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Teen Breakup Ends in Murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why is the little teen
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Speaker 1: girl murdered in her own home? The investigation into her
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Speaker 1: homicide leads us into unchartered territory. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series sext one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS.
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Speaker 2: Flowers, stuffed animals, candles, and a birthday balloon surrounded the
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Speaker 2: window of fifteen year old at Lily Silvolopitz, who was
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Speaker 2: murdered in her home June sixteenth.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's peaceful, but we've had crime and stuff,
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Speaker 3: but nothing like this.
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Speaker 2: Neighbors in the area, like Cardona's, are still in shock.
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Speaker 4: So I saw the neighbor of the tow truck and
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Speaker 4: I stopped.
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Speaker 3: I said, what's going on? He goes over. The police
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Speaker 3: are looking for you to get camera.
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Speaker 5: You're from your footage.
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Speaker 6: I said, why, he goes someone got killed.
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Speaker 1: Someone got killed. That's one way of putting it. A
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Speaker 1: beautiful little girl, Lily, a teen in her own home
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Speaker 1: her family home, is murdered. At the time. Her little
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Speaker 1: brother was home as well. Who would murder a little girl,
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Speaker 1: terrifying her little brother take a lifting two.
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Speaker 2: More Cardonis Hill CBS Colorado. Her camera caught the defendant
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Speaker 2: running down the blank path into the home. That's where
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Speaker 2: he forced himself into the young girl's home through her window.
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Speaker 2: According to the affidavit obtained by CBS Colorado, it.
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Speaker 3: Just scares me to death.
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Speaker 1: Just nine three thirty in the afternoon, you ran.
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Speaker 3: Right by and not knowing that he was going with
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Speaker 3: that intention.
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Speaker 7: That's what's scared me.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now regarding the murder of teen
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Speaker 1: girl Lily Joining me right now, California prosecutor, author of
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Speaker 1: Why Bad Looks Good and of Red Flags, the host
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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy and Casey BQ. Wendy Patrick, Wendy,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Statistically, this is very
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Speaker 1: unusual for a crime of this violent nature to occur
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Speaker 1: at three point thirty in broad daylight in a residential
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Speaker 1: community with a very low crime rate. Very unusual, statistically, Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Very unusual statistically. You know, that's what makes it terrifying
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Speaker 8: when you hear a report of a crime taking place
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Speaker 8: in the middle of the day in someone's home. I mean,
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Speaker 8: it's one of those things that everybody is talking right away,
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Speaker 8: because it strikes fear into a neighborhood to have something
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Speaker 8: happen like that when you would never expect it to
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Speaker 8: take place.
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Speaker 1: Also, I find it very unusual Wendy Patrick the part
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Speaker 1: was saying, winding through the neighborhood on a bicycle, then
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Speaker 1: goes up to this home where Lily is inside in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon on a summer afternoon, she's out of school,
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Speaker 1: and picks her to murder. That's very unusual. That suggests
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Speaker 1: that the parp knows her.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one of the first things you look at
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Speaker 8: when you have something like this is we start inward
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Speaker 8: with someone that's closest to the victim, and then you
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Speaker 8: work outwards. But when you look at somebody that's brazen
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Speaker 8: and bold enough to approach the home in broad daylight,
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Speaker 8: that adds to the community fear. It's not something somebody
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Speaker 8: that took advantage of the cover of night or darkness.
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Speaker 8: Someone that's bold or brazen enough to do it right
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Speaker 8: in the middle of the day is very dangerous. So
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Speaker 8: you've got an entire community immediately that would hear about
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Speaker 8: a report like this and be in fear for their
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Speaker 8: own safety.
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Speaker 1: As well, and as you hear a neighbor thinking, I
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Speaker 1: had no idea that this guy that I see going
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Speaker 1: by on a bicycle was here to commit a murder,
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Speaker 1: and he just went by my house. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: taking a look at Lily right now. It's a photograph
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Speaker 1: of her. She's got a cute little jean jacket. She's
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Speaker 1: standing out it looks like a park or some type
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Speaker 1: of nature preserve, and she's just precious looking back at
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Speaker 1: the camera over her shoulder. And I think about this
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Speaker 1: little girl, her whole life before her, and there she
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Speaker 1: is at home, in her parents home with her little brother,
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Speaker 1: minding her own business, when an assailant approaches, winding through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood on a bicycle. Who knew this guy was
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Speaker 1: carrying a gun? With me a name you know well
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Speaker 1: by now, Jen Smith, investigative chief reporter for dailymail dot Com,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about this area? I know it's really Colorado. And
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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at this photo of her, it looks
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Speaker 1: like she's standing by some aspen trees, which is famously
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Speaker 1: connected to Colorado. Go ahead, dear, that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean this is a kind of quiet, residential
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Speaker 9: neighborhood like you described already, not the kind of place
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Speaker 9: that you would expect this brutal crime to take place,
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Speaker 9: and certainly not in the middle of the afternoon in summer.
