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Podcast episode #2 Raising Families in a World of AI · Pulpit to Pavement

• Kayla: Welcome to the Pulpit to Pavement Podcast, where we explore how the faith we proclaim on Sunday becomes the faith we live every day. As we begin, may God open our hearts, shape our thoughts, and help us hear what we need for the road ahead. May these conversations draw us closer to Christ and help us carry his love from the pulpit to the pavement. Hey friends, welcome back to Pulp It to Pavement. I am your host, Kayla Rowe, and joining me today is my co-host, Tina. Yay, Tina! Welcome. I am happy to be here. I am too. Tina: Hey friends, welcome back to Pulp It to Pavement. I am your host, Kayla Rowe, and joining me today is my co-host Tina. Yay, Tina! Welcome! I am happy to be here. I am too. Kayla: So, for our listeners who may not know this, we have a parent connect group at HUMC that meets every second and fourth Monday of the month. We call ourselves Raising Arrows. Tina: So, for our listeners who may not know this, we have a parent connect group at HUMC that meets every second and fourth Monday of the month. We call ourselves Raising Arrows. This comes from Psalm 127, which describes children as arrows in the hands of a warrior. And as parent warriors, or warrior parents, however you want to word that, we are to point them in the right direction. Kayla: This comes from Psalm 127, which describes children as arrows in the hands of a warrior. And as parent warriors or warrior parents, however you want to word that, we are to point them in the right direction. But sometimes it's hard to know the right direction. So we take real life parenting challenges in every season of parenting and look at them through the lens of scripture. Tina: But sometimes it's hard to know the right direction. So we take real-life parenting challenges in every season of parenting and look at them through the lens of scripture, and we share our experiences and encouragement with one another. So if this sounds like something you'd be interested in, something you need, and listen, we have parents of children as young as elementary age to adult children. So no matter what season of parenting Kayla: And we share our experiences and encouragement with one another. So if this sounds like something you'd be interested in, something you need. And listen, we have parents of children as young as elementary age to adult children. So no matter what season of parenting Tina: You're in, there's a place for you here, and we would love for you to join us. Second and fourth Monday of every month, 6 p.m. at HUMC. Kayla: you're in, there's a place for you here. And we would love for you to join us. Second and fourth Monday of every month, 6 PM at H C. Tina: So at our meeting a couple weeks ago, we talked about discipling families in the age of AI. Because whether we want to believe it or not, AI is already here and part of everyday life. Most of our kids are already familiar with Chat GPT. Kayla: So at our meeting a couple weeks ago, we talked about discipling families in the age of AI. Because whether we want to believe it or not, AI is already here and part of everyday life. Most of our kids are already familiar with Chat GPT, Tina: Chatbots, open AI, and maybe you feel a little hesitation about using AI. Kayla: chatbots, open AI. And maybe you feel a little hesitation about using AI. Tina: But you know, I think sometimes we're using it without even realizing it. For instance, when you do a Google search, if your Google is set to AI mode, like I've opened my Google app on my phone and started typing, had no idea it was in AI mode until I got the response, and it'll produce a rather thorough explanation of. Kayla: But you know, I think sometimes we're using it without even realizing it. For instance, when you do a Google search, if your Google is set to AI mode, like I've opened my Google app on my phone and started typing, had no idea it was in AI mode until I got the response. And it'll produce a rather thorough explanation of Tina: What you searched, as opposed to pointing you to the websites that articulate that. Or when you search for an item on Amazon, Kayla: what you searched as opposed to pointing you to the websites that articulate that. Or when you search for an item on Amazon. Tina: Alexa will give you a rundown of all the different options available to you as you search for that perfect item. One of our favorite coffee companies was offering a BOGO, and they have so many interesting flavors to choose from. So my husband ordered four bags: two for me and two for him, four different Kayla: Alexa will give you a a rundown of all the different options available to you as you search for that perfect item. One of our favorite coffee companies was offering a BOGO, and they have so many interesting flavors to choose from. So my husband ordered four bags, two for me and two for him. Four different flavors. Tina: So last week I get the package out of the mailbox. I can hardly wait to brew a cup of mine. I open it up. Kayla: So last week I get the package out of the mailbox. I can hardly wait to brew a cup of mine. I open it up. Tina: One of the bags is whole bean. And I'm like, bro. Because I don't have a coffee grinder, but I'm not sending one bag of coffee back. So I said, Well, I guess I'm buying a coffee grinder. So I get on Amazon, I search coffee grinder, and without asking Miss Alexa to put her two cents in, Kayla: One of the bags is whole bean. And I'm like, bro, because I don't have a coffee grinder, but I'm not sending one bag of coffee back. So I said, Well, I guess I'm buying a coffee grinder. So I get on Amazon, I search coffee grinder, and