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Sharri | 26 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Well said Andrew and good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 2: to the show tonight. Iran's catastrophic threat as Israel prepares
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Speaker 2: a ground invasion. Full details tonight of where this war
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Speaker 2: is heading. Meanwhile, Pennywong gives another lecture to Israel. More
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Speaker 2: on that in a moment Also tonight, Anthony Albanez he
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Speaker 2: tries to clean up his negative gearing mess, but he's
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Speaker 2: only made things worse, refusing to rule out changes and
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Speaker 2: hitting out at journalists again. Plus, debate around Labour's Misinformation
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Speaker 2: Bill is heating up as censorship concerns grow.
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Speaker 3: Claire Lehman will join me shortly.
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Speaker 2: And the Left can't help but dehumanize Donald Trump as
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Speaker 2: it's revealed Iran is plotting to kill the former president.
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Speaker 2: Those details later when we cross live to Adam Crichton
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Speaker 2: in Washington, But first tonight, Iran threatens Israel, warning of
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Speaker 2: catastrophic consequences if the IDF continues to target Hesbelah, but
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Speaker 2: Israel is making it clear that it is preparing for
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Speaker 2: a ground invasion. This comes as the US and France
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Speaker 2: develop a plan for an immediate twenty one day truce
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Speaker 2: between Israel and Hesbelah. And here was Joe Biden during
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Speaker 2: an appearance on ABC's The View, and.
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Speaker 4: All our war is possible. But I think there's also
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Speaker 4: the opportunity we're still in play to have a settlement
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Speaker 4: that can fundamentally change the whole region.
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Speaker 2: And Penny Wong once again seems to shrug her shoulders
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Speaker 2: at the constant threat of terrorism by urging Israel to
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Speaker 2: have a cease fire to stop.
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Speaker 5: We condemn Hisbelah's continue to text on Israel what I'll
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Speaker 5: do so again, Lebanese civilians cannot be made to pay
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Speaker 5: the price of defeating Isbellah. The global community has made
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Speaker 5: clear that this destructive cycle must stop. What has happened
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Speaker 5: in recent days only makes an immediate cease fire in
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Speaker 5: Gaza even more urgent. You would have heard me say
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Speaker 5: this before, and I say it again. Lebanon cannot become
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Speaker 5: the next Gaza.
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Speaker 2: You could be forgiven for wondering if Penniwog was the
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister for the Middle East, given how much time
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Speaker 2: she spends speaking about and lecturing Israel, and just hours
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Speaker 2: ago she revealed that she'd met with the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: for Palestine. And I say that with inverted comments at
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Speaker 2: the same time as Israel is under siege from terrorist
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Speaker 2: groups on the north and the south. Well, Penniwog is
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Speaker 2: worried about Palestinian self determination.
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Speaker 3: This is what she tweeted.
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Speaker 2: She said, I spoke with the Palestine PMO about our
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Speaker 2: commitment to advancing the Palestinian people's legitimate aspiration to self determination.
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Speaker 2: Australia is pressing for a ceasefire, urgent humanitarian access, release
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Speaker 2: of hostages and prevention of regional escalation. And as you
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Speaker 2: can see in that photograph, the Australian and Palestinian flag
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Speaker 2: side by side on the table that meeting, just a
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Speaker 2: week after the Palestinians put forward their one sided hostile
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Speaker 2: resolution that never mentioned Hamas, didn't mention the hostages, and
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Speaker 2: didn't mention October seven, and instead called for boycotts of
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Speaker 2: Israel and that it pay reparations. Well, I'd like to
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Speaker 2: see Pennywong spend more time demanding the return of the hostages,
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Speaker 2: especially baby Kafir and his brother Ariel. Did she raise
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Speaker 2: them with the Palestinian Prime Minister? Did she raise them
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations? This is a very different approach
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Speaker 2: from the Coalition, which has showed immense understanding of what
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Speaker 2: Israel has been dealing with.
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Speaker 6: The fact that people wouldn't be standing with Israel and
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Speaker 6: would be equivocating or somehow giving comfort in their language
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Speaker 6: to the Iranians is beyond anyone's comprehension.
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Speaker 7: Israel has been under attack from Hesbelah for many months,
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Speaker 7: hundreds of rockets being launched, thousands of people have been
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Speaker 7: forced to leave their homes, and Israel, as every nation,
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Speaker 7: has a right to self defense.
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Speaker 2: Penniwong needs to realize that the threat posed by radical
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Speaker 2: Islamic terror groups is to the West, including Australia, not
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Speaker 2: just to Israel. Iran's fight is against the West and
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Speaker 2: the United States, and Israel is the first step, and
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Speaker 2: Iran is now threatening involvement of Israel continues to pursue Hesbelah.
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Speaker 2: Iran is a powerful, well funded animal. It's working increasingly
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Speaker 2: closely with China, Russia and North Korea to destabilize the
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Speaker 2: region and provoke war. The Iranian weapon capability has grown
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Speaker 2: in recent years, particularly during the Biden administration. Iran has
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Speaker 2: supplied lethal precision guided missiles to Hesbela and the Ayatolas
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Speaker 2: have fast tracked their weapons program to the point that
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Speaker 2: They've also been arming Russia against Ukraine, and just this week,
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Speaker 2: Reuter's reports that Iran is helping arm the Houthy rebels
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Speaker 2: with advanced missiles called P eight hundred ONYX from Russia
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Speaker 2: and this they're doing this to help the terror group
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Speaker 2: target commercial shipping in the Red Sea. Hermas's weaponry is
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Speaker 2: quite frankly primitive compared to the Iranian supply to Hesbela,
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Speaker 2: and we hope that Israel has managed to destroy some
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Speaker 2: of those weapons over the past week.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: There's no question that if Iran does step in to
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Speaker 2: help Hezbalah and attack Israel, the United States will be
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Speaker 2: right behind Israel. And even Kamala Harris made this clear
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Speaker 2: in her debate against Trump that she would never withhold
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Speaker 2: weapons in a war with Iran. Yet we're seeing the
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Speaker 2: Democrats push hard for a ceasefire, which would be convenient
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Speaker 2: for them ahead of the US election. They want to
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Speaker 2: be able to say they've broke it a peace deal.
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Speaker 2: But the Wall Street Journal editorial today makes the critical
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Speaker 2: point that the United States has responded to the terrorism
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Speaker 2: in the Red Sea with the equivalent of strongly worded letters,
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Speaker 2: small missile strikes that do no lasting damage to the Hooties' capabilities.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal editorial says the administration feared a
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Speaker 2: more falseful response would lead to a regional war. The
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Speaker 2: irony is that US passivity has now led to a
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Speaker 2: growing regional conflict, and the Wall Street Journal editorials view
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Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden's foreign policy legacy is the disorder.
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Speaker 3: We're seeing right now.
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Speaker 2: In my view, Israel seems to be the only country
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Speaker 2: with serious strength left globally. It's why it's genius and bolshy.
