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Higgins Take a Knee · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost same
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  Speaker 1: As episode this week where we recap Bachelor in Paradise singing.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we sing? I don't know it felt good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it felt good. Well, you were singing before,
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  Speaker 1: and so I just rubbed off on me. Actually I'm
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  Speaker 1: going crazy. I'm currently sitting in my basement right now.
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  Speaker 1: I've been down here for six days. I can't put weight. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So here's a big update from my surgery last last Tuesday. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they got in there, yeah, I know, replacement, but then
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  Speaker 1: it got worse. So, like, I have this disease going
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  Speaker 1: on on my knee where my uh tissues eating at
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  Speaker 1: it itself and so it's like causing inflammation that like,
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  Speaker 1: so they had to grind it off my like bone.
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  Speaker 1: Um and so yeah, and then my meniscus was super
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  Speaker 1: messed up, which most people like, Hey, I've tore my
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  Speaker 1: meniscus before, but you want your meniscus. So they stitch
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  Speaker 1: it up and they tell me I can't have any
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  Speaker 1: weight on my knee. Listen to this for six weeks, Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: That means you cannot stand for six weeks without being
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  Speaker 1: on a crutch on a crutch, um can't drive. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like kind of locked in. Didn't you have like
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  Speaker 1: a zilion flights? I have a zillion flights. I have
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  Speaker 1: two board meetings, and then I also have a wedding
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  Speaker 1: coming up. And this pushes me, Like I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 1: walking The official date of our wedding is two weeks after.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be ready to uh ready to put weight on
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  Speaker 1: it again, Like I don't know what I'm gonna do. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So basically when you're joking about walking down the aisle
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  Speaker 1: with a cane and is it's a reality now, but
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  Speaker 1: like still super on brand for you, you know, wanted
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  Speaker 1: to host the elderly edition of the Bachelor, and like
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  Speaker 1: you can still do like this old school classic Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: charm thing with it. Like I can see like Caring
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  Speaker 1: Grant with a kid. Right, I'm fine with it, and
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  Speaker 1: I know Jess as good with it. Um, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was just a little more intense than they than
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  Speaker 1: they expected that I expected. I'm feeling fine and I
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  Speaker 1: get off. I think today is my last day on
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  Speaker 1: like pay medication, Like this is day six and I've
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  Speaker 1: only taken one a day now. I was like three
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  Speaker 1: UM for the first two days, and obviously my history
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  Speaker 1: of pay medication is not a good one, and so
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  Speaker 1: I'm down to one UM and I think tomorrow I'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to just go to Thailand all, which will
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  Speaker 1: be great for me personally, and I'm feeling pretty good,
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  Speaker 1: like mentally about it. But um, yeah, wild you know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna need like a full blown knee replacement in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years? I think so. I think that's what's
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  Speaker 1: going on now, you know what. I'm getting married, though,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm just calling I'm I'm calling it in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do the best I can for as
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  Speaker 1: long as I can. Uh. Jessica had to leave town
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  Speaker 1: so she can even be cake testing and her wedding
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  Speaker 1: dress shops. And my mom has been out here helping
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  Speaker 1: me out a lot, which has been super amazing and
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  Speaker 1: really good for us, because it just spent me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not very fun right now, but at least we have
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  Speaker 1: to hang out together and spend some good time together. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I guess what, and then we can move on to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. I don't know if anybody cares about this,
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  Speaker 1: but I woke up from my surgery and I told
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  Speaker 1: the nurse. I said, hey, I don't want my mom
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  Speaker 1: or Jess back here until I'm like semi coherent because
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  Speaker 1: I say weird stuff in my regular life, like all
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  Speaker 1: the time. And uh, and I can't imagine I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say when I wake up from anesthesia. And so finally
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  Speaker 1: they came back. I still don't remember and coming back,
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  Speaker 1: but the nurse decided I was good enough for them
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  Speaker 1: to come back. And the nurse goes, hey, but what
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  Speaker 1: would you like to drink? Um? And I wass tequila
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  Speaker 1: soda and she's like, you know, She's like, we have
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  Speaker 1: apple juice, we have orangees like tequila soda or nothing.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, we'll get your water. I said, that's good. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we got a good podcast coming for you today. Super
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  Speaker 1: cool episode. Um, a lot going on in paradise, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things to follow up on. We're gonna take
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  Speaker 1: a break here. When we come back, we're gonna break
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  Speaker 1: down the headlines of this week and also break down
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  Speaker 1: this week's episode, a Bachelor in Paradise, which is a
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  Speaker 1: good one. We'll be back with the Almost Famees Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to break down this week's episode of Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise. You all watched, we watched, and we're into it.
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  Speaker 1: Like we're into it, Ashley. We start out this with
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  Speaker 1: the cocktail party. Um, I just want to start out
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  Speaker 1: from the beginning and say, I'm really excited for Titus.
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  Speaker 1: I just like him as the host. He brings a
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  Speaker 1: good energy. I I was questioning their their host choices
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  Speaker 1: when it got announced, just like it just like it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense and still doesn't make sense to me
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  Speaker 1: on why they chose who they chose. But I've actually
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  Speaker 1: kind of enjoyed the small snit like segments with each hoast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think they could have utilized each hose a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. They may have. We just may not have
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  Speaker 1: seen it, because sometimes it's like, Wow, you came on
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  Speaker 1: the guest host and like you literally had one scene
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  Speaker 1: beyond the hello and goodbye scene. But I also would
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  Speaker 1: think I think it's where they didn't have a female
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  Speaker 1: host at some point. Um, but yeah, they're fun. I
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  Speaker 1: had a point that I, oh, I, yeah, here's my point.
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  Speaker 1: I am so tired of hearing the little John. Are
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  Speaker 1: you looking for I mean, like I have I said
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  Speaker 1: this before, probably just like we're looking for eligible old
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  Speaker 1: bachelors if you want to be on the New But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, wow, the stick is all it is.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing with a little John is like he's
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  Speaker 1: a brilliant dude who's a great host. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: they could have utilized him in different ways other than
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  Speaker 1: just repeating his like one thing over and over, Like
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  Speaker 1: they could have had him do a bunch of little
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  Speaker 1: funny but instead they just use the same thing over
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  Speaker 1: and I get that. Yeah, they could have been creative
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  Speaker 1: with it, like every week there was something different, because
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  Speaker 1: he's good, like he has a lot, he's really good
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  Speaker 1: at this. He just they just didn't like, I think
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  Speaker 1: you made a good point. Goods like it's been fun.
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  Speaker 1: They could have used utilized them more. But here's diving
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  Speaker 1: into this week's episode. This where I want to start it.