without asking Miss Alexa to put her two cents in, she says, Burr grinders offer this, electric grinders do that. And Tina: She says burr grinders offer this, electric grinders do that, and still manual grinders are economical options. Now I'm giving you the abbreviated version. She was much more thorough than that. By the way, if anyone listening has a recommendation on a coffee grinder, send me an email at humcmo at gmail.com. So while AI may feel relatively new and unsure to us. Kayla: Still, manual grinders are economical options. Now I'm giving you the abbreviated version. She was much more thorough than that. By the way, if anyone listening has a recommendation on a coffee grinder, send me an email at humcmo at gmail.com. So while AI may feel relatively new and unsure to us, Tina: It is likely gonna be commonplace in our children's world Kayla: it is likely going to be commonplace in our children's world. And we had a deep discussion on how do we keep raising kids to be faithful, thoughtful, integral as they interact with the realities of AI. It was such a great discussion that Tina and I thought it needed to be a podcast episode so that we could open it up to the bigger audience. I know we all have different feelings about AI, so we are not here today to tell you to convince you that AI Tina: and we had a deep discussion on how do we keep raising kids to be faithful, thoughtful, integral as they interact with the realities of AI. It was such a great discussion that Tina and I thought it needed to be a podcast episode so that we could open it up to the bigger audience. I know we all have different feelings about AI, so we are not here today to tell you, to convince you that AI AI is wonderful or terrible. Kayla: is wonderful or terrible. Tina: Whether you like it or dislike it, I believe your reasons for how you feel about this are valid. Tina, when you hear AI, what is your immediate reaction? Well, as a former English teacher, I think, no, another way for kids to cheat. During the time when I was teaching, kids had just gotten access to the internet and documents and figured out how to Kayla: Whether you like it or dislike it, I believe your reasons for how you feel about this are valid. Tina, when you hear AI, what is your immediate reaction? Well, as a former English teacher, I think, no, another way for kids to cheat. During the time when I was teaching, kids had just gotten access to the internet and documents and figured out how Tina: to cut and paste someone else's information. Kayla: to cut and paste someone else's information. Tina: And as teachers, we fought this battle by explaining plagiarism. You can't take someone else's words and say that they're yours. But you could usually tell that they copied and pasted because they wouldn't normally use language that these professional writers used. But now with AI they can write a paper using AI and make it sound like they wrote it. Kayla: And as teachers, we fought this battle by explaining plagiarism. You can't take someone else's words and say that they're yours. But you could usually tell that they copied and pasted because they wouldn't normally use language that these professional writers used. But now with AI, they can write a paper using AI and make it sound like they wrote it. Tina: by using the same type of word choice or language that they would use. So it just worries me that students will cut corners and lose the ability to get their own thoughts on their paper and use AI thoughts. Yeah. Absolutely, that's a very good point. Kayla: By using the same type of word choice or language that they would use. Yep. So it just worries me that students will cut corners and lose the ability to get their own thoughts on their paper and use AI thoughts. Yeah. Absolutely. That's a very good point. so I will tell you that I dabble in AI. You know, I'm Tina: So I will tell you that I dabble in AI. You know, I'm I am selective in how I use it. I I think it can be a useful tool if used responsibly. Now my son, who is 20, avoids it at all costs. And one day when I was telling him how I was using it, he said, you don't care about our future. Kayla: I am selective in how I use it. I I think it can be a useful tool if used responsibly. Now, my son, who is 20, avoids it at all costs. And one day when I was telling him how I was using it, he said, You don't care about our future. And Tina: And I became defensive and said, you know, maybe you need to swear off the photo math Kayla: I became defensive and said, you know, maybe you need to swear off the photo math. Tina: or the face filters before you go passing judgment on me. But then I was looking for something to watch on Netflix one night. I watch a lot of documentaries. And this one documentary popped up under the We Think You'll Like This category and it was called What Is AI? And the subtitle was How I Became Kayla: Or the face filters before you go passing judgment on me. But then I was looking for something to watch on Netflix one night. I watch a lot of documentaries. And this one documentary popped up under the we think you'll like this category. And it was called What Is AI? And the subtitle was How I Became Tina: An apocalyptimist. So that caught my attention. I thought, you know, Kayla: an Apocalyptimist. So that caught my attention. I thought, you know. Tina: I should probably watch this. I probably do need to take time to educate myself more on AI, especially if I'm gonna use it. I need to know what the consequences are. So I did watch this documentary. and I better just put a disclaimer in here and say, if you go and find this documentary and watch it, I and I'm trying to remember, I think there may be some. Kayla: I should probably watch