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Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: Bo’s Phillies meeting, Cards-D’backs Arenado trade, Kyle Tucker's market · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal is here, and Ken, we
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Speaker 1: love when news breaks right before the show starts instead
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Speaker 1: of Saturday night at midnight or right after the show.
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Speaker 1: So your thoughts on Nolan Ironato moving over to the Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 2: When I look at it, I'm actually not that surprised,
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Speaker 2: simply because we know the Diamondbacks were interested in Alex Bregman.
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Speaker 2: We know they were looking for a right handed hitting
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Speaker 2: corner infielder, and Aronato from that perspective, makes a lot
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Speaker 2: of sense. So once Bregman went off the board, Arnado
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Speaker 2: to the Diamondbacks heated up, and that is how this
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Speaker 2: came to pass. The one interesting thing about this to
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Speaker 2: me is how much money the Cardinals are paying. It's
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Speaker 2: thirty one of the remaining forty two million. Now some
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Speaker 2: of that is deferred, So the less of a hit
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Speaker 2: to the Cardinals in that respect because they're going to
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Speaker 2: be paying that out and it's deferred money. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, the Diamondbacks are essentially getting Nolan Arnatto
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Speaker 2: for five million one year, six million the next. In
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Speaker 2: this day and age, that's not very much at all.
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Speaker 2: And the pitcher they gave up was an eighth round
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Speaker 2: pick last year, Jack Martinez at Arizona State, and he
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Speaker 2: wasn't listed among the Diamondbacks' top thirty prospects. I imagine
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Speaker 2: hein Blue must have liked this kid out of the
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Speaker 2: draft for some reason. So from the Diamondbacks perspective, it
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Speaker 2: seems to be a win win and the Cardinals, as
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Speaker 2: you guys discussed in the previous segment, this is the
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Speaker 2: route that they're going right now. This is the direction
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Speaker 2: that they're in, rebuilding and trying to put together the
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Speaker 2: next great Cardinals team. It's going to be a few years.
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Speaker 2: But as we've discussed before, this was kind of overdue
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Speaker 2: for them. They kind of held on too long and
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Speaker 2: now it's going to be a crash and they understand that.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, this is the way for
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Speaker 2: them in their minds to move forward.
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Speaker 3: Ken, what can the Diamondbacks fans expect from Aronado? Because
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Speaker 3: we talked about his numbers and how the people are
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Speaker 3: questioning whether he's slipped or not. And the other thing
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Speaker 3: I want to know is how did the Cardinals finally
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Speaker 3: get an Nolan Arnado to agree to a no trade,
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Speaker 3: to waive his no trade because he fought it like
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Speaker 3: hell last year, obviously declining it, and now this year
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Speaker 3: he accepted the trade to Arizona.
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Speaker 2: Well, he obviously wanted out to and he knew that. Listen,
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Speaker 2: at some point he was going to have to be
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Speaker 2: more flexible. And you guys mentioned Katie Who's tweet. She
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Speaker 2: basically said that Ronado was told by the Cardinals, if
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Speaker 2: you're more flexible, we can be more flexible with the money,
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Speaker 2: and let's make this happen. And that seems to be
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Speaker 2: the way this came about. And Arnado did not want
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Speaker 2: to go back to Saint Louis. It was a tough
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Speaker 2: place for him to hit. Now, how much better will
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Speaker 2: it be in Arizona, I don't know, because here's a
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Speaker 2: guy who has been in decline for a couple of
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Speaker 2: years now offensively, and can he get it back? I
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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how much he's lost. So
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Speaker 2: it's going to be really interesting from that perspective to
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Speaker 2: see what noa on Arnado still has left. Defensively, he's
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Speaker 2: still really good, maybe not as elite as he once was,
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Speaker 2: But for me, this is a good move for the Diamondbacks.
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Speaker 2: It raises some questions about what's next with them, What
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Speaker 2: do they do with Jordan Lawler, What do they do
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Speaker 2: with Blaize ally Xander, because remember it could tell Marte
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Speaker 2: is still on the Arizona Diamondbacks. They now have Arnatto
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Speaker 2: a third, Perdomo is short Martey at second. They don't
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Speaker 2: really have much at first base. Peven Smith is a
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Speaker 2: guy who certainly can contribute there. Do they go out
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Speaker 2: and sign Paul Goldschmidt as well, because they've been looking
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Speaker 2: for a right handed hitting first base type. There are
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Speaker 2: a number of those guys still available, so that would
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Speaker 2: be quite interesting if we saw a Goldschmid Arnado reunion
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Speaker 2: in Arizona kind of along those lines.
