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Episode 1618 - Finally, Phil Labonte · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sit back relax, and have a fucking choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or a choice, or
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to apologize to our guests, you better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will, I will, come on, let's hear it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will, even Dan walked off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want him to be a part of this dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's my fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's my fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been at the helm here for 11 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Phil Abonti, steer in the ship into the rock.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to apologize personally from Ross Patterson, aka Papa Bear, aka the man with a golden dick, aka Wonder
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[SPEAKER_03]: another team has tried to sign me here for next week's game story had a great game will chat about it but uh here's what happened this is for the audience um uh well again and give you the insider uh podcasting world here we've been friends for 10 years
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm seeing you ever every single event we've gone to, we've always hung out, you've always been beloved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you've been on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, I've never asked where I'm like, all right, cool man, and I get pissed off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my life, when I hang out with my podcast or friends, I'm like, look, motherfucker, you've never had me on, like, what's the deal?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we really friends, we not really friends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we walked in today, I was like, hey dude, have you never been on the show before?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause I was gonna say full of film-abounds and returns,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fucking failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God damn it man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to apologize.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not I don't want to be a burnt Coat so he doesn't deliver boots and just lies to people all day for a living, but Like burnt does to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm supposed to get these boots ten years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so fill
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed you've been on, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've hung out so many times over the years, so just for here, I don't just stop at the faggot shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I won't be fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, obviously, the faggot's just going to happen after this show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's nothing you can do about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a much larger man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to force my way inside of you, but I apologize, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Apology accepted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: God damn it man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not damn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dan did nothing to do with it whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's me on this one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed I was like, I call man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're always hanging out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Dan and I are homies, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know we're all homies.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We talk on the internet all the time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You never DM me either.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't DM.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't DM.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can hit me up on Twitter and I'll usually answer.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You got to say above board to that way.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's in public.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because what I don't want is like weird screen shots getting out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh, hey, you said this to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is like, no, the fucking smart smart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the pants rule for the internet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a password either for my wife Where I'm like hey go through all my shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, go through all my DMs do whatever you want So I want you to feel safe and secure and everything else and I don't DM My guys just I don't do it smart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, but I love you feeling I'm sorry Don't worry, I know I'm not gonna hold it against you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to drag you into this shoot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's my fault dude I don't know why you're apologizing at all
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because dude, when you see somebody over and over again for 10 years and you're just like, hey, hey, hey, hey, this is what you do You even invited us to all kinds of shit and I'm like you've been on the show and then you haven't been on the show So now you're on the show and we love you do appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing in town?
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we're here with the with the IRL guys, you know, we're sharing your space sure are and having the show from
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[SPEAKER_05]: from the drink and bro studio.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a good time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You guys are wonderfully, uh, your cordial and let us, let us, let us put up our bullshit and take up some of your space.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So we appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I heard the curie went out last line up, bought you a new one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's back there right now getting fired up for you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Koop is out getting supplies for everything that's going on tonight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but first of all, uh, how was that going?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is, uh, do you enjoy podcasting?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, so like I've been talking shit on Twitter about politics for years since like 2009 is when I started Yeah, my thing and I've I've always been pretty against the grain when it comes to like what people consider You can like the music industry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm definitely a right wing kind of guy and so it was totally a very easy fit to kind of slide in on on Tim cast I started doing it with with just like a couple times a week and then
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[SPEAKER_05]: after about a year or so, Tim had me come on as the co-host and now I'm on every night and it's been cool it's fun to be able to go ahead and you know share my views and shit on communist on on a regular basis so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Were you worried about in the past because of music and management and all that other stuff?
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, management for me has always been aware of the fact that I'm not going to, like, to a line, like, I'm not going to say, like, approve, like, I don't do approve tweets.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There were, there was a time where, like, a lot of artists would have there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Their tweets and stuff get approved, or they would have someone else be making their social media posts.
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[SPEAKER_05]: For me, it's totally gay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And for me, I've always been the rules, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the same way with me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and so for me I've always been like you know just kind of throw it out there like when Kevin Smith was I don't know back in the day Kevin Smith got on a south west plane and they were pissed because he was fat at the time He just jumps on he's just going and going and going and going and going and that's kind of the way that like I tweet it like something across is my mind I'll tweet about it if I see something funny
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll tweet about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'll get things wrong because of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't always check to make sure that everything I tweet is factually accurate if something seems funny.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I might just make an off-hand comment about it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But you're getting a real person from that kind of interaction.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If someone gives me shit, I'm likely to call them names or something like that because give me an example.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Some names you might call them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I definitely use Faggot a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Can you use it on Twitter?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you can.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the pH.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's like one out of every four or five of them gets flagged.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But for the most part, mine usually don't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not until a couple days later.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Particularly in reply, it's usually kind of chill.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If you use it in like your initial tweet, then like it's suppressed.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they might not put into as many.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of aggressive to lead off before anybody has anything to say.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're losing your factors.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Before anybody, just like maybe get people an opportunity to not be.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like if you start with, you lead with Faggot, you get attention.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Those are that's why they've got to suppress it because it's like you're trying to gain the odds with it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're like, hey, Faggot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you're commenting on somebody's kids highlights that come over the weekend and you're like, man, your kids scored a hell of a goal, faggot and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's, I mean, it's my kid, yeah, I was calling you a fact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was calling you, you were not to not the kid and everything else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So your kid can't be one, yeah, this was totally fine attention.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Me neither, because nobody cares that you're gay anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, we ended that years ago.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the trend people came and that everyone's like, Whoa, the gays are not a problem.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The guys that think they're women are a problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, gays don't like the trend people that much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good for them, they don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every single gay friend of mine is just like, God damn it, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I have to be trans now to be fucking noticed in all this other shit like we fought the good fight for years, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we deserve it that fucking attention man we got the pride for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got the pride for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got all the shit and now it's not good enough anymore They want us to hop off for this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like isn't enough that we're pissing on each other in public like yeah can't can't you give us attention for that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Since you have never been here before, and we were fans already, musically, appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Before we even developed a friendship over the years, all the remains was, obviously, massive and Jesus Christ, man.
7:52
[SPEAKER_03]: It was one of those things where I think, correct me if I'm wrong, we're going to go all the way back in the time machine to Denver.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a live show in Denver we did, and I believe it was right after episode 100.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It saved Eagle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was July of 2017.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was 2016 because it was right before me and my ex-wife got separated.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: 2016.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the summer, right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we all hung out, and it was red, and I was just like, oh, shit, dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's really fucking cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean breaking Benjamin and Jason Rao, all those guy, everybody's really fucking cool and you don't expect it, because it's like, hey, you hear a metal band, you're like, well, all right, this guy's doing graphic anal afterwards and we're gonna do an eight ball tonight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anybody that's been to an actual metal concert knows that isn't true though.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's super normal dude, like generally, I mean, you get, you do get your,
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're, once in a while, you, you interact with someone that's kind of, you know, things that are shit doesn't stink, but for the most part, especially when you're dealing with like heavier music, like stuff like all the remains or heavier bands, they're very kind of blue collar type people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're normal dudes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, I like heavy stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't have this kind of this idea of themselves as like this huge rock star.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're just like, I'm super pumped that I get to play music for a living, and I tour, and it's sick.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So why am I going to be a dick to people?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even the fans, you can see this across the spectrum.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you've been to, I've been to hundreds of metal shows in my day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It can get aggressive, right, but if somebody needs help, people stop and help them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can usually do the band stops, and say, guys, it's more common with metal bands and it is with fucking Travis Scott, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, say what you want about about Ronnie Radgey has a difficult personality.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If somebody fucking needs help in his audience, he stops a show and helps him, and he's kind of an asshole to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I like him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I was like he's like a dream on green character where I understand why everybody else does it like him, but I personally do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he is.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He thinks I'm two of those guys and I like, I mean, we got along, you know, well before, but like when he kind of got on the internet and started actually saying, like speaking his mind, which he wasn't really active a lot, you know, prior to,
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[SPEAKER_05]: probably 2016-17, but then after that he started getting on the internet and he was pushing back against all the stupid shit that society kind of was like globbing once who and I was like that's really cool because again you can get a lot of hell from people for just saying that hey no I think this is dumb yeah he doesn't care no at all I mean he's he's got a very
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[SPEAKER_04]: at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I can see him pulling up to a traffic light and be like, fuck this shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, but yeah, he did, he wasn't, he was never afraid to say whatever, but people have an idea of metal people singing that, even the tone of the music to some degree, but the lyrics get kind of fucked up sometimes, too, depending on the band.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But,
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I would say you're more likely to make a friend at a metal show than any other style of music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, if you don't know people there, I would say you're 10, 10x more likely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 100% because my first experience with it was Metallica.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was O6, so I did a movie with those guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they played the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They even played the after-party at Sundance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That rules, which it was a bar, maybe the size of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want to talk about 80,000 people trying to jam into a 150 person bar was like holy shit, shove it into a bunch of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: James will play for anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't tell anyone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or about law or so much, but James will play an acoustic set for somebody if you just had one, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he didn't know much choice, and plus they were getting paid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: James loves it, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You see any of his recent interviews about still touring and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I'm just like the,
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[SPEAKER_03]: most privileged person in the world to get to do this stuff and now they're doing the sphere they're doing the sphere and he goes to go to that oh yes 100% because I've been to the sphere before and I was like man metallic would be great in the setting and I predict this about a year ago and on Ross Pettish Revolution I go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guarantee you they'll be there because the visuals with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's less about the ban and more about the visuals and The ban is essentially a score for the visuals and the visuals that we'll go along with all of Metallica We got a whole movie that got designed for
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[SPEAKER_05]: that kind of three six.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It would be a once-a-light time experience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The one band that I've never heard anybody mention for Spvere, but makes the most sense to me as tool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I knew you were going to say tool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because, I mean, remember all that claymation shit me, I don't use new back end, you know?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Self-like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they made the weirdest ass fucking music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to take of four or five grams of mushrooms and watch tool at the sphere.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I used it like back in like the the odds and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of wasn't into the tool and I just was kind of like look man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Their songs are big and long and kind of a production and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But in the past couple of years I've really kind of come through to respect their music and I let them do a whole lot more than I used to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Not even like going back to the 90s stuff where they did have like shorter songs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm listening to you know the more recent stuff and it's like man, they really are a good band.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're like it's.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They kind of rode that line between like a popular rock metal band and something more like dream theater.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think part of the reason why I was turned off by him is because their bands can be pretty pretentious.
