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325. Self-Belief Is The Way: Dakotah Popehn Talks About Her New York City Marathon Journey, The Olympics & What She's Looking Forward To Next · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Heck, why can't I win the New York City Marathon?
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  Speaker 1: You know, why can't I metal at the Olympics or whatever?
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like just a big confidence swing for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't have any doubts in myself.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Emily Avadi? Here you are listening to
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  Speaker 2: episode three hundred and twenty five of Hurdle, a wellness
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  Speaker 2: focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people about everything
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  Speaker 2: from their highest highs and toughest moments to essential tips
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  Speaker 2: on how to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life.
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  Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My
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  Speaker 2: goal through these discussions is to empower you to better
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  Speaker 2: navigate yours and move with intention so that you can
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  Speaker 2: stride towards your own big potential and of course, have
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  Speaker 2: some fun along the way. I am elated to bring
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  Speaker 2: you my conversation today with Dakota Lynn Worm her new
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  Speaker 2: married name Dakota Payne. She actually got married last weekend
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  Speaker 2: and just yesterday ran the New York City Marathon. We
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  Speaker 2: had the opportunity to catch up while she was in
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  Speaker 2: New York, and I was so stoked to have it.
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  Speaker 2: She has been on the show before, I'm gonna link
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  Speaker 2: that episode in the show notes to talk about her
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  Speaker 2: best practice tips for new runners, but this is her
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  Speaker 2: dedicated episode. We get into all of the goodness, from
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  Speaker 2: how she got into running after a childhood stint playing hockey,
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  Speaker 2: the important person that motivated her to give running a try,
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  Speaker 2: and what the journey's been like as she's had her
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote running glow up. She talks to me about
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  Speaker 2: what it's like to be a big name in the
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  Speaker 2: sport now, how she was able to step away from
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  Speaker 2: her other job as a paralegal, and we also talk
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  Speaker 2: a lot about what her experience was like at the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: sharing the highs, the lows, and everything in between from
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  Speaker 2: one of the most special races of her life. She
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  Speaker 2: also shares all about her recent wedding, what it feels
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  Speaker 2: like to be a missus, and what I most appreciate
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  Speaker 2: about this conversation is Dakota's sense of self belief. She
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  Speaker 2: is so tenacious and so firm in her own potential,
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  Speaker 2: truly believing that there is no limit to what she
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  Speaker 2: can do, and so we dive into that. She gives
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  Speaker 2: me her insights as to how anyone can really be
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  Speaker 2: their own biggest type man and offers up the tools
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  Speaker 2: and the tricks that she uses when self doubt creeps in,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is a really important note right that
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  Speaker 2: each of us, no matter how much we believe in
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  Speaker 2: our own potential, we're all going to have intrusive thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: But it's how you react to those thoughts that makes
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  Speaker 2: all the difference, and that is something that we dive into.
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  Speaker 2: She also shares some really beautiful sentiments about how she's
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  Speaker 2: handled grief since the passing of her mom in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that there are going to be some smaller flowing
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  Speaker 2: waves that feel difficult and some big crashes, but she
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  Speaker 2: is equipped to handle all of it. A huge thank
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  Speaker 2: you to her sponsor at Puma for connecting us. I
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  Speaker 2: could not have been more grateful to be able to
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  Speaker 2: step into the most stunning studio at their office space.
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  Speaker 2: And it goes without saying that, no matter what happened
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  Speaker 2: yesterday at the marathon, another hurdle conquered, I can promise
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  Speaker 2: you a recap coming very shortly. With that, make sure
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  Speaker 2: you are following along with Hurdle over on the socials
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  Speaker 2: It's at Hurdle Podcast and over at Emily a body
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  Speaker 2: with that. Let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Dakota Pain otherwise previously known
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  Speaker 2: as formally known as It's like your rapper name, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: formerly known as Lynn Worm.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing today?
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  Speaker 1: I am good here in New York City. It's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty nice day out. It's so warm here.
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  Speaker 2: It's warm today, but thankfully it will not be warm
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday totally, which the weather for Sunday. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're close enough now that it's not like a jinx moment,
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  Speaker 2: like it's not going to change.
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  Speaker 3: It's really great marathon and weather.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of perfect. Honestly, I'm really excited for it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the last time I saw you, we were
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  Speaker 2: in Paris, very different also very different weather and a
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  Speaker 2: very different course. And I remember something that really stuck
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  Speaker 2: with me was that you said I want to go
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  Speaker 2: out and pull a Coal Hawker. So, for those that
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  Speaker 2: may not know, coal Hawker surged in his race in
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics out of nowhere, came in first. Now, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't win the gold in the Olympics, but I kind
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  Speaker 2: of would argue that a bit of you pulled a
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  Speaker 2: coal Hawker. Can you talk to us a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about your Olympic experience.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I am assuming you're talking about Oh by Versall,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of pulled a jah.
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  Speaker 2: You just you know, it's your racing was so impressive
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  Speaker 2: and watching you out there, everyone that was watching on
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  Speaker 2: their phones and the bars that I was at, they
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  Speaker 2: were all cheering and they were like, this woman is
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  Speaker 2: crushing it like you were crushing it out there, and
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  Speaker 2: to see you just so strong with all of these
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  Speaker 2: other runners and paving your own way, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not you platform and do this gold. You
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  Speaker 2: showed us something really stellar that day. Yeah, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I loved my Olympic experience, which I'm really grateful for
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  Speaker 1: because I know, you know, sometimes people go there to
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  Speaker 1: their first Olympic experience and they don't have the day
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  Speaker 1: they were hoping for. And of course I would have
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  Speaker 1: loved to be tenth or first or whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but I all in all loved the experience. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the first fifteen k was really hectic and crazy, and
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  Speaker 1: then I really lost contact with the leaders for I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe in a good five to ten k
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  Speaker 1: after that, when we were climbing like the really long
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  Speaker 1: gradual hill. But during the time I had lost them,
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  Speaker 1: and then I found Emily for a little bit, and
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  Speaker 1: then eventually.
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  Speaker 4: I caught back up.
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  Speaker 1: Because the way I race is very consistent, like whatever
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  Speaker 1: I'm running at mile one is probably what I'm running
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  Speaker 1: at mile twenty six.
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  Speaker 4: Like I like to just stay even keeled.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do the surging, I don't do the like
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  Speaker 1: progressive type racing, I guess, And I mean.
