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- 0:07It's six Eastern.
- 0:08It's three o'clock Pacific.
- 0:10This is a president of action, coast to coast and around the world from the America Out Loud Talk Radio Studios.
- 0:16If he says he's serious about something, he means it.
- 0:19It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
- 0:23Well, welcome in to a Friday night.
- 0:26It is the weekend.
- 0:27This week has flown by, hasn't it?
- 0:30Much like January.
- 0:31I don't know where the time is going, and I guess I can say that it right now because I am turning into a sexagenarian this weekend.
- 0:40Turning 60 over the weekend.
- 0:43And I'm thankful.
- 0:44I'm grateful that I'm here.
- 0:45I'm not sure that I ever thought that I would be here, actually, but thank goodness for that.
- 0:50And whatever you're doing this weekend, I hope you have a great weekend.
- 0:53I'm Booker Scott.
- 0:54Let's get into this hour.
- 0:55And coming up here in a few minutes, we're going to meet a young lady named Leslie Bats.
- 1:00And she has an incredible story that she came through in COVID when her husband passed away, and how that happened in a hospital.
- 1:09You're going to hear the story from her in a few minutes.
- 1:11You're also going to hear what she has done about it, because she doesn't just sit around and do nothing.
- 1:18She has used that as motivation to make a difference in this country, and you're going to hear about that coming up in a few minutes.
- 1:25But let's start here in this hour with the Clintons.
- 1:28And they have agreed to testify, finally.
- 1:32You know, the House was going to vote on Wednesday this week whether or not to uh hold the Clintons in contempt.
- 1:39They've been playing those games for months with James Comer and uh other members of the House of Representatives, and uh they have finally said, Okay, we're coming.
- 1:48We're gonna come testify.
- 1:50President Donald Trump was asked about it on Thursday, and here is what he had to say about the Clintons coming to testify in a hearing in Congress.
- 1:59Clinton set deposition deeds to testify before the House Oversight Committee.
- 2:03Any reaction to that really interesting?
- 2:05I think it's a share.
- 2:08I always liked him.
- 2:09Her.
- 2:10Yeah.
- 2:10Well, she was a very capable woman.
- 2:12She was better in debating than some of the other people.
- 2:15I will tell you that she was smarter.
- 2:17Smart woman.
- 2:18I hate to say it in many ways.
- 2:20So I may have been a little bit shocked there when Donald Trump said that.
- 2:25It said I always liked Bill Clinton.
- 2:28Hillary Clinton, eh, not really.
- 2:30But she was smart.
- 2:31He gave her credit, was respectful of her in some ways.
- 2:34I thought that was interesting.
- 2:36Well, they are going to try to spin these facts, the Clintons will.
- 2:40On Tuesday at the 11th hour, their lawyers Jonathan Scladeney and Ashley Callan said their clients accepted the terms of the deposition.
- 2:49And these terms are no different than any other deposition we have held on this case.
- 2:56Even with Republicans like A.
- 2:57G.
- 2:58Bill Barr and Secretary Alex Acosta.
- 3:01This is what the actual Oversight Committee put out on a post.
- 3:05They went on to say why we are not going to debate the meaning of the word quote is, unquote.
- 3:11If you remember that from Bill Clinton's presidency, we're going to answer the uh we are going to get answers for the American people.
- 3:19The full truth.
- 3:20The buck stops here.
- 3:22And that was a response to Hillary Clinton, because this was the post that she put out.
- 3:27This will demonstrate how they have been playing these games.
- 3:30For six months, we engaged Republicans on the Oversight Committee in good faith.
- 3:35We told them what we know under oath.
- 3:38They ignored all of it.
- 3:40They moved the goalposts and turned accountability into an exercise in distraction.
- 3:46Hillary Clinton, the wordsmith, and always spinning things.
- 3:51But now we're going to get to the truth.
- 3:52We'll find out what it is, whatever that is.
- 3:54We don't know, but let's find out.
- 3:57Let's go around to Philadelphia and listen to this city council meeting and listen to this person who took the microphone and spoke to the council and a large crowd there in Philadelphia.
- 4:10Very interesting comment here.
- 4:11Name is John McCauly.
- 4:13I'm with a grassroots organization called Flip Philly Ray.
- 4:16We're here to give something different to Philadelphia, something that y'all are not used to because you've been voting Democrat for the mayor's office for the past 70 years.
- 4:24It's not MAGA who's doing all of the uh carjacking and the shootings when we talk about ice when uh seventy-eight million people, seven swing states including Pennsylvania.
- 4:36We voted for this.
- 4:38We voted for this.
- 4:39We gave a mandate, so I want to sit here and tell U.S.
- 4:42Senator John Fetterman, U.S.
- 4:44Senator Dave McCormick, to vote yes and support HR 7147.
- 4:51I sit here in disgust as I watch Kendra Books, Jamie Gut the Air hold up pictures of a domestic terrorist, Renee Good.
- 5:00I've never seen her put up a picture of the Cara Thompson, a 90-year-old who was raped and murdered by an illegal alien and thrown over a bridge.
- 5:09Thank you for saying that.
- 5:11It's not being said enough, the names of Lake and Riley, Nungaree, all the people that were killed by illegal immigrants, but here in a Philadelphia City Council meeting, you hear this man bring this up.
- 5:23What about this?
- 5:24You're talking about Renee Good.
- 5:26You're talking about Alex Pretti.
- 5:29What about all of these other names?
- 5:31I never seen her put up a picture of Lincoln Riley who was raped and murdered.
- 5:36I never seen her put up a picture of Larissa Thompson, a mother.
- 5:41I named two black women by the way.
- 5:44And y'all sit here and pander to white liberal women like Renee Good.