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  Speaker 1: There's one rule and here's where I uh as an
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  Speaker 1: alumni of the show and listeners, you're fans of the show,
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  Speaker 1: which now I am as well. That's about That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of my title is a fan of the show actually
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  Speaker 1: is a fan of the show. Um, there's only one rule,
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  Speaker 1: and anybody can blame editing. That's a common excuse and
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  Speaker 1: it can pretty much be thrown out there anytime anybody
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  Speaker 1: wants it, and it never sticks because you always see
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  Speaker 1: through that like excuse. The one rule of this show
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  Speaker 1: is that you can't come onto the show in a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like Well said, yeah, which
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  Speaker 1: is what will Well said. I feel like it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the theme of the last two weeks here is
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  Speaker 1: like anybody that comes off of this and we're all
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  Speaker 1: watching them and we're waiting for there. They're doing these
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  Speaker 1: like responses on Instagram of hey, I'm you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: either sorry, I'm not sorry for what I did, but
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  Speaker 1: they blame it on eddying. It's like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: let's just be clear. You had a relationship coming into
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  Speaker 1: the show. That's the only rule. You broke it as
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  Speaker 1: a result. Those consequences. They don't have to be terrible.
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  Speaker 1: People don't have to hate you for it. But like
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  Speaker 1: it's not okay, Yeah, is that fairly okay? Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's totally fair. And yeah, I mean, like Bachelor Nation
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  Speaker 1: can get really heated over and say like crazy things
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  Speaker 1: on these people's instagrams. That's not fair. I understand that
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  Speaker 1: these people like trying to, like I feel like they
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  Speaker 1: need to defend themselves. We'll get a little bit further
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  Speaker 1: into this during Hot Topics when we talked about some
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  Speaker 1: of these apologies, but even like Piper said something during
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  Speaker 1: New York Fashion Week, so here's a teaser for you
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  Speaker 1: guys us to stick around for headlines, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, I feel like you are continuing to lie,
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  Speaker 1: Like why can't you disat least at this point, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to come across way more likable if you just
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  Speaker 1: face up and you'll be honest. Well and yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: we'll dive into this because I have some strong opinions
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  Speaker 1: on everybody's apologies um or statements or have you calm
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  Speaker 1: and I get the people are mean and come on,
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  Speaker 1: we're not for that ever, Like you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: like destroy these people because of the choices that they
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  Speaker 1: made to try to get some fame, Like that's that's
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  Speaker 1: that's that we can be upset about it. They should
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  Speaker 1: leave the show, that you can even stop following them with,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is was a really strong statement. But
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to hate the human like that's never okay.
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  Speaker 1: But we still have strong opinions on this. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: dive in this episode. It's it's the cocktail party, actually
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  Speaker 1: take it away, alright, so five girls are going to
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  Speaker 1: leave so many or so or so we think, Um,
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  Speaker 1: so there's like a lot of pressure, and the girls
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  Speaker 1: are saying, like when you see them chit chatting that
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  Speaker 1: it seems like it's going to be Demi on the
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  Speaker 1: chopping block. Um, possibly Chelsea, who I was a little
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  Speaker 1: confused by because I thought she did have a good
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  Speaker 1: date with Aaron. They talked about how just send you
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  Speaker 1: is on the chopping block. Tammy's gonna get cut off,
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  Speaker 1: we think, and then Deandrew, those are the predicting. Those
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  Speaker 1: are who like the girls are predicting or on the
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  Speaker 1: chopping book. But you know what just strikes me right
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  Speaker 1: then is what about Tia, who we definitely feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's in partnered with anybody. And what about Kendall who
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  Speaker 1: we definitely haven't seen with anybody, but during the cocktail
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  Speaker 1: hour we see them with guys. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: Tia is kissing James and Kendall is kissing Ivan. Where
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  Speaker 1: did that come from? Yeah? You know what, it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because you would have felt like I understand that we
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot from like the T and James
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  Speaker 1: coupling up doesn't feel that interesting to me. Now they're
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  Speaker 1: both interesting as humans and as characters, but like that
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  Speaker 1: relationship felt like okay, it probably yeah, Fickle just blossomed
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere. But I'm surprised we haven't. That the
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  Speaker 1: show didn't dive more into Kindle and Ivan, or at
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  Speaker 1: least and we see it later on one scene. Just
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  Speaker 1: needed one scene of them connecting. That's it. We had
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  Speaker 1: no clue. But when I and again we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: to do this in chronological order. When I first see
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  Speaker 1: Kindle and Ivan together, I think, in my mind, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this could work, Like this is an interesting couple that
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  Speaker 1: feels like they have a lot of things in common.
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  Speaker 1: Totally totally agree. It's interesting to me. M I know,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. So um. Then the big thing that happens
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  Speaker 1: during this cocktail party is that is Brendan and Piper right.
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  Speaker 1: They they end up leaving because they're confronted by Joe
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  Speaker 1: and the posse of a lot of the single girls
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  Speaker 1: saying like, okay, really, what you did was exactly like
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  Speaker 1: what Chris did and they left yesterday, so I think
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of appropriate if you guys also escorted yourselves out.
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  Speaker 1: And then we get more into the logistics of like
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  Speaker 1: how many times they hung out. You know, Piper said
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  Speaker 1: they hung out ten times, and Brennan said that they
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  Speaker 1: hung out like twice. And what he said he clarified
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  Speaker 1: that they had hung out in like privacy, like to
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  Speaker 1: two or three dinner dates, and it's like that is
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  Speaker 1: a lot. That is a lot of personal private time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not downplay that. Two or three dinner dates plus
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  Speaker 1: the additional group hangs like that is a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: he gets annoyed. You know, there's just more. There's more annoyance,
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  Speaker 1: like oozing out of their pores. But everybody has good
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  Speaker 1: points and um the and then we see more like
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  Speaker 1: sketchy stuff from them because they're sitting on that bed,
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  Speaker 1: Piper and Brendan talking about followers and money, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I have a master's degree in marketing. I should be
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  Speaker 1: able to get um, I should be able to get
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  Speaker 1: followers on my own and it's just like crazy, I've
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  Speaker 1: never Okay, so a little sneak peek we have just
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  Speaker 1: send you coming on for her own episode this week
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  Speaker 1: and you're gonna really love that episode. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that you send your brings up a little
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  Speaker 1: sneak peak about it is like you all know that
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  Speaker 1: you're being filmed and you have a mic on, Like
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  Speaker 1: everybody is aware of this, and they know that they're
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  Speaker 1: being filmed all the time. You're never you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a place really to hide, and if you are hiding
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  Speaker 1: and you're saying stuff that's like intriguing to the producers,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna find you and they're gonna find a way
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  Speaker 1: to record you doing this. They talk about followers and
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  Speaker 1: fame so much that it's it's like, it's surprising to
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  Speaker 1: me of the lack of awareness about where they're at
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  Speaker 1: because I know and like I know, during my time
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  Speaker 1: on the show, you are cautious of what you're saying, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like you don't want to come off incorrectly. It's always
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  Speaker 1: something in the back of mind. And yes, you do
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  Speaker 1: get more comfortable as you go and you start to
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  Speaker 1: say things and do things, and maybe you wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: done it the first week, but you're still aware. And
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  Speaker 1: so if you know that like followers in fame, which
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  Speaker 1: everybody at some level is intrigued by I don't think
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  Speaker 1: to say interested in, and they're not necessarily motivated by it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think Kindle is there on the beach
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  Speaker 1: right now motivated by more fame. I think she had
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  Speaker 1: a legit like desire to figure some stuff out. So
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  Speaker 1: not everybody is motivated by it, but everybody is aware
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  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, they're talking about talking about it so much,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like like what are you doing? Like stop,
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  Speaker 1: it's mind blowing. My thought is probably that they may
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  Speaker 1: have been thinking if the camera isn't honest, like if
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  Speaker 1: there isn't a camera crew in the room, so listeners
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  Speaker 1: out there are like there are I can't I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know the number. I'm gonna say five or six,
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  Speaker 1: like big cameras that will follow the cast around in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: but there are. There are cameras launched to like the
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  Speaker 1: ceiling in every room, like you're constantly being recorded. But