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  Speaker 4: The leaders were just ebbing and flowing. They were.
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  Speaker 1: At one point they went past me and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is this like the last four hundred meters? Like they
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  Speaker 1: were sprinting past me and it was crazy. So eventually
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  Speaker 1: caught back up to them out by Versailles, and when
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  Speaker 1: I took that turn, I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've watched the feed, I've went back in my memory.
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  Speaker 1: It literally feels like I took a short cut because
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  Speaker 1: Alson is like in a snap, I'm leading in like
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  Speaker 1: pretty aggressively. I'm not just like at the front of
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  Speaker 1: the pack. I've got like a gap on them. I
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  Speaker 1: literally looked left and right and I was like, where
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  Speaker 1: did everybody go? Like what just happened? But I was
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  Speaker 1: just running consistent and they were kind of doing that
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  Speaker 1: ebb and flow and fart like type racing, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it was. It was awesome and to you know,
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  Speaker 4: be top twelve is pretty pretty great. I'm all in all,
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy with it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, the farther I get away from it, the happier
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  Speaker 4: I am, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And that's understandable, that approach, right because right in the
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  Speaker 2: think of it, right after, there are so many feelings,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much processing to do totally. So to have
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  Speaker 2: this opportunity now to be a bit more removed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and look at the fact twelfth fastest marathon or of
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  Speaker 2: the best of the best, right, that's outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a great field too, So it's not like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I came to a low
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  Speaker 1: key race in place twelfth. It was a really awesome
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  Speaker 1: field and I'm really proud of how I put my
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  Speaker 1: nose in it.
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  Speaker 2: There is so much for us to talk about today,
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  Speaker 2: but I have to say and again like I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: here with chills because when I think about what you
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  Speaker 2: did in Paris, and then I think about New York
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  Speaker 2: and I think about the weather, I walked in today
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm about to sit down with
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  Speaker 2: the woman who could win the New York City Marathon.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel that way?
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  Speaker 4: I do. I'm gonna I'm getting chills now.
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  Speaker 1: It was like maybe a month ago, I had like
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  Speaker 1: a really good workout and I very humbly and almost
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  Speaker 1: embarrassingly said to Montana, my now husband, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think I could win, Like, I like,
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  Speaker 1: there's a chance. At New York. You just never know
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  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. It's anybody's day because it's so it's
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  Speaker 1: just typically race championship style, so you just don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: look at Chilean a few years ago and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. I've been having that feeling too,
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  Speaker 1: like you could win. So I just keep I have
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  Speaker 1: these moments where I'm like, it could be me?
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  Speaker 4: Why not me?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And I think that's my mentality always is.
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  Speaker 4: Like why not me? Why why can't it be me?
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  Speaker 1: Even if I'm not technically you know, ranked in number
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  Speaker 1: one or you know, I don't go into the trials
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  Speaker 1: be being a top dog.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I've always believed that I can still
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  Speaker 4: do crazy things.
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  Speaker 2: That concept of I've always believed I could do crazy
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  Speaker 2: things truly always. Or is this something that as you've
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  Speaker 2: progressed in your professional career you feel more confident saying
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  Speaker 2: I've got this, I can stand on my own two feet.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it's been I mean, my parents just
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  Speaker 1: really ingrained it in me. When I was young, I
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  Speaker 1: played hockey and they didn't have a women's professionally at
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  Speaker 1: that time. So growing up, if somebody asked me what
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do, I very sincerely would say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a professional hockey player. I'll play
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  Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Wild like I'll play with the men,
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  Speaker 1: like I've always had that, Like wait, why not me?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't I be the first girl to play hockey?
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  Speaker 4: Or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: How would you recommend or suggest that's someone else channel
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  Speaker 2: that really special level of self belief, because it's not
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  Speaker 2: easy for many people to stand on their two feet
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  Speaker 2: like that, to say I've got this, to say, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to dream really big and what's the worst that
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  Speaker 2: could happen?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: I think I'd love to say like, oh, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: so confident and I've got all this belief in myself.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing is being surrounded by
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  Speaker 1: people who are willing to put you on your two feet.
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  Speaker 1: Both my parents have always been so adamant that I
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  Speaker 1: could do anything, so like, I don't know, I just
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  Speaker 1: never knew Noah was an answer. And then just you know,
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  Speaker 1: my friends and now my husband there, they just believe
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  Speaker 1: I can do anything. So when I whisper these crazy dreams,
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  Speaker 1: they're like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that. My coach is another great example.
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  Speaker 1: So I think just surrounding yourself with the right people
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  Speaker 1: is like the first big step.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, surrounding yourself with the right people. You said her
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  Speaker 2: name before, Shelaine. Have you talked to her at all?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't, I mean, not about New York or anything,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I was sitting on my couch.
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  Speaker 1: I can still pitch her when she kind of took
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  Speaker 1: the last fourner meters and I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: an American's gonna win New York.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, this episode's coming out on Monday, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Slaine on Saturday tomorrow morning at
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  Speaker 2: the Expo at ten, so.
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  Speaker 4: We'll tell her.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Hi, I'm channeling now, I'm channeling my inner
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  Speaker 1: Shelaine perfect.
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  Speaker 3: We love it and you.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you also get to yell expletives as you
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  Speaker 2: cross as you cross the finish and maybe Puma will.
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  Speaker 3: Make a T shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You also said you're now husband, so before we continue
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  Speaker 2: so many other things, congrats, Yeah, thank you. I listened
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  Speaker 2: to your conversation with Lindsey and it was funny because
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  Speaker 2: you said to her, you know, I might whenever we
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  Speaker 2: get married, it won't be super big. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say we'll elope, but it will be kind of small.
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  Speaker 2: And then literally last weekend, Yes, you did the damn thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: tell us about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, once we got engaged, we did the you know,
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  Speaker 1: normal thing of like, okay, what are we going to do?
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  Speaker 1: We start looking at venues, we started putting together guest list,
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  Speaker 1: and we were both we looked at each other and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, it's overwhelming, it's too much. We both have
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  Speaker 1: huge families, big rand groups, where like this would be
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  Speaker 1: like a five hundred person wedding if we went and
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  Speaker 1: did it all and so, and that just isn't like
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  Speaker 1: meaningful for either of us.
