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Credlin | 20 Feburary · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krebland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show live from London again tonight.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company. Let's get into it. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on the show. A day after the
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Speaker 2: ASIO boss issued a die national security warning, Australian leaders
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Speaker 2: unite with a powerful call to action at Sky's special
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism Summit. Could this be the turning point we
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Speaker 2: need to save our social cohesion? Donald Trump shocks the world,
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Speaker 2: labeling Vladimir Zelensky a dictator, putting the President at odds
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Speaker 2: with Europe. So what's the play here for Donald Trump?
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Speaker 2: And how will this impact efforts to reach a peace deal?
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Speaker 2: Run that a little later, last, more bad news for
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's Green Hydrogen Dreams. Yet another major project falling over.
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Speaker 2: It's all coming apart of the scenes, isn't it. But
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Speaker 2: Labor Steel doesn't seem to get the message and they
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Speaker 2: say don't meet your heroes. But I was very pleased
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Speaker 2: to meet one of mine at arc I and Hers.
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Speaker 2: The former politician now academic who is a former Muslim,
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Speaker 2: has put her life on the line to warn the
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Speaker 2: West about the dangers that radical Islam presents to our
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Speaker 2: very existence.
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Speaker 3: I'm disappointed that people like me who are ignored not
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Speaker 3: listened to, and there were people like me who are
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Speaker 3: saying real multiculturalism is really bad. It's bad for women,
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Speaker 3: it's bad for everyone, it's bad for the immigrants. But
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Speaker 3: we've now run the experiment and what we're seeing is
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Speaker 3: it has filled.
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Speaker 4: She's amazing.
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Speaker 2: More on my interview with her in a moment, But first,
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Speaker 2: it's easy to support President Donald Trump's enthusiasm for stopping
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Speaker 2: the killing in Ukraine, but it's hard to agree with
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Speaker 2: his assessment that Ukraine started it, the president Zelinski is
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Speaker 2: a dictator, and that he's only continuing it because he's
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Speaker 2: on a gravy train of US financial support. Now, in
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Speaker 2: domestic policy, Trump's had the most consequential start to any
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Speaker 2: presidency in decades, abandoning the net zero madness, ending the
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Speaker 2: gender madness, in the employment madness where companies hired workers
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Speaker 2: on the basis of every other attribute other than merit,
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Speaker 2: and taking an acts to the profligate government spending with DOGE.
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Speaker 2: But when it comes to foreign policy, is judgment is
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Speaker 2: not as share footed, threatening twenty five percent tariffs against
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Speaker 2: Canada and Mexico might have been a negotiating tactic to
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Speaker 2: make them take their border responsibilities seriously, which they seem
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Speaker 2: to have done, but it's hard to see much art
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Speaker 2: of the deal and taking the Russian dictator side against
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Speaker 2: the Ukrainians who've literally been finding for their freedom with
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Speaker 2: their lives pretty successfully, you might add, against the odds
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Speaker 2: for almost three years now. Maybe there's a big play
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Speaker 2: here to try and detach Russia from China, which might
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Speaker 2: make sense, but not if it means throwing Ukraine under
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Speaker 2: the bus. Maybe he's trying to force the Europeans to
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Speaker 2: take more responsibility for their own defense, which they should,
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Speaker 2: which they must do because they've been free writing on
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Speaker 2: America for years. What's hard to take as a spectacle
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Speaker 2: of the Americans and the Russians deciding on the fate
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine without any input whatsoever from the Ukrainians who've
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Speaker 2: been sidelined in this respect. There's real echoes of the
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Speaker 2: Munich Agreement in nineteen thirty eight, when Chamberlain talked directly
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Speaker 2: to Hitler and then dismembered Czechoslovakia in order to secure
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Speaker 2: peace in our time, which is history. Records lasted barely
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Speaker 2: a year and had the West fighting for its very
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Speaker 2: survival against a nasty regime that was emboldened by the
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Speaker 2: West's weakness.
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Speaker 4: Remember that lesson of history.
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Speaker 2: Weakness is provocative and any suggestion that we would just
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Speaker 2: roll over to Putin is just that, not merely an
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Speaker 2: opportunity that it gives him in Ukraine, but more importantly
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Speaker 2: the message it then sends to the real danger here,
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Speaker 2: and that's China. And hard to imagine that Trump would
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Speaker 2: want to start his presidency by giving Putin the great
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Speaker 2: prize of turning Ukraine into Russian colonies. But still it's
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Speaker 2: a warning to everyone is counted on sheltering behind the
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Speaker 2: US alliance. We can't take American help for granted. That
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Speaker 2: means us too here in Australia unless we're prepared to
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Speaker 2: do a lot more and spend a lot more on
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Speaker 2: our own defense. And look, speaking of doing more in
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Speaker 2: our own defense, that means waking up to China's determination
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Speaker 2: to replace America as the dominant power, not just in
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Speaker 2: our region.
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Speaker 4: The wider world.
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Speaker 2: If we needed any reminding, the sale passed the two
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Speaker 2: Chinese warships down our east coast, about one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty no miles off Sydney, a cruiser and a frigate
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Speaker 2: within Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone is.
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Speaker 4: The first time the first.
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Speaker 2: Time a Chinese he has ventured so close to us
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Speaker 2: other than on an official visit. Did you know, for example,
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Speaker 2: that because of their massive military build up in recent years,
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Speaker 2: the Chinese Navy now has far more ships, although not
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Speaker 2: more tonnage, than the American navy.
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Speaker 4: Now, we've got.
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Speaker 2: Two choices here to the play that's clearly underway from China.
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Speaker 2: The first, we take Paul Ketting's advice and we try
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Speaker 2: to make the most of living in China's backyard. That's
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Speaker 2: essentially how his labor successor, Anthony Albanese is managing the
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Speaker 2: rise of China. All we could accept the advice that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is giving all of America's allies, and that's
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Speaker 2: to make ourselves too strong to be bullied by rapidly
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Speaker 2: expanding our own armed forces to secure peace through strength.
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Speaker 2: But if it's the latter that we defend what we prize,
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Speaker 2: in fact, chance of that happening on the current government,
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Speaker 2: who are now uncomfortably close to Beijing and in and
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Speaker 2: operational terms, incompetent when it comes to scaling up our military,
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Speaker 2: and if we are to be stronger militarily, we're going
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Speaker 2: to stop making ourselves weaker deliberately through acts of economic
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Speaker 2: self harm. As discussed last night, Now zero is driving
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Speaker 2: the likely closure of the way Ola Steel Works, even
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Speaker 2: though it's the only place in the country that produces
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Speaker 2: railway steel. Also, what's becoming apparent is the fragility of
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Speaker 2: the aluminium industry as well. The giant Tomico aluminum smelton
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Speaker 2: in Newcastle is already slated to close by twenty thirty
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Speaker 2: unless it can be supplied with a source of zero
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Speaker 2: emissions electricity. And the only option there we know that's nuclear.
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Speaker 2: We know what labour thinks of nuclear. But the government's
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Speaker 2: green zeal is now being compounded by the government's union subservience.
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Speaker 2: You think the unions would find to save workers' jobs,
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Speaker 2: but no, the union's just bummed on. We'll strike action
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Speaker 2: at tom Ago for three years of annual above inflation
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Speaker 2: pay rises, plus backpay, plus sign on bonuses, all at
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Speaker 2: a plant that's hardly profitable, just because the parent company
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Speaker 2: Rio is making a.
