age. Everyone, Yeah, who's chasing
• 48:50
  the dream goes goes through it. But it was.
• 48:53
  It was. I think that's a crazy thing
• 48:55
  though that that normal people don't like.
• 48:56
  If you have a normal job, you don't just get fired by that,
• 48:59
  but but you don't you don't come off like of my engineer job
• 49:02
  there. My boss doesn't come to that
• 49:04
  like, but we got this gun engineer.
• 49:06
  We just like next year best if you like, probably if you try,
• 49:10
  but no one goes through that. Like that's your identity, your
• 49:12
  work you do every day. And then you're getting like,
• 49:15
  you know, that's a that's a tough thing to do.
• 49:17
  And like, like you said, like you're, you're young.
• 49:19
  Yeah. So that's that's pretty hard to
• 49:20
  deal with. Yeah, on your like lucky I'm I
• 49:24
  was at home, but I think for kids who are like living away by
• 49:29
  getting old, stuff like that, yeah, it would be pretty hard.
• 49:33
  But for sure, yeah, it's all, it's all part of the journey.
• 49:36
  So was was it, did you kind of go over to Cornell on a training
• 49:40
  trial deal or was it more like you're going to get signed top
• 49:42
  30? Yeah.
• 49:43
  Here we go. Yeah, we go.
• 49:45
  I signed there. Were the other clubs interested
• 49:49
  at the time as well? Was there a reason why I
• 49:51
  specifically chose Cornell or were they the only ones was?
• 49:53
  It Newcastle, Yeah, OK, I was going to be in Newcastle but
• 49:57
  yeah, like I said, Cornell was 3 hours from home and I always
• 50:01
  wanted to I don't know I was I'd get home pretty easy.
• 50:06
  It's it. I don't know why I'm fully grown
• 50:08
  adult getting home but. It happens bro, It happens.
• 50:14
  But I think I just chose Cronulla because it was, it was
• 50:19
  closer to home, closer to Newcastle.
• 50:21
  But my first day at Cronulla, I there was like we spoke about
• 50:25
  earlier in the podcast, my my own field antics.
• 50:30
  I I had like a scrap with like 5 of the guys.
• 50:33
  What? Yeah, the first day No at
• 50:35
  training previous Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:38
  Got you got playing against them yeah.
• 50:40
  So my first day going in I was so nervous I was.
• 50:44
  Like these guys hate me? These guys hate Paddy, Paul,
• 50:46
  Teddy, me. Yeah.
• 50:47
  Oh, true. Yeah.
• 50:48
  We had, we used to have little run insurance and we were, yeah.
• 50:51
  Playing each other. Yeah.
• 50:53
  But yeah, there's like a few guys on that in that locker room
• 50:55
  that I knew I'd I'd like. Yeah, Jason Piquilla, me and him
• 50:59
  he got. In.
• 51:00
  Yeah, the the year before we had funny stories like I always
• 51:05
  bring up because they're good friends.
• 51:06
  Yeah, yeah. But we we had like a little push
• 51:08
  and shove when we were versing each other.
• 51:10
  And the scariest thing anyone's ever said to me, he was like, he
• 51:14
  grabbed me, pulled me in and he goes, trust me, I'm not the one.
• 51:17
  And I was just, I was like, damn.
• 51:22
  Oh yeah, it's good. Backed up straight away.
• 51:25
  But yeah, I, I had, I went to that locker room and I
• 51:28
  remembered it was like, I felt like everyone just looked at me
• 51:30
  like, oh, here he is. Oh, yeah.
• 51:34
  But yeah, that was it was they were good days.
• 51:38
  Yeah, hi guys. Anyone want to be my friend?
• 51:41
  I'm all good, promise. Paddy's not welcoming and good.
• 51:45
  Yeah. Let alone when you had a
• 51:48
  rounding me. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:51
  But yeah, that's true. That was that was mad, mad
• 51:53
  times. So were you there just for the
• 51:55
  year at Cronulla? Or were you there for a couple
• 51:57
  of years? I signed for two, but again, I
• 52:01
  think they had a option on their behalf.
• 52:05
  They had to use it by around like I think it was around 20 or
• 52:10
  something like that. Some weird thing in my contract
• 52:13
  and that they just never. So I signed for two years, but
• 52:15
  then I didn't, I actually didn't get, haven't talked to the coach
• 52:19
  or anything like really. Well, why you're not staying on?
• 52:21
  I just got to the end of the year and yeah, just that was it.
• 52:24
  That was it. What?
• 52:25
  Yeah, it was, there was no luck. He he never sort of sent
• 52:28
  anything. Who was the coach?
• 52:31
  Flanner. Flanner was the coach.
• 52:32
  Oh well, mad coach, but mad mad dude.
• 52:35
  I don't know, maybe just didn't get around.
• 52:37
  Like there was no end of season review or anything like that.
• 52:40
  It was. I don't like this is a personal
• 52:43
  opinion, but I don't like that egg because it's like it leads a
• 52:45
  player in limbo, you know? And this is your professional.
• 52:48
  Yeah. You sort of got to think about
• 52:50
  the your next move. Yeah, 100%.
• 52:52
  But sometimes, like, you don't know what that next move is
• 52:54
  going to be as well. Yeah, I know.
• 52:56
  And that's why I'm kind of just like, oh, that's a little bit
• 52:59
  unprofessional to a certain extent.
• 53:00
  Yeah. Well, that's sort of where
• 53:02
  you're managing it to step in. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
• 53:05
  Yeah, 7% ring, ring super percent.
• 53:09
  That's what I'm saying. If you're not like a big
• 53:11
  Fishman, no one like your manager's, not really.
• 53:13
  Yeah, well, but at that point you're playing NRL.
• 53:15
  Yeah, you know, But still, I think he had, he had some big
• 53:19
  dogs on his, his Yeah, he probably didn't really.
• 53:23
  Have realized he was signed. That's what I was saying.
• 53:26
  Like, unless you're like one of the big dogs, Yeah.
• 53:29
  Oh. This guy's still on my list.
• 53:31
  Yeah, it's. Interesting me, man.
• 53:34
  My numbers don't answer, but yeah, like, yeah, like I said,
• 53:39
  you fully should do the talking for you.
• 53:41
  Yeah. When it doesn't, then your
• 53:42
  manager should should step, step back.
• 53:45
  He kind of went, yeah, he kind of went missing in that time.
• 53:47
  So we're too from there then, if that's what you were told.
• 53:50
  I mean, you weren't told. I just, well, I didn't, it got
• 53:53
  past that round where I was going to negotiate next year and
• 53:57
  I just so I just assumed I was like, oh, I'm obviously not here
• 54:00
  next year, so just play the year out with Newtown and then yeah,
• 54:07
  just see what happens. And I, I was actually signed
• 54:11
  with a Super League team. How OK, yeah, signed with them.
• 54:17
  So I would I would have been over there with Kempo and he
• 54:20
  was, I don't remember talking to him throughout the whole time.
• 54:22
  He's like, yeah, you'll love it here.
• 54:23
  It's mad. Yeah, I signed with them, but
• 54:27
  then Titans got back to me. That's how I got up here.
• 54:32
  I was through the Titans. Through the Titans, Yeah.
• 54:34
  Jimmy Lennan gave me a call. He rang me and he was like, hey,
• 54:37
  did you like obviously without my manager now he was just like,
• 54:42
  would you come up here for a preseason?
• 54:44
  And then if you if you saw him with Titans and you saw him with
• 54:50
  them. But if you if you don't, just
• 54:51
  stay on with Billy. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
• 54:56
  sweet. I I did that, but I didn't I
• 54:59
  told him that I signed with Super League as well, but I had
• 55:02
  nothing to sort of in the meantime, just the plan was just
• 55:06
  to do pre season for Titans. Yeah, just to keep training
• 55:09
  until until I went to go over the Super league.
• 55:12
  Yeah, yeah, did did the move up here, did the Titans pre season,
• 55:17
  did another horrible army camp And but at the end of that pre
• 55:23
  season they they were like, yeah, we're not we're not going
• 55:25
  to keep you. And I was like, yeah, all good,
• 55:26
  I'm going to Super League anyway.
• 55:29
  And then yeah, the Super League deal.
• 55:32
  I was I think I was the first, first player to get my visa got
• 55:37
  declined because they that's when they brought in the 5050
• 55:40
  rule. Oh true.
• 55:42
  You have to have played 50% year prior in the NRL, NRL unless you
• 55:46
  had an injury. So I don't know that.
• 55:51
  Yes, Fuzzy. I didn't know it either.
• 55:55
  So I was bags packed and everything.
• 55:56
  Me. Yeah.
• 55:57
  Me and Jules are ready to go. Oh, wow.
• 55:59
  I was talking to Jamie Peacock the the goat.
• 56:05
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, the big dude, the British.
• 56:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. Is that the Roosters and all?
• 56:09
  That he, he was that Roosters, I don't know if he played.
• 56:14
  Rugby. League, but take it back.
• 56:17
  Yeah, he was retract, retract. He called me and I was I was
• 56:20
  waking now. I was like, I'm talking to like
• 56:24
  the goat, the goat, the English goat.