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[SPEAKER_05]: their fans are like, they think that they're they think they're big brain because they listen to tool and you know tools not all four four tools like Really, you know not really, but somewhat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I'll see your tool and raise you a dillager escape Or a macho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, good luck keeping up with that shit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They
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[SPEAKER_05]: But you've got to follow that ride that everything they do, the syncopation stuff, people think that Michuga is really, really complex and if you listen to that ride, you listen to the ride that'll keep them either the ride or the high-hat.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's almost all four, four, just syncopation stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But it is sick because the way that they break up their wrists and stuff, they're awesome.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, somebody, there's a really good joke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember if it was about Dylan Gerer, Michelle Gerer, like, between the buried me or somebody, it's like, if you're trying to figure out what's about to happen next, don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't know either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like jazz metal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just to surprise you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that goes hard.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was sick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we do that again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you wanted to get pretentious about that, like math core stuff fine, but get pretentious about tools a little weird.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like they write, they write, they write not always, but they did have some short ones, but they write epic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, which is that's a style of music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, and it still carries over till today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guy in the Olympics, the quad god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said, they were like, what do you warming up to?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you listen to and he's like, tool?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, all right, you're like 20 to two years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK. Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it will, man.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you could, like, necessarily, if tool had existed back in the 70s, it would have been fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They would have been a pro rock back then.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But they would have, they could exist any time, in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But going back to the niceness of you guys in the kindness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Metallica.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys all the remains asking you Alexandria.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Danny's grace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: War stop is the best person as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then breaking Benjamin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and all you guys were the nicest humane beings on earth versus the rest of the shit bags we met in rap or whatever and there was some drink and bro's interviews that we couldn't fucking complete.
15:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember post-malone that debunkle?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that sucks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back when he was... Well, he was just right during the battle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That rock... That rock... Looks like his fault.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He would probably be great now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Probably now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a shit together now, but back then he was like on the come-up and you know how that is.
15:44
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a bad manager.
15:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he's still with that guy and like that guy was making bad decisions
15:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, I'm sure this story is that you could go on and on forever about this.
15:53
[SPEAKER_03]: That is the music industry.
15:55
[SPEAKER_04]: 21 Savage was another one.
15:56
[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, apparently listened to the show sometimes because he knew who we were.
16:00
[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, like, but just a blank personality.
16:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
16:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And as people backstage were like Atlanta was like the TV show Atlanta where they were just like,
16:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit man.
16:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe he's famous man.
16:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It was 21st.
16:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know, man.
16:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe he's white people like me either And it was just I just I mean, he's playing white people.
16:19
[SPEAKER_04]: He's sitting there playing Madden with a fucking like car heart hat on or something Yeah, I'm sure he's a care man.
16:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I was just probably can try I mean if you listen to this music you wouldn't expect him to be a outlandish person now And he's from England.
16:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's not ever from Atlanta.
16:32
[SPEAKER_05]: That's weird.
16:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah
16:33
[SPEAKER_05]: you know doing pod like doing podcast stuff like that said that is one of the things that I'm kind of like apprehensive about it's like man what if like the conversation doesn't flow or I don't have anything to add and because I don't particularly think that I'm all that funny right like smart people are funny usually I'm not all that smarter all that funny is I'm just like
16:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And I hope we're talking about some shit that I fucking know something about because otherwise I'm gonna be like, no, I don't know man.
16:53
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
16:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been real.
16:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And then just being as honest as you can on a day-to-day basis, people will love you for that.
17:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And as long as you're consistent.
17:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're- That's what you're telling me.
17:06
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're telling me.
17:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
17:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is true.
17:09
[SPEAKER_04]: The other key is to listen to the craziest people in the fringe of your audience and then just repeat whatever they say.
17:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I got this from this other guy who's crazy don't do that definitely don't do that Some guys are graphing yeah Yesterday we were for some reason it always like comes back to Jews somehow I don't I don't know why people always want to go back to Jews There's so much about nothing at all the only thing I want to talk about Jews is that the I there is a Twitter account that's just like hoties of the IDF
17:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'll talk about those Jews.
17:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise, I don't want to talk about Jews.
17:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, I don't either.
17:44
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't care.
17:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, we have to talk about them because we're in a war with them.
17:48
[SPEAKER_03]: But other than that, I don't think about Israel's end to think about Israel.
17:50
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18:06
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18:07
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, like precursors.
18:09
[SPEAKER_04]: They make precursors.
18:10
[SPEAKER_04]: But as far as like the new advances in pharmaceuticals, it's a great deal of it, it's from Israel now, which is interesting that they chose that.
18:19
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18:21
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18:25
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18:27
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18:27
[SPEAKER_04]: They just always been ahead of it for some reason, but yeah, they do tend to get into dust up from time to time.
18:34
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18:36
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18:37
[SPEAKER_05]: So the way.
18:37
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a time where like everybody around them hated them.
18:40
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, it makes sense why they get into fights once in a while.
18:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, interesting.
18:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, now, you know, the, you know, the Fuintes kid is trying to tell the same lie that all the other idiots do Smith and all these other fucking cock suckers that are talking about how the Arabs didn't dislike us until we sort of work with the Jews, like they first military deployment in the history of this country was to introduce Muslims from kidnapping and enslaving white European and Americans, Navy people.
19:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, mostly we just blow up their shit.
19:14
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the correct way to carry out a war though.
19:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Just blow the enemy up and don't get blown up yourself if you do that.
19:20
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19:20
[SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
19:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're good.
19:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
19:22
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's start with you.
19:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go all the way back here today because I do that again.
19:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not know we've never had you on.
19:28
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is, you know, for the audience, obviously.
19:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys really took off with the full of ideals.
19:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
19:34
[SPEAKER_03]: That was six.
19:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a, you know.
19:36
[SPEAKER_04]: way back in the day and that shot up the charts want to say number 75 is somewhere there for for for a metal band to be on billboard it's massive into the top 100 is a big deal there hasn't enormous even I mean now there's none but even back then yeah when when it was more popular I guess I don't know if more poppers are right word
19:56
[SPEAKER_04]: billboard is weird or now that it works.
19:58
[SPEAKER_05]: When it comes to trying to track like the metrics of music nowadays is all fucking crazy because of streams and how they track streams, you know, it used to be where if you put out a record, right, and people liked A song on the record, they would usually go and buy the CD.
20:15
[SPEAKER_05]: So that would be like basically you have a hit song.
20:17
[SPEAKER_05]: You have probably have a hit record nowadays people are are just streaming And they don't count just one stream as a record purchase because maybe that person only just listen to it on a play list Maybe they don't listen to it a lot.
20:29
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like so so many streams are counted as one play and Nobody buys records anymore because everybody pays $10 a month for Spotify and I'm not I'm not gonna get too much in to Spotify But I do want to point out like
20:42
[SPEAKER_05]: the year that our breakthrough record came out two thousand, is also the same year that Spotify came out.
20:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, God damn it, I was like, there's like the guy standing on the roof in Vietnam watching the last helicopter.
20:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm in the economics of change quite a bit.
20:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah, oh my god, and not in favor of the artists.
21:01
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
21:01
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I guess it depends on how you monetize.
21:03
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're a fucking t-shirt company that happens to have a band attached to it, then you do a better.
21:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
21:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Then others.
21:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Regularizing was that.
21:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
21:11
[SPEAKER_05]: They're great band.
21:12
[SPEAKER_05]: They put out tons of great music, but like, drop dead was a big deal.
21:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Drop dead music.
21:18
[SPEAKER_05]: clothing line was all he's clothing line.
21:20
[SPEAKER_05]: They were a big deal before bringing the rise and even came out like they were like right about the same time bringing the rise and was coming out like dropped that was a big deal.
21:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And they still put out tons of shit.
21:28
[SPEAKER_05]: They still sell to them.
21:29
[SPEAKER_04]: That'd be another good band at the sphere actually.
21:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean they're one of how many metal bands have done
21:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I have done productions with an actual orchestra of Metallica and not many.
21:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Not many.
21:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Other than them, Metallica, who else?
21:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of them, man.
21:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the problem, and I'll go back to what you were saying about the classification of metal in the Grammys.
21:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Who fighters?
21:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh God.
21:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Who fighters was classified as a metal band and they won a Grammy.
21:54
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for 300.
21:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Three.
21:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I love food fighters.
21:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I love all of the members of the band as well.
21:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're cool guys.
22:01
[SPEAKER_04]: That's weird.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: very weird.
22:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, honestly, that was, it makes me like them a little bit less that they didn't say, hey, we're not metal.
22:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
22:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they did.
22:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Dave Groll did.
22:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, hey, what do you say?
22:13
[SPEAKER_03]: In an interview, he goes, man, we're not a battle band.
22:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes a couple of our songs could be considered that.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: No, what he said was the Grammys is fucked.
22:21
[SPEAKER_05]: And it always has.
22:21
[SPEAKER_05]: It is.
22:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, it's a popularity contest.
22:24
[SPEAKER_05]: The people that's what he said.
22:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Good.
22:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the people in the voting board don't know about all the music that is nominated for Grammys.
22:31
[SPEAKER_05]: So it turns into like this band has this manager who knows these people and so they select, you know, five or whatever bands, however many of them nominated every year.
22:40
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's all about, hey, these guys are popular and I know they're manager and he's a cool guy we get along.
22:46
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's not even real.
22:47
[SPEAKER_05]: It's totally like if you talk about things that are fake and gay, like the Grammys are fake and gay at the very least.
22:52
[SPEAKER_04]: All the more those are, except for the golden gloves.
22:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about the I don't pay it off.
22:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not.
22:57
[SPEAKER_04]: The awards are fake and gay, but drunk assholes that are at the party.
23:01
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a very real.
23:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Very real.
23:03
[SPEAKER_03]: That was fun.
23:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
23:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Apocalyptic is not a metal band.
23:07
[SPEAKER_04]: They're a fucking stringed instrument band.
23:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Jackass.
23:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody saying Brad Patterson here says that.
23:30
[SPEAKER_05]: like they're so similar in my opinion, it's very similar, I kind of got old guy metal opinions now because I'm in my fifties now, so it's just like, I'm definitely not.
23:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but at least you have the perspective of looking back because we'll go to overcome after that and then just kept building and building and building after that.
23:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You have for we are the many and then that came, I was number 10, I think
23:52
[SPEAKER_03]: billboard somewhere in that neighborhood?
23:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's fucking insane dude.
23:57
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a great time to be putting out music that like the rock radio was still a thing.
24:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
24:02
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you put out singles that that you know rock radio would play they were always hungry for bands that were actually putting out good music that they could you know rely on a band to put out another record that had another song they could play and stuff because you know the labels or I'm sorry I'm not the labels
24:19
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our band.
24:20
[SPEAKER_05]: There are buddies.
24:20
[SPEAKER_05]: When you come to St. Paul, we're going to have, we're going to be hosting their show, they're going to come to the studio, you know, or whatever town, you'll, they want to be able to say that they're, that you're there guy, and they want to know that when you're coming to town, you're going to hang out with them, be on their radio station.
24:34
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, it's very much a,
24:37
[SPEAKER_05]: You scratch my back all scratch yours and they play a crap out of our stuff, you know, and it was great to be able to do that now Because everyone's got again because Spotify and and streaming music has changed the music industry so much You rarely see that kind of stuff most people don't listen to terrestrial radio Yeah, you know radio stations are going under every year and stuff So it's it's a very different animal now even the last like
24:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's say eight years, you've gone from having an album where you release singles first, probably two singles and then an album.
25:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Now it's like the first four or five or six songs come out independently.
25:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Then you put out maybe it.
25:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And when we say album now, it's a folder.
25:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
25:20
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a fucking record or anything, right?
25:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I am one.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So happy brought that up because it just happened last night, late last night.
25:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this album, he had posted for 48 hours in a, I think it was a, let's call it a 50-minute video form.
25:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So the song just played in a row and then there was his weird Japanese wrestlers in black and white going over it.
25:44
[SPEAKER_03]: The album was beautiful.
