Latest / Brian Thomas / Ken Kober - Federal Gun Prosecutions UP 250%
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- 0:00Speaker 1: KRC the talk station happy Tuesday to you and welcome
- 0:05Speaker 1: back to the 55 KRC morning show representing the Cincinnati
- 0:07Speaker 1: Police Department the president of the union FOP president Ken
- 0:10Speaker 1: Kober welcome back Ken it's always a pleasure having you
- 0:12Speaker 1: on the 55 KRC.
- 0:13Speaker 2: Morning show good morning Brian thanks for having.
- 0:16Speaker 1: Me and thank God for federal prosecutors right absolutely Well,
- 0:22Speaker 1: it was reported, WCPO gives Stephen Nobile credit for it,
- 0:25Speaker 1: but it's widely known that the federal prosecutors locally have
- 0:28Speaker 1: gotten involved in prosecuting gun possession cases. Federal prosecutors, they
- 0:33Speaker 1: say prosecutions for gun cases in Cincinnati increased 250% in
- 0:38Speaker 1: the last fiscal year. U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern
- 0:42Speaker 1: District of Ohio, run by U.S. Attorney Dominic Garaci, It says, well,
- 0:47Speaker 1: he said the increase reflects a greater focus on prosecuting
- 0:49Speaker 1: gun cases, but does not translate into an increase in
- 0:52Speaker 1: gun violence. Violence and prosecutions, death, homicide, and prosecutions, two
- 0:58Speaker 1: completely separate categories. So let's focus on the gun cases.
- 1:01Speaker 1: Why do you think the U.S. Attorney General felt it
- 1:04Speaker 1: necessary to start prosecuting gun cases here in the greater
- 1:08Speaker 1: Cincinnati area, Ken Kober?
- 1:11Speaker 2: Oh, you know, in a sense. It would have been
- 1:13Speaker 2: probably about a year and a half ago with the
- 1:15Speaker 2: county prosecutor, sheriff, police chief, Senator Moreno came into town.
- 1:20Speaker 2: And one of the things we're talking about is how
- 1:21Speaker 2: do we get a handle on gun violence? And Donovan said, look,
- 1:25Speaker 2: it's simple. Prosecute these cases. If there are constraints that
- 1:30Speaker 2: keep the county prosecutor's office from doing it, then I'll
- 1:34Speaker 2: step in and do it. And the reality is these
- 1:36Speaker 2: bad guys... They don't care about doing state time, most
- 1:40Speaker 2: of them. But what they do fear is doing federal time.
- 1:44Speaker 2: When they get federally convicted and they get a 15-year
- 1:48Speaker 2: sentence for simply just carrying a gun that they shouldn't have,
- 1:51Speaker 2: where in Hamilton County you get probation, it's going to
- 1:54Speaker 2: make a difference, especially when they sentence them to 15
- 1:57Speaker 2: years and they end up in Arizona, the other side
- 1:59Speaker 2: of the country. It makes it very uncomfortable, which is
- 2:02Speaker 2: a great deterrent.
- 2:03Speaker 1: That is. You know, I was not aware that we
- 2:05Speaker 1: shipped our federal criminals out of state there, Ken Coburn. So, yeah,
- 2:09Speaker 1: they don't get any visits from family members. Yeah.
- 2:12Speaker 2: Yeah. It makes it just makes it more uncomfortable. So
- 2:14Speaker 2: I love what they're doing. It is certainly going to
- 2:18Speaker 2: have an impact on violence when they realize that the
- 2:22Speaker 2: federal prosecutors here in this region are not messing around.
- 2:25Speaker 2: And if you commit gun violence, you carry a gun
- 2:27Speaker 2: and you're prohibited from doing it. you're likely going to
- 2:30Speaker 2: spend the better part of the next decade in prison,
- 2:33Speaker 2: which is exactly where they should be.
- 2:35Speaker 1: Well, clearly you're hoping the word gets out. I guess
- 2:37Speaker 1: I'm wondering, have you, the police department, since the police
- 2:40Speaker 1: department noticed any change in the number of people carrying
- 2:43Speaker 1: weapons around out there or has word yet to get out?