• 56:26
  Wow. And he was like, I think he was
• 56:28
  either coach or had something to do with the team over there.
• 56:31
  I didn't hear, I didn't remember, like understand the
• 56:34
  word he was saying. But he was like, all I
• 56:36
  understood was, yeah, sorry, mate, it's falling through.
• 56:39
  Like we can't get you over here. And that was the morning of our
• 56:42
  flight. No way.
• 56:44
  Morning of our flight to go over what?
• 56:46
  Yeah. That was crazy.
• 56:48
  That's insane, boy. So Jules and I had done the
• 56:51
  move. It's Queensland.
• 56:52
  Oh, I did car and everything and then moved everything back to
• 56:57
  Canberra because we're going to leave it all in Canberra while
• 57:00
  we're off in England. Wow.
• 57:02
  Yeah. And then that phone call
• 57:04
  happened. Then we had to drive it all back
• 57:05
  up. Oh my gosh, It was early days,
• 57:09
  was it? Was were you abusing them?
• 57:11
  Were you like bro you should have been doing the admin.
• 57:13
  Yeah. Oh well, there's nothing.
• 57:15
  You can't really do catch that point.
• 57:17
  Wow. Wow, that's crazy.
• 57:20
  So then I had to call, just go and Jimmy again and be like,
• 57:23
  hey, jokes, gotcha, not going anymore.
• 57:28
  Is there still a contract there for me to come play up early?
• 57:31
  And then that's it. 10 years, 10 years.
• 57:36
  That's a crazy story, bro. Crazy start.
• 57:38
  Yeah, you start to. Just how everything unfolded at
• 57:41
  Yeah. But you wouldn't, that's that's
• 57:43
  the thing, you know, like if you're saying you didn't even
• 57:45
  know about. It this whole time I I didn't
• 57:47
  have my manager. He was yeah, he was signed.
• 57:50
  I'd done all that stuff on my own.
• 57:51
  Yeah, signed with with them over there.
• 57:53
  Like yeah, yeah, yeah. Did my pre season on my own.
• 57:57
  I got my burly thing on my own. So maybe Barry, you are a go
• 58:01
  getter there. Maybe I should be a manager.
• 58:02
  Yeah, she is. Or maybe not because you didn't
• 58:05
  get the visa. Yeah.
• 58:09
  I even had to go to someone to get my someone like passport so
• 58:14
  I didn't. So I qualified as a
• 58:17
  international, all right. I wouldn't, I wouldn't count as
• 58:20
  one of their NRL players. You did that by yourself.
• 58:22
  You did all that. Yeah, so.
• 58:23
  And that still didn't work. Yeah, then, but they brought
• 58:26
  that rule. In there and that's what. 50
• 58:28
  yeah, 50 rule which, yeah, it stung me.
• 58:30
  But that's the other thing, you know, like I was just going to
• 58:33
  say before that, you know, you wouldn't have been the only
• 58:35
  player that that would have been stung by that, bro.
• 58:37
  There would have been heaps, you know who who probably had that
• 58:39
  same thought process. You know, I'm going to get over
• 58:41
  there in the Super League and then Nick Minute.
• 58:44
  That's what happens and it's just like fire up that.
• 58:46
  All makes no sense. Well, so you have to play 50% of
• 58:50
  your games and Aussie the year before any narrow.
• 58:54
  Why is that? Because that means you're gonna
• 58:56
  get that's trying to get better players to go then, is that
• 58:58
  right? I think maybe because they're
• 59:00
  wanting, they want their own players over there, you know,
• 59:04
  they want to develop. Otherwise, just everyone's going
• 59:06
  to come and. I think that's what was
• 59:07
  happening, wasn't? It it's not even a rule anymore.
• 59:09
  Yeah, they brushed that after. Yeah, I think they brushed it
• 59:12
  after a couple of. Years.
• 59:13
  Yeah, it's stupid. Yeah, it's a dumb one.
• 59:15
  Now you can go over at 24, like if you're 24 and under you don't
• 59:19
  even have to play. And I really like You Come True.
• 59:21
  So heaps of young boys are over there at the moment.
• 59:23
  I got you, yeah, as well. But yeah, everything happens for
• 59:27
  a reason, Yeah. So I'm glad I didn't get
• 59:30
  Outlook. Really.
• 59:31
  Yeah, yeah. The life we've got in the Gold
• 59:33
  Coast. Like who knows what would have
• 59:35
  happened if I? Got in early in that Palm Beach
• 59:38
  real. Estate A Oh damn, that was a.
• 59:41
  Goldmine bro, when you first bought there Well, this is a
• 59:45
  little off league, but like was it how much like you don't have
• 59:48
  to say how much exactly, but how was it way cheaper back then
• 59:51
  when you got it yeah because they'll borrow that that's the
• 59:54
  prime location. Eh, I don't know if.
• 59:56
  He's been there, He's been there.
• 59:57
  I've been there once. Yeah.
• 59:58
  Yeah, it. Was a good spot, very lucky.
• 1:00:01
  Yeah, that's gun man. What was the like?
• 1:00:04
  So obviously you just signed with Burley and you're playing
• 1:00:07
  Quick Q Cup, but this means now you go to go get a job.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, bro, that was scary. That was that was my first job
• 1:00:16
  was keep in mind, we've been full time since school.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah. And my first job was with Patty
• 1:00:24
  Vivi and Pat Politoni. We were, what do they call it,
• 1:00:30
  landscaping. And I lasted 3 days.
• 1:00:34
  I did 3 days landscaping. And I rang Jimmy back and I said
• 1:00:38
  I'm going home. I rang you back.
• 1:00:41
  I was like, Nah, this isn't for me.
• 1:00:44
  I can't do this. This is hell.
• 1:00:46
  But I'm sure he hated. I was like going back, going
• 1:00:50
  back there meantime. And then that third day, like, I
• 1:00:54
  don't have the hands for it. I rang him and I was just like,
• 1:00:57
  Nah, like he's got to do something else.
• 1:00:59
  Like I can't. I'm getting up at like 334
• 1:01:03
  o'clock. Oh my gosh.
• 1:01:05
  And I lived with Patty at the time.
• 1:01:06
  And I remember he'd wake me up and he'd be like, oh, like,
• 1:01:10
  we've got to go to work and I'll be like, this can't be it, man.
• 1:01:13
  Like, this is not it. I swear to God.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah, I'd be like God, and this is the easiest part of the day.
• 1:01:23
  Landscaping was no joking. Like I remember and like my my
• 1:01:27
  three days I was doing all the shit jobs like.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, mixing concrete. Mixing concrete carrying
• 1:01:31
  wheelbarrows like yeah, front of the house to the back of this
• 1:01:34
  house down this like little as walkway.
• 1:01:36
  And I was just in my head like. Every step.
• 1:01:41
  Where did you go? I had the best life.
• 1:01:45
  I had the best life like. My trainers back in the day
• 1:01:48
  would like on a hard day, they'd be like boys, You could be
• 1:01:51
  digging holes. And I and then I was there.
• 1:01:54
  I was like, man, I'm I'm. Here I'm I'm digging holes.
• 1:01:56
  I'm digging holes. You're digging back to those ice
• 1:01:59
  cream smoothies. Thinking, no, yeah, I should
• 1:02:03
  have trained harder, but yeah, those three days I I, like I
• 1:02:08
  said, I rang Jimmy. I was like, Nah, I'm not, I'm
• 1:02:10
  going to do something else. And then I started my, yeah, my
• 1:02:14
  electrical apprenticeship and then so much easier on the body.
• 1:02:20
  Yeah, it was hard on the brain, like.
• 1:02:23
  Are you there's an electrician? Are you in the roof, in there
• 1:02:26
  or? I used to be, Yeah, I used to
• 1:02:27
  be. And Nah, not even Georgie House.
• 1:02:30
  Is it Georgie House? Georgie Shadow?
• 1:02:32
  How's he grouse? He's in there doing most of the
• 1:02:36
  Yeah, it was tough, Yeah, tough. That's a.
• 1:02:38
  Transition from full time to to work I.
• 1:02:41
  Think and training as well because the Q cup training is
• 1:02:43
  still hard. Yeah, it's still hard.
• 1:02:46
  I've heard some players say that the Q Cup training.
• 1:02:48
  Is actually harder because it's hard because you don't get the
• 1:02:51
  recovery that the full timers get, like, yeah, like same as
• 1:02:55
  like you play on a Sunday, you're not getting massages and
• 1:02:58
  stuff the next day you're going to work and most of the boys are
• 1:03:01
  doing like labouring sort of, yeah.
• 1:03:05
  But yeah, it was a tough, tough transition from from full time
• 1:03:08
  to yeah, it would be getting into the workforce.
• 1:03:11
  So I opened a. 165 games later, bro.