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Speaker 2: Pager attack was breathtaking and awe inspiring. The days of
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Speaker 2: American forces enjoying political support to hunt down terrorists seem
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Speaker 2: a distant memory.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The political focus of the left is to let the
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Speaker 2: terrorists live to have a ceasefire, rather than to track
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Speaker 2: down and kill each one that murdered civilians and took
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Speaker 2: children and babies hostage, hostages who still haven't been able
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Speaker 2: to return to their beds, their homes, or their loved ones.
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Speaker 2: It's disgraceful that the pressure once again is on Israel
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Speaker 2: to stand down being bombarded with eight thousand missiles, despite
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Speaker 2: seventy thousand Israelis having to flee their homes in the
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Speaker 2: North and despite twelve innocent children being murdered in a
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Speaker 2: Hesbela strike, the grief and the agony is tangible, and
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Speaker 2: we saw that last night in my interview with the
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Speaker 2: heartbreaking mother of little Elma who was killed in that
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Speaker 2: Hesbela strike at the Majdal Shams. As former Labor Minister
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Speaker 2: Mike Kelly said on my program this week, every country
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Speaker 2: has the obligation to protect its own citizens from acts
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Speaker 2: of war beyond their borders. Acts of war beyond their borders,
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Speaker 2: he said, this was an obligation, and Israel is fulfilling
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Speaker 2: its duty to keep its citizens safe under international law.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Australia doing nothing if two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty ossies were taken hostage, if more than one thy
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Speaker 2: two hundred were killed and twelve children were murdered while
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Speaker 2: they were playing soccer. The Israeli Ambassador to Australia, Emir Maimon,
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Speaker 2: wrote today that there is still a diplomatic pathway to
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Speaker 2: regional stability, but that the international community needs to step up.
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Speaker 2: He says the international community should delegate Iran's Revolutionary Guard
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Speaker 2: CORE a terror group and increase sanctions on Iran, targeting
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Speaker 2: the Ayatola's regime and their financial.
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Speaker 3: Military and terror networks.
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Speaker 2: He says this would cripple their ability to finance HESBLA,
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Speaker 2: But he also argues that the UN Security Council should
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Speaker 2: enforce its own resolution which mandates that Hesbela has to
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Speaker 2: stay north of the Latani River, and this would prevent
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Speaker 2: its attacks on Israel. At the moment, it is virtually
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Speaker 2: militarized the area north of the border with Israel, and
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Speaker 2: the u WN has done nothing. Emir Maymond points out
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Speaker 2: that Israel stands at the forefront of this battle, defending
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Speaker 2: not just its citizens, but the security and values of
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Speaker 2: the free world, and this is a point that Pettiwong
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Speaker 2: seems to forget as she continues to demand that Israel
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Speaker 2: lay down its arms. Now another big show tonight, Economist
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Speaker 2: Judith Sloan will join me live in the studio to
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Speaker 2: talk about the Prime Minister's negative gearing debacle. Michael Downby
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Speaker 2: will also be on the show. He's going to speak
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Speaker 2: about the international community and their weakness in the face
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Speaker 2: of Iran and Hezblah.
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Speaker 3: All of that coming up will also go live to Washington.
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Speaker 2: But first let's get to today's top stories with commentator
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Speaker 2: Jason Morrison and Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Great to see you.
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Speaker 2: Jason, get your reaction first to Penny Wog and Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden's weakness here, you.
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Speaker 9: Know, well two different degrees of weakness. I mean, Penny
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Speaker 9: Wong is all words. Joe Biden needs to be more
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Speaker 9: than words. But Penny Wog has a failure to connect
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Speaker 9: the problems that Israel is having to the problems that
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Speaker 9: we could face with.
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Speaker 1: Radical Islam in our country.
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Speaker 9: And this is, I think, consistently a problem. We sort
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Speaker 9: of pretend it's over there somewhere, you know, we're bringing
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Speaker 9: it here, and there is already a problem with radical
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Speaker 9: Islam in Australia. And as long as we continue to
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Speaker 9: kind of think it's everyone else's fault, there'll never be
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Speaker 9: an addressing of the actual issue. That's what she would
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Speaker 9: prefer to pray on because it's an easier hit to
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Speaker 9: target Israel because the world is right now. Anyone who
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Speaker 9: wants to have a go is having a go at Israel.
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Speaker 9: Israel will do what it needs to do to defend
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Speaker 9: its people. It's doing what it needs to do to
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Speaker 9: defend its people, and it should be encouraged to do
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Speaker 9: so by nations like ours. Instead, we have this confused
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Speaker 9: buck each way position, which really is just a confused
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Speaker 9: reality of what Australia faces. Australia has similar problems, we
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Speaker 9: just don't see them like this now. And I don't
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Speaker 9: know why she can't see that there is a real
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Speaker 9: consistency with the two issues.
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Speaker 2: You think back to the wake of September eleven, Gary,
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Speaker 2: and no one ever suggested that the United States shouldn't
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Speaker 2: go try hunt down Osama bin Laden. But yet there
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Speaker 2: seems to be this confusion now between which side is
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Speaker 2: right and which side is wrong.
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Speaker 8: Charri first, just congratulations on that fantastic editorial. I wish
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Speaker 8: I had my name at the end of that marvelous
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Speaker 8: contribution you just made. No, seriously, you've nailed it. You see,
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Speaker 8: Iran is all cashed up for a reason. Joe Biden
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Speaker 8: gave him the money, gave him access to all the
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Speaker 8: oil deposits, and they have been able to fund this
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Speaker 8: sort of dreadful stuff. And equally, the entire Arab world
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Speaker 8: was on track to actually recognize the right of Israel
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Speaker 8: to exist and Saudi Arabia we're ready to sign on
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Speaker 8: as well, and when the Saudis do it, a whole
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Speaker 8: lot of other people do too, and that they wanted.
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Speaker 8: They got concerned about Palestina. I don't for the life
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Speaker 8: we understand how a two state solution works, frankly, but anyway, nevertheless, Hammas, good,
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Speaker 8: you have.
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Speaker 2: A terror regime in control. It could work, but not
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Speaker 2: exactly a mask exact lasa.
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Speaker 8: And you got the triple h of a hatred. The
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Speaker 8: hood is the Hesbalah and Hamas. They did not want
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Speaker 8: that to happen. They did not want any Arab world
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Speaker 8: legitimacy for Israel to happen. They didn't want an outbreak
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Speaker 8: of peace, so they decided to go in murder people,
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Speaker 8: steal babies, all of those awful things that we should
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Speaker 8: never forget. On the seventh of October last year, almost
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Speaker 8: a year ago. They did this deliberately to create the
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Speaker 8: mess that's currently happening. So everybody who has died, civilian
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Speaker 8: or military is on the back of those three organizations,
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Speaker 8: and it's awful. No one wants more, No one wants this.
