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Wait.....Is All Sin REALLY Equal? · Unashamed Table Talk

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: All right, you're you've been reading this book about some really disgusting, inappropriate, gross things.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like um that sounds terrible.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: First off, I love it that you've been reading because we know it hadn't been actually you reading.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it wasn't on a book or bugs money or anything, so you know it's not my reading.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have been reading, it's a terrible book, actually.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I don't want to say what the book is because I I really don't recommend it.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it is a book that is written by a sexual assault victim that is extremely graphic.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: The only reason I don't want to share it is because it's extremely graphic and I don't think that it's good for most people to read, probably.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think that had it been written better and with more sensitivity, I guess, that I would I would love to recommend it because I think that people need to know the truth of what's in the book, but it's written in such a graphic way that I don't recommend it, if that makes sense.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: But the whole point of that is it started conversations about the somebody someone says, and you hear it all the time, not just someone, lots of people say, you know, sin is sin, and that all sin is the same.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say I disagree with that.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that all sin is the same.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: So what do you think?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think all sin is the same?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: I really think it's a hard question to answer.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so like to me when I think about the word sin, sin is anything that goes against what God tells us to do.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: Or not to do.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: Or not to do.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Either one.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: So sin is something that hurts the Lord because it doesn't line up with what he's called us to do.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's not this if it was just about you and me, I can hurt your feelings or tick you off or whatever.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um but when we when we take that word sin to me, it implies that it is against God.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: And God doesn't like any sin.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: So if I lie to you, I sinned because God tells us not to lie.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: If I robbed a bank, it's sin.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: If I murdered someone, it's sin because every bit of that goes against God and it all hurts him.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: It all hurts him because at the end of the day, it's going against what he's called us to do.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: So part of me says sin is sin.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: The other part of me says it all I think it all hurts God the same, but I think that uh the consequences to sin is what's different.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, if I lie to you, it's the consequences are bad, but they're not as horrible as if I kill somebody.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like it affects more people.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: So then it's like, well, is this one sin worse than the other?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I guess it is in a way, because the consequences are worse.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I think even I think the hurt of sin is worse too.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because, okay, so I have a lot of reasons behind this.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: First off, one, we're created in the image of God, which means the same emotions that we have, though we don't control them like he does, I believe are similar to his.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: We're created in the same, we're we're in his image, and sin hurts us differently.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: So if you lie to me, yeah, it's gonna make me mad.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: But if you betray me or hurt me or hurt my kids or my grandkids, that's a whole nother level.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, like, I mean, we've talked about this before, not necessarily on the podcast, but church hurt hurts worse than regular hurt.
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  SPEAKER_02: When someone in authority and who is close to you, who you trust, when they hurt you, it's a different level of hurt than if a stranger just lies to you or steals your flowers off your front porch.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't believe it's the same.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think that yes, I agree 100% that all sin separates us from God.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Romans 6 23, for the wages of sin is death.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: There is no distinguishing between a little sin and a big sin.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: All sin, the the wages of all sin is death, right?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: I absolutely believe that.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I do not believe that all sin are the same.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, what do you think the one sin is?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: Is there sin that God won't forgive?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I think that scripturally, and I'm probably quoting this wrong, but it's grieving the Holy Spirit, denying the Holy Spirit, that's the only thing that isn't forgivable.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I would say that that even that is forgivable as long as you're not taken out dead.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Not trusting in Jesus is the only unforgivable sin.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: And did you say unless you're not what'd you say?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: Unless you're taking out dead.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, unless you're not, unless you're taking out dead.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Once it's once you're dead, it's it's you're dead.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: Dead.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, takes you out.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: But like, I mean, I think, you know, even we hear I hear uh talking about we quote things all the time, you know, which is stupid.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: We shouldn't do that.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because where where does it say that in scripture?
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I always want to say.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: Where does it say that in scripture?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: And if you can't tell me, then I'm just not gonna probably believe you.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: And the same thing goes for me because I'm just as guilty.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: But like, where does it say it in scripture that grieving the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or denying Christ is the only unforgivable sin.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because I denied Christ for a long freaking time before I stopped denying Christ, and it's been forgiven, right?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: So as long as you're still alive, you have a chance to be told the truth, to repent, and to believe and trust in the Lord Jesus as your savior.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right or wrong?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Is that right or wrong?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I agree.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think so I think the the sin, the only sin that's unforgivable is that not accepting him as your savior.