• 1:03:14
  And during that time, obviously I think of something like 8587,
• 1:03:19
  somewhere between their tries and two premierships, something
• 1:03:22
  like that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:24
  And two premierships as well. You know, obviously there'll be
• 1:03:28
  some, quite some memorable times that at Bailey and you know,
• 1:03:31
  the, the, the boys you've played with and the coaches you've been
• 1:03:34
  coached by, trainers that you've been trained by and all the
• 1:03:37
  trips and stuff. Is there any particular, you
• 1:03:39
  know, time, you know, during this 10 year period where you
• 1:03:43
  know, you've been like, man, you know, you just wish you could go
• 1:03:45
  back to that time where you just look back on you like, man, that
• 1:03:48
  was the best. Yeah, recently, recently, like
• 1:03:53
  now denim, what we see way past the prime years.
• 1:03:59
  But I just thinking about those sort of first year, like
• 1:04:04
  everyone, our first year here, 2016 we won the comp and then
• 1:04:09
  again in 2019. I haven't actually, they haven't
• 1:04:14
  really had that much time to sit back and like think about those
• 1:04:17
  times. I think that'll probably happen
• 1:04:20
  after the footy career. But the friendships you make in
• 1:04:24
  that time, they're like something you hold onto, the
• 1:04:28
  friendships and the memories. Obviously not all, not always
• 1:04:33
  been like smooth sailing. Like you just heard the start
• 1:04:37
  was start was rough, little patch cut would be rough.
• 1:04:41
  Good COVID. Yeah, COVID like that time.
• 1:04:44
  But yeah, like, like you said, just so many good memories.
• 1:04:49
  Did you say any one good memory? No, just any.
• 1:04:52
  Oh, any yeah, yeah, yeah. Grand finals, obviously they're
• 1:04:55
  they're the best luck. Grand finals is the first one
• 1:04:58
  was first one was mad because we were all young and we were all
• 1:05:02
  like, but we we sorted the team we had.
• 1:05:06
  If we didn't win it like it would have been embarrassing,
• 1:05:08
  but we were sort of a lot of us moved up here at the same time.
• 1:05:12
  That's when the the club had a big, big clean out and brought a
• 1:05:16
  heap of us in from out of the Burley Burley area.
• 1:05:22
  And yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy brought us in.
• 1:05:25
  He wanted to just change how things were going at the club.
• 1:05:28
  They hadn't been in finals for a while.
• 1:05:31
  And yeah, we won that year pretty convincingly.
• 1:05:37
  Like we our forward pack was crazy like.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah, well, Luke. Page Lachlan Burr like Nate
• 1:05:43
  Pederu like we had an NRL. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 1:05:47
  Really. And then Jamal Foggy was Jamal
• 1:05:51
  Foggy. He was the gate, barely gate.
• 1:05:56
  And then, yeah, 2019 team. That's a special one because
• 1:06:01
  we're all pretty close still a lot of the boys, like I said, we
• 1:06:03
  go, I don't care, but we go. We go away at the end of the
• 1:06:07
  year every year now. So all our kids are friends.
• 1:06:10
  They all hang out. We got a little group chat that
• 1:06:14
  we're we're all still giving each other shit.
• 1:06:18
  That's sad. Probably the the Yeah the
• 1:06:21
  friendships here and the the memories of celebrating the Yeah
• 1:06:26
  2016 celebrations all time. Because you don't get that any
• 1:06:32
  aspect of life, like throwing it back to just like a normal job
• 1:06:35
  now, like because obviously I'm not playing anymore.
• 1:06:38
  But the you don't get that like sense of, but I could get hurt
• 1:06:44
  doing this. Like there's a back against the
• 1:06:46
  wall. Like we are smashing someone.
• 1:06:49
  Like we can't overcome adversity.
• 1:06:50
  You don't get that in normal work or anything.
• 1:06:52
  Like maybe if you start your own business maybe.
• 1:06:56
  But like usually in life, you don't get that like that
• 1:06:58
  feeling, you know? It's the I think it's the
• 1:07:01
  camaraderie. Really.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, Yeah. It's hard to get that in the
• 1:07:03
  normal Yeah, I can't see myself doing that.
• 1:07:07
  At work, yeah. Got your Betty, Got your
• 1:07:10
  background after you in the roof.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, it's hard to sort of replicate.
• 1:07:16
  I think that's now that I'm older and I'm talking to guys
• 1:07:19
  who have retired, Yeah, that's what they say they miss the
• 1:07:23
  most. Like just the camaraderie and
• 1:07:26
  like the change room, the sheds. It's you can't be there like
• 1:07:30
  rugby, like sporting environment.
• 1:07:32
  It's it's the best, yeah. You can't be like the banters.
• 1:07:36
  It's so good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:37
  You can't do anything. You get a good haircut, people
• 1:07:40
  bag a good. Haircut.
• 1:07:42
  You get a bad haircut, people bag.
• 1:07:43
  Yeah, you're doing well in life. People bag and struggling People
• 1:07:48
  bag is going. Through the hardest time of your
• 1:07:50
  life. You're you're looking good.
• 1:07:52
  People think, oh, you're mad if you're injured.
• 1:07:55
  People are like, oh, you're always injured.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah, it's the best. Like you can't, you can't like
• 1:08:00
  imitate that in the workforce. No, no way.
• 1:08:06
  You also have another notorious record as well that we've kind
• 1:08:10
  of purposely missed out until now, and that's probably for
• 1:08:14
  being suspended most of the time.
• 1:08:15
  What's your? What are you thinking your
• 1:08:19
  specialty is in suspensions? Suspensions.
• 1:08:23
  I'm good at talking to my feet. When you go to bro, it's like a
• 1:08:27
  full. When you go to Judiciary, it's
• 1:08:29
  like a you probably haven't, I've never been.
• 1:08:32
  It's like a full courtroom. Like, yeah, well, it's like they
• 1:08:35
  make you feel like you've killed someone.
• 1:08:38
  So you just, are you just in suits in there or not?
• 1:08:41
  You're trying to be good. I'll just go on polo.
• 1:08:42
  Yeah, most times I'll try and try and dress nice because I got
• 1:08:47
  I got off a pretty hectic suspension in 2016 to play the
• 1:08:51
  grand final and that one was like they honestly made me feel
• 1:08:54
  like I just killed somebody. I just hit hide someone oh late
• 1:09:01
  shot or something like that. But.
• 1:09:02
  Late and hit hide. Yeah, late hit hide and.
• 1:09:08
  But yeah, now that's something I'm proud of.
• 1:09:12
  But it's sort of just how I've always played footy.
• 1:09:15
  Like like you said before, pretty, pretty aggressive.
• 1:09:19
  I don't really have anything else.
• 1:09:20
  I'm not the fastest strongest go on the field so.
• 1:09:23
  Arcing you up. Aggression's really, that's my
• 1:09:27
  probably, that's my go to isn't I think I obviously tiptoe the
• 1:09:31
  line. Yeah, I feel a bit sometimes I
• 1:09:35
  cross it, but it you got to take the good with the bad, I reckon.
• 1:09:38
  All the good players do bro, straight up and you're fast.
• 1:09:41
  But I was actually really surprised when I when I saw saw
• 1:09:45
  you in real life like sprinting, because I was like, what the.
• 1:09:49
  Heck, I don't know how to take that.
• 1:09:51
  Nah. You're fast, bro.
• 1:09:52
  You're fast. You're faster than you.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, I don't. Know than I thought, yeah, I
• 1:09:58
  don't need to be I can I don't need to be super fast.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah, yeah, I just time and space.
• 1:10:05
  We've also got an ear, bro, like because you mentioned like hard
• 1:10:08
  times and that and like you've been through some bad injuries.
• 1:10:11
  Right now you've got your shoulder, but apparently you've
• 1:10:14
  been through like a real, I don't even know.
• 1:10:16
  Do you know how to say this word?
• 1:10:17
  Osteos pubis. Osteos osteitis.
• 1:10:19
  Pubis osteitis, Yeah. Apparently, yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:23
  apparently this was a hectic injury.
• 1:10:25
  Yeah, it was. Crazy and and you had some
• 1:10:27
  hectic the surgery. The surgery, you're quite
• 1:10:30
  scarred. From it.
• 1:10:31
  Apparently that was a nightmare, like it was I, I won't, I won't
• 1:10:36
  go through the whole thing. But like the surgery, a few of
• 1:10:39
  the boys had it, Costa had it done too.
• 1:10:41
  So the whole time I was going through it, it was down in
• 1:10:43
  Sydney. The whole time I was going
• 1:10:45
  through it, I'd message him, him and Jamie Downing, our old
• 1:10:49
  captain. And I'd, I'd be like, is this
• 1:10:54
  happening? Did this happen to you guys?
• 1:10:56
  And they were like, Nah. And I'd be like, oh, OK.
• 1:11:01
  So where, where? What is this injury?
• 1:11:03
  Where what are like so? It's Osteo's pubis.
• 1:11:05
  It's like your pubic bone, right?
• 1:11:07
  Just above your meat and sausage.
• 1:11:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had when I, when they cut
• 1:11:14
  me open, I can't remember what they did, but when they cut me
• 1:11:16
  open, they found two hernias as well.
• 1:11:18
  So I had two hernias on each side.
• 1:11:21
  So they, they get like a bit of mesh, like fake mesh.
• 1:11:23
  And they put it in there, they pop the hernia back in, put the
• 1:11:26
  mesh over, stitch it all out. And while they were in there,
• 1:11:30
  they fixed what did they, they shaved a bit of the pubic bone.