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Speaker 4: Profit on other sites. Now this is madness. Be warned.
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Speaker 4: There'll be much more of.
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Speaker 2: It if we end up with a labor Green minority
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Speaker 2: because the reality is against this weak prime minister. It
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Speaker 2: would be Adam Band that calls the shots. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to Camberinow for the headlines Skannies political reporter
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Speaker 2: Cam Redden.
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Speaker 5: A hard heart for hard times, but finally light at
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Speaker 5: the end of the tunnel for workers at the Wayala
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Speaker 5: Steel Works. The federal and South Australian governments will fund
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Speaker 5: a two point four billion dollar rescue package to pay
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Speaker 5: some of its debts and save three thousand jobs. You're
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Speaker 5: going to get paid, your futures are secure, and the
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Speaker 5: people at this state of this country are going to
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Speaker 5: have still made here for a long time to come.
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Speaker 6: The former government told the South Australian car industry to
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Speaker 6: bugger off.
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Speaker 1: You'll recall that.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's not what my government's about.
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Speaker 5: Back in Canberra, Asio has revealed foreign agencies have plotted
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Speaker 5: murders on our soil, warning bad actors not to meddle
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Speaker 5: with Orcus or other Australian affairs.
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Speaker 2: We see you interested in Orcus, we see what you're doing.
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Speaker 6: When we see you, we will.
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Speaker 7: Deal with you.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, to take you through what's making headlines My
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Speaker 2: partner in crime this week, colleague Steve Price.
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Speaker 6: Steve welcome, good on you, Peter, thank you for that
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Speaker 6: wonderful stuff out of London this week. Plenty more to
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Speaker 6: come tonight. Bye at home. As we just saw in
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Speaker 6: myo state of South Australia, you all, every taxpayer in
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Speaker 6: Australia has tipped in two thousand, four hundred million dollars
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Speaker 6: into saving a steel mill run into the ground by
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Speaker 6: a UK billionaire by the name of Sanjeev Gupta. This
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Speaker 6: on top of course of the sixty one million dollars
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Speaker 6: Minister Chris Bowen tipped in for a green hydrogen project
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Speaker 6: that was in January last year. So in total into
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Speaker 6: one industry in one regional South Australian town four hundred
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Speaker 6: kilometers north of Adelaide, close on two point five billion
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Speaker 6: dollars and for what, well, the good thing is the
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Speaker 6: jobs will be saved, as we just saw from Peter
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Speaker 6: Malanowskis there little businesses ripped off by Gupta's operation or
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Speaker 6: get paid? But what's the price we are paying going
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Speaker 6: to actually deliver for the taxpayers of Australia. For our
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Speaker 6: two and a half billion dollars, well around two billion
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Speaker 6: will be tipped into a steel meal upgrade to ensure
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Speaker 6: the future owner can manufacture steel using green energy sources. Now,
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Speaker 6: surely if someone wants to buy the Wyala steel mill
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Speaker 6: and use sun and Win to make steel, then they
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Speaker 6: should spend the money themselves. The Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 6: turned that cash injection today into an election stump speech
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Speaker 6: about the Maid in Australia fund, but no mention of
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Speaker 6: what happened to that original sixty one million dollars. Look,
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Speaker 6: I grew up in South Australia. I feel for the
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Speaker 6: people of Whyala who were looking at losing their jobs.
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Speaker 6: I feel for those contractors who've not been paid now,
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Speaker 6: some of them for months. But I have to ask,
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Speaker 6: would there not be dozens of operations under financial threat
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Speaker 6: right around Australia that could make the same case. But
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Speaker 6: it seems if you have the word green in your
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Speaker 6: production output, it's okay to have your handout. Joining me
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Speaker 6: now is Skyne News political reporter Cam Red And speaking
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Speaker 6: of Wyaler, the Prime Minister rushed up there today. He
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Speaker 6: was there with Peter Malanowskas Cam. He announced that two
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Speaker 6: point four billion dollar investment to keep the steel works
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Speaker 6: afloat after the state government forced that plan into administration.
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Speaker 6: It's a hell of a lot of money, but I
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Speaker 6: guess we're on the eve of an.
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Speaker 1: Election there we are.
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Speaker 5: Indeed, Stephen, you mentioned they're the number of jobs that
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Speaker 5: are tied up in this. It's not just the one
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Speaker 5: thy one hundred people that work at the steel works.
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Speaker 5: It's the cafes in the local area. It's the many
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Speaker 5: businesses that are attached to this and that town that
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Speaker 5: depends on this ongoing. So you can see why there
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Speaker 5: was this immediate rush by the government, both state and
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Speaker 5: federal two point four billion dollars joint funded. I should
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Speaker 5: note too, between the levels of government to keep it
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Speaker 5: alive at least in the short term.
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Speaker 4: Interesting.
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Speaker 5: I think it's worth drawing a comparison here between the
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Speaker 5: way that the government has responded to Wayala, for example,
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Speaker 5: versus how it responded to Rex. In that case where
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Speaker 5: Rex Airlines is also on the blink, the government is
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Speaker 5: leaving the option open of acquiring that airline and taking
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Speaker 5: a stake in it to protect those routes. Now, the
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Speaker 5: Coalition has been critical of that, saying, hey, leave it
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Speaker 5: to the market. There could be a role for these
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Speaker 5: other smaller airlines to come in and fill those routes.
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Speaker 5: And the sake of Whyala though they believe there will
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Speaker 5: be a buyer out there to keep it afloat and
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Speaker 5: get it away from Sanjiv Gupta. Clearly there's a great
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Speaker 5: deal of unhappiness with the way that this steel works
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Speaker 5: has been run. And of course, the other looming factor
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Speaker 5: to all of this is the impact of steel tariffs. Now,
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Speaker 5: this lifeline might get Wyala through the foreseeable future, but
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Speaker 5: if we can't get out of Donald Trump's tariffs on steel,
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Speaker 5: if that exemption isn't able to be secured, what happens then?
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Speaker 5: Because this has brought Wyala to its knees before the
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Speaker 5: tariffs have even come in, So exactly how long the
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Speaker 5: taxpayer will be able to prop that up. If there's
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Speaker 5: another hurdle like new tariffs coming in, well that might
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Speaker 5: complicate matters even further.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just being cynical, I guess, But I wonder
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Speaker 6: whether Rex or Whaler would happen if we were so close,
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Speaker 6: if we went so close to an election. I watched
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Speaker 6: with great interest the ASIO boss Mike Burgesse was on
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Speaker 6: Sky to day, and he made that warning in a
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Speaker 6: pretty grim speech last night On's National Security. He said,
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Speaker 6: this is the annual threat and assessment. He revealed plots
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Speaker 6: by at least three foreign states to harm people living
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Speaker 6: in Australia. I mean, this is really really serious stuff.
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Speaker 6: I saw Defense Minister Richard marlesy denied Australians of vulnerable.
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Speaker 6: So those two things that don't quite add up, do they?
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Speaker 5: Well, I guess they have to put on a pretty
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Speaker 5: strong face and a put forward a message of strength
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Speaker 5: to the Defense Minister Steve. The real complicating factor here
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Speaker 5: and why Richard marles is I suppose so critical to
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Speaker 5: the public narrative on this is the role for ORCUS.
