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Canada's Carney Sucks Up to Europe to Troll Trump · The Alex Marlow Show

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Speaker 1: going on in the news i mean you've been a
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Speaker 1: newsman for a long time but is that always been
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Speaker 1: a distinguishing characteristic you've.
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Speaker 2: Got more something i learned when i was um was
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Speaker 2: in tv in radio i didn't you know i didn't
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Speaker 2: start i started out as a reporter not a host
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Speaker 2: but i've you know since hosted a radio show uh
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Speaker 2: i like where i am now you know i write
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Speaker 2: what i want for the and I get to opine
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Speaker 2: on absolutely everything. And so just, yeah, sitting here pondering
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Speaker 2: Mark Carney's weird pronouncements at the European Union Parliament this morning.
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Speaker 2: That's my day today.
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Speaker 1: So I got three big topics for you. They're all
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Speaker 1: going to be interrelated. But the first one, why don't
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Speaker 1: we do this? So Canada joining the EU, sort of,
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Speaker 1: which we've never seen this sort of a arrangement where
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Speaker 1: they would be a....
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Speaker 2: They're calling it an ancillary country or something. Associate member.
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Speaker 1: Associate member, which is unprecedented. This is new, so we've
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Speaker 1: not done this before. And what we know about this
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Speaker 1: scenario is that very little. Very little is known about
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Speaker 1: what the arraignment would look like. And we pay close
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Speaker 1: attention to Europe.
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Speaker 2: We have a London bureau. We have a Rome bureau.
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Speaker 1: We have other bureaus in Europe. And not every EU
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Speaker 1: nation wants this. They don't all love this idea. And
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Speaker 1: it just seems very much like yet another FU to
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Speaker 1: Trump in America because Carney's got this sort of Euro
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Speaker 1: and China-centric worldview and not America-centric worldview.
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Speaker 2: But first of all, what do we know about the specifics?
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Speaker 2: You might know better than I do.
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Speaker 1: And second of all, what do you make of this
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Speaker 1: in terms of just sort of grand gestures in the
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Speaker 1: diplomatic stage?
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Speaker 2: Well, like the guy that heads up your London bureau,
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Speaker 2: Simon Kent, who used to work with me here in Toronto,
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Speaker 2: I am a Euroskeptic, 100% a Euroskeptic. Fully supported Brexit.
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Speaker 2: My parents immigrated to Canada from Scotland, so part of
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Speaker 2: the UK. I watched what was going on with the EU,
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Speaker 2: so I'm very concerned about this. And I know we'll
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Speaker 2: talk about the trade talks and the deal that fell
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Speaker 2: apart between Canada and the US in a bit, but
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons Mark Carney said he had to
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Speaker 2: walk away was the US wanted to control our sovereignty.
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Speaker 2: There is no way to get a deeper trade deal
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Speaker 2: with the European Union without giving up massive amounts of sovereignty.
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Speaker 2: We already have a free trade deal with the EU.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Harper, the great former Conservative Prime Minister of Canada,
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Speaker 2: negotiated this deal back in 2014. And, you know, these
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Speaker 2: things take a long time to be implemented. I think USMCA,
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Speaker 2: we finished negotiations in 2018. It was implemented in 2020.
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Speaker 2: It takes a while to get to the point where
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Speaker 2: everything's fully implemented. So Harper negotiates it. It's implemented under
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Speaker 2: Trudeau shortly after he becomes our prime minister in the
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Speaker 2: late lost decade that we had with him. But 10
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Speaker 2: out of 27 European countries have not ratified the deal
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Speaker 2: and fully implemented it because they have an issue with
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Speaker 2: our dairy and agricultural policies. Where have I heard that before?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the US, the UK, and everyone that we
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Speaker 2: do trade with. So how do we get deeper than that?
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Speaker 2: There are actually examples of this. Four countries have a
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Speaker 2: deeper deal. Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. They're not part
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Speaker 2: of the EU, but they have huge EU access. What
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Speaker 2: they all have to do? Well, Norway now implements two
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Speaker 2: thirds of European Union legislation, but they don't get a
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Speaker 2: vote on it. They have no say. The European Union
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Speaker 2: sets their product standards, their food safety standards, their environmental standards,
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Speaker 2: sets their corporate law. And I keep saying to Canadians,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have to do this if we go
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Speaker 2: in that direction. And I'll be honest, some of the
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Speaker 2: changes to EU laws and regulations might be better than
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Speaker 2: what we've got. Some of them will definitely be worse
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Speaker 2: than what we've got. But you know what they won't be?
