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From Global Health to Smart Business Strategies: Growth Mindset w/ Jennifer Cain Birkmose · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  Prayers for the memory of the dead God rest his soul.
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  It's It's sad to see right prospects die young because of
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  inadequate medical expertise or attention, but really it's.
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  It's easy to say if you have not met a human being that has gone
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  through that particular experience, but when you know a
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  human being that's gone through that experience, it heats up on
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  run for you. Back to what I've said from the
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  beginning, your body of work, the work you know, you guys do
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  in the health sector, you know public health, do not take it
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  for granted. I appreciate it very, very, very
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  much. First, they are leadership
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  philosophies, right? And of course you have that
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  academic background, right? And definitely it has an impact
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  on your leadership role in industry.
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  So yeah, how do you marry that which, which would I say
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  strategies to your adopt, which are philosophies to your adopt?
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  Yeah. So strategy, how do I use
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  strategy in my job and how does that, how does academia inspire
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  me? I think it's consistently having
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  a culture of learning. And I will challenge you, my
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  friend, to say that I think that, you know, we talked about
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  We are live. Ladies and gentlemen, you'll
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  once again welcome to the King James broadcast and Diary of a
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  CFO. And today I've got we'll meet a
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  very, very special guest fighting out of Basel,
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  Switzerland by way of the West Coast of the United States of
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  America. Big welcome.
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  Jennifer Kane, Burt Moss. Thank you for the invitation.
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  Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here.
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  Oh, wow. So I guess during the
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  introduction you were thinking, am I now a fighter now?
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  Yeah. Where do I fight out of what's
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  up? What kind of fights do I do?
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  Well, definitely everybody is a fighter in life.
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  If if you've seen a very many past episodes of this podcast,
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  I've had a lot of fighters. I've had boxing world champions,
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  I've had enemy champions on the show.
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  And you know, it's a bug with mindset, leadership and peace.
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  Less insights. So you are passing that.
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  There's multiple feathers on their heart.
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  And you are well deserving of an interesting intro.
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  So sit back, relax while I give you flowers while you are alive.
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  So today we have the privilege of welcoming an extraordinary
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  leader who's carriers pants the boardrooms of some of the
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  world's most influential health organisations to the vibrant
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  stage of improv committee. Jennifer Kane Burkmas is a
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  global health advocate, board member and Co founder of an
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  innovative health tech startup with over 2 decades of
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  experience transforming healthcare systems, advancing
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  patient access, and shaping policy at the highest levels.
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  From the World Bank and You HO to Johnson and Johnson Roche and
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  the Gates Foundation's Medicines for Mandaria venture, Jennifer
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  has built a legacy of impact driving change that touches
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  millions of lives. She's also a gifted storyteller,
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  a TEDx speaker, and a graduate of the Second City Conservatory,
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  proving that leadership can be as creative as it is strategic.
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  Get ready for an inspiring, entitle and yes, fun
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  conversation as we explore leadership, innovation, mindset,
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  and the power of laughter in building a better world.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, once again welcome Jennifer Kane Burke
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  Rose. You're welcome.
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  Wonderful. Thank you so the for the
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  beautiful, beautiful and warm introduction.
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  Thank you so much. Wow, you are welcome, and of
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  course you are always welcome. I believe very much in speaking
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  in the present tense instead of past tense.
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  That ease. I believe very much in giving
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  people their flowers while they are alive.
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  I am not one to only give you your flowers where you're gone,
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  because that's what most people do.
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  They wait till you die until they say great things about you,
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  appreciate your body of work. I'm not one of those people.
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  You know, people tend to be right.
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  I don't know why. As TNG with compliments and
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  appreciation. And I don't think that is the
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  right thing to do because good attitude, good behaviour, good
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  impact should actually be appreciated.
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  And yeah, you're very much appreciated.
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  So talking about how it all started, the origin before all
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  of your career evolutions, because it seems like you've
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  lived different lives. So I would say you are the
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  leaving example of the proverbial cats with night
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  lives. But it's just that you you seem
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  to have more than that night lives actually.
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  So you learn transformations at the World Bank, WHO, Johnson,
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  Johnson, Boucher and now health tech.
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  So looking back at the key moments, right?
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  What key moments actually define your career path?
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  So what key moments to find my career path would be moments
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  where I could do two things consistently.
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  One would be to serve a mission, which is a mission to support
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  people or patients truly find ways to have that big impact
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  where I can help people truly. And on that mission as I switch
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  from different, maybe working for different companies or even
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  different sectors, always holding that mission vision
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  close to my heart. The other career transition for
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  me would be or guiding light would be when could I learn
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  something? So I know that you're a passion.
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  I know you're passionate about learning as well and cheering,
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  right? You, you, you know what
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  something I did not tell you is that you involved in that bill
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  and then in the Gates Foundation work for Mandaria, right?
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  I was actually involved in the global foreign, ran for malaria
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  as well, and I was back in Nigeria.
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  What a small world that's so. Exciting.
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  What a. Small world.
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  We share that fashion. That's fantastic.
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  Yeah, so, so I've had about one time in, you know, the public
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  health work, but what a lot of people know me for is my time
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  with the week for accounting firms, you know, because that
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  I've had the longest span of my career, like, yeah, about 8
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  years, right. Yeah, with the public accounting
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  sector. But before that there was public
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  health and yeah, we did some work there and made some
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  impacts. And that's one of the reasons
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  why I'm not happy about the the new policy of quoting of the
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  USAIP grant because that grant actually did a lot of, you know,
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  it works for people, especially in yeah, vulnerable people in
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  the less developed economies. So I come from Nigeria, I'm
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  proud of my country. It's interesting and it's great
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  to see the impact that your work is actually done for my people,
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  right? It's it's all love and
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  appreciation. So it's a small world.
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  We know that we've at this point we've touched 500 million
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  patients with our malaria medicines.
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  Yeah. So it's it's.
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  As from the medicines, the the LLI and the log, the lasting
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  insecticides next that you guys also distribute is very
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  impactful. Yeah, medicine.
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  So it's all about, I mean, the the work of medicines for
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  Malaria venture, we discover, we research, we discover, we
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  research, we develop and then we have commercial partnerships to
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  make those products available in like treatment, chemo,
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  prevention, environmental control.
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  So exactly what you say, the bed Nets.
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  And we're constantly, constantly inspired by our researchers.
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  And when I say our researchers, I mean the people that are
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  inside the company, but also they, they work extensively,
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  especially across the continent with different researchers to do
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  open source discovery and also development together.
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  So we're very passionate about making sure that the science is
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  discovered on the continent, not only that the products go there
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  to treat patients because they need them.
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  Of course, we also want the capability of the science to be
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  there and also the manufacturing of the products to be there as
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  well. So we do a lot of these kind of
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  partnerships also now with the African Union and that, you
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  know, African Medicines Agency as it as it starts to take form,
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  do a lot of partnerships there. It's really important.
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  And what if again, what a great small world that we've both been
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  involved in, right? Yeah, what a small world.
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  But you know, something in addition I like I like to touch
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  on is the the programmes of works that you you partner with
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  a lot of when I say sub recipients of all your brands
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  for that is the outreaches, the educational programmes, the
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  seminars and workshops, right? They go a long way to make
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  impacts right people in educating them in order to lead
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  a better lifestyle. Because a lot of times these
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  health initiatives are not just a function of medicine, of
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  distribution of drugs, but almost so lifestyle changes are
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  required in order to lead a better life.