25:46
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called bully.
25:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, hey, if anybody's got any notes on this, it'd be great and I'm going to pull this down.
25:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he pulled it down.
25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Then last night, he said, hey, the album is finished.
25:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to put it up March 27th.
25:58
[SPEAKER_03]: This was six months, roughly six to eight months later.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Albums done.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got my final 13 songs.
26:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to release four tonight.
26:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you go on iTunes tonight and look up bully by Kanye West, you can listen to those four songs.
26:12
[SPEAKER_03]: And the rest of the album will come out March 27th.
26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Now,
26:16
[SPEAKER_03]: The reason why a lot of artists do ship like this, first of all, I've never heard of somebody dropping a rough cut and saying, what do your thoughts to the audience?
26:24
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one.
26:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But two is those streams that are going now, count for opening week.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: The same is a book for the New York Times bestseller list.
26:33
[SPEAKER_03]: All those pre-sales add up for week one and then it starts over the week two.
26:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are so many people doing this just to get on the charts and just to get more press does it truly help the audience?
26:45
[SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea legit.
26:47
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like I mean the last not like we put out a record just this just last year right came out in January we put out
26:54
[SPEAKER_05]: four songs leading up to it, four singles, and it's kind of like nowadays you need to produce as much content as fast as you can.
27:04
[SPEAKER_05]: So we put out the record beginning of this year, 2026.
27:07
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to have another record, and we're going to start dropping new music next year.
27:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, like in some time in 2020.
27:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Another recorder is single.
27:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably, probably going to do singles first.
27:17
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, the recorder come later in the year.
27:19
[SPEAKER_04]: What was the pace before?
27:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, one record every two to three years.
27:22
[SPEAKER_05]: We would do one record every two years, but you would release the single, maybe two weeks before the first single.
27:29
[SPEAKER_05]: And then the record would come out.
27:30
[SPEAKER_05]: And then you'd work that single for, you know, six weeks to...
27:34
[SPEAKER_05]: three months, then you put another single out, you work that out, you usually try to do it in concert with like tours that you've got and stuff like that.
27:42
[SPEAKER_05]: But now it's all the other way around.
27:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Now you put out a bunch of singles and then you release the record like to, I don't know if it's to build hype on not sure.
27:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I literally not sure why it's changed like that, but that's kind of like the format that everybody has gone to now.
27:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you want to hit all your monetization notes, right?
28:00
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28:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And these days, especially if you have a recognizable brand and good art, you can sell a lot of birch, which is nice, because that, I mean,
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28:32
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no back end anymore.
28:33
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no DVD sales that come after the theatrical release that doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: although I'm not recommending it, I'm just saying for self-defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys start off as the best hunting knives in the industry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's become so big that it's become like a celebrity must have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's on all the list you see in magazines and everything else so much so that Josh sold out last year man he sold out of a lot of items last year and uh got the funding got the expansion and now they are cranking same quality nice but now they've got a pair of those well and Josh
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[SPEAKER_03]: Still waiting to wear that jacket man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I bought it from you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I use my promo code DB 10 it checkouts But it is 91 degrees here in Texas I will not be able to wear that's coaching soccer tonight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next up we got Zippix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bob, this is your go-to here, dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zippix is all over the office.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I found it in the bathroom, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you popping in a Zippix when you take a shit?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like a little beaver with these pieces of wood.
35:03
[SPEAKER_03]: My God, dude.
35:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it matters my mouth.
35:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the, uh,
35:08
[SPEAKER_04]: the nicotine might be sending him to the bathroom.
35:11
[SPEAKER_04]: It could be also helping out on the toilet.
35:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well that's, yeah.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes if I'm there and I'm not feeling inspired.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as it were.
35:20
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I understand.
35:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's also, they have a new one.
35:24
[SPEAKER_04]: There's energy ones now.
35:25
[SPEAKER_03]: No shit.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: So those I haven't had.
35:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had the nicotine ones.
35:29
[SPEAKER_03]: What are the energy ones?
35:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, they're, we mean, it's energy.
35:32
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, uh, caffeine is the same kind of caffeine is the same kind of principle.
35:35
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's caffeine instead of nicotine.
35:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
35:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
35:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha.
35:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to make that clear for the audience there with some B12 as well.
35:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really.
35:43
[SPEAKER_04]: B12 is great for energy.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, dude.
35:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, uh, look, when Zimics first came on the show, I talked about this in the past, is one of those ideas that you're like, why did nobody ever do this before?
35:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Because a lot of places won't let you put a pouch in, um, they won't, you know, allow you to have it, uh, on a field with kids, all that other stuff, but you throw in a toothpick, nobody knows what's on there, and nobody knows what it's made of, so this is the way around it, and so if you're on a long flight or something like that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You must be 21 or older to order.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what you want to do is go to zippics.
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39:19
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39:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Take it, Gate, Money, and I have my merch money.
39:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's more or less all that's guaranteed because the way that streaming services pay out right now is meh.
39:30
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, wait, zero, zero, so it's zero, so it's zero.
39:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna say, like, if you wanna share, I shared my residuals on here because it's streaming, it's the same thing for actors.
39:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's bad.
39:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, dude, I'm getting like some of these checks are like 40 bucks, 48 bucks, and you're just like,
39:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey dude, that was number three, like except it was number three on Netflix all for like the last I don't know six weeks or whatever it was three through ten somewhere in there
39:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That check was like 300 bucks and people were like, oh my god he must be rich and I was like, no, no, they don't pay anything for that anymore.
40:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And it sucks.
40:04
[SPEAKER_05]: The stuff that like, we still get decent checks semi-annually, but most of the stuff that we're getting like the big lump sums for or stuff that came like back in the day, you know, it's like stuff from stuff from the fall of ideals, stuff from overcome.
40:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Two weeks is still the song that that,
40:21
[SPEAKER_05]: two weeks and what if I was nothing so it was a song off of overcom and a song off of 2012, 13th of a week and I went, those are still the biggest part of my check every year.
40:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we did a cover of the Thunder Rolls by Garth Brooks that came out in 2017.
40:37
[SPEAKER_05]: We're in the Thunder Rolls.
40:38
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys should do that.
40:40
[SPEAKER_05]: That was pretty big too.
40:41
[SPEAKER_04]: You do a cover of standing outside the fire.
40:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got a perfect retard.
40:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy.
40:46
[SPEAKER_03]: We know a guy.
40:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We know a retard that would be sweet for it.
40:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, you know what we see in the video.
40:51
[SPEAKER_04]: We should just do Caleb Francis for that to be honest.
40:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
40:55
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like a tiny, he's great.
40:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like he looks.
40:57
[SPEAKER_04]: He can act retarded really well though.
40:59
[SPEAKER_04]: He played actually just have him in a Hammond Jack man Aville and like a fucking small children waiting pool I mean, I'd be just playing are you familiar with standing outside the fire?
41:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, Garth Brooks Oh, I'm gonna play the whole video right now if we have to okay, so it's a it was quirky for my cousin He's running track dad doesn't want him to do he's gonna get hurt skins his knee
41:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It's in his face, he's bleeding out of his fucking notes and got a lot of their do it even though the dad jumps down from the stands and I told you he's gonna get hurt and then he helps his son finish the thing.
41:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I cry every single time I see The goddamn video and I'm not joking
41:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and if I saw Garth Brooks at the sphere by the way, and they played that music video behind him If I saw a reed's heart on a screen that big In the sphere, cork is still alive.
41:47
[SPEAKER_04]: He lives in fucking delco.
41:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, really.
41:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a delco guy color up his hair.
41:51
[SPEAKER_04]: No, let him stay gray.
41:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I I want the I want to I want to I want the full experience that I had as a kid.
41:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I want if he ever had kids Not sure Bob, can you look up the corkie?
42:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you know what I always thought about it goes on.
42:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Genetically speaking, it's possible for two tards to have a baby and then the baby not to be a tard.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Same thing with midgets, by the way.
42:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
42:11
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, fucking cool that would be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you obviously you would need some help in the early part to get to like teenage years, probably.
42:19
[SPEAKER_04]: But after that, having two Down syndrome parents would be fucking sweet.
42:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But also if you're two midget parents, you get that would be easy.
42:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You get in like fifth grade and you're like, you're not telling me what to do.
42:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that one would be fun, but having to, having like a mom and a dad who were Did both had Down syndrome would be pretty fucking cool to be on.
42:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't know if it would be the best case You know, we just get over on them all the time.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
42:45
[SPEAKER_04]: They're the fucking, they're the nicest people in the fucking world.
42:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're doing it wrong.
42:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We say this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like we're We're the ones who have to actually live in the world and care about it.
42:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they don't care.
42:55
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what happiness people on the planet That's one of the fucking things that that drives me nuts me here about like
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was Greenland that doesn't have people down syndrome anymore, really, just all right.
43:07
[SPEAKER_05]: They deleted it.
43:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
43:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Sweet.
43:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it might be ice cream.
43:10
[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of those.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a fancontroller.
43:11
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, dude, I understand that there are some people that have down syndrome that are really, really handicapped, like, really, it's rough form.
43:19
[SPEAKER_05]: But if you have, like, just a touch or whatever, it's like, those people change us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He wasn't, like, the reason his bit is funny is because it's true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They are fucking happy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're just like, man, this is fucking cool.
43:33
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't sit there and fuck.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're better than us.
43:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they don't sit there and just rumenate on terrible things and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're just like, hey, all right, this is kind of cool.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm enjoying my life, you know?
43:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if anybody's living in the moment.
43:45
[SPEAKER_04]: it's hard for sure it's not us and I mean we envy them I think I think a lot of people do but yeah I think maybe have a dad that's normal and then I'm because you need discipline if you're a young man you need discipline but having a retarded mom would be fucking sweet when's your next uh single coming out
44:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, we don't, we'll start recording in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So probably the first quarter of next year.
44:09
[SPEAKER_04]: So what I'm saying is this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Standing inside the fire correct and you slide that single our way.
44:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I direct that music video.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I can cast my own sweet card and then we can have a
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, it's not going to be a race thing.
44:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to rip off Garth Brooks and the magic that he's done there.
44:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would like to have a different theme and then you be the angry dad, because he's doing something different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's lab.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to go to ad for.
44:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you gotta, it's gotta be different.
44:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It does, but I was thinking basketball.
44:40
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not gonna be a fucking spelling, be I can tell you.
44:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying this, right?
44:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Fill in his wife, have a retard son.
44:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, retard son grows up.
44:47
[SPEAKER_03]: What's stop?
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he wants to play high school basketball.
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's gotta go against an all black inner city team.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he just getting fucking pummeled last night.
44:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
44:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we get Jean Hackman to show up.
44:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
44:59
[SPEAKER_03]: hologram obviously on the side and then who's yours and then maybe hologram Dennis copper you think like actual holograms look maybe an AI well either or I mean if we were some did a AI actors recently so I think that's possible yeah but I still want to see them and then it's like hey
45:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I know we're down by a hundred here.
45:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But it would be great if you could hit this three pointer and it's like a weird hook shot from a half-court.
45:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean they just did it last night in the NBA.
45:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he makes it and then the other teams beat the shit out of
45:32
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the blacks in the whites come together.
45:34
[SPEAKER_03]: We fix racism and then we fix retardation.
45:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, let's him up and carry him off the floor.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
45:39
[SPEAKER_03]: You're crying because you've been a horrible father.
45:41
[SPEAKER_03]: The wife that is kind of left you won't now want to get back together.
45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't really in the video.
45:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, full content.
45:48
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you'll have a tart pause it all of it, where you take them and it's just like it's not a shed It's like hey, you go in the closet and then you start beating them with a belt locks from the outside Like that's perfect.
45:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly and then you hold them up at the end and it's racism is solved You know everything against retardations it's all the world's problem So I was thinking maybe we were peels of 13th and 14th amendments instead Like he wins the basketball game and that was a bet between them
46:14
[SPEAKER_04]: to some there did you see this lady on Twitter the other day who was like all the men's and women's hockey team other the best in the world nobody cares about the women's why don't we let them play each other and then whoever wins that sex gets to vote I mean yeah we'll do that I mean I would they would you know what the force you know I mean it's not a sense is your it wouldn't
46:35
[SPEAKER_04]: the women wouldn't survive no the goalie might because she doesn't get hit, but the rest of it would die you know they would all they would talk to you they couldn't be the fucking teenage boy soccer I was going to say they tried you know the women's national scene put the 14 year old half time and making repeat or piano or whatever name is she still has the rapper the rapper know she still has the balls to get out there and talk shit the way she does
46:58
[SPEAKER_05]: She still has balls, I think.
47:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Unreal.
47:00
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
47:01
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
47:02
[SPEAKER_04]: But she looked.
47:02
[SPEAKER_04]: This is why you've got a full re-tards into the mix.
47:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it humbles everybody.
47:06
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't go.
47:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's acting arrogantly around a retarded person.
47:11
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just not happening.
47:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's in us as human beings to behave that way.
47:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
47:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Matt Dillon.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe, uh, because he works with him.
47:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure does, and he's going to tell me to work.
47:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, nobody's going to tell me who I can and can't work with.
47:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you bring Matt down back in the for the video.
47:26
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be fucking awesome doing it.
47:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Do this.
47:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good, that would be a good addition.
47:31
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he had that card chained up to that runner.
47:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Monko.
47:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Monko.
47:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Monko is the name of it.
47:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And the movie Cameron Diaz is like, oh my god.
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
47:39
[SPEAKER_04]: It's something about Mary.
47:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember that?
47:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
47:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I've worked with retards.
47:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Manga was the name of the kid he was talking about in that.
47:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Manga obviously short from Manga Lloyd.
47:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
47:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
47:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe just named after Manga from Blazing Sattles, who punched that crowded death or whatever happened.
47:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be awesome.
47:57
[SPEAKER_03]: But one story I've always wanted to ask you that I didn't want to because I didn't know how serious it was What you've felt about it or anything else.
48:04
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in a podcast now.
48:05
[SPEAKER_03]: So like you feel free to discuss it But I remember I think you were getting the interview by like CNN When her earthquake that fucking wild ass tsunami 11 was that what it was not yeah was 2011.
48:17
[SPEAKER_05]: We were involved in that
48:18
[SPEAKER_05]: in the earthquake, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just with my dick out.
48:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the tsunami happened.
48:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But no, you were actually over there.
48:24
[SPEAKER_05]: You were in Japan in Tokyo.
48:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is live on Shima Meldon?
48:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you were live on air, right?
48:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we weren't live when it happened.
48:31
[SPEAKER_05]: They, my, my label actually hooked up a conversation with, uh, with CNN, um, because we happened to be in the, in the, in the, in the country.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So,
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[SPEAKER_05]: we had just played up north that day we were on the bullet train got off the bullet train we go into the venue in Tokyo it's like the fifth floor of a building and i'm backstage with my with actually on that backstage and i'm by myself and start shaking in Tokyo it was like a 5.5 where we were up north it was like 9.0 where everything got fucking
49:05
[SPEAKER_05]: And my tour manager sticks his head in and he's like, yo, and I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, okay, like this is the ring of fire.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they know how to take care of this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Their buildings are built for this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All freak out when the Japanese people start freaking out, right?
49:18
[SPEAKER_05]: And like literally right after I either I said that, or I thought that one of our Japanese shaperones basically, stuck his head in and he's like, let's go and really go shit.
49:26
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're all fucking hauling ass down the stairs.
49:29
[SPEAKER_05]: But at the time we get outside in the street like the major shaking is over, but like the street is full of people Like just everybody came out of the building and our drummer's girlfriend who happened to his Japanese, she was crying like there's a bunch of people She was Japanese, what happened?
49:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he's, they're not, that's what's going on.
49:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, see, that's, that's bad.
49:50
[SPEAKER_04]: She is curled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's curled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's curled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's curled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's curled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's curled.
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50:01
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50:03
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50:04
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50:06
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50:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I'm going to basically do a shout out to kind of like people that I, you know, kind of associate with her associate myself with.
50:17
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wore red socks hat and I wore a mag pull shirt and a buddy of my Nick Morris worked for mag pull at the time.
50:24
[SPEAKER_05]: And he saw my shirt and he went on my Facebook page and he saw that I had a couple rifles and he hit me up.
50:28
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, yo, you know, I saw you on CNN talking about the earthquake and stuff.
50:33
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, you know, like, let's link up and stuff.
50:36
[SPEAKER_05]: So I met, he came out to the next time we were in Denver and me and Nick had been friends for, whatever, 15 years now, so I'm like that because the Fukushima is the answer.
50:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so the reason why I ask is my son's best friend, his wife, his mom excuse me, his Japanese, and then she married a white man.
50:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But they were over there for the same period of time.
50:59
[SPEAKER_03]: You know where they were?
51:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was, they said in their region it was 7-6 when it was, when they talked about that ring of fire and the shaking buildings like that, where, you know, they evacuate everybody, and then they just tell you, no, no, no, the buildings are meant for this.
51:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the buildings are swaying back and forth so rapidly that no one believed it.
51:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's one thing to say that you're built for this.
51:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no, we're built for this, everything's fine.
51:25
[SPEAKER_05]: yeah well i mean destroyed but uh... they said everybody was pretty safe but they said it was like sixty after shocks they were they were going on for days like days for so like normally when we the so Tokyo was the last show and normally when we play a show like if we're out in a foreign country the last show the very next day we fly out for some reason we had a day off at before we flew out
51:49
[SPEAKER_05]: So everyone's like, everything was kind of like nobody was really going out and doing stuff like everything was kind of I don't remember if things were shut down or just people were just kind of like we're gonna stay home But so we're sitting in a hotel room and everybody in the band had like a glass of water that they set out Because you kind of felt like it was always kind of moving.
52:07
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what they said.
52:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's it's really really weird days You're watching the glass of water not shake, but you're like
52:14
[SPEAKER_05]: It's still kind of feels like everything's moving and they were you know There were significant aftershocks the second day when we were actually at the airport There was an aftershock that was big enough to shake the rafters and it was like, well, this is crazy But yeah, it was I mean it did the flights operate and get out of there that day Like what happens in a situation like that?
52:31
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean as long as the runway doesn't break they're like all right We're gonna keep fucking working, you know, and they were flights were going out like normal that
52:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I imagine there was probably some disruption the day that the actual earthquake happened, but it was, by the next day, I guess it was pretty normal and everything, you know, there were flights going out.
52:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I said, we were on the bullet train on the way into Tokyo that day.
52:52
[SPEAKER_05]: If that, if they had been, if the earthquake had happened like a couple hours earlier, we might be dead because the bullet train derailed and like 200 people died on that.
53:00
[SPEAKER_05]: You know?
53:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
53:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, we were just like, you know, I mean, obviously it sucks that.
53:04
[SPEAKER_04]: How is the bullet train?
53:05
[SPEAKER_05]: Sick.
53:05
[SPEAKER_05]: Pretty sweet.
53:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
53:06
[SPEAKER_05]: It's sick.
53:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, in Japan, I think everything about Japan's sick to be honest with you, like.
53:11
[SPEAKER_05]: It's what it hurts.
53:11
[SPEAKER_05]: out of all the countries that i've been to that's not that aren't the u.s. that's when my favorite place to go.
53:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never been but it's the only culture other than ours that I respect.
53:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they want to go back by the way.
53:22
[SPEAKER_03]: My kids, friends, parents, so they were like, dude, we'd go back in 10 seconds.
53:25
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so cool.
53:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I food's amazing.
53:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It is to the cities.
53:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
53:29
[SPEAKER_04]: The only thing that's weird is, like, they told moms and moms to fuck off.
53:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're like the fuck out here.
53:34
[SPEAKER_05]: They got a super right wing president.
53:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess snap elections happen regularly over there So it's not such a big deal that there was a snap election, but she is super far right wing and she plays drums and she's in the metal Yeah, which is kind of sick enough now
53:47
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to go back.
53:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I love Japan.
53:50
[SPEAKER_05]: It's such an awesome place.
53:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's so polite and like it's the little things like, you know, you hear stories like, well, there are no garbage cans anywhere.
53:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you're expected to fucking keep your trash and put it in the garbage at your house.
54:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, and everybody just knows that.
54:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And because of that, it is clean.
54:05
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's not like, oh, there's no garbage cans, so people just throw their shit everywhere.
54:09
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's immaculate because everyone's like, well, I'm going to fold up the wrapper of whatever I just snacked on.
54:14
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put it in my pocket and you get on the train.
54:16
[SPEAKER_04]: everybody's quiet because you don't want to be rude to the other people except for the African immigrants yeah they're doing the whole like New York subway dancing bullshit on public transport right now in Japan yeah no way people are fucking pissed I'm surprised they let immigration happen over there the last administration let it happen a little bit and then
54:40
[SPEAKER_04]: The Muslims started making like minor requests, not demands, requests like about burials and stuff and that's how a right wing president got elected.
54:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they were just like not fucked at, we're not doing that.
54:53
[SPEAKER_05]: When you got a culture like the Japanese culture that's been around for thousands of years and like you got such a rich history, you should be like, get fucked, we're not changing for you.
55:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
55:03
[SPEAKER_05]: You want 100%.
55:04
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
55:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you have to think of it.
55:06
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a duality to it.
55:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Why and it's your inheritance?
55:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
55:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's true and it does belong to you.
55:11
[SPEAKER_04]: But you're also a custodian of not the owner of it.
55:14
[SPEAKER_04]: You're, you're, you're, you're, you're.
55:15
[SPEAKER_04]: you manage it for now until the next person comes along.
55:18
[SPEAKER_05]: And you owe it to your posterity to keep it for them, you know?
55:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so this guy's going to go back bad.
55:24
[SPEAKER_03]: There's just like, we loved it today.
55:26
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to go sometime in the next year, probably.
55:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, look, if you get the chance, if you get the chance to go, it is like I said, I've been to a bunch of places.
55:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I've been to, you know, all over Europe and shit and, and...
55:37
[SPEAKER_05]: some places in Australia and stuff like that.
55:40
[SPEAKER_05]: And there are places that are cool.
55:43
[SPEAKER_05]: There are places that I would go back to visit.
55:45
[SPEAKER_05]: There are no places where I'm like, I really hope that I can get back there.
55:48
[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.
55:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I do hope that I can get back to Japan.