• 1:11:34
  That's crazy, but. For that sounds like.
• 1:11:38
  Violation, it was violation. The the lead up to it.
• 1:11:42
  Like I heard about the surgery, but like the lead up to the
• 1:11:46
  surgery was like any kind of dignity that I honestly, I'll,
• 1:11:56
  I'll tell the story just because my family's going to watch.
• 1:12:00
  This Oh, you don't have to you don't have to bro, you'll.
• 1:12:03
  Be all right. Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah, but just one of the scarring moments.
• 1:12:07
  So just before I go in to the surgery, this lovely little
• 1:12:14
  Asian lady, she's like, she come, I'm dressed in my my kit
• 1:12:18
  and she comes up to me and she's like, hi.
• 1:12:20
  And I was like, how you going? She's I shave.
• 1:12:22
  And I was like, oh, I'm Sammy. She's like, she's like, no, no,
• 1:12:30
  I shave. And I was like, oh, what?
• 1:12:34
  And I was like, she had this little, like, manscape face.
• 1:12:39
  And I was like, oh, no, that's all right, I'll do it because
• 1:12:42
  they've got to clean you up all down there.
• 1:12:44
  And she's like, yeah, I shake. And I was like, that's all
• 1:12:48
  right, I'll do it. Like I can please, please just
• 1:12:51
  let me do it. And she's like, no, no, I've got
• 1:12:53
  to do it. I've got to make sure you get
• 1:12:55
  everything. And I was just like, Nah,
• 1:12:57
  there's no way this is, this isn't happening.
• 1:13:00
  She's. Come on, I think it Costa me
• 1:13:02
  like. After it, I think Costa after I
• 1:13:05
  was like, did they shave you and his him and daddy were like,
• 1:13:08
  Nah, I'm just I was like, what is going on here?
• 1:13:13
  So I had to go into this room and like it was like a little I
• 1:13:17
  stood up on like a little box. Yeah, she's there.
• 1:13:19
  Just I had to see. Yeah, I'm just looking.
• 1:13:25
  At the roof. Like yeah, Oh my God, I'm just
• 1:13:28
  there like so like so embarrassed, bro, just looking
• 1:13:32
  at the roof and then I look over and there's a mirror there.
• 1:13:35
  I can see myself in the mirror just standing there while she's.
• 1:13:41
  Just why has my life come to you?
• 1:13:44
  Then I just all done. I was just like.
• 1:13:56
  That is crazy. Yeah, she's like.
• 1:13:58
  Well done. And I was just going what?
• 1:14:03
  Is what is life? Oh.
• 1:14:06
  And like. Oh boy, I just.
• 1:14:08
  Like, you know what Polly boys are like?
• 1:14:10
  Yeah. Showers, Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  Boys showering fully. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:14
  Still in their jerseys. Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  So like I was, yeah, that was like a lucky Jews was with me
• 1:14:22
  because that hurts the the hospital that I was into was
• 1:14:26
  like it was meant to be private, but it was like a haunted house.
• 1:14:30
  Like I remember getting wheeled through and there was like X-ray
• 1:14:33
  machines in the hallway and like, Oh my God.
• 1:14:36
  Like it was just, it was in the middle of Sydney.
• 1:14:38
  It was horrendous. It was a nightmare.
• 1:14:40
  But that was one of the the funnier parts.
• 1:14:44
  Light hearted parts. Only the shave.
• 1:14:46
  You know what? No.
• 1:14:47
  I don't want the surgery. How sweet.
• 1:14:50
  I'm gonna retire. But yeah, that was it.
• 1:14:54
  That was a time. Oh.
• 1:14:55
  Boy, that's hilarious. But the the way I thought her
• 1:14:58
  name was Ice shaved, Ice shaved. I was like, damn, this, this is
• 1:15:05
  not happening to me. Oh boy, that's.
• 1:15:07
  Crazy. How does the injury?
• 1:15:10
  Like that even occur? Like did you do the splits or
• 1:15:13
  something like? I think it's.
• 1:15:14
  Just too much babies. Yeah, years of grinding.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah. I don't know how it happens, but
• 1:15:21
  yeah. Well, but the hernias, I
• 1:15:23
  remember doing my hernia, getting my hernia done, that was
• 1:15:26
  up in. I did that in like one of the
• 1:15:30
  later rounds. I remember it just popped out
• 1:15:31
  and I feel like I got like shots.
• 1:15:33
  Oh, Jeepers. But yeah, that wasn't a fun
• 1:15:36
  surgery, that one. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  Good time rugby. League, rugby league, league
• 1:15:41
  Kill, yeah. Hard out, bro, That's good.
• 1:15:45
  I just wanted to touch on as well, bro at Burley Bears,
• 1:15:48
  obviously just playing with how many good players that you've
• 1:15:51
  played with. And I remember at one of the mad
• 1:15:54
  Mondays you and actually you were mainly saying it.
• 1:15:58
  You were like, you're like, trust me boys, play with me,
• 1:16:01
  I'll propel your career into the NRL.
• 1:16:03
  You're like. Look at Tain Tilbogi, Keanu
• 1:16:06
  kidney, all the in rattling all these girls off outside.
• 1:16:09
  This dude actually might be the the reason.
• 1:16:12
  But you think about all those dudes though, like coming
• 1:16:14
  through Billy. It's probably because it's a
• 1:16:15
  good play, like it's a good they're good at scouting and
• 1:16:18
  getting good players. But but the the platform that
• 1:16:21
  you guys do provide, all those young dudes like you Costa,
• 1:16:24
  everything like you guys do your job and these young boys that
• 1:16:28
  come in and they just absolutely smash it.
• 1:16:31
  And look at them now, they're all killing in an NRL.
• 1:16:33
  It's pretty crazy to think, yeah.
• 1:16:35
  That's that's probably one of the like in the later years
• 1:16:39
  that's been one of the nicest nicer parts of sort of being a
• 1:16:43
  part of all these young guys, their careers and like counter
• 1:16:48
  Kinney like that's I have a feeling he was going to make
• 1:16:52
  regardless. Yeah, I don't think we did
• 1:16:54
  anything to propel his career. Like he's a, he's one-of-a-kind.
• 1:16:59
  But yeah, seeing all our young guys like Taney come through our
• 1:17:03
  tiny system, Kyle Donald, like seeing guys like that go on to
• 1:17:09
  bigger and better things. That's it's the end goal for the
• 1:17:13
  club really to propel, you know, be sort of a stepping stone for
• 1:17:18
  those guys to have bigger and better careers.
• 1:17:20
  And then you know what they're they're hoping for it early, but
• 1:17:25
  it's it is nice. It's.
• 1:17:27
  It's all opportunity because you were saying it before, like with
• 1:17:29
  you coming through like you were so lucky you were playing good
• 1:17:31
  teams. And but I just want a side note.
• 1:17:33
  I reckon that's BS of you because bro, I looked looked at
• 1:17:37
  you playing in the last 6-7 years.
• 1:17:39
  That's how long we've been watching Queensland Cup and I
• 1:17:42
  reckon you're better than half the centres in that time and the
• 1:17:44
  NRLS. But anyway, digress.
• 1:17:47
  But then anyway, the what you're saying about growing up in
• 1:17:50
  Campbell, those good teams, like bro, you can be a really good
• 1:17:54
  player if you're not in a good team or getting seen at or it
• 1:17:58
  just makes everything harder, bro.
• 1:17:59
  So, like, that is a massive part, I reckon, into actually
• 1:18:03
  being able to crack it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:05
  I think it's, I think too much goes on.
• 1:18:11
  People look at like talent and hard work.
• 1:18:13
  It's so much luck too. It is a you got to have some
• 1:18:16
  good luck like some yeah some guys like you see I've seen some
• 1:18:21
  guys in Q cup 10 years just not get a chance full time system
• 1:18:26
  like cost is your perfect example really like give him a
• 1:18:30
  chance, you know and he's in the earlier years even now like he's
• 1:18:34
  yeah sometimes we get players back from NRL systems, Titans
• 1:18:38
  and Broncos and I'm just like man, this guy wouldn't shine his
• 1:18:42
  boots. You know what?
• 1:18:42
  I. Mean yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:44
  It is a bit of luck and a bit of timing and luck.
• 1:18:48
  I was lucky in my. I got a bit of luck at the
• 1:18:50
  start. And the perception that they
• 1:18:52
  have on age is is just like that frustrates me.
• 1:18:55
  Age is, I think that's because it's it's a like people need
• 1:19:01
  results now. Yeah.
• 1:19:02
  Coaches at the moment, unless you're like Craig Bellamy or
• 1:19:06
  like, yeah, you need, you need results now or else you're not
• 1:19:10
  here coaching next year. So they sort of want the best
• 1:19:14
  thing right now. Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  But that that kind of does fall to that age thing because I, I'm
• 1:19:19
  kind of a much on this one here where, you know, you sometimes
• 1:19:25
  players don't develop, like you said, that fear thing that you
• 1:19:27
  you had up until about 22. You know, and you know, a lot of
• 1:19:30
  these players are 242526, you know, Jamal Fogerty, Cody
• 1:19:34
  Walkers and stuff who get their debut at you know what, 272829,
• 1:19:38
  you know, in the NRL system. And you know, those players are
• 1:19:41
  ready and we've played with players now or you know in the
• 1:19:44
  past where the players is a way more mature at a 252627 year
• 1:19:49
  age. But I feel like sometimes clubs
• 1:19:51
  maybe look at the younger players who are 17/18/19 because
• 1:19:55
  they're looking at long term investment and development.