• 6:57
  unknown: Right.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: So if you don't accept him as savior, you've just denied him and you've turned your back on him, and that's the only one that's not forgiven, because if I don't if I don't accept him as savior and I die, then I'm going to hell.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: If I was forgiven, then I'd be in heaven.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, yeah, I agree.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: And actually, I was looking that up at Mark chapter 3, verse 28 and 29.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, this is Jesus speaking, and he says, I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven.
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  SPEAKER_03: But anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is a sin with eternal consequences.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: He told them this because they were saying he's possessed by an evil spirit.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: He's listening.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean, and that verse right there, it says this is a sin with eternal consequences, and we know by scripture the only sin that has eternal consequences of going to hell is not accepting him as Lord and Savior, right?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think too.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean, I think we agree on that.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only sin that's not forgiven, which gets into.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, sometimes I hate to bring up certain things because it just opens up a can of worms.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's open up all the cans of worms.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: One thing that um I have been asked many times, and I bet you've been asked the same thing as is suicide.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: If someone commits suicide, are they gonna go to heaven?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: You heard that before?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: I have been asked that, and I've heard a lot of controversy on that.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so I would love to know your opinion, and I have my opinion, and I don't know if they're the same, to be honest.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: So, all of you in podcast world, you're about to hear if we agree or disagree, and sometimes we agree and sometimes we disagree.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I believe that they will be in heaven if they know Jesus as their savior.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, then we agree.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's not nearly as fun.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: I like it when we disagree, we don't hardly disagree.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: I I think that we are going to disagree and then we don't sometimes, so yeah.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with you.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think that if you truly know the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior, regardless of how you die, you will be in the presence of a holy God when you take your last breath.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I believe.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because look, if sin separates us from the Lord while we're here on this earth, when I am in sin, then it hinders my relationship with the Lord, but it doesn't take away my salvation.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe scripture teaches that.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, I got my Jeep back today.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: My old Jeep, a lot of you don't know that I have this old Jeep, it's very precious to me.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: My friend Jeannie makes fun because on my screensaver on my phone, which y'all can't see this, I'm showing it to BJ.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody else has pictures of their grandkids.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: I have a picture of my Jeep.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because it's old and since the COVID was like five years old.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I've always wanted to restore it and it's expensive, and so it's been little pieces at a time.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so, anyways, today I got my Jeep back.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: Where has it been?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: First off, I didn't even know where it's been.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's been at well, I've had it in, you know, it's been parked in my shop forever, got it painted and did all these things to it, and it looks pretty, but I didn't get to drive it hardly any last summer because it had some mechanical problems that I was afraid to drive it because it might make it worse and cost more money.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so it just set.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, so I mean the sticker on it went out in 23.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: So that tells you how long it's been setting, which I may or might have not have, maybe.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I've seen you drive it since 23, so that's not exactly a good sign.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the which is a sin to break the law.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Denise is a sinner if you did not know.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: All sins are not the same.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: See, driving an illegal Jeep is not the same.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: She got me.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: All sins are the same.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Consequences.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but so my stickers out, that's a sin, right?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, technically it's also kind of dumb.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like bought it up.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: But regardless, if something has happened to me today out there driving that Jeep, right?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: No top, no doors on, if I'd flipped over, if I've been killed today, I promise you, I'm a sinner, and I promise you there's been sins that's happened today.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: There's been thoughts that's gone through my mind.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's things that yesterday or whatever that I've not asked forgiveness for.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: If I've died today, I'm still still going to heaven because that sin separates me and my relationship with the Lord, but it doesn't take away my salvation and that commitment.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so I believe the same thing with suicide or any other sin.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: We have sinned the man on the cross next to Jesus.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, Jesus looked at him and said, Today you will be with me in paradise.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't walk down an aisle and kneel and pray, he didn't say a certain sinner's prayer, even, you know, he didn't do any of that.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't say, Oh, God, forgive me for all and start naming off all of his sins.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: He went to heaven because Jesus knew that he believed that he was who he said he was.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: And he went to heaven.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't believe that Jesus is who he says he is, if you deny him, that's the sin that's not forgiven.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's the sin that has eternal consequences to it, not the others.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: The others just separate and they harm our relationship with Christ.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so okay, so I a little bit disagree with that because all of those sins will keep you out of heaven.