55:52
[SPEAKER_05]: But if I never went to Europe again, I'd be like, okay, I mean, I saw enough of Europe and checked it out.
55:58
[SPEAKER_05]: It was cool.
55:58
[SPEAKER_05]: If I never went to Australia again, it'd be like, yeah, I mean, I'd like to go, but I'm not bummed.
56:03
[SPEAKER_05]: that I, that, you know, if we, I wouldn't be bummed if we never got to go, I really, really hope that I can get back to Japan.
56:09
[SPEAKER_05]: It's super sick, it's worth the trip.
56:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That's worth it.
56:12
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a long flight, but it's worth it.
56:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It's worth it.
56:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody loves it there.
56:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I want to kind of shift into the rest of your career, because you've done so much, um, and you've filled in for people.
56:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, didn't you feel in for five finger death?
56:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
56:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I did a couple weeks with five finger in, at the end of 2016, actually right after the couple months after the show we did it here was, how was that?
56:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Sick, I mean, I've known those, so I've known Ivan since 2004, he was in his band called Motor Grader and we did some shows with them, I don't know if people probably don't remember them but maybe they do, they used to wear body paint, they were kind of, they kind of came up when slipknot was new and everyone kind of doing the dress up thing like, like, one thing.
56:52
[SPEAKER_05]: They were big dude.
56:53
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.
56:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
56:56
[SPEAKER_03]: They're still there.
56:58
[SPEAKER_04]: They have, they have one, I would say.
57:02
[SPEAKER_04]: loyalty, audience, wise, other than a lamb of God.
57:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know anybody that's like five finger death punch.
57:09
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been the same like couple of million people going to their shows for the last 15 years.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's really all you need.
57:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean for real.
57:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like if you have a core fan base, that's really all you need from their, their, their super cool.
57:23
[SPEAKER_05]: So I did a, I did a tour with Killswitch Engage, right?
57:25
[SPEAKER_05]: They called me up and they're like, yo, can you quit?
57:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Which iteration?
57:28
[SPEAKER_05]: When how it was the, I think it was the, how did they call me in because Howard had kind of split from the tour and they were like, can you come in and do, you know, they were, initially they were thinking that it was only going to be a couple days kind of, because it was the start of tour when everything went bad with Howard and, and so they were like, look, we just got to make enough money to go ahead and cover the boss getting out and stuff and then we're going to go in bad again.
57:48
[SPEAKER_05]: But then like the first couple shows went so well, they were like,
57:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we should do the whole tour, because I've known those guys for ever, and I knew they're set and stuff, and it was really like, they were like, I think this could actually work.
57:58
[SPEAKER_05]: So I did the whole tour, and there were definitely some kills which fans that were not pumped that I was.
58:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I was just gonna ask.
58:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but their fans had kind of a roller coaster because they had a guy that they really liked, and then he left for whatever reason, and then Howard Jones came in.
58:15
[SPEAKER_04]: And it took a year or so for people to get used to it, but then they loved Howard Jones for a long time and then just personality conflicts over time and they
58:23
[SPEAKER_04]: had to move on or whatever.
58:24
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was, I mean, they had experienced it before.
58:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think they were primed to have that kind of reaction.
58:29
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did this.
58:30
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the question I want to ask is when the concert go or show up with their tickets.
58:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And then boom, there's somebody else there.
58:38
[SPEAKER_03]: What is that?
58:39
[SPEAKER_05]: Especially the front man.
58:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
58:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
58:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you can get away with the drummer.
58:42
[SPEAKER_05]: You can get away with guitar players for the most part.
58:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're looking at this point.
58:47
[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't think the band was ever
58:48
[SPEAKER_04]: commercially as popular with with Jesse as they were with Howard.
58:52
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, so the end of heartache was Howard's first record.
58:55
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the one that really busted them out.
58:58
[SPEAKER_04]: But they had good music before and after it's just, that's the one that happened to make super popular.
59:03
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, still like when they play the end of heartache, like the crowd sings it, like Jesse or doesn't matter who's on stage to Jones to this point.
59:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Put it out there in the crowd.
59:12
[SPEAKER_05]: That song is bigger than the band, even.
59:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
59:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
59:15
[SPEAKER_05]: But when I went and did the five finger tour like the crowd was like thank you so much for coming and saving the tour thank you so much for having Ivan's back and that was a big the perspective was I was there because I had my friends back like I was taking care of my friend which I mean it was true like they I like I said I'd known Ivan since 2004 and we've been friends for you know since the whole time like we got along great it was an
59:40
[SPEAKER_05]: and he's a great guy, but they were really, really receptive.
59:44
[SPEAKER_05]: They were like, thank you so much.
59:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was a very different experience between the kill switch tour and the five finger tour.
59:50
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not, I don't want to sound like I'm dog and kill switch fans, because a lot of kill switch fans are our fans, but there were definitely more people at the kill switch shows that were just like, where's Howard?
59:58
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to hear you where's Howard, whereas with the five finger shows, they were just like,
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Dude, thank you so much.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just like on the street walking around people, like thank you so much for coming, man.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so cool that you'll come out here and take care of Ivan and have his back at stuff.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just such a great experience.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_05]: They were really, really awesome.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I'm always curious, man.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you gotta be nervous, right before you go on, knowing that the crowd doesn't know, you're gonna pop out there and either it's gonna be positive is gonna be super fucking negative.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It happened to me.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I was at a jeans addiction concert and I think the guitars fell out and People were fucking with it.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they replaced him with somebody else.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they get into a fight It almost every live show.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_04]: They do.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're very very long or anything.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, but that was it was last year when they finally wrapped it out because Perry was at some concert And he just started like hitting the guitarist.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like punching him in the chest.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the car that he was in
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he had put, yeah, punch him with a bar, so they're in a lawsuit right now, but this was like 15 16 years long long time ago and who knows what it felt with the real story was when they came out You're just like, all right, but I wanted to see your home boy, and then he wasn't there what was the reaction?
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_03]: When you walked out on stage for both of those times you said the first one's positive five finger death punch Yeah, because you would kind of save the tour and then what happened were people throwing shit?
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, it was like the kills were just two where there were a couple people that were just like down front that made it clear that that I was You know, I dated and want me to be there How they so this is in 2010 not stuff like
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, really?
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, stuff like that.
1:01:31
[SPEAKER_05]: You saw it in blah, blah, blah.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Which again, I mean, it's like, it's whatever.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it definitely wasn't the majority of the crowd.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just that I remember, maybe it's because we're closer, whereas the five-finger tour was in arenas and the Killswich tour was in smaller like theaters and stuff.
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_05]: And so the crowd's closer, you can kind of, it's a little more intimate that way.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_05]: But with the Killswich tour,
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I'd known those guys, I played in bands with Adam and Joel, like in the 90s, you know.
1:02:01
[SPEAKER_05]: And so like both of these situations were like these are guys that are friends of mine for years and years and years before this happened.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_05]: So just to be, you know, just that they're like, yo, can you come do this?
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's super flattering, you know what I mean, especially.
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_05]: In the context, because both the Killsuit show and the five finger show, like, they called me and 24 hours later, I was on stage.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, the five finger show, it was 48 hours, because they had me come in and I had a day off.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_05]: But it was just like, when Zoltan called me, I was just like, he's like, hey man, he called me in the middle of the night.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_05]: And at the time, we had the same management company.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_05]: And so, there was a call from my manager,
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_05]: My manager's boss, and from Zoltan, I woke up in the middle of the night for some reason.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw that they called and I was like, they're going to fucking ask me to go.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_05]: It's fucking goddamn tour.
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_05]: What the fuck happened?
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, is Ivan okay, you know, so I called him up and I'm like, yo, is Ivan okay?
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_05]: What's going on?
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, hey, I was like, there's only one fucking reason you're calling me at the middle of a fucking night.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, yeah, man, he's like, can you come and do the tour?
1:03:02
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, all right, we'll send me a set list.
1:03:04
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, just send me a shit.
1:03:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I got to start learning it.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_05]: And so 48 hours later, I'm on stage.
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think it was Pennsylvania was the first show.
1:03:11
[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, it went cool.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a couple things that, you know, that I, I've missed or that I didn't know or whatever, but they had a, um,
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm on a prompt area and so if I didn't remember the stuff I had that I could lean on that and and Chris Kayle to get base player did Because I've always been curious about that whenever somebody fills in for somebody else I'll usually see a teleprompter.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_03]: She's usually down right below next the amps and all the other shit and like
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_03]: to memorize that much material and 48 hours.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_05]: You write it down, you do.
1:03:38
[SPEAKER_05]: So you listen to music and write the lyrics as it's going in, because you're doing because you can't write as fast as it goes by, you end up pause, rewind, pause, rewind, and you're just listening to it a couple of times over and over, but I just write the whole set, every song, write the lyrics for every song, to drag it down.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's difficult, man.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's hard, but again, like I said, they had a teleprompter there.
1:03:56
[SPEAKER_05]: So most of the stuff I had pretty well down within the first, or in the couple days,
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it was all going, you know.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I do like to consider myself a professional, and like, you know, I go and do that.
1:04:11
[SPEAKER_05]: And funny story like this never actually happened, but when COVID was going on.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_05]: The guys in Lama God, and we're doing a tour.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_05]: And so they call me up and they're like, yo, everybody's got an understudy.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Would you be Randy's understudy?
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Is like, yeah, sure.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_05]: So it didn't happen where he got sick.
1:04:24
[SPEAKER_05]: But the next tour that Lama God did, I think COVID was still going on, because it was 2021 when they asked me, they did like another leg or whatever.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_05]: And they had someone else.
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_05]: I was in 2022, because all the remains was on tour doing a tour kind of a fall of ideals and a nursery tour.
1:04:42
[SPEAKER_05]: there was someone that actually had to go and fill in for Randy, because they got COVID.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a pretty normal thing, like if someone got COVID, they had to go ahead and have an understudy and that COVID's understandable, but you know, other shit, usually people freak out.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because the COVID time was like, all right, man, we're just lucky to be out and be anywhere really, where it was like, all right, I went, I'm about to take my kids to a concert in a car.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, do you hear about the car concerts during the music on in the radio or on the radio?
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the band is there.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_03]: They're physically on the stage.
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a third-eye blind.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Where my wife's father-in-law's house in Ohio, third-eye blind was playing.
1:05:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And they purposely didn't plug in any amps.
1:05:22
[SPEAKER_03]: So it forced everybody to sit in their cars or around their cars.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the music was coming out of the cars.
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was them actually playing live into your cars.
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, we were just grateful that any entertainment was going on, so we didn't really give a shit.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there was a time during COVID or I was like, man, I wonder, like, especially the beginning when it's like, how bad is this going to be?
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what's this, you know, like, nobody really knew.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_05]: You're hearing a lot of crazy stories out of China and people, like, a lot of people dying, people getting locked in their houses and, well, the chat and stuff.
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, man, what is this going to be like, you know, the real apocalypse?
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is going to be like the Spanish flu or whatever, and take out, you know, billions of people in shit.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So like when we when we actually started tourney, I was like, man, I'm glad that we're doing this Like I was for a minute.
1:06:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't sure if we were ever gonna be able to do this live nation They would because they bought every fucking venue in the country when the shit was going down They had already started a little bit in twenty twenty-eighteen They started true.