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Speaker 4: You didn't quite hit it for me. What about that
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Speaker 4: money that they possibly could have spent on Bregman? Is
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Speaker 4: this a once off type of thing when we hear
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Speaker 4: that possibly they are in on Bregmant, Is there another
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Speaker 4: player on the market that if they were to make
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Speaker 4: some moves because they still want their young players to play.
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Speaker 4: Like you said, Lawler and Blaze Alexander had a quality
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Speaker 4: year last year. Is that money Do you think that
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Speaker 4: money's still out on the table for Kendrick the owner,
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Speaker 4: not for.
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Speaker 2: A player of Begman's caliber. They are going to do things,
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Speaker 2: and there's not much question about that. They want to
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Speaker 2: upgrade their bullpen. That is the area of focus right
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Speaker 2: now and it has to be because if you remember,
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Speaker 2: not only is Corbyn Burns recovering from Tommy John surgery,
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Speaker 2: but Justin Puck I'm sorry, Justin Martinez and aj Puck
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Speaker 2: are both covering from Tommy John as well, and they
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Speaker 2: need help in their bullpen before those guys come back.
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Speaker 2: And with Tommy John returnees, you never know exactly what
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Speaker 2: you're going to get, how long it's going to take
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Speaker 2: them to find their form again. So they're still looking.
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Speaker 2: Are they going to spend the amount of money Eric
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Speaker 2: that they would have spent on Bregman No, But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, they are going to upgrade their roster.
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Speaker 2: They're pretty aggressive about it, as we've seen over the years,
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Speaker 2: and this Arenata move speaks to that.
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Speaker 3: Ken, you mentioned that they wanted a right handed hitting
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Speaker 3: and they're not sure what they're going to do at
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Speaker 3: first base. I'm going to ask this because we've had
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Speaker 3: some questions about Gaby Moreno as a catcher defensively, which
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Speaker 3: that was kind of his thing when he first came up,
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Speaker 3: but last year they ended up with mccannback there a
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Speaker 3: lot more. Would there be some thoughts from the Diamondbacks
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Speaker 3: to maybe move Moreno to a first base position and
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Speaker 3: let him learn there, much like what happened with Wilson Contraz.
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Speaker 3: I know, Moreno's much younger and it still has much
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Speaker 3: more upside, but especially defensively, but would that be possibly
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Speaker 3: a thought to help them out if they don't go
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Speaker 3: get somebody.
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Speaker 2: I have not heard that. AJ. I don't believe that
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Speaker 2: they're willing to give up on Gabrielle Moreno as a
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Speaker 2: catcher just yet, but I would imagine teams look at
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Speaker 2: all possibilities and while this might be what a five
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Speaker 2: to ten percent right now, maybe it's something in the future.
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Speaker 2: And if they did that, the problem becomes, you've got
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Speaker 2: to go get a catcher now. JT. Real Mutto is
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Speaker 2: still out there. I mean, we're just playing connect the
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Speaker 2: dots here. We're not talking about anything that we know
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Speaker 2: to be serious. But that would be one issue with
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Speaker 2: moving out from Moreno, especially when he was so highly
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Speaker 2: regarded defensively just a couple of years ago. I don't
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Speaker 2: know that he's lost it there, so I would expect
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Speaker 2: that that's not going to be the solution the way
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Speaker 2: it was described to me. This was before Arnado. There
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Speaker 2: are a number of right handed hitting first base DH
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Speaker 2: types out there, and they can go get one of them,
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Speaker 2: probably at a rate that is pretty good.
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Speaker 4: Based on what's happened in the last two days, Bregman, Now,
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Speaker 4: obviously are not a much smaller deal. Is Kyle Tucker's
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Speaker 4: decision looming closer or is there still another chip that
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Speaker 4: needs to fall before Kyle Tucker's says okay? Now it's time.
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Speaker 2: The Kyle Tucker market is active. And Will Salmon of
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Speaker 2: The Athletic reported on this just today and he said
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Speaker 2: that the Mets similar are in the range of three years,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty to one hundred and forty million.
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Speaker 2: That is what sources have suggested to him. And if
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Speaker 2: that's the case, and if that is their range three
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Speaker 2: one twenty to one forty, then the question becomes, Okay,
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Speaker 2: will the Blue Jays go beyond that? Will the Dodgers
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Speaker 2: go beyond that? Well, the Mets need to raise their offer.
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Speaker 2: So this particular negotiation, the one involving Tucker, with all
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Speaker 2: of these clubs, seems to be coming to a head.
