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Normally Podcast: 2026 Primary Warning Signs, Trump’s Endorsement Problem & the Lindsay Clancy Debate · Normally

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on. Normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normal it takes, but when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Ham, I'm Carol Marco. It's how
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  Speaker 2: are you, Mary Katherine?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. We had back to school night last night,
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  Speaker 1: which I gotta tell you, with four kids is quite
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  Speaker 1: a quite a logistics situation we had. Do you are
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  Speaker 1: you aware? I'm sure you guys do this too. I
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  Speaker 1: think every I think it's universal that every classroom asks
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  Speaker 1: for uh tissue a Kleenex as part of the school supplies,
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  Speaker 1: and we as a result, I was like, Steve just
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  Speaker 1: costco a bunch of Kleenex because the number of boxes
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  Speaker 1: we are required to bring is very, very high with
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  Speaker 1: four children, and so Steve was walking around last night
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  Speaker 1: at the event, was like a palette of Kleenex, like
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  Speaker 1: just wandering from room to room. I'm like, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is why you lift, so that you can take a
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  Speaker 1: hell out of Kleenex back to school. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: used to just ship it straight to the school from
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  Speaker 1: Amazon Smart Smart. Yeah, it's a it's a life hack,
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  Speaker 1: so Steve doesn't have to carry the Kleenex. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: am I the only person with Kleenex here and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, no, but you are a person with four
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  Speaker 1: kids and the children but that's it.
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  Speaker 2: You have four kids at the same school, right yep, Ye, amazing.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty exciting. Uh, that's a that's a big life
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  Speaker 1: hack in and of itself. So here we go. What
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  Speaker 1: about you.
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  Speaker 2: I am still in Europe. I'm in Normandy. Uh, leaving
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  Speaker 2: for Munich tomorrow. I think I mentioned in the last episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a World War two trip with my middle son.
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  Speaker 2: It is super intense and amazing and just incredible and
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  Speaker 2: learning so much. And yeah, it's it's just one of
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  Speaker 2: those things that like you know about it, but then
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  Speaker 2: you learn all these details and you see the place
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  Speaker 2: and like we went to Normandy last year, but that
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  Speaker 2: was mostly to like eat oysters and like hang out,
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  Speaker 2: and we saw the beaches.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're not on a tour, when you're not
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  Speaker 2: getting the information, this is how it worked, this is
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  Speaker 2: where they were, this is how many people were lost
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  Speaker 2: that day. It's very very different. And so this has
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  Speaker 2: been a really eye opening experience and I've loved every second.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with this organization called Tea Piff and they're
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  Speaker 2: just fantastic. The Public Interest Fund I have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not sponsored in any way other than the fact that
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  Speaker 2: I'm here on this trip with them and they're just
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  Speaker 2: wonderful and they do great work.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. That is a bucket list trip, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the perspective makes the oysters taste even better.
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  Speaker 2: It does the muscles ahead last night or two nights
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  Speaker 2: ago were amazing. Hope my Rabbi is not listening. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So last night was a big election in Florida, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I got my predictions wrong. But then
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  Speaker 2: I heard from a bunch of people today who feel
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  Speaker 2: like I got them right. So I'll take the win.
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  Speaker 2: But I said that James Fishback would get six percent
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  Speaker 2: of the vote and he got ten, which I consider wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But I heard from people who were just thinking he
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  Speaker 2: was going to be in the running, and so they
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  Speaker 2: felt like I had talked them off a ledge. I
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  Speaker 2: knew he wasn't going to win. Obviously, he didn't even
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  Speaker 2: come in second. He came in a very distant third.