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Speaker 8: But you know, unless Israel now follows on from that
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Speaker 8: marvelous or inspiring beeper and walkie talkie attack the other week,
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Speaker 8: while Hezbela is completely weak. They're completely disoriented, and what
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Speaker 8: have we got the left internationally, Penny Wong is part
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Speaker 8: of the international left. Don't kid yourself. She is an
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Speaker 8: international leftist. And her whole attitude is, yeah, look, let's
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Speaker 8: just weaken Israel. You know, let's just make it easy
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Speaker 8: for the left in America who started this by giving
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Speaker 8: legitimacy back to Iran when Trump had them on their
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Speaker 8: financial knees. And I just think that don't think the
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Speaker 8: world should forget that the left internationally are trying to
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Speaker 8: ruin the West. These terrorist organizations are the spear throwers
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Speaker 8: and Israel. You are right, Israel is the country with
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Speaker 8: the coherency standing consistently in favor of Western civilization. This
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Speaker 8: is a really serious thing, to Jason's point, serious for
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Speaker 8: US and countries life.
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Speaker 2: Indeed very well, said Gary, that was brilliant, And it's
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Speaker 2: just the right point that they can.
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Speaker 9: Separate things in their heads. How Penny one can separate
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Speaker 9: these issues and almost forget like I write it off
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Speaker 9: as history, that it happens so long ago, the October
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Speaker 9: seventh thing.
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Speaker 3: That's a separate chapter.
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Speaker 2: I mean to many people to many people. They're reliving
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Speaker 2: that day over and over again. The hostages still aren't home.
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Speaker 2: You know, baby Kafa was only nine months when he
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Speaker 2: was taken. He had his first birthday there. We don't
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Speaker 2: know if he's alive or not. We just pray he is,
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Speaker 2: but you know.
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Speaker 3: Little kids still held hostage.
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Speaker 2: How that isn't what world leaders are demanding at the
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Speaker 2: United Nations rather than putting pressure on Israel is beyond me.
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Speaker 2: Now let's turn to and we're going to come back
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Speaker 2: to this topic with Michael Downby.
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Speaker 3: A bit later.
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Speaker 2: But let's talk now about the Prime Minister, because Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albinizi is clearly under pressure. He's getting snappy during interviews.
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Speaker 2: He struggles to answer basic see questions. Just have a
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Speaker 2: look at his performance with Pete Stefanovic this morning.
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Speaker 10: Well, we have no plans to touch it or change
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Speaker 10: negative gearing. What we did with our income tax changes
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Speaker 10: was to deliver a tax cup for every Australia live.
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Speaker 8: Doing you live, you deceive doing that?
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Speaker 3: Guess what, Pete?
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Speaker 10: Well, well if I did so, Pleady Dutton because they
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Speaker 10: voted for it.
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Speaker 2: We'll play a bit more of that on the show later.
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Speaker 2: But Jason, look this clearly isn't a good look. And
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Speaker 2: you know, the Albinezi government must be keeping negative gearing
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Speaker 2: changes on the table because the PM couldn't say in
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Speaker 2: any interviews today and he did a sweep of them,
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Speaker 2: he couldn't categorically say that they're not going to touch.
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Speaker 9: It, because categorically they don't want to not touch it.
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Speaker 9: They want to have a go at it. They want
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Speaker 9: people to think they're interested in having you at it
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Speaker 9: because you know, I work with a bunch of younger
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Speaker 9: people and when they heard that, they went, oh, that's good,
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Speaker 9: because that's the that's the kind of view that you
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Speaker 9: have when you think that everyone else is getting something
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Speaker 9: that you're not. And that's what he wants to give off.
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Speaker 9: He wants that vibe out there that he gets them,
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Speaker 9: he understands it. So it's once again, it's buck each
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Speaker 9: way albow, just like Penny Woe, were going to confuse
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Speaker 9: the messages out there. But why did he sharp talking
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Speaker 9: to Peter Stefanovick. I think this is interesting. I mean,
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Speaker 9: this underniably is the opinion end of the day at
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Speaker 9: Sky News, that's the news end of the day, So
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Speaker 9: he would have been expecting a bit of ping pong,
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Speaker 9: because that's what he gets when he goes on the
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Speaker 9: morning news programs and it's pretty much a comfortable run.
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Speaker 9: And every now and then you get picked up by
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Speaker 9: someone on Sunrise, or you might get a curly one
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Speaker 9: from someone of the ABC, but you're not expecting that.
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Speaker 9: And I think, you know, what is it Grahame Richardson's
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Speaker 9: line when when people work you out, they work you out.
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Speaker 9: And a lot of people have worked him out. And
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Speaker 9: the Peter Stefanovick interview yesterday showed me this morning, showed
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Speaker 9: me that he's worked him out. And the reaction since
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Speaker 9: from so many viewers is they've worked him out too.
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Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder if he'll go on Peter interview.
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Speaker 2: But Gary, how do you think this is going to
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Speaker 2: translate to voters? And they're just going to get the
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Speaker 2: message that this might be another broken promise, won't they?
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Speaker 11: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: And it's also and Shari, it's also the thin eaves
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Speaker 8: of the weds. There's four trillion dollars worth of money
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Speaker 8: sitting with baby boomers that is going to translate to
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Speaker 8: the next generation. It's a generational wealth is going to transfer.
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Speaker 8: Treasury wants a slice of it, so negative gearing capital
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Speaker 8: gains tax, that's just the thin edge of a wedge
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Speaker 8: towards inheritance tax, towards death duties and all these things.
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Speaker 8: Albo has a set piece move in mind about housing. Yeah,
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Speaker 8: to Jason's point, he just wants to sound like a
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Speaker 8: good bloke. But in the end, all of these attempts
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Speaker 8: by government to take money out of your pocket or
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Speaker 8: your parents' pocket or whatever else so that the government
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Speaker 8: gets a share of it is going to rob us
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Speaker 8: of an opportunity to make personal wealth ourselves. He's trying
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Speaker 8: to kill off the idea that people can make a
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Speaker 8: difference in their own lives, that government is the only
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Speaker 8: way to go. That's basically what this is. This bloke
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Speaker 8: I reckon more than the warmth of the handshake from
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Speaker 8: Joe Biden transferred to elbow during his trip to America,
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Speaker 8: and he's picked up a few Carmela Harris traits. What
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Speaker 8: they're calling now in America they're calling drunken Hallmark, you know,
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Speaker 8: like sort of all over the place, platitudinal rubbish. And
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Speaker 8: this is not a good prime minister. And this is
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Speaker 8: a very bad look from a bad prime minister. He
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Speaker 8: doesn't understand detail. That's the other problem.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, clapping at the screen soon, No.
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Speaker 2: You're on fire tonight, Gary, But it's true he's not
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Speaker 2: across the detail.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has weighed into concerns today around Mark Scott's
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Speaker 2: leadership or lack of it at the University of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: and Darton says that Mark Scott should stand aside after
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Speaker 2: that set an inquiry where he admitted that he'd failed
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Speaker 2: Jewish staff and students.
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Speaker 3: Well, he was Dutton with Ray Hadley earlier.
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Speaker 4: I think both the Scott and David thirty should resign.
