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The new populist overlords of the Democratic Party · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 2: In for you for the second of our two day
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  Speaker 2: adventure as the week begins at oh my oh, just
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  Speaker 2: just the tingle of adventure is just all over every
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  Speaker 2: single news item, every single story, every single campaign narrative.
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  Speaker 2: And it is very very much a political day. But
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  Speaker 2: then aren't they all in this very important year of
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  Speaker 2: the midterms. Today is primary day in a number of states,
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  Speaker 2: foremost among them Michigan. We're we're going to take a
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  Speaker 2: look at Abdul Lsied and Hailey Stevens. Yes, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to take a look at the Democrats. Why well, number one,
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  Speaker 2: we look at everybody and here in the conservative media sphere,
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  Speaker 2: Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network. Thank you for watching
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  Speaker 2: or listening wherever you may be doing so. There are
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  Speaker 2: two things that are really important for us to do
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  Speaker 2: in guiding ourselves towards success. On November third, and silly,
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  Speaker 2: silly me, I still think we can have success on
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  Speaker 2: November third. I've just seen story after story, and tweed
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  Speaker 2: after tweed and post after a post. Oh, it's got
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  Speaker 2: to be a nightmare. Trump's numbers are tanking. Republicans have
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  Speaker 2: lost young men, they've lost their way. Now, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: there's truth in a lot of that. There's if you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get good and depressed, if you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: go full full glass half empty, as the mixed saying
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  Speaker 2: might go, if you're going to go one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: glass half empty, or even less than half empty, you could.
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  Speaker 2: Because this red wave does not seem to be in
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  Speaker 2: the offing. However, the blue wave, the red nightmare, the
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  Speaker 2: the crotch kick that the incumbent party usually gets right
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  Speaker 2: after a presidential election. I know that there's history in that.
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  Speaker 2: But if there's anything that we've learned these days is
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  Speaker 2: that history can be jostled by the sheer force of
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  Speaker 2: current events. Now it's jostling things in a bad way
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  Speaker 2: right now. We have economic problems. Everything is expensive. Affordability
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  Speaker 2: is real. Hanging it around Trump's neck exclusively is not.
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  Speaker 2: But obviously affordability is a big deal, and we've got
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  Speaker 2: to as conservatives, we got to fight through this obstacle
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  Speaker 2: that everybody thinks that how affordable things are is necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a function of government, that there is something that a
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  Speaker 2: politician can do, some magical wand that can be waived
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, eggs are a dollar a
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  Speaker 2: cart and gas is two dollars a gallon. Obviously, there
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  Speaker 2: are some things that countries can do. Like countries, plural
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  Speaker 2: takes two to tango stop, get to get out of
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  Speaker 2: the war. If we get out of the war, gas
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  Speaker 2: gets better, All kinds of things get better, economy gets better,
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  Speaker 2: and our prospects get better. For the third of November.
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  Speaker 2: But on a lot of the affordability and economic issues,
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  Speaker 2: the best thing government can do is get out of
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  Speaker 2: the way. And even if government does that very right thing,
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  Speaker 2: that was the magic of Reagan. By the way, there
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  Speaker 2: isn't a long list of stuff Reagan did that made
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  Speaker 2: the economy boom in the eighties. It was the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that stopped that Reagan stopped government from doing, rolling back taxation,
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  Speaker 2: rolling back regulation. And it's the kind of thing that
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  Speaker 2: Bush did with a tax cut. It's kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: JFK did with a tax cut. It's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing that Trump certainly has done with tax cuts and
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  Speaker 2: some regulatory sanity. So if we're able to do these
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  Speaker 2: things and look like it's having some effect by November,
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  Speaker 2: and I know here are in August, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: like we've got forever for economic resolutions, for resolutions of
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  Speaker 2: the war, etc. Etc. And we've just got to pitch
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  Speaker 2: that the power that we have, and we got to
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  Speaker 2: pitch it to independence because we're apparently losing in THEOS.