- 5:49Could you speak on a on the resolution?
- 5:51I'm speaking on all of it.
- 5:52It's my first my first amendment right.
- 5:54I'm gonna speak it all goes hand in hand.
- 5:57Because we wanted to deport 20.
- 5:59We we were we wanted a fund.
- 6:00We want to fund the deport 20 million illegal aliens that was imported in here by the Biden and Harris administration with the help of the cartels.
- 6:09So once y'all stand up for Americans for once.
- 6:13Because America comes first.
- 6:17And they turned his microphone off.
- 6:19And that's a shame.
- 6:20I was enjoying listening to that.
- 6:21That's a good way to go.
- 6:22You want to hear this?
- 6:23Let's remember this.
- 6:24Uh, this is what everybody dodged.
- 6:27We dodged this.
- 6:28This is uh Kamala.
- 6:30We have to stay woke.
- 6:31This is Kamala Harris.
- 6:33This is what we all dodged.
- 6:34It was close.
- 6:35It was within two million votes.
- 6:37We have to stay woke.
- 6:39Like everybody needs to be woke.
- 6:43And you can talk about if you're the wokist or woker, but just say more woke than less woke.
- 6:50Uh, what is she talking about?
- 6:52You can be woke or woker or the wokest, and uh, I don't know.
- 6:56Talk about if you're the wokist or woker, but just say more woke than less woke.
- 7:03Sometimes when I feel like things aren't going as well as I would like them to when it comes to President Donald Trump in the administration, I go back to that.
- 7:13I go listen to Kamala Harris.
- 7:17I pay attention to Tim Walls, and I consider that this country could be there with Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.
- 7:29And it really changes my perspective.
- 7:32So maybe you could use that and do that exercise as well.
- 7:36Just do it every once in a while.
- 7:37You don't have to do it a lot because you can't.
- 7:40You can't listen to Kamala Harris a lot like that.
- 7:44Interesting story about a Chinese syndrome biolab.
- 7:49In a legal bio lab in California, searched by local state and federal authorities back in 2023, and a separate hazardous lab inside Las Vegas garage raided by the FBI this weekend.
- 8:03They are both linked to the CCP-linked Chinese National currently waiting trial for fraud, false statements, and adulteration of medical devices, according to court filings.
- 8:15I'm not going to try to say the guy's name, but he was arrested in 2023 on allegations he was running an illegal biological laboratory in Reedley, California.
- 8:25On Saturday, the FBI and local police raided a similar bio lab in Los Vegas, arresting the home's property manager, Ori Salomon.
- 8:34I can handle that one.
- 8:36It's actually pronounced Solomon, even though it's spelled Salamon.
- 8:39So it's Ori Solomon.
- 8:41Police and lawmakers say the two labs are closely connected.
- 8:45Quote, an illegal bio lab was just raided in Vegas, and it is directly linked to the secret Chinese lab found in California in 2023.
- 8:57That was the words of Representative Kevin Kiley of California.
- 9:01He went on to say that the lab just raided in Vegas was operated by the same LLC and the same Chinese nationals as the one discovered in Reedley.
- 9:12Now, if you go back to this 2023 case, congressional investigators, they believe and allege that the guy that was involved in that one that I didn't want to pronounce his name had significant connections to the Chinese Communist Party apparatus, and allege he ran an illegal laboratory in California that housed approximately 20 types of infectious diseases, samples including HIV, TB, and the deadliest known form of malaria.
- 9:42Now the property in Las Vegas that was rated over the weekend, the ownership records show.
- 9:47It is run by David Destiny Discovery LLC, which is a company registered to Zhu, that guy from 2023.
- 9:56And now in the name of that guy Zhu, his
- 10:00Wife and business partner, joined Wang, I guess, who reportedly fled to China after police began investigating the father of her child back in 2023, around that same time period that that house was raided and Zhu was captured.
- 10:18A superseding indictment in August 2024 also charged both Zhu and Wang with wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud related to their alleged bio scheme.
- 10:31Solomon was arrested Saturday by the Vegas police, and they searched that address in that house in Las Vegas that was run for Zoo.
- 10:41And he was hit with state level felony charge for criminal disposed discharge of hazardous waste.
- 10:48And there was a lot of things found in that house.
- 10:51Just like the other one in 2023, including COVID.
- 10:59Plus COVID.
- 11:00That's what was found in that house in Las Vegas.
- 11:03Why is someone connected to the CCP having a house that is a bio lab in America?
- 11:11You can never trust the Chinese.
- 11:13Scott Bassent, the Treasury Secretary, he testified on Capitol Hill this week.
- 11:18Let's go to maybe one or two of these questions.
- 11:22Very interesting testimony.
- 11:23He was being really the Democrats just went after him.
- 11:28Way too hard.
- 11:28Scott Bassent is way too smart.
- 11:31So let's listen to this.
- 11:34What if anything is are you all doing to address the risk to households of mortgages and other forms of credit becoming unavailable in certain regions of the country due to climate change?
- 11:44Again, uh Congresswoman, are you a familiar with KLW 24?
- 11:50No.
- 11:51It was the uh base for everything that was done with climate and with all the climate proposed climate legislation, and it has been discredited.
- 12:02So everything that FSOC previously did based on climate has been discredited.
- 12:08Who discredited?
- 12:09Uh Nature magazine.
- 12:11Nature magazine has retracted the economic commitment of climate change more than 18 months after first learning that the paper was fatally flawed with authors acknowledging that its errors are too substantial for a correction.
- 12:22I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Nature Magazine.
- 12:24We're relying on a nature magazine to determine public policy.
- 12:27Uh unfortunately, that's what a woman's time.