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Speaker 2: Decided by us. We'll be giving up massive amounts of
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Speaker 2: sovereignty in order to get this. Now, they have released
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Speaker 2: very few details. We're going to have a summit in
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Speaker 2: Montreal at the end of October. Ursula von der Leyen's
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Speaker 2: going to come over. A bunch of EU officials are
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Speaker 2: going to come over. They're going to hobnob in Montreal.
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Speaker 2: Great city if you haven't been. I've lived there. Great
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Speaker 2: place to visit. Don't live there.
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Speaker 1: One of my front page editors, Josh Kaplan, lives there.
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Speaker 1: He thinks about leaving, but he can't do it. He's
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Speaker 1: a very America-centric guy, but he's just, I like it.
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Speaker 2: Montrealers, they're a weird breed. I just moved there for
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Speaker 2: two years to work for a bit, but the ones
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Speaker 2: born and raised there, it's like, you know your city's
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Speaker 2: falling apart. Yeah, but I can't leave. Yeah. I'm a Californian.
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Speaker 1: So this is the, this is, this is you. We're
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Speaker 1: speaking the same language on this one. So this is a,
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Speaker 1: it's such a great summary already. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you can hear me typing. I was typing out
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Speaker 1: notes only for my own personal benefit. It's already on
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Speaker 1: the show. It's not like I'm going to turn it
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Speaker 1: into additional show content. It's happening now, but I'm just
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Speaker 1: typing it out because it just does feel like that's
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Speaker 1: the correct analogy.
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Speaker 2: So then the question just becomes why, what's the point? Well,
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Speaker 2: During his news conference, Prime Minister Carney kept saying that
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Speaker 2: this is not in reaction to anything, that it's not
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Speaker 2: a response to what's happening between Canada and the United States.
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Speaker 2: But then all through his speech, he kept taking shots,
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Speaker 2: veiled shots, at President Trump at the United States. You know,
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Speaker 2: at one point he said, I'll tell you what this
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Speaker 2: will not be. We're not going to try and be
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Speaker 2: a third super bloc Meaning, you know, to counter the U.S.
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Speaker 2: and China. Not trying to do that. We don't want
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Speaker 2: to become a third superpower, but with better manners. And
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Speaker 2: then he laughs and all the EU claps. Manners. We
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Speaker 2: love manners. So it is definitely in reaction to the U.S.
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Speaker 2: My view, Alex, is we've been too reliant on you guys.
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Speaker 2: We should be expanding our trade. We should be expanding
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Speaker 2: our trade with the EU for sure. We've only gone from,
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Speaker 2: in Canadian dollars, about $ 22 billion a decade ago to
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Speaker 2: about $ 40 billion Canadian. That's so about $ 19 billion to
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Speaker 2: $ 31 billion U.S. dollars in a decade with a free
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Speaker 2: trade deal. That's impressive, but once you account for inflation,
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Speaker 2: that shrinks dramatically. And our trade with the U.S. in
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Speaker 2: that time has just gone up even bigger at a
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Speaker 2: much larger scale. So we should be doing more trade
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Speaker 2: with the EU. We should be doing more trade with India.
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Speaker 2: We should get a free trade deal with India. The U.S.
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Speaker 2: wants one. It's the largest democracy on the world. It's
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Speaker 2: far better to deal with them than China. But instead, it's,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I don't believe in trying to replace
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Speaker 2: what we do with the United States. I believe in
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Speaker 2: trying to expand. And Mark Carney seems to be trying
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Speaker 2: to replace. He wants to take on the hegemon, as
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Speaker 2: he calls it. He loves big names. And some people
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Speaker 2: know what hegemon is, and some people like me, the
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Speaker 2: first time I heard it, are going to have to
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Speaker 2: go look it up. Carney is running in opposition to
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump at all times because it helps his polling numbers.
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Speaker 2: And look, I want us to be a prosperous country.