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  Speaker 2: We're bleeding independence, I'm told by all the polls. And
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  Speaker 2: that may well be because nobody likes the long protracted war,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess in today's lexicon, five or six months
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  Speaker 2: is a long and protracted war. Nobody likes expensive stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So independence who may not be as ideologically wired as
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  Speaker 2: you or I might be on either side of the fence,
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  Speaker 2: they tend to look at things like this stuff seem
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  Speaker 2: to be working? Does the country? This how Trump got
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  Speaker 2: so popular. He seemed to be a hands on manager
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy, not the most ideological of presidents. Just
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  Speaker 2: does it work? Is it working well? And want things
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  Speaker 2: to work better than it's ever worked before? And during
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  Speaker 2: much of his two terms. They have worked well, and
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  Speaker 2: not just worked well with conservatives. The border works well,
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  Speaker 2: our business climate works well, our regulatory environment works well,
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  Speaker 2: Immigration enforcement is working well, and then we got some
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  Speaker 2: ice hiccups. It makes everybody freak out, but there are
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  Speaker 2: things that are happening that are simply objectively successful, and
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  Speaker 2: if we can remind those pesky independent voters of that,
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  Speaker 2: then I think we're going to be okay on November third.
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  Speaker 2: So that's our side of the equation. The other side
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  Speaker 2: of the equation is those people are crazy. I think
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  Speaker 2: I didn't coin this yesterday. I've been saying it for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. There's a T shirt, a bumper sticker,
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  Speaker 2: an ad campaign, whatever you want to set up for
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans for the mid terms twenty twenty six. You
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  Speaker 2: may not agree with everything we say, but those people
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  Speaker 2: are out of their minds. Are you going to hand
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  Speaker 2: the reins of power to people who think that we
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  Speaker 2: should abolish Thanksgiving? Are you going to give power to
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  Speaker 2: people who believe there are twenty seven genders, to people
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  Speaker 2: who don't believe in borders and listen, that's mainstream Democrats,
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  Speaker 2: the DSA. Then you get to people who don't believe
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  Speaker 2: in police, who don't believe in the Pentagon, who don't
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  Speaker 2: believe in the presidency in the United States Senate as
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  Speaker 2: established in that what's that thing called again? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Constitution. These people are as crazy as an outhouse rat,
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  Speaker 2: and that's got to be worth something. It's we have
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  Speaker 2: got to be able to weaponize that in some kind
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  Speaker 2: of creative way. But it has to be. It has
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  Speaker 2: to be to multiple things true at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: They're insane and we are competent. We don't become better
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  Speaker 2: just because they become worse. They're absolutely becoming worse. And
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  Speaker 2: we're going to find out I as Abdul l si
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  Speaker 2: Ed is going to beat Hailey Stevens. Abdulah Sayed makes
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  Speaker 2: Hailey Stevens look like Sarah Palin. All right, this is
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  Speaker 2: where the Democrats are right now, and it's just very,
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  Speaker 2: very strange. Let me let you hear this guy. Here's
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  Speaker 2: where we are with with the DSA. He's conny, he
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  Speaker 2: seems to distance from the socialist label, and yet the
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  Speaker 2: DSA folks love him, and so listen, I could stop talking.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let him talk. It's cut thirteen. Here's the guy
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  Speaker 2: who the Poles say could win the Democrat primary for
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  Speaker 2: Senate in Michigan. Abdul Lsi ed, Right.
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  Speaker 3: Now, in our country, the vast majority of people of
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  Speaker 3: color are funded on government health insurance programs that do
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  Speaker 3: not reimburse at the same level as private health insurance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we basically are saying that in our country, care
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  Speaker 3: provided for a black child, for example, is reimburse that
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  Speaker 3: nearly have the rate as a white child.
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  Speaker 2: We're basically valuing that child's body differently.
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  Speaker 3: Medicare for All would sit there and say no, not
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  Speaker 3: you know, a program for low income people, and then
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  Speaker 3: another program for seniors, one program that guarantees and backstops everybody. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the challenge when your healthcare is not reimbursed at the
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  Speaker 3: same level is that you end up getting discriminated against
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  Speaker 3: at the point of care. Yes, and I've seen that
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  Speaker 3: with my own eyes. Yes it is heart rental. But
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  Speaker 3: if you have the security of Medicare in your back pocket,
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  Speaker 3: and no matter who you are, the system doesn't discriminate
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  Speaker 3: against you because your body commands the same quality of
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  Speaker 3: care and the same reimbursement rate as anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good lord, I love the interviewer Yes, it's like
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  Speaker 2: Phil Hartman is Ed McMahon. Yes, sir, you are correct, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: except he's not. Everything's economic and virtually nothing is racial anymore.