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  And you know, it speaks to a proverb that I would very, very
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  much tell you to my heart of the Chinese proverb, as he gives,
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  give a man a fish, he fed him for a day, but teach a man to
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  fish, he fed him for a lifetime. So it's interesting how you guys
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  give men fishes to eat for a day.
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  And of course, you also teach them to fish in order to have
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  them fed for a lifetime. Yeah, I mean to you're right.
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  It's, it's not only about the pill, but it's about the system
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  and it's about, you know, obviously treating patients who
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  are sick. And also especially in West
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  Africa, the work that we're doing around seasonal chemo
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  prevention is saving lives for children who are 5 and under.
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  And now we're even experimenting with children who are 10 and
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  under. But we know that if we are are
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  effectively dosing the, the medicines that we distribute, if
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  we dose them strategically in advance of the season of the
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  rainy season, we're going to protect those kids.
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  And it is. So it's, it's a, it's a system,
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  systemic environmental intervention that's saving kids
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  lives. I think it's also really
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  exciting to see the commitment of the organisation, not just to
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  children, which is important, it's also to women and to
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  specifically pregnant women. And many companies that develop
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  medicines don't like to treat. They don't like to include women
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  in their clinical trials because, you know, the for fear
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  of having a pregnancy and what if the medicine.
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  Sensitivity. Could affect, yeah, could affect
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  the unborn child. We actually, because the risk of
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  malaria is so much higher when a woman is pregnant, we've been
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  developing medicines for women who are pregnant.
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  Yeah, I love that. It means you're prioritising
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  vulnerability over sensitivity and that's that's the right way
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  to. 100% in fact, in June we launched a new medicine that is
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  for women who are under two months pregnant.
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  So right when you're learning that you're pregnant and you
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  discover you have malaria, you can be treated because that's
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  part of the most critical phase of infant development is there.
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  You know, they're developing all their bones, essential organs.
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  And we know that if they if those mothers are infected with
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  malaria at those times and they're really at risk of their
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  baby, that's these new medicines are really about protecting the
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  mom and protecting that unborn child as it's developing its
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  mother's womb. You don't know how our pathways
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  are interconnected until you sit down and have interesting
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  conversations like this. And the other thing is we always
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  estimate the power of one person's voice to have vision to
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  set the momentum in place for change.
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  So if that's set the momentum in place to create an agency like
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  this that actually has this massive global commitment for
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  babies, for children, for mothers, to prevent them from
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  dying or getting sick from malaria.
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  So the power of the individual to have vision, to gather
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  excitement, enthusiasm, and other people to put money behind
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  those initiatives. There's so much that can be
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  done. Voice.
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  Yeah, it's, it's very important to, you know, to, to, to have
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  the concern and OK, this, you know, it's crazy how much power,
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  you know, an individual has to, to make an impact.
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  And I also remember the teachers from Bible schools saying
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  something and say, when God gives you a vision, he will make
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  a provision. So if you have that vision
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  right, you should always go worry and trust, but to, to, to
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  make the provision. You know, you just talked about
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  how the how the power of an individual is amazing coming up
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  with a vision and, you know, showing up that enthusiasm, you
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  know, creating teams, teamwork makes a dream work, but it's
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  tattered with, you know, the vision of that one person.
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  But God had to make the provision of these other systems
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  and people and, you know, places and, you know, methods to come
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  up together to to make it happen.
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  And you know, God, or for whomever is listening, you know,
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  the God that unites us all is working through all of us in
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  their way. So it's not only just the
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  individual, but it's the inspiration that might even be
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  channelled through that which is divine that makes us all.
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  So we are, you know, these energies and powers work through
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  us in mysterious ways. What happen in in this world?
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  Wow, so nice. Lead up to becoming a Co founder
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  of Weaver Finley. I think this, this desire,
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  passion, vision for impacts in global health.
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  I'm not exactly sure the origin story.
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  It was always there. And some of it has to do with, I
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  think that because I grew up in a family where almost everyone
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  was involved in some form of either healthcare delivery or
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  patient advocacy, health policy, patient advocacy, We were all
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  involved or activism, really activism in the service of
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  others, in the service of the system, the community, the
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  patient themselves. And I think that from a very
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  young age, I was exposed to that and I was equally inspired and
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  continue to drive that red thread through my own life.
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  And so like I said, you know, you asked this beautiful
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  question, which is, you know, what are the things that drove
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  each of those career decisions that I had?
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  And I think the ability to drive that impact mission and also the
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  ability to learn. And I kept making those
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  decisions. Yes, no, yes, no to each of
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  those twists and turns of my own personal road and life journey.
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  And when I was given the opportunity to be a Co founder
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  of this company Viva Valet, which is a digital health
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  company that serves older adults.
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  For me it was absolutely a no brainer.
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  It was completely clear that I should do this.
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  Perhaps I was a little afraid and which made me think even
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  more, I should be doing this. But it was so consistent with
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  the mission of helping people who can't really help themselves
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  or need a little additional support.
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  And it was a chance for me to roll up all my experience, maybe
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  my, you know, hard earned scars and my wisdom through the work
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  and global health and find a way to apply those learnings into
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  helping older adults who are living at home and wish to live
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  at home independently. And finding ways to continue to
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  deliver services, both physical or digital, that can support
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  them so that they can live at home independently, with dignity
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  and with confidence. Well, I, I, I love that word.
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  Dignity. Nobody in life deserves to lose
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  their dignity regardless. And Gallus award ease that they
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  have done or hasn't done to them.
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  Nobody deserves to lose their dignity, but in a world of rigid
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  healthcare systems like, how do you balance policy expertise
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  with innovation to drive that real change?
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  Yeah, So I can even give an example of having worked in, you
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  come originally from Nigeria. I've spent time in, I've spent
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  time in Nigeria myself. I, I was there and I was working
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  with your Ministry of Health and your Ministry of Defence
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  supporting them in actually looking at health system policy
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  and helping them create plans to deliver what they wish to
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  deliver. Let me explain.
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  So he said it's, you're right because these things are a
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  little complicated, but let's make them very clear.
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  So when you say, you know, a healthcare system is complicated
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  and there's a lot of things that you need to do that's inside the
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  healthcare system and there's a lot of moving parts.
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  If you know, you know. What the outcome is, and so
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  often what I do is especially like when I spoke with your, you
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  know, deputy Minister of Health and I was working with other
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  members of the Ministry of Defence who were trying to
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  design the healthcare system for the, for the military.
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  I really had them think about what is it ultimately that they
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  want to achieve? Because often we think, how much
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  should we spend? How many doctors do we need?
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  How many hospitals do we need? How many clinics do we mean, how
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  many, how many, how many, how many, how many means, what are
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  the inputs that we're going to put in?
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  What's the investment we're going to make?
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  Well, we need to make investment.
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  But I think before you do that, you have to stop and say, where
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  do we want to go? Where's the destination?
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  And that destination could be, I'm making it up, making it up.
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  But it could be, for example, I want to reduce malaria by 50
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  percent. I want to reduce malaria deaths
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  by 80% of my country. Therefore I want to reduce
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  transmission by 50%. And I want you know that to
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  therefore have a 70% chance of reduce the chance of five year
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  olds and under dying from malaria, for example.
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  Or I wish to create a programme for patients with chronic
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  disease like diabetes to have an increase in testing, to have a
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  reduction in in disease or have a reduction in amputations,
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  which is often an unfortunate thing that is a part of a
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  patient that's not managed well who has diabetes.
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  So you look at ultimately what is the thing I want to achieve
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  and then you start to pull it back so in order.
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  For that reality to be true, that outcome to be true, we have
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  to start pulling it back. So that means that that patient
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  needed to receive the right urgent care at the right time.
