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The Bolt Report | 7 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Uds it's the Report. Good evening and welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Bolt Report.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Daniciti, Giorgio filling in this week for Andrew Bolt.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, the Victorian Premier can't say what constitutes hate,
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  Speaker 2: but forms an anti hate task force to deal with hate.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have my say on Jacinta Allen's weasel words on
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 1: Next, Aaron Patterson is a triple murderer. The mushroom chef
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  Speaker 1: has been found guilty. But why did she do it?
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  Speaker 2: I'll be joined by a criminologists to break down the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And is Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: Arberesi really so incompetent that he would speak about Australia's
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  Speaker 2: independence from the US.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently so.
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  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan will join me to discuss the PM's John
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  Speaker 2: Curtain oration. But first tonight, anti Semitism has no place
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. Just in case you hadn't heard that already
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  Speaker 2: from Anthony Arbenezi about one thousand times since October seven,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, he was the Prime Minister at the
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  Speaker 2: weekend warning that antisemitism has no place in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Last night's us an attack on the synagogue in East
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne is cowardly, is an act of violence and anti
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  Speaker 3: semitism and has no place in Australian society.
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  Speaker 2: Well after a shocking weekend of anti semitism in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: in a country where the Prime Minister says there is
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  Speaker 2: no place for antisemitism, gee, they're sure is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of anti semitism. A Jewish synagogue was set on fire
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne on Friday night as twenty worshipers gathered inside
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  Speaker 2: for Shabbat. Thank goodness, nobody was hurt. In a separate incident,
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  Speaker 2: masked protesters descended on an Israeli restaurant, throwing chairs and
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  Speaker 2: smashing a window while chanting death to the IDF. Police
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  Speaker 2: are hunting five suspects after a business was broken into,
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  Speaker 2: three cars were set alight and slogans were painted on walls,
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  Speaker 2: and a second restaurant located opposite the Melbourne Holocaust Museum
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  Speaker 2: had its front window defaced with anti Semitic graffiti. So
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  Speaker 2: that's four attacks on the Jewish community in just one weekend.
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  Speaker 2: But thank goodness, there's no place for anti Semitism in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: There's no place here in Australia for any Semitism, any Semitism,
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  Speaker 3: has no place in Australia. There's no place for any Semitism.
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  Speaker 3: It's important that any Semitism bell opposed, any Semitism and
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  Speaker 3: has no place in Australian society. There is no tolerance
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  Speaker 3: for any Semitism in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you say the same thing over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over, eventually you.
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  Speaker 1: Just believe what you say. And it seems a Prime.
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  Speaker 2: Minister's strategy on this is to just wish it away
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  Speaker 2: through empty words. And where was Albo today? He was
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  Speaker 2: nowhere to be seen. In fact, for almost two years,
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  Speaker 2: Labor has been nowhere to be seen on anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: And it's those empty words which have helped fan the
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  Speaker 2: flames of the exact same anti Semitism that the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister keeps talking about. It's sad to say, but nobody
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  Speaker 2: should be surprised by four attacks in two days. It's
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  Speaker 2: sadly another day another attack on Australian Jews. And after
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  Speaker 2: being missing in action since the weekend's attacks, the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: premier finally emerged today to visit the synagogue which was
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  Speaker 2: set alight. And would you believe Jacinta Alan has announced
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  Speaker 2: that something needs to be done about anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 1: Who would have thought her solution.
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  Speaker 2: This time is setting up an Anti Hate Task Force
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  Speaker 2: for another talk fest of blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: Which is why establishing the Anti Hate Task Force in
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  Speaker 4: partnership with Victoria Police is the next step in this
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  Speaker 4: plan to crack down on hate but also to work
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  Speaker 4: with communities right across the state in continuing to strengthen
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  Speaker 4: the social fabric of our community terrific.
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  Speaker 2: An Anti Hate Task Force has been established, consisting of
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  Speaker 2: the premier government representatives, a police minister, the Lord Mayor
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  Speaker 2: of Melbourne to figure out what constitutes hate. More meetings,
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  Speaker 2: more chats, more discussion and for what to enforce existing
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  Speaker 2: laws to actually make some arrests and lay some charges. Well,
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  Speaker 2: according to just Cinter Allen.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to tackle hateful behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Really, So what constitutes hateful behavior? Is it? I don't know?
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  Speaker 1: Chanting death to the IDF Premier, So.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think that anyone that's challenging on has a
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  Speaker 5: sign of death for the radiactor should be under into thet.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'll take advice from Victoria Police on them.
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  Speaker 1: She'll take the question on notice.
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  Speaker 2: She has to go and consult with the Anti Hate
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  Speaker 2: Task Force first. I mean, the simple answer would have
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  Speaker 2: been yes. I would have thought that chanting death to
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  Speaker 2: the IDF would at the very least be a hateful
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  Speaker 2: incitement to violence.
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  Speaker 1: And the premier's other.
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  Speaker 2: Bright bulb solution is forcing Victorians, would you believe to
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  Speaker 2: like each other? She's given a social cohesion pledge through
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  Speaker 2: another review, this time into multicultural settings, into the state.
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  Speaker 4: We are seeing too much hate, too much hate, anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 4: that hatred against other groups. We need to crack down
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  Speaker 4: on this, but we need to also do it in
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  Speaker 4: a way that understands that we have such a strength
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  Speaker 4: in our multicultural, multi faith society here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: So create the problem, then try and sell a solution. Well,
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  Speaker 2: let's be very frank about multiculturalism. The multiculturalism experiment has
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  Speaker 2: failed in this country. There are people who have been
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  Speaker 2: welcomed here with open arms, some who hate us, some
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  Speaker 2: who hate our values, and some who have no.
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  Speaker 1: Interest in assimilating.
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  Speaker 2: One common denominator in all of this is Islamic extremism.
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  Speaker 2: This ideology is incompatible with Western democracies. Now, I am
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  Speaker 2: not saying that every anti Semitic attack in this country
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  Speaker 2: has been driven by ideology. But we have to face
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  Speaker 2: the reality of when this hate started. It started from
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  Speaker 2: the day where where are the Jews?