- 2:46Speaker 1: Because according to Gracie, they've already charged 63 defendants in
- 2:50Speaker 1: federal crimes during this fiscal year. It was only 18 previously.
- 2:54Speaker 1: So a lot of people getting prosecuted now.
- 2:57Speaker 2: Absolutely. And what they do is they're taking the worst
- 3:00Speaker 2: of the worst. They're taking the people that are driving violence,
- 3:04Speaker 2: the ones that are selling guns to people that shouldn't
- 3:07Speaker 2: have them. And those are the ones that they're targeting.
- 3:10Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the first time offender or somebody that
- 3:15Speaker 2: shouldn't have a gun and they were carrying it anyway.
- 3:17Speaker 2: They're taking people that are that are really, really driving
- 3:20Speaker 2: violence in this region. And it is going to make
- 3:23Speaker 2: a difference. And whether or not there's a direct correlation
- 3:26Speaker 2: between our homicide rate being lower this year and that,
- 3:29Speaker 2: I think time's going to tell. But I hope he
- 3:30Speaker 2: keeps his foot on the gas because long term it's
- 3:33Speaker 2: going to make a real difference.
- 3:34Speaker 1: Well, of course it is because the recidivists are the
- 3:36Speaker 1: biggest problem. I mean, they continue doing it over and
- 3:38Speaker 1: over again. They never have learned a lesson, I guess,
- 3:40Speaker 1: because we're too soft on crime in Hamilton County. But
- 3:43Speaker 1: federal prison, big boy prison, that may have a ripple effect. Now,
- 3:47Speaker 1: insofar as homicides being down, because the city keeps saying
- 3:50Speaker 1: over and over again, well, homicides are down, homicides are down,
- 3:52Speaker 1: and I guess statistically maybe it bears it out, 25%
- 3:55Speaker 1: down citywide year-to-date, according to the Cincinnati officials. They claim,
- 4:00Speaker 1: and here's the question I have to ask you because
- 4:02Speaker 1: it's reported, they credit the declines in homicides to Act
- 4:07Speaker 1: for Cincy, which is described as a strategy combining police
- 4:10Speaker 1: efforts with community partnerships, neighborhood investments, and other public safety initiatives.
- 4:15Speaker 1: Do you know whether or not that statement is accurate?
- 4:17Speaker 1: Because that's what was reported by WCPO. Act for Cincy.
- 4:22Speaker 2: I don't really buy it. I know that organization is
- 4:25Speaker 2: extremely anti-police.
- 4:26Speaker 1: So it kind of.
- 4:27Speaker 2: Flies in the face of rationale when you say, oh,
- 4:31Speaker 2: we're working with the police. Because that is the exact
- 4:34Speaker 2: opposite of what this organization strives to do.
- 4:37Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, I guess... Kind of curious
- 4:41Speaker 1: to know about morale after the election, considering it was
- 4:44Speaker 1: like the repeated cast of characters and all the good
- 4:47Speaker 1: judges in Hamilton County apparently voted off the bench in
- 4:49Speaker 1: favor of these more liberal judges. FOP President Ken Cobra,
- 4:53Speaker 1: I want to hold you over. I want to ask
- 4:54Speaker 1: you about morale in the Cincinnati Police Department and maybe
- 4:57Speaker 1: get your reaction to what's going on with Chief Washington
- 5:00Speaker 1: as it relates to the current status of Police Chief Fiji.
- 5:04Speaker 1: What is going on with her and how is that
- 5:05Speaker 1: impacting the Cincinnati Police Department? It's 635 right now, 55KRC,
- 5:08Speaker 1: the talk station. Good morning, Dr. Fred Pack. He's my...
- 5:12Speaker 1: Beep Talk Station. 639-55-KRC-D Talk Station. Ryan Thomas with FOP
- 5:17Speaker 1: President Ken Kober representing the Cincinnati Police Department. God bless
- 5:20Speaker 1: each and every one of them doing the hardest work
- 5:22Speaker 1: out there day to day. Ken Kober, real quick here.
- 5:25Speaker 1: We know that the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern
- 5:27Speaker 1: District of Ohio, federal big boy, they're going after people
- 5:31Speaker 1: carrying guns. We talked about this in the last segment.