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_04]: They had started some big projects like the one in one week to end downtown started tactically they made the purchase in twenty-nineteen
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_04]: and late, like right, no, what have been 2020 actually was right before we left is when they bought that land right down near the water, but yeah, they bought up not just venues specifically, they built a bunch of new venues, they bought some other venues, but they also set up this network because nobody else had the ability to do it at the time.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was in a fragment.
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And now,
1:06:49
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're in rock, I don't know anybody in rock or metal who's not using live nation at this point to do their tours.
1:06:55
[SPEAKER_04]: You're forced to, essentially.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they have the best stuff.
1:07:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's the thing.
1:07:02
[SPEAKER_05]: We have a great relationship with live nation.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_05]: So like, I don't have anything bad to say.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_05]: They've been great to us.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_05]: We got friends.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know many people, like some of the COVID stuff they did was kind of gay.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_04]: It was for insurance companies.
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it wasn't for live nation.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't heard much bad stuff about live nation, frankly.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and we have a lot of friends in the music industry.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_05]: As far as big conglomerates or whatever people have this idea in their head that big companies are looking to take advantage of... Ticketmaster.
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not particularly a fan of Ticketmaster.
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm deaf.
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_05]: The streaming services kick it master universally hated by musicians.
1:07:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but live nation, they've been, you know, look, man, when live nation is like, we got this tour, do you want to be a part of it?
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_05]: It's hard to be mad.
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they're like, we'll pay you good money to go and do this tour.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're taking care a lot of the anslary stuff.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're, it's, and they make sure that the venue is like the green rooms and stuff for all square in a way, they're not fucking, they've got a really good infrastructure right now.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And a time in American history where it's hard to find people to do the lower level work
1:08:07
[SPEAKER_04]: at a mastery level, they're doing a better job of it than anybody in the aware of.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_04]: As far as large organizations go for customer, like you think about what customer service is at that point, the band members, and all their crew, that's the customer for this to some degree.
1:08:21
[SPEAKER_04]: And I hear just good stuff from roadies, from the guys in the band, everything.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_05]: From to your point like prior to live nation, or actually when you were going to a tour or a venue that you know live nation is doing, you don't worry about like if the shower's gonna work.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's like, okay, I know that it used to be a toss-up.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_04]: When 40% of the stuff was run by live nation, the other 60% it's a 50-50 chance that shit's gonna work.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And look, to be honest with you, I get how, you know, how there's a lot of promoters or venue owners, better like maybe if that's the only venue we own, does you have the money to throw $15,000 into the into the dressing room right now?
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, typically the answer's no.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, it's a small business.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like any other small business.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a big ask to be like, hey, can you spend, you know, 10 grand to renovate the back room, the three back rooms, because the band that was in here a couple of weeks ago decided that they were going to, you know, punch holes in the wall, because they're, they, they got into a fight or that one guy got drunk or whatever, that kind of stuff happens all the time.
1:09:22
[SPEAKER_05]: So keeping a venue in, you know,
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_05]: good working order is actually really hard for a dude that owns the venue if it's the only thing that he owns he's got to be able to pay his own bills he got to pay his overhead and then obviously he's trying to make money and as a guy that owns a business like I understand that but when you're dealing with something like live nation
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, you know, they have the ability, they have investors, they have the kind of capital necessary to make sure that their venues are actually taken care of and that really, really, really matters to bands because you go from your bus into the dressing room, back into the bus, you're on the bus for 10 hours or whatever, back into the dressing room, back into like that kind of,
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, the atmosphere in there does matter.
1:10:06
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're a touring band, that's got all your dudes on one bus, right, you're crew and your band, you get 10 guys on a bus.
1:10:12
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like that kind of shit really, really matters.
1:10:15
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, if you get the opportunity to do a live nation tour, you're like, Hell yeah, let's do it.
1:10:19
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like the same as, uh,
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_04]: the attitude of the tech companies since let's say 2010 or so, like you go out of your way to take care of the employees with the hope that they're going to give you the best possible performance and usually it works out.
1:10:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Some people go overboard and they've drawn it down even like Elon Musk companies have gone up and down in that regard Facebook went full hearing in Austin especially.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the floors in the Facebook building for a while was just a cafeteria with free of shit in it You know what I mean?
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like okay, maybe Don't do it because then you get like during the latter half the 23 23 part of a COVID where some stuff was still shut down the most stuff was was a lot of people work or remotely these Pre-Elon Twitter and Facebook employees were like doing these vlogs about how they don't fucking do any work Yeah
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_04]: that's essentially what the theme of the vlog was like, look, here's my day, I wake up and drink a fucking smoothie at 9 a.m. and then stroll into work at 11 and then like lunches at noon, lunch, no longer work going out.
1:11:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they're not, they're not, those people have all been fired.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, it's one thing to sham.
1:11:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I was in E4.
1:11:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I know what that means.
1:11:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I shamed the fuck out of it.
1:11:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
1:11:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't make a video about it.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Keep it on your account.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Damn internet, dude.
1:11:41
[SPEAKER_05]: To dance point.
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_05]: My X-Wag used to actually work for Palantir back then.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Early teens.
1:11:47
[SPEAKER_05]: and I went into their offices.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_05]: You walk in and it's catered every day.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It is a big old death star made of legos and there's like booze in all of them in the cafeteria and it's like I'm thinking I'm like man this is all paid for by contracting and like fair enough, palentiers you know an important company on the intel side I get it but it's like
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_05]: they really laid it on for the people that we're working there and it's like at some point you're just like, do you really need this?
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's what tech companies did and they were trying to attract the best and brightest that they could get and the more you know the more comfortable you can make it the better you know the
1:12:26
[SPEAKER_04]: the better packages you can offer to a point right if it affects your incentive structure now you've got an issue Yeah, so if it's just like welfare if the incentive structure becomes taking instead of Optimizing then you're fucked, right, which is what Twitter and Facebook eventually realized Well, Twitter never did Elon came in.
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like, hey, we can cut 75% of these people do the same work And they're like, I don't think so and he's like
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_04]: fired.
1:12:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on.
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_04]: If you disagree with your fire because you're not smart enough to be your frankly, right?
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's usually that.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, honestly, it's too bad what happened to doge.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_04]: They were fighting an impossible uphill battle because there's so many special interests in D.C.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... just but they were correct and all of it's it yet it's impossible to get those people to fucking stop spending our money uh... but doge could cut the government by ninety percent and have it function it identical to the way it functions right now easily done especially now with
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, using tech and AI to do paperwork, that's like 90% of the work in government.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So I can passing a piece of paper from one person to the next person.
1:13:35
[SPEAKER_03]: The only problem is AI gets it wrong and I'm dealing with that with the legal contracts right now, where they were off by one digit.
1:13:41
[SPEAKER_03]: That one did, it was $100,000.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And I go, hey guys, who made that mistake?
1:13:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go back to the red lines and figure that out.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody's gonna lose their job over there.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_03]: But speaking of money, one of the other big topics that's happening in the music industry right now is people sell in their back catalog.
1:13:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_03]: It's on a catalog all the way around.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Now we have a couple mutual friends who have done it.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of money.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of money.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they're worried about the future of music and streaming and everything else.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that something that you're entertaining or we talked about it?
1:14:15
[SPEAKER_05]: And to be honest with you, the dollar amount was not what I wanted, so I was like, no, I'll just sit on it.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_05]: But I understand why people do it.
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Like if you can get a big lump sum and you put it in the stock market, it's probably going to do better for you than if you're getting it.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Buddy of ours just did it.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You know him too, we can talk about our fair, but he did it.
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And now,
1:14:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously the publishing, it's whoever wrote it, it's getting that check.
1:14:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He did the rest of the band wasn't that amps about it, and it's another risk you have to take.
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_03]: With your music, is it you writing it is the entire band, do you loan the catalog?
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of the, it's split with the between the band.
1:14:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so there wouldn't be an argument there, and if the number was right, if the number was right, yeah.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_05]: But again, it's like,
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_05]: We also have like one of our guys passed away in 2018 and so we've gotten his act or his widow that we have to deal with and we're not exactly
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_05]: all that happy about having to deal with her for her.
1:15:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And Ivana's not so happy with Courtney Welles.
1:15:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I imagine they're not going to get it.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_03]: She's chipping away with that catalog over the years.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're right, it doesn't complicate it.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't even think about it.
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you guys went around for so long that it's like, yeah, holy shit.
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going on 30 years and in 2028, we'll be 30 years.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_04]: You weren't even a singer at first, right?
1:15:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, my first man, I was like, when I was a teenager, I played guitar in a death metal band.
1:15:39
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I started doing backups, just like the grous stuff.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, yeah, then I kind of see the guys.
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I still then I realized that.
1:15:50
[SPEAKER_05]: if you do the same kind of thing that you do when you do the irres, like if you open your mouth it kind of turns into more like a higher pitch thing and then I you know it's just started trying stuff out and it's like oh wow feels got this cool voice because I was like one of the only dudes around town that were you know because it's in the 90s so it's like it's not like now where you just see all this stuff on the internet and shit like there actually was a real underground back in the day and um...
1:16:16
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I kind of realized that I could open my mouth and do kind of different styles of screaming and stuff.
1:16:22
[SPEAKER_05]: And so then, guys and shadows fall, they were like, hey, we're looking for some of those you kind of stuff.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, they were like, but we just want you to sing, not play guitar.
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, all right, cool.
1:16:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was kind of like my first 4A into being a frontman.
1:16:35
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's a little weird making that transition.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Because when you're playing guitar,
1:16:42
[SPEAKER_05]: In between songs, you're not talking the crowd.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_05]: You just kind of turn around, tune your guitar, make sure everything's good.
1:16:47
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you have something to say, you're walking to the mic, but you don't have to engage the audience in the same way.
1:16:54
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's a bit, it's a bit of a change, but, you know, it worked out already, thank you.
1:16:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, our buddy, Danny Warstoff, who we're talking about earlier, took a lot of shit recently, because he came out and said, hey, I can't do that fucking growl anymore.
1:17:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
1:17:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll do that scream.
1:17:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So therefore, we're working with AI and, you know, that's going to help me scream out of the mic for some of those old songs, so like in everything else, and the audience was like, fuck you.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And he released a statement on it and he just said the audience is actually like 40 assholes.
1:17:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, everybody else on the internet, but it but his point was and I because I love him and he's always very honest and open or everything else and he goes, guys, what do you expect, man?
1:17:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting older.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't no longer do that fucking voice anymore.
1:17:40
[SPEAKER_03]: If the technology is there and I'm given you the best that I possibly can give you and it's as close to what you remember like isn't that the whole point of this and I think he's correct.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but what do you say to that?
1:17:53
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's always been people that are like,
1:17:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't do whatever the new technology is.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_05]: There were people back in the 80s.
1:18:00
[SPEAKER_05]: They got pissed off that Iron Maiden started using synthesizers on the 7th son of a 7th son record Right there were like oh, that's blah blah blah blah.
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_05]: It's destroying music blah blah There were people that were saying that that like Playing to a click track was gonna destroy music.
1:18:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, and it's like all or playing playing using auto tune in the studio is gonna destroy this but
1:18:23
[SPEAKER_05]: people today don't really care like the people that are going to the shows they don't care.