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: The heck was chanted at the Sydney Opera House and
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  Speaker 2: it's gone downhill ever since. I mean, did we ever
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  Speaker 2: expect to see a hate preacher openly declare he was
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  Speaker 2: elated over the Hamas attacks, or when the flags of
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  Speaker 2: Hesbela and other terror groups were so raizenly flown in
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  Speaker 2: our streets where nurses on camera allegedly said that they
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  Speaker 2: won't treat Jewish patients, they would kill them. It's culminated
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  Speaker 2: in anti Israel protests across the country week in week out,
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  Speaker 2: fire bombing here, anti Semitic graffiti there, doxing threats, and.
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  Speaker 1: I could go on and on, and what has labor
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  Speaker 1: done well?
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  Speaker 2: In the first instance, it tried to conflate anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: with Islamophobia as if both were an equal issue in
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  Speaker 2: the country. It gave a vote of confidence to Hamas
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  Speaker 2: on the world stage at the United Nations, and it
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  Speaker 2: brought into the country three thousand garzens.
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  Speaker 1: With little to no security checks. So we must be upfront.
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  Speaker 2: We have in some instances imported hatred under the guise
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  Speaker 2: of multiculturalism without demanding respect for our values. And gee,
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  Speaker 2: we wonder why we have an out of control problem now.
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  Speaker 2: And despite all of this, the Home Affairs Minister says,
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  Speaker 2: it's up to you and I to fix it.
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  Speaker 6: Be kind and welcoming on purpose, make the effort, make
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  Speaker 6: the effort. And if you see the slightest moment where somebody,
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  Speaker 6: even if you don't think they're engaging fully in bigotry,
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  Speaker 6: where they start to make the slightest comments that you
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  Speaker 6: think could be steeped in anti Semitism or other forms
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  Speaker 6: of bigotry, just bring them back, bring them back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the time for being kind is out the window.
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  Speaker 2: And will Tony Burke be giving the same advice to
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  Speaker 2: Muslim leaders in the country. I mean, Labor has been
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  Speaker 2: responsible for a big Australia policy while turning a blind
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  Speaker 2: eye to anti Semitism, and now it wants to tackle
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  Speaker 2: it with big words and task forces. They are falling
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  Speaker 2: over themselves pretending that we're all safe and we're all
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  Speaker 2: good from what they have failed to control. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: too late, but thank god, as Albo will tell you,
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  Speaker 2: there's no place for anti semitism in Australia. Joining me
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  Speaker 2: now is former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and
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  Speaker 2: former Labor MP Michael Danby.
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  Speaker 1: Hi to both of you.
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  Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time this evening. Thank you for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger will start with you and the Victorian Premier.
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  Speaker 1: Solution to all of this is an anti hate task force.
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  Speaker 2: As I just said, this to me seems like another
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  Speaker 2: talk fest, another way for her to pass the buck
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  Speaker 2: and make it look like she's doing something.
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  Speaker 1: Is this task force the solution to the crisis.
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  Speaker 7: No, of course it's not. What you've said is absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 7: Look what we know from what Peter Kredlin's just pointed
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  Speaker 7: out to us, is that she hasn't even bothered to
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  Speaker 7: speak to the Prime Minister about what happened on the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a.
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  Speaker 7: Priority for the socialist left of the Labor Party. She's
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  Speaker 7: socialist left Albanize, socialist left right. Protection of the Jewish
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  Speaker 7: community has never been an issue for the socialist left.
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  Speaker 7: They take the view of the Jewish community can look after themselves, right,
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  Speaker 7: that's the view of the socialist left, decent leader. If
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  Speaker 7: this had happened in New South Wales, men's would have
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  Speaker 7: been on the phone to Albanezi in Victoria. She's not
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  Speaker 7: really that interested. She takes a couple of days to appear,
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  Speaker 7: She comes and gives the obligatory speech, and of course
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  Speaker 7: then you've got this terrible optic of the Jewish community
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  Speaker 7: being reassured by having Tony Burke and Mark Dreyfuss outside
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  Speaker 7: the front of that synagogue, given their appalling record of failure,
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  Speaker 7: particularly Tony Burke, they're out there meant to.
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  Speaker 1: They're meaning to.
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  Speaker 7: To reassure the Jewish community that you know they're against
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  Speaker 7: anti Semitism. Tony and Mark and Albow and Jacinta. No
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  Speaker 7: one's listening to you. You've been begging on about anti
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  Speaker 7: semitism since October the eighth, twenty twenty three. No one
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  Speaker 7: on the left, these the racists, these anti Jewish, hating
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  Speaker 7: racists of the left, None of these people take any
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  Speaker 7: notice of you, nor will they take any notice of
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  Speaker 7: your committee. Quite frankly, no.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got Tony Burke, as I just said, they're saying,
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  Speaker 2: if you hear anti semitism or bigotry in the community.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think, bring people back, Bring people back. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's the full proof solution to this. Michael Danby.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the sad part is this is just another
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  Speaker 2: day in the lives of Jewish Australians living in fear, isn't.
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  Speaker 8: It, Taneker. It's a very worrisome period for Jewish Australians.
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  Speaker 8: I do something I don't normally do, and that is
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  Speaker 8: emotionally appeal to people. If they've got Jewish friends in
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  Speaker 8: Melbourne or elsewhere, people are lonely and frightened, give them
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  Speaker 8: a call, take them for a beer, do something. But
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  Speaker 8: the Premier, you know, I can tell her what to do.
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  Speaker 8: Reconvene Parliament immediately and pass the laws on banning masks.
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  Speaker 8: When these people are exposed by people like you and
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  Speaker 8: Sky and the Herald Son, they won't be so unafraid
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  Speaker 8: to appear. Pass the law on permits like they have
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  Speaker 8: in New South Wales another labor state. Why can't you,
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  Speaker 8: Why can't you at least do this and reintroduce move
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  Speaker 8: on laws. There are three things, Premiere Allen, you should
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  Speaker 8: do straight away.