- 5:33Speaker 1: Do you know whether any of the Gracie prosecutions involve
- 5:37Speaker 1: juveniles being tried as adults? Because we all know Judge
- 5:40Speaker 1: Bloom doesn't even bother letting the world know that some
- 5:42Speaker 1: of these juveniles are packing heat and have been picked
- 5:46Speaker 1: up with guns at multiple times. Any idea about that?
- 5:48Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any juveniles that are being prosecuted federally,
- 5:53Speaker 2: primarily because the laws typically prohibit that. And like I said,
- 5:58Speaker 2: most of these, these, uh, targets that they're going after
- 6:02Speaker 2: are people that have lived a life of violent crime.
- 6:05Speaker 2: They're not typically like the first or second time offenders. Okay.
- 6:09Speaker 1: And that makes sense, going after the worst of the
- 6:11Speaker 1: worst first, and then you can move down the ladder
- 6:13Speaker 1: to the rest of the offenders.
- 6:14Speaker 2: All right.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Now, I know the city is crowing about the homicide
- 6:17Speaker 1: rates down 25% year to date. My question to you is, Ken,
- 6:24Speaker 1: is there any shot spotter statistics out there? Do we
- 6:27Speaker 1: know how many gunshots have been recorded Are the number
- 6:30Speaker 1: of gunshots recorded lower this year than last year? Do
- 6:34Speaker 1: you know anything about that? Because it seems to me
- 6:36Speaker 1: that a lot of people are running around squeezing off rounds,
- 6:39Speaker 1: maybe hitting someone, but not rendering them, you know, it's
- 6:42Speaker 1: not a fatal gunshot wound. They end up at UC
- 6:45Speaker 1: Medical Center, they're sewed back together, and they're back out.
- 6:48Speaker 1: So what's the story on ShotSpotter?
- 6:51Speaker 2: I think if you asked a typical beat officer that
- 6:54Speaker 2: responds to these things on a daily basis, there hasn't
- 6:56Speaker 2: been much change. I mean, thankfully, being down 25% is
- 7:01Speaker 2: something to be thankful for, but that could just as
- 7:06Speaker 2: easily be up 25% if these bullets are actually hitting
- 7:09Speaker 2: intended targets and doing fatal damage.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Yeah, without question. I mean, it's heartbreaking to find out
- 7:14Speaker 1: that people are so used to hearing gunfire that they
- 7:16Speaker 1: don't even pay any attention to it anymore. So I just.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Just really heartbreaking. Anyhow, heartbreaking also, my understanding of the
- 7:24Speaker 1: morale of the Cincinnati Police Department. You're down a huge
- 7:26Speaker 1: number of officers. I understand that a lot of officers
- 7:29Speaker 1: aren't even bothering to go through the entire drop program,
- 7:32Speaker 1: just moving on to secure other employment or just quit
- 7:34Speaker 1: the job altogether. And we had the election last week
- 7:37Speaker 1: where all of the liberal judges were appointed to the
- 7:39Speaker 1: bench and some really good conservative judges were voted out
- 7:44Speaker 1: of office. How does that feel, Ken Kober, to get
- 7:47Speaker 1: the Hamilton County's reaction to this and know that the
- 7:51Speaker 1: residents of Hamilton County are going all full, well, woke
- 7:55Speaker 1: in terms of the bench?
- 7:57Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of officers are disappointed. Like
- 8:00Speaker 2: you said, we had some really, really good law and
- 8:02Speaker 2: order judges that are no longer going to be on
- 8:05Speaker 2: the bench. And it's frustrating to see that voters, they're
- 8:09Speaker 2: just looking simply at a letter behind somebody's name and
- 8:13Speaker 2: not what they're actually doing to keep this county safe.
- 8:16Speaker 2: And the ripple effect is going to be pretty frightening
- 8:20Speaker 2: over the next several years to see when we continue
- 8:23Speaker 2: this soft on crime nonsense thing. there's going to be
- 8:26Speaker 2: an impact that people are certainly going to feel.