- 12:30That's our committee.
- 12:33He says that's all we got to go by.
- 12:35Let's go to one more.
- 12:36This is Maxine Waters.
- 12:38You may have seen this one already.
- 12:39It has been going around.
- 12:41It became a viral sensation earlier this week.
- 12:44Your Scott Bissent and Maxine Waters from the state of California.
- 12:49Amen.
- 12:5910 and 20 million emigrants.
- 13:03House them up.
- 13:04Of working Americans.
- 13:05And can you maintain some level of data's time has expired?
- 13:09No, my time has not expected.
- 13:11Your time is inspired.
- 13:12The gentleman's time.
- 13:15We could only be so grateful if her time hadn't expired, wouldn't we?
- 13:20Mr.
- 13:20I think you should recognize that, Mr.
- 13:22Chair.
- 13:23The gentlewoman's time has expired.
- 13:25The gentleman's time's existence.
- 13:29The chair recognizes the vice chairman.
- 13:31Mr.
- 13:32Chairs.
- 13:33Parliamentary inquiry.
- 13:34Let's go right ahead.
- 13:35But I would not expect you to do that.
- 13:38She is from California.
- 13:39Let's stay in California and let's go to a city council meeting.
- 13:43Here is a city council member that wants to change the name of homeless people.
- 13:52That shouldn't shock anybody.
- 13:54I am personally offended by what was presented.
- 13:58Oh.
- 14:00On so many different levels.
- 14:04One thing I would like to see updated is the word homeless to unhoused.
- 14:12Unhoused.
- 14:13Why don't you go ask a homeless person how they feel about that?
- 14:17The left in California, they are nuts.
- 14:20And this is a perfect example of this.
- 14:23City Council meeting.
- 14:24This woman proposes that they change the name of homeless to unhoused.
- 14:30Go ask someone living under a bridge if they care what you call them, whether it's homeless or unhoused.
- 14:36They're not going to be offended by either.
- 14:38They would like a place to live and they would like a meal.
- 14:42This is the stupidity that people in our government deal with.
- 14:48I'm not done.
- 14:54For this to be on him.
- 14:56That's the way our state of California, that's the language that they use.
- 15:00And that's their language we have to use.
- 15:04I'm I'm I'm very tired of a statement.
- 15:07And I know I just want to make sure that she is offended by homeless.
- 15:13Go ask a homeless person.
- 15:15That's where she's to start.
- 15:16One thing about that city council exchange right there.
- 15:20It sounded to me.
- 15:21You remember the skit on Saturday Night Live where they had the two ladies that were doing uh a public broadcast, and they were really prim and proper and nice.
- 15:31That's the way those city council people sounded right there.
- 15:34They sounded just like them.
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- 21:00We are going to have a conversation now that is a little bit different, I think, when you talk about COVID.
- 21:06There was vaccines that injured people and killed people.
- 21:10And I've done shows on that before.
- 21:11But I don't think I've ever done one quite like this.
- 21:14I'm going to invite into the program now, Leslie Bats.
- 21:18Leslie, come on into the program and let's start telling your story.
- 21:22And it's one of uh sadness.
- 21:24And now we see that you are actually doing something with that sadness, putting it to work to try to make a difference in this country and in a state.
- 21:33And that's really what it's all about when you're tossed with something like this in your life.
- 21:37That's all you can do.
- 21:39But Leslie, welcome to the program.
- 21:41Thank you so much.
- 21:41Thank you for having me.
- 21:43Let's go back to when all this started for you.
- 21:45Your motivation for doing what you're doing.
- 21:48Right now, she is trying to get legislation passed in Oklahoma, trying to get a bill done.
- 21:53And that's the way things work in this country.
- 21:56But what took her there is what happened during COVID with her husband.
- 22:01She lost her husband.
- 22:02So let's start there and you tell the story.
- 22:05Yes, sir.
- 22:05Um, back in late September of 2021, my husband went out of town for work.
- 22:10When he came home, he started having symptoms of COVID.
- 22:14Um, we both got sick, but he seemed to take it a little harder, I guess, than my son and I.
- 22:22Um, and it got to the point where we were, it was pretty obvious he needed to see a doctor.
- 22:27And because we were in a rural part of Oklahoma, there weren't a lot of, you know, urgent care centers or critical type care centers that weren't hospital affiliated.
- 22:39So we went ahead and took him to the emergency room, and I expected him to get some oxygen and a breathing treatment, maybe some medications and send him home.
- 22:47Instead, I received a phone call from one of the nurses saying that he was being transferred to a level three ICU about an hour away.
- 22:57And it didn't really make a whole lot of sense because he had walked into the hospital, you know.
- 23:01Um, he wasn't, he'd gotten up, gotten dressed, he wasn't in any acute distress.
- 23:06And it happened that fast, just a few hours.
- 23:09Well, yeah, he I mean, he he just wasn't in my experience with respiratory illness, he wasn't bad.
- 23:19He just seemed to not be oxygenating well.
- 23:23He wasn't short of breath, he wasn't cyanodic or you know, lips blue or anything like that.
- 23:27He just had a low oxygen saturation.
- 23:29So when I have a little experience in respiratory, because I think your mom, is it your mother that had uh that as well?
- 23:38Yeah, she had respiratory failure, and I took care of her for three years.
- 23:41So I had seen, you know, what happens when you put a patient on a ventilator and what it looks like when someone's in acute distress from from breathing problems.
- 23:50Um so none of that was the case.
- 23:53I wasn't expecting to get that phone call saying he was going to be transferred.
- 23:57Uh, but they did, and they actually care flighted him with by helicopter.
- 24:05And I asked, why are you sending him by helicopter?