• 1:19:57
  But those players our age is what I'm talking about
• 1:20:01
  specifically. They've already had the
• 1:20:03
  development and they're, I feel like those guys are ready to go.
• 1:20:05
  They're firing ready to go. You know, they're mentally,
• 1:20:08
  physically more mature than, you know, a lot of these younger
• 1:20:10
  boys, you know, and they're just, like you said, it's a bit
• 1:20:12
  of luck, but they just aren't given that opportunity, you
• 1:20:15
  know, to some extent. Yeah, well, I think back in luck
• 1:20:19
  when we spoke about the 20s, like people getting signed now
• 1:20:23
  at a young age on what they're gonna, what they hope they're
• 1:20:26
  gonna, yeah, rather than what they're currently doing.
• 1:20:30
  Or yeah. If you have if you have someone
• 1:20:32
  doing their job like killing it at 30, why, why is he not sort
• 1:20:37
  of exactly. And then there's a guy who's
• 1:20:39
  maybe 20, but he's gonna be the next big thing.
• 1:20:41
  They, I don't know, I think it's.
• 1:20:43
  But that gonna be is taken from such a small sample size.
• 1:20:46
  It's taken from like your high school one a day tournament and
• 1:20:49
  you get 3 trials and it's like, oh, bra, imagine in 10 years
• 1:20:52
  this dude's gonna be like Greg English.
• 1:20:53
  But I say, bro, that gap so much can happen.
• 1:20:55
  You can become worse after 18. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:59
  So like bro, it's like you need to take the runs under the board
• 1:21:03
  sometimes and like the the dudes that are actually like got
• 1:21:07
  something in front of you that you can use right now, I reckon.
• 1:21:11
  Yeah, I think that's probably like all the bigger clubs.
• 1:21:13
  I don't know how they do it or how they, yeah, how they
• 1:21:16
  recruit, but they seem to be doing like a bit different to
• 1:21:20
  like your Storms and your Penrith Panthers.
• 1:21:22
  Yeah. They just pick sort of whoever's
• 1:21:24
  killing it at the. Point regardless.
• 1:21:26
  Yeah, exactly. A prime example of that too, in
• 1:21:29
  the professional scene at the moment, I reckon is like you
• 1:21:32
  look at the movies like Moneyball, you know, the Oakland
• 1:21:35
  Athletics, you know, and even in today's current system is the
• 1:21:40
  Wrexham team that, you know, Ryan Reynolds and his mate
• 1:21:43
  because mate's name that owns it.
• 1:21:45
  But they're specifically choosing players that are more
• 1:21:48
  mature and have been there, done that because they're in the
• 1:21:50
  lower leagues is what I'm saying.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah. And so basically they're they're
• 1:21:55
  fairy or they're, you know, what they're doing practically is
• 1:21:57
  they're getting players who have played in Premier League
• 1:22:00
  divisions or in the big league divisions.
• 1:22:02
  And, you know, because they're in a lower division, they're
• 1:22:05
  getting that experience and they're filling their teams with
• 1:22:08
  that. And because they know that those
• 1:22:10
  players only got, you know, maybe a maximum of five years
• 1:22:12
  really with them, realistically, they want to use all of that and
• 1:22:16
  drain all of that experience out of them, you know, and that way
• 1:22:19
  you know, the players that are young and the team, they pass
• 1:22:22
  that knowledge and experience onto them.
• 1:22:23
  Yeah, I think the you look at the South African rugby team,
• 1:22:28
  they had everyone in their team bar two were 28.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, yeah. They just they just went
• 1:22:35
  experience and guys who were doing well at the time was I
• 1:22:39
  think the All Blacks they had at the time everyone was under 25.
• 1:22:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good example, bro.
• 1:22:46
  That's yeah. We've spoken about that as.
• 1:22:49
  Well, an example of yeah, age doesn't really.
• 1:22:51
  Matter no. So Wales did real shit as well.
• 1:22:54
  Like Wales were gun at rugby five years ago, but they had,
• 1:23:00
  yeah, they kind of stuffed it up the other way.
• 1:23:01
  Actually. The development of the young
• 1:23:02
  dudes was stuffed and then now they're like terrible.
• 1:23:05
  So yeah, you just balance, right?
• 1:23:07
  Yeah, you gotta get your balance here.
• 1:23:09
  I do want to touch on bro, obviously you haven't just
• 1:23:11
  played in two grand finals with barely you've played in three.
• 1:23:15
  I think it is. And obviously the most recent
• 1:23:17
  one was, was that that loss? You know, and I guess to an
• 1:23:21
  extent, that's the, I guess maybe the biggest defeat in
• 1:23:24
  terms of, you know, you've made it all the way to the end of the
• 1:23:26
  season and you know, you lose with I guess the quality of
• 1:23:31
  players that you guys had. How hard was that?
• 1:23:33
  You know, obviously you're a lot older at this point in
• 1:23:36
  comparison to 2016. How was that?
• 1:23:38
  You know, and you and you and you obviously had your, your
• 1:23:41
  girls. You know all that there as well.
• 1:23:42
  Like that's your career at that point is very different to
• 1:23:46
  20/16/2019 It was. That was a tough year, one of
• 1:23:52
  the best years, but it was pretty tough because the girls
• 1:23:53
  were born. The girls were born 2627 weeks
• 1:23:59
  premature, so that that year, mentally and physically, I'll
• 1:24:04
  probably wasn't really there. I was sort of just rocking up to
• 1:24:08
  the games and just like the whole time.
• 1:24:10
  So the girls spent four months in hospital.
• 1:24:15
  Jules left. I think Jules slept at home
• 1:24:17
  twice in that fall. She just slept on the kit, this
• 1:24:20
  little couch. It wasn't even the bed.
• 1:24:22
  It was just like a little makeshift couch.
• 1:24:24
  Wow. So, yeah, the girl's been in
• 1:24:27
  there for four months and that was sort of the, that was sort
• 1:24:31
  of the back end of the year, the important part of like a footy
• 1:24:35
  season. So going from training, I'd go
• 1:24:40
  from training to the hospital, stay at the hospital till I was
• 1:24:43
  up till you get kicked out like 12:00-ish or whatever.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah, stay there and then go home and then going to work and
• 1:24:50
  just doing that sort of cycle every day.
• 1:24:51
  That was. Yeah, it was rough mentally, but
• 1:24:56
  in terms of footy, like when when we lost that, that was I
• 1:25:00
  thought like surely this is like winning the grand final.
• 1:25:04
  It would be like the good, like, yeah, get something good out of
• 1:25:08
  it. The the girls are fine now.
• 1:25:10
  But yeah, yeah, losing that grand final, the way we lost,
• 1:25:16
  that was tough. Especially we had because we
• 1:25:20
  that was our last year with the Titans, I think.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah. So we had a few boys who would.
• 1:25:24
  We knew we were moving on. And then we had a few guys maybe
• 1:25:28
  retire at the end of that year. It was.
• 1:25:33
  Yeah. In terms of like straight away,
• 1:25:36
  it was, yeah. It was a tough one, tough people
• 1:25:38
  to swallow. But yeah, the girls after they
• 1:25:43
  kind of just wake me up sort of straight away.
• 1:25:45
  Like, that's not that. This is a game.
• 1:25:49
  Yeah. It's not just the game.
• 1:25:51
  But like, as soon as I saw them, I was like, fuck, like whatever.
• 1:25:55
  Like there's so much more, yeah, important things.
• 1:25:58
  But climbing that ladder the next year's, I reckon it's
• 1:26:02
  harder. After winning a comp, we won.
• 1:26:05
  When you win a comp trying to climb that ladder again, to do
• 1:26:08
  it again, it's like, I reckon it's harder to do that then, you
• 1:26:13
  know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 1:26:15
  bro. We lost.
• 1:26:16
  Yeah. It's like we can.
• 1:26:16
  Do it's no expectation. Yeah, we can.
• 1:26:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be like the drivers
• 1:26:21
  probably the fires are, yeah, when we lost, when we won the
• 1:26:25
  but yeah, that was, that was hard.
• 1:26:29
  Just during that that year, Jules actually sent the story in
• 1:26:34
  and she said that there was a time where you were over in PNG
• 1:26:38
  with the with the team and you're getting ready for the
• 1:26:41
  interview and you want to share a little.
• 1:26:44
  Bit of insight into that story. I didn't know that the mics were
• 1:26:49
  on and I was doing an interview after the after a game.
• 1:26:54
  I think we might have won, but the girls were just born.
• 1:26:56
  Like, like I said, the girls were still in hospital and Jules
• 1:27:00
  was like, whatever you do, just just don't go.
• 1:27:05
  Everyone, everyone knows. I enjoy it.
• 1:27:08
  Yeah. No way to be or two.
• 1:27:10
  And she was just like, whatever you do, just don't go.
• 1:27:13
  What? Don't get mad over there.
• 1:27:14
  You don't know what's what you're going to catch and
• 1:27:16
  whatever. And I didn't know Paddy, I had
• 1:27:22
  the same chat with Sarah. Anyway, I was on the, you know,
• 1:27:28
  the Q Plus. Yep, yeah.
• 1:27:29
  So they're doing the Q Plus interview.
• 1:27:30
  And I was just talking to the guy like, like this on the side.
• 1:27:33
  Yeah. He didn't tell me that the mic
• 1:27:35
  was on, but like, because normally you say, all right,
• 1:27:39
  we're going to start the yeah. And then yeah, I was just
• 1:27:41
  talking to him and I was like, so what's, what's the nightlife
• 1:27:44
  like? What he's and he's like, Oh
• 1:27:48
  yeah, it's pretty good. Good.
• 1:27:49
  And I was like, Oh yeah, that's. He doesn't know where.
• 1:27:54
  To go, He was like, oh, that's us.
• 1:27:56
  It was just like, oh. Hey, is that us?
• 1:27:58
  I was watching the plus. I think the girls are texting
• 1:28:01
  this guy seriously. By the time I got into the chain
• 1:28:05
  from that interview into the change room, yeah, Jules had
• 1:28:07
  message Joe and was like, tell that guy had to stay in his.
• 1:28:13
  Room. Lock his door, throw away the
• 1:28:16
  sock card. I don't have a beer at all
• 1:28:18
  because yeah, of course it's been a while at that time.
• 1:28:21
  So it was. It was really that crap.
• 1:28:23
  But yeah, here's another story too bro, where one of your past
• 1:28:27
  players that you've played with Waka, he he sent in this message
• 1:28:32
  and he said to ask you about some kid that from PNG that once
• 1:28:38
  trained or or ran all the way to your guys accommodation bro.
• 1:28:42
  Yeah, our first, our first year, 2016, I sort of made friends
• 1:28:46
  with this, a young fella named Michael.
• 1:28:49
  He's he was at our game, it started, he was at our game and
• 1:28:53
  it's like AI don't know how far it is.
• 1:28:55
  Have you done the drive? No, I haven't gone to PNG
• 1:28:57
  before. The field to the, to the hotel,
• 1:29:00
  it's fair trek. It's like a 15 minute drive.
• 1:29:05
  And, and you know, I saw this kid, he was at the gate and he
• 1:29:08
  was like, Oh, can you give us, He wasn't asking for anything
• 1:29:11
  actually, but he's like, oh, I'm going to come back to your hotel
• 1:29:15
  this and that. And I was like, yes, we come and
• 1:29:17
  I'm, I sort something out for you.
• 1:29:18
  Like first time I've been there. I didn't know that it's natural
• 1:29:21
  for everyone to ask for something like it was their
• 1:29:24
  first time there. Anyway, we got back to the hotel
• 1:29:28
  and this kid was like there, he'd ran the whole way from the
• 1:29:32
  stadium and I was just like, must like, he must be keen.
• 1:29:36
  And then I was like, I snuck him into the team room and I was
• 1:29:41
  like, he just hadn't come in and hung out with us in the in our
• 1:29:46
  team room. He had dinner, well, like he'd
• 1:29:48
  he'd never seen a buffet before. Damn.
• 1:29:51
  Well, yeah, took him in and we're just talking to him and he
• 1:29:53
  sort of sat in the middle and all the boys sat around him and
• 1:29:56
  he was just just talking to us about his like what his life's
• 1:30:00
  like and just taking us through his like usual routine and what
• 1:30:04
  we were all like, first time over there.
• 1:30:06
  We were all sort of like, man, that's like.
• 1:30:09
  Because this is like a proper third world country.
• 1:30:12
  So like, that would have been crazy for him.
• 1:30:14
  Yeah. And that was like another sort
• 1:30:17
  of eye opening moment for all the boys to sort of like reset
• 1:30:20
  and be like, man, life's not that hard.
• 1:30:22
  Yeah, you got to carry wheelbarrows down there.
• 1:30:26
  It's not that bad compared, you know, compared to.
• 1:30:29
  And then I've, I've seen that kid 10 years now in a row.
• 1:30:32
  Just seen him. Oh, was he?
• 1:30:33
  I've seen this kid every year. He's getting probably be driving
• 1:30:36
  the bus next. Year team bus.
• 1:30:39
  Yeah, it's a cool little story. And all the boys still remember
• 1:30:42
  him like when we rock up to the airport he's just yells out he
• 1:30:45
  made makes me little like bags and.
• 1:30:47
  Oh, true. One year I think I took a heap
• 1:30:50
  of stuff over for him, but yeah, it's cool little.
• 1:30:55
  He's probably got the same relationship with a couple of
• 1:30:58
  players. He's just changes and crosses
• 1:31:01
  out the name of the signing he's.
• 1:31:05
  Got me a beauty yeah, I'll see him every year we go over there
• 1:31:08
  and yeah, that's that's Michael. That's.
• 1:31:11
  Awesome. Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Anything else on your end bro? Oh, oh, no, that's, that's
• 1:31:16
  pretty much, that's pretty much you're like fuck crazy career,
• 1:31:19
  man. Like just all the stuff that
• 1:31:21
  you've done. Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  And it's so I really enjoy hearing about that, the Super
• 1:31:27
  League stuff, bro, that's crazy. And that's how you ended up.
• 1:31:29
  Everything worked out. Everything, yeah, massively,
• 1:31:32
  yeah, I don't know who knows if I went over there, yeah,
• 1:31:36
  wouldn't have Yeah, what I got now so.
• 1:31:39
  Where do you kind of see yourself going, you know, and in
• 1:31:42
  terms of, you know, playing career now, like, you know, with
• 1:31:43
  the years left that you have barely in that I know you've,
• 1:31:47
  you know, thrown it up in the air before and stuff.
• 1:31:50
  And all the boys respect you because you've been around for
• 1:31:52
  that long now. And, you know, you obviously
• 1:31:54
  skip as well. So yeah, where do you kind of
• 1:31:56
  see yourself in the near future, bro?
• 1:31:59
  I'd like to go again next year. Look, I'm gonna be like you were
• 1:32:03
  talking about on the other party.
• 1:32:04
  Like what? What keeps people going there,
• 1:32:07
  especially at my age? I don't know, Like it's hard to
• 1:32:10
  your body sore and all that stuff, But honestly, I'm
• 1:32:13
  genuinely just I still enjoy it. I still enjoy like as much as I
• 1:32:19
  love like the after game function and the sheds and I'm
• 1:32:23
  still enjoying like playing footy and still enjoying sort of
• 1:32:28
  getting after it with the boys. Like obviously pre season and
• 1:32:32
  all that, that's a slug. But when you get to like a part
• 1:32:36
  of a game where it's, it's tough, everyone's doing it tough
• 1:32:39
  for you. I don't know, just getting
• 1:32:42
  after. It's still with the boys.
• 1:32:43
  It's still like, I don't know, it's, it's still a fire that
• 1:32:46
  burns. And you're not actually that
• 1:32:47
  old, bro. Or like I thought you were.
• 1:32:49
  I was looking you up before this.
• 1:32:51
  I was like, is he only two bro? You're only two years older than
• 1:32:54
  me. Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  But you're you're old man. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:32:59
  You were like, you know, you're old.
• 1:33:02
  I was like, I played against Donkstad.
• 1:33:07
  What did you? Yeah.
• 1:33:07
  And now I'm playing Boga. Yeah.
• 1:33:09
  And then on one, I played against Kaden.
• 1:33:14
  Kaden Lars. He's from he's up in Townsville.
• 1:33:16
  Oh yeah. Played with his dad.
• 1:33:18
  Right. That's old.
• 1:33:21
  But like bro. I played 32.
• 1:33:22
  Bro, I played against my nephew. What?
• 1:33:24
  At P At Pride, at PNG. But yeah, I played against my
• 1:33:30
  nephew. Oh.
• 1:33:31
  I played for pride but like bro, I'm just saying Steph Curry is
• 1:33:33
  like 36 so you I'm not the same. You could you could be the
• 1:33:38
  LeBron Steph Curry of the Q Cup and like let's be on the
• 1:33:41
  recovery money. Let's be honest, the centre's
• 1:33:45
  like probably the easiest position to play in league.
• 1:33:48
  Crazy. That's good to say.
• 1:33:49
  It is the way, but you don't. You.
• 1:33:51
  Cannot. You can choose how many.
• 1:33:53
  You can choose how many tough carries you can.
• 1:33:54
  Back full backs What's yes? I reckon I tackle.
• 1:33:58
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been tackled, yeah.