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  They needed to receive the right treatment.
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  The malaria patient needed the right treatment within that
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  seven days of receiving their fever, right.
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  That means that we needed to get the diagnostic in place quickly.
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  We needed to have a clinic that was near them or we need to have
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  some way for them to have a diagnostic which even could be
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  remote. So what then?
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  We need to make sure that our patients understand these
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  things. So we need to either help with
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  literacy, help with education on the ground up, and we also need
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  to make diagnostic health seeking behaviour educational
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  information about how to seek and receive care in a way that's
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  accessible for everyone, language, culture, appropriate,
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  etcetera. We have to pull it all the way
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  back and then we say, all right, what are those things going to
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  cost? Then we can start investing in
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  the cost to run that programme for the diagnostics, the cost to
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  run the programme for the physicians and the nurses and
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  their and the Regional Health ministries and the remote
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  distribution of bed Nets and the remote distribution of of
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  treatments into these real clinics.
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  So we pull it back that way. So you're right, there's a lot
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  of moving parts. And I think always if we think
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  about what's the end stop on our train, we're taking a train for
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  health, what's the last stop on that road we're going to.
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  Then once we get there, we arrive there and we think where
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  do we get? How do, what do we have to do to
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  get there first? Yeah, you remind me of the MDGs
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  and SDGS, you know. Exactly.
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  Looking at certain toll goals and starting with the end in
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  mind quickly, what's would I say?
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  Medical goal, maybe it could be the SDGS, it could be the MDGs
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  or it could be some other like rightly right say normal global
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  medical goals have you seen or worked on and you are impressed
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  with the with the quality of work that was done to achieve
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  that particular goal. So that's actually not so long
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  ago I I worked with rare diseases.
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  And rare diseases are very special because very often it
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  means that they're rare, which means you don't have so many of
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  them in a population. As the name.
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  Implies, as the name implies, there's not so many people who
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  have that disease and so it's often very difficult to provide
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  access and treatment in a comprehensive way for people who
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  have that rare disease. I was involved in being a leader
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  in a international haemophilia consortium and we donated
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  product into that consortium. We were able to disseminate,
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  distribute and make accessible drugs to treat haemophilia.
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  Again, that's like 95% of those patients are men and usually
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  young men who are young boys, teenagers, early 20s.
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  We were really working hard to make sure that those kids could
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  survive into adulthood and that they could actually.
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  Yeah. So that was a programme in like
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  what, 35 different countries? And I actually got to go and do
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  work with the, the, the International Haemophilia
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  Federation in Kenya as well. So that was really inspiring
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  because it doesn't matter if you're a rich person, if you're
• 23:58
  a poor person, if you're educated, if you're not.
• 24:01
  Haemophilia doesn't know class. Or highly vulnerable.
• 24:05
  Like that's what's disturbing to me.
• 24:06
  Like if you get a cop like yes, it means your your life could
• 24:10
  end. Like how now I'm I'm curious
• 24:12
  like how do you support them? Like what is it that you do to
• 24:15
  help them? You know, is it lifestyle
• 24:18
  changes? And you know what it it can
• 24:21
  happen. Yeah, so, so a person and man is
• 24:26
  generally it's a male disease. They're born without a clotting
• 24:30
  factor, a factor 8. So you asked me about
• 24:33
  haemophilia. So and you're saying you know,
• 24:36
  it's it's a disease where person is born without a clotting
• 24:41
  factor factor 8 that allows them to have a blood clot if they
• 24:45
  have a cut like you said or if they have even a bum or bruise.
• 24:50
  So you're saying that someone could die because they might
• 24:53
  haemorrhage, they might eat out. That's very possible.
• 24:56
  The other thing that was really terrible special for these young
• 24:59
  boys is that their joints, you know, just because you're, you
• 25:03
  know, you're playing football, you're living an active life,
• 25:06
  you're a kid, you're playing. You may bump your elbow and your
• 25:10
  knee or your ankle. And that bump would with Someone
• 25:13
  Like You and me who have adequate factor 8 will it'll
• 25:17
  clot internally and it's no big deal.
• 25:19
  Maybe you get a bruise, but basically it's still healing
• 25:23
  those kids or those people. The blood will continue to fill
• 25:28
  into the joint and it could damage the joint.
• 25:31
  And so it could make moving very difficult and limit their
• 25:35
  ability to walk around. And So what I would visit with
• 25:38
  several of these kids in Kenya, many of them and had major
• 25:42
  attacks like this, where their joints were having lots of pain
• 25:45
  and they had to walk with a, they had to be carried or they
• 25:48
  had to walk with a stick. And So what we were doing in our
• 25:52
  programme is we were providing the medicines that helped them
• 25:56
  avoid having those major crises, so it would help them survive
• 26:01
  into adulthood so they can have a healthy life.
• 26:04
  And I think constantly what we see is that we have consistent
• 26:09
  evolution of innovation that brings new medicines to these
• 26:14
  patients that will help them live longer and live healthier
• 26:17
  and less painful. And so as as you, you know, help
• 26:20
  them survive into these older years already the technology
• 26:24
  jumps and jumps and jumps and is more heat stable and is more
• 26:28
  long acting and is really helping patients have a better
• 26:32
  life. So that we're very happy to have
• 26:34
  been a part of that in Africa. Well, I guess for the first time
• 26:42
  on this broadcast, I've had to share the tier because what are
• 26:46
  you talking about? Just reminded me of a traumatic
• 26:49
  experience. I had a friend in secondary
• 26:54
  school, God rest his soul. His name is Oriyami Atali and
• 27:00
  very, very brilliant individual. And he I don't know if he
• 27:04
  probably was suffering from team of India, but last I heard of
• 27:10
  him worse, he went to play football, sustained an injury
• 27:15
  and. I'm so sorry that you lost him,
• 27:17
  especially at such a young age. So an early life lost.
• 27:21
  And for you especially a friend who is clearly special for you
• 27:26
  that you lost so young. I'm so sorry that you
• 27:29
  experienced that and you lost him.
• 27:32
  It's really sad and trust me, this, this person was brilliant.
• 27:36
  Very, very fine. It's crazy.
• 27:41
  People used to think myself and him would end up becoming sports
• 27:45
  journalists. Of course we we'd love football
• 27:48
  so much. We love to analyse sports.
• 27:50
  I know. Can I call myself a journalist?
• 27:52
  Of course you have a podcast. You're officially a journalist.
• 27:55
  Yes. And then we can talk about
• 27:58
  sports, you and me, and then we'll talk.
• 28:00
  We'll officially, we'll both be sports journalists on your
• 28:02
  podcast today. OK, OK, yeah, let's bring the
• 28:06
  childhood dreams. 3 But prayers for the memory of the dead to
• 28:10
  address the soul. It's it's sad to see right
• 28:14
  prospects die young because of inadequate medical expertise or
• 28:20
  attention, but really it's, It's easy to say if you have not met
• 28:27
  a human being that has gone through that particular
• 28:31
  experience, but when you know a human being has gone through
• 28:35
  that experience, it heats up and run for you.
• 28:38
  Back to what I've said from the beginning, your body of work,
• 28:43
  the work, you know, you guys do in the health sector, you know,
• 28:48
  public health, I do not take it for granted.
• 28:51
  You know, I appreciate it very, very, very much.
• 28:54
  And the, the work is actually a function of leadership strategy
• 29:02
  to achieve impact. So from the boardroom to the
• 29:06
  classroom at Interior, you've actually influenced the leaders
• 29:10
  worldwide. So what core leadership
• 29:12
  principles do you believe translates, you know, across the
• 29:17
  industries that you've worked with Let.