- 24:07Their explanation was that if he decompensates, it's an hour drive by ambulance, so they didn't want to try to intubate him in an ambulance.
- 24:16I said, Well, he's one, he's not anywhere near even considering a ventor.
- 24:21And two, um, he refused.
- 24:25He said, I do not do not let them put me on a vent under any circumstances.
- 24:29Those were my last instructions from him when he got out of the vehicle.
- 24:34So I said, Well, he's not going to be put on a vent.
- 24:37He's already made that clear, and I don't know why you're transferring him.
- 24:43But if he agrees, then you know, I'm not going to dispute it if he feels it's necessary.
- 24:51So as he's being transported, I go ahead and I call the hospital where he's they're moving him to, and I contact the ICU unit, and I explained to the nurse there as he's coming through the doors on the gurney that it needs to be placed on his medical record that he is a DNI or a do not intubate.
- 25:10And she said, Okay, sure, we'll do that.
- 25:13And everything seemed to be okay the first night.
- 25:15I'm getting text messages from him.
- 25:17He thought that the helicopter ride was just the coolest thing, and he was joking around with those guys, and he was stable and there weren't any problems.
- 25:24And when they get him into the room, um, he settles down for the night.
- 25:29I said, Okay, well, we'll talk in the morning the next day on the 10th of October.
- 25:33Everything seems to be going pretty well.
- 25:36You know, he's getting oxygen, he's feeling good.
- 25:39We're talking.
- 25:40They're um giving him a albuterol treatment.
- 25:47And I don't think much of it.
- 25:51So we go to bed that night, get up the next morning, and he doesn't answer his phone on the 11th.
- 25:57Now he's a very early riser.
- 25:59He was always up at four o'clock in the morning, and so it was odd for him not to respond.
- 26:04And I contacted the nurses at the desk, and they said that they had to give him a little something for anxiety.
- 26:10And I said, Well, did was it an Ada van?
- 26:12Because I know that's what they used to give my mother when she was having problems.
- 26:15And they said, Oh, yeah, that that's that's what we had to give him, which is a pill, you know, a single dose, no problem.
- 26:24And by 11:30, I still hadn't heard from him.
- 26:27So I'm starting to get concerned.
- 26:30Um, I receive a text message from him at about noon that says they won't stop asking me about intubation, and I'm starting to lose my cool.
- 26:41Which means he was getting really upset that they were harassing him.
- 26:44That was the last communication I received from my husband.
- 26:48Right at the time that that text message came through, I received a phone call that the when I answered, all I heard was, is this Miss Bats?
- 26:59I said, Yes.
- 26:59And he said, Well, I hope you're vaccinated because your husband's fixing to go on a ventilator for a month and he's gonna be in resp in uh rehab for a year if he survives, and you need to be alive to take care of him.
- 27:11That's well, who is this?
- 27:14And he said, Well, this is the doctor that's treating your husband.
- 27:16I said, Not with that attitude, you're fired.
- 27:19And I said, first of all, he's he's already stated he's not gonna go on a ventilator.
- 27:24Second of all, um I don't know what is happening there, but if you're giving him problems about this, then we have bigger issues because again, at the same time, I've gotten this text message from him saying that they're harassing him about it.
- 27:42So we I hang up with the doctor and I start calling the hospital administrator and the patient care advocate and everybody.
- 27:49I said, Why are you harassing him about this?
- 27:52I said, Anxiety is going to exacerbate the problem if he has one, and he's already giving you the information that he's not going to be intubated.
- 28:01It's supposed to be documented on his medical record that he's a DI.
- 28:05Why are we still talking about this?
- 28:08Um, I get no phone calls back from anyone at the hospital.
- 28:12And I continue to try to reach out to him, and he doesn't answer his phone anymore.
- 28:17He's not responding to text messages.
- 28:19And I'm getting very, very concerned.
- 28:22So I contacted the nurses' station, and their explanation to me was he's eating his dinner and he's watching TV.
- 28:30He just doesn't want to speak to you anymore.
- 28:32He's refusing to talk to you.
- 28:33You didn't buy that at all, did you?
- 28:36I had no idea.
- 28:37Yeah, because he's not answering his phone.
- 28:40I have no way to contact him now.
- 28:42I said, okay, I'm coming to the hospital.
- 28:44I'm coming to get him.
- 28:47And I was told, if you come to the hospital, you'll be arrested.
- 28:53So I'm I'm, you know, I have an eight-year-old son at the time.
- 28:58We have no family there, and I now I have to make a choice.
- 29:00Do I go to jail or and and my son ends up in foster care, or do I hope that my husband can kind of take care of himself and things go a little more smoothly if I can get a hold of someone in administration?
- 29:15Um, I don't hear from him at all the next day.
- 29:19And at about one o'clock in the afternoon, I get a phone call from the doctor.
- 29:23Again, the nurses are telling me he just doesn't want to speak to you.
- 29:27Um, I get a phone call from the doctor saying that my husband has now given consent to intubation and they want my consent.
- 29:34And the first part of the conversation didn't go well.
- 29:38Um, to say the least.
- 29:40I explained to the doctor that again, it's supposed to be on his chart that he's a DNI.
- 29:45If they if he has given consent, then they don't need my consent.
- 29:50And they'll be is this the same doctor that called you the first time that you said you're fired?
- 29:56Or is this a different same doctor?
- 29:58Okay.
- 29:58Same doctor.
- 29:59And I asked him.
- 30:00I asked him, I said, you know, if if he's giving consent, there will be a consent form on the chart, and you don't need my consent.
- 30:06I said, and why are you treating him anyway?
- 30:09I was, you know, I told you you were fired.