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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if it was this week,
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Speaker 2: next week sometime soon.
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Speaker 3: That's it. Ken's here's my reaction to what you just said.
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Speaker 3: He was supposed to get four They were talking four
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Speaker 3: or five hundred million. Now we're talking three years, one twenty.
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Speaker 4: What happened?
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Speaker 2: What? That's what the Mets we're talking? I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I know, but Bucker is talking, and maybe the Blue
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Speaker 2: Jays are Dodgers are willing to go longer.
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Speaker 6: But you raise a good point aj that the Mets
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Speaker 6: even being at that level, the level that sources have
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Speaker 6: suggested to Will Salmon, shows you that Tucker and the
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Speaker 6: demand for Tucker is not.
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Speaker 2: What we thought it would be going into last season.
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Speaker 2: He's coming off two injury marred years, not his best
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Speaker 2: years because he has had injuries, nothing chronic, nothing that
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Speaker 2: necessarily people need to worry about. But he's had some
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Speaker 2: things happen and he hasn't had maybe the production that
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Speaker 2: he had in Houston. So yeah, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: he's going to get four hundred. I don't know that
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Speaker 2: he was ever going to get four hundred. Could he
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Speaker 2: get three hundred from a team? Is some team willing
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Speaker 2: to step out longer? Of the three we've mentioned, I
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Speaker 2: don't know the answer. To that is yes. Now, the
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays would seem to me to be the most
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Speaker 2: logical one to go long because they've got Springer and
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Speaker 2: Dalton Varshow who are free agents after this season. They
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Speaker 2: are going to need to supplement their outfield in some fashion.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, they've already signed Okamoto, They've
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Speaker 2: done a number of other things in free agency. They
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Speaker 2: seem to be in a mode right now where they
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Speaker 2: are spending and spending rather freely. But all teams have limits,
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Speaker 2: and is a longer term deal for Tucker where their
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Speaker 2: limit is? I don't know the answer to that. But
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Speaker 2: Ajau raise a great point. Where is he going to
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Speaker 2: end up when the expectation was so much higher? Now,
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Speaker 2: one other thing, if he does sign one of those
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Speaker 2: shorter deals with opt outs, he can put together a
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Speaker 2: great year this year and then do what Bregman just
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Speaker 2: did and go out and to the market once again
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Speaker 2: when perhaps he would do better.
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Speaker 4: Does he need to do that? Is he a guy
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Speaker 4: that needs a prove it season? He's gonna turn twenty
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Speaker 4: nine here in a couple of days. Does he need
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Speaker 4: to prove it? Because we just talked about yesterday, teams
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Speaker 4: and agents alike. Look at the last three seasons he
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Speaker 4: had a OPS plus of one one seventy nine injury shortened,
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Speaker 4: I get it, and a one forty three. Because if
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Speaker 4: he gets this again, like Tucker, I mean, like like Bragman,
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Speaker 4: like all the guys, all the guys. Is this a
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Speaker 4: way that owners are really kind of manipulating one more
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Speaker 4: year of you not using your free agency because it's
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Speaker 4: all paid out for all those Boris guys, which you
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Speaker 4: wrote nice, very eloquently in your article.
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Speaker 2: It's a good question, and I don't know the answer
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Speaker 2: to that if it's a concerted strategy of clubs to
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Speaker 2: do this. Certainly with Juan Soto that wasn't a problem.
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Speaker 2: With William Donalas, it wasn't a problem. Those are the
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Speaker 2: two guys who have signed longer deals in the last
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Speaker 2: couple of years, along with on the pitching side to
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Speaker 2: Unca Smax Freed. But with Tucker, it seems and we
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Speaker 2: don't know the answer yet because we have not seen
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Speaker 2: the market play out to the fullest, but it seems
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Speaker 2: that the demand for him is not what we anticipated
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Speaker 2: it would be, and there are reasons for that. The
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Speaker 2: performance what happened in Chicago where he was kind of
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Speaker 2: playing hurt, but he missed some time and it just
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Speaker 2: wasn't great at the end. First half was amazing. So
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Speaker 2: it seems to me it's what the market for him
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Speaker 2: is possibly dictating right now. And I say possibly because
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Speaker 2: he may end up seven years, three hundred. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what the answer is, but Eric, if we see
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Speaker 2: a pattern like this development and it continues to develop
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Speaker 2: where teams are trying to squeeze players to go short,
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Speaker 2: and teams have been successful at this with several players
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Speaker 2: in the last couple of years in free agency, then
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Speaker 2: that question would be fair. But you still have longer
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Speaker 2: terms being given out just not to maybe all of
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Speaker 2: the players that would have received them in the past.