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Speaker 5: It is such a bold proposal where the security agencies
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Speaker 5: and networks for Australia, the US and the UK are
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Speaker 5: becoming more intertwined through this project. Remember too, there is
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Speaker 5: some through what they know is the pillar two of ORCUS,
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Speaker 5: which is the information sharing, a little bit of technology
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Speaker 5: sharing as well. That doesn't involve Nucleus marines. There are
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Speaker 5: some aspects of that that might involve other allies like Japan.
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Speaker 5: India has expressed some interest too. So there is now
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Speaker 5: this more collaborative approach, and I suppose through that network too,
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Speaker 5: that opens up avenues for Australia and our security agencies
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Speaker 5: including ASIO, to get a much clearer picture of some
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Speaker 5: of the threats that are now posed. So it was
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Speaker 5: a pretty stark message and Mike Burgess doesn't mince his
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Speaker 5: words on these issues, setting a pretty clear message to anybody,
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Speaker 5: and you probably don't have to use your imagination as
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Speaker 5: to who some of those nations are that if they
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Speaker 5: want to meddle with Orcus, then Australia will not take
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Speaker 5: too lightly to that. Worth noting as well, Steve that
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Speaker 5: there was a notable of tendance last night at this
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Speaker 5: event by the Chinese ambassador, something that Mike Burgess says,
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Speaker 5: the invitation was extended, were open to all come along
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Speaker 5: and have a look, and that's exactly what he did.
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Speaker 5: But it certainly did make for an interesting optic.
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Speaker 6: Just briefly, kem speaking of aucus three naval ships off
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Speaker 6: the coast from Sydney about one hundred and fifty nautical miles.
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Speaker 6: As Peter just pointed out, that's not very usual. That's
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Speaker 6: the closest they've come to Sydney, I think in a
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Speaker 6: very long time. What's Miles said about that?
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Speaker 5: Well, there's not much you can say other than pointed out, Steve,
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Speaker 5: because they're still technically an international waters they haven't committed
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Speaker 5: any breach of international navigation rules other than sailing closer
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Speaker 5: to Australia and further south than they normally have. Remember,
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Speaker 5: these are some of the vessels that were named last
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Speaker 5: week by the Defense Minister. There was a statement put
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Speaker 5: out where they also noted that recent incident involving a
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Speaker 5: Chinese fighter jet and an AUSTRALIANBAF plane as well, where
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Speaker 5: there was a flare that was let off nearby. Unsafe
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Speaker 5: conduct is the way that Defense frames that. So with
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Speaker 5: these particular ships, Steve, there's not a lot they can
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Speaker 5: do other than point out the fact that they're there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right, Good on you, Cam, thank you for that.
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Speaker 6: Let's go back to Peter in London. She's had an
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Speaker 6: interview with the most intriguing Douglas Murray.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he's certainly brilliant.
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Speaker 2: It's been a real list of a listers on the
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Speaker 2: podium at ARC and the standout there for me was
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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray. You'll know him as the author of books
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Speaker 2: such as The strange death of Europe and war on
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Speaker 2: the West, and they tackle the self inflicted pain that
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Speaker 2: mass migration is doing to countries like Britain, much of Europe,
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Speaker 2: and we fear Australia too, Douglas Murray, thank you. Well,
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Speaker 2: we'll get to the cultural impact of immigration in a moment.
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Speaker 4: But the economic good of.
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Speaker 2: Migration in Australia, we're told it's undeniably positive for the economy,
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Speaker 2: more and more, better and better. And you know, even
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Speaker 2: if in per capita terms Australians.
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Speaker 4: Are worse, often they are.
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Speaker 2: The greater good is more and more people come into
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Speaker 2: our country. What's been the experience economically for Europe and
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Speaker 2: the UK for migration.
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Speaker 8: I mean, that is almost everywhere in the devout world lie.
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Speaker 8: And it's a lie that's been exposed for at least
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Speaker 8: twenty five years now. Migration from the developed world into
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Speaker 8: the developed from the developing world into the developed world
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Speaker 8: does see an uptick sometimes in some of the figures,
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Speaker 8: but the benefits entirely accrued to the migrant, and that
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Speaker 8: makes total sense. And I mean some people are finally
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Speaker 8: coming around to this now. But if somebody moves into
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Speaker 8: a developed society, they have the ability to take out
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Speaker 8: in welfare, they have the ability to take out in
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Speaker 8: housing and much more.
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Speaker 7: It makes sense.
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Speaker 8: And unless somebody is the highest net worth earner, they
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Speaker 8: are going to be taking out more in services than
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Speaker 8: they are going to be putting in in taxes. That
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Speaker 8: is going to be the case for most people at
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Speaker 8: least many years, and in many cases.
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Speaker 7: Their entire lifetime. This has been proven in.
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Speaker 8: Study after study for twenty five years, except that nobody
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Speaker 8: wanted to draw the obvious.
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Speaker 7: Conclusion and act on that.
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Speaker 8: And I wrote about this on the Strange Death of Europe,
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Speaker 8: and I said, then what the economic impacts? Ways that
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Speaker 8: also of the cultural impacts are but the economic impact
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Speaker 8: is clear.
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Speaker 2: When Australia had waves of immigration in post the Second
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Speaker 2: World War, predominantly Greeks, Italians, people fleeing the chaos of Europe.
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Speaker 2: Yes they were culturally different, but they assimilated relatively quickly.
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Speaker 2: They built small businesses, they contributed to Australian life.
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Speaker 4: They are Australian absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Now, what's been so different with migration in the last
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Speaker 2: twenty years into Australia into places like Europe, when people
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Speaker 2: are coming predominantly out of the Middle East.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, there's lots of effects. There are three
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Speaker 8: things a matter of immigration. There is the speed of
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Speaker 8: the migration, the numbers, and the identity of those three.
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Speaker 7: We are capable these.
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Speaker 8: Days of talking about speed, and we are capable of
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Speaker 8: talking about numbers. We're not very good at it, but
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Speaker 8: we're capable of it. The third one, identity, is the
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Speaker 8: one that we're still basically incapable of talking about, and
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Speaker 8: that battles and saddens me because obviously it's something we
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Speaker 8: have to be able to address. And one of the
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Speaker 8: great lies of migration and the identity question in recent
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Speaker 8: years has been that we pretend that although say, Greek
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Speaker 8: to Australia migration is something that's still noteworthy, Afghan to
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Speaker 8: Australian migration last year is not.
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Speaker 4: And that's a lie.
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Speaker 7: Everyone knows it's a lie.
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Speaker 8: The question, in the end comes down to the matter
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Speaker 8: of does the person arriving want to involve themselves into
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Speaker 8: the society and integrate into it. Don't mean you give
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Speaker 8: up all of your heritage or anything like it, but
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Speaker 8: do they want to be Australian. If the answer is yes,
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Speaker 8: then I think most Australians were great glad to have
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Speaker 8: you with us.
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Speaker 7: If the answer is no, what do you do?
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Speaker 2: There was interesting contributions in the forum this morning about
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Speaker 2: the concept of multiculturalism in a sense and in the
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Speaker 2: case of Britain importing into Britain all these various cultures,
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Speaker 2: as if we're somehow ashamed as Brits or in my
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Speaker 2: coast Australians about the primacy or the importance of our
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Speaker 2: own culture, that we end up having no culture at all?