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  Speaker 2: The wealthy black family in America has private health insurance.
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  Speaker 2: The low income white family is on some type of
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  Speaker 2: Obamacare or something like that has nothing to do with race.
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  Speaker 2: But in today's Democrat party, everything has to do with race.
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  Speaker 2: And let's see, we got a second on that's twenty fifty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is just twenty three seconds. This has cut fourteen
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  Speaker 2: more of Abdul's great hits.
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  Speaker 4: On the removal of the whole people, pounded on the
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  Speaker 4: idea that we could popalize on whether or not.
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  Speaker 3: People as a function of the color of their skin
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  Speaker 3: could be enslaved with other people. Punded under the idea
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  Speaker 3: that all people are created equal all men, but that only.
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  Speaker 5: Met certain men.
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  Speaker 2: And now so is Michigan going to try to send
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  Speaker 2: this guy to the United States? Senate Mike Rogers will
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  Speaker 2: beat him. So maybe maybe I'm rooting for this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Davison for Hughes, stick.
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  Speaker 6: Around, give me a kiss, stop, build a dream on
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  Speaker 6: and my magination will drive upon that.
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  Speaker 2: Kids in chart history and first Days and stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I could have been fill in for you the great
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  Speaker 2: Louis Armstrong Kiss to Build a Dream on nineteen fifty one.
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  Speaker 2: That's fifty year o old Lewis doing that. Born this eight,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen oh one. Alrighty, Mark Davis in for you, And
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  Speaker 2: that means I get the opportunity to talk with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who are closely associated with the You program,
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  Speaker 2: which is always a joy. Big fan of the Ruthless podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which means I'm a big fan of John Ashbrook, who
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  Speaker 2: joins us from that noble crew. Hey, John, Mark Davis,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing? So nice to meet you, Mark.
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  Speaker 4: It is so great to hear your voice. And I
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  Speaker 4: can't tell you how flattered I am to hear you
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  Speaker 4: say that you like the Ruthless Podcast because I've been
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  Speaker 4: listening to you on radio for a very very long time.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the city of Dallas is super lucky to
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  Speaker 4: have a legend like yourself operating day in and day
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  Speaker 4: out in that market. And I just what a treat, Mark,
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  Speaker 4: What an absolute treat.
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  Speaker 2: No pressure. Let's see what kind of magic we can
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  Speaker 2: weave on this, because if things get cozy enough, I
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  Speaker 2: will prepare to In fact, I may go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: do it. You've been so kind to me. As a
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati guy, I'm gonna throw you some bonding love right now.
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  Speaker 2: Don't remember where I lived and my previous stops in life,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a franchise. It wasn't really fast food.
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  Speaker 2: It was like upper end fast food, and it was
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  Speaker 2: called g. D Ritzi's and they had Skyline they had
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  Speaker 2: Skyline Chili and it was it was probably like forty
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  Speaker 2: years ago. I said, well, what is Skyline Chili and
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  Speaker 2: something Cincinnati stuff? And I just could not get enough
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  Speaker 2: of it. You got you got your spaghetti, you got
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  Speaker 2: your chili, you got your cinnamon, and so, as a
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  Speaker 2: reds Bengal Cincinnati guy, I offer that to you. Is
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  Speaker 2: that Is that a touristy thing? Or did the Cincinnatians
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  Speaker 2: snarf Skyline Chili and large Large?
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  Speaker 4: It is to be If I had to choose my
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  Speaker 4: last meal on earth Mark, it would be Skyline Chili.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is so good and people in Cincinnati
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  Speaker 4: love it, although some people love another place called gold
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  Speaker 4: Star Empress Camp Washington. There are a lot of chili
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  Speaker 4: parlors around Cincinnati, and it is not chili like most
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  Speaker 4: of the people in Texas. Might be familiar with very
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  Speaker 4: very different different flavors, but it is good good, and
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  Speaker 4: I encourage everybody to give it a try. Love hate.