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  Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with you, and you know she
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  Speaker 2: was asked about that today at the press conference and
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  Speaker 2: again she doesn't have an answer. It's big words, tasks, forces,
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  Speaker 2: chats and that's about it. And look, we saw those
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  Speaker 2: dreadful scenes at Glastonbury where death to the IDF was chanted,
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  Speaker 2: and now that line seems to have been imported into Australia.
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  Speaker 2: We heard it, of course at the storming of a
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne restaurant and also from protesters outside the office of
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  Speaker 2: the New South Wales Premier. I have a look, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, I find it astonishing that police were just
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  Speaker 2: standing there listening to her. But is this chance death
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  Speaker 2: to the IDF? Does that constitute constitute incitement to violence?
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  Speaker 1: In your.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you would have thought so. The calling for the
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  Speaker 7: death of Jews who happened to be a members of
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  Speaker 7: the Defense forces in Israel, you would have thought so.
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  Speaker 7: Have any of those people been arrested. No, These hate
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  Speaker 7: field demonstrations that are held in Melbourne on Sundays had placards.
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  Speaker 7: There have been photographs in the paper with people holding
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  Speaker 7: front page signs up saying death there is Is that
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  Speaker 7: not incitement? Seriously, what are the police doing the twenty
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  Speaker 7: people at trashed the restaurant in Melbourne on Friday night
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  Speaker 7: at Shabat. I presume they'll all be arrested and charged.
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  Speaker 7: I presume they all will be Why wouldn't they be.
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  Speaker 7: The thing is Victoria is basically a law of state.
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  Speaker 7: It's bankrupt and lawless. That's the problem here. If there's
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  Speaker 7: one other thing apart from the things that Michael and
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  Speaker 7: others have mentioned, that Justin ra Allen could do, ring
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  Speaker 7: the Australian Football League and ring the Rugby League the
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  Speaker 7: NRL and ask them at the beginning of every football
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  Speaker 7: match and rugby match, perhaps to replace for just a
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  Speaker 7: period of time the welcomes to country with the approval
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  Speaker 7: of First Nations Australians, no disrespect to them, but because
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  Speaker 7: there's an antisemitism crisis in this country, perhaps at the
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  Speaker 7: beginning of each football and rugby match. Given the NRL
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  Speaker 7: and the AFL like these types of social statements, why
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  Speaker 7: can't we have, at least for the next year at
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  Speaker 7: the beginning of these matches speakers from the Jewish community
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  Speaker 7: talking about the evils of antisemitism. That would get the
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  Speaker 7: serious message across to tens of thousands of Australians. Nothing
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  Speaker 7: She's done or Albanese has done has worked. In fact,
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  Speaker 7: it's been a total failure. So perhaps the AFL and
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  Speaker 7: the NRL could take that upon themselves to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not a bad suggestion. Absolutely. Now look,
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  Speaker 2: I want to move on. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the latest State News poll finding most Victorians aren't at
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  Speaker 2: all keen on reelecting Labor, but they don't see the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals as a fit alternative. The results show Labor hanging
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  Speaker 2: on on to a fifty three to forty seven percent
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  Speaker 2: lead over the Liberal National Party coalition, but fifty nine
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  Speaker 2: percent would not re elect Labor given their dissatisfaction with
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  Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen. In fact, sixty one percent of voters are
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  Speaker 2: unhappy with her leadership. But if you look at Redbridge,
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  Speaker 2: support for the state opposition is plummeting, with just thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight percent of Victorians backing that party. Michael Dowanbeam mean,
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  Speaker 2: a state election is more than twelve months away, but
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  Speaker 2: what do you make of these early polls.
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  Speaker 8: Well, this is why on issues like this crisis in
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  Speaker 8: bigotry that we've seen in Melbourne over the weekend, there's
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  Speaker 8: no opposition. I mean, I mean, David Southwick does a
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  Speaker 8: gives his best effort, but the Liberal Party has been
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  Speaker 8: so divided with their fighting over the legal fees of
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  Speaker 8: the former leader that victorians despair and of course We
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  Speaker 8: do worry that, as Greg Sheridan pointed out in The
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  Speaker 8: Australian Today, that there's a shit in Australian foreign policy
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  Speaker 8: because the Prime Minister has hubris and he thinks that
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  Speaker 8: with that huge majority he can do anything, including moving
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  Speaker 8: our basic relationships between Australia and China. So the Liberals
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  Speaker 8: need to get their act together. Thank Heavens for Sky
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  Speaker 8: News and for News Corporation, because there would be no
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  Speaker 8: opposition in Victoria or nationally to some of the proclivities
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  Speaker 8: of this socialist left government. As Michael points out in
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  Speaker 8: Victoria or nationally, No.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, and I will actually be speaking to Greg
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  Speaker 2: Sheridan at a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But Michael Kroger, I mean a lesson federally.
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  Speaker 2: For the coalition is to go big and bold and
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  Speaker 2: have genuine conservative policy. What does the state opposition there
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  Speaker 2: need to do between now and an election to really
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  Speaker 2: get back on the front foot.
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  Speaker 7: So firstly, Donika can I second Michael Danby's comments about
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  Speaker 7: David Southway here in Victoria. I think David's been an
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  Speaker 7: outstanding advocate and of the Jewish community's He've done a
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  Speaker 7: brilliant job job defending the community. Look you need a
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  Speaker 7: conversation with the electorate so that the electorate thinks that
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  Speaker 7: our leadership thinks the way they do. What are the
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  Speaker 7: issues that the electorate are concerned about, and you have
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  Speaker 7: to have a connection with them. That's the central issue.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you want the elected to look at a
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  Speaker 7: leader and say that person things like I do so
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  Speaker 7: in a nutshell, that's the holy grail of politics and
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  Speaker 7: always has been. In Victoria. You need economically responsible policies,
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  Speaker 7: but there's not much you can cut in the state
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  Speaker 7: budgets and people don't want you to Victoria. And I'm
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  Speaker 7: sure because I know Brad Baton has got some of
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  Speaker 7: these things in mind already. You've got to have a
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  Speaker 7: massive growth policy in Victoria. You've got to massively increase
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  Speaker 7: growth state product, cutting unnecessary burdens and regulations. I mean
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  Speaker 7: up to two years to get a permit for a
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  Speaker 7: house to be built. I mean, there are so many
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  Speaker 7: problems in Victoria. So you don't want to increase taxes.