• 29:21
  Me make sure I understand your question correctly.
• 29:23
  What are the things I'm teaching at the university that I learned
• 29:26
  from you from? Yes, a, a mix of both, right?
• 29:30
  That is we, we, we can add the leadership, right?
• 29:34
  But leadership comes with strategy, right?
• 29:38
  And of course there are leadership philosophies, right?
• 29:42
  And of course you have that academic background, right?
• 29:45
  And definitely it has an impact on your leadership role in
• 29:51
  industry. So how do you marry that?
• 29:54
  And which are which would I say, strategies to your dot?
• 29:58
  Which are few philosophies to your dot.
• 30:01
  Yeah. So strategy, how do I use
• 30:03
  strategy in my job and how does that, how does academia inspire
• 30:06
  me? I think it's consistently having
• 30:09
  a culture of learning. And I will challenge you, my
• 30:13
  friend, to say that I think that, you know, we talked about
• 30:17
  is it strategy as a leader? Are you, you know, do you own
• 30:20
  strategy? Yes.
• 30:21
  And even more, even on top of strategy, as a leader, you're
• 30:25
  owning culture. And so the culture, a culture,
• 30:29
  what we say eats strategy for breakfast, right.
• 30:33
  So as a leader, you have you're in charge of food.
• 30:35
  Yeah, it's true. So we.
• 30:38
  I'm going to compel my friends to watch to watch this episode,
• 30:42
  OK, because there is something I always say that is eat it
• 30:47
  something from. Breakfast culture is for
• 30:50
  breakfast. And you know, as a leader, you
• 30:54
  bring the weather in every room you enter.
• 30:58
  So does that mean are you, excuse me, you have a choice
• 31:03
  Every day as a leader, you can arrive sunny, you can arrive
• 31:08
  cloudy. You can arrive rainstorm.
• 31:11
  You can arrive a snowstorm. You can arrive lightning.
• 31:14
  You know, you choose what's the weather that you're bringing.
• 31:17
  And that's another kind of metaphor for what's the culture
• 31:20
  that you're going to create. Very often culture you don't.
• 31:25
  It's difficult to see and identify it because you're
• 31:29
  inside of it. So like a fish that's swimming
• 31:32
  inside of a fishbowl, does a fish know that it's swimming in
• 31:36
  water? Fish is probably unaware of the
• 31:39
  water it's swimming in. So it's like you and I were were
• 31:43
  immersed in our culture and culture would be things like the
• 31:47
  collection of the ways of working or the language that we
• 31:52
  use together, or the lexicon even that we use, or the rituals
• 31:57
  and habits that we have on a daily basis, or the symbols or
• 32:01
  symbols we use to identify who we are.
• 32:04
  Your lingo, Your Dragons. And our values, so those are all
• 32:08
  the collection of what makes up a culture.
• 32:10
  And then that once you have that culture and you are operating
• 32:14
  inside your culture linked to your mission and vision of where
• 32:17
  you're going, what's your North star of what you want to
• 32:19
  accomplish, then you connect your strategy to achieving that.
• 32:23
  And so I think as a leader, we're in charge of all of those
• 32:27
  things as founders, as C-Suite. And I think also truthfully,
• 32:33
  it's leadership in every moment because there are people who are
• 32:37
  appointed as a title leader. And I think actually leadership
• 32:42
  is something that's just that dispersed through everyone and
• 32:47
  that you have a moment to be a leader every single day, even if
• 32:51
  you don't have the title of leader.
• 32:52
  So maybe the leader with capital L, who's got the name leader in
• 32:56
  their title, They're in charge of driving a culture.
• 32:59
  They're in charge of driving a strategy which is towards that
• 33:02
  North star that they want to achieve.
• 33:04
  And everyone has a role to be a leader every given moment, to
• 33:08
  step up in the moment of requirement, to do the thing
• 33:11
  that is important and is to do the right thing.
• 33:15
  I like that, you know, for, for me, I, I really don't like
• 33:17
  titles, right? Because, yeah, leadership for me
• 33:20
  is more about leading by example, collaborative
• 33:24
  leadership. What's important is not the
• 33:29
  example of your power, but the power of the example, right?
• 33:32
  To think about it, if your example is powerful, people
• 33:37
  always take your example so you don't have to boss people
• 33:41
  around. And that's why influence breeds
• 33:45
  impact, right? I would argue that if you have
• 33:48
  to boss people around, you actually don't have power.
• 33:53
  Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, they are.
• 33:55
  Intimidating people and people in my, my history, you know who
• 34:00
  you are, you know who you are, right?
• 34:04
  If you acted like that in a room in front of me or my colleagues
• 34:08
  or in front of hundreds of people, you actually didn't have
• 34:12
  power at all. You are afraid and you are
• 34:16
  acting out of fear. And those are behaviours that
• 34:19
  were from your own fear inside, sadly.
• 34:22
  So I kind of want to, I kind of want to hold them and say you're
• 34:25
  OK, even though they might have done me dirty or done a whole
• 34:29
  bunch of people I know dirty, but they would stand in front of
• 34:32
  a room intimidating people. That's because they have a fear
• 34:36
  inside and so. Now you have earned you and by
• 34:40
  respect, I'll, I'll tell, I'll tell you something.
• 34:42
  You. You've.
• 34:43
  Earned it. You've earned it.
• 34:46
  I'll unlock. It well, thank you.
• 34:49
  And I have to say I'm not a woman of faith yet.
• 34:51
  I'm a woman who's extremely spiritual and I relate to this
• 34:54
  idea of the spirit that's channelling through all of us.
• 34:58
  And I, I, but I look to you as a man of faith and I, you know,
• 35:02
  from the scripts that you read and the text that you read and
• 35:06
  the practise and your, you know, culture of faith, you know, I do
• 35:09
  believe it's all about living with love.
• 35:11
  And so love your enemy, even if your enemy happens to be that
• 35:15
  really mean boss who made you cry before the meeting and made
• 35:17
  you stand up in front of everybody and pretend you aren't
• 35:19
  crying. Love them and forgive them
• 35:22
  because they're just afraid. Just love them and then know
• 35:27
  that you're going to keep going forward and doing the right
• 35:30
  thing. Yeah, you know something.
• 35:32
  But I, I always feel sorry for those kind of people.
• 35:35
  I pity you, right? Because I, I, I see this right
• 35:38
  in the real world. In the real world.
• 35:42
  There is something as I do believe in karma.
• 35:45
  I am the predator and you're the prey.
• 35:47
  I do believe in the. Real world.
• 35:49
  Even karma, and I've seen karma that those individuals, you know
• 35:56
  who you are you. Know you know that you can only
• 36:01
  make threats when when there's security there to save you.
• 36:06
  So I think the point is where you're you're going to pay,
• 36:09
  where do you pay? Do you pay upfront or do you pay
• 36:12
  afterwards? I think it might be more painful
• 36:14
  if you're paying afterwards because you're going to in the
• 36:18
  process of falling from grace. I think then that's that's when
• 36:24
  the the karma comes is yeah. And camera.
• 36:27
  Only from status. I think that's really, it is
• 36:30
  like if you've had that big job L with a, you know, leader with
• 36:33
  a capital L in your title, eventually your job is going to
• 36:38
  leave you. You might leave the job, but the
• 36:41
  job is also going to leave you. And those the status that you
• 36:45
  have in that role is also going to leave you.
• 36:48
  And you better get right with who you are inside, because if
• 36:51
  you're not, all those things that you never dealt with are
• 36:54
  coming back and. It's big time.
