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Physician on the Line-Retaliation from Biden Crime Wave · Wellness Uncensored

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Speaker 2: Hey, and good afternoon. Welcome to another episode of Wellness
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Speaker 2: and Censored. My name is Patty G. I am a
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Speaker 2: And I'm very grateful to have been a part of
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Speaker 2: and learned during the pandemic as a hospital administrator and
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Speaker 2: as a patient and as a survivor. And during that journey,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, I've come across so many people
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Speaker 2: that I would have never otherwise been touched to get
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Speaker 2: to know, to help, to collaborate. It is quite a
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Speaker 2: network of people out there. And I want to bring
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Speaker 2: to you, folks, yet another person who was caught in
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Speaker 2: the crosshairs of trying to help people during the pandemic.
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Speaker 2: And I promised you last week. We've got doctor ron
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Speaker 2: Elfin Bain with us today and I whope, I said
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Speaker 2: that perfectly, But he, like myself, was out there front
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Speaker 2: lines and trying to help and save people. And while
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the pandemic, he's going to tell
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Speaker 2: us a little bit about his story. And as he
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Speaker 2: was trying to put people's lives together and save them
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Speaker 2: from this horrible illness that no one really knew what
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Speaker 2: the roots of it were, how to treat, he was
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Speaker 2: working to use the monoclonal antibodies. And when our illustrious
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Speaker 2: federal government, and I will say, you know, with our
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Speaker 2: former president, it was the crime wave, and in that
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Speaker 2: crime wave, the data was skewed. They finally admitted that
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Speaker 2: they had miscalculated their data by nearly fifty percent, and
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Speaker 2: they did reinstate the monoclona antibodies. But I know from
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Speaker 2: personal experience, trying to run those programs at some of
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Speaker 2: the hospitals that I was at was nearly impossible. And
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Speaker 2: yet it was an opportunity to really help people make
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Speaker 2: a difference. And so doctor Ron tragically was called in,
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Speaker 2: almost lost his license, had a lot of litigation, and
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Speaker 2: so sharing history and sharing how we can help a
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Speaker 2: fellow colleague is really kind of why we're here today,
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Speaker 2: and to spread the word to understand what really went
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Speaker 2: on during the pandemic, so you can be armed, forewarned
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Speaker 2: and ready so that the next time, because we know
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Speaker 2: there's going to be a next time, you're going to
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Speaker 2: be ready and you're not going to be blinds. So
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Speaker 2: I want to welcome doctor Ron. I'm so excited you're
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Speaker 2: here today. And as we get you up, thanks so much.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you you too.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's elfin Bine by the.
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Speaker 4: Way, you know, that's why I got married.
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Speaker 2: I got rid of my maiden name because it was
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Speaker 2: just too difficult to Leanna was pretty easy, although people
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Speaker 2: try to, you know, create it into galley out of
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Speaker 2: the wine, I said, Oh I wish, but so really though,
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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about you and kind of
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Speaker 2: how those grassroots stays started during the pandemic and what
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Speaker 2: happened in your journey. Love to hear the story.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well again, thank you for having me as an
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Speaker 5: honor to be here. And so I'm an emergency room
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Speaker 5: doctor by training. I trained to JOHNS Hopkins. I live
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Speaker 5: in Maryland, and I have an entrepreneurial spirit. So I
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Speaker 5: opened up an urgent care center back in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 5: which I staffed with nurse practitioners and PAS I didn't
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Speaker 5: actually work there myself. I had people working for me
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Speaker 5: that would see the patients and I would just be
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Speaker 5: medical director. And then in twenty nineteen, I saw it
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Speaker 5: was pretty obvious to me the writing on the wall
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Speaker 5: what was coming when they were boarding up cities in
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Speaker 5: China literally like bricking them up and pointing tank turrets
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Speaker 5: into the city, that there was no way, despite what
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Speaker 5: the government was telling us, that this wasn't coming to us.
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Speaker 5: So I started to prepare, and I started to buy PPE,
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Speaker 5: and I started to buy testing supplies and you know,
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Speaker 5: PPE personal protective equipment as much as I could could get.
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Speaker 5: And you know, as you said, because of that, we
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Speaker 5: positioned ourselves well and we became basically the de facto
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Speaker 5: testing center for Monoclona for COVID in my county and
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Speaker 5: then pretty much the state. And we grew from one
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Speaker 5: site to eight sites and six employees to over three
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Speaker 5: hundred during the height of the pandemic within a year,
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Speaker 5: just because you know, we had there was a need.
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Speaker 5: And I mean our line outside of our facility was
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Speaker 5: over a mile long, and it would we opened at
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Speaker 5: eight am, people would start lining up at four am,
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Speaker 5: And I mean, I'm not exaggerating. We had to hire
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Speaker 5: off duty police officers to come and run the line,
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Speaker 5: and we have fights in the parking lot, breaking out,
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Speaker 5: I mean all kinds of crazy stuff, and you know,
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Speaker 5: it was it was insane.
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Speaker 3: You know, the world was a totally different place.
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Speaker 5: And then, you know, as you mentioned, Patty, like the
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Speaker 5: monoclonal Anybody's became a thing, and that technology has been
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Speaker 5: around for years, and I was a very early proponent
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Speaker 5: of them because they really did represent the cure for COVID.
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Speaker 3: So I started to publicly.
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Speaker 5: I was on TV, it was on Fox, it was
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Speaker 5: on CBS, I was on Breitbart, Sky News, Newsmax pretty
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Speaker 5: much at least once a week, if not more, talking
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Speaker 5: about how wonderful these things were. And we actually became
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Speaker 5: the largest supplier of Monoclonal Anybody's in the state of Maryland.
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Speaker 5: We were bigger than Johns Hopkins, bigger than the University
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Speaker 5: of Maryland. We were infusing over five hundred people a week.
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Speaker 5: At some points we had three sites that we were
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Speaker 5: doing them at, and we all had come up with
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Speaker 5: all this on the fly, like you know, it had
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Speaker 5: never been done before.
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Speaker 3: So we were doing them.
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Speaker 5: We rented, we rented volunteer ambulance halls and we would
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Speaker 5: set up in their facilities. We would you know, how
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Speaker 5: do you run an infusion center there? So all that
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Speaker 5: stuff had to be sort of come up with on
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Speaker 5: the fly, and it was. It was incredibly difficult, but
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Speaker 5: it was incredibly fulfilling and rewarding because this was the
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Speaker 5: cure for COVID. People were dying. We had a cure.
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Speaker 5: And in fact, a gentleman called me out of the
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Speaker 5: blue one day and he said, he called me like
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Speaker 5: ten o'clock at night. I was putting my son to bed.
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Speaker 5: He wasn't quite that late. I don't know, it was
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Speaker 5: late whatever, and he called me and he said, you
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Speaker 5: know him, I own seven, you know, elder care facilities,
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Speaker 5: and I have lots of people who are COVID positive.
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to find a place that can infuse them
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Speaker 5: with monoclonal anybody's can you help me? And I said,
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Speaker 5: of course, we'll help you tomorrow. And the line went
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Speaker 5: dead and I said, hello, you know, are you there?
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Speaker 5: And he said, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm here. But this
7:50
Speaker 5: is what he said to me. He was, you're the
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Speaker 5: twenty seventh person I've called. Nobody's been able to help me.
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Speaker 5: And I said, I'll tell you what. Give me your phone,
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Speaker 5: you know, give me your phone number. I'm going to
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Speaker 5: have our director of operations reach out to you tomorrow
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Speaker 5: morning and we'll schedule you to bring all your patients
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Speaker 5: to us and we'll take care of him tomorrow. And
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Speaker 5: literally that man who's now become a dear friend of mine.
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Speaker 3: But he would bring us.
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Speaker 5: He had a little bus and he would bust us
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Speaker 5: patients pretty much daily that we were when we were open,
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Speaker 5: and he would, in fact to the point where at
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Speaker 5: one point his driver got sick, so then he started
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Speaker 5: driving the bus and he got sick. And he called
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Speaker 5: me one day and I said, get your button the
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Speaker 5: chair because you're going to get infused. And he was
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Speaker 5: arguing with me. I'm like, no, no, no, you need to
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Speaker 5: get the infusion. Get and within a couple of hours
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Speaker 5: he was one hundred percent better. I mean, this stuff
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Speaker 5: was remarkable. And at one point HHS, the Department of
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Speaker 5: Health and Human Services, reached out to me and said, hey,
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Speaker 5: we want to open up a site at FedEx Field
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Speaker 5: and land Over, Maryland, where the Washington Redskins play football.