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  Speaker 2: But it is concerning, and I would say that the
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  Speaker 2: reason I got it's so wrong again from my perspective,
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  Speaker 2: is that I expected much higher turnout. This was not
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  Speaker 2: a even medium sized turnout election. I think they don't
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  Speaker 2: even get to two million votes in the primary, which
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  Speaker 2: in a state as big as Florida, is just a
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  Speaker 2: small small number of people voted. And then you get
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  Speaker 2: the stories about him, like, oh, he won the district
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  Speaker 2: that contains all the colleges, and like he won eighty
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  Speaker 2: nine percent of the vote in the Florida State University precinct,
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  Speaker 2: And then you look at it and yeah, he won
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine percent, which is twenty five votes, and that's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: This account Erica Knight said, FSU has forty six and
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  Speaker 2: eighty four students. Twenty eight people voted in this precinct.
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  Speaker 2: FISHPEC got twenty five. He didn't capture the youth vote.
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  Speaker 2: He captured a group chat, and I like that. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I am still concerned about him cracking ten percent.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't say that I am encouraged by the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he lost, because I knew he was going
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  Speaker 2: to lose. Another candidate, Dan Bazarian, who is an absolute lunatic,
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  Speaker 2: got nineteen percent in Florida. I would say that one's
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  Speaker 2: a little different because he was running against Randy Fine,
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  Speaker 2: who I align almost perfectly on it shoes and yet
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  Speaker 2: dislike a lot because he is just an abrasive personality.
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  Speaker 2: He has done stuff like accuse Ron DeSantis of being
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  Speaker 2: an anti Semite. So I just think that people voted
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  Speaker 2: against Randy Fine, and I'm gonna hope that that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't vote for an open Nazi. But the Fishback
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  Speaker 2: thing is concerning to me because I think both sides
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  Speaker 2: are having this really bad element take control, especially in
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  Speaker 2: elections that are decided by very few votes. These low
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  Speaker 2: turnout elections are where these communists and you know, on
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  Speaker 2: the right it would be I don't even know what
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  Speaker 2: to call them. I mean the new right, the Nazi right,
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  Speaker 2: the woke right, all of that whatever. I think that
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  Speaker 2: there's a real chance that one of these candidates can
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  Speaker 2: make a stand in an election where everybody thinks it's
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  Speaker 2: safe and everybody thinks it's okay, and they're not worried
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  Speaker 2: about it at all, and nobody goes to vote, and
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  Speaker 2: one of these people can win. I'm glad it's not
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  Speaker 2: James Fishback, but we have to be more careful as
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  Speaker 2: your Republican party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a danger, as you've seen with
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  Speaker 1: the DSA of the group chat taking over your party, right,
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  Speaker 1: so you can do it with small numbers if you're
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  Speaker 1: doing it in low turnout.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It is encouraging to me that the sensible people of
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  Speaker 1: Florida have pushed back on the you know, oak right
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  Speaker 1: in these two cases virulently anti Semitic candidates of the
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  Speaker 1: Horseshoe on the right, and they have not succeeded there.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, it is still a warning shop
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  Speaker 1: if these people can muster these many votes. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: want to warn against this. The sort of fishback was
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  Speaker 1: such an online phenomenon. But the trick of online ops
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  Speaker 1: is that you build up these people wouldn't necessarily be
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  Speaker 1: real life contenders, and then you give them all this
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  Speaker 1: extra attention and then you give them potentially all these
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  Speaker 1: extra votes as a result. And the argument about the
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  Speaker 1: college campuses, I think is another element of that, where
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  Speaker 1: people are trying to say, well, look, this is the youth.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, you don't have to listen to the
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  Speaker 1: youth just because the youth in numbers of twenty five
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  Speaker 1: are saying in one precinct that they want to vote
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  Speaker 1: for this guy. I think what we saw in Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: where Francesca hung lost to a moderate African American technocrat Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: Is because there was some leadership from yes older establishment