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: All of them will.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you haven't accepted Christ as Savior.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you hadn't accepted Christ, yeah.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not the but the so all of them are unforgivable if they're unforgiven.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: If you've not accepted Christ.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying the man on the cross.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because he believed, he didn't have to sit here and name off all of those sins.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: He didn't have to go through all that to get to heaven.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: He just had to believe.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: As long as you believe and you've accepted Christ as your savior, all of the other stuff can be forgiven.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: And even if you haven't asked, if you die in the middle of your sin, you're still going to heaven.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Just trying to make the point that a person who commits suicide, suicide, I believe, is a sin.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: It goes against what God's called us to do.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't want us to commit suicide.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: But if we commit that sin, we're we're dead.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't mean that because we didn't get to ask forgiveness first, that we're not going to go to heaven.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with all of that.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: I also, you know, you also hear, you know, and there's controversy in this too, talking about, you know, you have to well, exactly what you're saying, about asking for forgiveness and that unrepentant sin is not forgiven.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that I think that there is a point scripturally that we are we are commanded to forgive and to repent.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Period, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like we have to we have to forgive others, we have to ask for forgiveness, we have to repent of our sin.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: We're commanded to do that, but I don't believe, as I think what you're saying, is that we are not going to be held accountable for sins that we have not yet acknowledged or repented of as far as making it through the pearly gates.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll chase one.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think of one as you're speaking, and then you say something else, and then I'm going down here, and now I done forgot where that rabbit went.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: A while ago, I had, you know, I'm getting old, I can't remember them all.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: But so you're saying you think that if I don't ask forgiveness for my sins and I die, that I'm not gonna have consequences to them when I get to heaven, or there will be consequences when I get to heaven.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't think that if I don't understand all of the things scripturally about the consequences of sin and forgiveness and the the grace of forgiveness.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: I can't even wrap my mind around that.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think that there are scriptures that hint that we are going to be accountable for the things that we do and don't do, whether we're saved or not.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that, and again, I can't wrap my mind, my my finite human mind cannot wrap my mind, cannot wrap around the idea of how I'm gonna get grace and consequences for my sin.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know that Jesus Christ paid the full consequences for my sin.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so again, like I can't I can't even fathom that, but I do 100% believe that I will not be sentenced to eternity separated from God to a fiery hell because I have unrepented sin, if I am truly a believer of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right, I agree.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I heard a preacher one time, I don't remember where or when, but always I don't I wish you could see this on video because I'm looking at Denise and just our facial expressions as we're trying to navigate this, it just is very comical.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sorry, podcast world, you don't get to see it, but it's funny one day, maybe soon.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: So this pastor though, he said that one of the things that he um I guess dreaded the most was like okay, so you believe when we get to heaven we'll know all things, like everything will be made clear to us.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I do think that.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that it's gonna be instant like ta-da, I know all things.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it may be a process.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we got whole eternity to figure out some things, right?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're gonna have conversations and I think some things are gonna make instant sense.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, oh, I get that now, but maybe not all things.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm not sure.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I feel like and again, here I am for them to say something that I can't turn to the scripture right now and tell you where I've read it before, but I believe that when we get to heaven, um all things are gonna be made known to us.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: How that's gonna happen, I don't know.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but this particular pastor, he said he felt like that when we get to heaven that the Lord is going to that there are gonna be consequences, right?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: There's gonna be consequences to our sin.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: And um they're gonna we're everything's going to be made known.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know that there's the scripture about you know what's done in uh secret or whatever will come to light, right?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: And so some of it's gonna come to light here on this earth, but some of it may not come to light until you're in heaven.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: But regardless, whatever you did in the darkness, it is all going to come to light.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like the Lord knows all those things.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so as he was talking, he said, the one that he hates, that he dreads the most is for the Lord to the Lord to point out all of these people that he had an opportunity to tell them about Christ and He didn't.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I've never forgotten that.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: I I thought, how many people would be lined up that God gave me the opportunity to tell them about him, and like and I chose not to.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm not talking about just going out and about and you just see people all day long and not stopping them.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not talking about that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm talking about when the Holy Spirit puts it on your heart to tell somebody something, uh, to share the gospel with them or to pray with them.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you know what I mean?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: When you know the Lord is your savior, the Holy Spirit He tells us to do things, he impresses on our heart to do things.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: And when we ignore that, the spirit, that's like grieving the spirit, right?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're ignoring that.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I think, like this preacher, what he was saying was like those opportunities that he gave us, and we were too chickened or inconvenienced or whatever it was, and we didn't do that, that like they're gonna be we're gonna be held responsible.