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Speaker 3: Would you do it for us?
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Speaker 5: And I said absolutely, So the federal government we formed
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Speaker 5: a partnership. It was my Stop, my company, the federal government, HHS,
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Speaker 5: and the Maryland Department of Health, and we opened up
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Speaker 5: this site. The government paid for everything. I ran it
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Speaker 5: for over a year and we infused people and I
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Speaker 5: had to convince them that we should test there as well.
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Speaker 5: They didn't want to do testing, just infusions, and I said, well,
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Speaker 5: the reason you'd want to do testing is because you
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Speaker 5: can take that person, if they're symptomatic, right from their test,
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Speaker 5: put them in an infusion chair, and cure them of
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Speaker 5: their COVID right then and there.
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Speaker 3: And they thought that was the greatest thing ever.
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Speaker 5: And that actually became the blueprint for monoclonal infusion centers
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Speaker 5: for the rest of the country moving forward. So we
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Speaker 5: started here, became kind of what everyone else was doing
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Speaker 5: throughout the entire nation. And the Biden administration did something
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Speaker 5: very interesting. There was no problem getting monoclonal anybodies. There
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Speaker 5: was no shortage. You would basically you had to register
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Speaker 5: with the state and they'd give you a pin number
9:44
Speaker 5: and then you'd log into the website and you would
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Speaker 5: request from your distributor however much you needed. You had
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Speaker 5: to attest to it, you had to promise you were
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Speaker 5: going to use it and not sell it, and they
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Speaker 5: would give it to you.
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Speaker 3: It would come to you literally by FedEx. The next day.
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Speaker 5: Well, the Biden administration said we're going to federalize this
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Speaker 5: and we're going to start controlling the distribution. And then
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Speaker 5: literally overnight they were artificial shortages. You couldn't get what
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Speaker 5: you needed. So you requested fifty, you got twenty. You
10:07
Speaker 5: requested one hundred doses, you got sixty. It was it
10:10
Speaker 5: was literally overnight that that happened. And if you remember,
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Speaker 5: Florida is a great example. They were having a surge
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Speaker 5: I believe it was Delta variant, and they couldn't get
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Speaker 5: any so Ron Deasantis had to go using taxpayer funds
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Speaker 5: and purchase it directly from the manufacturer. Despite the fact
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Speaker 5: that the federal government had ample supply, they couldn't get.
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Speaker 3: It to Florida for whatever reason. And he had was
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Speaker 3: bad too.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny how they were all red states that
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Speaker 5: seemed to have these problems. But you know, imagine, so
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Speaker 5: then then they made a catastrophic decision. They well, actually
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Speaker 5: before that then they started to use equity to determine
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Speaker 5: where they were going to distribute the monoclonals, And to
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Speaker 5: my knowledge, that's never been done in medicine before.
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Speaker 3: It's always been based on need.
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Speaker 5: So if you have, you know, an outbreak of whatever disease,
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Speaker 5: the medication goes to where that outbreak is. Right, it's
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Speaker 5: not not rocket science. But all of a sudden they said,
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Speaker 5: we're not going to base it on need anymore. We're
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Speaker 5: going to start using equity to determine where this is.
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Speaker 3: Going to go.
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Speaker 5: And I spoke out publicly on that. I said, this
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Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense. Why are we doing this. Why
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Speaker 5: are we politicizing a medication which is a cure for
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Speaker 5: this disease? And in the line that see lots of
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Speaker 5: lives and implicit in that is it obviates the need
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Speaker 5: to be vaccinated, because if you don't need the vaccine
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Speaker 5: because you have a cure. So, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 5: this was a threat to the orthodoxy of vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate, right.
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Speaker 5: So then they made a catastrophic decision, the administration, they
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Speaker 5: said in December of twenty twenty one, they said, well,
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Speaker 5: once there was an omicron surgeon, they said, once omicron
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Speaker 5: reaches the prevalence of seventy percent. We're going to shut
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Speaker 5: the program down because the monoclonal anybodies do not work
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Speaker 5: against omicron. And I went out publicly on TV and
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Speaker 5: I questioned this narrative. I said, first of all, we
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Speaker 5: don't know that that's true. But even if it is true,
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Speaker 5: you don't know what the pay in front of you
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Speaker 5: has because we do so few genetic testing. United States,
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Speaker 5: by the way, internationally, was I think the bottom of
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Speaker 5: the barrel in terms of the number of or the
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Speaker 5: percentage of people that we tested for genetic variance throughout
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Speaker 5: the world. We were the last. I think we tested
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Speaker 5: less than one percent of people. Most countries were five
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Speaker 5: to ten percent. So we have no idea what the
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Speaker 5: person that shows up in front of me, what variant
12:21
Speaker 5: they have.
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Speaker 3: There's no possible way to know.
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Speaker 5: And what this does is this basically inserts the federal
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Speaker 5: government between the patient and the doctor or the provider,
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Speaker 5: and it removes informed consent because now it basically took
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Speaker 5: that away from you.
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Speaker 3: You can't make that decision anymore. The government's decided for you.
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Speaker 5: So again I went on TV and I complained and
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Speaker 5: I said, this is ridiculous and I said, they're going
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Speaker 5: to kill people. This is the height of bureaucratic arrogance,
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Speaker 5: and this is a big mistake, and this is stupid,
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Speaker 5: and they don't know what they're doing and they're misreading
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Speaker 5: the data. Turns out I was right, because two weeks
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Speaker 5: later they said, oh, we misread the data. We were
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Speaker 5: off by fifty percent five zero it's not inconsequential five
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Speaker 5: zero percent. It wasn't seventy percent, it was twenty percent.
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Speaker 5: And I went on Fox News again, End News Max,
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Speaker 5: and I said, you know, I don't know how many
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Speaker 5: people are dead, dying or in the hospital because of
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Speaker 5: the stupidity of these people. And I was really angry,
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Speaker 5: and we had to literally cancel I think it was
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Speaker 5: five or six hundred people that were scheduled to get infusions,
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Speaker 5: and we had refrigerators stacked with this medicine and we're
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Speaker 5: just sitting there idly just we could not infuse it.
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Speaker 3: We were forbid to give it, to use it, and
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Speaker 3: people were dying because of it.
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Speaker 5: I guarantee you there's a certain percentage of patients who
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Speaker 5: died because they couldn't get access to this medicine even
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Speaker 5: though we had it. So four months later, completely out
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Speaker 5: of the blue, with no warning, no letters, no emails,
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Speaker 5: no phone calls, nothing, I find out that I'm the
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Speaker 5: victim of weaponization of the federal government and law fair
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Speaker 5: and I've now been indicted on federal health care fraud
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Speaker 5: charges for patients that won I didn't see because I
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Speaker 5: wasn't seeing these patients. Our nurse practitioners and PA's were
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Speaker 5: not me. Two, the indictment read that what we were
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Speaker 5: doing was medically unnecessary and we weren't spending enough time
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Speaker 5: with the patients.
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, typical, typical medical fraud for your
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Speaker 5: listeners who don't understand this or don't know what this means,
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Speaker 5: is billing for something that you didn't do. So like
14:16
Speaker 5: in the classic yeah, classic example is like there was
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Speaker 5: a doctor I think here in Maryland actually who was
14:21
Speaker 5: in England and apparently was billing for seeing patients while
14:24
Speaker 5: he was on vacation in England. That's fraud, right, you
14:27
Speaker 5: didn't do what you said you did. But no one
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Speaker 5: has alleged that in this case. All these patients they
14:32
Speaker 5: alleged five counts of health care fraud, they all got seen,
14:35
Speaker 5: they all got treated, they all got well, they all
14:37
Speaker 5: got tested, they all had their vital signs taken, and
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Speaker 5: they testified to this.
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Speaker 3: A trial, So where's the fraud.
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Speaker 5: So the government they came down on me like with
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Speaker 5: a sledge hammer. I didn't do anything wrong, so I
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Speaker 5: took it to trial. Just so your listeners understand that
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Speaker 5: the time of the indictment, we had seen over one
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Speaker 5: hundred thousand patients the government two years.