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  Speaker 4: I guess like we would have a good time no
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  Speaker 4: matter what you do.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody enjoys their wedding, but we're both pretty introverted and
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  Speaker 1: hate the center of attention also, so we thought, let's
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  Speaker 1: just do something really special with just our most immediate family.
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  Speaker 1: And so we literally planned it all in a month.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say we, because I did have
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  Speaker 1: a wedding planner who that's what she does. She puts
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  Speaker 1: together like micro weddings or elopements.
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  Speaker 3: However, you want my micro weddings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a micro wedding.
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  Speaker 3: May got how trendy of you?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so trendy. And so she did it all. I
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  Speaker 4: just had to find a dress, which was super easy,
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  Speaker 4: and get my nails done.
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  Speaker 1: Those were the two. Those were my tasks and I
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  Speaker 1: could handle those before a marathon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say, now you had your
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  Speaker 2: wedding nails, or now your marathon nails.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I get my nails done before marathon anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, it's a two for one.
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  Speaker 1: I get to save a little you know, I get
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  Speaker 1: to say fifty bucks or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I get to save fifty bucks. I would be remiss
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  Speaker 2: if you mentioned money. So now I'm going to pivot
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  Speaker 2: us to the fact that you just stepped away from
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  Speaker 2: your job as a pairalegal.
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  Speaker 4: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Can you talk to us a little bit about how
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  Speaker 2: you first started working as a paralegal, because I think
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  Speaker 2: that's super interesting, and then we'll get into this this
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  Speaker 2: decision that you've made.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the owners of the law firm and it's Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: Cameron and Hips. Brooks is like the founder of the company,
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  Speaker 1: and he and his wife actually have supported our team,
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota Distance Deleete for a long time. They're both runners.
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  Speaker 1: They are big in the running community. And just through
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  Speaker 1: like happenstance, I got one of my teammates a job
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  Speaker 1: at the firm and he worked there for like six
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  Speaker 1: months and just really enjoyed it. And then this paralegal
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  Speaker 1: position came open and he was like, Dakota, you would
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  Speaker 1: actually be really good at this because you're very type
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  Speaker 1: A like I like to follow an agenda, I have
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  Speaker 1: a planner. I like to cross things off, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what a paralegal does is like keep other people on track.
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  Speaker 1: So I went in for the interview, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, this is gonna be a great
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  Speaker 1: job for me. In the Brooks Edward Brooks was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when you make the paras Olympics.
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  Speaker 4: And this was in like twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Back when I wasn't really like a big name, and
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  Speaker 1: I like, you know, I really wanted to believe I
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  Speaker 1: could make that team. But I laughed and I was
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, like I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: really have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I had a really great.
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  Speaker 1: Like two years with them, and then once I made
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  Speaker 1: the team, they were very gracious to say, like, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to take a leave of absence? And I
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  Speaker 1: did take that because it was it was hectic for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't have forty hours a week to put
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  Speaker 1: towards the job. So for a little bit, I worked
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  Speaker 1: like twenty hours and then I was just I was overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Paris knowing that I had
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  Speaker 1: done my very best to get there and like had
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  Speaker 1: given it my all in those.
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  Speaker 4: Last six months basically.
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  Speaker 1: And then when the Olympics went pretty good, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, it was time to like have
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  Speaker 1: the conversation about like when I would be coming back
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  Speaker 1: to work or if I would be coming back to work.
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  Speaker 1: I sat down with Montana and I, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: kind of made the pros and cons because I really
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  Speaker 1: did love my job. I loved having something outside of
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  Speaker 1: running that was like, you know, whether my workout goes
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  Speaker 1: really well or really bad. I got to get you know,
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  Speaker 1: I got to clock in and I've got to do
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  Speaker 1: this other thing to take my mind off of running.
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  Speaker 1: But we sat down and we're like, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: have forty hours in a week anymore to.
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  Speaker 4: Put towards a different job.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking care of my body a lot better than
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  Speaker 1: I ever had, which is nice.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I just I'm doing way more interviews, way
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  Speaker 4: more you know, podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff like this, which I really really enjoy and I
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  Speaker 1: want to be able to soak up this time. When
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  Speaker 1: I get to do this, I can always go back.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I we left on great terms, so I think I
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: could always take my position back if I ever wanted to.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: But for now, I'm living the pro runner.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Life, living the pro runner life.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: And I mean I do follow you on Strava, but
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I cannot recall in your peak weeks, like what kind
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: of mileage were you running? I was really one thirty okay,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: And then in the build up for New York. What
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: kind of what was it the kind of the same
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: or pretty similar.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I only got up to one thirty four one week,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: but I was like, I think like five one thirty,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: which was basically like me going from you know, like
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: no mileage back into it because we didn't have a
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: lot of time after the Olympics.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so to think about getting that time back, knowing
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: that time is literally our most valuable resource, right Yeah,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: So getting that time and then getting that forty hours
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: from the work back to your life because you need balance,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: right totally. I can't even imagine putting in the time
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: to run one hundred and thirty miles and then maintain
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: a full time job.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like when I look back, it's one of
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: those things you don't know how you're doing it, Like
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you're just when you're in the storm, you're just putting
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other and you're just
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: getting it done. But when I look back, I'm like how.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: And I was just so much more beat up after
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: the Olympics. I just spent a lot of time in
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: PTE Cairo acupuncture, So I just wouldn't have worked out,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: And when you say you were more beat up after
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. What did that look like for you?
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: So if you watch the Olympics, you'll recall there was
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like this insane downhill, insane like dangerously downhill is how
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I called it. And I I just in general have
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: some SI just dysfunction that I deal with generally. In
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: all that downhill just compounded into my ass side joint,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: so it was super locked up for a long time time.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we were just working on getting that mobile
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: again because that.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Baby was like stuck.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: She was she put all I put all my pressure
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: back there, so she was not happy, which then like
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: led to some Achilles issues, which I also deal with.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: But those things aren't normally something that like get super
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: aggravated after a marathon, but they were after Paris.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the discussion of a pro con list for
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: making the decision on what you wanted to do about
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Is that an approach you take in other areas of
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: your life?
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm I think I do pro con lists for everything.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Do I go to the grocery store today?
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: What are the pros?