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Speaker 7: So g really.
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Speaker 9: Colorado, very kind of family oriented. We know that Lily's
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Speaker 9: home was a quaint home. She knew her neighbors. It
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Speaker 9: was not the type of place that she or her
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Speaker 9: little brother might anticipate that there could be any danger whatsoever.
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Speaker 9: Like you describe this beautiful photograph of her, She's posing
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Speaker 9: next to some trees. This is, you know, Colorado, living
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Speaker 9: happy families, that type of neighborhood. This is what we're
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Speaker 9: talking about.
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Speaker 1: So when there have been times that I've had to
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Speaker 1: leave the twins, when I had to rush out for
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Speaker 1: some reason or the other, and we lock all the
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Speaker 1: doors and we turn on the alarm, but in the
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Speaker 1: back of my head, I think they'll be fine. You know,
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Speaker 1: they're the same age as Lily, the exact same age.
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Speaker 1: She had just turned fifteenth, And I cannot even imagine
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Speaker 1: what these parents must be going through, thinking, oh, it's summertime,
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Speaker 1: she'll be fine. She's at home with the little brother.
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Speaker 1: How are they to anticipate some freak driving through the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood on a bike, picked their home and their daughter
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Speaker 1: to shoot dead. Joining me right now is Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: now private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer with the
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Speaker 1: US Department of Justice DEA and the Miami Field Division,
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Speaker 1: former homicide agent, and you can find him at Crispininvestigations
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Speaker 1: dot com. Why is three point thirty in the afternoon,
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Speaker 1: in the summertime, everybody's out for school, out from school.
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Speaker 1: Why is that statistically such an unusual time for a
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Speaker 1: crime to go down, especially a violent crime, crime of
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Speaker 1: this nature.
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Speaker 7: Well, a number of reasons. The biggest one is you're
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Speaker 7: in broad daylight, and there's so much that can can
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Speaker 7: happen where people are going to see you. Cameras will
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Speaker 7: catch you, people will be eyewitnesses, just so much going on.
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Speaker 7: You're not under the cover of darkness.
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Speaker 1: You know, Statistically, when murders go down, if they're stranger
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Speaker 1: on stranger as disappears to be, it is not in
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Speaker 1: broad daylight. It's in the cover of darkness. It's breaking
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Speaker 1: and entering. He goes on and on, statistically that this
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Speaker 1: won't happen, but it did, and wouldn't you agree, Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you live down the street from
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Speaker 1: the country club or you live in inner city. Crime
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Speaker 1: will find a way to get into your neighborhood.
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Speaker 7: Oh, it will find you, especially if someone wants to
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Speaker 7: find you, or someone wants to do something specific, they're
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Speaker 7: coming for you. It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people think that they're insulated because they live like
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Speaker 1: and this was a quiet residential area in Colorado. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking again this photo of Lily. For
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Speaker 1: all I know, that's not too far from her home.
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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's rural, it's you know, let's go to
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Speaker 1: Jen Myth from Daily mil on this. This occurred in Grellly, Colorado.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about really, Colorado.
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Speaker 9: It's kind of one of these American times that you
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Speaker 9: could have it in many any state, Nanci. This is
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Speaker 9: family living. This is pretty small area where Lily was
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Speaker 9: living in peace. She was a popular girl. We know
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Speaker 9: from her obituary that she liked to spend her time
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Speaker 9: doing things like playing with makeup, and she had a
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Speaker 9: really happy upbringing in Greeley, Colorado.
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Speaker 1: You know, the population there for the entire area is
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand. I mean that's pretty small because it's
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Speaker 1: a very big county, and I'm wondering how rural it
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Speaker 1: was where she was killed. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the death of a beautiful fifteen year
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Speaker 1: old little girl. What happened? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox thirty.
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Speaker 10: One Record show. Silva Lopez was shot in a hallway
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Speaker 10: and then dragged back into her room, then ran away
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Speaker 10: while the victim's thirteen year old brother pleaded for his
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Speaker 10: life and then ran to Antoine hit Martinez for help.
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Speaker 10: She called nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: Joining us right now. Famed medical examiner out of the
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Speaker 1: state of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, also lecturer University Florida
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Speaker 1: Medical School Forensic Medicine and the founder and host of
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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher eight
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Speaker 1: gunshots that we know of for one victim. That's a lot.
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Speaker 1: What does that.