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Speaker 3: Well this was over a.
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Speaker 5: Year, a little over a year over the whole course
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Speaker 5: of the pandemic. I think we saw for three hundred
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Speaker 5: thousand patients and treated. But this was just over the
15:11
Speaker 5: course of the one year that they indicted. And so
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Speaker 5: they picked five five and they never even had a
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Speaker 5: coder look at the charts. And they never looked at
15:22
Speaker 5: the charts until after they indicted me, which is relevant because,
15:26
Speaker 5: as you know, the coding is based on what's in
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Speaker 5: the chart, So how could you know what was done
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Speaker 5: or wasn't done if.
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Speaker 3: You don't look at the chart. So anyway, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's insane.
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Speaker 5: But they said we were building too high of a level.
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Speaker 5: We were building E and M code. It doesn't really matter.
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Speaker 5: But the code we were building was called the level four.
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Speaker 5: The government alleged that that was too high a trial.
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Speaker 5: They never said why it was too high, and they
15:50
Speaker 5: never said what the right code should have been. But
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Speaker 5: let's say, fine, you disagree and you think it should
15:54
Speaker 5: have been a level three.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 5: The difference between a level four and a level three
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Speaker 5: is about fifty dollars. So fifty dollars and times five
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Speaker 5: patients is two hundred and fifty dollars.
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Speaker 3: I faced fifty years in.
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Speaker 5: Jail, loss of by medical license, and millions of dollars
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Speaker 5: in restitution. Over two hundred and fifty dollars. How is
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Speaker 5: that in any world? Is that any would make any sense?
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Speaker 2: Well, and back to your point some critical points there
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Speaker 2: is you know, the level three, level four, Level three
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Speaker 2: generally is pretty stable, medically managed, really no contra indications
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Speaker 2: or complications. Anybody presenting with COVID had to have had
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Speaker 2: some level of instability. They weren't coming in.
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Speaker 4: Just to get like a B twelve shot.
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Speaker 2: They were coming in and meeting monoclominal antibodies because they
16:38
Speaker 2: weren't resolving in their care.
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Speaker 4: So that's that's the one thing.
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Speaker 2: The other thing that's interesting because from the hospital side,
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Speaker 2: when we treat a patient, we diagnose and we put
16:47
Speaker 2: something in the chart. We were essentially violating CMS. But
16:52
Speaker 2: in CMS standard, if you order a test, you've got
16:56
Speaker 2: to drive your treatment based on the test. What were
16:58
Speaker 2: hospitals doing. They were providing the protocol one level one line,
17:03
Speaker 2: no additional meds, just this one standard protocol. So they
17:06
Speaker 2: were violating their own standard all across the country, billing
17:11
Speaker 2: and getting reimbursed by the government for things that they
17:14
Speaker 2: didn't do because they didn't change care or practice based
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Speaker 2: on all the testing that they were doing in the hospitals.
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Speaker 2: That's right, And the government was applauding and rewarding because
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Speaker 2: we were at cash Cow and in your hand, you're
17:26
Speaker 2: trying to treat people and you're trying to say that
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Speaker 2: you didn't you build too high of a code.
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Speaker 5: And this was just to be clear, this was just
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Speaker 5: for testing, not even for monicloneals. So this was just
17:34
Speaker 5: for testing. But yes, and this right here in my
17:38
Speaker 5: hand is the AMA coding guidelines. Okay, Level four is
17:43
Speaker 5: the chart. You follow the chart and you get to
17:45
Speaker 5: level four. It's a very simple explanation. I could have
17:48
Speaker 5: explained this to somebody in forty five seconds.
17:51
Speaker 3: No one ever picked up the phone. No one ever said, hey, doctor.
17:54
Speaker 5: Elfenbein, you know, could you explain to us why you
17:56
Speaker 5: were billing these this level force? And by the way,
17:58
Speaker 5: I was not even billing them I put out I
18:01
Speaker 5: didn't put out emails to my providers to say, hey, guys,
18:03
Speaker 5: here's why E and M coding works, and here's why
18:05
Speaker 5: I think it's a level four. But I didn't hold
18:08
Speaker 5: a gun to anybody's head and said you have to
18:09
Speaker 5: build it this way. And the government never gave me
18:12
Speaker 5: a chance to even explain it.
18:13
Speaker 4: They just five charts at one hundred.
18:17
Speaker 5: Thousand, that's right, and even a trial. They never even
18:21
Speaker 5: had a coder look at the charts. Just government attorneys.
18:24
Speaker 5: They never even heard a professional coder.
18:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could go.
18:27
Speaker 2: On a higher level, and not a higher level, but
18:29
Speaker 2: you could have really been descriptive, but it still wouldn't
18:31
Speaker 2: have met their terms because it was just a level
18:33
Speaker 2: three in their mind.
18:34
Speaker 5: Well, but my point is that they never even hired
18:36
Speaker 5: a coder. Yeah, just government attorneys. They just had the
18:39
Speaker 5: prosecutors look at the charts. They never even hired someone
18:41
Speaker 5: who knows what they're doing. So I took it to
18:43
Speaker 5: trial because I'm like this is insane. What kind of
18:46
Speaker 5: world is this?
18:47
Speaker 3: And you're talking about five out of one hundred thousand?
18:49
Speaker 3: What is that like? Point zero zero zero.
18:51
Speaker 4: One zero? How did how did that go? How did well?
18:55
Speaker 5: So we went to trial and the first day of trial,
18:58
Speaker 5: they're a quote unquote expert.
19:00
Speaker 3: Witness gets up.
19:01
Speaker 5: There's and he's really not an expert on anything, but
19:03
Speaker 5: he was so awful and he got so destroyed on
19:06
Speaker 5: cross examination by my lawyers, but which, by the way,
19:09
Speaker 5: not some sleazy lawyerly tactics. It was just questions about
19:12
Speaker 5: basic understanding of coding.
19:14
Speaker 3: The guy had no idea.
19:15
Speaker 5: The judge actually asked him to come off the witness
19:17
Speaker 5: stand to go wait outside. Excuse the jury pulled us
19:20
Speaker 5: up to the bench and this is all in the
19:21
Speaker 5: public record. I'm not making any of this up. He
19:24
Speaker 5: points his finger at the government and he says, what
19:26
Speaker 5: the hell are you doing? Where is the crime? And
19:29
Speaker 5: the government was like, oh god, judge, you'll see it's coming,
19:31
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah blah blah. He said, well, you
19:33
Speaker 5: better show me something because I'm about ready to toss
19:35
Speaker 5: this case entirely. And I didn't mention, by the way,
19:39
Speaker 5: in a pre trial hearing, the judge even said, this
19:42
Speaker 5: looks like a case of shoot first and ask questions later,
19:45
Speaker 5: kind of like very you know, Stalin esque. Show me
19:48
Speaker 5: the man, I'll show you the crime. It's exactly what
19:49
Speaker 5: it was. And the judge even pointed that out. So anyway,
19:54
Speaker 5: the case, the judge finally issues a ninety three page
19:58
Speaker 5: opinion where he if the government apart completely exonerates me
20:02
Speaker 5: of all charges, and in case the government chooses to appeal,
20:06
Speaker 5: gives grants me a new trial. And he said such
20:08
Speaker 5: things as I just want to read a couple of
20:09
Speaker 5: these quotes because it's the pretty telling. Yeah, the evidence
20:13
Speaker 5: weighs so heavily in favor of the defendant that it
20:15
Speaker 5: would be unjust to enter judgment against him.
20:17
Speaker 3: End quote quote.
20:18
Speaker 5: There can, of course be no crimes if the defendant
20:20
Speaker 5: complied with those rules end quote quote. The government did
20:24
Speaker 5: not carry its burden, and no reasonable jury could have
20:26
Speaker 5: so concluded end quote. I mean, he really let them
20:28
Speaker 5: have it, right, ninety three pages of that, and he
20:31
Speaker 5: just one after another, just you know, this was a
20:33
Speaker 5: terrible How could you guys bring this case stuff like that?
20:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, all that money you had to spend.
20:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, and anxious. I mean I couldn't sleep for two years.
20:42
Speaker 5: My kids couldn't sleep. I have four children. My wife
20:44
Speaker 5: couldn't sleep. She's a doctor too. Like you know, you're
20:47
Speaker 5: talking millions of dollars in legal fees and which I
20:50
Speaker 5: didn't have and I still don't have, and you know, misery.