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Speaker 4: If the head any shred of tegrity, they would have
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Speaker 4: resigned by now. Both men were aware of a situation,
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Speaker 4: even though they might deny it, and I don't think
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Speaker 4: their positions are tenable.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jason again, this is strength from Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: but he is saying that obvious. Mark Scott, as vice
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Speaker 2: chancellor at the University of Sydney has comprehensively failed in
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Speaker 2: that role to protect students from racism aggression.
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Speaker 9: Mark Scott has a reasonable man, by the way, at
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Speaker 9: a person level, is a reasonable man. However, he has
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Speaker 9: spent a career in probably the last fifteen to twenty
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Speaker 9: years dodging everything, dodging whatever comes his way. He's very
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Speaker 9: good at it. And anything that's controversial, be in his
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Speaker 9: education role, be it. For that matter, when he worked
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Speaker 9: at the ABC and had a leadership role there, he
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Speaker 9: had an ability to dodge the hard ones that were
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Speaker 9: coming his way. And this will be another. Now you
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Speaker 9: asked the question, should he go? It is remarkable that
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Speaker 9: he hasn't, and more so that the Aba, that the
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Speaker 9: Gospel nearly blame them for this one, that the universe,
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Speaker 9: his board hasn't kind of said, mate, you've let down
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Speaker 9: the staff. I mean, bug at the students for a second.
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Speaker 9: You've let down the staff, and you've got a legal
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Speaker 9: obligation to the staff. He knows that, he knows he's
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Speaker 9: roasting right now. But you watch him because he's very
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Speaker 9: very good at that. He is a great dodger of bullets.
21:15
Speaker 9: He's one of the great Sydney characters who's never actually
21:18
Speaker 9: had one firmly hit him. And you know this one.
21:21
Speaker 2: Should metaphorically metaphorically of course. Yeah, yeah, all of that, Gary,
21:25
Speaker 2: what do you reckon?
21:28
Speaker 8: Well, you know, part of a generation of leaders who
21:30
Speaker 8: don't know how to lead. They want to look for
21:32
Speaker 8: someone else to blame, and that's not the hallmark of
21:34
Speaker 8: a good leader. You actually do have to take responsibility.
21:37
Speaker 8: The buck ends somewhere near you, and that really is
21:40
Speaker 8: what he's failed to do here. He should go if
21:42
Speaker 8: he had any decency in honor. And I don't know
21:44
Speaker 8: about his character or anything, but seriously, from sinecure to
21:47
Speaker 8: sinecure to sinecure, this bloke needs to understand the real
21:50
Speaker 8: word world doesn't operate like that. You make a muck
21:53
Speaker 8: up like this, You've got to take responsibility. Bye bye, Mark.
21:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, Ran.
21:57
Speaker 9: But it's a long time since he's worked in the
21:59
Speaker 9: real world A long time. Yeah, another to another to another.
22:03
Speaker 9: You know, you start to get a warp view of
22:05
Speaker 9: perspective after a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Jason Morris and Gary Hargrave, thank you
22:09
Speaker 2: both very much for your time. Now, Claire Lehman is
22:12
Speaker 2: coming up on the show to speak about misinformation in
22:15
Speaker 2: just a moment. But now let's return to the top
22:18
Speaker 2: story this week around warning of catastrophic consequences, Israel preparing
22:23
Speaker 2: for a ground invasion of Lebanon, and joining mid Our
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Speaker 2: live from Melbourne is former labor minista from a chair
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Speaker 2: of a committee, I should say, Michael Dwanby Michael, thank
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Speaker 2: you very much for your time. Look, let's start with
22:37
Speaker 2: the international community approach here to call for a cease
22:41
Speaker 2: fire rather than supporting the elimination of the terror threat.
22:46
Speaker 3: What do you think of this approach?
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Speaker 12: It's about time they enforced you and Resolution Resolutions seventeen
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Speaker 12: oh one, which promised during the last conflict in two
22:56
Speaker 12: thousand and six that the murderous militia Hasvela would be
23:03
Speaker 12: withdrawn thirty kilometers from the Israeli border to the Litani River.
23:07
Speaker 12: That'd be a better beginning than calling for Israel to
23:11
Speaker 12: stand down after it's been forced into a military conflict
23:15
Speaker 12: with this Iranian proxy has blah, So very nice for
23:21
Speaker 12: Penny Wong and Joe Biden to wrap it on about
23:25
Speaker 12: immediate ceasefires for twenty one days. Where were they during
23:29
Speaker 12: the last eleven and a half months as the Iranian
23:32
Speaker 12: proxy lobbed missiles into northern Israel, depopulating it and forcing
23:39
Speaker 12: the border twenty or thirty kilometers south. Why doesn't Joe Biden,
23:44
Speaker 12: instead of talking this rubbish, enforce the congressionally mandated oil
23:50
Speaker 12: sanctions against Iran, which is paying for all of this,
23:54
Speaker 12: selling cheap Iranian oil to China. Over the last three
23:59
Speaker 12: years of the Biden administration has financed and funded hez
24:04
Speaker 12: Bola puties and amas. You don't have to go to war,
24:10
Speaker 12: you don't have to call for cease fires. You don't
24:12
Speaker 12: have to enforce one rule on the Israelis. You have
24:16
Speaker 12: to enforce your own congressional legislation. Joe Biden and I
24:20
Speaker 12: cannot understand how America lets the sewers canal to be
24:24
Speaker 12: blocked Israeli cities to receive missiles from these Uranian proxies,
24:30
Speaker 12: and then calls for cease fires. Israelis have to stand
24:34
Speaker 12: down and let Hezbollai. It's rubbish.
24:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:37
Speaker 2: Indeed, as the Wall Street Journal put it so well today,
24:39
Speaker 2: the US weakness is in part what's led to our
24:44
Speaker 2: enemies becoming so emboldened. But Michael, you've spent a lot
24:48
Speaker 2: of time in Ukraine as well, since the war there
24:51
Speaker 2: began with.
24:51
Speaker 3: Russia, We're seeing this is quite linked here.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing the emerging access of evil Iran, China, Russia,
24:59
Speaker 2: North Korea. We are not so much in this sense,
25:01
Speaker 2: but supplying weapons, supporting each other in these wars, and
25:06
Speaker 2: I think it's something that not everyone has grasped that
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Speaker 2: there is this support of weaponry between Iran and Russia.
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Speaker 12: I wish candidate Trump saw things as clearly as you
25:18
Speaker 12: do Shari. Of course, there's this actus. The Iranians are
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Speaker 12: providing these Shahi drones which are murdering innocent Ukrainian people
25:28
Speaker 12: all over that vast country of Ukraine, and the Iranians, Russia,
25:34
Speaker 12: and China, together with North Korea are all working hand
25:37
Speaker 12: in glove. But we had a catastrophic mistake from Zelenski
25:41
Speaker 12: today during the election to go to Pennsylvania and visit
25:44
Speaker 12: an ammunition factory, which are really upset Trump. And Trump
25:48
Speaker 12: has virtually said that he will defund Ukraine if he's elected.