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  Speaker 7: There's not much you can cut out of the budget
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  Speaker 7: quite frankly, so a massive deregulation program is basically what
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  Speaker 7: I think the Start opposition should be looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look fair enough and I know there's a
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  Speaker 2: long time between now in a state election, but interesting
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  Speaker 2: conversation to have Michael Kroger and Michael Danby. Really great
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  Speaker 2: to have you both on tonight. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for joining me on the program now. Anthony Albanezi gave
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  Speaker 2: a speech at the weekend emphasizing Australia's independence from the
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  Speaker 2: United States.
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  Speaker 3: Curtin's famous statement that Australia looked to America was much
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  Speaker 3: more than the idea of trading one strategic guarranteur for another,
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  Speaker 3: or swapping an alliance with the old world for one
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  Speaker 3: with the new. It was a recognition that Australia's fate
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  Speaker 3: would be decided in our region.
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  Speaker 2: The speech was to mark eighty years since the death
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  Speaker 2: of Labour PM John Curtain. But what a bizarre thing
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  Speaker 2: to be trumpeting independence from the United States at a
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  Speaker 2: time when we are trying to negotiate a trade deal,
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  Speaker 2: asking for nuclear submarines, counting on the US defense in
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  Speaker 2: the event of war. And of course the elephant in
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  Speaker 2: the room other than Kevin Rudd, is that Albot can't
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  Speaker 2: even get a meeting with Donald Trump. Joining me now
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  Speaker 2: is the Australian's Foreign editor Greg Sheridan.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: You wrote a great piece in The Australian today asking
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  Speaker 2: is Anthony Alberzi actually trying intentionally, for reasons best known
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  Speaker 2: to him himself, to diminish, if not undermine, the US
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  Speaker 2: Australia Alliance. So Greg, I'm going to ask you the question,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is Anthony Arbernezi actually trying, for reasons best known to himself,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to diminish, if not undermine, the US Australia Alliance.
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: Well, great to be with you. Look, the answer is,
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I don't know. I've always really liked
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: albout personally, or hate to hear me say that because
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: I've been so critical of him lately. But he comes
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: from the left. He worked for Tommy who was a
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: vehemently anti American leftist, and there's no evidence that Alberanezi
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: ever gave national security a minute's thought before he became
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: leader of the party. And I think now we look
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: back on the hawkish things he said as opposition leader
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: and in his first year in government, and you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: the suspicion grows that those were the things he felt
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: he had to say politically, didn't really believe them. This
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: was a bizarre speech. I mean, Curtain's whole wartime prime
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: ministership was about keeping Britain and America both connected to
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: Australia and in defense of Australia, and far from declaring
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: any independence from America. Curtain put the whole of the
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: Australian Defense Force under the command of General Douglas MacArthur.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: MacArthur was like a wartime overlord in Australia and that
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: was a smart policy for Curtain. Curtain was not some
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: Kumbaya Asianist. Curtain was, you know, the World War II
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: equivalent of Vladimir Zelenski saying is help our country is
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: in terrible trouble, and the people who came to help
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: were the Americans. We're independent. We remain independent because of
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: the American naval battles of Coral c and Midway. How
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: our men fought heroically in Papuin in New Guinea as well.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: But Alberzi has presented the absolute, stark opposite of what
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Curtain really was. It's a ridiculous speech. Historically, he says
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: Curtain founded the American alliance. That's untrue. The Americans wouldn't
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: have an alliance with Australia in the late nineteen forties,
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: partly because they didn't trust Doc Everett, who was part
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: of the Labor government and the Mensis government founded the
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: Alliance in nineteen fifty one. But the bigger question is
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: why did Alberanesi make such a bizarre speech? Is he
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: is he trying to provoke the Americans into killing off workers.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: Therefore he won't have to spend any money on the
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: nuclear submarines. He still won't increase the defense budget, I bet,
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: and he can sort of run that as standing up
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: to Trump's bullying. Albanesi, even at the level of politics,
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: should be very careful about this though. Trump is very unpopular,
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: but the American Alliance is very popular.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it would be naive of us
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to think that we need to be independent from the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: United States right now. And I've got to say, Gregor,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I found the speech more favorable to China than the US.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He said quote Labor was patiently and deliberately working to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: stabilize our relationship with China. We know that the Prime
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Minister is about to go to Beijing. He's had four
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: meetings with China, none with Trump. Why is Anthony Albanese
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: so at ease with China.
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: Well, because they flatter him, and because I don't think
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: he's ever accepted the national security view of China in
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: private conversation he always regarded before he became leader, he
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: always regarded China as extremely benign and thought the China
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: threat stuff was widely exaggerated. Now you think a guy
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: who sits around the National Security Committee of Cabinet would
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: grow up and change his view. I mean, Malcolm Turnbull
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: had a benign view of China, but once he became
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: Prime Minister and saw all the intelligence and everything, he
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: became very very tough minded. Indeed, and the outlines it
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: all in his memoir. But also this idea of becoming
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: independent of America, what does this even mean? We rely
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: one hundred percent on American technical intelligence, for example, to
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: show us what ships and planes are moving in our
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: own region. This labor government, Alberesi's government abolished the program
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: to have low Earth orbit satellites for civilian use but
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: which would have also had military use, and abolished the
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: program to have military satellites for secure communication. So it's
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: determined we're not going to have any capability of our own.