this. I probably do need to take time to educate myself more on AI, especially if I'm gonna use it. I need to know what the consequences are. So I did watch this documentary. and I better just put a disclaimer in here and say if you go and find this documentary and watch it, I and I'm trying to remember, I think there may be some Tina: profanity in there, so maybe use discretion Kayla: profanity in there. So maybe use discretion. Tina: with kids in the room. But there were there were times when I was watching it that my eyes were probably the size of Oreos. the bulk of this documentary was the producer interviewing people in the trenches of AI development on both sides. Some of them said, We all need to be very concerned about this, and here's why. They talked about the environmental impact of. Kayla: With kids in the room. But there were there were times when I was watching it that my eyes were probably the size of Oreo's. the bulk of this documentary was the producer interviewing people in the trenches of AI development on both sides. Some of them said, We all need to be very concerned about this, and here's why. They talked about the environmental impact of Tina: Data centers, how it's gonna change the workforce, Kayla: data centers, how it's gonna change the workforce. Tina: concerns about how it might be used for military, how eventually AI is going to outsmart humans. They and they almost paint a picture where the Terminator and iRobot become realities. Kayla: concerns about how it might be used for military, how eventually AI is going to outsmart humans. They and they almost paint a picture where the Terminator and IRobot become realities. And then there were some that said, what a time to be alive. Think of all the things we'll be able to do with this. And they believe AI may be the key to curing diseases and ending world hunger. Tina: And then there were some that said, What a time to be alive. Think of all the things we'll be able to do with this. And they believe AI may be the key to curing diseases and ending world hunger. I think the producer did a good job of unpacking all the pros and cons of it. But even he had an existential crisis while filming this. His wife was pregnant with their firstborn while producing the film. And as he's interviewing the individual. Kayla: I think the producer did a good job of unpacking all the pros and cons of it. But even he had an existential crisis while filming this. His wife was pregnant with their firstborn while producing the film. And as he's interviewing the individuals Tina: Individuals that are like we need to try to stop this. He starts having real anxiety about bringing the child into a world that may be largely operated by AI. He even asks those who Kayla: that are like, we need to try to stop this, he starts having real anxiety about bringing a child into a world that may be largely operated by AI. He even asks those who Tina: like are in the opposition, if the concerns are truly this big, then why don't we just stop it? Why don't we just pull the plug on it? To which they replied something to the tune of it's not just a matter of us pumping the brakes. Like we'd have to get China and Russia and all the other nations. Kayla: Like or in the opposition. If the concerns are truly this big, then why don't we just stop it? Why don't we just pull the plug on it? To which they replied something to the tune of it's not just a matter of us pumping the brakes. Like we'd have to get China and Russia and all the other nations Tina: To get on the same page. So this is feeling a lot like the race to space all over again. Basically, that ball is rolling downhill and there's no stopping it now. Kayla: to get on the same page. So this is feeling a lot like the race to space all over again. Basically that ball is rolling downhill and there's no stopping it now. Tina: I think our best hope is that there might be international regulations imposed on how this gets used. Even the creators of Chat GPT and other top leading AI models agree they all need to be regulated. Some of it felt very doom and clear. Kayla: I think our best hope is that there might be international regulations imposed on how this gets used. Even the creators of Chat GPT and other top leading AI models agree they all need to be regulated. Some of it felt very doom and gloom, Tina: But then I took a step back and thought, you know Kayla: but then I took a step back and thought, you know, I Tina: I think there's always been an element of fear among people when new technology is introduced. Kayla: think there's always been an element of fear among people when new technology is introduced. Tina: I'm pretty sure the idea that machines could replace human work or agency or be perilous to society, that's not a new concern. I'm sure when cell phones came out, my dad had initial concerns about people being able to talk and drive at the same time. I can tell you from experience that teaching kids Kayla: I'm pretty sure the idea that machines could replace human work or agency or be perilous to society, that's not a new concern. I'm sure when cell phones came out, my dad had initial concerns about peop people being able to talk and drive at the same time. I can tell you from experience that teaching kids Tina: kids about money management is a lot harder when you have less paper money moving through your hands. Kayla: about money management is a lot harder when you have less paper money moving through your hands. Tina: I can remember us being in a store when my son was little and when he asked me to buy him something and I said I didn't have enough money for it, he said just use debit. I I had a similar situation with a checkbook. Yeah. Back then we didn't