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Speaker 3: I mean, right, so far, the one Scott Boris has
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Speaker 3: signed of worked out Alonzo Snell, Chetan Montgomery, but he
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Speaker 3: got hurt also, so let's not forget. He also had
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Speaker 3: he also had the zipper put on his arm, so
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Speaker 3: he's the one guy. But most of them have worked
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Speaker 3: almost all of them for Boris have worked out. What
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Speaker 3: what about bo? Bo has been kind of queerly quiet
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Speaker 3: even after the Bragman thing. I know he had the
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Speaker 3: meeting with the Phillies, and he had and he's had
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Speaker 3: some talks. But where does Bo Boschett fit Because I
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Speaker 3: think if you start looking at teams now Diamondbackscott arn
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Speaker 3: Nott or to fill their infield hole, right, so you
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Speaker 3: start slowly losing teams for Bo Boschett, where does he
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Speaker 3: fit on a team?
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Speaker 6: Aja?
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Speaker 2: Once again, I encourage you to read The Athletic, and
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Speaker 2: I encourage you specifically today to read.
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Speaker 3: The story of Las Vegas Athletics.
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Speaker 5: No Athletics, that's.
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Speaker 2: The Athletics, that is the sports publication that I work for.
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Speaker 2: Matchil wrote today was just published this morning about this
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Speaker 2: situation with the Phillies and how they seem to have
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Speaker 2: momentum with Bouchett Bashett and they are a team that
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Speaker 2: is not afraid to go along with players. They're the
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Speaker 2: exception to what Eric was just talking about. They've got
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Speaker 2: a number of players under longer deals and it's a
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Speaker 2: separator for them, and it looks like it might be
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Speaker 2: a separator for them with Bashett as well. They'll be
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Speaker 2: willing to go seven years perhaps for a twenty eight
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Speaker 2: to twenty nine year old Bobaschett, where other teams might not.
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Speaker 2: Now will Boston react and respond to losing Bregman by
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Speaker 2: going long on Boba Schett as well. It's possible, but certainly,
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Speaker 2: what we've seen from the Red Sox over the last
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Speaker 2: several years is that they don't like these kinds of
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Speaker 2: deals and the only one they gave out Devers was
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Speaker 2: an overcompensation for losing and trading Mookie Betts. So I
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Speaker 2: don't see Boston necessarily doing it. It's possible. They certainly
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Speaker 2: have a need for that player. They had a need
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Speaker 2: for Alex Bregman. And then you ask about other teams.
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Speaker 2: Could the Dodgers jump in, could the Blue Jays get
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Speaker 2: back in? Maybe? But if the Phillies are the one
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Speaker 2: team want to p only a handful, if the only
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Speaker 2: one willing to go long, then I would expect that
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Speaker 2: they're the favorite froubers chat and they certainly seem to
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Speaker 2: be motivated to do this. They had the meeting yesterday,
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Speaker 2: but by all accounts.
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Speaker 5: That went well.
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Speaker 2: These meetings always go well, and it goes beyond that.
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Speaker 2: It goes to a team that wants a younger position
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Speaker 2: player star they've got some older ones still, and a
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Speaker 2: team that because they've been unable to sign J. T.
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Speaker 2: Wil Muto might be willing to reconfigure its roster in
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Speaker 2: different ways with Bishett as part of that. So if
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Speaker 2: they get him, they probably almost certainly trade Alec Bohm
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Speaker 2: and then we see where they go from there.
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Speaker 4: This is called inside scoop and you're the ultimate insider.
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Speaker 4: So can you confirm or deny my theory that this
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Speaker 4: was a meeting with the Phillies, that the genesis came
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Speaker 4: from Bobachett's camp because of the lack of interest, that
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Speaker 4: the Phillies were like, we're done, and Bobachett's camp call
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Speaker 4: and said we'd love to talk to you guys, and
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Speaker 4: they were like, all right, cool, anytime you get to
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Speaker 4: talk to an all star superstar.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Eric, and I will say this, that
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Speaker 2: would seem to suggest that theory that the interest was
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Speaker 2: more Bushette's than the Phillies, and that does not seem
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Speaker 2: to be the case. The interest here seems to be mutual. Now,
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Speaker 2: how it all got started, that I'm not sure of.