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: So we are one hundred percent dependent on the Americans. Now,
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: if you were really claiming you were going to be
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: somehow other more independent of the Americans, whether you'd have
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: to triple or quadruple or quintuple the defense effort, you'd
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: have to have all your own satellites and make your
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: own missiles and all the rest. Well, Alberanzi won't spend
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: a dollar on defense. We have a ridiculously anemic defense budget.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: So what is he up to? This is just I
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: think crass politics and a wildly unrealistic view of a
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: benign China and thinking that it's smart to be at
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: war with Trump or not, if not at war with Trump,
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: distant from Trump. It's not even clear that he can't
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: get an interview with Trump. I don't think he's willing
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: to go to Washington to meet Trump in the Oval
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: Office because he doesn't want Trump to commit him to
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: defense spending or to some formulation on China. This is
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: an abdication of leadership, and Curtain would be ashamed of Albanezi.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Good, that's a really, really good point. And I also
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: just think he's so scared. He's so scared of Donald Trump,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is scared of what might happen, even though so many
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: world leaders have already been there. Greg Sherman, We've got
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to leave it there. Thank you very much for joining
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: me on the show this evening. Appreciate it well. Coming
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: up after the break, Mushroom Chef Aaron Patterson is now
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: one of Australia's worst female killers after being found guilty
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: by a Victorian court.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So what made her do it?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We'll ask a criminologist and show you for the first
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: time pictures of the now.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Deadly Beef Wellington.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Plus Israel's President Bren Benjamin Ettiaho will sit down with
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump at the White.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: House in a matter of hours. More on that next.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Welcome Back well Aaron Patterson is a triple murderer. The
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: mushroom Chef has been found guilty of dowsing Beef Wellington's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: with lethal death cat mushrooms in twenty twenty three and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: serving them to her estrange husband's parents, Don and Gail Patterson,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and Gail's.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Sister, Heather Wilkinson.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: She's also been found guilty of the attempted murder of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Heather's husband, Pastor Ian Wilkinson. And now for the first
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: time we can show you the pictures of the deadly
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Beef Wellington leftovers, and here are the mushrooms on the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: dehydrated tray. And this is Aaron Patterson's dining room where
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the lunch guests eight.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Gee, what a massive trial this has been in Victoria.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Joining me now to break it down is forensic expert
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and criminologist Xanthy Mallett. Zanthy good to catch up with you. Firstly,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: what's your reaction to today's verdicts?
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: Hello, Danika, Well, you never know which way a jury
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: is going to go. I've been doing this for too
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: long to try and predict that, but certainly it's been
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: a fascinating case to watch unfold over the ten weeks,
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: and obviously we've all been waiting with bated breath for
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: seven days almost now for the jury to come back
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: with the decision. I am pleased that they made a
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: unanimous decision because I would hate to see this go
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: to a mistrial if they hadn't been able to achieve that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: because obviously, if the families, the Pattersons and you know
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: the others involved in this, the Wilkinsons, this has been
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: a very very long process and heartbreaking regardless of the outcome.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Ah, look that that's a very very fair point, it
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: would be very difficult.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: They took seven days this jury.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: What was the key evidence that stood out in your
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: mind that would have most convince them of Aaron Patterson's guilt.
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: Well, obviously in Australia, we can't talk to juries to
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: see why they reached the conclusion that they did, which
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: I would love to have done it in this case.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: I'd love to have been a fly on that wall
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: to hear the deliberations. But for me, what stood out
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: was the litany of lies. Now, the judge made very
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: clear that a lie does not make a murderer, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: I have to agree. But I'm assuming that the jury
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: reached the same conclusion as many others that it's very
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: difficult for the jury to believe Erin Patterson's account when
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: she gave her evidence, given the lies that she admitted to,
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: and ultimately that was balanced out against the fifty or
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: so other witnesses that they heard, and they reached the
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: conclusion that there was intent in this case and therefore
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: she was guilty of murder and attempted murder.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Because Aaron Patterson, and she admitted throughout that she had
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: lied from lying that she had cancer when she didn't
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: lying about why she invited the group over to lunch
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: That would not have helped.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Would it had come to the presumption of innocence, Well, they.
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: Had to weigh that up very carefully against the rest
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: of the evidence. But ultimately I don't think it did help.
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: For example, you know, she initially denied the different plates
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: and then gave a different reason. And you know, there were,
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: as you say, the lies about the cancer diagnosis. They
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: were the lies about the dehydrator and getting rid of that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: There was the lies about the foraging, and all of
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: this came out obviously in front of the jury, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: I don't think that would have helped her case. And
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: I think her choosing to give evidence. Obviously, most of
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: the time people don't give evidence in their defense and
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: that's totally their own right to maintain their silence, but
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: I think that would have been absolutely crucial for the
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: jury to to get a sense of who Erin was
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: as a person and to hear what happened allegedly in
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: her own words.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And look, the reality of all this now is she
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: is now classified as one of Australia's worst female killers.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, you look at her.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: She just looks like your average Australian woman.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: What made her do it? Do you think?
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: Well, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question at this stage. Now,
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: I have to say that Erin has maintained her innocence
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: throughout and I imagine she will continue to do so. So,
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: you know, we're all guessing as to why somebody would
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: go to these extremes, you know, and kill them number
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: of members their own family, and it's such an awful
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: way to deathcap mushroom poisoning is just a terrible, terrible
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: way to die. And so that's the question everyone is asking.
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: Without her having a review by a psychologist or psychiatrist,
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: it's going to be very difficult for anyone to guess.
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: But also weighing up, you know, what is the worst killer.
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: Certainly she is a female mass murderer now formerly and
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: that is very unusual, and I think that's one of
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: the reasons the case has gonnered so much international attention.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: It's making headlines everywhere, fascinating to see what happens now.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure her lawyers will start an appeals process. Zathy Mallett,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: nice to see you. Thank you very much for joining
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: me on the show this evening. Well, I want to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: return now to the anti Semitic attacks in Melbourne at
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the weekend. Labour's breathtaking incompetence has seen the Israeli President
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Nettnaho rightly intervene again in calling on the government
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to take all necessary measures to bring the rioters to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: justice and to prevent such attacks in the future. Meanwhile,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Israel's Minister for combating anti Semitism has written to Anthony
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Albinizi saying these are not isolated incidents and this alarming
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: climate is unfolding under your government's watch. When synagogues are
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: burned and Jewish business is attacked in central Melbourne, silence
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: sends a dangerous message that Jewish safety is negotiable. That
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: message is unacceptable. Johnny now Is Australia Israel and Jewish
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Affairs Council Director of Public Affairs, Jamie Hyman's Jamie, thank
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you for joining me. What does it say about our leaders?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Once again Israeli leaders are forced to intervene.