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Speaker 11: Tell you, Well, it is quite a lot, Nancy. You
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Speaker 11: generally we don't see that many gunshot wounds in somebody
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Speaker 11: unless they are a targeted victim, or unless this is
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Speaker 11: a person sending a message to another individual or another
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Speaker 11: or another organization, for instance, gang on gang shooting, see
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Speaker 11: this in drug related shootings. You know, so this is
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Speaker 11: somebody who is very angry and very focused on making
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Speaker 11: sure that their target, their person who they are assaulting
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Speaker 11: is does not survive, that they are deceased at the
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Speaker 11: end of the altercation, and that they are very focused
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Speaker 11: on letting this happen.
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Speaker 1: Now, I want to go to Jen Smith, joining us
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Speaker 1: in chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. You know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher mentioned that he's seen shootings like this in
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Speaker 1: drug cases. But this little girl has no history, no
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Speaker 1: juvenile history, no history of unruly with what you call
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Speaker 1: a child under the law when they don't come in
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Speaker 1: on time, when they argue with their parents. This little girl,
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Speaker 1: by all accounts, was nothing like that at all. There's
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Speaker 1: no way this little girl was involved in any way
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Speaker 1: with nefarious behavior, including drug activity.
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Speaker 9: Now, no, absolutely not. You're absolutely right, Nancy, She had
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Speaker 9: nothing to do with anything like that. She was no,
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Speaker 9: by no stretch of the imagination, with Lilia, a juvenile,
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Speaker 9: delinquent or anything.
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Speaker 12: Of the sort.
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Speaker 9: She was not in trouble with the law, She was
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Speaker 9: not in trouble with her school. She was never even
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Speaker 9: in trouble with her parents. As far as we know
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Speaker 9: of she this is a good kid who was going
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Speaker 9: about her life. She was going about her day in
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Speaker 9: her home, looking after her little brother. Nothing to predict
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Speaker 9: this sort of violence was coming for her.
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Speaker 1: This little girl minding her own business. Ge Jen Smith
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Speaker 1: again joining us from Daily Mail. Where was she in
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Speaker 1: the home when she was murdered?
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Speaker 9: Well, we know that she was initially in the hallway.
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Speaker 9: She actually, we now know, tried to and did potentially
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Speaker 9: save her brother's life. You know, she she cried out
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Speaker 9: telling him to run when she saw the assailant coming
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Speaker 9: for her. She was shot initially in the hallway, and
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Speaker 9: then her body was dragged by her murderer through the
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Speaker 9: house into her bedroom.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a little dar Friends at KMGH.
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Speaker 13: Neighbors in this quiet Greely neighborhood could not believe what
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Speaker 13: they were hearing.
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Speaker 3: Just huge popping noise. You know, you kind of hear
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Speaker 3: the fireworks and they kind of echo. These didn't They
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Speaker 3: just popped. They were loud, and you know, there were
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Speaker 3: so many at once. You couldn't even like, I don't
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Speaker 3: know if you would just like stop to count, but
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Speaker 3: there was just so many.
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Speaker 13: Dolores Winmeyer, grabbed her own daughter and ran to the
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Speaker 13: back of her home. A few doors down, fifteen year
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Speaker 13: old Lily Silva Lopez was shot and killed.
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Speaker 3: Being so young, taking your taking her life so young,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's scary to know that that's happening.
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Speaker 1: When you don't know where to start investigation, you start
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Speaker 1: with your victim. Who is Lily? Take a little dur
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Speaker 1: friends a crime one line dot com.
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Speaker 14: Lily Silva Lopez born and raised in Greeley, Colorado. At fifteen,
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Speaker 14: She's just finished her sophomore year at Northridge High School.
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Speaker 14: She's about to turn sixteen and is excited about learning
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Speaker 14: to drive. She loves working her after school job at Wingshack,
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Speaker 14: and like most teen girls, Lily Silver Lopez enjoy shopping, clothes, makeup, dancing,
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Speaker 14: and she loves to eat her favorite food, enchiladas. Her
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Speaker 14: family and friends say she loves animals and is loving
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Speaker 14: and caring to all.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a typical teen girl in the US.
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Speaker 1: She loves shopping, clothes, makeup, dancing, She loves enchiladas, She
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Speaker 1: has great grades. She loves the little brother. But we
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Speaker 1: learn about a cloud on the horizon in Lily's life.
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Speaker 14: Lily Silva Lopez is trying to break up with her
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Speaker 14: boyfriend of six months, but Giovanni Cirio Cardona is not
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Speaker 14: ready to give up the relationship. When Silvia Lopez breaks
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Speaker 14: up with him, he responds by threatening her with a gun.