have debit. So my son said, well just write a check. Yeah. Same thing. They no concept of the paper money where it's coming from. Yeah. Kayla: I can remember us being in a store when my son was little. And when he asked me to buy him something and I said I didn't have enough money for it, he said, just use debit. I I had a similar situation with a checkbook. Yeah. Back then we didn't have debit. So my son said, Well, just write a check. Yeah. Same thing. Okay. No concept of the paper money where it's coming from. Yeah. We had Tina: Had that exact conversation only with plastic, yes. So, Kayla: that exact conversation, only with plastic. Yes. So Tina: Tina, do you have any experiences of Kayla: Tina, do you have any experiences of, you know, technology that most humans had concerns about and even resisted before it was widely accepted? Absolutely. I mean, I am quite a bit older than you. So I remember way back when internet first was introduced. Yeah. And it it scared me because I thought that means anyone and everyone is now in your home. You have no control. Tina: you know, technology that most humans had concerns about and even resisted before it was widely accepted. Absolutely. I mean, I am quite a bit older than you, so I remember way back when internet first was introduced. Yeah. And it it scared me because I thought that means anyone and everyone is now in your home. You have no control over keeping people out or Kayla: over keeping people out or away Tina: From your kids. And I thought, how is this happening? Why don't we have filters? Where are the guardrails? Why do we not have a way to block things? And then came some of those. The the things that monitors you could put on firewalls, yeah, things you could put on your computer to keep your kids from getting to certain websites. But that wasn't there at first. Yeah. Kayla: from your kids. And I thought, how how is this happening? Why don't we have filters? Where are the guardrails? Why do we not have a way to block things? And then came some of those the the things that monitors you could put on firewall. Firewalls, yeah. Things you could put on your computer to keep your kids from getting to certain websites. But that wasn't there at first. Yeah. Tina: They had unlimited access. Yeah. And you Kayla: They had unlimited access. Yeah. And you, Tina: you know, I remember thinking we need to keep our computer, we had one, keep our computer in the living room where we can see everything that's going on. We can monitor everything that's going on. But it's still it it just was a fear that when they go to school, you know, when they're at other people's houses, who's watching what they're searching and where they're going on this computer, and predators Kayla: you know, I remember thinking we need to keep our computer, we had one, keep our computer in the living room where we can see everything that's going on. We can monitor everything that's going on. But it's still it it just was a fear that when they go to school, you know, when they're at other people's houses, who's watching what they're searching and where they're going on this computer and predators. Tina: being able to find your kids. And and that's not Kayla: being able to find your kids. And and that's not an old fear. That is a current fear. Absolutely. Still today. We talked about it at Raising Arrows. We did. Just last night. Yes, we did. That so that's another generation of still worrying about access to internet and predators having access to your kids. Mm-hmm. Tina: an old fear, that is a current fear absolutely still today. We talked about it at Raising Arrows. We did. Just last night. Yes we did. That so that's another generation of still worrying about access to internet and predators having access to your kids. Mm-hmm. Kayla: Yep. So every generation of parents has had to figure out how Tina: So every generation of parents has had to figure out how to disciple children through technological change. Yes, absolutely. Are these real concerns? Yes, without a doubt. But I think we agree that these technologies are not entirely perilous to humanity. There is some good that comes out of it, and we hope that AI might be the same way. Other concerns we carry with AI include things like misinformation. Kayla: To disciple children through technological change. Yes, absolutely. Are these real concerns? Yes, without a doubt. But I think we agree that these technologies are not entirely perilous to humanity. There is some good that comes out of it. And we hope that AI might be the same way. Other concerns we carry with AI include things like misinformation, Tina: Dependency. Access to inappropriate material. Kayla: dependency, access to inappropriate material. Tina: Isolation. Tina, what concerns you the most? All of the above. I I could not pick one. I I just I know that sounds cliche, but I feel like too much of a good thing can become a bad thing. Mm-hmm. Kayla: Isolation. Tina, what concerns you the most? All of the above. I I could not pick one. I I just I know that sounds cliche, but I feel like too much of a good thing can become a bad thing. Mm-hmm. Yep. So how do we navigate this as people of faith? That was kind of the question we tackled at Raising Arrows. And I'm not gonna tell you that you need to avoid it. Tina: Yep. So how do we navigate this as people of faith? That was kind of the question we tackled at Raising Arrows. And I'm not gonna tell you that you need to avoid it, but I also think we need to take great care in making sure that one, we're using it responsibly, and two, we don't become dependent on it, and three, we need to model that for our kids too. I think as Christians, discernment is key here. We live in the information. Kayla: But I also think we need to take great care in making sure that one, we're using it responsibly. And two, we don't become dependent on it. And three, we need to model that for our kids too. I think as Christians, discernment is key here. We live in the information Tina: Age, we have been in the information age for a while now. With the internet and now AI, we have access to an extraordinary amount of information, Kayla: age. We have been in the information age for a while now. With the internet and now AI, we have access to an extraordinary amount of information. Tina: and the same goes for our kids. Kayla: And the same goes for our kids. But information and wisdom are two very different things. Exactly. In Proverbs chapter four, verses five through seven, it says, Get wisdom, get understanding. Do not forget my words or turn away from them. Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you. Love her and she will watch over you. Tina: But information and wisdom are two very different things. Exactly. In Proverbs chapter four, verses five through seven, it says, get wisdom, get understanding. Do not forget my words or turn away from them. Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you. Love her, and she will watch over you. The beginning of wisdom is this: get wisdom. Kayla: The beginning of wisdom is this. Get wisdom. Tina: So it costs all you have, get understanding. So it's clearly saying that, you know, information information is just knowledge and wisdom is knowing what to do with that knowledge and how to use it. Yeah, absolutely. I love when it says the beginning of wisdom is this. Get wisdom. It's like thank you for clearing that up. Kayla: So it costs all you have. Get understanding. So it's clearly saying that, you know, information information is just knowledge. And wisdom is knowing what to do with that knowledge and how to use it. Yeah, absolutely. I love when it says the beginning of wisdom is this. Get wisdom. It's like, thank you for clearing that up. But yes, absolutely. Bingo. there is also. Tina: But yes, absolutely, bingo. there is also a verse in First Corinthians chapter six that says, All things are lawful for me, but not all things are beneficial. Now, this verse, when you look at it contextually, it is addressing sexual immorality. But I think the principle here can provide a great framework for many things, including how we use our technology. Not everything that is permissible. Kayla: A verse in First Corinthians chapter six that says, All things are lawful for me, but not all things are beneficial. Now, this verse, when you look at it contextually, it is addressing sexual immorality. But I think the principle here can provide a great framework for many things, including how we use our technology. Not everything that is permissible Tina: Is beneficial. Kayla: is beneficial. Tina: AI is permissible, but not every way it's used is beneficial. Exactly. So what we want to challenge everyone to consider is not, should I use AI? But rather, should I use it this way? And what is it helping me become? Kayla: AI is permissible, but not every way it's used is beneficial. Exactly. So what we want to challenge everyone to consider is not should I use AI, but rather should I use it this way? And what is it helping me become? So let's do a couple of scenarios here. Tina, I'm gonna read you a scenario. Tina: So let's do a couple of scenarios here. Tina, I'm gonna read you a scenario. And I want you to tell our listeners if you think it's a green light, as in okay. If it's a yellow light, you would exercise caution there. Or red light, absolutely not. So, scenario one: a teenager asks AI to write their entire English essay. That's an easy one. Red light, yeah. Red light. My greatest fear. And like I mentioned. Kayla: And I want you to tell our listeners, if you think it's a green light, as in okay. If it's a yellow light, you would exercise caution there or red light. Absolutely not. So, scenario one: a teenager asks AI to write their entire English essay. That's an easy one. Red light. Red light. My greatest fear. And like I mentioned Tina: Earlier, I would not want kids to lose the ability Kayla: earlier, I would not want kids to lose the ability to. Tina: to form their own thoughts. It's and it's happening. Yeah. And it scares me. Yeah. Okay, scenario two. They write the essay. Kayla: To form their own thoughts. It's and it's happening. Yeah. And it scares me. Yeah. Okay, scenario two. They write the essay, but then take it to Chat GPT to identify weaknesses in their argument. I would say yellow. Mm-hmm. Not necessarily red. I it's not a bad thing to get feedback. Tina: But then take it to Chat GPT to identify weaknesses in their argument. I would say yellow. Mm-hmm. Not necessarily red. I it's not a bad thing to get feedback. I would prefer that they get another human's take on it. Again, thinking like a former educator. I know how much students can learn from each other when peer editing. The reader gains knowledge is and the ability to think critically and that skill. Kayla: I would prefer that they get another human's take on it. Again, thinking like a former educator. I know how much students can learn from each other when peer editing. The reader gains knowledge is and the ability to think critically, and that skill is wasted on the computer. Yeah. Tina: wasted on the computer. Kayla: Yeah. So I would I would say that's a yellow. I would agree. Okay. Scenario three a student asks AI to explain a math. Tina: So I would I would say that's a yellow. I would agree. Okay, scenario three. A student asks AI to explain a math concept they don't understand. yellow again, I think that can be very helpful, especially