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Speaker 2: But as we've talked about, and as Matt has written
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Speaker 2: about in the Athletic, the genesis of this is the Phillies'
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Speaker 2: inability to get something done with j Tuumuto and a
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Speaker 2: desire that they kind of had anyway to do things
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Speaker 2: a little bit differently. Remember, they've had a great team
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Speaker 2: for a number of years now, but they haven't gotten
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Speaker 2: quite to where they want to go, and this last
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Speaker 2: elimination was particularly disappointing. And we've heard really for two
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Speaker 2: years now they'd like to shake it up, and this
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Speaker 2: is a good way to shake it up, right if
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Speaker 2: you bring in burshett and trade boem So to overstate
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Speaker 2: this coming from Burshette, I think would be a mistake.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me to be mutual. And you're right,
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Speaker 2: teams will always take meetings. I get that, but this
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Speaker 2: late in the offseason, why would either side want to
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Speaker 2: waste either side time?
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Speaker 5: True? True?
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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, there was a list we showed and
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Speaker 3: you mentioned him, JT. Real Muttu. Everyone, I'm assuming just
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Speaker 3: thinks he's gonna automatically go back to Philly, kind of
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Speaker 3: like what the Bragmant thoughts were before he signed with
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Speaker 3: the Cubs. We haven't heard much about him on his market.
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Speaker 3: What's his market like because he's been a great player
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Speaker 3: for the Phillies for a while now.
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Aj and I'm not exactly sure
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Speaker 2: what his market is now. At one point early in
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Speaker 2: the off season, the Red Sox met with him, but
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Speaker 2: I don't since that he is a focus of theirs
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Speaker 2: right now. I might be wrong about that, but I
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Speaker 2: don't get that sense. Then you had other teams that
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Speaker 2: perhaps they traded their catchers, maybe the Giants, if they
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Speaker 2: would trade Patrick Bailey, then they would be a spot
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Speaker 2: for jt. Real Muto, But I haven't seen any indication
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Speaker 2: of that happening either. So you wonder the question is,
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Speaker 2: if not the Phillies, then where And I've been asking
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Speaker 2: this question in my head for a while, so is
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Speaker 2: Matt or Phillies writer. So is other people, and none
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Speaker 2: of us have come up with a good answer. Not
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Speaker 2: to say that there isn't a market. There's always a
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Speaker 2: market for good players. There's someone who's interested, but maybe
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Speaker 2: not interested in the price jt ul Muto wants, because
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Speaker 2: if that was the case, he would have gone by now.
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Speaker 2: And if he's waiting for the Phillies to just finally
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Speaker 2: meet his price, I don't know if that's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: At this point. We're sitting here on January thirteenth and
18:45
Speaker 2: they're talking to Boba Schett.
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Speaker 4: Last one, where do they pivot to if it not JT.
18:52
Speaker 4: Because there's not anybody on the market that's JT's caliber.
18:57
Speaker 4: Do they make a trade and is there significant interest
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Speaker 4: in other catchers where teams will be willing to get
19:02
Speaker 4: rid of them.
19:04
Speaker 2: That's another good question. And Eric Victor Kartini as a
19:08
Speaker 2: free agent, is still out there, probably more of a
19:10
Speaker 2: backup at this point in his career. They've got the
19:13
Speaker 2: other catcher machine or not him, another catcher, the backup
19:17
Speaker 2: that they have. His name is escaping me right now.
19:20
Speaker 2: They trade for a guy like Ryan Jeffers, and there
19:23
Speaker 2: are some catchers who will be available in Trey. I'm
19:26
Speaker 2: sure they can do some things along those lines. But
19:30
Speaker 2: to your point, and you guys know this as former catchers,
19:35
Speaker 2: there is a lot of value to JT. Real Muto
19:38
Speaker 2: with that staff. In particular, he's caught that staff. They're
19:41
Speaker 2: accustomed to him. They like him because he is one
19:44
Speaker 2: of the best catchers in the game. He thinks along
19:47
Speaker 2: with him very well. There's a real connection between j. T.
19:50
Speaker 2: Real Muto and a number of their pitchers. So if
19:54
Speaker 2: they do not sign him, certainly there is a loss
19:58
Speaker 2: there no matter who they bring in, but I'm quite
20:01
Speaker 2: certain they would bring in someone else.
20:04
Speaker 5: Ken good stuff. Appreciate it. A lot to go. I
20:07
Speaker 5: think a lot more to go this week, so we'll
20:10
Speaker 5: talk to you later this week.
20:11
Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
20:26
Speaker 5: Where will bo go?
20:28
Speaker 3: Nobody knows?
20:29
Speaker 4: Apparently the song.
20:30
Speaker 1: Continues, so John Hayman tweeted that the meeting went well.
20:36
Speaker 5: When do they not?