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Speaker 14: He puts the gun barrel in her mouth and tells
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Speaker 14: her that they are not breaking up and she needs
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Speaker 14: to tell him I love you. Not wanting to scare
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Speaker 14: her mother, Lily Silvia Lopez confides in a cousin about
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Speaker 14: the threats. The cousin tells Sylvia Lopez mother what's going on.
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Speaker 14: Greeley police respond to a domestic violence complaint when Lily
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Speaker 14: Silvia Lopez tells police Sirio Cardona has punched her in
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Speaker 14: the face and hurt her arm.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Shannon Henry President, founder of SASS
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Speaker 1: Surviving Assault Standing Strong. It is a global nonprofit with
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Speaker 1: the mission to eradicate violence on women. Shannon is also
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Speaker 1: with the Department of Education as an adjunct professor University
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Speaker 1: of South Carolina. Shannon, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Domestic violence with a fifteen year old little girl.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's unfortunately something that we're seeing at a higher
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Speaker 6: rate these days. As a matter of fact, for you know,
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Speaker 6: this age, it's such a high rate of interpersonal violence,
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Speaker 6: and it's three times the national average in this.
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Speaker 1: Age bracket, three times the national average with teen girls.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, according to the US Department of Justice. And it's
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Speaker 6: just something that we're seeing increase with intensity and frequency
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Speaker 6: and something that obviously needs to be stopped.
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Speaker 1: Back to Chief Invenciata, reporter with dailymail dot Com, Jens
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Speaker 1: the myth, Jen, could you describe these prior incidents where
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Speaker 1: Lily's teen boyfriend beat her and on another occasion when
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Speaker 1: she tried to break up put a gun in her mouth.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so, around a month before she died, she tried
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Speaker 9: to break up with the boyfriend, Giovannie, and like you said,
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Speaker 9: rather than accept what she was saying, he not only
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Speaker 9: threatened her, which would have been terrifying enough, but he
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Speaker 9: to really drives the point home, put the barrel of
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Speaker 9: his gun in her mouth. We don't know specifically what
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Speaker 9: happened after that, Nancy, but clearly she was living in
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Speaker 9: fear of this guy and she couldn't get away from him.
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Speaker 9: And then there's the incident where he punches her in
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Speaker 9: the face and she's calling nine one one, and her
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Speaker 9: mother was involved in this one as well. She was
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Speaker 9: clearly trying to do the right thing an alert law enforcement,
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Speaker 9: but sadly not enough was done to protect her from him.
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Speaker 1: So, guys, it's not the first time. As we were
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Speaker 1: hearing from Shannon Henry with sass that teen romance puppy love,
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Speaker 1: so many people call it ends in murder. It's very
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Speaker 1: hard to get your head wrapped around teen domestic violent
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Speaker 1: as young as fourteen to fifteen years old. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirteen our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 15: Three days before his sixteenth birthday, Martise Fuller may be
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Speaker 15: in custody for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 16: Circumstances in this case would literally chill anyone who makes
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Speaker 16: any real attempt to keep their family safe.
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Speaker 15: The prosecutor says Fuller snuck into the bedroom of his
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Speaker 15: ex girlfriend, sixteen year old Kylie Jugah Thursday, shooting her
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Speaker 15: four times in the chest and once in the head,
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Speaker 15: killing her. He's then accused of shooting her mom, Stephanie,
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Speaker 15: twice in the chest. Surveillance video shows first responders with
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Speaker 15: one of the victims. The prosecutor says the shooting followed
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Speaker 15: quote a conflict on social media, and Fuller was recently
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Speaker 15: kicked out of school for stalking Kylie at school and work.
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Speaker 1: That's not in the half of it. Take a look
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Speaker 1: at a more in our cut fourteen.
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Speaker 16: Parents have described on multiple occasions the defendant driving by
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Speaker 16: their home at all hours. They've expressed this concern to
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Speaker 16: a number of people that they were concerned about the
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Speaker 16: safety of their daughters.
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Speaker 15: So the Court Commissionery set bail at one million dollars.
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Speaker 15: Fuller hung his head most of the hearing and for
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Speaker 15: a time appeared to be crying. Asked if he understood
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Speaker 15: the proceedings, Fuller spoke quietly, Do you understand.
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Speaker 11: All of the conditions of bond, including the cash bond
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Speaker 11: amount that I said in your case?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 14: Is that?
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Speaker 6: Yes? Yes?
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Speaker 5: All right, thank you.
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Speaker 15: Fuller will remain in juvenile attention for now, assuming he
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Speaker 15: doesn't post a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin, joining US former Federal Task Force for
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Speaker 1: US DOJ Department of Justice, Robert, when you hear about
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Speaker 1: eighteen murdering the little girlfriend, we think of it as popular,
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Speaker 1: but it's anything but. You know, when I had my
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Speaker 1: first in our district attorney's office, you had a rotation.