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, you know, I know it's not gonna be like this, but it's almost like in my mind, I remember saying it's like gonna be a a TV screen or something going on.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Jumbotron.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: I bastard the jumbotron up there, all of it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: And just name it all, look at all them people.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Remember, you remember PD Dog your heart to tell that person and you didn't?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought, oh my gosh, how many times um have I not followed through because of inconvenience?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I don't know, I don't know.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I like the visual of that in a conviction kind of way to spur me on to not miss opportunities.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I would question the reality of that, and and I don't know, I don't know the answer to that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: I do believe that there is some level of accountability to our sin, but at the same time, if Jesus's blood paid for all of my sin and wiped away my debt, then there is no debt to be accountable to.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: So again, wrapping my mind around the grace and forgiveness and accountability and the justness of God, I can't, right?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I also have a hard time.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Again, maybe I just want to love Jesus and grace an abundance, but I have a hard time that I'm gonna get to Heaven, and I'm gonna get nothing but the things I failed to do because there's been so many times, like I have a very specific memory.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: I know we've talked about this before, but I was with my dad at Catfish King, and the Lord kept telling me to pray with my dad.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And at that time, my dad was not yet a believer.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: My dad was one of the most vilest men ever known to man, and the it's it's just awful.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: And but I know God was telling me to pray with my dad, and I was too chicken to do it, and I and I left there so beat down because I failed.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: I knew God was telling me to do that, and it was probably I don't know, I don't know how long, three days or three weeks later, I don't know how long it was.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: He gave me another opportunity to pray with my dad, and I didn't chicken out, and so I think that where that grace upon grace upon grace is that yeah, you might not have paid for the gas of the gas pump like you felt like the Lord was leading you to, but he is so good in his mercies that he will always give you another opportunity to redeem that, and it's never gonna make up for all the things that you didn't do that you were supposed to do, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because we can't, but I believe that God can very easily send somebody else, and so in that you're missing a blessing in what you missed out on, but I don't believe that that person isn't gonna be in heaven today because you were silent.
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  SPEAKER_02: The rocks will cry out if you're silent.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't need your voice, he doesn't need you to wipe out your debit card at the gas pump or to even pray with a sinner at Catfish King.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Someone else can do it.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: You get the honor and the blessing and the privilege to do it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I just think that maybe, and I could be wrong, but I think on the jumbotron, when we get to heaven, might be a whole bunch of ugly.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: And if it shows anything I've done in my life, it's gonna be a whole bunch of ugly.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, once one thing though, I want to back up, and I did not mean mean it in a way like if there was these people up there that I didn't tell about Christ, like they didn't go to heaven because I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's not what I meant.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: God's God does show grace, and He is gonna give that person opportunity.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh, he gave me a cajillion opportunities, right?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_03: So, and still does every day.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I not that is not saying that they're gonna go to hell because I didn't tell them.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it was more of look at the missed opportunities, you know.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: But one of the things you said was, I don't feel like when I get to heaven, it's gonna be nothing but the things we failed at, is what you said.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe that either.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: I believe that we're going to see that even in our merits and the things that we do, that we read scripture where it talks about wood, hay, and stubble, right?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: And and we read scripture where we're going to get crowns, and those crowns are gonna be given to us for the good things that we did, that we did it out of true love and for Jesus, and it wasn't for selfish reasons or whatever, and then we take those crowns and we hand them back to the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know necessarily either that we're gonna sit here and have a whole list of all these things that we did wrong, but at the same time, the Bible does say that what is done in secret, it will come to the light.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are with we are going to get to heaven and we are going to have to answer for all of that to be true.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: How it all comes about and how it exactly looks, I don't know.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: But I have chosen to accept Christ as my savior, and we have been given a responsibility.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: And it goes along through scripture that you shared earlier, me and you were just talking that uh I don't remember what the reference was.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: You got it?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's uh John 19, 11, and it's basically is that the one?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: Not that one.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's when it are talking.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's the one that says basically when when much has been given.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I think is that from Luke 1247?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Let me look.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have it pulled up.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have it open?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh no.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that is it.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Mark 11th.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got 1247.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: When you know, when God has given you truth, and when you know what you're supposed to do and you don't follow through, you're you're responsible to do it because you know right and wrong.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so you're gonna be held accountable to those things.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: So it's Luke 12, 47, 48.
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  SPEAKER_02: The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Verse 48.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: For everyone, from everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded, and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked, which implies that the ones that have been given little will have smaller consequences, basically.