20:54
Speaker 3: I mean, this was like the worst thing you could
20:55
Speaker 3: ever imagine.
20:56
Speaker 5: It's I put death of a family member just below
20:59
Speaker 5: that is this.
21:00
Speaker 3: It has been horrible.
21:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a destruction. I mean, how are you? How
21:04
Speaker 2: are you today? And how are.
21:07
Speaker 4: Things and where.
21:10
Speaker 3: Well?
21:10
Speaker 5: So the government on the way out the door, the
21:12
Speaker 5: Biden Department of Justice literally just to stick me one
21:15
Speaker 5: more time, decided to appeal it.
21:17
Speaker 3: So literally weeks before Trump's inaugurated.
21:19
Speaker 5: They they did that because they know that once the
21:21
Speaker 5: ball starts rolling, it's hard to stop because there's inertia,
21:24
Speaker 5: and it's just one more case. The DJ the new
21:26
Speaker 5: people come in and they, you know, what do they know?
21:28
Speaker 5: They're not really scrutinizing this. But what's interesting is the
21:33
Speaker 5: president put out an edict on like his first day
21:36
Speaker 5: in office that end the weaponization of their federal government.
21:39
Speaker 5: And then Pam Bondi followed that up with a Attorney
21:42
Speaker 5: General BONDI with a memo to you know, with seven
21:46
Speaker 5: categories of people that she thought would qualify for this,
21:50
Speaker 5: and I'm clearly in the seventh number seven, it's for whistleblowers.
21:53
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's what this was.
21:54
Speaker 5: The Biden administration was what was weaponizing and politicizing a
21:58
Speaker 5: life saving medication. And I went out publicly and spoke
22:01
Speaker 5: about that that I think squarely puts me in that category.
22:04
Speaker 5: So I'm trying to get someone in the Trump administration
22:07
Speaker 5: to hear me and to look at this case from
22:09
Speaker 5: that perspective and to say, Number one, is this a
22:12
Speaker 5: just prosecution? And I think the answers clearly know, but fine,
22:15
Speaker 5: just take an objective look at it. Number two, is
22:19
Speaker 5: this a good use of taxpayer dollars? It's already been adjudicated.
22:22
Speaker 5: The chief judge of the State of Maryland threw the
22:24
Speaker 5: case out for lack of evidence in ninety three pages.
22:27
Speaker 5: And you're trying to ruin my life twice over two
22:31
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty dollars like it just makes no sense.
22:35
Speaker 2: Then at best, it was a government body that wanted
22:38
Speaker 2: to determine a level that was never looked at by
22:42
Speaker 2: any kind of medical body of knowledge.
22:45
Speaker 5: Well, look, you're absolutely right, and at best, at worst,
22:50
Speaker 5: at worst, this is a dispute over billain.
22:54
Speaker 3: That's it.
22:54
Speaker 5: There's no criminality here like what you showed me. What
22:57
Speaker 5: the crime is, That's what the judge said. There's no crime.
23:00
Speaker 3: They think it should have been.
23:01
Speaker 5: But the government could never articulate one why I was
23:05
Speaker 5: wrong when I said level four and two what the
23:07
Speaker 5: appropriate level should have been. We had an expert witness
23:10
Speaker 5: come in and testify, the president of the American Association
23:13
Speaker 5: of Professional Coders, and he looked at hundreds of charts
23:16
Speaker 5: and he said, all these charts look perfectly fine. In fact,
23:19
Speaker 5: some of them may have been undercoded, because you sent
23:21
Speaker 5: some of these patients to the emergency room because they
23:23
Speaker 5: were they were hypoxic, they were short of breath. Yeah,
23:26
Speaker 5: those counted as level five, so we should have built
23:28
Speaker 5: those a level five.
23:30
Speaker 3: The government never did that.
23:31
Speaker 5: They never looked at any more than five, and they
23:33
Speaker 5: never had anyone who knows anything about coding look at
23:35
Speaker 5: any charts like that.
23:38
Speaker 2: You slam dunked it with the witness. That probably further
23:41
Speaker 2: fueled them in their face.
23:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll tell you something which is crazy.
23:46
Speaker 5: But at closing, the government said to the jury, they said,
23:50
Speaker 5: you may be asking yourself, you know what the appropriate
23:51
Speaker 5: coding level was? Should it have been a level four?
23:53
Speaker 5: Level three? It doesn't matter. You don't need to know.
23:56
Speaker 5: What you need to know is that he's a criminal,
23:57
Speaker 5: meaning me, and he's wrong. That was what they said.
24:00
Speaker 5: And then they said to follow that up, and then
24:02
Speaker 5: they could get me worse. They said, you know, the
24:05
Speaker 5: defense put up, they had expert come in, and he's
24:08
Speaker 5: just confusing you with all kinds of rules and regulations
24:10
Speaker 5: and charts and codes and and you know, rules and facts.
24:16
Speaker 3: Just use your common sense, Jerry, Just use your common sense.
24:19
Speaker 5: And they get to go last, which I did not know,
24:22
Speaker 5: but the government gets to go last and closing. But
24:25
Speaker 5: the obvious retort to that would have been, hey, you know,
24:28
Speaker 5: I just did my taxes. Do you think I can
24:30
Speaker 5: call the irs up and say I just used my
24:32
Speaker 5: common sense? Isn't that okay? Like their rules? The government
24:35
Speaker 5: sets the rules. In fact, I'm not a member of
24:37
Speaker 5: the AMA. I've never been a member of the AMA.
24:40
Speaker 5: I don't support the AMA. But the AMA wrote an
24:42
Speaker 5: amkus brief, which is a friend of the court brief
24:44
Speaker 5: on my behalf stating that they drafted the rules with
24:49
Speaker 5: the government, and I didn't break the rules that they drafted.
24:51
Speaker 3: But yet the government now wants.
24:53
Speaker 5: Everybody to just forget the rules that they were supposed
24:56
Speaker 5: to go by and just use common sense.
24:58
Speaker 2: Like again, you as a human, as an American citizen.
25:02
Speaker 5: Right, right, and not follow the rules, which is what
25:05
Speaker 5: we did. Just use common sense. So even Rod Rosenstein,
25:09
Speaker 5: who was an attorney, who was the former Deputy Attorney
25:12
Speaker 5: General of the United States and former Maryland US Attorney,
25:16
Speaker 5: he put out a press release and he said Judge
25:19
Speaker 5: Bradar's opinion is a tour de force and quote quote
25:23
Speaker 5: this sends a strong message to leaders of the Department
25:25
Speaker 5: of Justice that they should be skeptical about prosecuting people
25:28
Speaker 5: for allegedly violating vague federal regulations. Sometimes cases are better
25:33
Speaker 5: handled with civil enforcement. And I mean, like you now
25:37
Speaker 5: have a federal judge, the chief judge of the state.
25:39
Speaker 5: You have the former US attorney, deputy Attorney General, and
25:42
Speaker 5: US attorney saying this case is nonsense.
25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the former governor of Maryland that.
25:48
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and the government still pushing. They're still pushing, Yes,
25:51
Speaker 4: so they're appealing.
25:52
Speaker 5: So I just I just need to find somebody in
25:55
Speaker 5: the Trump administration to take a look at this. And again,
25:58
Speaker 5: I think I fit squarely into that number seven category
26:01
Speaker 5: of whistleblowers.
26:02
Speaker 2: Blower, absolutely whistle blower. And again it's the establishment taking
26:08
Speaker 2: hold of an individual medical professional who was doing the
26:12
Speaker 2: right thing at all costs. You were following the rules,
26:16
Speaker 2: you're trying to take care of patients. You did it well,
26:20
Speaker 2: and because it didn't fit their narrative, you were shut
26:23
Speaker 2: down and they were going to make you, you know,
26:25
Speaker 2: their lynchpin.
26:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right.
26:29
Speaker 5: And you know, Patty, what I think is so so
26:31
Speaker 5: frightening about this is that, you know, why would anybody
26:35
Speaker 5: in their right mind the next time there's a pandemic
26:37
Speaker 5: step up and do the right thing because now the
26:40
Speaker 5: government can come after you years later, yeah or excuse
26:43
Speaker 5: my language, chicken, you know, nonsense, right, and and try
26:48
Speaker 5: to destroy your life and put you in jail for
26:50
Speaker 5: fifty years.