• 36:59
  And so for those people that I know, they're going to get their
• 37:02
  due, they're going to get their chance at dealing with all this
• 37:05
  reckoning. I love you, I forgive you, and
• 37:09
  you have your chance at experiencing your own pain.
• 37:12
  Yeah. Well, Speaking of breakfast, you
• 37:15
  know, there was a guy from some country, I'm not going to
• 37:19
  mention a country, and he was telling me, how do you know that
• 37:23
  I'm a gangster from this place? I'm like, OK, interesting.
• 37:28
  It's a country in Europe. I told him, hey, bro, I've been
• 37:32
  to your country. I've been to the capital of that
• 37:34
  country and I I know, I know the gangsters from there, right?
• 37:39
  You can't trust me. But have you been to my country?
• 37:42
  He said no. Like you've been to Lagos,
• 37:45
  right? Yeah, I told me.
• 37:47
  I told you something. Do you know what we do in Lagos?
• 37:51
  In Lagos, Nigeria? We eat gangsters for breakfast.
• 37:54
  You can ask Jennifer. She's been there.
• 37:59
  Yes they do. In Lagos, we eat gangsters with
• 38:03
  the. Side of okra soup I've seen it
• 38:06
  I'm. Telling you.
• 38:07
  With the side of okra soup and maybe a plate full of garden
• 38:11
  slug, it's a. Thing be careful.
• 38:16
  Be careful. All the cool kids in Legos are
• 38:19
  having that for breakfast, so. I'm telling you like, OK, don't
• 38:24
  play. Don't play with the people that
• 38:26
  are represented by this flag. Never, Never.
• 38:29
  No, I agree. I agree.
• 38:31
  It's never a good idea. It's never a good idea.
• 38:34
  It's we only end in tears. Yes.
• 38:38
  This is nice. You're having a good time here,
• 38:40
  right? Oh wow, I, I wish I had this
• 38:42
  side of Aqua soup. You know, it's it's it's, it's
• 38:44
  delicious. So.
• 38:46
  I will I I have to confess I did eat it on several occasions.
• 38:50
  Oh wow, So what? What was your best food today?
• 38:52
  I don't enjoy it. You don't enjoy Aqua soup?
• 38:55
  No, I have. I, I, I I have to be very
• 38:57
  honest. Yeah, I love the honesty.
• 38:59
  I didn't try I. Didn't it wasn't just I tasted
• 39:02
  it once I had I had many bowls because I I love.
• 39:05
  I think that's part of what's the exciting part about visiting
• 39:08
  other cultures is. Is did you try the seafood
• 39:10
  option? Seafood okra?
• 39:12
  What? What did you try?
• 39:13
  The seafood okra? No, I only had just the good old
• 39:18
  so fried okra. Give it to me day and night.
• 39:20
  I can't get enough of it. Fried, fried okra, yes, please,
• 39:24
  I'll eat it right now. Okra soup again, I had multiple
• 39:27
  bowls of it and multiple days and multiple meals thinking, oh,
• 39:30
  well, maybe it was just this restaurant that I didn't like or
• 39:32
  maybe at this place I didn't like.
• 39:34
  It wasn't my preference because the way that the consistency,
• 39:39
  the way that it. You know.
• 39:41
  Taste is OK, but it's the way that it's kind of gelatinous.
• 39:46
  Yeah. Jelly or slime It's kind of a
• 39:49
  slime. I mean you know, it's kind of a
• 39:51
  slimy soup, so I didn't love it, but what I did enjoy, I really
• 39:56
  enjoyed having the slugs. I thought it was great like I
• 39:59
  had a whole plate, many plates of slugs.
• 40:01
  I lot thought they were fantastic and please help me
• 40:05
  remind me. I think it's I want the white
• 40:11
  like porridge that's dry that you serve.
• 40:13
  That's. Oh, pounded yam.
• 40:18
  Yes. Oh God, yes.
• 40:20
  I. Literally eat.
• 40:22
  I could eat that every single day.
• 40:24
  It was slow. The pounded yam.
• 40:25
  That is a dope. Oh, I could have eaten that and
• 40:28
  I still could. Like, I could eat that today.
• 40:30
  I wouldn't. Like, I would have ordered that
• 40:32
  right now. I was so good.
• 40:35
  Yeah. I have a doctor friend of mine
• 40:37
  and you know, like what? Two other food, one beer.
• 40:40
  And he was like, oh man, I don't want to eat pounded yam.
• 40:43
  It's got so much, so much calories.
• 40:45
  It's going to make me feel heavy.
• 40:47
  So for a minute, tell me, I'm just going to order it.
• 40:51
  It's it's good, it tastes nice. It's.
• 40:53
  Yeah, the taste is bad. It's like.
• 40:55
  Comfort food, it's in the American South, we have foods
• 40:58
  that we call comfort food, which are all about like the potatoes
• 41:01
  with the fried foods. So the pounded yam is like
• 41:05
  Nigerian comfort food. Like I would imagine it's the
• 41:08
  thing that like, Mom, please make me pounded yam because I'm
• 41:12
  gonna feel loved. I'm gonna feel I'm gonna feel
• 41:15
  cared for by you and I'm gonna feel cosy.
• 41:18
  So give me that food. Like that's, that's the food.
• 41:22
  It's good. Did you try jollof rice?
• 41:25
  Which? Jollof Rice.
• 41:28
  I may have, I don't recall. The rice that is.
• 41:32
  Yeah, it's red. It's just like, yeah.
• 41:35
  Oh yes, Oh my gosh, yes, so good.
• 41:40
  Like every everybody likes that one.
• 41:42
  Good. I wonder why they would only
• 41:43
  give you awkward soup. But how about ecosy?
• 41:46
  Did you ever try something called ecosy?
• 41:48
  It's like yellow with like green leaves.
• 41:51
  It's a. Soup.
• 41:52
  Yeah, Yes. The yellow one, that one, it has
• 41:57
  a good consistency. It's yeah, the texture is yeah.
• 42:00
  I really like that too. I could eat a lot of that.
• 42:02
  The grape veggies like. Super.
• 42:04
  Yup, yeah, yeah, yeah. Veggies.
• 42:06
  And then there's another one that called an FRB row.
• 42:09
  That one is just, yeah, green veggies.
• 42:11
  It's pretty much a mixture of vegetables.
• 42:14
  And it can be quite hot. A lot of the things are spicy.
• 42:18
  So like, how do you cope with the spice?
• 42:21
  You just have a piece of bread nearby and you smile really
• 42:26
  large. Really something I brought back
• 42:30
  was the dried meat that was super spiced.
• 42:33
  Like so good, so good. I need to have some.
• 42:39
  Right now I have some. Have a bite, Have a bite, and if
• 42:45
  you're me, have a little piece of bread nearby that you can
• 42:48
  dampen the pain. But have a bite and enjoy some.
• 42:51
  Bread. Have some bread.
• 42:54
  Just be ready. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Show me the package. Hold it up.
• 42:58
  Let's see it. Yeah.
• 43:02
  Is that? Wait, hold it up again.
• 43:04
  Is that package blue? Is that package?
• 43:07
  Yes, it is something blue. It's wrapped in.
• 43:11
  Something blue. Yeah, that's so good.
• 43:15
  That's so good. This is what are you talking
• 43:17
  about. That's exactly what I'm talking.
• 43:19
  About I'm sorry, I'm going to send you some sweet alert.
• 43:22
  Yeah, yeah. You speak about a friend that
• 43:28
  you lost. And again, I'm sorry that you
• 43:29
  lost your dear friend when you were so young.