- 30:11Yeah.
- 30:12And he said, Well, I'm the only doctor here that can take care of your husband.
- 30:16So if you fire me, um, we have a real problem.
- 30:21And I said, Well, then I'm gonna find another hospital.
- 30:24And he then threatened, well, I say threatened.
- 30:27Um, it became a conversation with if you try to transfer him out of this hospital without a medical order, then um, you're gonna have to pay for it out of pocket.
- 30:38Insurance won't cover it.
- 30:40And I said, then I'll come get him.
- 30:42And he said, again, you'll be arrested.
- 30:44So now my husband is no longer a patient in the hospital.
- 30:47He's a prisoner.
- 30:48Yeah, he's a prisoner.
- 30:50And you know, sometimes I think Leslie, we forget how tyrannical things had gotten back then.
- 30:58It's good it's good to hear the story, but please keep going, tell it.
- 31:02Um, so at that point, I said, Well, I haven't spoken to my husband in over 24 hours.
- 31:07I'm being told he's refusing to speak to me.
- 31:08I said, I am going to call his phone with a video call, and somebody better pick up.
- 31:14And I immediately hung up with the doctor, called on video, and I could see my husband.
- 31:20He's at this point wearing a BIPAP mask, which is like a full face where they force air into a I don't know if you're familiar with the CPAP, but it's basically a full face CPAP.
- 31:32Sure.
- 31:32So instead of just the nose, it covers the nose and the mouth.
- 31:36So I can't understand him.
- 31:38And he looks to put it mildly perturbed.
- 31:42Um, but again, I can't understand what he's saying.
- 31:46I can't see his hands.
- 31:48And the phone is far enough away that he's obviously not the one holding it.
- 31:54The video call lasts for 31 seconds and then it's disconnected.
- 31:59And immediately the doctor calls back and says, Do we have your consent to intubate?
- 32:04I said, No.
- 32:05I said, he's clearly breathing.
- 32:08Um my instructions from him were do not let them put me on a vent.
- 32:14I said, so no, you don't have my consent.
- 32:17And why are you asking for my consent if he's given his?
- 32:22Um, so that conversation again doesn't go well for about 10 or 15 minutes.
- 32:27Let me jump in here real quick, Leslie, because uh maybe some people forget that there were a lot of people dying on ventilators.
- 32:35If you went on a ventilator, it usually was not a good thing.
- 32:39Most of the people that I know of that went on them, they died.
- 32:42And at the very beginning, yeah, 95% mortality rate.
- 32:46Typically what they did was they put you on remdisivere and then they put you on the vent.
- 32:50And the combination of both of those things, it was killing people.
- 32:54And I don't necessarily blame uh medical and doctors because it was a new thing.
- 33:00COVID was new, they didn't really know how to treat it, but they were treating it wrong at the time.
- 33:05So your husband knew enough to know that do not do that.
- 33:09And you knew that too.
- 33:10I was the same way.
- 33:11My oxygen got down to 82.
- 33:13My doctor said go to the hospital.
- 33:15I said, There's no chance.
- 33:16And I asked uh the doctor, I said, Can I ask you, have you had any patients that stayed home?
- 33:22And she said, Yes.
- 33:24Did any of them die?
- 33:25She said, No.
- 33:26And I said, What about the hospital?
- 33:27Have you had patients go to the hospital?
- 33:29Yes.
- 33:29Have any of them died?
- 33:31Yes.
- 33:32I said, I'll stay home.
- 33:33So I I chose to stay home instead of having to go through that when I had COVID at about the same time back in 2021.
- 33:40But I think it's important to understand that both of you knew that if you were on the ventilator, your odds of passing away went up greatly.
- 33:50And he knew that, didn't want to do it, and now you're going to keep telling the story.
- 33:55Yes.
- 33:55Yes.
- 33:56Um, and we did know that.
- 33:58But we assumed we're in a small community, and they're not going to do that here.
- 34:04Right.
- 34:05You you have rights.
- 34:06If you don't want to go be admitted, then you don't have to be admitted.
- 34:10If you don't want to stay in a hospital, you don't have to stay in a hospital.
- 34:13If you don't want to be put on a ventilator, you don't have to be put on a ventilator.
- 34:16That was our mistake.
- 34:18That was our assumption.
- 34:19Yeah.
- 34:20Um so what I learned after the fact, after he passed, I went and got his medical records.
- 34:27And I wouldn't have known anything about what really happened because I wasn't getting the information from the nurses and the doctors.
- 34:34Now you skipped ahead to when he passed.
- 34:36How long was he in the hospital before that happened?
- 34:40Uh he was on, he was in the hospital for just under 10 full days.
- 34:47He walked into the hospital and was dead 10 days later.
- 34:53And from the moment of that video call to the time that he passed away, how many days was that?
- 35:00That was they ventilated him on the 12th, and he passed on the afternoon of the 20th, almost exactly.
- 35:06Okay.
- 35:07So they went ahead and ventilated him.
- 35:09They did.
- 35:10Against your wishes and against his.
- 35:12Yep.
- 35:13Absolutely.
- 35:14Um, so at the time, you know, I I get the phone call back saying, well, he's not, he's on a vent now.
- 35:21No other explanation.
- 35:23I mean, like I said, I have no idea what happened between the time that they put him on the vent and the time that, you know, I get the call back.
- 35:32But as it turns out, so he was ventilated on the 12th of October.
- 35:37On the 14th, because I'm still raising Kane, I have everybody in my family on both sides, his family, my family, trying to get him out of that hospital.
- 35:47Something doesn't feel right, right?
- 35:50It's just this, you know, it's nagging feeling in my gut that there's something wrong.