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Speaker 4: Is that a fair statement?
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Speaker 7: That is?
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Speaker 8: This is what I said in The Strange Stuff of
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Speaker 8: Europe was the very we made a very odd decision
20:35
Speaker 8: when era of mass migration began from what was then
20:39
Speaker 8: called the Third World. We made a very strange decision,
20:41
Speaker 8: which was that we were trying to integrate people into
20:44
Speaker 8: our societies by saying, effectively, our societies aren't so great.
20:48
Speaker 8: It's a very strange thing one thinks about it. The
20:51
Speaker 8: world wants to move into your country, but your country
20:53
Speaker 8: says we're bad, And I mean, why would people be
20:57
Speaker 8: trying to move into a bad country.
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Speaker 2: I've watched very closely what you've been doing over the
21:03
Speaker 2: last sixteen months or so ever since October seven.
21:06
Speaker 9: I mean, you have been a.
21:07
Speaker 2: Huge advocate for Israel and shining a light of anti Semitism.
21:12
Speaker 2: It's a scourge around the world, but we've been hit
21:15
Speaker 2: particularly hard, and surprisingly hard in Australian ways.
21:18
Speaker 4: I don't think we could have fathomed.
21:20
Speaker 2: Have you been surprised about the ferocity of anti Semitism
21:25
Speaker 2: in places like Australia but elsewhere that were once I
21:29
Speaker 2: would have regarded as incredibly tolerant.
21:31
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I wish I could say I was surprised.
21:34
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised.
21:36
Speaker 8: I am surprised by the size of the anti Semitic backlash.
21:42
Speaker 8: I was in Australia last last summer, and I was
21:46
Speaker 8: in five different cities, and I think every city I
21:50
Speaker 8: was in, unconnected with my presence, there was some kind
21:53
Speaker 8: of pro Palestinian, anti Israel protest. I was in Sydney
21:59
Speaker 8: and I was thinking, I can't help it. I was thinking,
22:02
Speaker 8: what the hell's it got to do with you? And
22:04
Speaker 8: when I say that, I don't mean that people shouldn't
22:06
Speaker 8: express their humanity. But what these people were doing was
22:08
Speaker 8: expressing their bigotry. And it's partly anti Semitism, and it's
22:13
Speaker 8: partly the spreading of lies, which is obviously connected to that,
22:18
Speaker 8: and then there's the wild ignorance. I spent most of
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Speaker 8: the last few and a half in the Middle East
22:23
Speaker 8: and being with the IDEF in not just Israel, but
22:26
Speaker 8: in Lebanon and Gaza elsewhere, and I've seen them up close,
22:32
Speaker 8: and I've seen the war up close. And it startles
22:36
Speaker 8: me that I go to a country like Australia and
22:39
Speaker 8: I see people on the street talking about the genocide
22:43
Speaker 8: that's not happened, or ethnic cleansing that has.
22:46
Speaker 7: Not happened, or war crimes that have not happened, all
22:50
Speaker 7: the while forgetting to mention who started the war. The
22:54
Speaker 7: war was started by Hamaz.
22:56
Speaker 8: Hamaz were the oneers who broke into Israel and murdered
22:59
Speaker 8: it sits and kidnapped their citizens.
23:04
Speaker 7: You're not allowed to do that.
23:06
Speaker 8: And there is no law of war that says that
23:09
Speaker 8: if you start a war and then begin to lose it,
23:12
Speaker 8: that you should be regarded as the victim.
23:14
Speaker 2: And look, I know you've got a big book coming
23:15
Speaker 2: out in April.
23:16
Speaker 4: We'll wait for that with a lot of interest.
23:18
Speaker 2: But just on the question of radical Islam, I spoke
23:22
Speaker 2: to John Anderson at the start.
23:24
Speaker 4: Of this conference.
23:25
Speaker 2: He says, we must confront the elephant in the room
23:28
Speaker 2: in the West, and that is radical Islam.
23:30
Speaker 4: That's taken a long time for politicians to say that.
23:33
Speaker 8: Yes, it has maybe too long, maybe too long by
23:37
Speaker 8: many decades.
23:38
Speaker 7: Shouldn't be that hard, should it?
23:41
Speaker 4: Shn we confront it? Will we confront it?
23:43
Speaker 7: We'll see.
23:44
Speaker 8: We'll see whether we produce statesmen and women or whether
23:47
Speaker 8: we produce eunuchs.
23:49
Speaker 7: We've produced an awful lot.
23:51
Speaker 8: Of political eunuchs in our countries in recent years. People
23:54
Speaker 8: who even now can't really bring themselves to identify a
23:57
Speaker 8: death cult when they see it. Who between people who
24:00
Speaker 8: fight for life and people who fight for death? Support
24:04
Speaker 8: people who fight for death? Well, I see it. Many
24:08
Speaker 8: Australians see it. I hope we get the politicians. You
24:12
Speaker 8: see it too, Douglas, Mary, thank you, thank you.
24:17
Speaker 2: That new books to in April. I think it's called
24:19
Speaker 2: Democracy and Death Cult. I cannot wait to read it.
24:22
Speaker 2: Look after the break, I'm going to introduce you to
24:24
Speaker 2: a new Credlin regular. Raised in a strict fundamental Islamic household,
24:29
Speaker 2: She's devoted the last two decades to warning the West
24:32
Speaker 2: about the threat of radical Islam sweeping across Europe and
24:36
Speaker 2: Chris Lee sadly Australia too. The brilliant and brave Ian
24:40
Speaker 2: Hersey Ali plus Labour's Green Dreams up in Smoke get
24:44
Speaker 2: another major project falling over.
24:50
Speaker 4: Welcome back to London.
24:51
Speaker 2: Still to come, Donald Trump shocking the world with his
24:53
Speaker 2: take on the Russia Ukraine conflict. Our international panel coming
24:57
Speaker 2: up with Steve Price. But first I'll tell you what
24:59
Speaker 2: I'm I often get to meet my heroes, and I
25:01
Speaker 2: met one of them yesterday. Ion Hersiali, born in Somalia,
25:05
Speaker 2: raised in a devout Muslim household, fled her old life
25:08
Speaker 2: to avoid a force married she had up a refugee
25:11
Speaker 2: as many no in the Netherlands, ultimately elected to parliament
25:15
Speaker 2: and that's why she became an outspoken critic of radical Islam.
25:18
Speaker 2: Now for the past couple of decades, she has been
25:20
Speaker 2: warning us in the West about the threat of unchecked
25:24
Speaker 2: at Muslim migration and the endgame of radical Islam. By
25:29
Speaker 2: speaking out, she's become a target herself violent extremists.
25:32
Speaker 4: She lives in fear of her life, but that's never
25:34
Speaker 4: deterred her.
25:35
Speaker 2: It was my absolute pleasure to be able to sit
25:38
Speaker 2: down with her and speak with a very brave Ion Herciali,
25:43
Speaker 2: Iron Hersiali. I am thrilled to have you on the program.
25:47
Speaker 2: I've been a huge fan for such a long time.
25:51
Speaker 2: How does a liberal society deal with people in our
25:58
Speaker 2: country who literally believe in death to the infidel.