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  Speaker 1: my thought is that with Brendan and Piper, they thought
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  Speaker 1: if like the camera crew wasn't there with the big camera,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't being filmed, and that they were relatively safe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know like how they possibly could have. And
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  Speaker 1: and my thought is also that the producers saw their
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  Speaker 1: behavior without the camera crews in there, and they were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even gonna put a crew in there. We're
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  Speaker 1: just gonna keep using the this, this the ceiling cameras
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  Speaker 1: to capture these insane conversations. And when I say insane,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna are they I mean inappropriate? They're they're inappropriate
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  Speaker 1: because it does take away from, like I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: the in the process of them doing this, there is
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  Speaker 1: people in pain, like the Natashas of the world. You know,
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  Speaker 1: um peop are getting hurt by their desire for fame,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's inappropriate, um but not absolutely like crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean in saying I'm at least they're saying
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  Speaker 1: it like it's this taste, you know. At least they're
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  Speaker 1: saying it like at least there's one thing about them,
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  Speaker 1: at least admitting that this is where they're there. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I do have to apologize because two weeks ago, when
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  Speaker 1: I was on the podcast, I took last week off. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I did say that what we knew was going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe this was last week actually I said they
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  Speaker 1: were going to get more followers on this. I was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You were wrong. This was shocking to me that Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: Nation actually did the opposite to them, Like, I never
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  Speaker 1: saw that coming. I've never seen that happen. Like typically
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  Speaker 1: even the biggest of villains, the ones that shake stuff
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  Speaker 1: up the most, still get more followers for doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I did not expect them to lose followers. I was wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to admit that. Okay, let me look
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  Speaker 1: up a Bachelor Data has right now as like the
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  Speaker 1: what happened last week, Because you guys know we had
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Data, a girl who runs this Instagram account come
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  Speaker 1: on our podcast a couple of months ago. We'll round
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  Speaker 1: the numbers about a bit. It looks like Natasha gained
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  Speaker 1: over a hundred and eighty thousand followers from last week's episodes,
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  Speaker 1: Piper went down about seven thousand, and Brendan went down
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  Speaker 1: about sixty And this these stats are from six days ago.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that is wild to me, Ashley, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I did not see that coming. Um, but bachel Nation spoke.
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  Speaker 1: They've obviously shared their peace and this did backfire on them. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to the show. So we see the group coming
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  Speaker 1: to them and I and I had mixed feelings about it.
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  Speaker 1: I do think Joe's and I said this a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, He's a wise dude. I do think
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  Speaker 1: his intentions by saying, hey, everybody's bad mouthing them behind
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  Speaker 1: their back, I want to have this conversation with them.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a great move for Joe, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that was a respectful thing to do, is
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  Speaker 1: say hey, let's stop just bad mouthing him, let's actually
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  Speaker 1: go to them. Now. Did it need to be eight people?
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  Speaker 1: That felt a little aggressive, but everybody was interested, everybody
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  Speaker 1: was into it. Um, it got pretty hostile, and I
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  Speaker 1: felt like, um, Brendan and Piper both immediately knew that
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  Speaker 1: they were kind of pushed into a corner. And I
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  Speaker 1: want to know what you think of how Brendan responded
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  Speaker 1: to this conversation, because there was a lot of what
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know how I get when like a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: lot of voices are coming at me kind of like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: an intervention, um, and like you get defensive. But like
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: it got it got to the point where they just left,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and it felt like it was probably the best move
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: for them to do. But what what would you how
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: have you of reacted if that, like if eight people
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: walked up to you on the beach with that kind
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of attitude, I mean, it's easy to say that I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: would have just been like, Okay, guys, I get it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: We messed up. We did. We're sorry, Like, you're right,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we did come here thinking that we were going to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: be together. That's the best move. I feel like maybe
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: under the pressure and in the midst of the conversation,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I would be defensive like that. It's interesting that when
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: they did that go off to have their own personal conversation.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Piper said, I told you I didn't want to do this,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: which is just like further evidence to me that, like
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it was kind of planned. Yeah it was. Yeah. So anyways,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: they leave, they both are very upset in the van.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But I do think it it resettles the beach a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: little bit, Like I think the I really I really
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: am watching this and feeling like most of the cast
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: are getting along here, like we've kind of gotten rid
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of the hostile city and the issues now and now
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like love stories of meal bossom, which happens the most season.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: But I do think it resettled the beach. Um. I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of I think I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: think there was a big, a big thing kind of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: sitting over like a cloud sitting over and with Piper
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and Brendan still being there and Natasha being so hurt,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and it felt like, Okay, there's a breath. But at
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this point in time, I'm watching this going yeah, but
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Natasha is still the one gonna get hurt of this,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Like she's still gonna go home because of all this.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And that's even sadder until we're at the rose ceremony
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and Wells comes up and says, you know, I feel
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: like there's somebody that he was really screwed over and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: played and it just wasn't right. So then he he
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: has poly gun bringing the extra rose for Natasha, which
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I think was a great move. I think we all
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: liked it. I want to know how just Senia felt
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: about that. Did you get to talking about did you
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: get to talking about that with her? I didn't. It's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a good question personally, find there that to be different
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: because just send had her time with Ivan and then
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: she moved on, and then Connor b was interested in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: her and she moved on. Yeah. I just I just
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: feel like it was totally like Natasha kind of had.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: The reason I didn't ask to send you is because
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of that, it was like, can you really compare to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: not both are unfortunate like both, but like just send
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: your storyline is a little more similar to like what
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: happens in Paradise. You date around, you end up not
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: finding somebody whatever. Natasha was kind of like all eyes
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: on Brendan because she thought he had only eyes for
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: her for a while and then she gets messed over
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and so she kind of like didn't get her shot.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: That's the way I see it, and so that's why
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily like comparable but still unfortunate, but not comparable.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I was surprised. I wonder if you are, um because
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I just look at Natasha and like I've you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: we've said it, but like I've been a fan of her,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: um uh, you know, during her time on the podcast,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and just like her time on the show, I kind
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of see her like a little bit like on a pedestal, like, oh,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: she's like really just incredible and she can do so
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: well in this world and all this stuff. I was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: surprised by her emotion to wanting to be there still,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like explained to me Ashley, like why you think she
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: was so emotional over still getting your rose and still
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: being able to be around Because for me, I'm watching mean, like, Natasha,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine in this world, Like guys are
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: gonna like they have to be flocking for her. I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of it has to do with
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: just like the support of the friendships there and like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: people were happy to see her get that chance. So
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I think, like when you're surrounded by people who are
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: who are like rooting you on that hard, that's a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: good point. That's a good point, yeah, because like how
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: often life are you kind of like feeling kicked and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: pushed around and then you have I mean, how many
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: people are there? So like can people go no, Like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: we want to find the best way to support you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So good move on the show's part. Good move on
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Wells as part um. Happy to see Natasha is still there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Any shockers from that Rose ceremony for you, I think,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: can just I mean, Demi leaves. I don't think it
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was shocking that Demi left, but at the same time,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she's such a figurehead and like to see like somebody
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: like that leave at a Rose ceremony just by getting
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like quote kicked off is kind of always like a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: little shocking, And I think what Joe said was so right, Like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: she puts on this tough exterior, but she's like really upset. Um.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So I think we'll miss the commentary from Demi. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: do appreciate the fact that earlier in the episode she