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  Speaker 4: Some people try it and they just hate it. It's okay,
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  Speaker 4: just try it.
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  Speaker 2: We all can't. We all just get along, all right?
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  Speaker 2: The people at Democrats in Michigan are gonna a little
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  Speaker 2: busting that was in Rodney King. People in Michigan Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are going to try to get along after they figure
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  Speaker 2: out this abdill lsi ed Hailey Stevens thing. Abdul leeds
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  Speaker 2: in the polls. Are they going to give us this
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  Speaker 2: guy as a gift so Mike Rodgers can win?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think this guy is going to win.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at any of the polls right now,
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  Speaker 4: it looks like he is running away with it in
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  Speaker 4: their primary against Haley Stevens. And that's not necessarily a
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  Speaker 4: bad thing for Republicans, But Michigan has been a difficult
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  Speaker 4: state for us to win a federal racing over the
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  Speaker 4: last twenty years or so. You might remember a guy
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  Speaker 4: named Bence Abraham was a senator back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: Last Republican to be a senator that represents that state.
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  Speaker 4: But Mike Rodgers is the Republican candidate, and he is
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  Speaker 4: running with a hell of a lot of momentum right now, Mark,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he says that if you only got two
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  Speaker 4: or three more votes per PRECYNCT around the state last time,
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  Speaker 4: he would have won, and he's taking that is great
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  Speaker 4: encouragement into this race facing a guy like Abdul l
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  Speaker 4: Sayed who has super radical views on everything, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: the more you learn about him, the more you dislike him.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things about this primary that Democrats have, Mark,
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  Speaker 4: is that it is so late in the cycle, you know,
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  Speaker 4: early mid August primary, and it's been so contentious. Haley
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  Speaker 4: Stevens Abdul Lsayed has spent millions against each other and
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  Speaker 4: they have absolutely brutalized one another's images. So right now,
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  Speaker 4: just to give you some numbers, El Saed has over
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  Speaker 4: eighty percent name I d in the state. But among
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  Speaker 4: that eighty percent who are familiar with him, they disapprove
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  Speaker 4: of his image by seven points. That's very difficult to overcome.
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  Speaker 4: Between now in November, the course, they're going to be
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  Speaker 4: spending an awful lot of money, but the Republicans are
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  Speaker 4: going to be spending a lot of money too. So
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  Speaker 4: some of the outside groups on the Republican side, Senate
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  Speaker 4: Leadership Fund, MAGA Inc. You know that they're going to
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  Speaker 4: come together and they are going to spend money to
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  Speaker 4: introduce Lsaed to the people who haven't heard of him
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  Speaker 4: yet in a way that it makes it clear that
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  Speaker 4: this is a radical who does not have the best
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  Speaker 4: interest in Michigan in mind.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not California, and it's not Illinois, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not New York. It is Michigan. It's a state that
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  Speaker 2: contains dearborn, which is like a carve out of another
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  Speaker 2: entire country. It is still America's heartland. So I really
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  Speaker 2: everybody keeps asking me, what do you think is going
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  Speaker 2: to happen? What do you think? And I really truly
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I know what the poll numbers say,
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  Speaker 2: but I think I just need to believe it when
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  Speaker 2: I see it, that Michiganders will elevate somebody who's been
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  Speaker 2: saying those kinds of radical things. Let me pivot to
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  Speaker 2: a larger midterm question, which which involves I started the
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  Speaker 2: show today by saying, we as Republicans, we got to
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  Speaker 2: do two things. Make people think we are competent and
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  Speaker 2: deserving to keep them major. We can't just rely on
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  Speaker 2: what you might call the those people are crazy factor,
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  Speaker 2: but they are crazy. Is it possible to overplay that hand?
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  Speaker 2: Or is just a steady diet of insanity from the
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  Speaker 2: Francesca Hongs of the Abdul al say Ed's and the
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  Speaker 2: Zorn Mom Donnie's. Is that just as good a content
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  Speaker 2: as any we can come up with.