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: Well, it's very disappointing that this is still going on
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: and October seven was exactly twenty one months ago today,
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: So that's a year and three quarters. The anti Semitism
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: in this country started up the next day, the absolute
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: next day, and yet we're still seeing these sort of
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: things happen. And every time there's an incident, we get
• 30:58
  Speaker 11: urgent action and we need to condemn and so on,
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: which is all very well, but we should not still
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: be at the stage where there's urgent action. This has
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: been going on for long enough that action should have
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: been taken to prevent it, as the Prime Minister of
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: Israel said, And when you've got these demonstrations, regular demonstrations
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: in the city where basically Jewish people are demonized, Israel's
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: demonized Jewish people are demonized. You know, they say all
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: Zionists are terrorists. Anyone who believes that Israel has the
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: right to exist, which is ninety ninety five percent of
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: the Jewish community and many others, is a terrorist. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: now they've got this new thing, you know, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: death to the IDEF. You know, we wouldn't accept it
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: if people were saying death to the Australian Army, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: somehow it's acceptable to say death to the Israeli Army.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And bearing in mind in.
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: Israel, because of the threats they face small directions. There's conscription,
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: so just about everyone in Israel, especially all the Jewish
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: community serves in the army as meant, as well as
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: many others. So and there's no doubt there's a direct
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: line from these demonstrations in this demonization to the anti
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: Semitic at takes we see where people get all fired
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: up and then they feel the need to do something
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: about it. So it's one of two cases. Either our
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: laws are strong enough to do something about this and
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: they're not being enforced, in which case they need to
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: be enforced. All the laws aren't strong enough, in which
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: case they need to be strengthened. But one way or another,
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: our governments have to do something to stop this happening
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: because our community.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Has had enough.
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: It's appalling that our community has to put up with this,
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: and it's detrimental to the whole of Australian society. It
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: rips at the fabric of Australian society and it's just
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: not good enough for our community.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: No, it's absolutely not.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I mean it is a blight literally on the entire country.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about interesting reports today that
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Hermas is in a state of collapse as senior officer
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and Hermas's security forces has told the BBC that the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: group has lost control of over eighty percent of the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Gaza Strip. How much of this can be believed, do
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: you think, Jamie, Well.
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: This could actually be one of the rare occasions where
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: someone from Hermus is telling something approaching the truth, which
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: is very unusual. But not having control over eighty percent
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: of the Gaza Strip, which is quite likely because the
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: Israeli strategy in the past was to take areas of
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: Gaza and then and then leave, And what was happening
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: was Hamas was then re establishing itself in these areas.
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: So in the latest fighting since the ceasefire rendered in March,
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: what Israel has been trying to do is take territory
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: and then hold that territory so and clear Hamas out
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: bit by bit. So what he's saying is pretty much true.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: But when they say they don't have control, it doesn't
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: mean they don't have a presence. So they've still got
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: armed gangs killing Palestinians, you know, trying to stop them
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: getting food from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation hubs, causing murder
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: and mayhem, intimidating the population. But they don't have control
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: of those areas. The IDEF has control of a lot
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: of the areas. And there's also other armed Palestinian gangs
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: who are actually anti Himas, who have had enough of
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: Hamasa's maladministration and oppression and intimidation and murder and stealing
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: of food eate, and is actually now trying to do
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: something about it. So it is getting very messy there
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: in Israel. You know, you see the casualty counts, but
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: what they never say is that Israel has killed well
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: over twenty thousand Hamas fighters, including most of the seniors.
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: You know, the scene upparchelon. So the fact is that
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: Hamas is losing control and it can't happen fast enough.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: No oh, look you spot on.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: We're almost out of time, but we've got thirty seconds left.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I just want to ask you, Benjamin Ettina, who will
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: sit down with Donald Trump at the White House in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a matter of ours, what can we expect from the meeting?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think.
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: They'll be talking about a seesire in Gaza and they'll
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: be talking about what Gaza looks like after the war
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: is fought, How to get Hamas out of there and
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: someone else in to run the place, and also perhaps
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: what to do with Iran now that Iran has had
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: the very successful military action against it by the US
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: and by Israel, and hopefully ways that Iran can be
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: stopped ever becoming a nuclear weapons regime.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be fascinating to see what comes out of it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Jamie Hyams, appreciate you joining me. Thanks very much for
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: your time this evening. We're coming up after the break.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Liberal leader Susan Lee he conducts a listing tour of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Australia's multicultural communities. Plus the Liberals tie themselves in knots
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: again over gender quotas? Is that really what voters care about?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I'll discuss that more with my panel next.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Joining me now is my panel lecturer and author.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Stephen Shavra and Sky News's host of the Late Debate,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: freyer Leach.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Height of both of you. Good to see you. Thank
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining me.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the Liberals really tying themselves in knots
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: over gender quotas. A new survey of one thousand voters
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: showed forty eight percent of respondents support gender quotas in
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, twenty four percent.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Oppose them, but here's a thing.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Sixty one percent said having a female Liberal candidate would
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: make no difference to how they vote.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Freyer, Look, we've heard about this now for weeks.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I just think the average Aussie doesn't care right now
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: about the women in the Liberal Party. They want to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: know about cost of living. And secondly, the Liberal Party
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: can't even.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Define what a woman is.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So if you don't know what a woman is, then
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: how can you have a woman problem exactly?
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: And it's insulting to voters and all the very real
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: pain that they're experiencing right now to think that the
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: number one issue for them is the gender of the
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: Liberal Parties candidate in their local electorate. We also just
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: know from the last election it is absolutely false. People
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: do not vote on the basis of candidates genders at
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: enough of a scale for this to make a difference.
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: Tim Wilson one against a teal good point in Victoria.