20:38
Speaker 1: Bashett admires first class organization other Plus's roster park maddingly
20:43
Speaker 1: link spring proximity to home with the Phillies, need to
20:48
Speaker 1: deal bowm do lesser catcher than J. T. Hayman, says,
20:53
Speaker 1: other bow suitors, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers more.
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Speaker 5: What's gonna happen here? Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
21:05
Speaker 3: Even Ken Rosenthaler inside Scooper doesn't know.
21:08
Speaker 5: Of course, you know, I want to cue this clip
21:11
Speaker 5: because my thing is.
21:12
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, the Phillies they don't have an immediate fit,
21:14
Speaker 3: so it kind of goes back to a cratz ass.
21:16
Speaker 3: Ken is with Stott and Boem and Trey Turner and Bryce. Okay,
21:19
Speaker 3: their infield is kind of set unless they make a
21:21
Speaker 3: move of one of those guys, and then they would okay,
21:25
Speaker 3: but then they okay. So let's say they do sign bow,
21:27
Speaker 3: they move bom okay, then they BO plays third. I
21:32
Speaker 3: guess mm hmm, okay, fine, but then you probably not
21:36
Speaker 3: bringing back JT. So then you got to go get
21:38
Speaker 3: a catcher. There's a lot of pieces of this. That's
21:40
Speaker 3: why I asked the other day, where does he fit
21:42
Speaker 3: on teams? When you start digging through teams without moves
21:46
Speaker 3: having to be made, and there's there's that's where the
21:48
Speaker 3: market is like, it's interesting, especially if he's not gonna
21:52
Speaker 3: play short stop. Shortstop is a different animal, but if
21:54
Speaker 3: he's playing second, it's a different market.
21:58
Speaker 5: It is, but all of those teams make sense. They
22:00
Speaker 5: just might have to do some maneuvering.
22:02
Speaker 1: On the Phillies topic, the Phillies Show, part of the
22:05
Speaker 1: Ft Network, discussed how this recruiting is being put together
22:10
Speaker 1: by the Phillies organization and there are always players involved
22:14
Speaker 1: for the superstars, but they might actually be pushing some
22:17
Speaker 1: of their friends out.
22:19
Speaker 2: I think it was.
22:20
Speaker 4: Hayman reported that Phillies players have been texting Boba shit.
22:27
Speaker 3: JT is one of the most beloved guys in that club.
22:30
Speaker 4: Posse has everybody's back, I can't believe that sits well
22:33
Speaker 4: with him hearing that.
22:36
Speaker 7: No, I don't know if the players really understand that
22:38
Speaker 7: it's an either or thing.
22:40
Speaker 8: Necessarily. They don't care about that. They they think that
22:44
Speaker 8: there's a good player out there to get they're trying
22:46
Speaker 8: to go get it. I don't think that that's a
22:48
Speaker 8: decision for them, and I don't think that they really
22:50
Speaker 8: think about that. I know that is when I was
22:52
Speaker 8: a GM I want to player, just wanted more players
22:56
Speaker 8: to play with.
22:57
Speaker 7: They have a better team, and I don't know that
22:59
Speaker 7: they know who they know like all the ins and outs,
23:02
Speaker 7: and it doesn't necessarily does it.
23:04
Speaker 5: Preclude that's the real big question.
23:06
Speaker 7: If they get something done with him, does it preclude
23:10
Speaker 7: them signing JT. And that's like the bazillion dollar question
23:16
Speaker 7: literally pun intended, because it's gonna blow a lot of
23:20
Speaker 7: numbers out of the water for.
23:21
Speaker 5: The Phillies as far as their payroll is concerned.
23:25
Speaker 1: If they acquire Bobashett, if they sign him, they likely
23:30
Speaker 1: trade Alec Bohm and there's a little bit of money
23:33
Speaker 1: savings there. I'm actually still in the camp that money
23:36
Speaker 1: does grow on trees. For Phillies owner John Middleton, and
23:39
Speaker 1: that he would bring back JT. O real Muto and
23:42
Speaker 1: sign Bobachett in the right circumstance. But for more, let's
23:45
Speaker 1: go to our Pennsylvania reporter Eric Kratz to get his thoughts. Eric,
23:49
Speaker 1: do you think there is any case where Bobaschett signs
23:52
Speaker 1: with the Phillies and J. T.
23:53
Speaker 5: Ro Muto also signs with the Phillies? Or is it
23:56
Speaker 5: one or the other.
23:57
Speaker 1: JT apparently does doesn't have the crazy market out there,
24:02
Speaker 1: and he knows he's towards the later stages of his career.