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  Speaker 4: Don't hurt well Mark, you said it. They are doing
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  Speaker 4: it themselves. I mean, they're the ones who are putting
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  Speaker 4: communists forward. They're the ones who have the Mom Donnies
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  Speaker 4: and the Francesca hung I mean, this is the woman
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  Speaker 4: who's running for governor of Wisconsin who said she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: she wants to outlaw Thanksgiving. She's you know, she is
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  Speaker 4: as insane as anyone. And if you listen to Democrats themselves,
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  Speaker 4: David Axelrod, the current governor of Wisconsin, this guy named
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  Speaker 4: Tony Evers. Both those guys are our way left of center.
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  Speaker 4: They don't think that she can win a general election
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  Speaker 4: in the state of Wisconsin. I like to hear that,
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  Speaker 4: because you'd like to think that a lunatic like for
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  Speaker 4: Cheska Honk doesn't stand a chance in a Midwestern state,
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  Speaker 4: but you never know. These Democrats are backfilling all of
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  Speaker 4: their primaries with absolute insane people and does that play
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  Speaker 4: to Republicans benefit? It does, But in the cases where
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  Speaker 4: these people get through, it's very very bad for our country.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Mom, Donnie at the top of the conversation
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  Speaker 4: where he's starting a government run grocery store, where he
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  Speaker 4: is setting up lists of people who provide housing for
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  Speaker 4: a living in the city of New York. It's just
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  Speaker 4: it is, it's moving the conversation to a place where
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  Speaker 4: we just have never been. You know, there was a
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  Speaker 4: time when Republicans and Democrats generally agreed on the problem
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  Speaker 4: at hand, even if they disagreed on how to solve it.
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  Speaker 4: And right now you have Democrats who are so far left,
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  Speaker 4: and if Republicans aren't pointing this out, they're doing a disservice.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't I don't understand it. I don't understand
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  Speaker 4: why Democrats are moving to candidates who you would think
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  Speaker 4: are so far away from what general election voters want.
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  Speaker 4: You'd think that they'd try to backfill their party with
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  Speaker 4: people like George Pickens, people like Caleb Downs, like the
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  Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys did this offseason or last offseason so that
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  Speaker 4: they could make their team better. They're not doing that.
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  Speaker 4: And it's incumbent upon Republicans to make it very very
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  Speaker 4: clear this fall what the stakes are and what you
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  Speaker 4: get if you elect Democrats in their communist allies.
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  Speaker 2: Chronicle all of it on the Ruthless podcast. John Ashbrook,
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  Speaker 2: what a pleasure, and thanks so much for your kind words. Man.
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  Speaker 2: It means the world to me and I'm a huge
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  Speaker 2: fan in just every episode of Ruthless. Go check it out.
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  Speaker 2: That's John Ashbrook. So one of my eight tracks from
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  Speaker 2: the summer of seventy six Stephen Stills, and he's cleverly
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  Speaker 2: titled Illegal Stills little track called Soldier. There you go. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be arcane. There's gonna be some obscurity when
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  Speaker 2: I show up today. You got to get beyond the hits. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's no greater big no bigger hit. Long time listeners
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  Speaker 2: to the UUU Show, I've been hearing David M. Drucker
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. Long time guest hosts have talked
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  Speaker 2: to him for many, many occasions. It's great to hook
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  Speaker 2: up once again. David M. Drucker over the Dispatch Now
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  Speaker 2: you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Nice to have you, really good to hear it, really
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  Speaker 5: good to be here. And I love the eight track reference.
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  Speaker 2: I remember chug ump. I still remember. I record my
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  Speaker 2: own a tracks, and after you know, twelve or twenty
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  Speaker 2: four minutes, it would go chug ump, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: song you would recorded. And now when I hear those
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: songs on a CD or when I stream them, I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: still hear the chug gump as if it were the
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  Speaker 2: Carter administration. But enough about me. I've been looking at
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the various things you've been writing over at Dispatch, and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: one of them is the key question for tonight. Do
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  Speaker 2: Michigan Democrats want populism or pragmatism? What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: What evidence do you see?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first, let's start with Populism is a lot more
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  Speaker 5: popular than pragmatism these days, right, I mean on the
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  Speaker 5: right and the left. We've seen the rise of populist candidates.