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  Speaker 1: democrat Tony Evers, the governor there, who said, no, we're
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  Speaker 1: not doing this. But there is a real concerted online
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  Speaker 1: effort to say, we got to listen, we have to
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  Speaker 1: follow these twenty five people at the FSU precinct, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't, you don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's this other again with the low turnout
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  Speaker 2: elections and bad candidates sometimes can also be the reason
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  Speaker 2: why these elections go a little haywire. Like I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that I just don't like Randy Fine. I find him
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  Speaker 2: to be just a negative force in politics. But again,
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  Speaker 2: when he's running against an open insane Nazi, obviously I
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  Speaker 2: would have voted for him in his district. But I
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  Speaker 2: think back to like mom Dannie winning in New York
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that Andrew Cuomo was the great savior there. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's just these really bad candidates. So the big election
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  Speaker 2: story out of Florida last night is actually not any
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  Speaker 2: of this. It's that alex Vinman lost his election. He's
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  Speaker 2: running for the Democratic nomination for US Senate in order
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  Speaker 2: to take on Ashley Moody. And he lost to Angie Nixon,
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  Speaker 2: who a name barely heard throughout this primary. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he was supposed to run away with it, and he
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  Speaker 2: lost by about twelve points despite a nearly sixteen to
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  Speaker 2: one cash advantage. And that's a great example of Was
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  Speaker 2: it because it was a low turnout election. Was it
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  Speaker 2: because Vinman moved to Florida to run for the seat
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  Speaker 2: and thought it was owed to him. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: could be any number of things. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: what the Democrats have missed is that they're being taken
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  Speaker 2: over by this element, while Republicans are very much still
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  Speaker 2: fighting back against it. But I don't want us to
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  Speaker 2: become complacent and think that's okay. We could run very
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  Speaker 2: mediocre candidates against these people and they'll win because obviously
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  Speaker 2: nobody's voting for the crazy person, because sometimes the crazy
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  Speaker 2: person he went they win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Cook Political report with the sort of national
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  Speaker 1: trend story on Vinman, notes that seven years ago, Democratic
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  Speaker 1: representatives Diana to get who went down in Denver, Dan
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  Speaker 1: Goldman lost in New York, and National Security Council Officer
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  Speaker 1: Alexander Venman played high profile roles in the impeachment of
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  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. This cycle, Democratic voters rejected all three
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  Speaker 1: in favor of more progressive candidates who pledged to fight
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  Speaker 1: not just against Trump, but to disrupt what they believed
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  Speaker 1: to be the nation's corrupt political and economic systems. To me,
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  Speaker 1: he is not a good candidate. He did act entitled,
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  Speaker 1: he showed up in Florida like give me my seat
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  Speaker 1: and did not consider Nixon even Really, competition didn't make
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  Speaker 1: the argument, and entitlement doesn't work in these races. However,
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  Speaker 1: I do think there's a thing happening here where Woke
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  Speaker 1: one point zero slash Resistance one point zero is being
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  Speaker 1: rejected roundly like you're you're the last model. We don't
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  Speaker 1: need you, We've moved else. The something else is more militant,
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  Speaker 1: more anti Israel, more communist, revolutionary, and happy to be uh,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes very extreme and sometimes advocate violence if you have
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  Speaker 1: Hassan Piker on your side, for instance, to meet their ends.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not fun.
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  Speaker 2: So the other thing is Alex Wnman immediately endorsed Nixon,
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  Speaker 2: and it's kind of crazy. This is what he writes.
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  Speaker 2: Who would have ever thought that a Jewish refugee would
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  Speaker 2: make it to the US Army, to the White House,
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  Speaker 2: into becoming a candidate for US Senate. Only in America
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  Speaker 2: is that possible, And it would have not been possible
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  Speaker 2: without you, Florida. I still believe in the American dream
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  Speaker 2: because I've lived it. It's worth fighting for Rep. Nixon
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  Speaker 2: ran a strong campaign. I'll be standing by her side
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  Speaker 2: in the fight against Ashley Moody. I hope you'll join me.