26:03
Speaker 3: Peter, It's wonderful to be with you. That's a very,
26:07
Speaker 3: very big question. I would start by defining what liberal
26:14
Speaker 3: society is. So in this case, we are talking about
26:18
Speaker 3: Australia and see Australia as a nation state with roots
26:24
Speaker 3: in Christianity and Christian morality, and with the constitution, with customs,
26:31
Speaker 3: with rituals, with norms, and that's what you emphasize.
26:36
Speaker 9: If you want to invite people in.
26:38
Speaker 3: From outside of Australia to settle and live in Australia
26:44
Speaker 3: and to belong, I think it's very important to have
26:48
Speaker 3: the conversation with them that this is the place you're coming,
26:51
Speaker 3: Here's what Australia is all about, and in order to belong,
26:56
Speaker 3: you are going to adhere to our norms and we'll
26:59
Speaker 3: tell you why. But if you don't want to adhere
27:02
Speaker 3: to our norms, it's fine. We believe in freedom, but
27:05
Speaker 3: you don't get to live here.
27:08
Speaker 2: What about the term multiculturalism because it's almost celebrated, particularly
27:14
Speaker 2: in places like Australia, and it's almost an embarrassment that
27:19
Speaker 2: our own old culture, in our case predominantly in Anglo
27:24
Speaker 2: culture with Indigenous underpinnings, but our own culture isn't.
27:28
Speaker 4: Good enough on its own.
27:29
Speaker 2: That bringing in all that these people have made us
27:32
Speaker 2: richer and better, but in some instances it's come at
27:35
Speaker 2: a cost.
27:36
Speaker 3: I think the mistake that was made years ago was
27:40
Speaker 3: to apply that philosophy to immigrants, and immigrants who are
27:46
Speaker 3: settled in Australia and given citizenship were also told that
27:50
Speaker 3: they could assimilate or integrate on their own terms, hold
27:54
Speaker 3: onto their own identity, and unfortunately the result of that
27:58
Speaker 3: for some of these and not all of them, but
28:01
Speaker 3: for some of these immigrants, was to.
28:03
Speaker 9: Form their own ghettos.
28:05
Speaker 3: Enter Cratical Islam, which is an international ideology that seeks
28:10
Speaker 3: to transform everywhere it goes and tries to take over
28:13
Speaker 3: control and power, and the philosophy of multiculturalism empowered the
28:20
Speaker 3: Islamists into isolating Muslim individuals, convincing them that the Islamist.
28:27
Speaker 9: Worldview is their worldview and that that is what it is.
28:31
Speaker 3: To be a Muslim turning them against the local populations.
28:36
Speaker 3: The problem you're seeing in Australia is exactly the same
28:39
Speaker 3: problem they have in the United Kingdom, in Germany and.
28:42
Speaker 9: Other parts of Europe. But we also have it in
28:44
Speaker 9: the United States.
28:45
Speaker 3: And so now I think is the time to say
28:51
Speaker 3: multiculturalism as a philosophy has failed.
28:56
Speaker 9: If you want to if you want to bring about.
29:02
Speaker 3: Social cohesion in a nation state, you emphasize what unites us.
29:08
Speaker 3: You don't emphasize what divides us. And multiculturalism is about emphasizing.
29:13
Speaker 9: What divides us.
29:15
Speaker 3: And the way multiculturalism wants is some of these communities minorities,
29:20
Speaker 3: as they say, to be afforded exemptions from the laws
29:27
Speaker 3: that majorities have to uphold.
29:29
Speaker 2: And we say that in the United Kingdom too, don't
29:31
Speaker 2: we With the debate about Sharia law, the debate about
29:35
Speaker 2: marriage to first cousins, that's been a feature of you know,
29:40
Speaker 2: quite a lot of contention in the British Parliament.
29:42
Speaker 4: Recently. You mentioned the.
29:44
Speaker 10: Move by radical Islam across the West. What's they're in
29:48
Speaker 10: game of radical Islam. The artical Islam is they want
29:52
Speaker 10: to bring about Sharia. The endgame is they've got this
29:55
Speaker 10: thing called the caliphates, the Islamic states. That's their utopian reed,
30:00
Speaker 10: that's what they want to achieve. And they don't just
30:02
Speaker 10: want to achieve it.
30:04
Speaker 3: For themselves in their own societies, they want to impose
30:07
Speaker 3: it on the whole world. In fact, after the Arab screen,
30:11
Speaker 3: one of the things, one of the new developments is
30:15
Speaker 3: the original countries of Islam, like Saudi Arabia and the
30:19
Speaker 3: UAE in Egypt, have banned, for instance, the Muslim Brotherhood
30:24
Speaker 3: and have banned other Islamists from preaching or having to
30:28
Speaker 3: do anything with politics. And so you see in the
30:32
Speaker 3: source countries, in the original countries of Islam, Islamism is out.
30:38
Speaker 9: They've then migrated and they've come.
30:40
Speaker 3: To Western societies that pride themselves in freedom of religion,
30:45
Speaker 3: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and so on, and
30:48
Speaker 3: so they've set up shop here and they've decided they're
30:51
Speaker 3: going to start the Islamization process, or they're going to
30:55
Speaker 3: center headquarter the Islamists project from the u Key and
31:00
Speaker 3: from France, and from Germany and.
31:02
Speaker 9: In this case from Australia, which is really strange.
31:05
Speaker 2: Are you surprised at how quickly some of our societies
31:09
Speaker 2: have become radicalized and ISLAMIFIV.
31:14
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because for the last twenty five years
31:17
Speaker 3: I've been banging on about exactly what you're talking about.
31:21
Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised. I'm disappointed that people like me
31:25
Speaker 3: who are ignored not listened to.
31:29
Speaker 9: So I think what we have to do is go.
31:30
Speaker 3: Back to emphasizing the nation set and what unites us
31:36
Speaker 3: to identify the problem with the Islamists. It's infrastructure that
31:40
Speaker 3: they've established that who.
31:41
Speaker 9: Used to islamize amost the school's Islamic centers.
31:45
Speaker 3: Break those up, and I think it is time to
31:48
Speaker 3: deport the article Emams, and it's time to give the
31:52
Speaker 3: citizens who are Muslim who live in Australia the options.
31:56
Speaker 3: Do you want to be Australia, then you're welcome and
31:59
Speaker 3: you see and this is who we are.
32:02
Speaker 9: And if you don't want to.
32:03
Speaker 3: Be an Australian citizen as in an allegiance.
32:07
Speaker 9: To the Australian constitution and flag and laws.
32:09
Speaker 3: And customs, then we are happy to let you go
32:12
Speaker 3: back to where you want to go back to, you know,
32:15
Speaker 3: the country of origin.
32:16
Speaker 2: At home, there's a lot of radical Muslim lostues and
32:19
Speaker 2: preachers and we are really, really reluctant at official level
32:25
Speaker 2: to stamp this out. We tend to tiptoe around the issue.
32:31
Speaker 2: Some of these preachers are on foreign visas. They could
32:36
Speaker 2: be deported, but they are not. And I look to
32:39
Speaker 2: the example of the United States, so the United Kingdom,
32:42
Speaker 2: and people raise this with me every time I come
32:44
Speaker 2: to Britain, they say, learn from our example, Australia, do
32:48
Speaker 2: not end up like we are. I feel we've still
32:51
Speaker 2: got a chance to avert course.