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was kind of the one that rallied the conversation that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Joe and all the girls had because she was like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you guys like Brendan, and that's the reason you're not
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: giving Brendan as much crap as you gave Chris, because
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you guys didn't like Ris. So I'm glad that she
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was kind of the brigade leader there. Um. But you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: she had a lot of she she had a lot
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of screen time, and we're not worried about Demi. I'm
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: not worried about Demi in any sort of future context. No,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But you're right, and I think it's one thing like
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for any fan to know and and you obviously know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: him even better than I do. Um. But she puts
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: on this tough exterior and then but she's she's so
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: incredible and she is she's sensitive and she's sweet. Um,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and we got to see more of that. I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: as Paradise continued at the first she kind of came in,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: had that tough exterior, you know, was Dimmi and everybody
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: knew of Demmi, and then as time went on, she
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: started to kind of like show just how much she
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: cares and how much she wants to find somebody and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: how much she wants to find a partner. Um, I'm
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: sad to see her go. I enjoyed watching her experience.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder and we'll obviously get her on here to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the podcast, But I wonder if she's happy she did
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Paradise this year. If you were to guess, what do
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you think? Um, I think she'll be happy that she
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: did it. It may not be as definitive as like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: her past appearances. Yeah, I wonder if we'll see her back.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big question for me. Is hopefully
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: she finds somebody in between now. But UM, I wonder
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: if this was kind of Demi's you know, semi retirement
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: from the show, because you know, I don't I don't
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: know if she's if we'll see much more of her
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the future. Um, which should be sad. I've I've
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: enjoy watching Demi. She's very good TV. She's great TV,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and she is oddly endearing at times. This week's back
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to bracket rule of the week is ten plus points
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if a contestant is seen kissing on a day bed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on top of already existing kissing points. You guys, I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: think this is going to be pretty easy. I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the daybeds are probably the number one spot for makeout.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Sasha's so good luck. So at the rose ceremony, like
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: everybody kind of pairs up with who we think we're
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: going to pair up? Deandra Demi, Um, we didn't talk
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: about Tammy. We gotta talk about Tammy for a second.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Tammy leaving that poor girl, she like really thought that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Thomas and her had something, but like didn't they only
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: have like a little something something for like two days
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: before that becka date. I felt bad it was So
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like the last person to say because I'm the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: person who like falls in love at first sight and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I will be head over heels and obsessed and like
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I will wail over you if I've known you even
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for a night. So I'm like the last person to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like create doubt over her feelings. But I definitely think
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: she misinterpreted things coming from him, And I don't think
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he didn't anything wrong. No, there's no hate on Thomas
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and this like this he did exactly what everybody else
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: does during Paradise, is they're dating somebody. Somebody else comes
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to the beach, they go on a date with them
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: because they keep their options open, like I'm there, there's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: no issue there. I I watched that scene and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: was what comes to mind in my notes it that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I wrote down, was she just put all cards on
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the table, like she made the statement that I think
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I made the Jessica months into our relationship, even if
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: if even if I like felt it, she said you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: my best friend. I know. I couldn't believe she said that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, do I everywind? Like that made my
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: heart sink, not like not there's no like I have
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: no criticism here other than just like my heart sank
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: because like that's such a strong statement, and like she
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: obviously was like throwing everything out there for him and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: saying like Thomas, like I want you to be it,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and like he looks at her and says it's not
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it and she they were on two different pages. Um,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that was hard to watch, especially
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: seeing her say that because if she means it, which
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I have to believe she did. She was she was
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: so off of what Thomas was feeling, and it just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: it hurts, Oh, say he was her best friend makes
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: me feel like was there so many conversations that we
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: didn't see? I don't, I don't know, I don't know, Ash,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But it's it's worth noting, right to anybody listening, is
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to like make sure you pay attention to that scene
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and like I want to know how you feel about it,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: all the listeners. So please um message us uh and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: email us and d M s about that because that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was that was a heavy, heavy scene that was that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: was that was sad. It was really sad. Um, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, she like put all the blame on Thomas,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: but it was very obvious from the things that we've
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: seen that it just was a relationship that was lopsletted. Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: she put the blame on him, but like not, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that's not totally like out of the norm. Like she
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was throwing her hired out there and he's like, hey,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's just not there, and so you're like you're like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: oh no, come on, like you're the problem here, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like you just do that in breakups, Like I mean,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that's what that was for her. Yeah, okay, and then okay,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so Deandrew leaves, but like we kind of knew that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: was coming. And then it just Senia leaves, and we
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had knew that was coming. Um. And then so Chelsea
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: stays because Aaron ended up giving her his rose, which
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't shocking to me. And then it's the next day.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: The next day, Little John shows up. He says yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and uh. Then it's kind of like all happy, go
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: lucky in Paradise. The only thing that kind of gets
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: shaken a bit is James. James Jim sees Tia with
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this new guy. His name is Blake. He shows up.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: We don't know who Blake is. I have no idea
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: who Blake is. He's from Clear slash Chase this season
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: from Indiana. I like him. I like him. Yeah, Tia
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: was very excited, had her eyes set on him, hoping
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that he was going to be there. So he's a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: good looking dude, very good looking and and and it
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: seemed like he was into Tia, like right off the bat.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, she's she's getting a mistake. They
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: go on the date, They have a great time. They
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: talk about um like soulmates and they are very honest
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: about the connection that they're feeling together. So now James,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you know, he's out of luck, and everybody else is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like just like thriving, it seems, except for like Kendall
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: probably who were not really seeing much of. But Abigail
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and Noah, h Serena and Joe, Kenny and Marie, Riley
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and Marissa and Becca and Thomas. They're all like making
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: out and having a great town on the beach. Meanwhile,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: everybody is a little concerned with where Natasha is going
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to find a man. Yeah, so you have James and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Natasha kind of sitting off to the side right now.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I I want to say that this Tia and Blake thing, um,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Tea has been around a while. I've gotten
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to spend good time with you. Like I was really
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: excited for this moment because there was a connection there
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that like felt like right away, You're like, oh, this
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: is I think her feelings towards him, this is how
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I take it. But like her feelings towards him were
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: stronger right away, Like she was pretty much like I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: want to go on this date. If he invites somebody else,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to go on that date. I'm gonna
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: be And then they go on the date and she's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: sitting there and she just has these like these like
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: her eyes for him, like you can read her eyes
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and see that, like she's so into it. And I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: get it these guys from Indiana, like they've got something
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: about him. Um, But I really enjoyed that that date
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and that moment for for the two of them, especially
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: for Tia. I thought Ta was just showing up to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the beach with because Becca was there and they're good
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: friends and she was just gonna have a good time
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: then pretty much like peace out and no, you're seeing that,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like she really is into this. And then we have James.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about Natash in a second, but you have James.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you. When I saw James
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: on his season The Bachelorette, I thought he was kind