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: What are the kind?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I feel like I'm pretty a logical thinker for.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Ueah, Yeah, and I mean, I remember I made a
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: pro con list when I was deciding to leave one
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: of my first jobs out of college. I was working
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: as a journalist and an editor for a digital property
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: where I was writing and editing content about a lot
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of different topics news, entertainment, health, et cetera. And then
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I was potentially shifting into a role as an editor
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: for a publication where it was just health and wellness.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: And I was so nervous, right, I was so nervous
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and thinking to myself, is it going to be boring?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Am I going to get tired of this? Am I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: limiting myself by sticking to one thing? Ultimately I made
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the choice to make the leap, and then look here
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: we are now.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: But the pro con list is a helpful tool.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It really is, because then you have it all laid
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: out and you can reference back to it. Because it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: not like I made that decision in an hour or anything.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It took me probably a week to really go back
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and forth, and I just kept looking back and just
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: trying to relate to what felt more important on that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: list the pros or the cons, and the cons of
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: leaving were really that I just I loved my job,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and that was you know, that was it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: It's not like I financially needed the job. It's not
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: like it. You know, it's important for my lifelong dream
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: of running. If anything, it's taking away from that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So I mean, it was only just me having to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: get over or the fact that I loved my coworkers
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and I love the position.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I appreciate you saying it wasn't like I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: needed the money. But what a job like that does
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: provide is a bit of stability totally.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, because I don't have I never had to
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: go into a.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Race and be like, okay, I have to place X,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: or like I said before, it was nice to be like, Okay,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I had a really bad workout this morning, but I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: got to jump on a call, you know, like and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it just it helps you flush away those you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: those bad workouts or even the good workouts sometimes so
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you don't get on like an ego high or whatever,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and it just creates.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know, normalcy in your life.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just takes away, like it just reminds you
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: running is not everything.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So now that you've removed that, what's the verdict, How
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: are you feeling so far?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Really good? I am happy with the decision. I never
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: could have.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: I just never could have done it well. I could have,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I would have. I just wouldn't be sitting here as
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: fit as I am.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I think it feels really good to be all in
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: on running, and I think what is super helpful for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: me is.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Having a home life that's pretty normal Montana.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: My husband is he runs with me, but he's not
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a runner, So like our conversations when I'm home.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Aren't revolved around that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: He'll ask all the workout went, We'll have those types
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of conversations, but I get so much more normalcy from
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: him because he's just like, I don't know, he's just
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a regular guy kind of thing, you know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: So I get that normalcy from him, for sure.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And I also really appreciate when you said the sentence
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: back when I wasn't a big name.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to simply ask what's changed since you've
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: become a big name, because I feel like that's kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of a generic question. Yeah, But more so I want
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: to ask, and what's changed about how you feel now
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that you have more eyes? You're really dedicating your entire
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: being to this sport. How do you feel now that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you are this quote unquote big name.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I feel so much more confident. I mean I've always
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: had that kind of like I can do anything attitude,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But I get on a starting line and be like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: look left and right and be like, oh maybe I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: belong a rollback here, you know, But now I feel like, heck,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: why can't I win the New York City Marathon? You know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: why can't I medal at the Olympics or whatever? So
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like just a big confidence swing for sure.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I almost I just don't have any doubts in myself.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm just sitting here again with the goosebumps thinking
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: about how inspiring that is. And I also feel as
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: though it's important to point out that you can feel
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: as though you don't have any doubts in yourself, but
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you can also experience anxiety or have a moment where
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, am I going to do this?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: What do you do to.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Combat those intrusive thoughts and let the positivity be the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: prevailing vibe.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm taking this from my coach one hundred percent.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I set an alarm for race day so it'll be
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like an hour before race day. I'm not allowed to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: have any negative thoughts, any anxiety. I'm not allowed to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: be nervous until that alarm goes off on race day.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: So when like last night, I was lying down and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, I'm running a marathon in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a couple of days, Like I'm a little anxious, I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you know, getting excited, and I'm like, oh, it's not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: time yet, Like it's not time to be nervous. It's
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: just time to you know, think about Okay, tomorrow, I've
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: got a podcast tomorrow, I've got to get dinner.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: With these people or whatever, you know.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just taking it one day at a time,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm just when those things come in my head
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and say, it's not time yet, it's not time to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: have those thoughts.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're setting a hard boundary for yourself, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: when you do that, you're less likely to reneg on
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the contract that you've made with yourself. All right, Yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you're like, this is how it is now. Yeah, Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: we don't do that. That's just not how it is.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: This is how we do it exactly. And it's so
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: empowering to hear that. And I also think really humanizing
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that you can admit like, but I also do have
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: these moments where I don't feel so shiny and so
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: confident and so sufially like I'm not.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a human for sure, you know.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And no matter what day of the week it is,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: twenty six point two miles is a long way. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: know what's going to be painful. I know it's going
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to be hard, but it's not time yet to worry
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you are a Minnesota girly running with the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Minnesota distance lead.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you bet you there she is.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: For those that aren't familiar with your experience running, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: do want to give a little bit more insight, especially
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: if they didn't listen to your previous episode, which I'm
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: going to link in the show notes. But I would
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: love to give a little bit more insight as to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: how you first got started with running after your fun
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: experience with hockey. Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I went to a small Division two school.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: It's called Northern State University. It's in the middle of Aberdeen,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: South Dakota.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: It was a walk on and just.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: After like a year or so, one of my teammates
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was having a lot of success and I was very