• 43:33
  And I lost a dear friend two years ago and he teased me about
• 43:38
  okra soup. He teased me about eating it.
• 43:41
  He just was so absolutely disgusted by the description
• 43:45
  that I gave of him. I gave him of that.
• 43:48
  And so when you brought that meat out, I think I remember
• 43:51
  trying that meat and giving him some.
• 43:52
  When I came back from my dear, he did not appreciate it at all.
• 43:56
  My this dear friend of mine died two years ago and he always
• 43:59
  sends me little messages in the colour blue.
• 44:03
  So for example, this book called Solve for Happy would be a book
• 44:05
  you would have loved. He shows up to me in the colour
• 44:08
  blue. And you when you pulled out the
• 44:10
  packaging and it was blue, I said, Oh my gosh, this is my
• 44:13
  friend giving me, you know, winking at me, winking at me and
• 44:18
  laughing. This is him saying a little
• 44:21
  message of I'm here. So thank you for visiting.
• 44:25
  Thank you for visiting our wonderful podcast.
• 44:27
  And you're right, Soup miss. I hope you're having open
• 44:31
  heaven, my dear friend. Probably.
• 44:34
  Yeah, hopefully, hopefully so hopefully so, you know, it's
• 44:39
  interesting and life how like certain moments like give you
• 44:44
  certain memories. But it's good to be open.
• 44:48
  And yeah, some people think being open is you've been
• 44:51
  vulnerable, but yeah, you're all human beings.
• 44:53
  Yeah, you're allowed to be vulnerable.
• 44:56
  Yeah, last time I checked, you know, we're not machines, so.
• 45:00
  Yeah, exactly. We are, we are emotional animals
• 45:05
  or animals driven by emotion. This, this dear friend of mine
• 45:08
  was also a neurosurgeon and like a brain surgeon for real life
• 45:13
  brain surgeon and the neuroscientist and he would say
• 45:16
  the brain is the only organ in our body that if my brain is
• 45:19
  sick, like if, if I, if my liver is sick, your liver won't be
• 45:23
  sick, but if my brain is sick, your, your brain could get sick
• 45:27
  too. And so this idea of the
• 45:29
  connectedness we have between people and the vulnerability
• 45:32
  that we have that could actually create vulnerability in other
• 45:35
  people. Or like we talked about earlier,
• 45:38
  leadership culture. I can bring improve the culture.
• 45:43
  Any given day. I can be a leader even without
• 45:46
  capital. Li could be a leader.
• 45:48
  I can be as someone who spreads joy and brings the weather as
• 45:52
  well. Mm, hmm.
• 45:54
  Guess what? Speaking of neurosurgeons, this
• 45:59
  is August, right? Yes.
• 46:02
  I think on September 1, we have a neurosurgeon from Stanford
• 46:10
  University that's scheduled to be on this broadcast.
• 46:14
  Okay. Well.
• 46:16
  Congratulations, that's so exciting.
• 46:18
  I can't wait to listen to that episode.
• 46:21
  Definitely. I'll let you do as soon as it's
• 46:22
  out. Yeah.
• 46:23
  So yeah, yeah, good luck to you. We have that apartment.
• 46:27
  Well, I mean, thank you so. Much for having to have yourself
• 46:30
  interconnected. Yeah, everything.
• 46:33
  Everything is connected. Nothing is accidental.
• 46:36
  Everything is by design and interconnected.
• 46:39
  So I'm so grateful that you have me on your show.
• 46:40
  So thank you so much and thank you for making me very envious
• 46:44
  about your little snack. Let's go.
• 46:47
  Very envious. Very envious, Very envious.
• 46:51
  You need to receive that Jerry again.
• 46:52
  Yeah, it will happen. I'm absolutely certain it will
• 46:56
  happen. There's no question it will.
• 46:57
  So yeah. But OK, my next question right
• 47:02
  now is, have you ever faced A relapse situation wherein your
• 47:08
  strategy is faced with resistance and how do you use
• 47:13
  collaboration or perhaps some improv to turn it around?
• 47:17
  Yeah. I mean, strategy is only as good
• 47:22
  as, you know, the people that built it and the people who can
• 47:26
  implement it. So you might have the most
• 47:28
  perfect strategy and you realise when it gets to implementation,
• 47:32
  you don't have the numbers, you don't have the resources, you
• 47:35
  don't have the capability. You know, you just when I say
• 47:38
  numbers, I mean numbers of people or the people who know
• 47:40
  how to do it. Look at what I have on my back.
• 47:44
  Push through. Yeah, yeah, there you go.
• 47:47
  Exactly. So there's some pain.
• 47:49
  There might be some. Everyone read the the words
• 47:51
  behind. So it could be that they're all
• 47:54
  those things in your team are not capable or it could be all
• 47:56
  the circumstances that drove the strategy have changed.
• 48:00
  And so I think every decision we make, we can only hope to make
• 48:03
  the best decision with the data that's in front of us, so that
• 48:06
  we can only make the best strategy with the data that
• 48:09
  informs it. And when that data changes, so
• 48:12
  when the circumstances change about the thing that they are,
• 48:16
  the thing that's outside of you, that you're trying to get or
• 48:19
  grow, etcetera, you got to change your strategy.
• 48:22
  And if you realise you've got the wrong people, then you need
• 48:24
  to fix the people, fix change, etcetera.
• 48:27
  And so the world of improv is very useful in that improv like
• 48:32
  business, same thing. We're both creating something
• 48:35
  from nothing always. So you develop a strategy in
• 48:39
  business, you develop a business itself, you develop a show.
• 48:43
  When you're doing a show in improv, entertaining someone,
• 48:47
  you get it. You start with nothing.
• 48:48
  So you get the suggestions, you gather data from the audience,
• 48:52
  you gather data from the market, whatever.
• 48:54
  And then you create something new.
• 48:56
  And in order to be able to be creating effectively and then
• 49:00
  making the thing, you have to be hyper connected with each other.
• 49:05
  In order to be hyper connected, you have to trust each other,
• 49:08
  you have to listen. And as an individual, you have
• 49:11
  to be hyper focused and you have to listen so and you say yes.
• 49:16
  And so you keep building everything as you go.
• 49:20
  So I think they're 100% interconnected.
• 49:23
  I have been running a comedy school here in Basel for the
• 49:26
  last four years and we perform on a, on a monthly or more than
• 49:31
  more than more often than monthly basis.
• 49:34
  And we're often coaching senior executives like yourself, like
• 49:37
  that, your listeners on how to use these tools of improv comedy
• 49:42
  and the tools of theatre improv, improvisational theatre to make
• 49:47
  something new. So it could be new business
• 49:49
  model, It could be how to have better executive presence.
• 49:53
  It could be fighting imposter syndrome, which makes you feel
• 49:56
  so unsure or afraid. Like we could talk about those
• 50:00
  people before who are yelling at people in front of large groups
• 50:03
  of large audiences. So these are things that can
• 50:07
  fundamentally support you in your leadership journey.
• 50:11
  So I'm so grateful to be doing that because it's it's fun.
• 50:14
  It's first of all, it's fun. It's just a heightened way to
• 50:18
  live, really. I, I, I love the fact that you
• 50:22
  talk about impulsive syndrome, right?
• 50:24
  And when you look at the Kingdom's podcast, it's all
• 50:27
  about #1 world's mindset. Yes to leadership. #3 yes.
• 50:33
  Inside mindset is very, very important to me.
• 50:37
  It's at the heart of the the body of work that I have put
• 50:41
  together. Mindset also influences your
• 50:44
  storytelling, improves about storytelling.