when kids are working on their homework by themselves and they need some input. But again, interacting with another human can be beneficial academically and socially. maybe get both and compare the responses. Kayla: Concept they don't understand. Yellow again, I think that could be very helpful, especially when kids are working on their homework by themselves and they need some input. But again, interacting with another human can be beneficial academically and socially. Maybe get both and compare the responses. Tina: Try it with the computer and then ask a parent or a friend and see if they came up with the same, you know, if they were able to explain it Kayla: Try it with the computer and then ask a parent or a friend and see if they came up with the same, you know, if they were able to explain it. Tina: in a similar way. Yeah, absolutely. Because AI is not foolproof. It still makes errors. Right. Yeah. Okay, scenario four. A teenager asks AI, explain what Christians mean by grace. Kayla: In a similar way. Yeah, absolutely. Because AI is not foolproof. It still makes errors. Right. Yeah. Okay, scenario four. A teenager asks AI, explain what Christians mean by grace. Tina: Well, this one is tricky. I would say yellow again because I would be concerned about where the information's coming from. Kayla: this one is tricky. I would say yellow again because I would be concerned about where the information's coming from. Tina: this would be a great conversation at the dinner table or in a Bible study group. How do we know that AI is using biblically based information? We you know, I would use caution with that one. Kayla: This would be a great conversation at the dinner table or in a Bible study group. How do we know that AI is using biblically based information? We you know, I would use caution with that one. Tina: Okay. I'm I'm giving a lot of yellows, but I and I think that's okay. Like it shouldn't be the ultimate authority. Right. Exactly. And I I think that's what we're trying to communicate today. Kayla: I'm getting a lot of yellows, but yeah. I and I think that's okay. Like it shouldn't be the ultimate authority. Right. Exactly. And I I think that's what we're trying to communicate today. Tina: You know, it's not all bad. just don't let it be the author and perfecter of your life. Exactly. Yeah. Okay, scenario five. A teenager takes to AI to resolve a conflict between them and their friend asking AI how they would approach the situation. Kayla: You know, it's not all bad. just don't let it be the author and perfecter of your life. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Scenario five. A teenager takes to AI to resolve a conflict between them and their friend, asking AI how they would approach the situation, Tina: How they might express their concerns. Well, I have another yellow. I think getting a variety of input and not just asking one source, like you just said, don't let it be Kayla: how they might express their concerns. Well, I have another yellow. I think getting a variety of input and not just asking one source, like you just said, don't let it be. Tina: the end-all-be-all source of information. And if kids Kayla: the end all be all source of information. And if kids are always going to AI, they're not seeking out other humans to make connections with them and have conversations with them. And that worries me. Yeah. Because we are already so isolated. Kids are so isolated. And if this is something that you could go to a trusted friend or a trusted adult, Tina: are always going to AI. They're not seeking out other humans to make connections with them and have conversations with them. And that worries me. Because we are already so isolated. Kids are so isolated. And if this is something that you could go to a trusted friend or a trusted adult and get their input it it's so much more beneficial. And then you're building a relationship with another human being. Kayla: And get their input, yeah. It it's so much more beneficial. And then you're building a relationship with another human being Tina: As well. Kayla: as well. Yep. Tina: Okay, last one. A teenager feels lonely and begins regularly talking to an AI companion because they say it listens to me and doesn't judge me. Kayla: Okay, last one. A teenager feels lonely and begins regularly talking to an AI companion because they say it listens to me and doesn't judge me. Tina: Wow. It can listen and not judge, definitely, but can it show you love and compassion? It's a computer. Right. It's a program. Can it understand what you're going through? Kayla: It can listen and not judge, definitely, but can it show you love and compassion? It's a computer. Right. It's a program. Can it understand what you're going through? Tina: i is it keeping you from seeking out another human who could listen and not judge? Again, a a true friend. I would go yellow, maybe a little closer to red, just because of the isolation idea. Kayla: Is it keeping you from seeking out another human who could listen and not judge? Again, a a true friend. I would go yellow, maybe a little closer to red, just because of the isolation idea. Tina: It just causes them to be more isolated. Yeah. And those who are listening, you may be wondering like, do kids really ask these questions? And they do. Kayla: It just causes them to be more isolated. Yeah. And those who are listening, you may be wondering like, do kids really ask these questions? And they do. and we realize that there are there are some that that lack that support system, whether it's at home or they may not get, you know, the emotional support that they need and or the academic. Tina: And we realize that there are s there are some that that lack that support