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of just like a joke, Like I thought, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: he's the guy that shows up the box and like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the guy with the overdone eyebrows exactly first like that, Yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, Like he's fine, but definitely
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not a dude that like I would probably want to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: kick it with. Um, not a guy I would see
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: eye to eye with I will say this again, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was wrong because I have enjoyed watching him during Paradise
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: open up, break down a little bit, become like vulnerable
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and sensitive and make fun of himself, but also just
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: like care deeply. Um, I've I've, I've, I've liked him
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a lot more now and I'm saying I see who
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: this dude is and it shows me once again the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: lesson I have to continue to teach myself is you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: can't dislike somebody until you know their story. And once
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you know the story, it's really hard not to like him.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And I think, like I'm liking James Moore, but I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: do think his time has passed, and I think it's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: almost like comedic watching him like I do in my evilness,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: watching like enjoy watching the scenes where he's sitting alone
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: eating because it's like this is so sad that it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: almost funny. Well, this season, maybe more than ever, I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: feel like there are people that are lingering far beyond
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: like their do date, do you know what I mean? Okay, Like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: but I think James and Ivan are like the two
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: standouts for me there and maybe a little errand maybe
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: he's actually kind of stayed relevant through every episode with
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like a new something something. Um, But I don't know
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: what it is, whether they have more of a cast
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and there's more roses or just like the like the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: way that the guys went first, these there's just a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: group that has gotten lucky. I feel like, yeah, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he's one of them. And he's definitely one of them. Well, uh,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what I want to say, is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I want to make it clear that, like I probably
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was too critical of James during his time on this,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in his season, um, and in Paradise, as always, you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about somebody. I like him
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit more, a lot more actually. Um. But
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: let's let's go on now. Before we talk about the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Kindle situation, because that's a big one that I want
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to sit on for a second, Let's talk about Joe
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: showing up to the beach, a guy that we just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: absolutely love. He was on the podcast Who's an incredible interview,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: really smart, very very caring. Um, he shows up to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the beach, Ashley, Your first thoughts when he shows up
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to the beach like a breath of fresh air. I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: super excited to be there, and I'm like No, this
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: guy is such a catch. You should have gone in earlier.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he didn't. Um, And I'm thinking
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that he and Natasha just on paper, sound like they
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: would be pretty compatible. I feel like they have like
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: similar levels of emotional intelligence. I feel like they're both
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: pretty smart. Uh, they're probably good conversationalist. I just felt
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that that made a lot of sense, and I was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: excited to see that vibe happening. And he seemed so
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: gentlemanly like to you know, like everything about him was like, Oh,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: what a catch? What a catch? I e. Everything like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: kind of went downhill towards the end. But what were
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: your first thoughts before we get to the actual dinner date. Well,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Joe. I'm assuming that the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: reason he should have plate is because of work and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he had to request that or whatever. That's just my guess. Uh.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The thing about Joe that like I admire with him
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: is his ability to care deeply about each conversation, Like
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he looks people in the eyes well and he focuses,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and that takes. That takes not only like like you said,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's an an awareness. And I was like, Natasha,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: my thought right away was Natasha needs this date with
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Joe for no other reason than to have somebody look
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: her in the eyes and deeply care about her and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: where she's at and what she's looking for. And if
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work, like if there isn't chemistry, that's okay,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: but at least she's going to get a date. We're
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: somebody listens to her. And that's what my hope was.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And so then he asked he on the date we
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: get to the date, it feels like to me, it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: going fine. It's not maybe like there's not like, it's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: not fireworks, but it's going fine. And and she obviously
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: had a lot to work through. Um, he's brand news
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to the beach, and then the big moment happens before
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: we get there. How cute was it when he tried
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to speak in Spanish and then when he took her,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: bugged her, bugged Margarita. It's that's he's he's a good dude.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, I don't think he's showing off
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: his intelligence, but daying his intelligence is attractive. Like he
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: speaks in Spanish. I think when he was on our
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: podcast he was talking about how many languages he spoke,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: he speaks a bunch, he's trying to speak a bunch
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and um, and then he takes her bug margarity like
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he's just he if he's a guy that like if
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I had a sister, I'd be like, you need need
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: to go on a date with Joe to know that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: there's good dudes out there. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, fine, but at least you're gonna
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: have a good date. And and so that's the setup
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I want to bring into their conversation about Brendan. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so obviously, as we all know from Instagram and from
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the world, Brendan and Joe are very close. They're they're
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: good friends, their best to remember what he said to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: us on the podcast, he said, if you do go
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to Paradise, who do you want to see down there?
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: From Bachelor Nation? And he said Brendan. Well, so, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, Ashley, if it's a coincidence, if
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it's ironic, because it is extraordinary timing that Natasha is
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: kind of the one single woman on the beach and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Joe shows up, and as soon as they start having
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this conversation, it can go one of two ways. It
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: can either go to a place of let's not really
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: talk about it because there's so much here for us
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to process that it's like not really helpful, or let's
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: dive into it and try to work through it. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it felt like Joe's care for Brendan is so strong
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that as soon as she brought it up, he pulled back,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and his intelligence and his his awareness all of a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: sudden like went away, and he just was like, I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: just I just can't. I need to process this. This
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: is so much, And he's like, we can just like
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: now take it slow. Like it felt like all of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a sudden, Yeah, he felt like, oh crap, I'm a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: part of a story that I don't necessarily want to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: be a part of or even knew I could become
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a part of. Yeah, it was a really awkward I didn't,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Um. The only way I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: can like kind of talk about this is kind of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: like flipping it into my own, like my own situation.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: If my best friend screwed some guy over um, but
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: then ended up being happy and like whatever relationship they
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: ended up in, would I have an is you dating
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the person that she screwed over? Well? I don't know
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that that really matters. I don't think it matters to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think Joe knows how little it would matter.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Like I think at this point, he's only getting a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: taste of the information, and so I think she's thinking.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I think from what he understood is like maybe Brendan's
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: going to be pissed at me. Yes, yeah, Like am
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I am I starting to walk into something that And
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: when I get off of this, I'm going to realize
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that I was a part of something that I shouldn't
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: be a part of it. Now I'm gonna lose a friend.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm also just like this new relationship with Ta
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Tasha's brand new, and I don't know if I'm like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that into it yet. I think he had so little
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: information but enough to be scared. Um. And that's that
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: was my take on it. Um. I could be wrong,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: but it was. It was sad. The reaction was a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: little jarring for me because it seems so immediate, like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: just like hit the hitt of tone just flipped and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it was like they got up from the table and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like the date was done. I'm sure they sat at
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the table for like at least an hour, and it
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't as abrupt as it seemed on TV, but it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: definitely seemed like, oh, they can't handle the awkwardness. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: don't know. If I'm in that situation, I think i'd
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like continue on and be like, Okay, let's change the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: topic to something lighter. We can always come to back