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  SPEAKER_03: So to me, Jesus came, he died on the cross for our sins before we were ever even born.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: He already paid the penalty for our sins that we had not even committed yet.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: He knows what sins we he knew what sins we were going to commit, and he are he's already forgiven them.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's already died for for them.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_03: Us not asking forgiveness and us not living the way we're supposed to, it goes to me, goes back to what you said earlier.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: It hinders us and our relationship with Christ, and we're not experiencing all the blessings God wants to give us because we're our relationship with Christ is hindered.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I just want to add to you know, we've talked about the kind of wrapping it back up to where we started on this conversation is are all sins measured the same?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think the answer to that is yes.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's my choice of my answer.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: But it does not matter how gross your sin is.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Again, bringing up my dad, literally disgusting human, vile, up until three years before he died.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: And Jesus Christ got a hold of his heart, he genuinely repented, accepted Christ as his savior, and I have zero doubt in my mind that my dad is in heaven today.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: There is no sin that is unforgivable, no matter how gross and how vile, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I also just to kind of close it up and just kind of confirm what we've talked about, I agree with that.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: I also agree that all sin hurts God.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um but every sin, all sin has different consequences.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, and when you say that you say all sin hurts God, I would say again, just to play on words, it doesn't like when I screw up and I sin and I fall short of the glory of God, that doesn't make God less God.
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  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't hurt him like, oh, I did bad, so now God is weaker.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: God is God, God doesn't get weaker or greater with my goodness or my badness, right?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: But it breaks his heart.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think all sin breaks his heart, whether it's a little lie that I told my friend.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't lie to you, by the way.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's just uh, you know, I didn't lie to you either.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: I might one day I might someday.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, I do believe there is a difference in the severity of what you just said.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: The severity of sin and the severity of consequences, and I do believe that some sins hurt God's heart more than other sins.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: I just do.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about that one.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna say one way or the other because I ain't got time to think about it.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it has I think that I think that it has to.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I mean, I don't know.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not God, obviously, but I mean, he gives us the distinguishing of sins against ourselves, like sexual and moral sins, are gonna have stronger consequences.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think they hurt us more, and if they hurt us more, they have to hurt him more.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: It does not, I I cannot grasp in my mind the concept that a little seven or eight-year-old, or let's go to an age of accountability, whatever age that may be, a 16-year-old lying on his math test is not gonna hurt God's feelings as severe as a pervert demon, demonic person raping a five-year-old little girl.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's I just will never believe that it hurts him the same.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: I I mean, I agree with that because I mean it it comes down to like God loves people, right?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Out of all creation, he loves people more than anything else he created.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we hurt ourselves, it hurts him.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: When we hurt others, it hurts him.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so um, yeah, I mean, now you're just going back.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: Look, here's what I do know.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: God's called us to follow him, he's called us, we are all sinners, but he's called us to sin less, right?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: We're not gonna be sinless, but he's called us to sin less.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: I do believe that we are all gonna be held accountable.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: We are all gonna have to answer to the Lord.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: Every knee will bow.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: We are all going to have to see him one day.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so, as far as I'm concerned, I believe that God has called me to live the very best life I can to treat people with respect, to treat people with love, and to be considerate to others, to treat people the way I'd want to be treated, um, to turn the other cheek, to not be rebellious, all of those things.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's what He's called me to do.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Am I always going to do it correctly?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: I am not.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: But I know what I'm supposed to do.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: As Christians, we know what we're supposed to do, and I think that at the end of the day, um, we have to do what God's called us to do the best that we can.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: And when we screw up, we ask forgiveness and we try to learn from it to do better next time.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: And regardless, um, I will answer to the Lord and how I lived my life and what I know.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: And uh it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, and it doesn't matter what I know factually that will happen in heaven or not happen, it really doesn't matter.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: What matters is one day I will answer to him, and I want to answer to him with my head.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh shoot, my head's gonna be down, right?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say my held my head held high, but it ain't because he's the king of kings and lord of lords, and he's rural supreme.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, yeah, I agree with that too.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: So all of that makes it clear as mud.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: And uh what do you think?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: I will what do you think about the consequences of sin and the severity of sin?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Are they the same or are they different?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's the that's the question to ponder.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Get into your word, encourage you, dig into your word, know what you believe and why you believe it, and don't just say things like all sin is the same if you don't know why that is scripturally.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's my challenge for you today.
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