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Speaker 2: I want us to be a free and sovereign country. But,
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Speaker 2: you know, the EU is not the answer to that,
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Speaker 2: not the way that they operate with everyone else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is another pattern I see with the Trump-deranged
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Speaker 1: side of the American media. And again, we talked about
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Speaker 1: this briefly on your show about how it doesn't even
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Speaker 1: seem like on a personal level Carney and Trump don't
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Speaker 1: get along.
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Speaker 2: It seems like a political calculation.
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Speaker 1: But people really fail to understand some amazing lessons of
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. One of these lessons of Trump is that
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Speaker 1: he does not really judge your past. He wants to
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Speaker 1: work with you going forward if you can be reasonable.
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Speaker 1: That explains his entire Middle East policy and his South
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Speaker 1: American policy, which is that a lot of these countries
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Speaker 1: that have not been. traditionally good to work with, he
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Speaker 1: basically said, well, I don't care about that. Let's see,
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Speaker 1: can they be good to work with now? And then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get countries like Qatar, which
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Speaker 1: was a bad guy 10 years ago and is now
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Speaker 1: largely helpful in sending us Air Force One today.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's not perfect. It's Islamist country.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I'm a Qatar stan, but I'm
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Speaker 1: saying that like huge, huge differentiation over the last 10 years.
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Speaker 2: And it's all because Trump is sort of open-minded.
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Speaker 1: Like if you want to come to the table and
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Speaker 1: work with me, then I'm down for that. And Carney's
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Speaker 1: kind of taking a different approach here, which is that
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Speaker 1: instead of thinking, well, I don't like Trump that much. So, well,
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Speaker 1: let's work with him anyway, because that's the reality. It's like, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to push against him, just apply resistance, because
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Speaker 1: I feel like that is going to satisfy the people
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Speaker 1: who are voting for me, but it might not make
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Speaker 1: the country better.
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Speaker 2: Look, President Trump has been trash-talking Canada and Mark Carney.
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Speaker 2: four weeks now since these talks fell apart. He does that.
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Speaker 2: And every time he's in a bad mood with Canada,
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Speaker 2: he goes on True Social and he'll say outrageous things
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Speaker 2: or he posts memes like the one of him knocking
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Speaker 2: down Carney. They're both in hockey uniforms and he's knocked
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Speaker 2: Carney down to the ice and he's saying, get up, governor.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of Canadians get insulted by that. I'm
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Speaker 2: just like, well, that's who Trump is. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: like you take your family members that annoy you and
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, you still love them and you still
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Speaker 2: got to deal with them at Thanksgiving dinner. So you
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Speaker 2: move on. But a lot of Canadians get really angry
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Speaker 2: about that. I know that if Carney showed up tomorrow
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Speaker 2: and said, you know what, let's get back to the
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Speaker 2: table and have a real conversation and strike a better
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Speaker 2: deal for both countries. Trump would be like, yeah, Mark
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Speaker 2: Carney's a great guy. I love Mark Carney. I've always
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Speaker 2: loved Mark Carney. That's the way he is. And what
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Speaker 2: I wonder, Brian, is why doesn't he know this? Well,
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Speaker 2: he does know this, but he has whipped up the
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Speaker 2: Canadian public into such a frenzy. You know, his theme,
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Speaker 2: elbows up, him and Mike Myers from Austin Powers fame
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Speaker 2: doing ads using the hockey analogy, elbows up. They whip
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Speaker 2: the public into a frenzy. And I was writing about
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Speaker 2: this last week at the Toronto Sun is how does
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Speaker 2: Carney sell a deal if and when he gets one?
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Speaker 2: Because we went to, you know, after the trade talks,
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Speaker 2: his polling numbers went up. He's polling it. We have
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Speaker 2: a multi-party system, not a two-party system. And he's polling
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Speaker 2: at 49%. In much of the country, he's above 50%.
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Speaker 2: With voters 55 plus, he's at 60%. what does he
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Speaker 2: do with that? He turns around and tells these people
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Speaker 2: that he's led down the garden path. Oh no. Like
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Speaker 2: there's a deal to be had. We were very close
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Speaker 2: on a deal. Yeah. There was one main issue that
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Speaker 2: it all fell apart over and he added all these
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Speaker 2: others and added drama and it helped him politically. Look,
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Speaker 2: the president is using this politically as well. You look
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Speaker 2: at the messaging going out in Ohio, in Michigan, in,
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Speaker 2: What's the messaging from the Trump campaign and the people
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Speaker 2: he's endorsing like Mike Rogers in Michigan? Donald Trump is
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Speaker 2: standing up for you and your jobs with these tariffs.