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: He was a male against a female teal candidate, whereas
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: just next door the female Liberal candidate in Kuyong, Emilia
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: Hamer was unsuccessful against Manique Ryan. So you can't say
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: that there is this conclusive proof. In fact, this survey
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: shows people really don't care What they care about is
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: political parties presenting real solutions to the very real challenges
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: that they're experiencing. The Liberal Party needs to get back
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: to doing that absolutely.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And the other issue, Steven, is that the Liberal Party
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't know what it stands for right now. It's so
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: far straight away from conservative values.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Yet its number one concern is politics ideology. He's going
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to be kidding me.
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: I know, the Liberal Party is basically a zombie party.
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: It's like a zombie roaming around looking for a philosophy,
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: and because it can't find one, even though it's actually
• 37:11
  Speaker 13: got one. If people would go back to the writings
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: of its founder, Robert Menzies, there is a comprehensive liberal
• 37:16
  Speaker 13: conservative philosophy in his speeches known as the Forgotten People's Speeches.
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: It's all there. If they could just have a slow
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: read through that, it would give them some philosophical depth.
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: But every time they try to latch onto something, all
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: they do is imitate labor, whether it's with net zero
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: gender quotas, excessive immigration. They've just run out of all ideas.
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: And what strategy is there to save this party. Is
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: it going to be by getting new members in new
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: bloods or Is it going to be with a minor
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: party that scares it. No one really knows. Both have
• 37:47
  Speaker 13: been tried, Both don't seem to be working. Is this
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: party going to survive the next election or are we
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: going to have something like the Conservatives in the UK
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: that just get wiped out.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they've got no policy and the exactly like
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a labor light opposition.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. Now.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Look, the Liberal leader Susan Lee is on a listening tour,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: as she's calling it. Today she held a listening session
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: with Chinese Australian community members, saying, quote, protection from hate
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: for our migrant communities should always be front and center.
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: Have a look the relationship with our Chinese Australian community,
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: as it is with all of our multicultural communities, is
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: also about protecting them from hate.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: And when we heard.
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: Examples as we did of racism and hatred, it made
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: us very angry and very distressed. That protection from hate
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: for our migrant communities should always be front and center.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Freyer, is this seriously the priority right now? I can
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: understand her going tomorrow to visit the Jewish community in Melbourne,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: but a listening tour of multicultural communities is this the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: right time to do it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: I mean, again, the Liberal Party needs to focus on
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: real policy if you want to reach the Chinese Australian community.
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: They're very entrepreneurial, a lot of small business owners, strong
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: family values and a lot of the suggests many of
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: them oppose the CCP regime in China. So the answer
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: is develop some serious economic policy, talk about real issues
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: that mattered to Australia and stand up for Australia's national
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: interests against the authoritarian Chinese regime. That would be far
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: better than just going on about safety of communities. Of course,
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: no one wants racism like that's just a non answer.
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: So I think that really speaks to the fact that
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: there isn't any policy yet. But again, lots of time
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: till the next election, so hopefully that changes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Fair points, David. Why do you think this is the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: priority of the Liberal Party now?
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: Because we have these massive ethnic voting blocks in Australia
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: that have built up over the last thirty years. I
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: mean we have about one point four to one point
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: five million Australians with Chinese background. Seven hundred thousand Australians
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: were born in China and the danger of this is
• 39:52
  Speaker 13: that the fact is the CCP is a national enemy
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: and although many of our Chinese migrants have no time
• 39:58
  Speaker 13: for the CCP, are actually quite fond of the CCP.
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: We actually know this. And when you have massive voting
• 40:04
  Speaker 13: blocks in Australia that politicians have to they feel they
• 40:09
  Speaker 13: need to defer to, then that makes things like limiting
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: immigration dealing strongly with China much more difficult for them
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: to do, because then it becomes an issue of electability.
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: And that's I fear where we're sleepwalking into.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do completely agree, and yet we've got Albow
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: going to China again, the meeting with Beijing for the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: fourth time, but not so lucky with Donald Trump as
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of yet now look, two thirds of the New South
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Wales government departments do not have.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Even basic cyber protection.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: A whistleblower told The Daily Telegraph that most departments and
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: agencies are operating on legacy computer systems from two thousand
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and eight and would have no idea if they've been breached.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, in the last hour, Quantus has confirmed it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: been contacted by a potential cyber criminal, days after the
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: data of up to six million customers was accessed in
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: an online hat. It doesn't give you much confidence, does
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: it that our private personal details are.
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: Safe, especially when we're at a time when we're handing
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: over more and more personal details, digital identifications, you're signing
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: into venues during COVID. I mean data that in previous
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: times we would have cringed the idea of handing that
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: over to an unsecure system that has no guarantees in
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: place to secure that data. So it is absurd, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: I mean the blame game is already starting. No one
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: wants to take responsibility for this. People are blaming the bureaucrats,
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: they're blaming lack of budget, but the New South Wales
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: government always has billions in the bank to pay unions
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: and to pay unionized workforces. More so, it's time they
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: start taking the safety of our data seriously and actually
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: do something.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. And you know you mentioned COVID, Stephen.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: During COVID, we freely and had to base of a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: force to weren't we give up a lot of private
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: information to governments. God knows now where that's ended up.
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it'll probably end up in China, like our coal
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: And the fact that the matter is China is just
• 42:01
  Speaker 13: light years ahead of Australia technologically and in terms of AI.
• 42:04
  Speaker 13: Just last year in twenty twenty four, there were one
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: hundred and fifty two significant or extreme cyber attacks in
• 42:11
  Speaker 13: the Australian public service departments. We again, we're sleepwalking into
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: this techno cyber surveillance state and we are trading our
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: security for convenience. And that is precisely unfortunates where a
• 42:25
  Speaker 13: whole lot of the West is going. And if there's
• 42:27
  Speaker 13: one thing we need to hold on to, it's cash.