25:52
Speaker 12: So not good days for those of us who believe
25:56
Speaker 12: in the United democracies, a united free world. The United
26:00
Speaker 12: States working with NATO, and for Penny Wong and Biden
26:03
Speaker 12: to go rabbiting on against the only country that's fighting
26:07
Speaker 12: its excess of evil, Israel, is just completely counterproductive to
26:11
Speaker 12: our collective interest. It's not just an issue of Israel,
26:15
Speaker 12: and I think, as Gary Hargrave said, it's an issue
26:18
Speaker 12: that affects all of US, as Bob Hook said, if
26:22
Speaker 12: Israel fools, the whole of Western civilization falls.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, the toll bell, the bell toll for mankind. I
26:31
Speaker 2: think he said, Michael downb thank you very much for
26:35
Speaker 2: your time, and completely agree with your point. By the way,
26:38
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump, those comments today and Ukraine were horrifying,
26:43
Speaker 2: quite frankly, I mean, why isn't he standing there calling
26:45
Speaker 2: out Putin?
26:46
Speaker 3: Why is he putting all the pressure on Zelenski.
26:48
Speaker 12: Who it's a victory for Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, as isolationist
26:56
Speaker 12: group seems to have influenced his brain.
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Speaker 3: It's terrifying. You don't know who's in his ear.
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Speaker 2: But we need the Republicans, who are very strong in
27:05
Speaker 2: national security to talk some sense into him. Because the
27:07
Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump stood up there today and put
27:10
Speaker 2: the pressure on Zelensky, whose country is under siege, who's
27:14
Speaker 2: been heroic in leading his people in holding off Russia,
27:19
Speaker 2: and he's done.
27:20
Speaker 3: Such a good job.
27:21
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought Russia would be able to
27:23
Speaker 2: just sweep in and take over, and they haven't. Putin
27:26
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to.
27:27
Speaker 12: Do that, be laying down their lives and all we're
27:30
Speaker 12: doing is providing them with the ammunition. Well, Adam, government
27:34
Speaker 12: isn't even giving them weapons that we've got ear for spare.
27:36
Speaker 3: Well out of time.
27:37
Speaker 2: But I, like you, I despair at the leadership around
27:40
Speaker 2: the world, including in Australia. Right now, all right, let's
27:44
Speaker 2: turn to Labour's Misinformation Bill, because there are serious concerns
27:49
Speaker 2: that the Albanezi government's legislation will threaten free speech. Now,
27:53
Speaker 2: Australia's former Chief Medical Officer, doctor Nick Coatsworth, is the
27:56
Speaker 2: latest hype profile figure to slam the government's and he
28:00
Speaker 2: says it should be rejected in its entirety.
28:03
Speaker 3: He warns that it.
28:04
Speaker 2: Would censor serious health discussion, like what happened during the
28:08
Speaker 2: pandemic when legitimate debate around COVID was branded misinformation. Let's
28:14
Speaker 2: bring in now Quillette founding editor Claire Lehman.
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Speaker 3: Claire, great to see you.
28:19
Speaker 2: Now you've written multiple brilliant articles on this topic. You're
28:24
Speaker 2: saying that this legislation would seek to control public discourse.
28:28
Speaker 3: What do you think of the main issues?
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Speaker 13: The main issues? Shariah that the term misinformation is often
28:37
Speaker 13: used to silence unpopular opinions, and anyone who's who's writing
28:44
Speaker 13: a bill trying to outlaw misinformation or require social media
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Speaker 13: companies to outlaw misinformation, is massively underestimating how difficult it
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Speaker 13: is to arrive at the truth. You know, we know
29:02
Speaker 13: that truth exists, it is out there, and we would
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Speaker 13: all like there to be fewer lies in the world.
29:07
Speaker 13: But it's incredibly difficult to arrive at the truth. And
29:12
Speaker 13: we all have differing opinions, and that's why we have
29:16
Speaker 13: the courts. That's why we have enterprises such as science,
29:20
Speaker 13: which are quite adversarial, by the way, so we can
29:23
Speaker 13: arrive at the truth. Now, imagining that some paper pushes,
29:26
Speaker 13: some bureaucrats sitting in an office can somehow miraculously be
29:31
Speaker 13: the world experts on every single subject you know, known
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Speaker 13: to man, and they can determine what is the truth
29:38
Speaker 13: and what is the misinformation on absolutely everything is bonkers.
29:42
Speaker 13: But this is essentially what the bill is proposing. It's
29:45
Speaker 13: proposing that social media companies basically enforce a code of
29:51
Speaker 13: conduct and you know, sensor misinformation if it caused, if
29:58
Speaker 13: it threatens to cause serio is harm to public health,
30:02
Speaker 13: the Australian economy, electoral processes, referendums and so on. I mean,
30:09
Speaker 13: just take the Voice referendum for exam good example, the
30:13
Speaker 13: proponents of the Voice who lost the referendum will tell
30:18
Speaker 13: you that they lost because of misinformation. I mean they
30:22
Speaker 13: might say that was one cause of many, but they
30:24
Speaker 13: still will argue that misinformation was an important factor. Now
30:30
Speaker 13: you know, that's an opinion, and many people had differing opinions.
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Speaker 2: So Claire, by the way, we saw the Prime Minister
30:36
Speaker 2: stand up in Parliament and say that the No campaigners
30:40
Speaker 2: were spreading misinformation. So if this is what the Prime
30:43
Speaker 2: Minister is saying, misinformation, and he's then introducing a misinformation bill,
30:47
Speaker 2: well there is legitimate reason to be concerned that misinformation
30:52
Speaker 2: could be used for political purposes.
30:54
Speaker 3: Do you think this is a risk.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, it's a huge risk. I mean Chris Bowen, the
31:01
Speaker 13: Energy Minister, already describes the coalition's policies and many of
31:06
Speaker 13: the statements put forward by experts, and you know experts
31:11
Speaker 13: like nuclear engineers as disinformation, not even misinformation, but actually disinformation.
31:18
Speaker 13: I mean, the whole thing is ironic because I was
31:21
Speaker 13: looking on Twitter now x at a tweet where Chris
31:25
Speaker 13: Bowen was describing Peter Dutton's nuclear policy as disinformation. But
31:31
Speaker 13: Chris Bowen's post itself was flagged with a notice but
31:36
Speaker 13: Twitter saying that it was misleading and deceptive itself.
31:40
Speaker 3: So you know, we've got the people.
31:43
Speaker 13: Who are often using the term misinformation are purveyors of
31:46
Speaker 13: misinformation themselves.
31:48
Speaker 3: And I'm really quite.
31:50
Speaker 13: Surprised this bill has got gained traction at all. I mean,
31:55
Speaker 13: it takes just, you know, twenty minutes of critical thinking,
31:58
Speaker 13: maybe two minutes of critical thinking to pull it apart
32:01
Speaker 13: and realize how impossible it will be to actually enforce it.
32:06
Speaker 13: And then if we do try and enforce it, we'll
32:09
Speaker 13: be living in a totalitarian state.
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Speaker 3: Indeed.