- 35:56Did you go to Oklahoma City?
- 35:57Was it Oklahoma City?
- 35:58We this was in Tulsa.
- 36:00Tulsa.
- 36:00This was in Tulsa.
- 36:01Yeah.
- 36:02I figured it had to be one of one of those two.
- 36:04Yeah.
- 36:05We actually lived right, it's like smack dab between Oklahoma City and Tulsa, right off of I-44.
- 36:10So they ended up sending him to another hospital in their system, because we were in a very small area, but in the major in the bigger cities.
- 36:20Um at this point, I'm I'm like I said, I am creating as much trouble for this hospital as I possibly can, trying to find out what is happening and trying to get him out of there because again, there's this nagging feeling something's not right.
- 36:37And to, I guess to placate me, the doctor finally calls and said, Would you like to come visit your husband?
- 36:44Now he's on a ventilator at this point.
- 36:47And all of a sudden, in a matter of two days, it went from you'll be arrested to, oh, come on in.
- 36:54Which made no sense to me.
- 36:56But I wasn't going to dispute it because this was my opportunity to see him and find out what was going on.
- 37:02So when I get into the hospital on the 14th, um he looks like he's been in a bar fight.
- 37:09His face is pretty, you know, scraped up.
- 37:12His the there's literally skin hanging off of his nose.
- 37:16And I asked the nurse, I said, What is this about?
- 37:18She says, Oh, well, intubation can be a pretty violent procedure.
- 37:22And I said, No, no, it can't.
- 37:24Not when it's done properly.
- 37:26My mother had been on a ventilator a dozen times, probably.
- 37:30And I had never seen her look like she had been in a bar fight.
- 37:35Um, but that was against them.
- 37:39I know he did.
- 37:39Yeah.
- 37:40I know he did.
- 37:40I know he did.
- 37:41I he literally, I believe, was fighting for his life, trying to get out or get away.
- 37:47Um so things were pretty stable on the ventilator until this the night of the 16th.
- 37:55And then when I came in on the 17th, because I don't know, you know, I'm I'm I'm told I have to leave.
- 38:01Um, I get like two hours to visit, and then I'm told I have to leave.
- 38:05So I came in on the 17th.
- 38:08And now he's on what's called a rhodoprone bed, which is basically he's fully encased in this framework that literally turns him back and forth, you know.
- 38:20So the nurses don't have to come in and turn him.
- 38:23And he's laying face down in this machinery.
- 38:27Um, because they said if they turn him over, he's gonna drown, basically.
- 38:32Yeah, lungsville.
- 38:33Yeah.
- 38:35And I get no explanation why he's on the rotoprone now.
- 38:39Um, but the doctor comes in and asks me to sign a do not resuscitate order.
- 38:44And I said, no.
- 38:48Um he's coming home.
- 38:50There's no doubt in my mind, my husband is going to recover and come home.
- 38:54There's no reason he shouldn't recover and come home.
- 38:58You know, I almost would ask that doctor, what does it matter what I sign?
- 39:01You're gonna do whatever you want to anyway.
- 39:04But I didn't know at the time because I had not spoken with my husband.
- 39:08I didn't know what he agreed to and what he hadn't.
- 39:11Yeah, I got you.
- 39:12So I didn't know, I couldn't guarantee in my heart that he hadn't agreed to this ventilator.
- 39:20I just know he told me not to agree to it.
- 39:24And I was going to stand by that because that was the last information I I had.
- 39:28Um so on the 17th, the doctor starts asking me to sign this do not resuscitate order, and I said, Absolutely not.
- 39:37You will do everything you can to save his life under any circumstances.
- 39:42And his explanation is well, he's on this rhodoprone bed now, and it's gonna take us about 10 minutes to get him out to even start resuscitation efforts.
- 39:51So it's better for him if if we don't even try.
- 39:57I said, Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm I'm not doing that.
- 39:59Um
- 40:00Um hey Leslie, do you have a few more minutes?
- 40:03Sure.
- 40:03Okay, because we're up against the break.
- 40:05We're going to take one.
- 40:06But we were going to continue this conversation.
- 40:09I find it very interesting.
- 40:11It's riveting, in fact.
- 40:13But she's going to take it somewhere.
- 40:15She's going to do some good with this terrible story.
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- 42:21We're visiting with Leslie Bats.
- 42:23She is telling the story of her husband during COVID and how he passed away and how the hospital and the doctors and the medical staffs at the hospital treated him.
- 42:33And let's pick up the story right where we took a break there before the commercials.
- 42:38Yes, sir.
- 42:39Um, so as I said, this at this point he's on the rotoprone bed.
- 42:43They're trying to get me to sign the DNR.
- 42:44I refuse.
- 42:45And what I found out later in the medical records was that the doctor on the 16th, late that evening or that afternoon, apparently he had woken up and extibated himself, pulled the tube out, and they had re-intebated him, which was the necessity for being on this rotoprone bed, was because they induced what's called a pneumomediastinum, which is a is a ventilator lung injury.
- 43:10They had literally blown his lungs out and torn his trachea.
- 43:14And I didn't know any of this.
- 43:15This is why they were trying to push the idea of the DNR.
- 43:19Um, because there wasn't much they could do anymore.
- 43:23What I found out also was that they had the doctor had ordered a overdose.
- 43:30And they had medicated him till he literally had no brain activity.
- 43:34What did he order for an overdose?
- 43:37Um he ordered what's called a RAS negative five sedation goal, which should never be a sedation goal.
- 43:42It's a heavy, heavy sedation for someone on a ventilator.