1:18:28
[SPEAKER_05]: The people that are on the internet talking and complaining sure they'll make a stink.
1:18:33
[SPEAKER_05]: But like like he was talking about Ronnie Radke got into it with one of the guys from
1:18:38
[SPEAKER_05]: who used to be on that metal show, which is really just that in the style of the show, it wasn't about metal, it was about these guys that were, you know, in their 40s, 50s, thought thinking about how great it was back in the 80s.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And he was like, oh, because I think there was a problem with the computer that that falling in reverse was using, they needed to get a, they couldn't, they had to cancel a show because the computer got messed up or whatever, and they had to get a new one sent out.
1:19:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And this guy went off on, on, you know, on falling to verse, oh, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, real bands can do this and that it on.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, look man.
1:19:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Nowadays, your rig is run so much by a computer nowadays or at least you can, right?
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Like some bands can, you know, some bands will get up there and play, but you can have.
1:19:23
[SPEAKER_05]: your pro tools rig will trigger your lights sometimes so you can have pyro triggered by your pro tools rig so everything is on cue everything is right and everything's the same every night and it allows you to not take out so many people on tour so you save money on that and like you guys will make more money oh yeah yeah you know and it's like it's such a great tool
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Technology is a great tool.
1:19:46
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not one of those AI-domers.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I use AI for a bunch of different things.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_05]: It sends me a list of all the top stories every day.
1:19:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I've got an AI agent.
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you guys have heard about open claw.
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: How are we doing?
1:19:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:19:57
[SPEAKER_03]: We've been approached.
1:19:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It was either yesterday the day before show.
1:20:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we get an offer for it.
1:20:02
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I downloaded the open claw and I love it.
1:20:05
[SPEAKER_05]: My AI.
1:20:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is what they couldn't guarantee me is what they would put my voice or my face in.
1:20:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait, I think we're talking about different things.
1:20:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Dan and I had the same issue.
1:20:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, are you talking about AI?
1:20:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, location of it?
1:20:19
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, open-closed.
1:20:20
[SPEAKER_05]: It's an AI agent.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's a program on your computer that basically, can anything your computer can do?
1:20:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
1:20:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Your AI agent can do.
1:20:28
[SPEAKER_05]: So I literally text my, I can bring up telegram and text my send a message to my AI to my computer, which is at home, and it'll do anything an AI can do.
1:20:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything got it, got it, got it.
1:20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about actual.
1:20:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
1:20:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Vocals.
1:20:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, four minutes.
1:20:43
[SPEAKER_03]: All that other ships and like we had chat We literally just shot her about this two days ago.
1:20:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen him piss this much during a show by the way No, which is hilarious, but With that's going forward.
1:20:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have an issue with it as long as the crowds get in the best performance So like with Danny and shit like when I read that I was like, man, are people really pissed off about this?
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And they don't know that you're getting older like everybody gets older
1:21:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you can use the technology to enhance the performance as an audience member and as a fan, I just want to hear you at your best, right?
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_03]: If I come out to see your show, I just want to hear Phil at his best every single night.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_03]: If there's a little tiny tweak in the microphone or back in the sound system, I don't give a shit.
1:21:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I want to see the best performance I can possibly get, whatever helps you to get there, right?
1:21:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Now if it's a backing track,
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_03]: that I'm here in the entire fucking concert.
1:21:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pissed off.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, look, you owe it to the audience to put on the best performance that you can, right?
1:21:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you, these people have spent money and the amount of money that they spend to go to a show.
1:21:50
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, when I was starting, you could go to a show for 15 bucks.
1:21:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Nowadays, you can't find a ticket, ticket alone for less than $40.
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_05]: And then you've got fees, and they have to drive there.
1:22:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and they got to pay for parking.
1:22:02
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you have a couple beers, it's going to be five or more dollars a beer.
1:22:07
[SPEAKER_05]: And if they bring their girlfriend, that's two tickets.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you're looking at asking someone to shell out 200 bucks to come see you.
1:22:14
[SPEAKER_05]: And then you're hoping that they spend another 50 to 100 on some merch.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you owe them.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_05]: you're indebted to them.
1:22:21
[SPEAKER_05]: As soon as they find the degree.
1:22:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, soon as they buy the ticket, I am indebted to you.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_05]: So like it is my job to put on the best show that I possibly can.
1:22:29
[SPEAKER_05]: So whatever I need to do to make sure that the show is as good as it can possibly be, I'm going to do.
1:22:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
1:22:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and we we say here, show goes on.
1:22:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
1:22:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And then whatever happens happens, and if you come out to a live show, whatever, like, cool, we'll hang, drink, everything else.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for your time, your money, your babysitter, your everything.
1:22:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
1:22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, I, we're, and, and, and, and, and, and the, the composition, the national.
1:22:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but the competition now, like, you can say, I'm gonna watch Netflix, you can stay home, play video games, you can say home and, and stream, whatever you want, you can say home and watch whatever you want.
1:23:03
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, you have to give them more than what they're spending their money on, you know?
1:23:09
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's, it's such a, uh, it's such a big ask to be like, come see my band.
1:23:15
[SPEAKER_05]: It's such a big ask.
1:23:17
[SPEAKER_05]: And so when they do, I owe them, you owe them, absolutely, 100%.
1:23:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Another crazy thing that I always wanted to ask you about, and again, I'm so sorry I've never asked you to be on the show, is the journey thing.
1:23:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Steve Perry, who's arguably one of the greatest singers of all time, said, I don't know if I can be my best anymore, and I don't want to be in this band.
1:23:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a number one of all-time greatest voices?
1:23:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I mean, I'm a big fan of like the, like Phil and Tomo.
1:23:51
[SPEAKER_05]: So like, because I like, because of the style, like his voice.
1:23:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I get Freddie Mercury at one.
1:23:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd probably still carry in the top two, three.
1:23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about like pure singers, your male vocalists and they picked off this dude who was singing karaoke in a country readily well, too.
1:24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch that documentary?
1:24:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:24:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I've seen parts of it.
1:24:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen all the things.
1:24:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the crazy shit of all time.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, with this ever be something you would consider in your life, but like let's say you went down.
1:24:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And you were like, all right, man, I got a broken leg and a motorcycle accident, and I got multiple surgeries I'm going to be out for a year.
1:24:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you ever pick off somebody from the internet like they did and say he sounds exactly like me?
1:24:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's going to play these shows for the next year.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean,
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that I don't think that I'm against the idea in theory.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_03]: But I pull him up, by the way, on the internet.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Just type in Asian, during the year.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, on YouTube.
1:24:50
[SPEAKER_03]: If you haven't seen it, it's crazy.
1:24:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the guy that Allison Chainspeck to Blackhead is great.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
1:24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He's identical.
1:24:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Indistinguishable.
1:24:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:24:57
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not from land stale.
1:24:58
[SPEAKER_04]: It's weird.
1:24:59
[SPEAKER_03]: But then, like, some slime, that guy didn't sound like the little thing.
1:25:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that was his kid though.
1:25:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but still, I don't.
1:25:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sorry, I just can't buy into it.
1:25:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, look, I, part of the, like, I wouldn't, I'm not against it in theory, right?
1:25:15
[SPEAKER_05]: But all the remains has had a lot of different members throughout the, the course of our career.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_05]: It for a long time it was me Mike Martin and Ali and Ali passed away in 2018 and Mike's still in the band But like he's not going on this upcoming tour because his wife's gonna have another kid so like I'm not sure how well it would work without me just because I'm kind of the guy that's always been the face of the band And it's not like there's like the band same band that people are going to see it would be just it would be a lot of different people
1:25:51
[SPEAKER_05]: And with a different singer, I'm not sure that it would work, but in theory, like I don't have a problem where I'm just like, no, it's got to be me or I'm not doing it or whatever, like if there's if there was a market for it and people were like, no, we want it, you know, we want this, like all right, that's cool, you know, you know, I don't have that kind of, you know, I don't have that kind of like controlled necessary thing.
1:26:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll tell you what, we'll play this clip and then I want to ask you, is there anybody out there that doesn't impression of you and
1:26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, see, play this clip.
1:26:20
[SPEAKER_03]: This is wild.
1:26:21
[SPEAKER_03]: If you haven't seen something, I know we've talked about it in the past.
1:26:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Volume.
1:26:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've heard it.
1:26:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, first of all, when this comes on, you're just like, I'm on and yeah, I know.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't stop with him.
1:26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's small town, girl.
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha-ha-ha.
1:26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's find out how long it will.
1:26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: She took them at night, trained by the way.
1:26:53
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1:27:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows it.
1:27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I pay for this.
1:27:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
1:27:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, I was.
1:27:10
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he sounds, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's almost impossible.
1:27:14
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not, you know, I, I don't.
1:27:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe.
1:27:18
[SPEAKER_03]: because he's younger, yeah.
1:27:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He's younger.
1:27:20
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, as you get older, your voice changes.
1:27:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:27:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if you go back and listen to Episode 1 of Drinking Bros, my voice is a lot higher than this.
1:27:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, over the years, your voice just naturally changes.
1:27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And mine, you know, got deeper and deeper and deeper over the years.
1:27:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine too.
1:27:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people do.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anybody out there who has ever done an impression of you that you were like, all right, I'd consider it for this dude.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Not that I've heard, I've heard people do covers on YouTube and stuff, but I've never really heard anyone kind of get it, right?
1:27:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:27:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, not that they're not good or not that they're bad, but they don't sound like me.
1:27:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Especially when you're talking about like screaming stuff, there's a bunch of different...
1:27:58
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so hard.
1:27:58
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a bunch of different techniques, because it is a lot about technique.
1:28:02
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not like singing the way that people kind of think about singing.
1:28:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Where you position the...
1:28:09
[SPEAKER_05]: The boys coming out of your throat matters and there's people that do like inhale screaming and there's there's a bunch of different like things that people can do to kind of get that raspy You know a fry vocal fry voice and like
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't heard anyone that doesn't like I do, you know, again, there's people that are great, like there's people that sound really good, but I don't think that there's anyone that sounds a lot like me, or that I've heard yet.
1:28:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Not that they're not out there just that I haven't seen it, you know.
1:28:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because there's so you guys have so many fans.
1:28:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I wondered over the years of one person who just walked up to you and been like, hey man, Mike, I can do you.
1:28:47
[SPEAKER_05]: My girlfriend says that me and Howard sound a lot alike.
1:28:49
[SPEAKER_05]: And when it comes to like singing and stuff, a big part of the reason why they had the five finger death much called, you guys asked me, is because I've got a really good impression of Ivan.
1:28:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's very chest voice, he's a little on the over-the-top son, performance wise, and I've got a, there was a couple of times where they were recording on the show, and like the guys were listening back stage, and like the next day or whatever,
1:29:18
[SPEAKER_05]: It's there at times where you really can't even tell.
1:29:20
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a different that it's a different kind of stuff.
1:29:23
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that stuff.
1:29:24
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a way we can pick you off and make you the lead singer.
1:29:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's some, a lot of people, some people sound generic when they're screaming.
1:29:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:29:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Then others have, there's a unique part of it.
1:29:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't, I mean, part of that is due to like the, the physical characteristics of your mouth and throat.
1:29:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Get me honest.