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Speaker 2: And the objection is, the objections to this legislation come
32:15
Speaker 2: from both sides, right and left, and it's perplexing that
32:18
Speaker 2: the government is persisting with it given there is no
32:21
Speaker 2: one who is actually supporting it. But it's another sign
32:25
Speaker 2: it's just a piece of woke legislation basically. Clearly, even
32:29
Speaker 2: your commentary as well as you're writing, is simply brilliant.
32:32
Speaker 3: I appreciate you joining us tonight.
32:34
Speaker 13: Thanks for having me.
32:35
Speaker 3: Sherry. Now still to come on the show.
32:37
Speaker 2: The ABC back in the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
32:41
Speaker 3: Chair Kim Williams gave a.
32:43
Speaker 2: Speech last night about fake news, but didn't manage to
32:46
Speaker 2: mention the Doctor Audio Saga plus Judah Sloan's take on
32:51
Speaker 2: Alban Eazy's negative gearing debacle. She'll join me live in
32:54
Speaker 2: studio after this quick break, Welcome back. The Prime Minister
33:02
Speaker 2: tried to clear up his negative gearing mess in a
33:05
Speaker 2: series of interviews today, but he only made the situation worse.
33:10
Speaker 3: Albanize he has been.
33:11
Speaker 2: Accused of using the same language that he used before
33:15
Speaker 2: changing the Stage three tax cuts. He hasn't ruled it out,
33:19
Speaker 2: He hasn't guaranteed he wouldn't make changes.
33:21
Speaker 3: He's just said he has no plans. Have a look, well, we.
33:26
Speaker 10: Have no plans to touch it or change negative gearing.
33:30
Speaker 10: We have no plans.
33:33
Speaker 2: So you're considering taking negative gearing reform and capital games
33:37
Speaker 2: tax reform to the next election.
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Speaker 10: No, we're not well.
33:41
Speaker 2: That was an eerily similar turn of phrase to how
33:45
Speaker 2: Albaneze spoke before he changed the Stage three tax cuts.
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Speaker 10: I can confirm that we haven't changed our position, but
33:52
Speaker 10: we have no change to our plans.
33:55
Speaker 14: Tax cuts will happen in July.
33:57
Speaker 10: We haven't changed our position. I've said and changed our position.
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Speaker 13: We haven't changed our.
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Speaker 15: Position on the Stage three tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: Well, Peter Duartton took the opportunity to launch a political
34:09
Speaker 2: attack over this.
34:10
Speaker 6: Today the Treasurer dumps this story out there and then
34:14
Speaker 6: he jumps on a plane to go to China, so
34:16
Speaker 6: he's nowhere to answer questions. And the Prime Minister keeps
34:19
Speaker 6: changing his story about whether the government is adopting the
34:22
Speaker 6: Green's policy to abolish negative gearing or to cap it,
34:25
Speaker 6: what are they doing in relation to capital gains discount
34:28
Speaker 6: and what does that mean for uncertainty in the economy,
34:32
Speaker 6: And the Prime Minister can't answer a question with honesty.
34:37
Speaker 2: But these are legitimate questions about whether the government does
34:41
Speaker 2: have plans to change negative gearing. Around one point two
34:44
Speaker 2: million Australians negatively gear their properties and others hope to
34:49
Speaker 2: do so.
34:49
Speaker 3: One day.
34:50
Speaker 2: Scrapping this would essentially be attax on aspiration. Now for more,
34:55
Speaker 2: I'm joined by economist and columnist Judith Sloan.
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Speaker 3: Judith, great to have you live here in Sydney. Thank
35:01
Speaker 3: you for your time.
35:03
Speaker 2: Now let's start with negative gearing and then we'll get
35:05
Speaker 2: to inflation.
35:06
Speaker 3: So this is now being floated.
35:08
Speaker 2: It's unclear whether the government wanted this debate or not,
35:11
Speaker 2: but the Prime Minister has chosen not to categorically rule
35:16
Speaker 2: it out.
35:16
Speaker 3: What do you make of how he's handling this?
35:20
Speaker 14: Well, who knows, frankly, I mean, I guess one interpretation
35:23
Speaker 14: is that the sort of economic reform agenda is looking
35:28
Speaker 14: extremely thin and maybe he feels he has to put
35:31
Speaker 14: something there. But you know, actually, if you go through
35:35
Speaker 14: the numbers, I mean, mind you my favorite was my
35:38
Speaker 14: word is my bond before? But you know, why would
35:41
Speaker 14: he do this because you would almost or inevitably have
35:46
Speaker 14: to grandfather exactly, so once your grandfather the kind of
35:50
Speaker 14: revenue gain you get from this is actually tight.
35:53
Speaker 11: Even at the moment, the tax.
35:56
Speaker 14: Benefit to those who negatively gear properties is about two
36:00
Speaker 14: point seven billion, so under three billion. Now you know
36:05
Speaker 14: the government spending over seven hundred billions. So in other words,
36:09
Speaker 14: it's what economists would call working on the wrong side
36:12
Speaker 14: of the decimal point.
36:13
Speaker 2: Well, if he was going to do it, I agree,
36:15
Speaker 2: there would be hardly any budget revenue because it would
36:18
Speaker 2: have to be grandfathered. No point, He'd only be doing
36:21
Speaker 2: it for political reason to try win back some of
36:24
Speaker 2: the support that he feels he's losing to the Greens
36:27
Speaker 2: probably is losing to the Greens because there is the
36:30
Speaker 2: sense that the Greens are owning the housing crisis political
36:35
Speaker 2: argument at the minute. But you know, there is a
36:37
Speaker 2: suggestion that he could do something similar to what he
36:40
Speaker 2: did on stuperannuation, where you know, he picked such a
36:43
Speaker 2: high figure three million dollars that the average person might
36:46
Speaker 2: not object to that. So maybe he'd say, you know,
36:49
Speaker 2: we'll scrap negative gearing on someone who has over five properties.
36:54
Speaker 14: Well, again, you can do that, but that's seriously working
36:57
Speaker 14: on the wrong side of the decimal point because we
37:00
Speaker 14: know what the distribution of negative gearers looks like, and
37:04
Speaker 14: it's really only a relatively small number who have multiple properties.
37:08
Speaker 14: But here's the thing, for anyone who understands even a
37:11
Speaker 14: little bit about finance, if they did that, they probably
37:15
Speaker 14: those multiple property owners would probably incorporate themselves, at which
37:20
Speaker 14: point you can deduct off the expenses if you're part
37:22
Speaker 14: of a company.
37:23
Speaker 11: So it may not even work. So I mean, to me,
37:27
Speaker 11: that is what.
37:29
Speaker 14: You'd call just a sort of a totemic gesture where
37:34
Speaker 14: we don't like rich multiple property owners and we're going
37:38
Speaker 14: to do something about it.
37:39
Speaker 2: And they've always hated negative gearing been part of their
37:43
Speaker 2: class warfare.
37:44
Speaker 14: Well, you know they hate negative gearing like they you know,
37:48
Speaker 14: a pro Palestine. If you then actually ask them to
37:51
Speaker 14: give me a few paragraphs about why they hate negative gearing,
37:55
Speaker 14: they probably would find a difficult Oh, we have.