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Speaker 2: These tariffs are helping protect your job. Canada's trying to
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Speaker 2: steal your job in the auto sector. That's not true.
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Speaker 2: I would argue it is true with Mexico, but you
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Speaker 2: look at the history. I mean, you ever want to
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Speaker 2: know how close the Canadian and U.S. auto industries were?
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Speaker 2: It was a Canadian that helped William Durant found General
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Speaker 2: Motors in 1908, I think it was, and a decade
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Speaker 2: later helped him get back control of it with money
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Speaker 2: sent down from Canada for him to take it over
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Speaker 2: after the board had kicked him out. It is a
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Speaker 2: fully integrated industry between Canada and the US. Mexico, we
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Speaker 2: never should have let in and after the way we did.
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Speaker 2: That was a mistake of Clinton and Jean Chrétien. But
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Speaker 2: we are an integrated economy. but it's Trump's leaning into
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Speaker 2: it because he thinks it'll help him in the midterms.
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Speaker 2: Carney's leaning into this fight because it helps him politically.
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Speaker 2: Politicians are going to politic. You don't blame them for
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Speaker 2: it because you don't blame the Scorpion for staining you.
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Speaker 2: It's what they do. Yeah, totally right. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So this is, I want to spend a second here
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Speaker 1: on the trade situation. I have a million questions for
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Speaker 1: you on this, Brian, just your interpretation of it but
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Speaker 1: i might get all of them but i am curious
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on why and again i asked you of
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Speaker 1: this in your own show which is so fun uh
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Speaker 1: that i i do that to people just as a
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Speaker 1: someone who does more interviews than i give um but
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Speaker 1: their own trade minister said your own trade minister said
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Speaker 1: the deal was really close this was august 20th the
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Speaker 1: next day carney pulls the rug and says we're going
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Speaker 1: home do we know specifically what changed.
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Speaker 2: It it all comes down to autos And so, as
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Speaker 2: I said, we have an integrated auto industry, and we've
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Speaker 2: had a 25% tariff on Canadian vehicles heading to the U.S.
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Speaker 2: for the last year and a bit. And we wanted
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Speaker 2: to get that lower. We know that it's not going
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Speaker 2: to go to zero tariffs the way it was under Kuzma.
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Speaker 2: That's just not reality. But the way that it's structured,
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Speaker 2: if we could get it to a 15% tariff on
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Speaker 2: Canadian assembled vehicles, And then you get the discounts for
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Speaker 2: American parts that are in there, which is about 50%
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Speaker 2: of Canadian assembled vehicles are American parts. The parts go
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Speaker 2: back and forth. The number is eight times in the
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Speaker 2: Great Lakes Basin before the car is fully put together.
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Speaker 2: It's just the integrated nature. And so if we could
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Speaker 2: get it down to 15 with the discounts, it becomes
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Speaker 2: about seven, seven and a half percent. Both sides can
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Speaker 2: live with that. The negotiations start out verbally. And each
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Speaker 2: side at the end said, oh, no, you asked for
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Speaker 2: last-minute changes. You asked for last-minute changes. Speaking to people
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Speaker 2: across the industry, both sides of government, here's how I
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Speaker 2: believe it went, and people have told me when I've
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Speaker 2: written this that it's accurate. Starts out verbally, we'd like
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Speaker 2: the auto tariffs lowered. The American side says, yeah, we're
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Speaker 2: willing to do that. Then they get to the written text.
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Speaker 2: And at a certain point, the Canadian side sees that
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Speaker 2: light-duty trucks and cars are are at the 15%, but
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Speaker 2: medium and heavy duty trucks are at 25%. And they say, well,
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Speaker 2: that's not what we agreed to. The Americans say, yes,
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Speaker 2: it is. Those are different categories of vehicles. They get
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Speaker 2: into a fight. That's what broke it down. The reason
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Speaker 2: it's so important to Canada to do that is our
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Speaker 2: GM plant in Oshawa, which is like 120 years old.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's been updated, but it's been around that long.