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  Speaker 2: It's baffling to me because I'm from the same place
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  Speaker 2: as this guy, where both refugees from the former Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of being a refugee from the former Soviet Union,
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  Speaker 2: getting to America, being raised here, understanding all that America
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  Speaker 2: gives you, and then choosing to vote for the communist
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  Speaker 2: over Ashley Moody, who's like a normy Republican, is bananas
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  Speaker 2: to me. And I just I find this Vinman family
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  Speaker 2: just so disingenuous and like in another universe, I should
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  Speaker 2: be rooting for them, and I just I find them
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  Speaker 2: the lowest common denominator in our politics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's it's a lot of drama kinging from the vengements,
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  Speaker 1: the other of whom in Virginia was shouted down at
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  Speaker 1: a town meeting last week by transgender activists because this
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  Speaker 1: is the problem. Will one point zho isn't done if
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: you're you know, if you're subject to this progressive base,
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  Speaker 1: like they are relaunching something here.
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  Speaker 2: But being part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't isn't a defense. So there's another race in Florida
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  Speaker 1: where the Republicans did reject a scandal plagued current representative
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  Speaker 1: Corey Mills, who lost to a former news anchor, Ryan Elijah.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: I believe it is how you say his name, and
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  Speaker 1: he will face a formidable d but probably to have
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  Speaker 1: cleared the very scandal played guy out of the race
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  Speaker 1: in that one. Republicans have notably not done that with
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  Speaker 1: Max Miller, who's still going to stick around in Ohio,
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: but in a couple other places they have gotten out
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  Speaker 1: of that. Andy Ogles in Tennessee and Chuck Edwards in
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina also discarded in their primaries.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting also, Trump had endorsed Quarry Mills, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that the Trump endorsement matters a whole lot some
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  Speaker 2: of the time and then really doesn't in other situations.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike Lindell recently lost his primary. He's, of course
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  Speaker 2: the pillow guy, and Trump had endorsed him as well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen with Jarlene Graham,
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: who is competing for her brother Lindsay Gramsey. But she
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: had a pretty terrible debate last night where she said
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't know a lot about foreign policy. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a great moment for her.
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  Speaker 1: No. Trump endorsed Katalina welf who I think was new
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  Speaker 1: to Florida as well, also lost. And and hats off
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  Speaker 1: to the people of Minnesota for picking Lisa Demos, a
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  Speaker 1: very normy Republican woman state legislator, for some shot at
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  Speaker 1: that because Lindell uh not going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, again, I think Republicans need to get a
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  Speaker 2: lot smarter on messaging too, because a lot of these quirky,
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  Speaker 2: far out candidates, I mean, yeah, they're right now. They're
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  Speaker 2: running on you know, Israel causes all of our problems,
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  Speaker 2: and if we could just you know, get rid of that,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: get rid of our relationship with Israel, everything will be
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  Speaker 2: so much better. But you're going to get the smarter
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  Speaker 2: versions of that. It won't be James fishback, and it'll
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  Speaker 2: be somebody who can message better on different issues and
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  Speaker 2: maybe not make Israel the central focus of their campaign.
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  Speaker 2: And that person will have a fighting shot. So Republicans
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  Speaker 2: need to protect their party, our party in a way
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  Speaker 2: that Democrats have failed to do. And we should really
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  Speaker 2: learn the lessons of what the Democrats are going through
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  Speaker 2: right now, because we just don't want to be them
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  Speaker 2: and they're Democrats should be running away with the midterms,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not because they're largely the Party of kooks.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, ten, just for stats purposes, Aaron Blake
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  Speaker 1: reports ten Trump endorse candidates have now lost this primary season,
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  Speaker 1: including six in the last two weeks alone and three
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Those ten losses are as much as Trump
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  Speaker 1: suffered in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four combined,
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  Speaker 1: so that that is a significant uptick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also interesting because what does that mean for
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. I think the idea has long been,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: whoever Trump endorses for the presidency in twenty twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: is there's nobody else that can even run. And I
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: don't know that that's going to be necessarily true. And
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know that Trump. Maybe he does have this
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  Speaker 2: way on the national level, but these losing, these smaller rases,
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  Speaker 2: he actually has to have somebody tighten his endorsements back up.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just endorse anybody who's nice to you. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where I think he is right now.