• 50:48
  Yes, you do. Basically a storytelling, but
• 50:51
  not just storytelling. Storytelling to create an
• 50:55
  impact. Yes.
• 50:57
  That's what's set to your power. But what?
• 51:00
  What would you say generally people need to do in terms of
• 51:05
  their mindset to adopt A growth mindset so that they can succeed
• 51:10
  at anything that they do in their lives, whether it's a
• 51:13
  business or sports, whatever it is that you do, Yeah.
• 51:19
  So I'm going to use the rules of improv to because I'm going to
• 51:23
  rely on that as my toolbox that I used to have my own growth
• 51:27
  mindset and that I often teach the growth mindset.
• 51:31
  There's not a lot. There's four of them.
• 51:34
  So rule #1 yes. And so yes means you say yes.
• 51:39
  It doesn't mean that agree. It means sometimes in the world
• 51:44
  of business, yes, I heard you. And I'm going to keep building.
• 51:48
  So keep using yes and don't use yes.
• 51:51
  But I'm sure you've been in lots of rooms where people say, yes,
• 51:55
  this is a great strategy. But right, we all know someone
• 51:58
  who's done that and it kills your collaboration, it kills the
• 52:01
  energy, etcetera. So rather say yes.
• 52:04
  And, and you can keep that, that mood light, you can keep the
• 52:08
  creation going. So that's part of the yes.
• 52:12
  And mindset is part of the growth mindset #2 listen 2 ears,
• 52:16
  one mouth, right? So listen for a reason.
• 52:22
  I tell people there are four language skills speaking, at
• 52:25
  least in reading, writing. Yeah.
• 52:27
  So say yes and listen with all of your ears.
• 52:31
  Serve. So don't be a diva.
• 52:34
  Serve other people. So as a leader especially,
• 52:37
  you're there to get the best out of your people.
• 52:40
  And it's you as the the glory that you have is rather
• 52:44
  irrelevant. You need to get stuff done
• 52:46
  through other people. So therefore you need to lift
• 52:48
  them and serve them. So lift them to their highest
• 52:51
  potential. Lift them, grow them, teach
• 52:54
  them. Know that without your team, you
• 52:58
  are nothing. So continue to serve as a
• 53:02
  leader. And then the last one is accept
• 53:04
  that you will fail and actually push yourself into situations
• 53:08
  where you can fail and fail with joy and know that you're going
• 53:13
  to fail and you're going to just keep building.
• 53:15
  When you fail, you realise one of the 99 things that that won't
• 53:20
  work. So now you've got, you know,
• 53:23
  you've got 100 tries. You get a failure for the 1st 30
• 53:27
  times. My gosh, you still have 7
• 53:29
  possible 70. Fail and fail fast.
• 53:33
  Fail fast. Get.
• 53:34
  Get up. Take yourself up.
• 53:36
  Dust yourself off. Keep going.
• 53:39
  Yeah, I love that a lot. And yeah, everybody who knows me
• 53:42
  knows that's what the life I am about.
• 53:45
  I'm never afraid to feel like I won't be the first person to
• 53:48
  feel or something. I'm not going to be the last
• 53:50
  person. So why am I sad?
• 53:52
  But each other is people who succeed at things that people
• 53:55
  who are good at many other things.
• 53:58
  Yeah, absolutely. As a clean slate.
• 54:01
  Yeah, but you got it, right. You got it.
• 54:03
  You got the four things. You got it.
• 54:05
  Go for it. Wow, it's been really, really
• 54:09
  great, you know, having you today.
• 54:11
  I've had a lot of fun and you know you, you are an inspiration
• 54:15
  to the younger generation. When we look at the show, we
• 54:19
  look at the demographics from the back end.
• 54:22
  On Spotify, majority of people who listen to this show or what
• 54:27
  to show are millennials between the ages of 28 to 44.
• 54:34
  The form about 75% of the listenership of this show.
• 54:40
  So you are speaking to young professionals, young
• 54:45
  entrepreneurs and you are making an impact in, you know, the
• 54:50
  lives of the people that are shaping the next generation.
• 54:54
  So it's it's a very big technology.
• 54:56
  I won't let you leave without, you know, you being a big sister
• 55:00
  to, you know, the aspiring young women out there.
• 55:05
  So what's your, your, would I say your advice right to young
• 55:11
  professionals, especially the females, right, who aspire to be
• 55:14
  in leadership roles, you know, in business?
• 55:18
  Yeah, I, I think the four things I said before, Yes.
• 55:22
  And listen, serve and fail, fail with joy and fail fast.
• 55:26
  That applies to you ladies as well.
• 55:28
  Now the other thing I'm going to say, gentlemen, look your ears
• 55:32
  now, ladies, girls, let's talk. The most important decision that
• 55:38
  you're going to make for the future of your career is who you
• 55:41
  decide to have as a life partner.
• 55:44
  Whether that is a charming man, a charming woman, a charming
• 55:49
  they, whichever, whichever whomever you're going to be
• 55:53
  partnering with the he, she, they, them.
• 55:57
  That decision you're making is the most important decision that
• 56:00
  you're making. And I don't mean that from like
• 56:02
  a sentimental, oh, how sweet. It's that that person is going
• 56:06
  to influence possibly where you live, how you live, if you have
• 56:11
  children together, the future of your genetic code that's being
• 56:14
  passed on. And also whether you're going to
• 56:17
  have help when you are having children and whether you're
• 56:20
  having a career. You need that person to be your
• 56:23
  Co pilot and your person who celebrates you and every
• 56:27
  decision you're making if you're if you're young.
• 56:29
  Microsoft is going to be happy with you Co pilot.
• 56:33
  Go by. Microsoft Co.
• 56:36
  Pilot this episode. Guys, guys, you, you need the
• 56:40
  president. It's going to be your GPT.
• 56:42
  Co pilot. But really, ladies, it's really
• 56:45
  important to find someone who's going to support you because
• 56:49
  you've you're here, you're listening, you're building your
• 56:52
  career, you're building your empire, you've educated
• 56:54
  yourself. Keep learning.
• 56:55
  Don't stop and know that the people that you surround
• 56:59
  yourself with, likely a romantic partner, will influence so much
• 57:03
  that you end up the opportunities you have in your
• 57:06
  life. So go get it.
• 57:08
  Choose well, choose wisely, and not that you shouldn't choose,
• 57:11
  choose for sure, but choose wisely and know that that person
• 57:15
  needs to be able to support you and all those decisions you can
• 57:18
  to go be the master of your life and master of your business.
• 57:21
  That's a good advice. In that case, quick fire around.
• 57:24
  I'm going to put you through the Pacific Ring of Fire at tell me
• 57:28
  the first thing that comes to your mind. 5 questions in one
• 57:30
  unit. SO1 book every leader should
• 57:33
  read What one book? One book that every leader
• 57:36
  should read. Emotional Business by Ravi Rao.
• 57:42
  OK. Emotional Business by Ravi Rao.
• 57:46
  Nice voice, the best advice you ever received in your career.
• 57:49
  Going. Keep going.
• 57:54
  Give up, just keep going. Keep going.
• 57:57
  Consistency is I. Think over the different over
• 57:59
  the different phases or seasons of my career.
• 58:02
  I think there's different advice that I received that helped me
• 58:05
  keep going. And I think it's really trust
• 58:09
  yourself like you are, you're, you're making all this up,
• 58:13
  you're driving all this. You are the creator of your life
• 58:16
  and trust that inner voice that you have.