- 8:28Speaker 1: And another thing that's impacting the morale of the police
- 8:30Speaker 1: department is the status of the police chief. You get
- 8:34Speaker 1: a general sense of the officers and where they are
- 8:36Speaker 1: relative to Police Chief DG, who's right now going through
- 8:39Speaker 1: her administrative appeal process, which they denied Fire Chief Washington,
- 8:43Speaker 1: much to their regret on council, or rather City Manager
- 8:47Speaker 1: Long and after Pearl Ball. But She's getting the complete treatment,
- 8:50Speaker 1: but are the officers ready to have Police Chief Fiji
- 8:53Speaker 1: back in her job if it goes that way? Where
- 8:55Speaker 1: are they in that?
- 8:57Speaker 2: I think the reality is what officers want to know
- 8:59Speaker 2: is who is going to be the permanent leader. Whether
- 9:02Speaker 2: that's Interim Chief Henney, whether Chief Fiji comes back through
- 9:06Speaker 2: this court process, I think this is the longest and
- 9:09Speaker 2: the longest. I'm in my 27th year. This is the
- 9:12Speaker 2: longest I've ever seen an interim chief be in place. Now,
- 9:18Speaker 2: I understand why, because at the end of the month,
- 9:21Speaker 2: Chief DG is going to have her day in court.
- 9:23Speaker 2: And if that goes the way that she expects it to,
- 9:27Speaker 2: I mean, there's a real possibility that she could be back.
- 9:30Speaker 2: So making a permanent chief in that position, what would
- 9:35Speaker 2: they do with Interim Chief Henney? So I certainly understand
- 9:38Speaker 2: the predicament of the city, but there needs to be
- 9:40Speaker 2: some finality for the police department to move forward.
- 9:43Speaker 1: And that finality is needed. So the chief is more
- 9:47Speaker 1: than a figurehead for the police department's morale. I mean,
- 9:49Speaker 1: you need stability in the chief's office. Is that really
- 9:52Speaker 1: how that translates, Ken?
- 9:55Speaker 2: There's some decisions that interim chiefs are absolutely hesitant to
- 9:59Speaker 2: make because they don't know if they're going to be
- 10:02Speaker 2: in that role permanently or not. You know, things that
- 10:05Speaker 2: could affect day-to-day operations. And I can certainly understand why
- 10:10Speaker 2: they shy away from that, but it certainly comes at
- 10:13Speaker 2: a price. And unfortunately, the rank and file seem to
- 10:15Speaker 2: be paying that every day.
- 10:17Speaker 1: No question about it. Well, you and my listening audience
- 10:20Speaker 1: and I have your back and all the police department's back.
- 10:22Speaker 1: We appreciate you in spite of how the elected officials
- 10:27Speaker 1: feel about law enforcement. Well, if there's any glimmer of
- 10:31Speaker 1: hope or maybe schadenfreude in all this, it looks like
- 10:34Speaker 1: City Manager Cheryl Long might have a real problem on
- 10:36Speaker 1: her hands as it relates to her treatment of Fire
- 10:39Speaker 1: Chief Washington.
- 10:42Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt. I mean, his guy
- 10:44Speaker 2: spent his life's work protecting the city, being a firefighter,
- 10:48Speaker 2: and to be treated that way. I think the courts
- 10:51Speaker 2: have recognized that it was absolutely wrong, and there's certainly
- 10:54Speaker 2: going to be a heavy price to pay for the city.
- 10:57Speaker 2: And I hope Chief Washington gets everything that he deserves
- 11:00Speaker 2: because he's a good man.
- 11:01Speaker 1: He is a good man. By all accounts, everybody seems
- 11:03Speaker 1: to be on his side on this. Ken Kober, God
- 11:07Speaker 1: bless you and all law enforcement officers. I appreciate you
- 11:09Speaker 1: coming on the program. You know you're always welcome here.
- 11:11Speaker 1: Anytime you want to talk about issues impacting the police
- 11:13Speaker 1: department or the city, generally speaking.
- 11:16Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me. The support really does make
- 11:20Speaker 2: a difference. We're grateful for it.
- 11:21Speaker 1: I sure hope so because it comes from the heart,
- 11:24Speaker 1: my friend. It truly does. Hang in there and be safe,
- 11:27Speaker 1: my friend. We'll talk again real soon. 646 and 55KRC,
- 11:30Speaker 1: the talk station. Don't look back.