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: Good point that we don't want to go cashless, that
• 42:32
  Speaker 13: should not go digital. The economy can not completely completely digital.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I feel like people who do use
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: cash right now going this is exactly why I use cash,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: and this is why it's too legal tender in this country.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Frail h Stephen SHAVERA great to have you both on.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: this evening. We'll stay with us after the break. Is
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the UK government about.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: To ban banter in the workplace?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Apparently so, plus Prince Harry depicted as a puppet and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Savage as having no discernible talent.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: We'll go alive to London next Welcome back.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: While the grotesque grooming gang scandal in the UK has
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: been exposed even further. An abuse survivor claims levels of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: child grooming in London are more catastrophic than anywhere else
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: in the country. Joining me now is writer and broadcaster
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  Speaker 2: Ester kraku Esther. Nice to see you. Can we expect
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: an investigation or another cover up?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think? Well?
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: At this point, I don't think the government can run
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: away from any more investigations. We saw their latest u
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: turn of actually calling for a national inquiry. You have
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: to understand that the British government has called inquiry for
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: some of the.
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: Most inane things.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: So to think that they would refuse or reject an
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: investigation into probably the biggest national disgrease in Britain's history
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: is beggars belief.
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: But it's quite interesting to hear the survivor's.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Comments on how grooming is actually quite catastrophic in London,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: because it would make sense. You know, it has a
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: massive population, it's a largest city, is very diverse, and
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: yet you see a lot of discrepancies between sort of
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: what the Metropolitan Police are saying is London's rate of
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: child sexual grooming and child sexual abuse, and then what
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: is being reported by the individual borrowers in London, which
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: just suggests some inconsistencies in data collection. And the Metropolitan
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Police have actually admitted to this, and they're saying that
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: they're trying to fix it and get on top of it,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure that when they do, we will actually
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: see such high rate of child grooming and sexual abuse
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: that it would really just kind of blow the water
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: on the other towns that we've seen.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: We've seen, you know, towns.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: Like Oldham and Rotherham and and you know other parts
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: of Greater Manchester and many northern cities, and you have
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: to think, if you have such a significantly you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: a high number of these kinds of abuses of children,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: what can London hold. I mean, we saw grooming youngs
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: coming out of cities like Oxford for example, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: a university town, and other parts of the UK. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: London is naturally, just in terms of population and numbers,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: supposed to have the highest number. And I'm sure that
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: when those figures finally do come out, it will be catastrophic.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's shocking again. Unfortunately now it looks so though
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the keya Starma Rejames next target is workplace banter.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: New laws drawn.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Up would say diversity officers hired to crack down on
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: workplace banter deemed defensive.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: These new employees will be tasked with, among other.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Things, protecting staff from the possibility of offensive content of
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: overheard conversations esther.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So basically hearsay persay. Can you believe it? Yes?
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: I mean, just to paint a picture of what that
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: could possibly look like.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: If you if you worked in a pub and you
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: heard conversations by some of the people that you were
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: serving that you found offensive on the grounds of race
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: or gender, which this bill actually says, you could take
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: your boss to court for not doing what you deemed
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: was appropriate to stop it. So basically marching out someone
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: from the pub for making a joke that you don't like.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: And this is the bill that's been spearheaded by the
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Deputy Prime Minister Angela A. Rena, and she thinks this
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: is a way to protect employment rights in this company.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: But as many business leaders and conservatives have said, it's
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: completely unworkable. You cannot further burden businesses with the possibility
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: that someone a third party, no less, not even another
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: fellow employee at third party, may say something that would
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: offend an employee.
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: Then that begs the question why are you still working?
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: How is that the employer's problems?
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: You know, employers can't screen everything that potential customer says.
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: It's just an unusual, unworkable burden.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: But it's something that Angel Arena seems to be pushing
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: through as part of the Employment Rights Bill, which has
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: been quite strongly fought over in Parliament.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I just think it's extraordinary and what a way to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: continue killing off business in the UK at a time
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: when you need that sort of level of productivity. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: just it absolutely beggars belief. Now, look, I want to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: pivot now to the Royals. Prince Harry has actually been
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: savaged as having no discernible talent and depicted by a puppet.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Would you believe have a look at this. It is
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a jog laugh we JATOs. Oh bad.
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: She cracked me up, and not that sort of crag obviously.
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: I mean not that I would have or not that
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: I wouldn't, but I just went like you made me
• 46:56
  Speaker 16: laugh with or without stuff.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know, Then the will judgel, that's your grace.
• 47:01
  Speaker 16: I'm here to tell my truth and make a ton
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: of money out to podcasting. As I don't have any
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: discernible talent.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Extra I've got to sign. I thought it looked like
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the Prince myself. But you've gotta laugh, don't you.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Prince has become a subject of satire,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: him and his wife, and it's largely of their own making.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: This is from an episode of Spitting Image, which ran
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: from nineteen eighty four.
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: To nineteen ninety six and its original run and has.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Now been rebooted as a YouTube program. And I'm sure
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: they're taking a belief out of the Book of South
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Park when they decided to ridicule the Dutch and the
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Duke and Duchess of Sussex and how well that went down.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure that's kind of their strategy. But you know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: it's come back as a YouTube show. This is kind
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: of light humor and I'm sure at this point Harry
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: and Meghan expect it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: We're almost at a time.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: But do the Ukai public still laugh when it comes
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: to Prince Harry and Meghan.
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: Yes, I think they laugh and they cringe in equal measure.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously they much of the public finds are
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: distasteful that they seem to be a banking of the
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: Royal titles in a way that we find quite cringe worthy.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, you have actual working royals going to open
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: a school in Wales on a rainy day in a
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: very uncomfortable situation, and then you have these people and
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: want to see to kind of bleating on.
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: About their hardships.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: But yes, I think the British public has largely moved
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: on and would just like to see the back of them.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, I think the whole world at this point
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: would like to see the back of them, that's for sure.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yet they just keep popping up over and over again.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Esther Cracker, it's been really good to catch up with you.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It's been a while.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: this evening, and thank you for your company. I'll be
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: back again tomorrow night hosting Andrew Bolt's Bolts Show for
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the rest.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Of the week. But stay with us now it's time
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: for Sharry Marks and good night.