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  Speaker 3: That I mean, come on, you know it's not the
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  Speaker 3: correct metric now well for anything, really, let's just let's
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  Speaker 3: just go with that, all right. We're going to take
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  Speaker 3: a short break and be right back with more on normally.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back on normally with some good
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  Speaker 1: news speaking of things that Republicans could talk about, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, and should get more coverage. The FBI released
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: its most recent data and shows that the murder rate
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: has hit a twenty year low in twenty twenty five,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and violent crime overall has shown the biggest one year
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  Speaker 1: drop on record, according to data released last week. Places
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  Speaker 1: like Buffalo, New York, Newark, New Jersey seeing these insane
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: drop offs in homicide rates especially, this is just unalloyed
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  Speaker 1: good news for the country.
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  Speaker 2: So there's I don't feel like it gets it is
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  Speaker 2: a little complex.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Trump is like I did all of this right,
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  Speaker 1: which is what Republicans should be arguing, like we changed
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  Speaker 1: the game on this and now look, there are fewer
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: people dying. All these violent crime rates are down. Isn't
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: that great? Now? There is a part where the the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: woke one point zero, frankly and the pandemic policies spiked
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  Speaker 1: violent crime because the attitude was not only is violent
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  Speaker 1: crime just part of life and you must cope with it,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: but in fact it might be actually it might be
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  Speaker 1: just a just punishment for your white privilege, and we
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: can't mench anyone who perpetrates it on you. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was the philosophy in many major cities.
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  Speaker 2: It still is right, And Mamdannie is taking credit for
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  Speaker 2: the crime drop in New York City, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: but it's happening everywhere. It's actually not you at all.
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  Speaker 2: And you kept the police commissioner from the last term.
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  Speaker 1: So how is it you? Yeah, thank you, Tish, No,
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  Speaker 1: it has so all of that is good news. There's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: a member of the force in Buffalo who notes some
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: of this is just citizens refusing to take it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: People hit a breaking point in twenty twenty two, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three where they said, no, we're not going to
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just put up with this, even in places like San Francisco,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: where you got the ousting of the prosecutor and then
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you got new policies thanks to a sensible mayor, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you know, small and large crimes have gone down there
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and normal people can live their lives and that is
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: what you want, right.
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  Speaker 2: I remember so clearly in the summer of twenty twenty,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: where dysfunction was just raining, especially in places like Brooklyn
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: where we lived, and people on my neighborhood Facebook group
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: would say stuff like I'm really worried about the crime increased,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and they would get just savaged, like what crime increased?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That's so racist. What are you talking about? Like do
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  Speaker 2: not feel safe? You know, and that's ridiculous. And it
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: was just you weren't allowed to say the crime was
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: getting bad. And I think once that broke once, like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you said, people were not taking it anymore. Once they
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: were like, wait, crime is bad and we should fight it.
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  Speaker 2: It really changed things. It changed things in lots of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: different places.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a place where things haven't changed enough is, uh,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: northern Virginia. Please look to Fairfax County, which still has
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a Soros funded prosecutor. That's not a red meat phrase,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it's just real. His name is Steve Discouno. We've talked
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: about him on the show before, and I just want
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to give the contrast to how people have shifted gears
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in a place like Baltimore or San Francisco. But we
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: still have this guy here who did this. This is
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the Daily Wire reporting an Islamist illegal alien murderer was
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: allowed to escape back to his home country. To his
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: home country thanks to Virginia officials who failed to get
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a guilty verdict even after he admitted guilt, helped him
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: get a foreign passport and allowed him to leave the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: mental hospital on unsupervised visits. He had stabbed his roommate.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: He had stabbed his roommate, I think in a religious argument,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: was covered in blood from head to toe, said I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: am guilty. They gave him an insanity plea. They put
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: him in a mental health facility Fairfax County. Later, I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: believe facilitated actual transportation for him to DC to get
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a Tajikistan passport. They led him out on They let
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: him out on weekends, and he flew home, which like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on one hand, he's self deported. On the other hand,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: we're very lucky he didn't kill anybody while he was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: out on any of his forty eight hour passes. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the things that happen in this county are so crazy
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that I'm like, if let's say extremists, confessed murderer, mental
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: institution dwellers were writing Discano's policies, how would they be different?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: How would they be different? Right?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: It sounds made up like it sounds like and then