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to this later or something. It was awkward, it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it was awkward to watch. It was weird to watch,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and it was sad. But my hope is that, you know, um,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this whole Paradise season, it feels like it's set up.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: We're getting late into it, but it's set up for
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this like magical moment for Natasha, and it's still hope.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I'm still hopeful that, like we're just continuing to root
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: for her and she's continuing to get like unfortunate circumstances,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and then at some point, somebody's gonna show up to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the beach sweep her off her feet, and then she
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: just might enjoy like a week. They're like, that's my hope,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm kind of cheering for. That's a hope
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: for sure. But I think at this point it's pretty oh, wait,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: there are two men coming in next week, next episode
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: so could happen, and she she could just have fun
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: for a little while. Wille We'll see um. But Okay, Ashley,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the majority of our conversation to day, I do want
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to sit down with you and talk about Kindle and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Joe because I feel like, now, for the first time,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: we do understand that Kendall has been exploring something with Ivan. Um.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: We see this Joe relationship just becoming magical. Um. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: so let's start with the good. Joe is somebody who
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: obviously we're cheering for since the beginning. He shows it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the beach, it's hard for him. He meets Serena and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it feels very similar to kind of like the Kindle
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: process with Joe, where it's like she doesn't fully know yet,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: he's not fully into it yet. And then all of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a sudden they're like, no, let's do this thing. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the more they get this time around each other, the
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: more beautiful it becomes. And Serena is talking to Wells
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and she said and he asks her, like, hey, has
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: there been the love word thrown around? And she says
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: not yet, And he asked if it's coming, and she
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: says it could be. She is smitten with Joe she's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: kissing his shoulder, which is like the sweetest thing ever,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Like that's just incredible. Um, and we see this relationship
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: becoming really something special. She admits to Joe that she's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: falling in love with him. He says it back, and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: for me, there's just she says, I think I like
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you more than you like me. I mean, how nervous
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: are you? For that moment? It was like, what this
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: whole season, I've been saying that's not the case. I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: guess I was wrong. I think her feelings caught up
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a lot in the past week. Oh but it's also actually,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you know, it's also everybody out there knows it. It's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a way to protect yourself as you know you're about
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to say something that's so vulnerable. You're like, I think
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you like I like you more than you like me,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: just to set yourself up for failure, Like you're you're
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: expecting him to not say it back, and so you're like, Okay,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: at least I said that, like everybody does it. But
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that's when you also know just how real it is.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Where she's like, I want to say this to you,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and I need to protect myself because my heart is
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: so much on the line right now, and then she
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: says it, and he says it back to her, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know. For me, it was
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just this moment of like glee, like it was a
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: moment of celebrate, like I'm watching this like this is
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: so beautiful, like we're seeing when this show works, like
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: what it can look like. And I was thinking about
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Kendall over there, But I was also thinking like, okay,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like this is real, this is real. I'm glad this
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: is mutual now because I wasn't on precent sure that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: it was like on they were on even playing field.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But then I'm thinking about Kendall over there, who's watching it,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: which sucks. I would have removed myself earlier than Kendall did.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, those situations, we were like, it's painful
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to watch, but if I'm not watching been what's happening
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: and I must be in the know. So I see
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: her dilemma on that. So that's where we can transition then,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and we can sit on this for a bit. Kindle mh,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I wish you would have walked away
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: quicker um. At this point, she has now become very
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: aware that Joe is pursuing Serena. And I think Joe
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: has a huge heart, and I can't imagine it's easy
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: for him to be fostering this relationship with Serena in
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: front of Kendle, but he cares enough that he knows
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it's his only option. Kindle's watching this with Ivan sitting
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: right behind her. I'm now beginning to feel for Ivan
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: because he has to, like he's into Kindle and he's
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: sitting there as she just stares at her ex boyfriend
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and said and is watching this go down, And it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: breaking my heart for her because there's no situation in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: life where this has to happen except here, and it sucks. So, Ashley,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: how are you feeling about Kindle during this whole scenario.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: You've already said you think she should have left like earlier,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but she couldn't have. So as she's sitting there, like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: is her mind spinning in her heart just breaking? Yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it's just like so broken. It's like you're literally just
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: watching a heart shatter. I feel like, um, I don't
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: know how she did it, especially sitting next to Ivan.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, get I guess she made the move
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that I would have been like, Okay, Nope, can't be
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: next year right now. Gross. You're a very wonderful man.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But even if you're a Brad Pitt right now, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: would say gross. You know what I mean? Uh, it
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: is it's so unnatural, Like it's so not supposed to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: happen to your heart like that. It's hard enough to
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: see your ex move on on Instagram or to even
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: like not even see a picture on Instagram, but to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like see like likes and comments and like to in
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: your in your head to be thinking about like, oh,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is that is that a thing? Um? And then you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: start a mad the thing and then like you might
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: be totally exaggerating and maybe it's not, but like to
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: see it definitively in front of your eyes is like
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking thing that somebody can see. I get that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And and it's like, you know, we always say it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like in relationships and breakups. It's like you have to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: get that band aid ripped off so you can start
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to heal like that. You know you have a big wound. Yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that wound is need stitches. Yeah, you're right, and it
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: just keeps getting deeper and deeper. I'm also now realizing
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and we always kind of said it. But like Kendall
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: came to the beach because she was in love with
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Joe so much, like I'm seeing that now, like I'm
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: seeing I always knew that she was interested in Joe
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and she wanted to figure out like what was going
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: on there, if there was anything. But they've been broken
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: up for a year and a half, and now this
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: scene showed me that, like she is really really into Joe,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: like she has not moved on and now and this
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: is definitely the time where you have no shame. You
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: just put it out there, you know, like you know
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that she's going to say everything unfiltered to him whenever
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they do have this upcoming conversation because you know it's coming,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and then he's gonna tell her that he's in love
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: with somebody else, and holy crop, how do you do it?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you're right. And I usually don't
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like to be a part of these conversations, but I am.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I'm anxiously awaiting watching them have this conversation because I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: hope that out of it comes some healing. I hope
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: out of it, though, like I know, it's gonna be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of pain. Um And I also, I mean,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I guess selfishly. You know, I'm hopeful for this conversation
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: because I want to see Joe leave this beach happy,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and I know that like, as long as this is
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: still existing, he's gonna have like this is like the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: one thing that he needs to probably like remove and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that kindle needs to remove so that they can both
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: move on. And you know, being in joe most position
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: isn't easy either, because there's like a lot of guilt
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: there because like he still obviously loves Kendall as a
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: person and just doesn't want to break her heart, but
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like also just knows that his heart is romantically elsewhere. Well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it was a big episode. We have a lot to come.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: In the sneak peek, Uh, we do see Kendall telling
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Joe that she never stopped loving him. Um. We do
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: see Joe comfort Kendall at this moment, So we're awaiting this. Um.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: We obviously as we didn't talk about a lot any
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: about Kenny and Marie, but like we do see them
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: go to the boom boom room. Um, we see them,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you know, continue their relationship. Uh. And one one other
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: thing here, Riley and Marissa are falling in love. But