- 43:47Um, but what ended up happening is is they ordered him at about 250 micrograms of fentanyl an hour, 25 milligrams of medazolam, uh 1.5 milligrams of Presidex uh per kilogram of body weight per hour, um, propofol or um nimbex and rocuronium, which is a paralytic.
- 44:16Um then at one point somebody finally realized that they had literally overdosed until he had no brain activity.
- 44:25They backed off on some of the medications a little bit, and his brain activity was extremely erratic from that point.
- 44:33Um, I think there was a brain injury that had occurred as a result of that.
- 44:39Um again, as you know, as I stated on the 20th, he he passed away.
- 44:45Um but since, like I said, since then, after having received and I didn't know any of this, none of this was told to me.
- 44:54None of it.
- 44:54When did you get the medical records?
- 44:57About 10 days after he passed, I finally received a death certificate, and I was able to go request the medical records.
- 45:05And what I found in the medical records was oh, I mean, it was a horror movie.
- 45:14It it just uh you wouldn't believe it.
- 45:17And and the things that happened were so unbelievable, but not because they weren't true.
- 45:21It's because no sane person would believe that that something like this could happen in a hospital.
- 45:27Hospitals you go to to heal and help.
- 45:31Um, but we had it was all in the records.
- 45:34It was all there.
- 45:37I I only went to go get the medical records because I needed to know that he had given consent for that ventilator.
- 45:45That that was the sole purpose for me going and getting the medical record is I wanted to see that consent form.
- 45:50What did you find?
- 45:52No consent form.
- 45:54Not only no consent form, but none of the documentation for his admission was signed.
- 45:59There was no authorization for treatment at all.
- 46:03They had forged my authorization.
- 46:06And I went back and I looked at my my phone records and I said, I never spoke to anybody.
- 46:10How did they they witness that I was giving authorization at this day and this time when I didn't speak to anybody until a day later.
- 46:20Um, there was no consent form for the intubation.
- 46:23As a matter of fact, when he sent me the text message about them harassing him about the intubation, he had refused to sign the consent forms and thrown the nurse out of his room.
- 46:35And then they were signed medically necessary more than 24 hours later.
- 46:41Um without his signature.
- 46:43No signature.
- 46:44Okay.
- 46:44No signature.
- 46:45There was no signature for the transfer.
- 46:47The transfer documents were forged.
- 46:50Um again, the authorization for treatment when he was admitted to the hospital was not signed by anyone.
- 46:57Um there was nothing.
- 46:59And it it it shocks me to, you know, I kept trying to find, I was trying to prove that this was his wishes, that this was what he had decided to do.
- 47:12Because it didn't make any sense to me.
- 47:14And what I found in the records was when he stopped communicating with me and didn't answer the phone on the morning of the 11th, it was because they had started sedating him.
- 47:24It was they had started with precedex and morphine, sedating him.
- 47:30And while they he was being sedated, I was being told he's just refusing to speak to you.
- 47:36Yeah, and you knew that wasn't true at the time because you knew your relationship, and you also knew that he he didn't want to go through any of this.
- 47:44So he passes away, and now uh it had to be terrible for you to have to deal with the passing of him.
- 47:51And you also have a child.
- 47:53Do you have a child together?
- 47:55And uh so you're picking up the pieces, and somewhere along the way, you decide to pick yourself up and do something about it.
- 48:02What is it that you want to do?
- 48:05What is it that you are doing with a new bill in the state of Oklahoma?
- 48:09What does it have to do with?
- 48:10What are you trying to accomplish?
- 48:12Well, what I found out over the last four years is this story was not unique.
- 48:17As as terrible as it sounds, this happened thousands of times all over the country.
- 48:24And we've, you know, as individuals have kind of found each other.
- 48:28Um, so I started moving forward saying, okay, what do we do about this?
- 48:32Because at the federal level, there is what's called the Prep Act, which gave immunity to anyone who, you know, um used any type of COVID countermeasure.
- 48:42They got this broad sweeping blanket immunity.
- 48:45So there was no recourse for any of us.
- 48:47We all knew that these horrible, horrible things had happened, but we couldn't file a lawsuit because no attorney would take it because they got immunity from the prep act.
- 48:54Nobody would take complaints.
- 48:56I went to try to file police reports.
- 48:58They wouldn't accept the police reports.
- 49:00It happened in a hospital.
- 49:01Doctors don't break the law, basically, was what I was told.
- 49:05Um, and this is criminal.
- 49:08You know, so we've gone through a lot of different processes over the last four years.
- 49:12But what I learned when I is I I actually decided to go back to school and study law after all of this happened because I I know this isn't right.
- 49:21This should not be allowed to happen.
- 49:23And we've got to be able to fight it.
- 49:25But to fight it, you got you kind of have to be on the inside and have the no.
- 49:29Um, so I I went back to school to study law, and that gave me the resources to look up all of the case law and establish that if you're per barred, procedurally barred from filing a claim, then your statute of limitations never starts.
- 49:46And very recently there was a an Oklahoma Supreme Court decision that said abuse, neglect, battery, failure to treat, all of those things, according to the Supreme Court of Oklahoma, fall outside.
- 50:00The liability protection that is offered by the Prep Act.
- 50:05So these things are inexcusable and don't even qualify for Prep Act Community.
- 50:11Has that been challenged at the Supreme Court of the United States yet?
- 50:15No.
- 50:15Okay.
- 50:16Do you anticipate that?
- 50:17I would anticipate that, that that would also happen.
- 50:21I hope that it reaches that level, and this can be established nationwide.
- 50:25But for right now, it's only Oklahoma, where the Supreme Court of Oklahoma has made this definitive ruling that these things do not um qualify for liability immunity.
- 50:38So all of that happened to your husband in the hospital.