1:29:44
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be hard to replicate, for example.
1:29:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what the fuck's going on with Corey Taylor, but I don't think anybody.
1:29:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I've never heard anybody be able to do that before.
1:29:53
[SPEAKER_04]: He can also sing a little bit and well, but the gravel and his voice that projects like that, most people can do it at a low grumble, but the gravel that comes out at all tones and his voice is fucked up.
1:30:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what it is with him.
1:30:08
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got a unique, well, I mean, I'm not, I'm not sure it's completely unique, but he's got a really, really interesting ability to pitch his screams.
1:30:16
[SPEAKER_05]: So like he'll be, he'll be singing and actually be in key, hitting a note with scrawled grab.
1:30:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's weird, man.
1:30:23
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like it's, it's really, he's a really great singer and it is such a a very unique kind of
1:30:28
[SPEAKER_05]: ability.
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_05]: There's not a lot of people that I've heard that can do that.
1:30:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Randy does it in smaller tones.
1:30:35
[SPEAKER_04]: He'll hit a note and drag it up really well while keeping the grass.
1:30:39
[SPEAKER_04]: He's been doing it for 35 years too, which is impressive, frankly.
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_04]: But his ability to grab
1:30:47
[SPEAKER_04]: and then pitch up is something that's pretty unique about him.
1:30:50
[SPEAKER_04]: But Corey's range in that gravel is fucking weird, man.
1:30:54
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how he does it, or if it's just like a coincidence, or physical...
1:30:58
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I've messed around with it, but I've never been able to like get that same kind of like melodic pitch in the screens.
1:31:03
[SPEAKER_05]: There's just a little bit of stuff that I do, like a lot of times a lot, like on records or whatever.
1:31:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll do a screen where I'm kind of doing that, and then I'll overlay a singing with it to kind of,
1:31:14
[SPEAKER_05]: reinforce them and put the melody in it, but yeah, Corey's awesome.
1:31:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and obviously you were a Marine for a second.
1:31:23
[SPEAKER_05]: Like it does so people like there's so many people that have gone and done real shit right and so many people that have been injured and still signed up and did it counts.
1:31:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay
1:31:34
[SPEAKER_04]: fair enough, but I want to fall that there was no war.
1:31:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the thing.
1:31:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to make sure that people understand because I don't like they're been I'm I've downplayed a lot all the time because I don't ever want people to accuse me like stolen Valor I don't ever want people to know that I ever have.
1:31:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, I mean, I
1:31:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody does shit on the internet so I but I want to make it clear like I went in 93 Then like nothing was going on dude.
1:31:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Bill Clinton was like we're cutting the Marine Corps and I got I had a bad ankle and they're just like you're you're gonna take too long to get better get out They send me home like so so yes, I did sign up.
1:32:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I finished boot camp.
1:32:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm I'm a Marine But like I'm not like like people think because of all the you know 20 years of the GWT people think something and it's like I'm not that guy right, but we underserved
1:32:17
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, our audience understands all the other stuff, but where I was going with this is you've performed for so many military bases over the years, man, that it's impressive, and obviously being a Marine, and just going in, I'm not saying you were fucking, you know, I had a rock sack full of 50 grenades, or anything, I don't know our finish.
1:32:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that.
1:32:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying is, you went in, you did it, and then you always came back, and you always perform shows, and you always helped out wherever you could.
1:32:51
[SPEAKER_03]: What was your favorite show?
1:32:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, we did a show at uh, down in Texas, I think it was, I think it's hood for hood.
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1:33:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, we don't want your shows there and stuff.
1:33:19
[SPEAKER_05]: And look, anytime I can play for, you know, the military, it's sick, you know, I've still, like, I still got a lot of, I got tons of respect for those dudes.
1:33:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And like I said, there's some real-ass dudes that have done some real-ass shit.
1:33:30
[SPEAKER_05]: And like, when people are like, man, you know, when I was over in Iraq or I was over in Afghanistan and like any time,
1:33:36
[SPEAKER_05]: We were about to leave the wire.
1:33:37
[SPEAKER_05]: We put on a playlist and you guys were always in it like that's sick You know like that's really cool and it's really like it's really humbling and it it I always appreciate when dudes are like You know it it always it always reminding me of home or it always made me get you know getting up to get out there and and And do what we had to do and stuff like that's that's awesome for me.
1:33:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's it's a totally humbling thing But you could have said I look at that asthma
1:34:01
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... flat feet uh... i would have knocked out the drills sergeant all gone do it that that but he actually did and so it counts man and like and the fact that you've given back over the years and done all of these shows over the years due it means a lot to people and especially our audience yeah eighty percent of its military and some and so
1:34:23
[SPEAKER_03]: It is cool man and you didn't forget your roots and you still keep doing it so that is important It really is because to keep them morale up like those people remember those shows So as men are women for the rest of their lives like I do he was there
1:34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He had everybody else was there, he cared enough to come, so it's a big deal, man, and all of us just want to say thanks.
1:34:44
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
1:34:45
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
1:34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: As a friend.
1:34:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.
1:34:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Now as the one that's show we get to the drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you, or helps you become the person you are today, who would you like to give the drinking bro the week to?
1:34:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, my dad, like he passed away a long time ago, but like he really kind of...
1:35:02
[SPEAKER_05]: He's the guy that...
1:35:04
[SPEAKER_05]: He demonstrated how to be like a dude, like how to be a man, like he was always like, I remember he always owned his own business.
1:35:15
[SPEAKER_05]: He was like, look, you got to go out and do things for yourself, you got to go out and kind of like make your life happen.
1:35:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you can't expect other people to do this.
1:35:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he taught me how you're supposed to treat women because in my mom we're like together for like ever before, he passed away.
1:35:31
[SPEAKER_05]: He passed away young,
1:35:32
[SPEAKER_05]: like they were together for 30 years or something like that before he passed away he passed away at 50 and so like he was like 20 when he got married and like the entire time they were married I remember him like he'd walk up behind her in the kitchen and just pinch her butt or like they were always kissing like and that's how I think you should you should teach your sons how to treat women the like the best thing that you can do for your son is to love their mother, right?
1:35:56
[SPEAKER_05]: So
1:35:57
[SPEAKER_05]: I know that stuff happens and sometimes there are divorces and stuff but you really should bust your ass to make your relationship work and that doesn't mean laying down and doing whatever she says.
1:36:08
[SPEAKER_05]: That means actually make the relationship work so that way you can demonstrate to your kids what a good relationship is like if you have because according to your son, mom's the best I love her she's the greatest so if you're treating that woman that he loves so much
1:36:27
[SPEAKER_05]: You're effing your kid up, so the best thing you can do for your son is to love their mother.
1:36:34
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was something that my dad instilled in me early, and it wasn't like he sat down and had a conversation.
1:36:38
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just the way that he was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember all the time.
1:36:43
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they were always holding hands, they were always affectionate to each other and that was one of the things that I think has been most important to me.
1:36:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Like just teaching me how to, you know, how you're supposed to treat your wife, how you're supposed to treat people.
1:36:57
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, look, you have to go out there and make your life happen.
1:37:02
[SPEAKER_05]: If you have the opinion that your life happens to you, you're not going to be living the kind of life that you want.
1:37:09
[SPEAKER_05]: You have to go out and make your life the way that you want it to be.
1:37:13
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's awesome because a lot of people say that on the show and And it just goes to show you how much of father means in your life So like I never have an issue with it because people people come up to me occasionally and be like, hey man What is this?
1:37:27
[SPEAKER_03]: They're dad and I was like you should
1:37:29
[SPEAKER_03]: should say your dad like hopefully you had a good relationship like that's going to be the most important person in your life for arguably the rest of your life for your parents.
1:37:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, if they don't say it and you know something.
1:37:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something else probably.
1:37:42
[SPEAKER_02]: My buddy Steve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:37:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Steve out there.
1:37:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I man he gave me his crutches and buck him clobby tree.
1:37:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he hears like
1:37:51
[SPEAKER_03]: way to fucking go there, but it's awesome.
1:37:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell everybody where they can find you on social media.
1:37:57
[SPEAKER_05]: So I am filled with remains on Twix.
1:38:00
[SPEAKER_05]: I've got a Patreon where I write longer tweets, called it's Patreon.com slash fill that remains.
1:38:07
[SPEAKER_05]: The band is all that remains.
1:38:09
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going on tour this spring.
1:38:10
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be out with Born-Up Osiris and Dead Eyes.
1:38:12
[SPEAKER_05]: We're starting in April on the 29th in Albany, where you go through all of May.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can check out all the remains.
1:38:20
[SPEAKER_05]: You can check out all that remains music.
1:38:22
[SPEAKER_05]: I got Apple Music, Amazon Music Pandora Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer, the left lane is for crime.
1:38:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
1:38:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, look, the last show I always...
1:38:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, the last question I always say for every musician that's on the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gung to head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Favorite song you've ever done?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've ever written or played it like...
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[SPEAKER_03]: Your favorite song that you've ever played or written.
1:38:43
[SPEAKER_03]: What is every night's, if you could only play one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it'd be two weeks because that's the one that, like, really kind of, like, people respond to the most, but are you in to play it?
1:38:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's a killer tune.
1:38:57
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of tune.
1:38:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you be interested at all in doing, like, an old school bluegrass version, called Fort Night?
1:39:03
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, maybe, yeah, actually, I find out.
1:39:06
[SPEAKER_05]: We can pop that into AI, get a little preview of it, it would sound like, I think soon I'll be able to do that.
1:39:10
[SPEAKER_03]: The reason why I'm going to say this question for last with musicians is, there's a song at the audience once the most, and then there's their own favorite, and usually the
1:39:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so like people really want to hear stuff off the fall of ideals and we've been and I know that overcom was the record that came out right after the fall of ideals, um, but like, I mean, I've played six every single show that we've ever done and if, and it's great and stuff, but if we never played it again, I wouldn't cry.
1:39:38
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and I'm not hating if you love it, man.
1:39:40
[SPEAKER_05]: I love the fact that you love it, but you know, if there are definitely songs where I'm like,
1:39:46
[SPEAKER_05]: But I still dig two weeks.
1:39:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I still dig two weeks a lot.
1:39:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So I always end that with the musicians.
1:39:51
[SPEAKER_03]: It's my favorite question ever.
1:39:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I love this one.
1:39:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, apologies.
1:39:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had you on and I've taken our friendship for granted over the last 10 years.
1:39:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Fucking aim, man.
1:40:00
[SPEAKER_03]: What a great show.
1:40:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for being here.
1:40:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate it, man.
1:40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate you guys for tuning in.
1:40:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Go to iTunes, right?
1:40:05
[SPEAKER_03]: The show at five star and leave a quick review.
1:40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: We're available on Spotify.
1:40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say a review over there.
1:40:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause we're past the 10,000.
1:40:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And then iTunes will have video we are negotiating that now.
1:40:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been getting a lot of DMs about it that it's popping up.
1:40:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it'll be in three to four weeks.
1:40:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll wait on that and we'll give a live announcements when the time happens, okay?
1:40:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, thank you Phil.
1:40:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate it.
1:40:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
1:40:31
[SPEAKER_03]: For Dented Anthony Holloway, I'm Ross Patterson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the Drinking Rose Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not everyone.