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say envious, because I like, I'm her,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: she's my best friend. But I was very much like, oh, Sasha,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I can do that. I want to be able to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: do that. So she kind of took me under her wing,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, we stayed late after practice doing cores
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and these extras, and I'd go on my easy runs
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: with her, and I tried to hang on to her
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: during workouts and she just really helped me get to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: another level where I was qualifying for national meets.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I still wasn't doing that great. I mean, it's Division.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Two, so it's not as competitive as Division one, but
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it's fairly competitive. But I wasn't getting like all Americans
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: or anything until my last year. And then when I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: was getting close to graduating or had just graduated, my
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: college coach was like, you know, like what's next with running?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Run a few five k's, ten k's and he's like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I think you could qualify for the Olympic trials in
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the marathon. And I was like, so this is like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: probably like twenty seventeen, and I was like, I don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: even know what that means. Like I to this day,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not what I would consider myself a running nerd.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I know what I have to know about other runners,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: but like I knew about like you know, like care Gouger,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Dus Linden and Shlaane.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I knew these women, but I didn't really realize there's.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Also kind of like the subset of women who are
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like sublite, who kind of do it part time and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: can still qualify for the Olympic Trials. I didn't even
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: know how you qualified for the Olympic Trials. I had
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: no idea what like a world championship was or any
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: of those things. So he I literally went into his
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: office the next day with a pen and paper and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: he said, tell me everything you need that I need
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to know how do I qualify for the Olympic Trials?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I probably spent an hour in there just drilling,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like getting all the information I needed. And he had
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a connection with Minnesota Distance Elite through an old teammate
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of his, and we reached out to the coach, Chris
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Lundstrom he's my coach today, and basically begged him.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: To take me on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I wasn't, like, you know, I wasn't a CHRISA. Schweitzer
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: coming out of college who like had all these opportunities
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: at Parker Velby. I was very much nobody, so I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: quote unquote like walked on to Minnesota Distance Aly. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: didn't get any of their like stipend or you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: medical help or anything. Basically, Coach Londo was just coaching
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: me and I could show up to practice, so, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: just over time, obviously, I proved myself a little better
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and better every year, and in twenty I don't know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I think I signed with them officially and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: became a part of the team.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It is so impressive to me that you had the.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Awareness to remove the ego and walk back in the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: next day with the patent paper.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: That is something that I believe a lot of individuals
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: struggle with when they think something or they have a
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: inkling that maybe I should try this, but there is
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: so much unknown and you have to get past that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: point where you're willing to say I don't know it
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: all and that's okay, yeah, right, because no one gets
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to the top of the mountaintop on their own, right, right.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And after that conversation, you know, you then had a
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: new coach with Chris, and you had a team that
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you worked with, and so many people, as you said before,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: have helped you on your way to make you the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: best that you can be. But it started with your
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: willingness to be like I don't know everything and that's okay.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it kind of goes back to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that earlier conversation of like my college coach just believed
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in me and said like, oh, I think you can
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: do this, which creates like that comfortable space to be like, okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: so tell me more about it. And like I said,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I literally knew nothing and I tried to google it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is so confusing. So just there
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: was just that comfortable space that I've walked in and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I felt okay to ask questions.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from the relationships that have been so helpful for you,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: what would you say the other pieces to the puzzle
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: are that have helped you really thrive. I would say
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: over the last few years within running, because we're in
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a very different place now than when you and I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: sat down before the Boston Marathon, which I think was
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in either twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: You might have been twenty one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty twenty one, yeah, yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: This is something that again I feel like my parents
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: ingrained in me, is I'm just a very hard worker.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Like no matter if I was doing a paralegal job.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: If I am, if I would have went out of
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: college and taught like my how I got a degree in,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I would be doing anything I could to like the very.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Best of my ability.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if if I'm vacuuming the house or
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: going out for a long run, Like, I want to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: do everything really well. And I don't know, I just
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have like a really a really strong work ethic that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I saw in both my parents my grandparents, and I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: think that combination of having a good support system and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: believing in myself plus being able to back it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Up with work helps.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm still sitting here and I'm like, Okay, you can
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: be a hard worker but still not be at the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: top of your sport, right, Like, you can try really hard,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: so there's got to be another level too. It's like that, yes, okay,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: we have ingredient one, ingredient two, but if you don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: put the yeast in the pizza dough, it's not going
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to be right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I think the yeast in the pizza dough is probably delusion.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been Daz you said at first,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But just being like stupid enough to believe in yourself
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is really like the biggest piece of the puzzle, because
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: if you have any doubts, if you at all are
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this might not work out, like it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: not gonna you know, this is a crazy sport where
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: only a few people get to the top.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, I think you have to just
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: kind of be de Lulu about it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I think when you're Delulu also, like the first time
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that you're Delulu and you see it pay off, you're like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: holy shit, why haven't I been approaching.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Everything this way?
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Totally?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And so I mean I feel the exact same way
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about this weekend, despite the fact that you and I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: will be running very different races. But you know, I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: came into a training cycle without any expectation, like literally
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: just excited for the opportunity to run twenty six point
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: two miles around my favorite place. Yeah, and then like
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: things just started working out in a really fun way,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, well, why not me to your
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: point before? Why not go out there and be a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: little delusional. I think it's great. I think it's so great.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And speaking of being a little delusional, you like to
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: engage a lot with the crowd when you're running, like
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you're dialed into what you're doing in your body, but
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: you're also very aware. And I know this because of
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: your mission to find the sweet little human that was
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: running alongside you the paras Olympics, who you ran with
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: in New York recently. Yes, yeah, can you tell us
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: how that part happened that you guys were united here?