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Speaker 1: First you went to grand jury to learn how to
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Speaker 1: identify crimes and draw up in diamonds and present to
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Speaker 1: grand juries. Then we would go to juvenile where you
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Speaker 1: prosecute GV crimes because there's not a jury, there's basically
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Speaker 1: no rules of evidence. But what I learned then we
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Speaker 1: call them baby felons, is that sometimes they're more frightening
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Speaker 1: than adult felons because they are not fully formed. They're like,
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Speaker 1: let me think, like a baby t rex. It has
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Speaker 1: no idea what it's doing. So these junior baby felas,
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Speaker 1: they don't get the consequences of their acts. But they
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Speaker 1: commit heinous adult crimes murder, rape, asotomy, artson agasalt armed robbery,
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Speaker 1: you name it.
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Speaker 7: And they do. And in this particular case, with the
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Speaker 7: amount of gunshots and the rapid succession of firing at
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Speaker 7: the victim is just a lashing out behavior from the
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Speaker 7: defendant to the victim to make sure she's dead and
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Speaker 7: to continue by following up to shoot the mother. They
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Speaker 7: they don't understand the consequences, and sadly, one part of
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Speaker 7: all this is when we talked about the statistics rising
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Speaker 7: in juveniles, is a lot of these victims are so
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Speaker 7: young that they really don't report this to their parents.
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Speaker 7: They really don't report it to the police. A lot
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Speaker 7: of them do keep it down. Now, this one was
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Speaker 7: reported and clearly there's a breakdown, but that's for another day,
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Speaker 7: another conversation in protecting this girl. But statistically, and I
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Speaker 7: think your other guests will be able to back this up.
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Speaker 7: Juveniles at that age they kind of keep all this
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Speaker 7: stuff to themselves, or they keep it between their friends,
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Speaker 7: and they just don't bring it to the parents. That's
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Speaker 7: a problem.
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Speaker 1: Well, they may not understand that they should, They may
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Speaker 1: not understand that they are actually domestic assault victims. Joining
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Speaker 1: me doctor Sherry Schwartz for physics psychologists. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Panthermitigation dot com. She specializes in capital mitigation
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Speaker 1: and victims advocacy. Doctor Sherry, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Why do we call it pupul love.
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Speaker 12: Well, because we think of kids at this stage of
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Speaker 12: their life as so innocent and that you know, this
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Speaker 12: is their first experience with love and what can go wrong.
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Speaker 12: And the reality is we know from various outlets, credible
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Speaker 12: outlets like the Centers for Disease Control that team dating
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Speaker 12: violence is shockingly common and that we're not having conversations
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Speaker 12: with kids about it because as adults we think of
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Speaker 12: it as this innocent personal love and that it's a
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Speaker 12: learning experience that's relatively benign. But in this case, we
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Speaker 12: know it's anything.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I also wonder why we as a
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Speaker 1: society don't take these relationships as seriously as we do
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Speaker 1: adult relationships, because, according to DAJA, one in twelve little
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Speaker 1: girls teen girls report having been abused. And these are
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Speaker 1: victims that don't even know about calling a domestic assault
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Speaker 1: line or calling the bat or Women's line or any
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Speaker 1: type of violence hotline, and yet we're still getting a
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Speaker 1: huge number of reports of domestic assaults. I don't think
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Speaker 1: they understand that they are victims of domestic assault.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, this is Wendy. I have thought long and hard
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Speaker 8: about that over the years, also having worked in the
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Speaker 8: juvenile division. You know, we know domestic violence is the
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Speaker 8: invisible epidemic, but the word domestic implies some kind of
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Speaker 8: a marriage or cohabitation, sharing children together, i e. Adult relationships.
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Speaker 8: And you know, sometimes it's the case that teenagers really
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Speaker 8: don't see themselves as sitting within that paradigm. They may
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Speaker 8: hear the reports on the news, but don't think that
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Speaker 8: they themselves are experiencing something that's criminal, and perhaps it's
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Speaker 8: even more severely underreported than with adults. That's at least
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Speaker 8: a theory over the years that may account for the
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Speaker 8: lack of reporting or the very delayed reporting, or as
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Speaker 8: in this case, reporting to somebody other than the police.
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Speaker 1: What's I'm just thinking through what has happened with Lily.
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Speaker 1: There's so many other cases that we have covered where
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Speaker 1: teen boys go berserk after a breakup or during the
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Speaker 1: relationship and murder the little girl. For instance, there's Emma
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut fifteen our friends at
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Speaker 1: ABC this morning.