system. whether it's at home or they may not get, you know, the emotional support that they need and or the academic support that they need. Kayla: support that they need. but again, we just want to help people recognize that, you know, these are the things we're running up against. And AI is not bad, but it really should be looked upon as a resource, but not something that we depend on to solve all our problems and and do all our work, right? or to replace relationship. So Tina: But again, we just want to help people recognize that you know these are the things we're running up against. And AI is not bad, but it really should be looked upon as a resource, but not something that we depend on to solve all our problems and and do all our work, right? or to replace relationship. So these scenarios just help us confront important questions as part of our discernment. Where is that line between Kayla: these scenarios just help us confront important questions as part of our discernment. Where is that line between Tina: AI assisting our thinking and replacing our thinking. And when does a helpful resource start becoming an authority figure in our lives? Kayla: AI assisting our thinking and replacing our thinking? And when does a helpful resource start becoming an authority figure in our lives? I liked how you explained this wise test, this acrostic, and we talked about this at Raising Arrows. Tina: I liked how you explained this wise test, this acrostic, and we talked about this at raising arrows. It introduces four questions we should discuss with our families when trying to use AI responsibility. So W is why? Why am I using it? Am I trying to learn or trying to avoid doing something difficult? And then the I is for integrity. That is such an important thing here. I think it's the most important thing is Kayla: It introduces four questions we should discuss with our families when trying to use AI responsibly. So W is why? Why am I using it? Am I trying to learn or trying to avoid doing something difficult? And then the I is for integrity. That is such an important thing here. I think it's the most important thing is teaching our kids integrity. And would I be comfortable telling my parent Tina: Teaching our kids integrity. And would I be comfortable telling my parent, teacher, pastor, or boss exactly how I used AI? If I can't say, you know, well, I just got some ideas, but I wrote it myself or it wrote it. Yeah. Yeah. So that integrity of being honest and true. And then S is it safe? Is it safe and true? Am I sharing something private? Have I verified that Kayla: Teacher, pastor, or boss, exactly how I used AI. If I can't say, you know, well, I just got some ideas, but I wrote it myself or it wrote it. Yeah. Yeah. So that integrity of being honest and true. And then S is it safe? Is it safe and true? Am I sharing something private? Have I verified that what AI told me is actually true? Tina: What AI told me is actually true. my daughter loves doing that. She loves chasing down information and making sure it's accurate. So she's kind of my research person. If I have a question about something, I just run it by her. And she can find sources so quickly. That's right. Probably using AI. As a resource. As a resource, exactly. And multiple, multiple resources. And then the Kayla: my daughter loves doing that. She loves chasing down information and making sure it's accurate. So she's kind of my research person. If I have a question about something, I just run it by her. That's nice. And she can find sources so quickly. That's great. Probably using AI. As a resource, as a resource, exactly. And multiple, multiple resources. And then the Tina: E is edifying. Kayla: E is edifying. Tina: Is this helpful or helping me become wiser, more capable, creative, loving, and faithful? Or more dependent on that technology? Is it making me more Christ-like or more of the world and not of Christ? Exactly. Kayla: Is this helpful or helping me become wiser, more capable, creative, loving, and faithful or more dependent on that technology? Is it making me more Christ like or more of the world and not of Christ? Exactly. So in in Philippians 4, verse 8, it says, Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true. Tina: So in in Philippians 4, verse 8, it says, Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. And that is what the E of wise means to me. Kayla: Whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable. If anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. And that is what the E of wise means to me. Yeah. something else to consider as you discern Tina: Yeah. something else to consider as you discern. Kayla: with your family. What what technology boundary do we expect our kids to follow that we're sometimes bad at following ourselves? Right? Are we on our phones at dinner time? Are we scrolling instead of engaging in conversation with them? Are we checking our notifications constantly? Tina: with your family. What what technology boundary do we expect our kids to follow that we're sometimes bad at following ourselves? Right? Are we on our phones at dinner time? Are we scrolling instead of engaging in conversation with them? Are we checking our notifications constantly? Keep in mind our kids are learning how to relate to technology partly by watching how we relate to ours. Kayla: Keep in mind our kids are learning how to relate to technology partly by watching how we relate to ours. Tina: Okay, so your pavement challenge this week, I want you all to think about creating a family, AI, or technology covenant. So ask everyone in your family, sit down and have a conversation about the pros and the cons of AI, Kayla: Okay, so your pavement challenge this week, I want