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: then Marissa is shown with another guy during the sneak peek.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Can you believe no? Because we watched them lick whip
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: cream off each other's toes. We didn't talk about that,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and I have to say that was the first time
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, this ship doesn't even feel PG. Thirteen
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Right now, the most rated are I was watching on
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the train with my dad. I was watching on my phone.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: He was not watching, but he like who glanced over
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and I was feeling like I was watching something dirty
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: in the presence of my dad. Yeah, you're feeling all
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: sorts of ways, like he's looking off your thighs, and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what happens. But even past the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Kindle and Joe situation, I am so into Riley and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Marissa being together that I'm very intrigued with what happens
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that she ends up moving. I mean, we see her
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: with another guy, like, actually, that can't be fake, Like
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: what's going on? So wild? And then Ivan's kissing Chelsea.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: How does this happen? Uh? And then there's a tropical
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: storm that shows up and they need to leave the beach.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a wild next couple of episodes. We
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: only have a few left I'm kind of sad about
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it being over. I'm kind of sad at the end
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of every episode, I'm like I could use a little
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: bit more. And we don't feel that way very often,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: especially right now with the big shows. We're like, yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: we're ready to move on and try the other season. Um,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. Actually, I'm into this season more than
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I expected to be in. So um, let's take a break.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: We come back. We have some Bachelor headlines that we
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: want to talk about, but so far, Ashley, I think
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you just said it. What would you rate this season
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of The Bachelor in Paradise on a scale of A
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to F. Oh, it's an agree, I would agree, it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: an A. Well, hey, we'll be back. We'll talk about
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: bachelor headlines in just a second. It's now time for
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines with our resident expert, Ashley I can Eddie.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: She knows everything and she's gonna share it with us.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Here we go. ABC taps one of Michelle Young's Bachelorette
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: suitors to be the next Bachelor. And here's the crazy thing.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: US Weekly can in confirmed. Now we're not confirming, but
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: US Weekly has confirmed. Wow, guys, we are not going
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to know who We're not going to know anything about
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: this bachelor until he's already filming, because if they go
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: according to their regular filming schedule, which starts in mid
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to late September, Um, we we will not be meeting
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: him until we will be meeting him until Michelle's season
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: premiers on October nineteen. So this guy is going to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: be filming for about a month before um we get
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to even get to know anything about him, which is interesting.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Um so these girls who are going to be on
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: his season are going in blind, and wow, you have
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to believe that, like spoilers is going to get out there,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: like we're gonna get spoilers. I think we're gonna know
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: who the guy is, and then we're gonna do a
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of like social media research on him, right
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: like you and I'll be talking about him, but like
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: as far as like his presence on the show will
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: know nothing about that. This comes as a result. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: guess Tyler Cameron wasn't talks but not not going to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: be the lead. And then from Katie's season we had
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Michael A and Paul Justin and I guess Andrew is
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: possibly in the running, and Greg who was like oddly
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: rumored there to be the Bachelor for a while, all
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of them not going to be um the Bachelor either.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Well here's my here's my thought. I think this. I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I think this is wrong. I think it's wrong because
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: the girls didn't know what like they were going into.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: They literally did not go there for him. They went
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: there to be on the Bachelor. I still think Michael
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: A Is gonna be the Bachelor. I still think it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I still think that, like the show is going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: find a way to get him to be the Bachelor,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and this is all a rumor, That's my theory because
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: none of this makes sense. And they need a Bachelor's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: season to be very successful, like they need it, and
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is the way to make it successful. Yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: unless this guy is so incredible that they know that
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to be obsessed with him on the back
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: on Michelle season. Possibly, but I mean I think everybody
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: was kind of that way with Michael Ay. So let's let's,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you know, back up the Brinks truck to him and
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to bring his son to filming
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: and let's make this happen. Anyways, next headline is this,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and this is a very serious one. UM. I mentioned
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: it a few months ago that one of my best
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: friends uh in the world, UM has been struggling with
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: lime disease now for the last year and his body
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: is is quickly actually shutting down. And UM, he's in
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a ton of testing. He's he has a port a
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: pit a pit line in his arm. It's a really
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: terrible disease. UM, and I've seen him, UM just really
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: suffer with this and so my my heart breaks. And
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: this is the headline. The Bachelor's Kelly Flanagan says, line
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: disease treatment will be intense nine month process. Now Ryan
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: said Are also has line disease. So this is the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: second Bachelor Nation person that we know that came out recently. UM, Ashley, Uh,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: can you read uh the excerpt of what's going on.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: But also I just want to say from all of us,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Kelly Flannagan, if you listen, UM, I'm sorry, Like this
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: is really heavy. It's devastating. I have I feel so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: bad for her. It's just like it's so crazy that
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: there's just no cure and like there doesn't even seem
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: to be like a constant, like it's like a treatment
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that that works for like a majority of people, you
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, but um, so, Mkelly is
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: going to be going to Boston to be doing a
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of tests and to try out everything she
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: possibly can. She was a Fashion Week this week and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: she said this is gonna be her last hurrah before
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a hectic nine months. She's just going to Boston to
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: see doctors there and learn how to maneuver it. And
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it's going to be intense. She said. There's could be
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: no carbs, no sugar, an oxygen tank for like thirty
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: minutes a day, brain wave lasers. It's gonna be extensive.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm ready to tackle it. She said. I'm pretty
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: honest with people in terms of what's going on. I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: can't start this protocol, you know, and be like on
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: forty supplements a day and be on an oxygen tank
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and not really share that. I know that some people
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: would want to be private about it. But if I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: can help one or two people even find their diagnosis
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and try to overcome it, that will just give me
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a good feeling. We're thinking about you, Kelly. I'm sorry,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: um if anybody has any information online. I know when
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I talked about in the podcast, a lot of people
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: responded to my buddy Brandon um with some great insight
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: into like different tricks of the trade, because there's just
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: like not a lot of research out there about it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So sinor Well wishes the Kelly Flannagan um just as
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: she enters into this process, because it's a hard one. UM.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Next headline moving forward is uh. You know, as we announced,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Matt James is going to be on this upcoming season
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: of Dancing with the Stars. Uh. And Matt James says
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: girlfriend Rachel has been practicing his Dance with the Stars
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: routine with him, which is which is really cute. It's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: very cute, and her sister happens to be a dancer
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and she's been helping. He says that he's been consulting
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: with her about how he can improve the steps. He says,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: he's whipping her and she's whipping him into shape. And
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Rachel also like kind of play played with him this
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: weekend on Instagram, joking about the fact that he's not
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that great of a dancer. Uh. We'll see, but I'm
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: sure that we'll be seeing Rachel in the audience if
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: there is an audience, and this time around being supportive
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of her love Matt. Now, I just gotta throw a
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: little uh disclaimer in here. One of my uh, one
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of the people that I love the most in this world.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: In fact, he knew about my proposal to Jessica before
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: anybody else. Ezra Sosa was a dance on The Bachelor
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Live on Stage tour with me. Uh. He lived on
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: the bus with me. He is a joy in a sweetheart.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: He was just announced as one of the professional dancers. Ezra. Uh,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You're gonna fall in love with him, people. He's incredible.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Route for him. He has a huge heart. I love
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: him dearly. Uh and uh and he's been so great