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Speaker 5: Eighteen year old Riley Gall sits in a Tennessee jail,
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Speaker 5: charged with killing sixteen year old Emma Jane Walker, just
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Speaker 5: weeks after their breakup. According to police, in the early
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Speaker 5: morning hours Monday, a shot fired by Gall into Walker's
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Speaker 5: bedroom from outside her Tennessee home killed her in her sleep.
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Speaker 5: Police arresting Gall Tuesday night on charges of first degree murder,
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Speaker 5: holding him on seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond
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Speaker 5: after having him under surveillance, saying he was preparing to
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Speaker 5: destroy evidence related to the homicide guys.
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Speaker 1: Another sixteen year old girl dead as a result of
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Speaker 1: domestic violence. You know, another issue, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure that parents take the so call infatuation or
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Speaker 1: puppy love experienced seriously both. Do they often ever find
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Speaker 1: out their daughters are being threatened? Why don't the girls
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Speaker 1: tell their families?
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Speaker 12: Well, that's a great question. In following up on what
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Speaker 12: Wendy said earlier too, it really has to do with
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Speaker 12: even with adult victims of intimate partner violence, there's a
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Speaker 12: level of shame and also a level of guilt that
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Speaker 12: somehow maybe they're responsible for the violence that's happening to them.
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Speaker 12: This is magnified for teens. Teens who are guided very,
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Speaker 12: very heavily by impression management.
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Speaker 11: Right.
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Speaker 12: They don't want their friends to know. They certainly don't
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Speaker 12: want their families to know. Teenagers tend to talk more
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Speaker 12: to other teenagers than they will to their own parents,
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Speaker 12: right because they think their parents won't understand. In this case,
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Speaker 12: there is an extreme level of shame at the victimization
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Speaker 12: and somehow feeling like, well, if I was better, then
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Speaker 12: this wouldn't be happening to me.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace Wendy Patrick, joining US California
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and author of Why Bad Looks Good and Red Flags.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.
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Speaker 8: Way In Wendy, you know, I agree with all that,
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Speaker 8: and I think that the shame is something that's magnified
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Speaker 8: in being an adolescent victim, because it's hard enough to
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Speaker 8: be an adolescent as it is. Add to that, now
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Speaker 8: you're suffering through a supposedly adult level of violence, at
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Speaker 8: least that might be what adolescents view it as, and
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Speaker 8: you're probably even more reluctant. And let me add to
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Speaker 8: that the reality that more adolescents may be armed. And
27:04
Speaker 8: if you if you have the let's just call it
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Speaker 8: the double threat of somebody being armed and angry, angry
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Speaker 8: over a breakup where emotions are high, well, then that
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Speaker 8: may be a circumstance that's absolutely particularly dangerous. And if
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Speaker 8: you have a young woman, a lovely young woman that
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Speaker 8: is not involved in drugs or you know, gang activity
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Speaker 8: or any kind of juvenile delinquency, you would that would
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Speaker 8: you'll only add to the reluctance to admit that you're
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Speaker 8: being abused by a boyfriend. Maybe your very first boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also within the teen dynamic amongst their friends. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? Are they afraid to Shannon Henry joining
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Speaker 1: US president of SASS, Surviving assault, standing Strong? Are they
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Speaker 1: afraid to tell their friends? Do they think somehow is
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Speaker 1: that embarrassing to them?
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, sure it can be embarrassing. Their
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Speaker 6: shame there skilled. But I think what we have to
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Speaker 6: remember too, is that all relationships start off the same.
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Speaker 6: The abuser builds trust within this child. We have to
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Speaker 6: invite them into our world. So they build this trust,
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Speaker 6: they're charming, which ps. Charming is a learned behavior in
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Speaker 6: order to get what you want. It's not something we're
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Speaker 6: born with. So the family, the victim, they're all fooled
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Speaker 6: into thinking that this is an incredible human being dating
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Speaker 6: their daughter. And then there's the evolution of the relationship
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Speaker 6: as it changes over time. It starts off with words
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Speaker 6: that are unkind. This is why I knew I shouldn't
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Speaker 6: date you. This is why I knew you weren't going
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Speaker 6: to be a good girlfriend. To then throwing the phone,
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Speaker 6: to then pinching and pushing, and eventually to punching.
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Speaker 9: And so we.
28:45
Speaker 6: Always see these behaviors and this power and control increase
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Speaker 6: with intensity and frequency over time, and so sure there's shame.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, the little thirteen year old brother
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Speaker 1: was also so close to losing his life. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut eleven our friends at.