you all to think about creating a family AI or technology covenant. So ask everyone in your family, sit down and have a conversation about the pros and the cons of AI. Tina: and then ask: what kind of people do we want technology to help us become? Kayla: And then ask what kind of people do we want technology to help us become? And hopefully you choose words like honest and wise, creative, responsible, curious, faithful. And then create three to five family principles together. If you're gonna permit the use of AI, some examples or guardrails you can put up might be. Tina: And hopefully you choose words like honest and wise, creative, responsible, curious, faithful, and then create three to five family principles together. If you're gonna permit the use of AI, some examples or guardrails you can put up might be, we'll Kayla: We'll use AI to help us learn, but not avoid learning. We're going to use our critical thinking skills. it can be a tool to help us, but not a way to get out of doing the work that is required of us. We'll be honest about when AI has helped us. We won't give AI information that should remain private. Tina: use AI to help us learn, but not avoid learning. We're gonna use our critical thinking skills. It can be a tool to help us, but not a way to get out of doing the work that is required of us. We'll be honest about when AI has helped us. We won't give AI information that should remain private. AI will not replace conversations that we still need to be having with real people. Kayla: AI will not replace conversations that we still need to be having with real people and will verify important things rather than assuming AI is right because AI is not a hundred percent right all the time. Tina: And we'll verify important things rather than assuming AI is right because AI is not a hundred percent right all the time. I want to close with Ephesians 5 15, which says, Be careful then how you live. Not as unwise people, but as wise. Kayla: I want to close with Ephesians 5:15, which says, be careful then how you live, not as unwise people, but as wise. Someday AI will probably look even more different than it does today. Our kids will encounter technologies we haven't even imagined yet. So perhaps our greatest responsibility isn't teaching them exactly what to do with every new technology. Tina: Someday AI will probably look even more different than it does today. Our kids will encounter technologies we haven't even imagined yet. So perhaps our greatest responsibility isn't teaching them exactly what to do with every new technology. We won't always be able to do that. But maybe it's raising children who know how to ask good questions, who know how to discern: is it true? Is it good? Kayla: We won't always be able to do that. But maybe it's raising children who know how to ask good questions, who know how to discern is it true? Is it good? Tina: Is it loving? Is it wise? Is it controlling me? Is it helping me love God and neighbor? Because if we can raise kids who know how to seek wisdom, we've given them something far more valuable Kayla: Is it loving? Is it wise? Is it controlling me? Is it helping me love God and neighbor? Because if we can raise kids who know how to seek wisdom, we've given them something far more valuable. Tina: than a primer on AI. Kayla: Than a primer on AI. Exactly. Yes, the words integrity and character just keep coming to mind. We have to teach our children to do what is right even when no one is looking. I had that poster in my office at school. I just wanted kids to know that make good choices. Yeah. Because God is always watching. He is always watching. Yeah. We cannot hide from it. So yeah, it just Tina: Yes, the words integrity and character just keep coming to mind. We have to teach our children to do what is right even when no one is looking. I had that poster in my office at school. I just wanted kids to know that make good choices. Yeah. Because God is always watching. He is always watching. Yeah, we cannot hide from that. We can't hide from that. So yeah, it just have that integrity to know what's right. Yeah. And like you said, the discernment to know to be wise. Yeah. Not just have knowledge, but have wisdom. Amen. Dina, would you close us with a prayer? Sure. Awesome. Kayla: Have that integrity to know what's right. Yeah. And like you said, the discernment to know, to be wise. Yeah. Not just have knowledge, but have wisdom. Amen. Tina, would you close us with a prayer? Sure. Awesome. Tina: Dear Heavenly Father, in a world of ever-changing challenges for us as parents, for grandparents, and for our children, give us the knowledge and wisdom to guide them in the way that brings you glory and honor. Watch over them when we are not present, and be the light that shows them the way to making choices that are true, noble, and right. In your name we pray. Amen. Kayla: Dear Heavenly Father, in a world of ever-changing challenges for us as parents or grandparents, and for our children, give us the knowledge and wisdom to guide them in the way that brings you glory and honor. Watch over them when we are not present, and be the light that shows them the way to making choices that are true, noble, and right. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tina, and God bless you all. Tina: Thank you, Tina, and God bless you all. Kayla: Thank you for joining us today on Pulpit to Pavement. As you go, remember, faith isn't just something we hear about, it's something we live out. So take what God has placed on your heart today, carry it into your week, and put your faith into motion. Until next time, may God bless you, guide you, and use you wherever the road takes you. Keep the faith and take it to the pavement.