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know the story
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: at thirty five k, because everything's in kilometers and Europe,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a little boy ran alongside of me in the marathon
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: when I was kind of going through a hard time
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: mentally and when I say, like, you didn't just run
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: alongside me for like a couple of seconds, it felt
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like minutes. Like this guy he was like ten years
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he's ten years old. His name is Jackson, and he
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: was crushing it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, who is this kid?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Like somebody signed him to a contract? Now, Puma, get
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on it. And I just had mentioned it in an
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: interview post marathon, I think with Runners World, and they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: put it out there and eventually I actually had a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: few people DM me and be like, that's my kid,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that's my kid. And you know, once I had a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: few us a little bit like skeptical because I'm like, oh,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: anybody's gonna you.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Know, can't be everybody's Yeah, it can't.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Be everybody's kid.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: But of course people want, you know, their kid to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: be in the limelight a little bit. So I finally
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this his name is Terrence sent me a video of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Jackson running alongside me, and I knew immediately.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I saw the outfit. I knew the exact spot, So.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I sent them some of my stuff because
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I just felt so thankful for him, Like him being
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: right where he was was so important for me because
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: it really like kind of snapped me back, and his
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: cheers like actually were super helpful. And I think that's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: really important for anybody cheering for a marathon, just know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: like you being out there is really important. That's why
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I like to interact so much, Like twenty six point
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: two would be really.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Boring without all the crowds.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: So anybody out there supporting is just like my superhero
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: for sure. But I've just been in contact with his
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: family since they live in New York, just forty five
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: minutes north of the city or so, so as it
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: was getting closer, he texted me and said that Jackson
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: was allowed to skip first period, which is Jim class,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, So instead of going to Jim, Jackson and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I ran a couple miles around the park and we had.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Some great conversation. He's an amazing kid.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I think we got to watch out for him in
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: twenty like thirty six or whatever whatever Olympics.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: That'll be.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, how special is that? What a core
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: memory for both of you?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he is.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: He's the greatest little kid too, And yeah, I'm super
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: grateful for him.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I also don't recall, like is running a couple of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: miles at ten normal thing to do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So he's like kind of an all
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: star little runner. He's in a run club, and I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was like, I know, that's what I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: was like, are you going to be tired for practice
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the next day? Like when's your next race? Like I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: was really worried about, like, oh, we're doing it for him.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: But we just took it nice and easy and had,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you know, some good conversations.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Jackson, what an MVP.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's so special to your point about it's so
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: helpful and important when people show up. I mean, we've
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: already reiterated the importance of your people showing up for
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you when you're not on the race course. But I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: do think that's a really great thing to highlight, is
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that there is so much gratitude that people have for
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the people that show up on the sidelines, right Really,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the same without them. And so that's
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: always my biggest tip, or one of them, for sure,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: to anyone who may be going out there for the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: first time, whether you're running a five k or a
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: mile or a marathon, it's like, if you have people
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: that are coming out to support you, do your best.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: To know literally exactly where.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: They're going to be.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely and because you get like you get an energy
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: bowl like none other, No caffeine pill, no good, no
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: tail end. Whatever you're taking is going to give you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: as much energy as seeing your loved ones out there.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think it's really a magical moment.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, like they're so proud of you
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: for what you You know, they're going to be proud
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of no matter what your result is, but they're so
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: proud to see you out there, and I think it's awesome.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It's so awesome. You mentioned nutrition.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I do recall that you missed a bottle at the Olympics. Yes,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and you spoke about how that really got in your
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: head for a moment. Yes, Yeah, How did you let
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it go?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when you're talking about the expletive
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: of Slane plan again, the camera on me that have
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to bleep me out completely, I was not super I'm
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: not super proud of how I like handled that for
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a few minutes within myself though, you know, because for
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a while I was like well, and then of course
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: my calf started to cramp not long after, and I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: was like, well, it's because I didn't get my electrolytes,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, you just start to spiralf and so
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I I guess you just just figure it out. You know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you start to think about, Okay, well my next bottle,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna instead of just drinking half, I'll drink three
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: quarters of it, or I'll grab a water bottle next
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: time I can see it. And you just gotta you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: gotta pull yourself out and know that especially for a marathon,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: less so for those shorter races when you know it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what your nutrition is.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: That stuff.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We we only get to do a marathon every now
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and again, like two three times a year, pretty max.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: You know, So you got to.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Be able to take yourself out of those dark situations
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: because you don't get a lot of opportunities to get
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: them right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: What kind of mental fitness do you do?
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't do anything on you know, I guess,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: like on purpose or anything.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But every time I go out for a run, I'm
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: usually cycling through moments in a marathon, I think about
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: hard times that I had in other marathons. I think
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: about potential hard times I'll have in New York, for example,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: going up the quiet bridges waiting for like hell and
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Obiri to surge those moments like the things that are
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: going to be really hard, and I figure out how
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna work through it, how I'm going to react,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: what kind of mindset I'm going to have in that moment,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and I just try to play out everything as much
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: as possible so I have no surprises on race day.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I always try to tell people, Like
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you have hours and hours during the week to mentally
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: prepare for the marathon.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Right right, and that visualization really helps you get to
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: where you hope to be when you meet that moment.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: It helps you to meet that moment.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Because when something goes weird, like if you know you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: have this hard moment, you're like, oh, I already prepared
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: for this in my head.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: This is what I was going to do, So here's
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: how I'm going to react.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: But then there's the moment where it doesn't go as
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you had hoped, like at the Olympics for me, when
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I hit these huh, non intentional. When I have a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: hurdle like that and I am trying to respond a
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: little bit more than I want to react. I am
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: a big just take a few seconds, and literally I'll
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: count to four and then I'll be like, all right, now,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: what would you do? Because if I do what I
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: like think instinctively maybe to do in the media, it's
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: probably not how I would react four seconds later, totally.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And that's so helpful, right, It's just a small step back.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that approach has actually instilled in me
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: that you always have four seconds or I mean even
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: take six, right, like you always have the time. It's
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: very rare that you don't have the time to be like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: let me just take a beat before I respond to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: this email, or before I deal with the fact that
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go here on Thanksgiving and someone
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: wants me there and we need to be in five
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: different places like whatever it might be, you know, And
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: so I'm always like, you have a few seconds, yeah, yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Especially a marathon.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You've got a lot of time in a marathon to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: figure it out, a lot of seconds.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I do like the concept of visualizing how you want
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to handle the difficult moments and putting yourself in them.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And I think it is really special knowing that you
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: had gone previously to Paris to see the hills even
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and what you would be dealing with there, it then
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: helps you. Really, I feel like it's like a level
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: of investment in yourself. Right, It's like, I'm going to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: invest what I need to do to show up. How
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I know that I want to show up so that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: you can truly just be proud of whatever happens when
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you're out there.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Because at the end of the day, if
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I were to place eightieth or whatever last is, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I had done everything to the best of my ability,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and I had prepared properly and everything went as best
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: as I could have hoped for, if I were to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: play Stadia, what's what's there to be mad about?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: If you give it your all, you know.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not saying that I'll always go back to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that all it takes is all you've got, and you're
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: gonna have. You're gonna have different things to give on
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: different days, Right. I think that that is kind of
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the challenge looping back on our Delulu combo, It's like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: sometimes that's the challenge in me getting delusional, because I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: also recognize and have this level of self awareness that
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I want to have enough grace with myself if it's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: just not the perfect storm of a Delulu dayah, Right,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Like if I have a goal A on Sunday, which
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: was to have a great day, Like my truly A
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: goal is to go out there and have the most
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: fun and embrace it and enjoy it because I have
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: had New York City marathons where I was too dialed
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in on other things and it's just the energy and
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the people and they're wonderful.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: That's the A goal.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: If I go out there and run my A goal,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: which is to have a great day, and then maybe
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: run my B goal, which could be something like a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: three point thirty. If I'm in pursuit of B and
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like A anymore, we have to abandon B. Yeah, right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And I feel like that's up to each of us.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It's like you can be both, Like you can see
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the greatness in yourself and be willing to be a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: little bit de Lulu, and then you can also be
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: a realist.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and in a lot of ways when you're setting
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: your goals, you need to be a realist because you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: can't ask your body to do something you didn't do
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: in practice right during a marathon, for sure. So I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: mean it's hard because you just have to that Delulu
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: part is seeing like I got a glimpse of that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in practice. I saw a little bit of that from
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: myself in practice, so in like kind of running with
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that and not me sitting here and like it would
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: be completely unrealistic for me to sit here and be like, yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I want to run at two fifteen on Sunday, Like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that from myself in practice, right, So
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have I seen a two twenty two in practice?