32:54
Speaker 4: Do you think Britain has a chance and Europe has
32:56
Speaker 4: a chance? I am to avert course.
33:00
Speaker 9: The options get harder and harder.
33:04
Speaker 3: I think that Britain still has a chance because the numbers,
33:09
Speaker 3: even though they are a lot higher than twenty years ago,
33:14
Speaker 3: they're still relatively small. That you have to choose the
33:20
Speaker 3: lesser of two evils. What I worry about for Britain
33:25
Speaker 3: and for the rest of Europe is an actual civil war,
33:31
Speaker 3: and we are not at that stage yet. And in
33:34
Speaker 3: Australia there are things you can do now that are
33:37
Speaker 3: relatively easy. And every Briton who tells you learn from us,
33:41
Speaker 3: please learn from them.
33:42
Speaker 9: If the situation is becoming ever more urgent.
33:45
Speaker 3: We are liberal societies, so yes, listen to the to
33:51
Speaker 3: the British people who are warning you now.
33:53
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the start of our chat, you know,
33:55
Speaker 2: I've been a huge fan of you for most of
33:57
Speaker 2: my adult life.
33:58
Speaker 4: I've read all.
33:59
Speaker 2: Of your bookcause I followed your extraordinary personal story. I
34:04
Speaker 2: think you are incredibly brave and I think you are
34:08
Speaker 2: precient to the sense that you warned the West about
34:12
Speaker 2: these issues two decades ago and here we are.
34:17
Speaker 4: One of the things I've noticed in.
34:18
Speaker 2: Recent years has been You've had a huge personal journey
34:22
Speaker 2: in terms of faith, and tell us a little bit
34:25
Speaker 2: about that journey from being a Muslim Islam through now
34:30
Speaker 2: to Christianity.
34:31
Speaker 9: Well, that's been a long Joanney, So I think maybe
34:33
Speaker 9: some of my.
34:34
Speaker 3: Australian audiences not about Infidel where I told my whole story.
34:38
Speaker 9: I grew up. I was born in Somalia. I grew
34:40
Speaker 9: up in Somalia and.
34:42
Speaker 3: In Sodi, Aragia, in Ethiopia and in Kenya. And then
34:47
Speaker 3: I was twenty two years old when I came to Holland.
34:49
Speaker 3: My father had arranged someone for me to marry, and
34:52
Speaker 3: I didn't want to marry him.
34:53
Speaker 9: I didn't want to live with him. And so when
34:55
Speaker 9: I was in.
34:56
Speaker 3: Germany on my way to Holland, on my way to Canada. Instead,
35:00
Speaker 3: I went to Holland and I asked for asylum and
35:03
Speaker 3: I lived in Holland.
35:04
Speaker 9: I had a very good, happy life.
35:07
Speaker 3: Until nine eleven, and that's when I really joined actively
35:10
Speaker 3: joined politics.
35:12
Speaker 9: And a year after that I said I'm not a
35:15
Speaker 9: Muslim anymore. That put me in a lot of trouble.
35:19
Speaker 3: I campaigned for Muslim women who are subjected to what's
35:24
Speaker 3: called honor violence. Yeah, and you've heard of female gender mutilation,
35:29
Speaker 3: honor killings.
35:30
Speaker 9: These girls are pulled out of school.
35:32
Speaker 3: They're forced into marriages they don't want, they're constantly beaten
35:37
Speaker 3: and punished.
35:38
Speaker 9: And I did for a while.
35:40
Speaker 3: I campaigned to bring about awareness to their applight.
35:43
Speaker 2: Well, I've watched you move around the room and at
35:45
Speaker 2: this conference, and I think there's a lot of people
35:48
Speaker 2: that have the same feeling as I do.
35:49
Speaker 4: You're a rock star here, Iron, and I'm so delighted
35:52
Speaker 4: to have had you on the program.
35:54
Speaker 9: Peter. It's lovely to see you.
35:55
Speaker 3: Thank you very very much for having me and to
35:57
Speaker 3: be continued to be continued.
36:00
Speaker 4: Yes, she's watching closely what's happening in Australia. I can
36:03
Speaker 4: tell you now.
36:04
Speaker 2: I'm sure to tell you that Ian Hasili's agreed to
36:06
Speaker 2: you be a regular on the present program, so we'll
36:09
Speaker 2: hear plenty more from her in the weeks and months.
36:12
Speaker 4: Ahead or after the break.
36:13
Speaker 2: Howill Donald Trump's extraordinary attack on the Ukrainian president impact
36:17
Speaker 2: efforts to reach a piece deal in the war with Russia?
36:20
Speaker 4: Because all the reaction from.
36:21
Speaker 2: Sky's anti Semitism summit today, as Australians urge, enough is enough.
36:30
Speaker 6: Welcome back back to London and Peter shortly. It's been
36:32
Speaker 6: an extraordinary twenty four hours around the globe, the Ukraine War,
36:36
Speaker 6: Donald Trump, Gaza hostages peace fire. Let's bring in the panel.
36:40
Speaker 6: Sky On News contributed Kosher Garda joins me and past
36:43
Speaker 6: year of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael dan Be. Look,
36:46
Speaker 6: we've just got some breaking news, some images coming out
36:49
Speaker 6: of Gaza. I mean, this is just so sad. The
36:52
Speaker 6: bodies of the Bivis family have been released. And these
36:56
Speaker 6: pictures a live coming to us from Gaza at the moment.
37:00
Speaker 6: And you know, I saw Chris Kenny's very emotional editorial
37:03
Speaker 6: about it last night, Kosher, and you know, if you
37:06
Speaker 6: look at this and you just can't believe it. Can
37:08
Speaker 6: you live pictures they are it's really extraordinarily sad.
37:12
Speaker 11: This heart wrenching, awful. You know, words can't describe it.
37:16
Speaker 11: On some level, maybe it does bring some closure in
37:19
Speaker 11: some way, and it certainly as a stark reminder to
37:21
Speaker 11: the horrors of that day and the horrors that existing
37:23
Speaker 11: as well well.
37:24
Speaker 6: I hope, Michael, all those people who have been marching
37:26
Speaker 6: in the streets in Australia see those pictures and realize
37:29
Speaker 6: what they've been marching for.
37:31
Speaker 7: I doubt it.
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Speaker 12: I have little humanity in there there. They're passionate in
37:37
Speaker 12: angst against Israel and Jews. Is not related to reality.
37:41
Speaker 6: I mean, Coach, we thought about hostage exchange. I don't
37:46
Speaker 6: think any of has actually thought, okay, well, some of
37:48
Speaker 6: that hostage is changed.
37:49
Speaker 11: It is going to be bodies, and unfortunately, as a d'
37:53
Speaker 11: is ticked by and now we're what is it, five
37:55
Speaker 11: hundred d's after that time. The rule of these things
37:58
Speaker 11: is usually that the likely unfortunately of living people being
38:03
Speaker 11: returned as diminishus.
38:04
Speaker 6: With each day and every time, Michael, I see those
38:06
Speaker 6: blokes with masks and the green thing bandana around their head,
38:09
Speaker 6: you know, no one's great brave enough to show their face.
38:13
Speaker 12: No, they're all in uniforms. Now now that the ceasefires on,
38:17
Speaker 12: they wouldn't be pictured in uniforms when their mates at
38:21
Speaker 12: the BBC and CNN we're complaining about the Israelis attacking them.