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  Speaker 5: And l Sied is not just a populist, but he's
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  Speaker 5: a very good one. He's a very talented politician.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: The question is whether or not some of his more
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  Speaker 5: progressive or left wing views, particularly his refusal to recognize
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  Speaker 5: Israel's right to exist and to treat Israel, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: whatever its faults may be, as wholly different than the
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  Speaker 5: faults of other nations, of whose legitimacy he never undermines.
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  Speaker 5: But also look, he supports Medicare for all, right, socialized medicine.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't think Haley Stevens is all that centrist.
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  Speaker 5: It's just she's sort of your run of the mill
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  Speaker 5: liberal Democrat who supports liberal democratic policy. And the way
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  Speaker 5: she's positioned herself is somebody who wants to legislate and
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: recognizes that in order to get things done in Washington,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: you have to reach across the aisle. That's true both
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Democrats and Republicans, and both you know, right wing and
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: left wing voters get very annoyed by that. Why do
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  Speaker 5: we have to compromise? Why don't they compromise? But you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: to get things done, everybody has to compromise. And Napoleon
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  Speaker 5: has looked really good for lsied. I felt the energy
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  Speaker 5: when I was out there. I mean, his voters are committed.
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  Speaker 5: His message is a great, simple message, money out of politics,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: money in your pocket, Medicare for all. It works really well.
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  Speaker 5: Hailey Stevens is more of a conventional candidate. Although the
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: energy behind her campaigns improve somewhat.
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  Speaker 4: So I think the.
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  Speaker 5: Question is, as it always is, Mark, who's going to
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  Speaker 5: vote right? Because a lot of Michigan Democrats are not
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  Speaker 5: who you would consider these sort of left wing progressives,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: even though they don't show up at rallies. On the
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: other hand, we've seen both on the right and the
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  Speaker 5: left over the past few years, these populists candidates with
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: more ambitious goals do really well even with middle of
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  Speaker 5: the road voters.
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  Speaker 2: When you take a look at the possibility of an victory,
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  Speaker 2: is he easier for Mike Rogers to beat? I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: So the academic answer would be yes, he's easier to
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  Speaker 5: beat because he's more extreme. He's going to have a
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  Speaker 5: hard time appealing to soft Republicans and independents. But one
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  Speaker 5: thing you know, some Michigan Republicans have told me that
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: are concerned about the idea of l Sied being in
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: the Senate versus a Hailey Stevens, is that the Democratic
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: nominee for Governor, Jocelyn Benson, is favored and could win
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: in a cycle like this, could win her race by
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: anywhere from six to eleven points, let's say, And that's
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of updraft for the Democratic nominee for Senate,
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  Speaker 5: no matter who it is. And you know, I would
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: sort of point to twenty twenty five and Abigail Spanberger's
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  Speaker 5: massive victory in Virginia. Don't forget the Democratic nominee for
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Attorney General in Virginia was dealing with scandal down the
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: stretch of his campaign, but the updraft from Spanburger helped
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  Speaker 5: him win going away, even though his margin of victory
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: was so much less than spam Burger's. And so I
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  Speaker 5: don't think you can just automatically say it's it's a
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  Speaker 5: much easier race, or even an easy race for Rogers,
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  Speaker 5: given you know, just the politics of a of a
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  Speaker 5: of a political atmosphere that favors the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 2: In our last couple of minutes, let's go back to
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  Speaker 2: the previous piece you had written in the Dispatch that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I was greatly interested in. It was about a month ago.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The paradox of Gavin Newsom is the fact that he
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: has become a paradox, which I think is a downgrade
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: from him being the obvious heir apparent. Is the bloom
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: just kind of starting to come off of that rose.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know Here's what I would tell you is
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: the early front runner for president other than Donald Trump,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: it almost always runs into trouble at least you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: over the past twenty five years now. There have been exceptions, right,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, George W. Bush heading into two thousand was
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: the front runner, remained the front runner. And you know
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: John McCain, you know, heading into two thousand was the
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Republican front runner. Remain the front runner. But a lot
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: of times, you know, we see the people that are
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: the big name this far out, everybody focuses on them
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: because they're the big name, and their faults become more
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: known that their detractors get louder, and so, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think Gavin Newsom is still in the mix and
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: still has a good chance as much as anybody else,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: but he's gonna have to fight for it. And he
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: has a lot of obvious flaws as I reported in
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: that piece, that he's going to have to deal with,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: but he also has some upside that could benefit him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: And so I'm just always cautious. I'm cautious when somebody
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: looks like they're the one, uncautious when somebody looks like
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: they're not the one.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Last sixty seconds, I found my copy of In Trump's Shadow,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: which is now nearly a five year old book. Right,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: How does it stand up to what is what is
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the status of Trump's Shadow right now?