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Speaker 2: They make Chevy Silverados. They're about to start making the
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Speaker 2: GMC Sierra. the Ford plant in Oakville, Ontario, is in
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Speaker 2: the middle of a multi-billion dollar retooling to make the
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Speaker 2: Ford F-350, 450, 550. These are medium and heavy duty
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Speaker 2: trucks that you're going to find on construction sites in
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Speaker 2: small town Canada and America, hockey rink parking lots. These
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Speaker 2: are big trucks. Both the GM and Ford CEO in
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Speaker 2: Detroit called the White House and said, we need you
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Speaker 2: to do this. And They wouldn't move. Now, they say
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Speaker 2: it's a different category. They've got a national security concern
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Speaker 2: around this. That's what broke the talks up, was they
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Speaker 2: couldn't come to an agreement on that. There was no
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Speaker 2: animosity in the room, no throwing papers, no banging on desks,
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Speaker 2: calling each other names. It was just, okay, we can't
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Speaker 2: do this. The next day, Mark Carney goes before the
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Speaker 2: TV cameras and declares, we're at war. And up the rhetoric,
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Speaker 2: as I said, for political reasons. And he added in
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Speaker 2: saying that they wanted to control the French language. that
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Speaker 2: they wanted to control our sovereignty. There were questions raised
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Speaker 2: about streaming platforms like Netflix being able to profile and
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Speaker 2: make French-language content more discoverable. That was it. On sovereignty,
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Speaker 2: my understanding was you can't sign a free trade deal
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Speaker 2: with China and stay in this. Considering what we want
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Speaker 2: on steel and aluminum, that makes sense. You want one
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Speaker 2: single market on steel and aluminum, we can't be bringing
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Speaker 2: in steal from China, which we did for many years.
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Speaker 2: So that's what blew up the talks. Carney added on
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Speaker 2: extra stuff to make it palatable politically. And then, as
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Speaker 2: I said, they've all been playing politics with it. Our
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Speaker 2: premier here in Ontario, Doug Ford, he's playing lots of
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Speaker 2: politics with it. Everyone's using this fight for their advantage.
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Speaker 2: And regular people working in these plants are going to
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Speaker 2: get hurt. A couple of quick follow-ups on this.
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Speaker 1: The China dumping steel in Canada, that's a big sensitivity
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Speaker 1: with us, particularly the Trump administration. It doesn't feel like
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Speaker 1: it gets a lot of spins in terms of the
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Speaker 1: media conversation.
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Speaker 2: Is that does that come up up there up north
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Speaker 2: in the media there? No, most of our media put
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Speaker 2: on Team Canada hockey jersey and cheer for the team.
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Speaker 2: They don't ask critical questions, and you saw that with
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Speaker 2: Carney's news conference in Brussels. If he was conservative, he'd
19:08
Speaker 2: be getting much more critical questions like, why can't you
19:11
Speaker 2: deal with the Americans? Why are you incompetent? But he's
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Speaker 2: a liberal, and our media, like your media, tends to
19:19
Speaker 2: lean big L left. So this wasn't This was an
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Speaker 2: issue in Trump's first administration. They call it transshipment, where
19:28
Speaker 2: you ship the steel to China or the Chinese steel
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Speaker 2: to Mexico or Canada. We refabricate it a little bit,
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Speaker 2: claim it's a North American product and sell it to
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Speaker 2: you guys. And it's really cheap. And so it displaces
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Speaker 2: American steel. Our steel industry complains about this to our
19:45
Speaker 2: own government and says, you've got to stop it. And
19:48
Speaker 2: they don't. And why? I have... not been able to
19:50
Speaker 2: figure that out. But our media, they don't talk about it.
19:53
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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Speaker 1: The other one that I am curious about is some
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Speaker 1: of the cultural stuff in Canada is we're just way
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Speaker 1: off the same page on this. I know I volunteer
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Speaker 1: this again on your show, but I wanted to share
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Speaker 1: with my audiences. I'm just looking at the replacement rate,
20:07
Speaker 1: which is 2.1% for steel.
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Speaker 2: Live births. Canada is at 1.25%, the lowest in the West.