• 1:34:00
  He's got to be fit. And like depending on what full
• 1:34:03
  back you are, like if you're if you're Dylan Edwards and you're
• 1:34:05
  doing 30 carries, yeah, but if you're like much you've done
• 1:34:08
  much you and you're just waiting for a break so you can support
• 1:34:11
  like the attacks, but. Nah, since the centre's probably
• 1:34:16
  the easiest to be honest. Unless, unless you're versusing
• 1:34:19
  someone like a good centre and you're like, oh how I need to
• 1:34:21
  make my one-on-one tackle that. Centre's hard in terms of your
• 1:34:25
  one-on-one yeah efforts. And like, you can literally, you
• 1:34:29
  can lose the game. Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  You can lose your team a game. As I tell the boys, a little
• 1:34:34
  talent backs, you know, the banter between backs and yeah,
• 1:34:37
  yeah, yeah. Like it.
• 1:34:40
  The game might be played in the middle, but it's one on the
• 1:34:42
  edge, yeah. I agree 100% though 100%.
• 1:34:47
  You will not lose games out there.
• 1:34:48
  You drop a ball in the middle of the field like forward.
• 1:34:51
  Everyone's like, oh, you're all right, Yeah, you're tired, Yeah,
• 1:34:53
  Made 30 times. You drop the ball as a winger or
• 1:34:56
  a centre, it's like. That's a good point in.
• 1:34:58
  The world like, yeah, yeah, Poor Troy Leo.
• 1:35:03
  I'm into him every time. I've heard I've heard people
• 1:35:07
  would spray like right? Costa's one of the best at.
• 1:35:09
  Some of the sprays. Oh, but.
• 1:35:11
  It's the funniest ones I've ever seen that yeah.
• 1:35:15
  Paddy was good for spraying and he gets real personal, like he
• 1:35:20
  would bring up stuff off the field.
• 1:35:21
  Yeah, what the hell? That's why you lost your job,
• 1:35:25
  because you can't catch them. You dropped it 'cause you did
• 1:35:29
  this on Wednesday. Yeah.
• 1:35:30
  What? Not your girlfriend left all
• 1:35:31
  day, Yeah. That's so funny, right?
• 1:35:36
  Yeah, It's good. Yeah, it's good to get around
• 1:35:38
  the boys, bro, but that's real cool here.
• 1:35:40
  I mean, can I ask you if you, you know, I don't know how far
• 1:35:43
  in advance you thought, but you know, when the Q Cup career is
• 1:35:46
  done? Yep.
• 1:35:47
  Have you thought about maybe just playing local footy
• 1:35:48
  somewhere or you just want to, that's it?
• 1:35:50
  I, I want to go back to Canberra and play for my local club.
• 1:35:55
  Everyone. A lot of the boys do it.
• 1:35:58
  Like a lot of the the big dogs that played first grade usually
• 1:36:02
  go back there. I'm not that I'm one of them,
• 1:36:04
  but like, no, you are, yeah, I would love to go back and play,
• 1:36:08
  play a bit of local footy back there, but.
• 1:36:10
  Like just for a year or two or yeah.
• 1:36:12
  So you'd move down there or you'd just, yeah, fly and fly.
• 1:36:15
  Get them to fly, fly and fly out brother.
• 1:36:17
  But a fifo FIFO work right there bro.
• 1:36:19
  I'd love to, but I don't think we could do a winter, Yeah, it's
• 1:36:23
  way too cold. Yeah, I've heard Jewels is
• 1:36:26
  Jewels is not moving yeah anytime soon.
• 1:36:28
  But personally I'd love to go back and play, yeah, play local
• 1:36:31
  footy at my because I got no local ties here so.
• 1:36:34
  I can hook you up. Maybe, maybe if Uncle Clive
• 1:36:39
  comes back, I'm hearing, I'm hearing stories, really.
• 1:36:44
  Uncle Clive might be back. So he goes yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:46
  yeah, yeah. Might see me in the yeah.
• 1:36:49
  Just a fortress. That's me, bro, man.
• 1:36:55
  Well, it's been awesome, obviously, having you on, bro,
• 1:36:56
  but the show's not done. Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  Right. Maybe go?
• 1:37:00
  We've got a little bit of a game to play with you here, so we'll
• 1:37:03
  set up for that, bro, and then yeah, we'll get that cracking
• 1:37:06
  up. OK, to finish the show off, we
• 1:37:13
  got a perfect partners with Sammy Suluma.
• 1:37:20
  OK, so basically what's gonna happen bro?
• 1:37:22
  We have asked your lovely wife, Jules wrote to send in some
• 1:37:25
  answers to some questions we sent to earlier in the week and
• 1:37:29
  kind of like what they did on The Footy Show.
• 1:37:30
  Very wreck in the day. We're gonna ask you these
• 1:37:32
  questions and you're basically gonna give you a response.
• 1:37:34
  And we're actually she's she sent in some voice memos, bro.
• 1:37:37
  So she's gonna well, we're gonna find out if what you say is
• 1:37:41
  actually the answer or if you're a liar.
• 1:37:44
  So we'll see how they. No, no pressure bro.
• 1:37:45
  It's just the most important person.
• 1:37:47
  Yeah, it could. It could be a detriment for your
• 1:37:50
  whole relationship. It could make or break it all.
• 1:37:53
  Good. All good.
• 1:37:54
  So what we'll do, bro, there's roughly, I think 1110 questions
• 1:37:58
  roughly. And then yeah, we'll kind of
• 1:38:01
  just go from there, bro. See how you go.
• 1:38:04
  Sweet, I'll break. OK, first question, where did
• 1:38:07
  you 2 first meet? School.
• 1:38:10
  All right, school. What is he?
• 1:38:11
  Yeah. Sunny and I first met at school.
• 1:38:16
  Well done bro. Congratulations, not no Tinder
• 1:38:19
  back in those days though. No, just notes.
• 1:38:22
  Notes. Oh, what?
• 1:38:24
  Like in the classroom, Chuck. I intercepted one of the notes.
• 1:38:31
  She doesn't know, but. And this shift, that is crazy.
• 1:38:36
  All right. Second question bro, What Car
• 1:38:38
  brand would Jules describe you as and why?
• 1:38:40
  Car brand. Oh man.
• 1:38:43
  Car brand and. Why?
• 1:38:46
  Oh, she wouldn't say I'm like a Toyota reliable or anything like
• 1:38:54
  that. Because I'm pretty bad.
• 1:38:56
  I'm pretty bad with almost everything.
• 1:39:00
  She would probably say I'm expensive.
• 1:39:03
  I'll say maybe an Audi like in between.
• 1:39:08
  Damn, that's that's a good car man.
• 1:39:10
  Is that? Is that expensive?
• 1:39:12
  What did she say? What?
• 1:39:15
  Car brand and make would I describe some.
• 1:39:22
  He has a black Commodore. His skin says Samo, but his soul
• 1:39:30
  says absolute redneck. Was he?
• 1:39:36
  Well, that's perfect. Yeah, that's good.
• 1:39:41
  That's good. I'll give them that.
• 1:39:42
  Yeah, that's a good. One, OK, The next one, what was
• 1:39:46
  your first impression of Sammy? So I'm hoping on a point of
• 1:39:50
  view. She'll say I was.
• 1:39:54
  I was pretty quiet. Yeah, I was pretty quiet.
• 1:39:57
  Have you reserved? Quite shy.
• 1:40:02
  My first impression of Sami was that he was just really kind and
• 1:40:06
  gentle there. You go.
• 1:40:10
  Yeah, kind of like shy kind. Yeah, 4th question.
• 1:40:17
  What is Sami's most annoying habit?
• 1:40:22
  How long we got left. It's an annoying habit.
• 1:40:30
  When I when I get home from training, I just Chuck my my
• 1:40:33
  training gears in the laundry, just on the floor.
• 1:40:35
  Wet or not, Douglas, A lot of us like that.
• 1:40:39
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:40:40
  I don't know if she finds that annoying, but at least, yeah,
• 1:40:46
  maybe that. Locking in laundry on the floor.
• 1:40:49
  Laundry on the floor Most. Annoying habit near my I mean, I
• 1:40:55
  love my husband, but how do I pick one?
• 1:41:03
  It would have to depend on the day.
• 1:41:05
  Look, biting fingernails gives me the absolute ick.
• 1:41:09
  Sneezing in the air right above my face so that the saliva, like
• 1:41:15
  rains down on me that. Yeah, but then I think I'm such
• 1:41:21
  a quality time person, the whole half listening and not paying
• 1:41:24
  attention to me when he like is playing on his phone and then
• 1:41:29
  will ask me a million questions. I think that one has to be it.
• 1:41:32
  Yeah, let's look in that one. Oh, no.
• 1:41:36
  What about rolling up all of his like wet football clothes that
• 1:41:42
  are still grassy into like that ball that just stays on the
• 1:41:45
  ground that's a close running. Well done bro, it's all Nick.
• 1:41:49
  It's close. One of the four you got, yeah.
• 1:41:53
  But she's got this bad habit where she, like, she'll, she'll
• 1:41:57
  bring up all, like, everything in front of heaps of people.
• 1:42:00
  Oh, yeah. And I'm just like, she'll help
• 1:42:03
  you. Yeah.
• 1:42:04
  She'll help. You but she won't have like we
• 1:42:06
  wouldn't have spoken about this before for coffee or something.
• 1:42:09
  Yeah, we're with people. Just decide to bring it all out.