26:51
Speaker 3: Like I you know, it's just it's incredible.
26:54
Speaker 2: Well, and you know the funny part about it, because
26:56
Speaker 2: it still happens today. There's such oversight and not to
26:59
Speaker 2: drift off too much, but you know, I find it
27:01
Speaker 2: in practice today and where I'm hearing and seeing things
27:04
Speaker 2: how patients are manipulated today because they don't know simple
27:08
Speaker 2: things like getting a medication. It can't get at the
27:11
Speaker 2: pharmacy because it's controlled by the insurance company. It's regulated
27:15
Speaker 2: through the pharmacist. I have pharmacists changing, wanting to change
27:19
Speaker 2: doses of medications and that I've never heard of a
27:22
Speaker 2: pharmacist prescribing before. And then they're telling patients get a
27:27
Speaker 2: higher dose of lexapro, it's cheaper. Oh, get this drug,
27:31
Speaker 2: it's cheaper. These are like medications that don't We always
27:34
Speaker 2: want to start at the lowest dose possible for the
27:36
Speaker 2: right therapeutic effect. And I'm sing, screaming. So it continues
27:42
Speaker 2: to go on. But you know, back into the whole
27:44
Speaker 2: time where we were, you know, with the pandemic and
27:46
Speaker 2: all the things we were trying to do. You're absolutely right,
27:49
Speaker 2: it was that emergency use authorization to get those vaccines out,
27:53
Speaker 2: which is why anybody who wanted to open their mouth
27:55
Speaker 2: about ivermectin monoclonal antibodies, I'm thankful. I think the only
28:00
Speaker 2: thing that saved me was because they tried to kill
28:02
Speaker 2: me with rem desevere. They did give me convalescent plasma.
28:06
Speaker 2: Crawled my way out of the hospital.
28:08
Speaker 3: She through.
28:08
Speaker 4: I had to repair here.
28:10
Speaker 2: I am like I'm a runner, I work out, and
28:13
Speaker 2: two weeks in from the ICU and home on oxygen,
28:16
Speaker 2: I was on six liders. I was so so debilitated.
28:21
Speaker 2: I had to repair and all I could do if
28:23
Speaker 2: I took the oxygen off, I couldn't breathe. And the
28:25
Speaker 2: whole thing behind that was look at how many people
28:28
Speaker 2: they damaged that are still alive living on oxygen. Their
28:31
Speaker 2: lifespan has been shortened, and they no one knew because
28:35
Speaker 2: once we were if we made it out of the hospital,
28:38
Speaker 2: you know what, I was told, Oh good good luck,
28:40
Speaker 2: good luck. And then I wasn't allowed back in because
28:43
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty, it was we were COVID positive. Yeah,
28:47
Speaker 2: but it was four weeks later I still and so
28:50
Speaker 2: I had a lie to get back in the hospital
28:52
Speaker 2: to get a couple of different tests, and it was
28:55
Speaker 2: just a journey. But it's because I have medical knowledge,
28:58
Speaker 2: how many people didn't. And that's the destruction. So that's
29:01
Speaker 2: why folks, I wanted to have doctor ron on today
29:04
Speaker 2: because we cannot make the same mistake again, and we
29:08
Speaker 2: have to be smarter and we have to help folks
29:10
Speaker 2: like doctor Ron because look at what he went through
29:13
Speaker 2: and what he's still going through to try to exonerate
29:16
Speaker 2: his name and the exorbitant amount of bills, and we
29:18
Speaker 2: do we're going to find a way to get it
29:20
Speaker 2: to the Trump administration because I do believe we're the
29:22
Speaker 2: little guys. You're probably a bigger guy. But because you
29:25
Speaker 2: made a talk I've been screaming at Fox News for
29:29
Speaker 2: years that you got to hear these stories. And so
29:32
Speaker 2: with all the people that are out there listening worldwide,
29:35
Speaker 2: people have got to tune in and really see what
29:36
Speaker 2: we can do to get you that exoneration. They did
29:39
Speaker 2: it for the January six folks, They've done it for
29:41
Speaker 2: tons of other people. Your case is just so ubiquitous,
29:46
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. It's like they just wanted to stick it
29:49
Speaker 2: to you and they want you down.
29:52
Speaker 4: And at no cast.
29:53
Speaker 2: Should you be shut down for trying to do the
29:54
Speaker 2: right thing. You did nothing wrong, and.
29:56
Speaker 5: I faced a new trial now in August. What's is
30:00
Speaker 5: just how to explain it? Yes, But to your point,
30:05
Speaker 5: you know a couple of times I tried to write
30:07
Speaker 5: for ivermectin and for friends of mine, for people that
30:11
Speaker 5: I knew that tested positive, and like, yeah, sure, here's
30:13
Speaker 5: a prescription.
30:14
Speaker 3: And I.
30:16
Speaker 5: Kid you not every single one of those prescriptions, I
30:19
Speaker 5: got a phone call from the pharmacist asking for the
30:22
Speaker 5: ICD ten code for why I was writing for that.
30:25
Speaker 5: And I said to the pharmacist every single time, I said,
30:27
Speaker 5: you know, I've been in practice now. I finished my
30:30
Speaker 5: residency in two thousand and three. Since two thousand and three,
30:32
Speaker 5: basically since two thousand I've been practicing medicine. I said,
30:36
Speaker 5: I've never once, ever, ever gotten a phone call from
30:39
Speaker 5: a pharmacist asking for an ICD ten code. That's not
30:42
Speaker 5: your job, I said. Your job is to fill the
30:44
Speaker 5: prescription and explain to the patient that side effects the medication,
30:47
Speaker 5: and that's it.
30:47
Speaker 3: That's your job.
30:48
Speaker 5: My job is to decide which medicine is appropriate for
30:51
Speaker 5: the patient.
30:51
Speaker 3: And they would not fill it. They would not fill
30:54
Speaker 3: the prescription. That happened five times.
30:57
Speaker 2: When you put it in, because I've put it in
30:59
Speaker 2: for patients as well. They asked me, is this for
31:02
Speaker 2: COVID related symptoms?
31:03
Speaker 3: Yeah?
31:04
Speaker 2: No, it's for intestinal parasites. It's for you know, yeah, No,
31:08
Speaker 2: they don't need to know why I'm doing it.
31:09
Speaker 4: I'm doing it because patients.
31:11
Speaker 5: It's actually, i think a hip a violation for you
31:15
Speaker 5: to explain because they have no reason to know that.
31:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
31:20
Speaker 5: They're actually asking you to violate federal law because they
31:24
Speaker 5: have some ridiculous need to know why they're filling this prescription. Which,
31:28
Speaker 5: by the way, not to get off topic, but yeah,
31:30
Speaker 5: that is one of the safest medications around. I mean,
31:32
Speaker 5: it's been studied for years. It has an incredible safety profile.
31:36
Speaker 5: You know, everybody made it out to all your you're
31:38
Speaker 5: taking course, they work.
31:39
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous nonsense.
31:41
Speaker 2: They really, they've proselytized it. I mean, it's safer than.
31:44
Speaker 3: Tail and al and motrin, oh much safer.
31:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've made it legal in Tennessee and a few
31:49
Speaker 2: other states, and I believe it's on the table in
31:52
Speaker 2: Florida to be an over the counter medication, which I
31:54
Speaker 2: think is wonderful. But I'm sure there's little loopholes to
31:57
Speaker 2: hold it up. But yeah, you know, any chance they could.
32:01
Speaker 2: They tried to really just catastrophize life saving attempts for
32:07
Speaker 2: people to have the right to try, and that's kind
32:09
Speaker 2: of where you know, I got into and I put
32:11
Speaker 2: the stories in my book because what I saw behind
32:14
Speaker 2: the scenes as a hospital administrator was sickening to me.
32:17
Speaker 2: And where I couldn't let patient families in and I
32:19
Speaker 2: would go in and try to be with the patients,
32:21
Speaker 2: and I would argue with some of the physicians. You know,
32:23
Speaker 2: this really started down the road from the infectious disease
32:27
Speaker 2: team and the pharmaceutical team and the top chief medical officers.
32:31
Speaker 2: They were so embedded into the you know, the guidance
32:35
Speaker 2: and the CBC guidance. It was almost like a George Orwell.