24:04
Speaker 1: He probably only wants to go to certain places. But
24:07
Speaker 1: it's not like they're about to sign him to one
24:09
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. I don't even think he's getting fifty
24:11
Speaker 1: million dollars. And again, I know this is massive money,
24:13
Speaker 1: But for the Phillies, is it massive money.
24:17
Speaker 4: When you start talking about that luxury tax threshold, you know,
24:21
Speaker 4: putting them in the one hundred and ten percent threshold.
24:24
Speaker 4: Boem will be a free agent after this year. I
24:27
Speaker 4: think clearly, if something would happen with bo Bom being
24:32
Speaker 4: gone and then you're locking down the left side of
24:34
Speaker 4: your infield or even Statts, free agency isn't that far away.
24:38
Speaker 4: In two years, you know, maybe bo could move to second,
24:41
Speaker 4: Maybe Stott, who's been versatile, could move to third. I
24:45
Speaker 4: don't know how that works in that sense. But last offseason,
24:50
Speaker 4: all the trades about, all the talk about Alec Bohm
24:53
Speaker 4: could be traded, could be traded. Teams are calling about him.
24:56
Speaker 4: So I think they have a rolodex of teams that
24:59
Speaker 4: called about Alec Bohm.
25:00
Speaker 5: It wasn't the Phillies.
25:02
Speaker 4: Actively shopping them. And to me, most likely situation, they
25:06
Speaker 4: don't sign Bow, they signed JT back. Least likely they
25:12
Speaker 4: signed bo and not JT. And so in the middle,
25:16
Speaker 4: I would say second place, they signed JT for a
25:19
Speaker 4: two year deal, probably somewhere in the thirty six range.
25:23
Speaker 4: I think that's that's probably what you know. He'd probably
25:26
Speaker 4: like three years forty seven ish. I think they don't
25:31
Speaker 4: want to go that high. They don't want to stretch
25:33
Speaker 4: it out too long. He is a catcher. But to me,
25:36
Speaker 4: I think they need him back. Here's here's my theory.
25:39
Speaker 4: Sign Bow, move Boem to first for one year. Harper
25:43
Speaker 4: caught in high school. Have Harper catch for one year Boom.
25:47
Speaker 4: You got your whole team.
25:52
Speaker 3: Okay, now that we're playing fantasy Land. Now we're playing
25:55
Speaker 3: dungeons and dragons stranger things. Here's why I think the
26:00
Speaker 3: Phillies can sign both. What's happening at the end of
26:03
Speaker 3: this year, CBA, what's more than likely going to happen.
26:07
Speaker 1: I don't think that, Are you gonna say, cap No,
26:10
Speaker 1: I think I think the luxury tax will go up.
26:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think the number will go up.
26:15
Speaker 3: And I bet you there will be a provision in there.
26:19
Speaker 3: And I don't know this, but I'm thinking this is
26:21
Speaker 3: me spitballing here. The Union will go to the owners
26:25
Speaker 3: and say to new CBA, everyone gets auto reset for
26:30
Speaker 3: the luxury tax because you know, if you go over
26:32
Speaker 3: it keeps multiplying.
26:33
Speaker 5: Right.
26:34
Speaker 3: So if I'm the Phillies, I say, okay, we signed
26:37
Speaker 3: bo we signed JT. We only have to eat it
26:40
Speaker 3: for possibly one year CBA new one. It reloads the
26:44
Speaker 3: luxury tax numbers and they're probably gonna go up. So
26:47
Speaker 3: Boem's a free agent at the end of the year. Okay,
26:50
Speaker 3: then they can make some other moves if they have to,
26:52
Speaker 3: to try to clear some money up if they need to.
26:55
Speaker 3: But for the next year or two years, they have
26:57
Speaker 3: Harper schwar where they have basically the band back together
27:00
Speaker 3: and you had boba shit.
27:01
Speaker 1: I think the league's gonna try and have stricter penalties
27:03
Speaker 1: on the soft salary cap that exists right now, and
27:06
Speaker 1: so there is concerned from teams like the Phillies that
27:09
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it turns into one hundred and fifty
27:12
Speaker 1: tax on the dollar and it starts to get ridiculous.
27:15
Speaker 3: Then you have almost a hard cab and the union's
27:18
Speaker 3: not gonna want that.
27:18
Speaker 5: I agree, but I mean just throwing it out there.