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, so you know glimpses of it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed, but so that would be like, you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: know that where that Dululu Park comes in.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: This is coming from the woman who said that one
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of her favorite workouts and the bill to New York
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: City Marathon was twenty eight miles at six oh five pace.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Just for the mere mortals listening to us. That is
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: so impressive.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: It was really fun too.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: She had goal a angle beat. Yeah it was.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: It was super fun. Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I love the long run and I loved to crush
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the LongRun, especially because our team is a mix of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: male and female. So I love to kind of go
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: out there and be like I'm gonna stick my nose
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: in it with the voice today and like make them.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You know, they call it like getting chicked or whatever,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: so I like that. Uh, I get to push them too.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: My mouth just agaped when she said getting chicked.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what they call it when guys
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like get beat by girls.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Or my goodness. Also, I just caught a glimpse of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: your rings tattoo.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh my god.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: If you got carries, yes, yes, and I went together.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: She was one of the first members of Minnesota Distance
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Ely so when I made the team, she was like me,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna go, like I want to finally go
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: get them.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: So, oh my god, that's so special. Yeah. Do you
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: have any other tattoos?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I have two others, One for my mom who passed
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and then when I was eighteen, I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: got a Bible versa on my calf.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, what did your mom pass
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: away from lung cancer?
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: How did it feel for you to get this, to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: meet this moment without her?
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: That?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Uh one of I mean, it was one of the
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: most magical moments in my life, but also one of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the hardest for that reason, because she's She's actually the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: reason I started running. She I played hockey growing up,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and I was super invested in hockey, but she really
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: believed that, you know, great athletes are good in a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: lot of things and that I should broad in my horizons,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: which in that moment, I was like, Mom, you hate me.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: You don't believe in my dreams. You don't think I
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: can be a professional hockey player.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: But it turns out Mom was right that I did
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: just need to broaden my horizons, make some new friends,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: get some new friend groups, and yeah, I went out
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: for track because she was forced me to try something new,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and she was my biggest supporter. Like she literally knew
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: nothing about running. If she'd always say, if I'm running,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm running away from something, So she just she had
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: no idea what was ever happening. She didn't know how
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: long a marathon was, She had no idea how long
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a ten k was. That they were all the same
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to her. But she was always so proud of me,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: whether I won or took last, Like if she was
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: on the finish line, she was bawling.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Her eyes out with fries.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So uh, it's tough that she never got to see
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: me like become a professional runner with Puma. She didn't
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: get to see me when Grandma's marathon. She didn't get
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to see me make an Olympic team. Those are well
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: she in my opinion, she did get to see me.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's just help that I didn't get to celebrate those
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: moments with her.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's clear that you got your sense
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: of relentless self belief from her.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, so some day I'll get to go
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to heaven and thank her for all of this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure all so a bit difficult considering the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: circumstances to then your small wedding, right yeah. I think
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that that's something a lot of people can really relate to,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: is carrying with them and holding someone so close to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: them who's no longer with us, and continuing to live
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in celebration of them, rather than frustration that, oh I
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: wish they could be here for this. It's another both moment,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: right yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: For sure both?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I for sure Mother's Day comes around and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I'm frustrated all day, you know. You see, I've to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: almost not be on Instagram because you get that almost
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: selfishness of why do all these other people have moms?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's really hard, but I do know that,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you know she's she's watching from somewhere else, and that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: just what I have to hold on to and believe in.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm really lucky that her sister, my aunt obviously
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: is growing up. She was always like a second mom
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to me, so I still have her here with me,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and she got to like be my mom. I'm at
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: my wedding, she got to come and give me away
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: in a way.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: So it's nice to have that too.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: What do you think has been the most helpful tool
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: for you in navigating your own grief.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I not too long after I lost my mom, maybe
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: a couple days after my grandpa, her dad sat me
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: down and said, it's going to be like waves in
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the ocean. Sometimes they hit you really hard out of nowhere,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and sometimes they're nice and soft. Most days, it's gonna
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: get nice and soft. You're not gonna get hit by it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: But then you're gonna smell something that's gonna remind you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: of her. It's gonna hit you like a tidal wave.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And it's so true. Like now, it's been over four years.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Most days, you know, I think about her probably every day,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and most days that's fine, but every now and again,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: something will happen and I'll just lose it like it's
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: like it happened yesterday. So I think that's been really
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: a good When that happens, I just think of my
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: grandpa and say like, oh, it's just one of those
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: big ways today and that's okay. Normal, And nobody's grief
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: is the same. So however, I grieved as not the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: same way my dad grieved, you know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, exactly, And a reminder that you navigated all
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: of the hard moments up until this point and you're
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: still standing exactly. And so when you think of it
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that way, even in the ones where you feel as
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: though you are in a dark room and incapable of
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: opening the curtains and all you want is the light outside.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Right in those moments, you say to yourself, but I've
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: been here before totally and we're okay.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And I think that goes forward to like all hard things,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Like I've been through so many hard things in my life,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and so when it gets hard on Sunday, I've been
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: through way worse that I can get through. I can
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: get through another hard moment.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Very sure.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: What are you excited about right now?