32:38
Speaker 2: It was just it was incredible what I saw. People
32:40
Speaker 2: stopped critically thinking and they were incesiized, you know, by
32:44
Speaker 2: the money, the money that was spent. I had nurses
32:46
Speaker 2: refused to come into the hospitals unless we gave them
32:49
Speaker 2: a bonus. Bonuses were in excess of twenty five hundred
32:53
Speaker 2: dollars a shift, more than four times what the rate
32:56
Speaker 2: would have been to pay them for the shift. So
32:59
Speaker 2: were they caring or were they holding out for the money.
33:01
Speaker 2: And see people do funny things for money. And I
33:04
Speaker 2: think that's where all this leads to is, you know,
33:06
Speaker 2: showed me the money and they've taken you as an
33:10
Speaker 2: advocate for saving lives and blowing the whistle on the data,
33:14
Speaker 2: and they wanted to make you pay and they've just.
33:17
Speaker 3: Won and they won't go.
33:19
Speaker 5: And what's crazy is like this ruse of you know, okay, well,
33:22
Speaker 5: you know there's this coting thing like even that it
33:27
Speaker 5: just doesn't pass the sniff test, Like you're going to
33:29
Speaker 5: say that five charts again out of I keep harping
33:32
Speaker 5: on this, but out of one hundred thousand people roughly
33:35
Speaker 5: that were seeing, Yeah, and you didn't even have anyone
33:38
Speaker 5: who has any knowledge.
33:38
Speaker 3: Of coding look at that. But how can that even
33:42
Speaker 3: be introduced as evidence?
33:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, like what kind of grain jury woul look at
33:45
Speaker 5: that and say, oh yeah, this's clear evidence of fraud here.
33:48
Speaker 3: I mean.
33:49
Speaker 5: And and by the way, the government called three of
33:51
Speaker 5: those five people as witnesses and they all got in
33:55
Speaker 5: the trial and they all testified, Oh yeah, I got seen,
33:57
Speaker 5: I saw a nurse practitioner or a PA, I had
33:59
Speaker 5: my vital signs taken, I got swabbed, I got the
34:02
Speaker 5: test taken.
34:03
Speaker 3: So like, how was that fraud?
34:05
Speaker 5: I mean, it just boggles the mind to think that, Like,
34:08
Speaker 5: you know, so clearly this was just retribution for speaking out.
34:11
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's pretty obvious. But you know,
34:14
Speaker 5: like if they can do this to me, they can
34:15
Speaker 5: do this to anybody, right And they can do this.
34:17
Speaker 5: They did it to President Trump, like they can do
34:18
Speaker 5: it to anybody. Why wouldn't they, Why wouldn't they?
34:21
Speaker 2: I mean, and they did it too Doctor Mary Tally
34:23
Speaker 2: Balden in Texas. She was my primary care doc. She
34:25
Speaker 2: was writing for I remected and helping people. I met
34:28
Speaker 2: her after I had recovered. But you know, now the
34:31
Speaker 2: world has seen how they've tried to take her license
34:34
Speaker 2: and all the stuff they've done. There's so many of
34:36
Speaker 2: you out there. It stood to do the right thing,
34:39
Speaker 2: and then it's almost I hate to say the word,
34:41
Speaker 2: it's bastardizing people that.
34:44
Speaker 4: Stand up for what is right. We need more people like.
34:46
Speaker 2: This out there, you know, to keep us safe and
34:49
Speaker 2: to keep us doing the right things. And yet when
34:52
Speaker 2: you speak up, bodily knows what will happen to any
34:55
Speaker 2: one of you and your family. You know, they're just
34:58
Speaker 2: trying to destroy you know, one one healthy family here,
35:02
Speaker 2: and they do it anywhere they can. They make the
35:05
Speaker 2: rules and they break their own rules.
35:07
Speaker 4: We follow the rules.
35:08
Speaker 5: It's it's funny you say that again because I'm going
35:11
Speaker 5: to talk about hippas. So during my trial, the government
35:14
Speaker 5: literally violated HIPPA right and left.
35:16
Speaker 3: They were putting up, you know, personal health.
35:18
Speaker 5: Information all over the place, to the point where someone
35:21
Speaker 5: in the gallery who was observing complain to the judge.
35:23
Speaker 5: The judge had to say, hey, government, you guys got
35:26
Speaker 5: to stop violating the law here, like you got to
35:28
Speaker 5: He literally said that, He said, you got to stop
35:29
Speaker 5: violating hip hop.
35:30
Speaker 3: If I had done that or you had done that,
35:32
Speaker 3: you'd lose.
35:33
Speaker 5: Your medical license immediately and you'd be you'd be another
35:35
Speaker 5: count in facing federal charges to go to jail.
35:38
Speaker 3: But yet they can just get away with it, no
35:40
Speaker 3: big deal.
35:41
Speaker 5: It's just beyond the pale, Like what goes on with
35:45
Speaker 5: these guys, Like it's just incredible, it's.
35:47
Speaker 2: Sickening, And you're absolutely right, Like to that hipp point,
35:51
Speaker 2: we were collecting data that I don't think everyone should
35:54
Speaker 2: have had their hands on.
35:55
Speaker 4: And the data that we started to collect.
35:57
Speaker 2: Was who's vaccinated who's not vaccinated in our ear and
36:01
Speaker 2: they were treated differently in terms of care in the
36:05
Speaker 2: hospital if they made it from the hospital inpatient and
36:09
Speaker 2: Why should everybody know? I mean, nobody knew if we
36:12
Speaker 2: had a measle shot, right, Why did now they need
36:14
Speaker 2: to know if we had COVID shot or not? Hospital
36:16
Speaker 2: employees Again, our privacy was violated because they wanted to
36:21
Speaker 2: put stickers on those that had the vaccine. So you'd
36:25
Speaker 2: walk around kind of like the flu shot days. If
36:27
Speaker 2: you didn't have the flu shot, they'd put a sticker
36:28
Speaker 2: on your idbedge.
36:29
Speaker 3: I remember those.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this public personal this is private personal information.
36:34
Speaker 2: Why should that be available to the public. I have
36:36
Speaker 2: thought that back since the flu vaccines, that nobody needs
36:39
Speaker 2: to know and nobody should be mandated. If you want
36:43
Speaker 2: to do something, you should do something, but nobody should
36:45
Speaker 2: be mandated. And if through mandation you have to lose
36:50
Speaker 2: your livelihood, I'm sorry, but again, that's not what this
36:53
Speaker 2: country's about. And that's what I'm most proud of, is
36:56
Speaker 2: that we have those rights and it's part of our constitution.
36:59
Speaker 2: So so many things. I mean, my gosh, doctor round
37:02
Speaker 2: just violate and hear you stand strong. I applaud you,
37:05
Speaker 2: I really applaud you for from all that you've done,
37:08
Speaker 2: because living that I just I can only imagine how difficult.
37:13
Speaker 5: It's been, Yeah, it's it's it's been. It's been horrible.
37:16
Speaker 5: And you know you mentioned Mary Bowden. I was on
37:20
Speaker 5: her podcast. It's funny, you know, you never know who's listening, right,
37:23
Speaker 5: So I was on her podcast, I think in December.
37:27
Speaker 5: And about a week later, maybe a few days later,
37:30
Speaker 5: something like that, I get a phone call.
37:31
Speaker 3: I don't recognize the number. I answer it and they
37:33
Speaker 3: said the person are there?
37:34
Speaker 5: An alliance says hi, doctor, this is Senator so and
37:37
Speaker 5: so United States Senator so and so. I just heard
37:39
Speaker 5: your I heard your podcast with doctor Bowden, and I
37:43
Speaker 5: want to hear more about it. So he spent twenty
37:45
Speaker 5: twenty five minutes on the phone with me, gave me
37:47
Speaker 5: his personal cell phone, his personal email address, and since
37:50
Speaker 5: I live in Maryland, I'm only you know, forty minutes
37:52
Speaker 5: from DC.
37:53
Speaker 3: So he invited me to his office.