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Speaker 1: I think there's something like 5% of people who are
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Speaker 1: dying now in Canada are dying from euthanasia. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: a lot of this is concentrated at the very end
20:21
Speaker 1: of your life, but it still is not a good
20:23
Speaker 1: look for, you know, Americans, Judeo-Christian country, generally pro-life people
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Speaker 1: by and large, with huge exceptions. But overall, some of
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Speaker 1: the cultural stuff, it just makes me feel like we're
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Speaker 1: just not on the same page the way I feel
20:37
Speaker 1: like I had in the past.
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Speaker 2: Is that a sentiment you share? Is this coming out
20:43
Speaker 2: of nowhere? What's your take here? We had a decade
20:46
Speaker 2: of a government that encouraged the woke insanity, and it
20:52
Speaker 2: has abated a little bit. The Carney government doesn't cheer
20:55
Speaker 2: it on, but it doesn't exactly stop it. on things
20:59
Speaker 2: like medical assistance and dying, euthanasia, essentially. I've interviewed veterans
21:03
Speaker 2: who have called up our Department of Veterans Affairs and
21:06
Speaker 2: been like, hey, I need some help. And they're like, well,
21:08
Speaker 2: have you considered MAID? Well, no, I'm not looking to
21:12
Speaker 2: end my life. I need some help. Is there a program?
21:15
Speaker 2: We don't have anything for you today. Have you considered dying?
21:19
Speaker 2: People have gone in for all kinds of conditions and
21:22
Speaker 2: the doctors just offer them medical assistance and dying. It is...
21:27
Speaker 2: We have surpassed any European country in how permissive we
21:31
Speaker 2: are on this. We're putting the brakes on it a
21:34
Speaker 2: little bit after a huge outcry. The public is not
21:37
Speaker 2: on board with this. There's a big disconnect between our
21:39
Speaker 2: elites and the public, especially on that issue. And on
21:44
Speaker 2: a lot of the other cultural issues, it's a problem.
21:47
Speaker 2: Birth rate, look, I've done my part, but it's difficult
21:52
Speaker 2: to convince the rest of the country. We've got an
21:55
Speaker 2: affordability problem and I don't blame young people. It's really
21:58
Speaker 2: hard for them. You know, the average price of a
22:01
Speaker 2: home in Toronto is a million dollars right now. You
22:04
Speaker 2: know what I could get in Dallas for that? I
22:06
Speaker 2: could be living in luxury instead of a starter home
22:09
Speaker 2: or a nice condo. And how do you do that?
22:14
Speaker 2: Our incomes are lower. Cost of our housing is higher.
22:17
Speaker 2: Our taxes are higher. And young people are looking and saying,
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Speaker 2: how do I start a family? I can barely look
22:23
Speaker 2: after myself.
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Speaker 1: It is a reality and it's worth exploring in greater
22:27
Speaker 1: detail at a later date. I was just reading a
22:30
Speaker 1: study yesterday which said, the key to having a big
22:33
Speaker 1: family is you need to make basically at least a
22:36
Speaker 1: quarter million dollars a year as a family. And the
22:38
Speaker 1: dad needs to be flexible to be able to be
22:40
Speaker 1: home a.
22:41
Speaker 2: Lot of the time. And so it's like, it's just,
22:43
Speaker 2: that's just not a big cry. This is in the West.
22:46
Speaker 1: It's a, in the third world is different. The Muslim
22:47
Speaker 1: world is different, but that's the Western countries. That's the issue.
22:51
Speaker 1: And it's just not that common. You're just speaking to
22:53
Speaker 1: a very small cross section of the population. That's going
22:56
Speaker 1: to have both of those things.
22:57
Speaker 2: And that's dark.
22:58
Speaker 1: It's just dark because we got to find a way
23:00
Speaker 1: around that. And, We're spending almost zero time talking about
23:04
Speaker 1: anything like that, and that's really an existential issue. Brian,
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Speaker 1: of course, when I bring up a super serious topic,
23:10
Speaker 1: I have to say that I got to go run
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Speaker 1: and do the live show, but it's always a blast
23:13
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Remind everyone of where they can
23:15
Speaker 1: follow your stuff.
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23:23
Speaker 1: I learn so much when you're on, and everything Brian
23:25
Speaker 1: does is fantastic, and he's been a true veteran of
23:28
Speaker 1: the game.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Brian. See you, my friend. Talk soon.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.