• 1:42:13
  When you when you bite your nails, it's like, oh, you could
• 1:42:16
  just tell me. I would stop.
• 1:42:17
  I. Have a feeling that's what's.
• 1:42:21
  Happening. What time do?
• 1:42:22
  You have done bro. That's that.
• 1:42:24
  OK, next one is what is Sammy's guilty?
• 1:42:29
  Pleasure like big chocolate guy, big chocolate guy like I used.
• 1:42:37
  I'm heaps better now because yeah, I'm not sort of not
• 1:42:42
  burning it like you used to, but I used to.
• 1:42:44
  I used to pump like 3-4 family blocks a week.
• 1:42:50
  Family blocks, yeah, blocks of chocolate.
• 1:42:53
  So we're locked at it. Yeah, chocolate.
• 1:42:55
  All right, blocks of chocolate. Sammy's guilty pleasure is
• 1:42:58
  absolutely gossip. We're parents and, well, I don't
• 1:43:06
  give any time to myself. I would think that another is
• 1:43:09
  his haircut and his hourly sessions on the toilet.
• 1:43:16
  Sorry, I'm really not good at picking one thing.
• 1:43:20
  See how I spit? You just bring stuff up there.
• 1:43:26
  I love gossip as well. I'm a big gossip, yeah.
• 1:43:28
  Like, I just reckon it's the most interesting thing you can
• 1:43:31
  talk about. It's not you.
• 1:43:33
  Yeah, it's. Hearing other people's drama,
• 1:43:35
  you're like, oh. That's so good today.
• 1:43:37
  I'm a big, big gossip guy. #7 bright.
• 1:43:42
  What is one thing Sammy would be embarrassed about?
• 1:43:48
  Like on on the apart from them stories like that, Yeah.
• 1:43:52
  What am I embarrassed about? What?
• 1:43:55
  Too embarrassed to tell the boys?
• 1:44:00
  I don't know. I don't.
• 1:44:01
  I'm pretty. But like I said, my dignity is
• 1:44:05
  out the window after. That OK?
• 1:44:10
  Not too sure this is what she said.
• 1:44:12
  Well, outside of the football arena, Sammy is embarrassed
• 1:44:17
  about existing in public. So pretty much anything that
• 1:44:24
  involves people looking at him, he just can't handle.
• 1:44:28
  And he's the most socially awkward person.
• 1:44:31
  And I become his spokesperson from ordering a meal to, you
• 1:44:37
  know, whatever. That that I can see that, hey, I
• 1:44:41
  get that vibe sometimes. Yeah, I don't know what.
• 1:44:44
  It is, I reckon it's a like you're saying before during the
• 1:44:47
  potty break, it's like a Polynesian thing sometimes 100%.
• 1:44:50
  We just like, I don't know, we're not confident in putting
• 1:44:53
  ourselves out there. So I'll do the same bro.
• 1:44:54
  I'll get my partner to order from you or something.
• 1:44:56
  Can you take this back if my meals met?
• 1:44:58
  If it's wrong, I'm like, I'll eat it.
• 1:45:01
  Those juices, like nut. This coffee's not hot enough.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah, like I'm getting. Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Or like if we have to like go for a walk down, like, say,
• 1:45:10
  Beerley Hill, I'll I'll say let's get a long way.
• 1:45:12
  I don't want to go. Yeah, I don't want to go in
• 1:45:13
  front of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:15
  I don't know. It's.
• 1:45:16
  Just isn't that Polynesian culture?
• 1:45:18
  It's like almost cool to be humble.
• 1:45:19
  Like, you know, oh, I don't know, maybe that's it.
• 1:45:21
  I don't know. I don't.
• 1:45:22
  Know if it's cool but. It's just how people.
• 1:45:25
  Are I think it's how you how you brought up.
• 1:45:28
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:45:29
  Next question is what is Jewel's favorite body part of yours?
• 1:45:32
  A. Shave.
• 1:45:38
  I could not say that. No, she'll say something corny,
• 1:45:43
  my hair or something. Hairline crispy.
• 1:45:46
  Hairline because it's always yes, it's lined up and she hates
• 1:45:52
  it. She doesn't like the lineup.
• 1:45:54
  Damn, it could be crazier that yeah, she wouldn't have liked it
• 1:45:57
  if it was she had the Vegeta she.
• 1:45:59
  Doesn't like the haircuts? My favorite the story part of
• 1:46:06
  Sammy's I. It's definitely his smile.
• 1:46:12
  Yeah. The smile, Barry.
• 1:46:13
  The smile. The smile.
• 1:46:15
  Kind of hurtful to hear what? The other one that she we had
• 1:46:19
  was what date is her birthday? For it's around.
• 1:46:24
  Nah, God, we can't have around. It's around.
• 1:46:25
  We can't have around it's. Around Anzac Day, I mean 20,
• 1:46:30
  Anzac's 23rd. Don't look at me.
• 1:46:36
  This is the wife you've been with for something.
• 1:46:37
  It is. No, they're blending.
• 1:46:40
  I know what you mean. Anzac Day is 23rd, I think she's
• 1:46:43
  the day after so we should make it 24th.
• 1:46:45
  Of. Anzac Month, April, April 24th
• 1:46:52
  of April 25th, 25th of April 25th Yeah, 25th April.
• 1:46:57
  Ariana Anzac. So 25th of April, right?
• 1:46:59
  Today is the 24th of April. And he would, he knows that it's
• 1:47:05
  got something to do with the Anzac Day.
• 1:47:08
  You know, it's the day before Anzac Day and he, we've been
• 1:47:12
  together for 17 years. He still doesn't know it.
• 1:47:15
  He'll like play Russian roulette and either pick the 23rd, 24th
• 1:47:19
  or 25th and just see which one it lands on and then celebrates
• 1:47:24
  when he gets it right. Whoa, so bad.
• 1:47:30
  I get buying something wrong sometimes I try every year.
• 1:47:33
  I try like, but we're leaning up.
• 1:47:35
  I'll be like, fine, wait a minute like June 13th and try to
• 1:47:38
  get it wrong on purpose. And then so she'll be like, no,
• 1:47:41
  it's done it and tell me the right day.
• 1:47:42
  Yeah. That's crazy.
• 1:47:47
  That's right bro, you've you'll make up for it another year is
• 1:47:49
  surely. With your hairline, your
• 1:47:51
  hairline makes up for it. Oh, I.
• 1:47:54
  Really thought it was 22. No, you got it right and you and
• 1:47:57
  you backtracked because always go go with the first.
• 1:47:59
  Damn that. That's crazy when you win, Anzac
• 1:48:04
  stays on the 25th. I.
• 1:48:06
  Was like, Oh no, he's stuffed up.
• 1:48:08
  When you were looking at me. And the last question I got for
• 1:48:16
  you, Bray, is what is your Hollywood or who is your
• 1:48:19
  Hollywood crush? I'm not.
• 1:48:23
  I'm not a big celebrity. Celebrity.
• 1:48:26
  Yeah, I don't think she is. So she won't.
• 1:48:28
  We don't really know celebs much.
• 1:48:33
  We're not. I don't know.
• 1:48:37
  I honestly don't know. She doesn't know anyone.
• 1:48:39
  She's picked someone, I'll tell you that.
• 1:48:44
  She'll say something like she doesn't know many famous people,
• 1:48:48
  mate. She'll say something out the
• 1:48:55
  gate like Lady Gaga or something.
• 1:48:59
  We're looking at Lady Gaga, no? No.
• 1:49:03
  Yeah, she's not. We're not that cool.
• 1:49:06
  Hey, maybe an extra keys or something.
• 1:49:12
  An extra. Keys.
• 1:49:12
  That's a pretty good one. That's a good one, yeah.
• 1:49:14
  For you or for her keys. She's done one for you, yeah.
• 1:49:18
  Yeah, that she, that he likes that, Yeah.
• 1:49:20
  Yeah, I'm saying she doesn't know anyone.
• 1:49:21
  I can't work. So yeah, I'll say Alicia Keys.
• 1:49:24
  All right, something. Sammy's Hollywood crush would be
• 1:49:32
  he's actually too kind to openly say a woman.
• 1:49:37
  So it'd be well, to my face, it would be The Rock.
• 1:49:42
  So Dwayne Johnson. I thought that was your WWE
• 1:49:48
  player. You dressed up as Mad Monday
• 1:49:50
  that. Was me rock?
• 1:49:51
  I trained all you for that. Yeah, for Mad Monday.
• 1:49:57
  You look the feast too, Bro 70. 5 hard just for mad.
• 1:50:03
  Not the great final. Oh bro.
• 1:50:07
  Oh bro, that's how that's our show.
• 1:50:10
  Man, 2 hours, that's crazy. That's our longest one.
• 1:50:12
  But thanks bro, for coming in and sharing a little bit about
• 1:50:15
  your story, bro, and reflecting on I guess the the awesome
• 1:50:17
  career you've had as well. Been a been a privilege to have
• 1:50:20
  you on the show bro as our as our third guess and hopefully
• 1:50:23
  not the the last appearance as well bro anytime.
• 1:50:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me.
• 1:50:27
  No thanks bro. Nice shot.
• 1:50:30
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