38:26
Speaker 6: Those are just quite extraordinary scenes. They're absolutely heartbreaking. Imagine
38:32
Speaker 6: you know the relatives of that family. Let's move on
38:35
Speaker 6: to Donald Trump. Now he shocked the world. I think Ukraine.
38:39
Speaker 6: He says they started the war with Russia. His labeled
38:42
Speaker 6: president Vladimir Zelenski a dictator without elections, and in a
38:48
Speaker 6: truth social post he warns Olenski, you better move fast
38:51
Speaker 6: where you're not going to have a country left kosher.
38:54
Speaker 6: What's he up to?
38:56
Speaker 11: Definitely bombastic, as things Trump says are tend to be here,
38:59
Speaker 11: but there is method to the madness. So here's how
39:01
Speaker 11: I see the landscape. Right now, he is in the
39:03
Speaker 11: driver's seat and the United States is in the driver's
39:05
Speaker 11: seat in this negotiation. Why because money talks. And if
39:08
Speaker 11: you put in three hundred and fifty billion dollars and
39:10
Speaker 11: are the most powerful nation, you.
39:12
Speaker 4: Are at that table. So he's looking at.
39:14
Speaker 11: It through his America first perspective, which is what can
39:16
Speaker 11: he get out of this? Number one thing is peace.
39:18
Speaker 11: He wants the carnage to end their people. Over a
39:21
Speaker 11: million people have died on both sides. Number two is
39:23
Speaker 11: some sort of financial payback. Is what he's talking about,
39:25
Speaker 11: to get some of that money back in terms of
39:27
Speaker 11: rare earth minerals or a loan structure and audit. And
39:30
Speaker 11: then he's using this as sort of setting up the
39:32
Speaker 11: chess board to realign America's position in maybe a multipolar world,
39:37
Speaker 11: shifting the dynamic with Europe, defend yourselves a little bit more,
39:40
Speaker 11: step up a little bit more, and normalizing relationships with Russia,
39:43
Speaker 11: as fraught as they may be, that actually is a
39:45
Speaker 11: return to normalcy of US and Russia. So he's trying
39:48
Speaker 11: to play that whole chess board, and this tweet is
39:50
Speaker 11: just one thing alongside.
39:52
Speaker 4: JD.
39:52
Speaker 11: Vans Hegg said, everything that you're seeing happening in the
39:54
Speaker 11: last week is part of that chess game.
39:55
Speaker 6: Well, I want to look a bit the summit that
39:58
Speaker 6: was Hill today. That first your.
40:01
Speaker 12: Your take on Trump, there's cases it's an ambit claim.
40:04
Speaker 12: Where's his chief Ukrainian negotiator Kellogg? I think he's changed
40:07
Speaker 12: his own line on this. And as for extorting from
40:12
Speaker 12: the Ukrainians, they're rare earths and minerals in order to
40:15
Speaker 12: pay for past American arms. It's extraordinary even for him.
40:20
Speaker 12: I just think he's playing into Russia's hands. It's the
40:23
Speaker 12: Tucker Carson logic that we're going to unilaterally declear peace
40:30
Speaker 12: like the Germans did with the checks and we can
40:35
Speaker 12: then face China in the East. I don't think it's
40:40
Speaker 12: going to work, and it's unseemly to sell out people
40:45
Speaker 12: who are actually at the front shooting back at the Russians.
40:48
Speaker 6: Let's come back to Australia. The Anti Semitism summit was fantastic.
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Speaker 6: Today took place. There was a lot of emotion, a
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Speaker 6: lot of passion. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 2: We are here today because we will not accept this
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Speaker 2: new reality. We won't tolerate feeble action any longer, and.
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Speaker 4: We are determined that this day will mark a turning
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Speaker 4: point in the battle for our country.
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Speaker 1: Should this be declared a national emergency?
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Speaker 7: Yes, that declaration should be made today.
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Speaker 1: Combating anti Semitism.
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Speaker 6: Is not just the Jewish communities fight, it's Australia's fight.
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Speaker 6: Really powerful speech by Josh Frodenberg. Michael, your old seat
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Speaker 6: in Melbourne, big Jewish population, and they would have welcomed
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Speaker 6: that summer. Today, you think the Albanezy government actually now
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Speaker 6: understands how weak they've been on this.
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Speaker 12: They don't get it. Neither do most of the media.
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Speaker 12: Thank heavens for News Corporation, people like you, Steve and
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Speaker 12: all of the presenters here. The Australian Jewish community, like
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Speaker 12: a lot of normal Australia, is just grateful that there's
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Speaker 12: a network that stands up against the disorder, against the
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Speaker 12: violence in the streets, which anti Semitism is a subset.
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Speaker 6: We surprised that to Drefus was the Attorney General was
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Speaker 6: heckled and had someone turned it back on him.
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Speaker 7: People walked out. No, I wasn't.
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Speaker 12: Mar's always been a bit of a stiff cardboard politician.
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Speaker 12: He's a good barrister, an ask questions in question time.
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Speaker 12: But people are looking at the government's record and they're
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Speaker 12: not satisfied. They're very grateful for News. At least you
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Speaker 12: have the summit, you had the special. The ABC finally
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Speaker 12: caught up with it and had a.
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Speaker 6: Program on seven third where it was kosher. I mean
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Speaker 6: the thing that I took out it today when we
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Speaker 6: had all of those very special people talking through all
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Speaker 6: of the events that have taken place both in Melbourne
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Speaker 6: and in Sydney. When you package it all together like that,
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Speaker 6: you realize how bad it's become.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, certainly here, and you see it in the liberal
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Speaker 11: democracies all around the world.
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Speaker 4: And there are many reasons for it, but.
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Speaker 11: One pathway really does lead back to the experiment of
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Speaker 11: mass migration. It really does stump back to that. And
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Speaker 11: you just import people from all sorts of different cultures,
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Speaker 11: trust that multiculturalism is going to work clean and then
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Speaker 11: it doesn't. I mean, you have people with very different
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Speaker 11: values and then you see that's spilling out when it's
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Speaker 11: a pressure environment, and then something like October seven happens
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Speaker 11: and I'll help break Sluis in terms of shattering that kosher.
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Speaker 12: The ASIO Director General says that this hasn't platawed yet.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, and goodness that comment. If it can
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Speaker 6: get worse, what could happen? I mean, that's the sad
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Speaker 6: thing about this. I thought the summit was an outstanding
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Speaker 6: effort today and I think now we've really put the
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Speaker 6: pressure back on the alban easy government on the government
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Speaker 6: in Victoria, Cindere Allen, no hope there. Chris Min's at
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Speaker 6: least in New South Wales has been pretty strong, but
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Speaker 6: good on. Good luck to everyone.
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Speaker 7: He actually become the leader before the Labor Party. Take
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Speaker 7: this series.