37:54
Speaker 5: I sat down with him in three of his staffers
37:56
Speaker 5: for an hour talking about my case and literally had
37:59
Speaker 5: to pick his jawb off the floor. He's like, I
38:01
Speaker 5: can't believe this is like like, yeah, this is all
38:04
Speaker 5: all public information, like it's true. So you just never
38:07
Speaker 5: know who's listening and who's paying attention. And I just
38:09
Speaker 5: need to find that one person that will you know,
38:12
Speaker 5: Todd Blanche. Uh, there's the Weaponization Group that's headed by
38:16
Speaker 5: Todd Blanche who's the Deputy Attorney General, and the President
38:19
Speaker 5: has made this a priority and in fact he said
38:21
Speaker 5: to the Weaponization Group, you have to meet daily. I
38:24
Speaker 5: want some answers, I want some examples of cases. Well,
38:26
Speaker 5: here's a perfect example. My case is a perfect example.
38:29
Speaker 5: The problem is there's no website and there's no phone number.
38:32
Speaker 5: I don't know how to get in touch with Todd Blanche.
38:34
Speaker 5: So it's like, how do I get in touch with
38:36
Speaker 5: these people in the Weaponization Group to explain my situation?
38:38
Speaker 3: I don't know. So, but this is exactly.
38:41
Speaker 5: What the President has has has the mandate he is
38:44
Speaker 5: given to them, right, he's asking for this. Here's a
38:47
Speaker 5: great example of a case that they should be looking at.
38:51
Speaker 3: And it's number seven on that list. You know, like.
38:55
Speaker 4: You well, we're gon we're going to do.
38:58
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people had you know, you've been
39:01
Speaker 2: I think on our X space as well, the Betrayal
39:04
Speaker 2: Project USA dot org, and I think it's at the
39:06
Speaker 2: bottom of our screen Betrayal Project USA dot org. We
39:10
Speaker 2: do a Saturday podcast on X we do all kinds
39:13
Speaker 2: of other stuff in terms of crimes against humanity. It's
39:17
Speaker 2: a huge organization we've been growing. It's funny how from
39:20
Speaker 2: the inception of the whole COVID pandemic. Somehow, as I
39:25
Speaker 2: was trying to survive, I had connected with people that
39:27
Speaker 2: were asking questions. We were all asking questions, and you
39:30
Speaker 2: know me, I'm like, I got to get help because
39:32
Speaker 2: I was so debilitated, and I came across these people
39:34
Speaker 2: and it started with a zoom call of seven people,
39:37
Speaker 2: and it's kind of morphed into several different things over
39:40
Speaker 2: the last almost six years now, but the Betrayal Project
39:44
Speaker 2: USA dot org growing. We talk about people's stories, we
39:47
Speaker 2: talk about all when you compare charts and notes of
39:49
Speaker 2: all these people who've lost loved ones and some victims,
39:53
Speaker 2: you know, survivors, people like myself that if anybody heard
39:56
Speaker 2: my story, they'd be like, man, how did you manage
39:58
Speaker 2: to survive through that? But there's far greater stories, more
40:02
Speaker 2: tragic stories. And so as that group grows, as we
40:05
Speaker 2: continue to put things out on X you know, I
40:07
Speaker 2: think words going to get around, and you know, we
40:09
Speaker 2: will do all we can and It's interesting because I
40:12
Speaker 2: think people are out there in the audience today, their
40:14
Speaker 2: jaw is probably down to the floor because normally I'll
40:16
Speaker 2: get a question from a caller or two. But I
40:18
Speaker 2: still think they're all in like shock.
40:20
Speaker 4: Like is this really possible? So it is.
40:26
Speaker 2: We'll save it and we can send it out as well,
40:28
Speaker 2: and we'll send it to you as well, so you
40:29
Speaker 2: can keep sending it. I think taking me and sending
40:32
Speaker 2: them out is going to get the attention because people
40:35
Speaker 2: will listen to a story, but they won't read a paper,
40:38
Speaker 2: you know, so we'll.
40:40
Speaker 4: Spreading the word.
40:41
Speaker 2: But I'm just so stunned, I you know, not shocked,
40:45
Speaker 2: but I am stunned. And we've got a word.
40:49
Speaker 5: And it's interesting, you know, you talked about just stories
40:54
Speaker 5: people tell and things that you know. And it's funny
40:57
Speaker 5: because when this all back during the pandem Initially I
41:01
Speaker 5: was very pro vaccine because I thought this represented a
41:04
Speaker 5: great technology that we can use, you know, and I
41:07
Speaker 5: believe the narrative, right, I mean, why wouldn't.
41:09
Speaker 3: I believe what they were telling me?
41:11
Speaker 5: But that didn't mean like what they started to say
41:13
Speaker 5: just didn't make any sense. I was like, okay, so
41:16
Speaker 5: this is the first virus in the history of the
41:18
Speaker 5: world and all of virology, that there's no natural immunity
41:21
Speaker 5: to like, where where did that come from? And then
41:25
Speaker 5: the whole concept of well, if I should shun you
41:28
Speaker 5: for not getting vaccinated even though I got vaccinated, but
41:30
Speaker 5: if the vaccine works, why would I care if you
41:32
Speaker 5: got vaccinated or not.
41:33
Speaker 3: What difference would it be to me?
41:34
Speaker 5: Like I'm not going to get sick, right, So, but
41:37
Speaker 5: they were telling you, oh, the people who don't get
41:39
Speaker 5: vaccinated of putting everybody else's lives at risk. I like,
41:41
Speaker 5: how is that You're telling me I'm safe if I
41:43
Speaker 5: get vaccinated. Why Why does the person next to me
41:46
Speaker 5: matter if they get get vaccinatedor don't get vaccinated. So
41:49
Speaker 5: their whole logic just just completely fell apart, and I
41:52
Speaker 5: started to say, wait a minute, what And then I
41:54
Speaker 5: started to look at the data a little bit more carefully,
41:56
Speaker 5: and I was like, wait, this data doesn't really hold muster,
42:00
Speaker 5: and where are the actual studies, which.
42:03
Speaker 3: You know, they didn't really release.
42:04
Speaker 5: And it was just one thing after another that really
42:08
Speaker 5: started to send me down that pathway. And then, like
42:10
Speaker 5: I said, it was it was that plus the you
42:12
Speaker 5: know this this the monoclonals, which obviate the need to
42:16
Speaker 5: get to get vaccinated because you don't need a vaccine.
42:19
Speaker 3: If you're gonna get a cure, I lose you. Hello.
42:23
Speaker 6: Uh, there seems to be a little bit of a
42:24
Speaker 6: hiccup and patiology comes back. But please telling us about
42:29
Speaker 6: everything possible.
42:30
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, thank you.
42:32
Speaker 5: So you know people, if you if you're interested in
42:34
Speaker 5: and you can help, please by all means. I My
42:36
Speaker 5: website is www dot ronelfinbind dot com, r O N
42:40
Speaker 5: E L F E N B E I N dot com.
42:44
Speaker 5: There's information on there, there's the gifts and go if
42:47
Speaker 5: you can afford to, please, by all means, please give
42:49
Speaker 5: what you can because this the legal bills have just
42:51
Speaker 5: been astronomical and I couldn't work for two years.
42:55
Speaker 3: Thank god. My wife still has a job. She's a
42:57
Speaker 3: she treats children.
42:58
Speaker 5: With cancer, she's a p trigoncologist. And you know, we
43:03
Speaker 5: could definitely use some help financially.
43:05
Speaker 7: Uh.
43:06
Speaker 5: And then follow me on X because that's my most
43:09
Speaker 5: active social media account. And if you know somebody, please,
43:13
Speaker 5: like I got to get in touch with somebody in
43:15
Speaker 5: the on the Weaponization Task Force, Todd Blanche or somebody
43:18
Speaker 5: else because they're the ones that can that can help.
43:21
Speaker 5: I think this is clearly a case of weaponization and
43:24
Speaker 5: law fair and I think we just need to get
43:28
Speaker 5: this to them. I think it's a slam dunk for them. Frankly,
43:31
Speaker 5: this is what the president's looking for, this is what
43:32
Speaker 5: his mandate was. Fine cases like mine and I just
43:36
Speaker 5: got to figure out how to get it to him exactly.
43:39
Speaker 3: And again, I think.
43:40
Speaker 5: People should care about this because if they can do
43:43
Speaker 5: this to me, they can damn well sure do this
43:44
Speaker 5: to you. They can do this to him, to President Trump,
43:47
Speaker 5: the president of United States, the most powerful man in
43:49
Speaker 5: the world. Why wouldn't they do it to you? Why
43:51
Speaker 5: wouldn't they do it to me? You know they can
43:52
Speaker 5: and they will.