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Speaker 2: CBS Silviolopa's search and year old brother had told her
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Speaker 2: that Cdio Cardona had broken into the home. He then
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Speaker 2: shot her several times before fleeing the scene. Police found
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Speaker 2: Silverlopas in the bedroom with several gunshot wounds where she died.
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Speaker 2: I Still kick Goose Bucks, I Still Get Goopa Core documentary.
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Speaker 2: The fifteen year old had been in a relationship with
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Speaker 2: the sixteen year old just for six months, and she
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Speaker 2: tried ending the relationship just four weeks before the shooting.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that, statistically, Shannon Henry, the moment that
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Speaker 1: a victim is most at risk is when she tries
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Speaker 1: to leave the relationship.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, those are the markers that we see once somebody
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Speaker 6: has projected that they want to leave or they've reported
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Speaker 6: that timing. Absolutely, we see an escalation because they can't
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Speaker 6: elicit control anymore. They understand that the victim is gaining control,
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Speaker 6: and so they have to impress more control upon them
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Speaker 6: and they find new ways.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Why do you believe that is that
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Speaker 1: when the female and it typically is a female, of course,
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Speaker 1: it can be reversed, but that's very rare that when
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Speaker 1: the female is trying to leave the abusive relationship, that
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Speaker 1: is when they're killed.
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Speaker 12: Well, what the research shows is that typically the male
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Speaker 12: partner who doesn't want them to leave, is going to
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Speaker 12: lose control because this type of relationship. A cornerstone of
30:36
Speaker 12: this and a key feature is power, manipulation and control.
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Speaker 12: And so if she successfully leads and separates herself from him,
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Speaker 12: he no longer has access to her, He no longer
30:48
Speaker 12: has control over her, and this heightens the level of
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Speaker 12: violence and the intensity of the violence.
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Speaker 1: Guys. As I mentioned earlier, joining us is renown medical
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Speaker 1: examiner doctor Tim Gallagher. You have conducted literally thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of autopsies, postmortems, been on thousands of chrome homicide scenes.
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Speaker 1: Would you be surprised to know, if you don't already,
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Speaker 1: that homicide is the third leading cause of death amongst teams.
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Speaker 11: Well, it certainly is, nancy, and we're seeing that more
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Speaker 11: and more. It is a said a said reflection on
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Speaker 11: the society the way it is now, It is not
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Speaker 11: unusual for me to come to work and have to
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Speaker 11: work on two three. You know, subadults or adolescents or
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Speaker 11: young people in their twenties, you know that suffered from
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Speaker 11: gun violence. You know, this is something that was not
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Speaker 11: very common even fifteen years ago, but certainly now you
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Speaker 11: know it is, and we're seeing it on a daily basis,
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Speaker 11: and we're seeing it increase in frequency. It's a very
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Speaker 11: sad reflection on the way society is going.
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Speaker 1: Well, I get what you're saying about gun violence, but
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Speaker 1: the number three cause of death amongst things is homicide.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it certainly does appear that way, Nancy. And you know,
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Speaker 11: typically accidents were the number one cause, but we're seeing
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Speaker 11: that a lot of these accidents now are intermingled, you know,
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Speaker 11: with gun violence as well. People who have road rage,
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Speaker 11: you know, cut somebody off, start shooting at them. That
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Speaker 11: person gets confused and crashes the car and dies from that.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 11: So there's a lot of accidents that are intermingled with
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Speaker 11: gun violence. There is homicide.
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Speaker 1: Homicide the number three cause of death amongst things homicide.
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Speaker 11: Right, So we're seeing homicides increase, We're seeing and we're
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Speaker 11: seeing that the reason why homicides increasing is because of
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Speaker 11: the gun violence, is because of the shooting, is because
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Speaker 11: of the increase in drug activity, increase in boldness. We're
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Speaker 11: seeing this influenced by social media. You know, people, young
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Speaker 11: people now who have arms, who have guns now show
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Speaker 11: them off on social media. It's a status symbol now,
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Speaker 11: and of course they're going to show them off, and
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Speaker 11: they also want to use them, and they use them
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Speaker 11: against each other. And that is the reason why a
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Speaker 11: lot of the gun violence increases, and we're seeing a
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Speaker 11: lot of that in our younger population.
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Speaker 1: I remember doctor Gallagher. I was so shocked when I learned,
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Speaker 1: and that was many years ago, because I was still
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Speaker 1: at hl Inn at CNN at the time, that the
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Speaker 1: number one cause of death of pregnant women is homicide.
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Speaker 1: And I was so I disbelieved it so much I
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Speaker 1: brought on as a guest the PhD, the doctor that
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Speaker 1: wrote the article, so she could explain this to me.