37:58
Speaker 2: Nothing against property owners, nothing against Jews, it's all they Here's.
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Speaker 11: The most important point.
38:04
Speaker 14: I mean, how negative gearing works is that it subsidizes renters.
38:08
Speaker 11: Right, it's right. If you don't have negative gearing, rents
38:13
Speaker 11: will go up.
38:14
Speaker 14: Now, why would the Greens and why would labor support
38:18
Speaker 14: its abolition? It just seems extremely well, it's just bizarre.
38:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I just want to finish on inflation.
38:25
Speaker 2: We saw the IBA governor Michelle Bullock this week say that, yep,
38:29
Speaker 2: we might see an CPI figure the following day with
38:32
Speaker 2: the two in front of it. We did, of course,
38:34
Speaker 2: two point seven percent. But she made the point that
38:37
Speaker 2: the inflation battle is an over rate cut. Well, she said,
38:42
Speaker 2: you know, inflation won't get to the target range until
38:44
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty five, won't be sustainable until
38:47
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, so we're not really looking at a
38:50
Speaker 2: rate cut anytime soon. But do you think her message
38:54
Speaker 2: was particularly tough as a warning to the market. So
38:58
Speaker 2: you know she wasn't going to raise rates, but the
39:00
Speaker 2: second next best thing was to was to have a
39:03
Speaker 2: tough warning about it.
39:05
Speaker 11: I don't think they are going to raise race.
39:07
Speaker 14: I mean I've become a real fan of Michelle's I
39:11
Speaker 14: mean that's better than watching a soap opera watching her
39:13
Speaker 14: pres cos she's very good.
39:15
Speaker 11: She's getting better, and I mean one of the new.
39:20
Speaker 14: Adjectives that was coming into her discussion was sustainable. Now
39:26
Speaker 14: it seems to me what that's saying is that they
39:29
Speaker 14: might get one quarter within the range two to three percent,
39:33
Speaker 14: But it sounds to me that they'd have to get
39:36
Speaker 14: two quarters at least within that range, and that if
39:40
Speaker 14: you kind of know when the figures are coming out,
39:42
Speaker 14: that's more than six months away. So the likelihood I
39:46
Speaker 14: think of a cash rate cut before the election is
39:49
Speaker 14: now pretty low.
39:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Prime Minister will be pretty disappointed with that,
39:53
Speaker 2: because that's the political platform he was hoping for her
39:56
Speaker 2: to then call the election. He wanted a rate cut
40:00
Speaker 2: done enough on cost of living. Judith Sloane really appreciate
40:02
Speaker 2: your time, Thank you, sir, Charry. Now still to come,
40:05
Speaker 2: the migration headaches just keep coming for labor with international
40:08
Speaker 2: student visa appeals skyrocketing, I'll talk.
40:12
Speaker 3: About that with the panel next.
40:13
Speaker 2: Plus could Donald Trump face a third assassination attempt? We'll
40:17
Speaker 2: cross live to the US a bit later.
40:23
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
40:23
Speaker 2: Well, plenty more to speak about, so let's bring in
40:25
Speaker 2: now Darren Barnett to Julia Gillard's former press secretary and
40:29
Speaker 2: LNP Senator James McGrath. Great to see you both. Let's
40:33
Speaker 2: start with Kim Williams, the ABC chair. Look, he's given
40:36
Speaker 2: a big speech where he called out fake news and misinformation,
40:41
Speaker 2: yet still hasn't taken action to remove the abcne's own
40:46
Speaker 2: fake news, the Heston Russell doctor audio scandal. Here's what
40:51
Speaker 2: Kim Williams said last night.
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Speaker 15: The world is in the middle of a crisis of
40:56
Speaker 15: mistrust of information. Our devices are a wash with this
40:59
Speaker 15: fake news. People are on edge about what is real
41:04
Speaker 15: and it is producing a radical mistrust of mainstream news
41:07
Speaker 15: sources too.
41:10
Speaker 2: James, how can he stand there and speak about fake
41:13
Speaker 2: news when the ABC is dealing with its own fake
41:17
Speaker 2: news saga that it hasn't properly apologized for.
41:23
Speaker 16: It's a classic case of do as I say not
41:26
Speaker 16: as I do. The latest chairman of the ABC will
41:30
Speaker 16: soon realize that he is powerless to do anything about
41:34
Speaker 16: that organization. It is a giant blob that just wants
41:38
Speaker 16: to dominate anything in everything. But I am going to
41:41
Speaker 16: give him one call out and this will surprise your
41:43
Speaker 16: viewers who know I'm a big critic of the ABC.
41:45
Speaker 16: He did say he wants to see an end of
41:48
Speaker 16: activist journalism. Well that's nice to dream, but let's see
41:53
Speaker 16: if he delivers on that. He hasn't delivered on Hesson Russell.
41:56
Speaker 16: He's probably not going to deliver that, and also so
41:58
Speaker 16: he needs to buckle up and deliver.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Darren, I think keep your mouth
42:02
Speaker 1: shut to be brially honest that if you're running a
42:05
Speaker 1: media organization, there are always going to be people who
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Speaker 1: agree with what you do. Others who don't agree with
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Speaker 1: what you do. They have some form that you've just
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Speaker 1: spoken about. Just don't go there. It's not necessary. So
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Speaker 1: just talk about something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, don't go though as a virtue signaler while
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Speaker 2: you're dealing.
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Speaker 3: With your own mess.
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Speaker 1: It just makes you a target and creates a day
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Speaker 1: of news about the ABC, which is unhelpful. So don't
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Speaker 1: go there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and look, the Heston Russell saga is continuing
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Speaker 2: because it still hasn't been dealt with. Let's turn to
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Speaker 2: the reports today that our court systems are about to
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Speaker 2: be swamped by international students who are appealing against the
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Speaker 2: cancelation of their visas. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal is reportedly
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Speaker 2: already being bogged down with review applications nearly five thousand
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Speaker 2: lodged in July and August this year. James, there's almost
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Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand foreign students in the country at the moment,
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Speaker 2: So you know, can our courts, can.
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Speaker 3: Our country afford to deal with it?
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Speaker 2: Looks like our migration levels are going to be higher
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Speaker 2: than the government forecast.
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Speaker 16: Tony Burke is starting to make Andrew Giles look like
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Speaker 16: a competent minister. This is something that should scare all Australians.
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Speaker 16: As Peter Darton said today, it is the modern version
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Speaker 16: of the boat arrivals. What's going to happen is these
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Speaker 16: international students who are lodging over two thousand appeals a
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Speaker 16: month are going to be used by lawyers to play
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Speaker 16: the system. This is going to go on for months
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Speaker 16: and years. We've got seven hundred thousand of them in
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Speaker 16: Australia thanks to places like the University of Sydney who've
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Speaker 16: used them as cash cows. So this is another immigration
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Speaker 16: mess of the labor parties making.
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Speaker 2: Look, that was a fascinating new political attack line. Darren
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Speaker 2: from Peter Darton today he was in wa and he said,
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Speaker 2: this is the new version of boat arrivals.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about that.