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to me. I'm so excited for him. Um as your
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Sosa Uh follow him. He's He's great. Anyways, I just
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: want to say that I'm so proud of him. Um.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Next headline is Bachelor in Paradise. Is Brendan and Piper
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: lose followers? As we mentioned as Bachelor Nation sides with
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Natasha Parker in a wild way? So yeah, Like I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: said earlier in the episode, Natasha ends up gaining about
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand followers and Brendan plummeted close to you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like over seventy thou followers, and then we saw how
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Piper was losing scheme on social well, she posted a
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: TikTok um set to Lizzo's song Rumors. Uh, and these
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: are the lyrics to rumors. If you guys aren't TikTok
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to slash, you don't know the lyrics to lizzos song.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It is all the rumors are true. Yeah, what you heard?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah, I f him and you Yeah, if
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you believe that, I do. Had to cut some hose loose. Yeah, alright,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So that is what Piper decided to post after last
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: week's episodes. Just interesting strategy. Uh yeah, And it's interesting
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: because you know, we saw Bachelination kind of come out
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and support and they rallied together and it's it's wild
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: because we do have a pretty big like viewership for
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Paradise this year. In fact, Paradise is bringing in more
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: viewers than this last season of The Bachelorette, which is
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: fairly uncommon um and like a history of the show.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: But it's it's bringing in either the same or a
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: little bit above each week, and we see this group
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of people saying, no, we're going to support who we
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: feel has done right. And that's Natasha, Well, the next
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: headline and it kind of rolls into a Bachelor in
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Paradise is Piper defends herself after Brendon drama it's a
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: TV show. She said, well, I don't know if I
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: can fully agree with that, Ashley, what do you say? Okay,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: they're kind of like two headlines here, We're gonna build
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: into one because yes, first, Piper took to Instagram to
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: say a gentle reminder that reality TV isn't real. That
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: is a blanket statement that really often does not apply
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: to the Bachelor franchise because whenever anybody asked me, is
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it real, I'm like, I think it is the realist
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: reality TV. There is out there as somebody who has
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: been um apart behind the scenes of multiple reality shows.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: It's just my life has been drastic each like my
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: heart has been broken, my heart has been mended. I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: have like, yes, I don't know what about it. That's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: not real. There's moments that feel manipulated or like set up,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: but like, as far as realness goes, and I'm not
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: under contract, like I can't. I can't imagine a reality
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: show being anymore real. There's a baby in my belly
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: because of the show. She continues to say, an edited,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: produced and cut down show isn't going to give you
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: every single thing said and done, and an edited and
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: produced show can't show you conversations that happened before filming
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: between friends. I totally understand where she comes from when
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: she says that, yes, have I been frustrated with the
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: edit before? Uh huh, because there's been things omitted. But
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the things that people are angry about, as far as
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: like Brendan and Piper go so much to that is
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: like what they verbatim said on camera, and you can't
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: take that back. You can't say that you didn't say that,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: because we know you said that, and you can't tell
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: us that there was a context missing from some of
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: those conversations. Anyway, it just doesn't feel, like I said earlier,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: like you can you can say you can blame it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: on editing, and at times that's a worthy excuse, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: it's not a holistic it doesn't it doesn't fulfill everything. Um.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: But when you say, just to reminder reality to like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor isn't real, Like that's just not true, Like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it's not like you can't like none of these people
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: are actors. You can't fake tears, you can't fake heartbreak,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: you can't fake a baby in a belly, Like this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: is real stuff. Yeah and okay. So then she continues
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: to further dig herself a hole. In the next headline,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: which is from her appearance at New York Fashion Weeks,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: She's at a pretty little thing show and she says this,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. It happened. I honestly try
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: not to live with any regrets. I don't think I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: have any regrets. What happened happened, and I'll deal with
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: whatever happens next. Um, she said. I was shocked to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: see everyone there, including him, Brendan, including every relationship that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: was happening, as new as it was to the viewers,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: was as new as it was to me. Beforehand, Brendan
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: and I obviously had been talking that it wasn't a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: serious relationship, as we both said on the show. We
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: didn't have a plan. I have so much going on
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't have put that plan together. But obviously
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I liked him and I was excited to see him there.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: But that was the extent to it. I mean, that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: was not the extent to it you had, she said.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: She said, I had no idea he was going to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: be there. But yet she said, but she did him
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: the day before he left. Yeah, Like I don't know
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: what she's trying to do. Like you said, like if
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: they just admitted, like, hey they made a mistake, or hey,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: this is what their plan was, then it's all good.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: But like you saw him the day he left, Like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you you knew he was getting on a to Paradise.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You knew you were going to Paradise. You were shown
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: talking to him about like coming there, and when you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: talk to him, your plan like and also the excuse
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: of I had so much going on, I couldn't have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: come up with a plan, Like, actually, you're one of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the busiest people I know, and you have a baby
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: in your belly, Like you still have a plan, Like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you can still talk to somebody and be like, this
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do tomorrow. You guys weren't creating
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Mission Impossible. It was you were in tom cruise on
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: a mission. I'm pretty sure it was a plan that
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: could have honestly been devised in the time of the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: phone Callege. I just think this is like there at
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: this point though, it's probably not even a story anymore.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Right like next week when I'm gonna be talking about it.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I just think they like there's a way out of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: this for them, that was like respectful to all parties involved,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: that that like spoke some truth. I think at this
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: point it just goes away. I think, like, I just
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: think it's the wrong way to handle controversy is to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: one blame everybody else and then too to come up
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: with excuses that just don't fit the narrative that we've
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: seen you telling. And that's where everybody's getting frustrated, and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: that's why everybody's you know, kind of falling off and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: not following. But um, again, they're at a paradise, so
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: we probably won't be talking about it much. Um, but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: this is another big headline Bachelor Paradise is. Chris Conrad
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: addresses his controversial exit, apologizes for blatant disrespect for just Sina.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So a different take, a different way to and he
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: apologized to Jacina. Yeah, this is a totally different, far
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: more respectable take, he says, finally watched the episode, and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like there are a few things I need
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: to be said first and foremost, I'd take complete accountability
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: for my blatant disrespect towards Jasena and handling the situation
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: poorly after getting home from filming. Um, he did say.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: He says that he contacted Jasenia privately to apologize, and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: he said that now I would like to reiterate my
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: sincerious apology, my sincious apologies to her. Now, my past
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: behavior is not a reflection of who I am or
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: who I want to be. It was never my intention
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: intention to maliciously or purposefully hurt anyone on the show. Um,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I've been doing the work privately to work through my
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: relationship and communication skills. I'm an awful communicator and I
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: need it. I'm an extremely non confrontational person and it's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: something that needed to be fixed, and I'm glad it's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: been brought to light. Yes, so a different kind of apology,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: different way to go about it, and I think kudos
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to him for owning up to some of this and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: then hopefully now there's some healing that can be done. Well,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: that's all the headlines we have for this week. Actually, UM,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: we're looking forward to next week. I feel like the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: controversy maybe kind of behind us a little bit, but
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: we've seen the teaser that's maybe not so we'll be
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on edge about it um. But for this week, I've
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: been been. I've been Ashley. Thanks for joining us. A
• 1:04:53
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