43:53
Speaker 6: So I think we've had a lot of listeners comment
43:58
Speaker 6: on things, but this is and as as unquoting, they
44:03
Speaker 6: have a lot of listeners. They want to thank you
44:04
Speaker 6: guys for doing the show. They y'all have been answering
44:08
Speaker 6: their questions as y'all went along. But nobody, and I
44:11
Speaker 6: mean no one wanted to leave their name today in
44:15
Speaker 6: fear that the government might be getting to what you know,
44:18
Speaker 6: into them.
44:19
Speaker 3: Hi, welcome back, Beck hekay. Yeah, so I'm.
44:23
Speaker 2: Always about what the oddities are that happened. Well, you
44:26
Speaker 2: and I were talking. I guess I was the only
44:28
Speaker 2: one that froze. I just had two giant black SUVs
44:32
Speaker 2: drive out in front of my house, and my computer froze.
44:35
Speaker 2: I had to power the entire thing down because it
44:38
Speaker 2: was stuck. It wouldn't even let me log out of
44:39
Speaker 2: the program, and it was my computer was buzzing like
44:42
Speaker 2: it was about to blow up.
44:44
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
44:45
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but our story is getting
44:49
Speaker 2: out there.
44:50
Speaker 3: Do you you know my father, God rest his soul,
44:52
Speaker 3: used to tell me. You know, he was so nice.
44:55
Speaker 3: I love my father, Like there's no tomorrow. Get wonderful guy,
45:00
Speaker 3: can you keep going? Doctor?
45:01
Speaker 2: Run?
45:01
Speaker 3: Oh? All right? So my father told me one used
45:04
Speaker 3: to say. He used to say all the time.
45:06
Speaker 5: He'd say, you know what, if you've got nothing to hide,
45:08
Speaker 5: there's no reason why you can't talk to people. Why
45:10
Speaker 5: you can't while you can't talk to the government, why
45:12
Speaker 5: you can't you know, like, if you got nothing to hide,
45:14
Speaker 5: just just talk to them. And boy, was he ever wrong?
45:18
Speaker 5: Like I just realized that they will do whatever they
45:20
Speaker 5: can to to make you look at I mean, look
45:23
Speaker 5: at what happened to Michael Flynn, right, the guy who
45:25
Speaker 5: was a war hero. They admitted that they set him
45:28
Speaker 5: up and they they entrapped him, and then then they
45:32
Speaker 5: strong armed him and said, either you're gonna plead guilty
45:34
Speaker 5: or we're going to go after your wife and your
45:36
Speaker 5: son and we're gonna indict them. Like this is stuff
45:38
Speaker 5: that the mafia does, but this is the United States government.
45:42
Speaker 5: Like you should not we shouldn't have to live like that.
45:44
Speaker 5: It's absolutely crazy and totally Unamerican. What's happening to me
45:48
Speaker 5: is the best way to just say, it is completely Unamerican.
45:51
Speaker 5: You know, at least in Stalin esque Russia, you knew
45:54
Speaker 5: what was coming and you expected it. But here in
45:56
Speaker 5: the United States, there's this facade of justice and there's
45:58
Speaker 5: this whole notion of well, we're doing things the right
46:00
Speaker 5: way and blah blah blah, and it's a lot of
46:03
Speaker 5: it's just nonsense, and it's very frightening, and you know,
46:06
Speaker 5: people not wanting to leave their names. I totally get that,
46:08
Speaker 5: Like it's just you know, this is the world that unfortunately,
46:13
Speaker 5: to coin Patty's term, like this is the Biden crime
46:16
Speaker 5: crime waves. I mean, this is what happened. They had
46:19
Speaker 5: no guard brass, they didn't care. I do think the
46:22
Speaker 5: current administration is different. I think the Trump people they
46:24
Speaker 5: do care and they're trying to put an end to that.
46:26
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, I can't explain what you
46:29
Speaker 5: just said, Patty, Like your computer went dead and there's
46:32
Speaker 5: some black SUVs.
46:32
Speaker 3: That's crazy, But I don't know.
46:35
Speaker 6: You know, it's always possible, and she's frozen again. I
46:39
Speaker 6: know they can be jamming her signal. Unfortunately, this is
46:43
Speaker 6: the case. This is the world we live in, and
46:46
Speaker 6: a lot of people don't want to see it because
46:47
Speaker 6: they just want to go along blindly with what is
46:51
Speaker 6: going you know, Oh, well, their little lives. Everything in
46:54
Speaker 6: their little bubble is fine. But when you don't see
46:57
Speaker 6: outside your bubble, you don't participate and you don't know
46:59
Speaker 6: what's going on. And there is Patty speakerphone. All right, Patty,
47:04
Speaker 6: we're on speakerphone here trying to get you to get
47:07
Speaker 6: the word out.
47:08
Speaker 7: It is incredible. I hope I'm doing sound because I've
47:11
Speaker 7: got my back up, but I am literally jammed. It
47:14
Speaker 7: is shutting down my page. It is incredible, Like I'm
47:17
Speaker 7: subtle personal doctor ron I don't know. I can't explain.
47:21
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. This is crazy.
47:24
Speaker 7: I've had this happen, but not to the degree I
47:26
Speaker 7: had a SCIENTI out about the VAC infiltration with doctor Fauci.
47:29
Speaker 7: I can only guess somebody is doing in here, So
47:34
Speaker 7: why don't you finish everything for us and how they
47:37
Speaker 7: can reach out, how they go on and revel if
47:39
Speaker 7: you take it and get all good contact information on
47:43
Speaker 7: and we've got to have you back. I would love
47:44
Speaker 7: to have you back.
47:47
Speaker 3: Love to I'd love to be back.
47:49
Speaker 5: Thank you, and Rebel actually already already prompted me to
47:52
Speaker 5: say all that stuff, so thank you, and I'll say
47:54
Speaker 5: it again.
47:54
Speaker 3: It's websites ron elfenbeind dot com.
47:57
Speaker 5: R O n E l f E n b E
47:59
Speaker 5: I M. There's also a change dot org on there.
48:04
Speaker 5: If you could just sign that, it doesn't cost a dime,
48:06
Speaker 5: it's just a it's a you know, just to send
48:09
Speaker 5: another message to the DJ that this is crazy.
48:12
Speaker 3: But again, I.
48:13
Speaker 5: Think you know people that are hesitant to leave their
48:15
Speaker 5: names and stuff. I get that, I respect it, I
48:18
Speaker 5: totally understand it. But remember if they can do this
48:20
Speaker 5: to me, and they can do this to Donald Trump,
48:24
Speaker 5: the president of the United States. They can damn Welsh
48:27
Speaker 5: or do this to you, and that should scare the
48:29
Speaker 5: hell out of you, and that should prompt you to
48:31
Speaker 5: want to put an end to this. And however, you
48:33
Speaker 5: can exercise your voice to do that. I would encourage
48:38
Speaker 5: you please to do that, because like this is so
48:40
Speaker 5: un American, and it is so horrific and weaponizing you know,
48:45
Speaker 5: your the Department of Justice, like that is just beyond
48:49
Speaker 5: the pale, and they've clearly shown that they have no
48:53
Speaker 5: problem doing it. So I think the more people that
48:57
Speaker 5: object to that kind of stuff, the more pressure there
49:00
Speaker 5: will be and the less likely this kind of thing
49:02
Speaker 5: will happen. I mean, again, the President was a victim
49:05
Speaker 5: of this, and he already said he wants to put
49:07
Speaker 5: an end to it, and he's publicly made that a
49:08
Speaker 5: priority of his administration. So please, like, don't be afraid,
49:12
Speaker 5: just just you know, speak your mind, Call your congressman,
49:15
Speaker 5: call your senators. But but but please let them know
49:18
Speaker 5: this is not acceptable.
49:19
Speaker 3: This behavior is not acceptable.
49:22
Speaker 6: And again we'd like to thank you for being on
49:24
Speaker 6: the show today. Everybody remember to tune back in next week.
49:29
Speaker 6: Patty will be bringing you even more reach out to
49:31
Speaker 6: the doctor and help if you can. Thanks again for
49:34
Speaker 6: joining us, and we'll see y'all next week.
49:37
Speaker 3: Thanks