• 58:19
  And I think often in my own life and many people I know, they
• 58:22
  didn't trust that inner voice. So trust, trust that inner voice
• 58:26
  because that's your intuition telling you what's good for you
• 58:28
  and what's bad for you. So trust that inner voice and go
• 58:33
  with it. Tea or something stronger?
• 58:36
  Coffee. OK, right now it's 8:00 at
• 58:39
  night. I am dreaming, and I'm not
• 58:41
  kidding. I'm dreaming of my coffee
• 58:43
  tomorrow morning because there's nothing.
• 58:46
  I love coffee. I could drink it all day, and if
• 58:49
  I the experience of the first coffee in the morning, double
• 58:54
  shot espresso, maybe with a little bit of coconut cream,
• 58:57
  pretty good. That experience of the taste,
• 59:01
  the texture, the feeling, the experience, the jolt from that
• 59:04
  first coffee. I wish I could be like that all
• 59:07
  day. I see.
• 59:10
  Say no more. I see.
• 59:12
  Let's. Dreaming about literally, you're
• 59:13
  not making one have a coffee right now because now then I
• 59:15
  won't sleep. But I want, I want, I want
• 59:17
  tomorrow morning's coffee right now.
• 59:21
  OK, so if you could have a coffee date with any three
• 59:25
  people, dead or alive, who would?
• 59:27
  Those people. Be any three people.
• 59:30
  Oprah Winfrey. Miss Oprah.
• 59:32
  Please Miss Oprah. She is like my North Star.
• 59:37
  I've had Oprah. Winfrey on this one.
• 59:40
  And I mean, really, I rehearsed the day that we're going to
• 59:42
  meet. I'm always like, Oprah, come on.
• 59:45
  It's a joke between you and me. No, Oprah, I know.
• 59:47
  Thank you so much. Thank you, Oprah.
• 59:50
  I know. But it's between you and me.
• 59:53
  I know, GAIL. I know.
• 59:54
  It's it's funny. But Oprah.
• 59:56
  Yes. So I rehearsed for the day we're
• 59:58
  meeting and we're friends. So Oprah, please.
• 1:00:01
  And then I'm going to say I mentioned when we were starting,
• 1:00:05
  I really love musical theatre. I really, really love musical
• 1:00:09
  theatre. And I would love to meet with
• 1:00:11
  Oprah and Lin Manuel Miranda, who is a playwright in America.
• 1:00:16
  He's from the, he's from Puerto and he no, so it's a Dominican.
• 1:00:21
  He's anyway from the Caribbean and he has written some of the
• 1:00:24
  most influential theatre pieces this Millennium, which are just
• 1:00:30
  great pieces of art. And they because of his pieces
• 1:00:33
  of art, he has inspired people to learn history in a new and
• 1:00:37
  different way and look at our current life through a lens of
• 1:00:41
  history that's unique for today. So I would love to sit down and
• 1:00:46
  talk to him and get his creative process and get his mission and
• 1:00:50
  vision. Would love that.
• 1:00:53
  And then I think the last one would probably be our dear
• 1:01:00
  brother Nelson Mandela. Truly.
• 1:01:04
  A long walk to freedom. As a leader, as a, as an
• 1:01:08
  activist, as a leader, as a man of God who is able to endure all
• 1:01:15
  he did he and watch his people, his colleagues, his community
• 1:01:21
  crumble and still have the fortitude to forgive and to turn
• 1:01:26
  a turn, a moment of which could have been potentially
• 1:01:30
  bitterness, anger, retribution into forgiveness, love and
• 1:01:33
  leadership. I would love to talk to him
• 1:01:35
  about that journey and just to be in his presence.
• 1:01:39
  There are people who have met him.
• 1:01:41
  I never got a chance to meet. I met Kofi Annan, who had that
• 1:01:44
  kind of vibe you've got. Kofi Annan.
• 1:01:49
  I met Kofi Annan and. He has something interesting.
• 1:01:52
  He's really, he had that vibe of like he's, he's a good person.
• 1:01:56
  So I understand that people who met Nelson Mandela had that
• 1:01:59
  feeling like you were in the presence of someone who truly
• 1:02:02
  was channelling love in a way that you could never, never not
• 1:02:07
  experience. I would, I would love to talk to
• 1:02:10
  him. Wow.
• 1:02:11
  Yeah, he passed. OK.
• 1:02:14
  The interesting stuff I'm going to confirm to you is that both
• 1:02:17
  Ian and Attisha, the same birthday with me, he was born
• 1:02:22
  April 8th, 1938 and I was born April 8th, 1992.
• 1:02:30
  So you're in the presence of greatness.
• 1:02:34
  So it's a passing of the bottom. And was certainly in the
• 1:02:40
  presence of greatness. That's fantastic.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah, wow. Yeah, have some like
• 1:02:45
  interesting, but they made Kofi Annan.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah, April 8. That's who you would be with.
• 1:02:51
  That's who you have a coffee with.
• 1:02:56
  Who you? Have a coffee I I need I need to
• 1:02:58
  find a a number of April 8 guys to have coffee with baby Robert
• 1:03:03
  Kiyosaki coffee Aden and I'll find one more OK myself myself
• 1:03:08
  that's threes 3. Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  That's three 2 is a company, 3 is a crowd.
• 1:03:14
  There you go, there you go. 4 is complicated, so 3 is better.
• 1:03:20
  That's complicated. OK, what's one word that sums up
• 1:03:23
  your life philosophy? Joy, joy.
• 1:03:30
  OK, I love that. Yeah, joy is.
• 1:03:34
  It's very important because joy is different from happiness.
• 1:03:36
  Joy is actually deep. Well, a lot of people tend to,
• 1:03:40
  would I say, mistake joy for happiness.
• 1:03:44
  They're two different things. Joy.
• 1:03:46
  Joy is deep. It's would I say it's more long
• 1:03:52
  lived or happiness is more short lived?
• 1:03:54
  Yeah, yeah, I love that bro. So now let me keep the joy.
• 1:04:03
  But you. Keep the joy, maybe.
• 1:04:04
  Maybe the happiness, the happiness is going out the
• 1:04:07
  window because it's it's the end of the show.
• 1:04:10
  But for me, it's love and respect to you, of course.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah, this has been a great time.
• 1:04:18
  Great impacts, great conversations, great
• 1:04:20
  connections. And you know, guys, guys out
• 1:04:26
  there, do the needful like, share comments, subscribe.
• 1:04:31
  And of course, I will keep working tirelessly to bring in
• 1:04:35
  great individuals like Jennifer Kane.
• 1:04:43
  And of course, if you don't, if you don't share it, if you're
• 1:04:47
  going to see me in your dreams and I'm going to break your nose
• 1:04:50
  like a birth mouse. Now I'm very afraid.
• 1:04:58
  Thank you very. Much you putting me on your
• 1:05:00
  show, I'm so grateful. It was a wonderful conversation
• 1:05:02
  do. You have anybody would have a
• 1:05:03
  shout to give a shout out to you.
• 1:05:06
  Anyone I want to give a shout out to?
• 1:05:08
  Yeah, I just think in the spirit of the older people we serve, we
• 1:05:13
  are here every day. We love serving you and it is
• 1:05:16
  just a delight to know that we make your life a little better
• 1:05:19
  every single day. OK, so love and respect to you,
• 1:05:24
  the audience and of course keep going for something in your
• 1:05:26
  life. Always go for something in your
• 1:05:28
  life. Conceive, believe, strive to
• 1:05:32
  thrive and go achieve. Bless you guys.
• 1:05:35
  For me it says goodbye. And of course, from Jennifer, it
• 1:05:38
  is good night.