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they let him out of a mental hospital and then
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: they drove him to get a passport. It's like, how
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is this real?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It is real? Yeah, I do think I am a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: little surprised that there hasn't been more effort to get
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: rid of Discano, because you could get a more sensible
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: prosecutor here than this guy. But it is a very
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: very blue place. Been small efforts, and there have been
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: small protests, particularly around the execution style shooting of Greg Gleier,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: who was a dad of several children, was killed in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: his bed by a man who was obsessed with his wife.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That guy also was given just a flimsy insanity plea
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he'll probably be in a mental health facility and let
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: out for weekends as well. You cannot trust these people.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It is wild what they're doing.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: How do we get to the other side of this?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: In places like Fairfax.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: These news stories continue to build up, and I want
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to note one from this week where I was just
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: hiking at this place this past weekend. It is in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a very tony area McLean, Virginia, the trailheads to the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Great Falls area, which is a very popular hiking spot
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in northern Virginia. A woman was found stabbed at seven
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: am in the Trailhead area, and I thought to myself,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to find out this. This is either an
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: illegal immigrant who is here and been detained in the past,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: or a violent criminal who's been detained and let go.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But I didn't say anything about it. I waited on
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the facts, and sure enough they picked up a suspect
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and he is a nineteen year old illegal immigrant who
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: had been of course in contact and picked up by
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the Border patrol and ice in the past, or detained
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and then let go. And yes there was a murder
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in mclin at his hands. So coming that is coming
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a little closer to home for many voters who might
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: otherwise ignore these things.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: How do we get them to give up their hatred
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of Trump and protect themselves? I think that's the question
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that Republican candidates need to be asking going into the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: next election, Like, how do I send a message that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: all of this can be stopped. Look at all the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: examples from around the country.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Taking away their hiking trail safety. I think actually is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a pretty good way to reach them. The other problem
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I think Republicans have, and that I have when I'm
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: speaking about this, is that, as you say, it sounds
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: so extreme as to not be real. But I promise
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you all of the things I just said are real.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: It's they're making crazy decisions here.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they don't have that long to turn
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it around before it gets worse. So here's hoping that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: smart people make good decisions. It's just so unbelievable that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what else to suggest.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I know, and it keeps happening, but I know it
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is an accumulation of data points. I think that finally
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: gets to people, and that these kinds of violent crimes,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: if you allow this to go on and on and on,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: eventually break containment and they happen in paces people are
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: not used to them happening, and.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: That's what has to happen. All right, We're going to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: take a short break and be right back with one
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: more segment of Normally. We are back on Normally, where
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the story of Lindsay Clancy, a Massachusetts mother whose trial
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: is happening currently. She's accused of killing her three children
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in January twenty twenty three and then attempting suicide. Has
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: been kind of all over the place. I see it
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: among people who are not Newsy, people who are not
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: in politics, just really normy people are super into it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: It's just such a terrible story. Her defense says that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: she was experiencing postpartum psychosis, affected by medications that she
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was taking, and prosecutors argue that the killings were deliberate
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and that she wasn't in this psychosis, and everybody's kind
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of weighing in with their opinion on what the story
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: is there. But it's sort of jumped from postpartum psychosis
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to a conversation on X about whether or not postpartum
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: depression is real at all.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Right, I think this conversation is sort of spinning out
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: on two sides. Often Internet conversations do, because there is
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a segment of people who are, you know, doing sort
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of the Candie Owans weaving a story very enthusiastically in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: defense of Lindsay Clancy. Then there's a segment of pretty
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: normal people in the middle who are like, this is
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a terrible end to this thing. I am interested in
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the idea that postpartum psychosis could have contributed to this,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and then it became sort of a public health discussion
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: which has really become super mean about the idea of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: postpartum depression and psychosis at all, both of which things
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: are very real and it doesn't mean that you're excusing
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: harder to say.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And it got sort of kicked off