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Speaker 6: Two state premiers who could lead the Labor Party better
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Speaker 6: than Alberaniza Kosher, Michael, thanks for coming in. Appreciate If
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Speaker 6: you missed that suthing today, you can watch it on
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Speaker 6: demand on skynews dot com dot au. Let's head back
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Speaker 6: to London straight after the break.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well the fall I continues after the announcement of the
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Speaker 2: closure of the Whale Steel Works in an administration as
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Speaker 2: I said, it's a disaster to lose our capacity to
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Speaker 2: make steel, particularly the only place in Australia that can
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Speaker 2: make our railway tracks. Matt Canavan told me that Matt
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Speaker 2: Canavan joins me now on the desk here in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that it was the only place, in terms
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Speaker 2: of sovereign capacity where we get that sort of steel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Look, we only have two steel mills left in Australia
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Speaker 13: and that itself should be a cause of national embarrassment.
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Speaker 13: We are, of course the world's biggest exporter of iron
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Speaker 13: ore and cocin coal, the two main ingredients to make steel,
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Speaker 13: yet we only make half our steel needs.
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Speaker 1: We import around fifty percent. One of those steel mills.
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Speaker 13: At the iel Warra, the blue scrape mill, does not
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Speaker 13: make structural seal only Wayala does that. So the steeler
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Speaker 13: goes into bridges, into buildings and into railways. If we
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Speaker 13: want to build a railway in Australia from scratch from
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Speaker 13: our own are in our cocin coal. We have to
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Speaker 13: keep Whaler going is very important from our national interest perspective,
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Speaker 13: but it should have never gotten to this day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just on that point, I mean, sixty million dollars
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Speaker 2: was put into Wyala to keep it a float last year,
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Speaker 2: our money, taxpase money by Chris Bowen, and twelve months
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Speaker 2: later it's an administration.
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Speaker 4: Where was the due diligence?
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Speaker 13: Well, I can only imagine that Chris is a little
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Speaker 13: bit starry eyed about the green agenda. That sixty million
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Speaker 13: dollars was to help Wyala go into and produce so
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Speaker 13: called green steel. And the likes of Chris have been
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Speaker 13: telling people fairy tales now for years that somehow would
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Speaker 13: be easy, to be easy to be green. Well, this
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Speaker 13: is not the Muppets. It's not easy to be green.
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Speaker 13: We're run by muppets, but it's actually not the Buppet show.
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Speaker 13: It's not easy being green. It's really really hard. It's
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Speaker 13: really really costly. And the green chickens now are coming
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Speaker 13: home to roost for not only Whyala, but for all
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Speaker 13: Australian taxpayers potentially on the hook now for two point
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Speaker 13: four billion dollars. And just to put this perspective, we're
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Speaker 13: actually charging Waler a carbon tax at the moment because
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Speaker 13: of our well, the Labor Party has this thing called
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Speaker 13: the safeguard mechanism. It's an all weeally in term for
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Speaker 13: a carbon tax. Wyaler is one of the two hundred
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Speaker 13: and nineteen factories and mines around Australia that's charged this
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Speaker 13: on the current.
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Speaker 2: Process that's rubbing peed to pay Pal. So at the
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Speaker 2: same time as poor old taxpayers are pumping in two
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Speaker 2: point formula the.
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Speaker 13: Current carbon prices, Whaler would be up for around a
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Speaker 13: nine hundred million dollar bill to get to the NED
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Speaker 13: zero by twenty fifty. But most people think those carbon
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Speaker 13: prices will increase as it becomes tougher and tougher to
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Speaker 13: do so. And you're looking at potentially, you know, we're
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Speaker 13: around the two billion dollars the amount we're actually giving
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Speaker 13: them as a liability in the carbon tax. So one
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Speaker 13: idea would be, why don't we just remove these taxes?
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Speaker 13: Why are we having a public meltdown about Donald Trump
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Speaker 13: putting a tariff on Wyaler, on Waler's products when we're
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Speaker 13: putting our own internal tariffs and barriers through carbon taxes.
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Speaker 1: Why don't we just get rid of those and whole
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Speaker 1: businesses go.
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Speaker 13: Now, Whaler does need investment, it's old, and we probably
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Speaker 13: need some degree of public investment here, but it's going
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Speaker 13: to be a lot lot harder when we put an
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Speaker 13: anchor on the ma hand break on them through carbon taxes,
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Speaker 13: rather than let them just produce a product and do
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Speaker 13: as best they can.
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Speaker 2: And I also understand that this two point four billion
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Speaker 2: dollars is predicated again on this fantasy of green steel. Now,
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Speaker 2: why can't we let them just make the best steel,
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Speaker 2: the steel that we're going to need for a national security,
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Speaker 2: not just our economic security.
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Speaker 4: This steel that they do so well.
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Speaker 2: With whatever they've got at hand, whatever fossil fuels, they
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Speaker 2: need to do to make it fast and as cheap
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Speaker 2: as possible.
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Speaker 13: That's that would make sense from our national interest. Why
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Speaker 13: we're doing this is to be self sufficient and steel.
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Speaker 13: So let's just make the steel, because what will happen
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Speaker 13: if we fail? If Whaler can't produce the steel at
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Speaker 13: a reasonable cost. Of course, Australian businesses will just continue
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Speaker 13: and increase, probably to import steel from China and so.
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Speaker 13: And theyre not a news flash to the government, to
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Speaker 13: Chris Bowl and anthy but easy. China is not producing
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Speaker 13: green steel.
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Speaker 1: And it's not.
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Speaker 4: It'sermission size.
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Speaker 1: So we will buy the non green steel overseas.
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Speaker 13: And the detail is really important here as well. We're
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Speaker 13: here in the UK. They've they've propagated this myth that
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Speaker 13: they could make green steel. What they're actually talking about
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Speaker 13: is building what's called an electric arc furnace, so you run,
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Speaker 13: you make the steel for electricity. You cannot make steel
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Speaker 13: from scratch with an electric art furnace, so all you
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Speaker 13: do is using scrap steel, recycled steel to melt that down.
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Speaker 1: You can do that, but we're a growing country.
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Speaker 13: I would posit that we must maintain the sovereign independent
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Speaker 13: capability to make steel from scratch to make steel from
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Speaker 13: our iron ore and cocon coal resources, and that means
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Speaker 13: a blast furnace and right now that does mean you
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Speaker 13: generate carbon emissions.
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Speaker 2: They can have green steel here obviously in the UK
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Speaker 2: because they have nuclear power which is zero missions.
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Speaker 4: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this all comes to light when you think
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Speaker 2: that we've got Chinese warships off the coast of Australia
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Speaker 2: in places that they haven't been before, and we're squabbling
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Speaker 2: over domestic sovereign capability of steel.
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Speaker 13: Look, it's very disparting and there's a real dichotomy here
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Speaker 13: where we often have for our senior security officials raise
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Speaker 13: the prospect that we could face serious conflict with China
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Speaker 13: in the next decade or so very very soon. Yet
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Speaker 13: at the same time we only act on things like
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Speaker 13: Whaler when we reach a crisis point.
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Speaker 1: There is no long term plan here.
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Speaker 13: There is no broader agenda to bring back independent manufacturing
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Speaker 13: to our country.
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Speaker 1: We must do that.
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Speaker 13: Maybe while it is the warning bell that will wake
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Speaker 13: us all up, the alarm clock that show well there's an.
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Speaker 2: Election matte, maybe that's where the alarm bell has to
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Speaker 2: be rung. Great to see you in London, Thank you too.
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Speaker 2: Be all right, well, the elections and the offing.
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Speaker 4: I'll over there.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back in Australia next week. Up next though,
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Speaker 2: and you bolt.