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Well? I think what ended up standing up about the
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: book was that the party was shifting into a party
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: that reflected Donald Trump versus reflecting Ronald Reagan. And I
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: mean that for most of my lifetime as a as
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: an adult and getting involved in politics, every four years,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Republicans would run to be the next Ronald Reagan. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: what we've seen since the rise of Trump and particularly now,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: is everybody running on the Republican side that's viable at
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: least to be the next Donald Trump. That holds up
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: how Trump sort of looks at himself and his politics
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: holds up. And I think if you read the chapter
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: on Marco Rubio in many ways, that also holds up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it does, as does little Marco now that he
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: is arguably the second most powerful person in the world.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: David M. Drucker on Twitter, or check him out in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the Dispatch, Bloomberg, etcetera, etcetera, and go get that copy
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of In Trump Shadow. It's kind of fun to read
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: stuff from a few years ago. Through today's window. David M.
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  Speaker 2: Drucker Arty, Mark Davison for you phone numbers one, eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred and five to two oh one two three four,
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  Speaker 2: three four. We've got some questions to ask of you.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to sort of shoehorn them into this final segment,
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  Speaker 2: carry them over into the next hour. We're going to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: talk to Byron York in the next hour. Holy cow,
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  Speaker 2: look at the lineup today. It's Mark Davison for Hugh Hewett,
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  Speaker 2: I supposed its Summer of eighty six, some late stage journey.
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  Speaker 2: The album raised on radio as girl Can't help it
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  Speaker 2: on May but let's do a deep cunt that's called
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  Speaker 2: it could have been You, Steve Perry and the Boys
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  Speaker 2: from forty summers ago. When I see that Byron York
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: is going to be on a show, my spirits go up,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: A smile grows wide. I know I'm up for some
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: quality analysis. When I'm hosting a show and it looks
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: like Byron York is going to be on it, my
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: mood improves even more. Byron is here, and I'm thrilled.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But my mood is thus crushed as I take a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: look at his brand new piece called what if Republicans
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: lose both the House and the Senate? Thanks Debbie Downer,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing? Byron? Welcome and a happy Tuesday.
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  Speaker 8: Happy to say to you? Are you Are you like
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: spinning records now? Or are we still still?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Every time every time I come in, I figure I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: might as well hit the post, might as well up
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: some hot wax from summer's gone by, just to light
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: lighten the mood. I know, seriously, and Lord knows, we
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: need to lighten the mood as you, very very responsibly
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and soberly take a look at what Well, listen, everybody
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: read the piece, but what is the executive summary of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: what if Republicans lose both the House and Senate. Trump
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: is still there, But what in the world was will
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: his life and hours look like?