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Speaker 1: Let's wait and say, we have to see what happens
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Speaker 1: in the AAT and through other types of appeal, but
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Speaker 1: certainly the numbers are staggering. The numbers of international students
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Speaker 1: are very high. The cuts are also very high, so
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Speaker 1: we're going to have to wait and see how the
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Speaker 1: system plays out. I'm not sure that people have the
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Speaker 1: same general attitude towards international students as they do towards
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Speaker 1: boat arrivals. But still any blowout in migration in the
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Speaker 1: current climate in the lead up to the election, because
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Speaker 1: it then feeds into cost of living, it feeds into
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Speaker 1: interest rates, it feeds into supermarket prices. So it's an
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Speaker 1: issue that Labour needs to contain and they need to
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Speaker 1: be seen to be keeping a lid on it.
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Speaker 2: And there's no question that the big Australia migration issue
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Speaker 2: is going to be one of the main political issues
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Speaker 2: that will be fought over ahead of the next election. Now,
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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on this negative gearing
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Speaker 2: debate that's been front page news this week. James, the PM,
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Speaker 2: clearly was happy to keep this lightly on the table.
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Speaker 2: He didn't categorically rule it out. Do you think it'll
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Speaker 2: buy him votes with the younger demographic that would make
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Speaker 2: up for the one point two million Australian too.
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Speaker 3: Negatively gear their properties.
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Speaker 16: Won't make him any votes at all. And in fact
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Speaker 16: I would love him to try and play along with
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Speaker 16: negative gearing because we'll make the next election a referendum
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Speaker 16: on that, because so many people in Australia want to
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Speaker 16: be able to buy their own home, but they also
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Speaker 16: want to buy an investment property and they use negative
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Speaker 16: gearing to do that. What this week has actually shown
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Speaker 16: is the Prime Minister, who quote unquote said I'm not
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Speaker 16: the Treasurer, you'll have to ask him, is actually just
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Speaker 16: not across the detail when it comes to anything to
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Speaker 16: do with economic policy, which is the main reason we
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Speaker 16: have a federal government. It's to protect our borders and
45:57
Speaker 16: have secure economic policy. It's ALBOINSI call an election and
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Speaker 16: call it on negative gearing, and we'll meet you.
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Speaker 3: You'll run a scare campaign.
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Speaker 16: We'll run a truth campaign. That's what we'll do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt there'll be big political attacks. But Darren,
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Speaker 2: I want to get your take. You're a former Labor
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Speaker 2: government media advisor. Would the Labor Party have wanted this debate?
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of speculation about whether this
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Speaker 2: was a drop, so to speak to the Herald, or
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Speaker 2: a leak.
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Speaker 1: Look, I can't see why you would technically, why you
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Speaker 1: would drop that story when Gym's on a plane to
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Speaker 1: China where he wants to talk about a bunch of
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Speaker 1: other things, including removing tariffs on seafood and other very
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Speaker 1: important matters for trade. You would not drop that story
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Speaker 1: when your main economic person is out of the country. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: how did it come out? Is it something that is
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Speaker 1: it a good journo get or is it a leak?
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Speaker 1: We don't know the answer to that, but certainly the
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Speaker 1: conversations I had today, it was not planned to be
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Speaker 1: on the front pages today, particularly with the very favorable
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Speaker 1: numbers on inflation that came out yesterday. It should have
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Speaker 1: been a clean, good news day and a good news story. Instead,
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Speaker 1: Labor created its own ski campaign on what was otherwise
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Speaker 1: a good media day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that makes sense to me. Darren Barnett,
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Speaker 2: James McGrath. Great to see both of you. Now, coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break, we'll go live to Washington. The
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Speaker 2: latest celebrity to weigh into the debate will be Goldberg.
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Speaker 3: This time we'll give you all of that news next.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go live to the United States.
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Speaker 16: Now.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by the Australians Washington correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam,
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Speaker 2: great to see you. Look, after two failed assassination attempts,
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Speaker 2: there is a risk that Trump could be targeted again.
47:47
Speaker 2: There are concerns about his security and now we're learning
47:52
Speaker 2: via media reports that there are briefings that potentially there
47:56
Speaker 2: are threats from Iran.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell us, Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Certainly, Look, they've there've recently been some statements from US
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Speaker 17: intelligence officials and also from the Trump campaign that there's
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Speaker 17: been another at least planned attempt on Donald Trump's life.
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Speaker 17: There was a plot that's been foiled, and as you said,
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Speaker 17: it was by Iran. It's not clear whether this is
48:16
Speaker 17: the same plot that was reported back in July, after
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Speaker 17: the actual assassination attempt, of course at Butler, Pennsylvania. So
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Speaker 17: it's not sure whether this is a fourth attempt, if
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Speaker 17: you like, but certainly there's there's a really a huge
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Speaker 17: risk around Trump's life. I mean, you really have to
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Speaker 17: give the man credit, I think for his kind of
48:31
Speaker 17: bravery and the way he's handled it all since you know,
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Speaker 17: since July, I mean there's basically been two actual attempts,
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Speaker 17: and then there's all these other planned foiled ones, including
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Speaker 17: from Iran. So yeah, look, I mean you'd have to
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Speaker 17: say that, you know, the prospect that there's another serious
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Speaker 17: attempt on his life before the fifth of November is
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Speaker 17: very real.
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Speaker 2: There's also accusations that would be Goldberg on the view,
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Speaker 2: could be accused of inciting violence.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell us what's happened?
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Speaker 17: Uh, well, it's actually the first I've heard about Woopi
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Speaker 17: Goldberg Zerry.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you can play it to you. Let's play it.
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Speaker 3: Let's play you what happened here? It is? Have a look.
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Speaker 8: Then he just wouldn't He's like a bug.
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Speaker 11: He just kept being there. Who's like a like a
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Speaker 11: bug right there?
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Speaker 2: So you felt, Yeah, So she's mocking the assassination attempt
49:27
Speaker 2: on Trump at him.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, this is hardly a surprise from you know,
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Speaker 17: from that show and from that group of women. I mean,
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Speaker 17: they're extremely anti Republican, extremely anti Trump. But actually, I
49:38
Speaker 17: don't think it really hurts Trump, to be honest. I mean,
49:41
Speaker 17: I think when they come out and say things like that,
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Speaker 17: and they you know, they praise Democrats, I think it's
49:46
Speaker 17: a reminder to ordinary American voters that it's the wealthy people,
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Speaker 17: the celebrities that tend to support Democrats, and I don't
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Speaker 17: think that's really a help at all for Democrats. So look,
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Speaker 17: I don't think it hurts Trump. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 17: of course, it goes to their character, but I don't
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Speaker 17: think it, you know, it hurts.
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Speaker 9: Trump at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course we saw a lot of Hollywood
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Speaker 2: stars earlier this week come out in support of Kamala
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Speaker 2: as well. Adam Crichton, thank you for your time. I'll
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Speaker 2: see you Monday at eight pm. And here's Paul Murray