27:21
Speaker 3: There's only certain teams that go there anyways. And then
27:23
Speaker 3: the teams that do go there at times say oh
27:25
Speaker 3: we got a reset, so they trade a bunch of
27:27
Speaker 3: guys away, and then they rescind and then they go
27:29
Speaker 3: for The Yankees tried it right, the Red Sox tried
27:31
Speaker 3: it right. Some of these teams try. Now there's teams
27:33
Speaker 3: like the Dodgers you just don't give a fuck. Yeah,
27:35
Speaker 3: they're like, we make so much money, we don't care.
27:38
Speaker 5: I like those teams, of course, but the Phillies are
27:41
Speaker 5: close to them that they really go for it. And
27:44
Speaker 5: that's why I don't think.
27:45
Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski has a history of and we kind of
27:47
Speaker 3: talked about this on our production meeting.
27:49
Speaker 5: Uh huh?
27:49
Speaker 3: Is he goes long term to get these stars and
27:52
Speaker 3: if he dials in on a star, he goes and
27:55
Speaker 3: gets them. Trade Turner right star. But all these guys,
27:57
Speaker 3: like if he believes in this guy's swerver, if he's
28:01
Speaker 3: like this guy's a starring, can definitely help us get
28:02
Speaker 3: to the World Series and have a chance. Here sht
28:05
Speaker 3: us a miss.
28:06
Speaker 1: He also likes to get things done, and this has
28:08
Speaker 1: been frustrating because it's taking a while for them to
28:12
Speaker 1: figure out the real Muto situation.
28:14
Speaker 5: Hey, that's JT's right. He's in free agency.
28:17
Speaker 1: Maybe a team swoops in, But I do think they
28:19
Speaker 1: want to start getting to move on finishing up the
28:22
Speaker 1: pieces of their offseason.
28:30
Speaker 5: I told you we'll be back. Bet. I'm jam futures
28:32
Speaker 5: regular season win total Mariners. We're doing ninety point five
28:36
Speaker 5: because that's the actual over under ninety and a half
28:39
Speaker 5: for the Mariners. Are you going over or under this year?
28:43
Speaker 3: I'm going under. I'm going eighty eight.
28:45
Speaker 1: Well, explain yourself. Why do you think that they will
28:50
Speaker 1: slightly underachieve?
28:52
Speaker 3: I don't think that the col will have as great
28:54
Speaker 3: as a year sixty Homers is really hard to do again.
28:57
Speaker 3: Their starting rotation started showing knicks last year, guys going
29:00
Speaker 3: down in their offense. I know they brought back Naylor,
29:05
Speaker 3: but they don't have Suarez there for n't less they
29:07
Speaker 3: resign them. But I just I don't know. Eighty eight Houston,
29:11
Speaker 3: I feel like might be a little bit better. Anaheim
29:13
Speaker 3: should be a little bit better. Texas can't be as
29:16
Speaker 3: bad as they were again.
29:17
Speaker 5: Why, I just don't think they will be okay.
29:20
Speaker 3: And so I think eighty eight is a good number.
29:22
Speaker 3: Eighty eight probably might win that division.
29:24
Speaker 5: That's true. Crat's where you're going.
29:29
Speaker 4: I just don't think much is changed in this division.
29:30
Speaker 4: I think the division is very similar. I think they
29:33
Speaker 4: didn't get to ninety so I have last year, and
29:37
Speaker 4: they're all because of the travel, I guess is the
29:40
Speaker 4: reason they're gonna have swoons where they just just crater
29:45
Speaker 4: like their East coast their East coast trip last year
29:48
Speaker 4: when I think they came to Philly Atlanta played some
29:51
Speaker 4: good teams, but they just lost every one of the
29:53
Speaker 4: games and they look listless. So no, I'm gonna say
29:57
Speaker 4: under and I think that I think I might actually
29:59
Speaker 4: still pick them to win the division. I just don't
30:01
Speaker 4: think the divisions changed that much.
30:06
Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna say the Astros have added
30:08
Speaker 1: some starting pitching depth, but they also are losing.
30:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they also brought into my Yeah, but I don't.
30:20
Speaker 3: Think Christian Walker will be as bad as he was
30:22
Speaker 3: last year. They have a four year with Korea. He
30:24
Speaker 3: wasn't dead, he was, that's not Alvarez won't be out
30:30
Speaker 3: all year. Hopefully that's a big one allegedly. So I
30:34
Speaker 3: just think I don't know. I think there's some hater.
30:38
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's back for the year. Bray you they make
30:40
Speaker 3: some move. I just I don't I think eighty eight.
30:43
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30:47
Speaker 5: put it.
30:47
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30:49
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30:51
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30:54
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30:56
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