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  Speaker 8: Well, it dawned on me that I've been spending almost
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: all my time analyzing the midterms in terms of how
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: the president's party would do with the House of Representatives,
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: and I've been pretty pessimistic as far as Republicans holding
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: the House, and I think they're gonna Uh. In this piece,
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: I say five reasons why they're probably not going to
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: hold the House. Their current majority is everybody knows, is
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: just absolutely so narrow that even losing literally a handful
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: of seats, they lose control. They are hurt by the
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: president's job approval rating, which is now I think, dip
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: just below thirty nine percent in the Real Clear Politics
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: average polls. Not one bad poll with the Real Clear
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Politics averaging polls, the generic ballot that political professionals talk
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: about shows that voters would prefer more. Voters would prefer
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: Democrat to represent them in Congress than a Republican. The
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: War Iran in the Greater Middle East continuing source of
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: uncertainty problems. And finally, the historical precedent, which is president's
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: parties almost always lose seats in the House. Now that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: the House. I will say, you know, this time six
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: months ago, nine months ago, I would have thought, well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: it doesn't look good for the House, but the Senate
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: will be fine. Because Republicans have fifty three seats. Democrats
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: would have to pick up four seats to win the majority.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: That's a lot, and it just didn't see it being possible.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Now I am a little less sanguine about it, and
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: I think the possibility of the Republicans losing four seats
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: is unlikely but still quite possible. And since it's Michigan
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: primary day, if Abdull I'll say ed Is becomes a
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: Democratic nominee in Michigan, and if Mike Rogers beats him,
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: that is, picks up a seat for Republicans. Democrats would
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: have to win five seats to win control. Now that
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: that's almost a straight straight but it's it's possible, but
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: it makes it much harder.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to ask you, because
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying to sit here and predict.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I won't even predict the abduel ilsa ed Win tonight,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: much less of Mike Rogers win over him. But both
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: of those are very plausible. I will tell you from
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: right here in Texas, there is zero chance of taller
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Eco beating Paxton. So where do they find five seats?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And we don't have to go, you know, to the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: big you know, Harry Entton Map of the United States
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and go full Steve Karnaki or whatever. But I that
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: five is a high number. Buyer, that's a.
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: High I can't. I can't do a Harry into imitation,
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: although I should. Actually, it's good that you mentioned this
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: year in Texas, so I talk to me about about
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: the Texas race. Tallerico is a just a terrible, terrible candidate.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: I don't think Ken Paxson is a very good candidate myself.
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: And when you look at twenty eighteen, one of the
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: last times that Democrats had a really, really terrible candidate,
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: which was in better Rourke ran against Ted Cruz. Cruise
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: led in the polls all the way through the race
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: and ends up winning I think by about one point
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: five percentage points Closter than I thought it would be, right,
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: and so Eroric did better than I thought he would.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: In my view, Ted Cruise, the incumbent in twenty eighteen,
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: was a better candid than Ken Paxton today in twenty
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  Speaker 8: twenty six. I know Tallarrico's a terrible candidate, but I
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: just think there's a possibility and anything.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Anything's possible obviously mathematically and anything exactly.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Here's why in the practical rant.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, Ted Cruz was a lazy campaign. He's not
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a lazy man. He took Beta O'Rourke for granted, Beta O'Rourke,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and this kills me because he makes my teeth fetch
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: was a really smart campaigner, which Tallarico is not. Beta
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: O'Rourke didn't walk around misquoting the Bible or telling everybody
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: there were six genders. Tallarico is poison to the genuine
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Texas frame of mind. Does Paxton have issues, Sure he does,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but they're not the kind of thing that has lost
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: him hardly any support from his actual sizable red state
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: fan base. That's why Tallarico has zero chance.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, well let's start then with North Carolina. Uh,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: that doesn't look good for Republicans. Okay, well that's that's one.
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: It's just one scene. Then you have Iowa and Ohio,
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: and both of those could go either way. You know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: what can you say? They could go either way? You know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: especially in Ohio John Houston the candidate who was appointed
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: by the governor when JD. Vance became vice president, so
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: he hadn't starved a long time, hadn't been elected to
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: the seed, et cetera. Okay, Then you have Maine and
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: you have Alaska. My belief is that Susan Collins will
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: win in Maine, but I don't know. Here. Again, you
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: have to remember the energy that we are seeing on
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: the progressive side, in which terrible candidates get nominations. Does
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: that mean they win general elections. I'm not going to
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: say they do, but I am going to say they
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: got a lot of energy behind them. So if you
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: look at those states, they're enough to cause the Republicans'
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: real problems.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Byron York, this is this is why we love him.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: This is why even when he writes things that are
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit hard to see and read and hear
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and absorb. It's still important because it's a call it tough.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Love the great Byron York and the Examiner. Thank you, Byron,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: have a great, great rest of your to day, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.