- 50:41You just went through the story.
- 50:43What does that mean for you now that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma did that?
- 50:48What that means is that we have a path forward.
- 50:51Now we've tried to pursue criminal because this was never about money for anyone.
- 50:56We've tried to pursue criminal charges.
- 50:59We are now looking at, we have attorneys that are willing to take the cases.
- 51:03We're going to fight as many of these cases as we can in the courts, in the civil courts.
- 51:08We're going to establish the discovery that says, you know, this happened broadly across at least the state of Oklahoma for now.
- 51:18We can establish that in court documents that this was not a singular event.
- 51:26Um, and then we can move forward to the federal level and say, whether it was intentional or incidental, the protections that you thought you were offering these folks actually led to harm.
- 51:40And we can't allow this again.
- 51:42Because it's not about, I mean, I can't bring my husband back.
- 51:45But what I can do is I can make a safer place and a safer future for my son and for you and for everyone out there listening that doesn't have to fear going to the hospital and having your right to self-determination stripped away.
- 52:03Yeah.
- 52:03And becoming that prisoner instead of the patient.
- 52:06That's exactly what happened in this case.
- 52:09And as you said, it happened thousands and thousands of times across this country.
- 52:14We watched it.
- 52:14Sometimes I don't know that we remember it.
- 52:17It's sort of like a fog in some ways, and I'm sure it is to you as well.
- 52:21You're also working on a new bill in Oklahoma.
- 52:24What is that about?
- 52:26That bill is to codify into law what's already been established in the court.
- 52:31That again, if that procedural bar is in place, that your statute of limitation is paused.
- 52:38It's a tolling statute that says you're you didn't run out of time simply because the law said you couldn't file a lawsuit.
- 52:46Um, so what this will do is open up the courts back up for for people that fall under the specific category of COVID diagnosis, because COVID diagnosis was the only time that we were not allowed to file these lawsuits because of this perceived protection by the Prep Act.
- 53:09And now that it has been defined that these particular things don't fall under that protection, we have the ability to move forward with some of these claims in a civil court.
- 53:19Go through those things again.
- 53:21You went through them a few minutes ago, but let's narrow down again exactly what those things are that the Supreme Court in Oklahoma says you still can go ahead and sue civilly over these things.
- 53:34Go through that list again.
- 53:36That's going to fall into categories like failure to treat.
- 53:39We have cases where someone went in for a heart attack and they were never treated for the heart attack, but because they tested positive for COVID on admission, they received COVID treatment like the remdesivir and ventilators and everything else.
- 53:53But the underlying condition, whether it was a heart attack, a stroke, a broken leg.
- 53:57We have someone that went with a broken leg that was never treated, the broken leg was never treated, but they got COVID treatment.
- 54:04So failure to treat the underlying or the um admitting condition is does not receive that liability shield.
- 54:15Um things like abuse and neglect.
- 54:18Is that what your husband would fall under?
- 54:20Abuse.
- 54:21My husband would actually fall under battery.
- 54:25Okay.
- 54:26Because from the ventilator from having him intubated.
- 54:31Right.
- 54:32Because it wasn't just a lack of informed consent.
- 54:37It was we actually refused the treatment, and it was done anyway.
- 54:43So that falls under and meets the criteria for the definition of battery, which was why we were trying to pursue criminal um charges.
- 54:52Um the abuse neglect, battery, failure to treat, and I think that's going to pretty much cover the the exceptions to the prep act.
- 55:04How is your bill being received in the state legislature in Oklahoma?
- 55:09Everyone we have spoken to has been very supportive.
- 55:14Um we have a lot of folks that have, you know, come out and said that they would be more than willing to co-author the bill and the house side.
- 55:23The problem that we're facing right now is that it hasn't been put on the agenda for the civil judiciary committee.
- 55:32So I I've, you know, on our Facebook, excuse me, on X, I've put out, I'm working on putting out a call to action to have people actually reach out to the chair of the Civil Judiciary Judiciary Committee and ask him to make sure it gets put on the agenda so that they can vote on it.
- 55:50Um that's that's our our big obstacle right now is getting it through that committee.
- 55:56Once it makes it through that committee, and there's a chance that they don't even hear it, that they don't even put it on the agenda.
- 56:02So we've got to really kind of push to make sure it gets on that schedule so that they can vote on it.
- 56:09Um, because even the vice chair of the committee has been amazing.
- 56:12And he said, I support you.
- 56:14You have, you know, I will co-author if necessary, but it's up to the chair to make sure it gets on the schedule.
- 56:20And uh it's a fascinating story, but it's not unique, unfortunately, coming through COVID.
- 56:27There were so many stories like this.
- 56:29And the interesting part about what you have done is you've taken it and made it your motivation, and you're a great example of one person making a difference in this country.
- 56:41You said it earlier in our conversation.
- 56:44You said I want to make it better for our children for you, and that's what it's all about in this country.
- 56:49And if more of us would really uh do what you're doing right now, this country would be in a lot better shape than it is.
- 56:56I want to thank you for coming on the program tonight.
- 56:59I also want to thank you for the work that you're doing.
- 57:02You took a bad situation.
- 57:04You're probably still dealing with it, trying to get over it, and you're using that for good.
- 57:10And I think you're a great example for everybody in America.
- 57:14Thank you so much, sir.
- 57:15And thank you for joining us tonight.
- 57:16Have a great weekend.
- 57:18And don't forget, you were told two thousand years ago that you are the salt of the earth, and salt without flavor has no value.
- 57:25So whatever you do, keep being salty.
- 57:28Have a great night.
- 57:29There is only one truth.
- 57:31You've been listening to the truth be told with Booker Scott on America out loud.