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Aside from Sunday knowing that this airs after the big
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: race foreshadow moment.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm really excited, honestly, Like, I'm very
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: excited for the race, but I'm also very excited for
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: after the race. This is It's been kind of a
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: crazy year, so I'm very very ready for like a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: solid two weeks off.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Of running for two weeks.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I always take one week, but I told my coach,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I want this to be an exception. Maybe I'll run
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: in that second week, but I don't want it to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: be mandatory. I just want to, like, if I feel
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: i'll go run with Montana, I'm sure whatever he's doing
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: that week. But I'm just excited to have a step
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: away from running for a little bit.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I know that you plan out like a year or
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: two and an ideas.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't make.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: You tell me what's on the horizon, but is there
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: anything you can share?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I can always share that I'll be at
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Grandma's Marathon. I'm unsure if I'll do the marathon or
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the half this year because we have a World Championship
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: in September. If I get selected, I can tell you
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: this too. If I get selected for that team, I'm
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: going to take my spot. So in that case, I'd
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: run the half marathon at Grandma's.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: But and that would be your first worlds, it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Would be my first worlds.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'd love to go to Tokyo and be
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: really competitive there, but I'll do a spring mare on.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: People can probably guess what's fun, but I yeah, I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: love to do a marathon, so.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They might be able to guess whusch one.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: But also like, if worlds are in Tokyo, then maybe
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you want to go to Tokyo again. You never know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: You're totally inferring, Like you could probably guess it's going
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: to be Boston, But in my head, I'm like, could
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: be a really great preview.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really had over. That's true. That is a
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: good point.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I'm just here to help them keep guessing.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: With Yes, I'm just confused.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Right now, someone goes to your Instagram feed and they
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: see a woman who, in her own words, is now
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a quote unquote big name, someone that is a stellar
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: marathon or someone who also just got married. But when
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: you look in the mirror, what is it that you
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: see looking back at you.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Oh that's a deep, deep question.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You're here, Okay, I'm here. She just got cozy. She's like, oh,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: now we're settling in.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh gosh. That's like it's so introspective. I feel
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: like I see somebody who loves to run, who is
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: living their dream. Like, I wait, you know they say like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you don't work a day in your life if you
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: do what you love. That's me, Like, that's so cliche
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and so corny, but that's one hundred percent me.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I feel like I am living a fairy tale. Just
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: married the best man on the planet. In my opinion,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: running's going great. Knock on wood. I've got great friends,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: great family.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of running and spending time with your partner,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: what is it that you enjoy doing the most?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: So that's another reason I'm excited for after the marathon.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a big golfer and pickleball player. Which pickleball I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: really take a step back from when I'm in marathon
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: training because it's a lot of lateral movement.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: I get sore from it. Golf not so much.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: You can kind of do that through marathon training, but
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I do taper off for sure. So I'm excited to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: like have time to do the other things that I love,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: like those those activities.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back to the specialness that is
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Jackson for a moment, because he is just an example
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: of so many of the younger individuals. And I want
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: to say specifically also young women that now look up
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to you and they're like, I want to be like Dakota.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: When I say that to you, how does that make
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you feel?
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: It's crazy for sure.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a hard time putting yourself in this
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: box of like I looked up to Daz or I
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: looked up to.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Especially like care Gaucher.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: As a Minnesotan, it's hard for me to put myself
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: in this box of like, oh, people are going to say, like, oh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I looked up to Dakota. But it makes every hard
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: day of running worth it. Like if I can inspire
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: one little kid to keep going, if I can inspire
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: one college walk on to really give it there all,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: or you know, try for the Olympic Trials after college,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that makes every hard mile, every hard.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Day worth it for me.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: If you had to sit down with someone and bring
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: your notebook and learn something new these days, is there
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: anything that you're interested in exploring that you haven't done
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: so yet.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the world of ultra.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's like a little foreshadowing for in a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: few years. I would love to get into that world.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I'd love to learn more about how you train for that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I'm wanna take down Des London's world record.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, we just need to get
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: you and Dez together and have a chat.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's a world that I know very little about,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and I would love to learn more. And I think
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: place to my strong suit. So yeah, I want to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: have some world records to.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: My name it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, after watching Chicago, I know that's not going to
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: happen in the marathon.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was so fast.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: But so I think I'm gonna have to look more
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: towards the fifty k fifty mile.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Wow, But there was a time when you weren't quite
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: yet at the marathon distance that I'm sure you had
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: some of those same feelings, right, you're like twenty six
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: miles five k, ten k sure, but twenty six yea.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: So it's the same vibe and you've done quite well here.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, that's true.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Anything else you want to do before you New York?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: As if I'm running this marathon.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I want to go get some good New
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: York pizza, get some good beer on old fashion.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to let loose for sure.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited, so hard, so hard
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: fought and very well deserved. I will be thinking of
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you over the weekend of you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god. And Jackson, I'm do you know
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: where he's going to be on the course.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I think he's going to be around mile twenty one.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Oh so, well, make sure you have exact coordinates. We
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: need to know northwest corner, northeast corner.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I could hear him anywhere they're
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: trying to go, specifically where it's pretty quiet.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, that's up the fifth Avenue. Help on twenty one.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: That might be it's on the way, it's you're on
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the way there, I know exactly. It's good. It's a
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: good area. Well, I will to look for Jackson. Yes,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: piece of advice. I want to go back to when
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: your mom pushed you into running, and you're this hockey
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: girl who is so determined to go one way, so
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: determined to go right when somebody else important do you
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: want to you to go to left knowing what you
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: know now and seeing everything that you've done. What would
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: you tell that younger version of yourself?
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: I would say, listen to your mom.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: She literally always knows what's best and you're gonna have
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: to like eat your words later that you say to her.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, just like buckle up, try something new. You
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: just don't know where it's going to take you. And
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: she was right, like great athletes are great a lot
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: of things, so you just never know what's going to happen.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: You never know.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy and like so grateful that we were
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: finally able to sit down one on one and again
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I'll be cheering for you this weekend.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: For those that don't follow along with you just yet,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: how do they keep up with you on social? Give
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: us the info?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah I am now I'm stuckond guessing it. I'm either
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Dakota Lindworm or Dakota Popaine on Instagram.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I switched it. I think my handle's technically still Dakota.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Lindworm Okay, let me check, and then I changed my
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: name to Dakota Popain.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: You are yes, you did?
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Oh wow? Do you think you'll keep the handle.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: At some point I'll change a handle verified on Instagram,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: so I've got to like, this is something I didn't know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: You have to submit your photo ID to get verified,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like I had to send them a picture. So once
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I get my actual Dakota unquo pain, then I'll sweat
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: check because I don't want to lose my check mark.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Of course not. We need to keep the check mark.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: I fought hard for that thing.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: So small time, big time athletes need checkmarks.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am over at Emily a Bodi and at
• 55:22
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• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time