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Speaker 1: I could not believe the number one cause of death
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Speaker 1: amongst pregnant women is homicide. And today I'm learning an
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Speaker 1: equally shocking statistic that the number three cause of death
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Speaker 1: Jackie Sidney, where am I getting that stat The number
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Speaker 1: three cause of death amongst teens is homicide? Did you
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Speaker 1: say the CDC? Yes, wow, the number three cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Ely amongst teens is homicide the
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Speaker 1: third leading cause of death. And in this case, fifteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl Lily straight A's great cute, so sweet,
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Speaker 1: scrubbed in sunshine at home at her parents' home when
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Speaker 1: she is gotten down dead and the little thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old brother nearly died in the whole incident. Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight our friends at ca Hey,
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Speaker 1: USA nine.
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Speaker 4: A sixteen year old from Greeley is accused of shooting
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Speaker 4: and killing his fifteen year old ex girlfriend. Prosecutors and
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Speaker 4: Well County are charging Giovanno Cirio Cardona as an adult
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Speaker 4: and the death of Lily Silva Lopez. June sixteenth, Please say,
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Speaker 4: the victim's brother told a neighbor that Sirio Cardona broke
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Speaker 4: into their home, shot the victim, took the brother's phone
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Speaker 4: and ran off the They were called nine one one.
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Speaker 4: Police had been to the victim's home earlier in the
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Speaker 4: month and report that Serio Cardona had punched the victim
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Speaker 4: in the face.
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Speaker 10: This is a sad case of domestic violence among teenagers.
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Speaker 10: This sixteen year old suspect just one year older than
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Speaker 10: his girlfriend, and detectives saying that once before, when she
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Speaker 10: had tried to break up with him, he had struck
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Speaker 10: her in the mouth. This is the home where a
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Speaker 10: fifteen year old girl was killed after trying to break
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Speaker 10: up with her boyfriend. Detectives say the suspect shout out
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Speaker 10: a window, broke in the home and shot Lily Silva
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Speaker 10: Lopez several times.
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Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to take in there at
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Speaker 1: and you're hearing our friend Vincente Arenas at Fox thirty
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Speaker 1: one that this little girl is gone after a puppy
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Speaker 1: love breakup. Jen Smith joining US chief investigative reporter with
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Speaker 1: Dailymail dot Com. Jen, the parents, I'm sure believed they
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Speaker 1: had done everything they could. I mean, the little girl,
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Speaker 1: Lily told a cousin. The cousin would not agree to
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Speaker 1: keep it secret and told the parents. The parents, of
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Speaker 1: course called police. The police come out. We find out
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Speaker 1: that this teen boy, Giovanni Cardona, had hit her in
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Speaker 1: the mouth before, put a gun in her mouth, and
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Speaker 1: now this they call police. They sought protection didn't they,
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Speaker 1: Jen Smith?
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Speaker 9: They sure did, They absolutely did. And look, that's going
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Speaker 9: to be something that the police apartment down the lane,
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Speaker 9: they're going to have to answer to this. What more
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Speaker 9: could have possibly been done? Could this teenager have been
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Speaker 9: issued with a restraining order? Could he have even been
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Speaker 9: put in jail after he assaulted her so violently by
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Speaker 9: hitting her in the mouth. I mean, those are all
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Speaker 9: questions that have to be running through the minds of
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Speaker 9: these poor parents, Greef stricten parents. They will be beside themselves,
37:23
Speaker 9: but going from now, I think the next thing on
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Speaker 9: their agenda, Nancy has to be what's going to happen
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Speaker 9: to sign justice in this case with this teenager, this
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Speaker 9: boyfriend who they tried to protract their daughter from as
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Speaker 9: best they could. What will come of him? And we
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Speaker 9: know he's in jail, we know he's being held on
37:43
Speaker 9: a two million dollar bond. Colorado is not a death
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Speaker 9: penalty state, but this guy is going to be prosecuted
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Speaker 9: as an adult, so he's facing the rest of his
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Speaker 9: life in prison.
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Speaker 1: This little girl tried to get out of an abusive
37:58
Speaker 1: relationship with the team. The parents called police. They tried
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Speaker 1: everything they knew on a summer day, when this little
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Speaker 1: girl should have been having fun at home, out of school,
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Speaker 1: hanging out with her little brother. She's dead. Lily Silva Lopez,
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Speaker 1: fifteen years old. If you have information on this case,
38:29
Speaker 1: or you or someone you know is a victim of
38:33
Speaker 1: domestic violence, please call eight hundred and seven nine nine
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Speaker 1: seven two three three. I worked for nine years as
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Speaker 1: a volunteer at the Battery Women Center. Very rarely does
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Speaker 1: an abusive relationship get better, In fact, it gets worse.
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Speaker 1: Please speak to your teen girls.
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