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: with Matt Walsh posting a lot of people aren't going
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to want to hear this, but much of the quote
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: unquote depression that parents and not just moms suffer after
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: childbirths do not so much to hormones, but to the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: fact that children, especially babies, are demanding and difficult and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: require us to subordinate our own needs and desires for
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: their sake. The more selfissue are, the more of an
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: adjustment it's going to be. And it's like, yes, the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: more selfish you are, the more of an adjustment is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: going to be. But that doesn't mean that depression quote
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: unquote depression is not real and that hormones don't play
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: any role in you know, bad things in your head
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: becoming an issue for you. And it's the note that's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: attached to his tweet says medical sources state postpartum depression
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: is multi factural rapid drops and estrogen and progesterone after
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: birth or key biological factors, along with sleep loss and adjustment.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Stress is not primarily attributed to selfishness. It's just it
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was a weird thing for him to say. He's of
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: course doubling and tripling down on it. And you know
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the thing is, I agree with him, of course that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: having babies is going to completely change you, and if
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you don't kind of lean into that change is going
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to be even harder. But the idea that depression, that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: postpartum depression is not real is where he loses me completely.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to assume bad motives of anyone who has
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a tough time. Yes, I have had extremely smooth, positive
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: postpartum experience. Yeah, but I can still tell you that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And my perspective I think is useful in this because
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: having not experienced PPD, it was still very hard, right,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's moral and certainly not biblical
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: or scriptural to say that to a wife who has
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: borne your children. You know, you're being selfish and weak
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: if you're having issues right now. That is that is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: not the way. And again to acknowledge that and postpartum
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: psychosis is much more serious and much more rare, horrific
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and includes hallucinations and all sorts of things. To acknowledge
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that those things are real and terrible and painful does
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not excuse exactly. I think there's room for and there
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: are a lot of normany moms. There's room for them
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to think. I'm not putting Lindsay Clancy in the same
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: category as ac Anthony or Susan Smith. And also, why
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: are y'all being so mean to me online about the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: idea that birth and postpartum our heart right?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, And look, there's the electoral component of it also,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: which is like, if women keep seeing their issues completely
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: dismissed by conservative men, that's not going to be good
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: for us politically. And the fact is that even conservative
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: men I've seen defending the idea of postpartum depression being
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a thing. I think Ben Shapiro kind of said it best.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He said, postpartum depression is quite real. Postpartum psychosis is real,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: but also distinct. People conflate the two or being foolish
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: people who dismiss either are being ridiculous, and you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: is that going to get play in the same way
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: that Matt Walsh's commented, Of course not, because you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: everybody enjoys highlighting the crazy things that people.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Say, right, And also beyond a political consideration, it's bad
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: family formation to see people talking like this. People are
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: already sometimes scared off of childbearing and child rearing because
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what they see makes them think that it would be miserable.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And it is a tricky thing to talk about because
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: when I talk about my positive experiences sometimes it can
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: make other people upset who had less positive experiences, right,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So be careful I talk about it. But I also
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, make Anyboddy scared of having
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: children because it's so beautiful. So you have to really
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: walk this line. But seeing people trash women in this
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: way and assume the absolute worst of anyone who's having
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: problems is not encouraging. You're extremely vulnerable after you've given birth,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and the absolute best thing you can have is a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: partner who is like I am here for you. I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: know this is hard. Sometimes you're going to be irrational
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to you water and mac and cheese. Anyway,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like that and you sleep. That's what you need.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, that's it. That's a big step towards it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know her husband, Clancy's husband was actually supportive.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That was like a thing that keeps coming up. Then,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you know, the left is like, oh, he could have
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: taken paternity leave. He apparently took the full three months
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: of paternity leave and is an incredibly involved father. This
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: is just a horrible, horrible thing that happened, and she
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: needs to be held accountable for it, you know, psychosis
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: or not. So I think we can get to the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: same same place without trashing women. Is where we are.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, even though it gets you clicks, let's not.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Well. Thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays
• 32:19
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• 32:22
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• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally.