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Women cure loneliness by outlawing rejects! | HBR Talk 416 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to HBR Talk 416, Women Cure Loneliness
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  Speaker 1: by Outlying Rejects. I'm your host Hannah Wallin, here with
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  Speaker 1: nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson,
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  Speaker 1: Richard the Lionhearted, and the doge in charge, Brian Martinez,
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  Speaker 1: working in the background to make everything happen. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't give anybody a chance to say hi. Say hi, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Hi in a foreign language. There we go. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the subject matter, of course, we
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  Speaker 2: Of the page.
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  Speaker 1: So, today, we are starting out with one thing and
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  Speaker 1: then moving on to other things, because I did still
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  Speaker 1: want to This comment has to have its own little blurb.
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  Speaker 1: And it's... I wish I had thought to load up
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  Speaker 1: the thing that the game host said to... Shoot, now
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of the name of the Adam Sandler
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  Speaker 1: character either. But, you know, the thing about everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the room now being dumber for having listened to it.
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  Speaker 1: This is a lot like... curing homelessness by ordering people
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  Speaker 1: to have houses, outlawing homelessness, maybe these guys should make
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  Speaker 1: effort to socialize themselves. And I will remind you, this
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  Speaker 1: is from the comment by Shadowclaw. Women control access to sex.
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  Speaker 2: And relationships.
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  Speaker 1: And relationships, yes. Women control access to socialization, to normal socialization.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, women own rape. I should have said crepe.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I might have got demonetized already.
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  Speaker 1: We've been demonetized for years. Yeah, nobody– well, they see
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  Speaker 1: ads on our channel still. We just don't get paid
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  Speaker 1: for it. YouTube does this really hypocritical thing where they
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  Speaker 1: show ads on your channel. But they claim that you're
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  Speaker 1: not advertiser friendly, so they demonetize you. But I just
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  Speaker 1: want to remind everybody, my channel got demonetized before Honey
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  Speaker 1: Badger Radio did.
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  Speaker 4: Just saying.
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  Speaker 1: Just saying. And you know what my crime was? I
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  Speaker 1: said that if women are going to insist on the
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  Speaker 1: enthusiastic consent standard, then in order to deserve it, Attention,
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  Speaker 1: sexual attention from men, they must show enthusiasm. That's kind
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  Speaker 1: of logical, I thought. But, right after that, it didn't
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  Speaker 1: go viral, but it did get about 300,000 views. That's
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  Speaker 1: when I got demonetized. It's also when Reddit's videos, our videos, subreddit,
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  Speaker 1: banned political videos. There were two videos that happened like
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  Speaker 1: rapid fire, and everybody always says that it was Shoe
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  Speaker 1: on Head's video, but she had other videos that made
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  Speaker 1: it to the front page on that, on our videos.
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  Speaker 1: People already were liking her videos. That was the only
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  Speaker 1: one I ever had that went that far, and as
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  Speaker 1: soon as it did, boom. There's now a site called
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  Speaker 1: Our Political Videos. that you had to put your political
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  Speaker 1: videos in. They were relocated to the corner away from
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  Speaker 1: the other videos.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We shall cure loneliness by suggesting that these men are
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  Speaker 1: not allowed to be lonely. They must make an effort
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  Speaker 1: to socialize themselves.
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  Speaker 3: If they don't, they're incels, and they must be destroyed.
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  Speaker 4: Women ban all the men places. They would ban the
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  Speaker 4: game workshop if they could.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's another problem, too. How exactly do you socialize yourself?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think these men are going to do?
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  Speaker 3: I think it has something to do with socialism.
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  Speaker 1: Because who are they supposed to socialize with?
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  Speaker 3: That's how you turn a verb into a noun, right?
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  Speaker 3: You turn the ism into an ism. So to socialize,
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  Speaker 3: you require socialism, just like to feminize requires feminism. If
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  Speaker 3: you refer to dictionaries from the 1800s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just stare at the wall.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: So is this reluctant activist inviting men to approach women?
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  Speaker 1: and attempt to socialize with.
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  Speaker 2: Them, I wonder?
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  Speaker 4: Because I'm a little.
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  Speaker 2: Confused.
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  Speaker 1: So not the ones that Shadowclaw was talking about, in
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  Speaker 1: other words. Not the guys that actually need help learning
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  Speaker 1: the correct social habits to have. Not the ones.
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  Speaker 2: People like me are not welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Not the ones who need to be socialized. They're not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to socialize themselves by attempting to socialize with women.
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  Speaker 4: In the UK, you can get thrown in prison if
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  Speaker 4: a woman doesn't find you attractive.
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  Speaker 1: So if you speak to a woman and she was
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  Speaker 1: not anticipating and hoping for you to speak to her,
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  Speaker 1: what happens?
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  Speaker 2: You get thrown in jail.
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  Speaker 1: You get thrown in jail.
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  Speaker 4: Or what we call a holding cell.
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  Speaker 2: Then you get processed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, second.
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  Speaker 1: I am seeing in the Rumble chat that the after
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  Speaker 1: show link just got posted in the Rumble chat. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so there will be delay. Well, I create a new
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  Speaker 1: after show after the show. But while we're at it.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 1: So it's already done. Thank goodness. I'm like that just
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  Speaker 1: threw me all of a sudden. I see that like
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shit. Everything is screwed up with Rumble lately.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: You're not as screwed up as it is with YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Which is why I use Rumble for
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  Speaker 1: the after show, because we can't accidentally say things in
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  Speaker 1: there that'll get us banned. The stuff that would get
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  Speaker 1: us banned on Rumble isn't stuff that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: say anyway. Because nobody here is going to be planning
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  Speaker 1: a crime out loud or.
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  Speaker 3: Anything like that. What does it take to get banned
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  Speaker 3: on Rumble? I'm interested.
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  Speaker 1: Well, planning a crime together on the channel would probably
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it would do.
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  Speaker 1: That would definitely... They wouldn't appreciate that. Or if we
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  Speaker 1: threatened violence against anybody. But y'all know I'm too lazy
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  Speaker 1: to do that, right? So that ain't gonna happen. But, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Since we're on YouTube....
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there it is. There's what I was looking for. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking for... I was looking for.
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  Speaker 1: There was a flash of blue. And then it all
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  Speaker 1: caught up. And then there's the link. And I'm like
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  Speaker 1: oh shit. But no there was a rumble rant. On
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  Speaker 1: the chat. For the original. Rumble link. Existence of technical difficulties.
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  Speaker 1: Proves the badgers are real. And have not been replaced
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  Speaker 1: by puppets. So there we go. That was from. OIC
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  Speaker 1: and Wally. Gave us a dollar and said that. Then
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  Speaker 1: we have Richard Bier gave us. five dollars and said
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  Speaker 1: so I will ask this week about how the Waffle
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  Speaker 1: House experience was for Doc and Lauren this is the
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  Speaker 1: first tangent of the night the second tangent could be
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  Speaker 1: the holy shit show and tell exhibit that Hannah and
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  Speaker 1: Lauren saw as an illustration of the cost of inattentiveness
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know I guess he's asking did you
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  Speaker 1: guys like Waffle House was it A-OK?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fine.
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  Speaker 2: It was good.
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  Speaker 3: I had a waffle. I had one waffle. It was fine.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even a very thick waffle. But it was, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was great.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot to try Belgian waffles. I forgot to try
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  Speaker 1: your waffle, but that was good. It was good. For
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  Speaker 1: Diner Fruit, it was very, very good. I was very happy.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody started any fights. I've been presented with this stereotype
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  Speaker 3: that when you go to Waffle House, you're guaranteed to
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  Speaker 3: see people fighting each other. Everyone was very cordial and
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  Speaker 3: quite polite.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's because the sun was still out, okay? That's why.
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  Speaker 1: also we were in beaver creek we were not in
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  Speaker 1: dayton proper um so basically you know if um if
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  Speaker 1: we were to behave badly there we would all get
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  Speaker 1: arrested post haste just just uh just so you know
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  Speaker 1: like this would definitely be a an issue um but
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  Speaker 1: but yeah Now we have, I'm getting back to the
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  Speaker 1: correct rumble chat and I see we have another rumble
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  Speaker 1: rant now that I can see it. Um, I had
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  Speaker 1: to fix that, but, oh, I see him. Now he
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  Speaker 1: says celebratory rumble rant and there's a doge and a spinny,
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  Speaker 1: whatever that thing is. It's too small for me to, uh,
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  Speaker 1: quite recognize. It looks like a triangle. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: a piece of kibble from dog food, actually. that's spinning
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  Speaker 1: in different colors. So let me get rid of all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that's in front of my window now. So
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  Speaker 1: the reason that I wanted to talk about this is
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  Speaker 1: because this is one of the issues that you see.
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  Speaker 1: If a problem affects women, if there had been a
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  Speaker 1: post about How hard it is for women to find
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  Speaker 1: partners because men... Well, actually, look at how hard it
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  Speaker 1: is for fat chicks to find partners because men want
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  Speaker 1: healthy girlfriends, healthy wives and stuff, right? Or the response
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  Speaker 1: to how hard it is for women who are overly promiscuous,
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  Speaker 1: women with a body count that's higher than their fucking
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  Speaker 1: IQ or something, to find someone to settle down with
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  Speaker 1: because men don't want every STI... on the spectrum, there's groups,
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  Speaker 1: there's movements, there's even a push for anti-misogyny laws, right?
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  Speaker 1: There's changes in policy that, you know, they want your
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  Speaker 1: doctor to stop telling you that it's unhealthy to be
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  Speaker 1: fat because it makes women feel bad when they hear that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they want.
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  Speaker 1: Bosses to not be allowed to discriminate against women because
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  Speaker 1: they're fat and they want men to be shamed into
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  Speaker 1: dating fat girls even if they are not interested in
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  Speaker 1: them um so i mean seeing on the on the
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  Speaker 1: verbal chat or verbal or on the vertical chat they
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  Speaker 1: think it's uh silent they think this show is silent
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  Speaker 1: um That's kind of weird because of the sounds going
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  Speaker 1: out to the regular YouTube chat. It should be going
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  Speaker 1: out to the other one. But the thing is, if
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  Speaker 1: somebody had responded to, say, the fat acceptance movement or
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  Speaker 1: the anti-slut shaming movement or anything like that with, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe women should make themselves more attractive. Maybe women should
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  Speaker 1: pair up with guys that have the same morals that
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  Speaker 1: they do. Uh, and, and before you say, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: just for the slut shaming thing. No, obesity can very
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  Speaker 1: much be a moral issue. Right. And if you happen
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  Speaker 1: to be dealing with both, um, you know, where you're
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  Speaker 1: obese and a slut and not, not the good kind
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  Speaker 1: where you're just slutty with your dude, but the type
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  Speaker 1: where like any, any port in a storm and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: If there's not a storm, you create one because your
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  Speaker 1: port gets dry otherwise. You really end up being very
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  Speaker 1: off-putting when you're in that situation, when you're that person.
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  Speaker 1: If you're that kind and you're also obese, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: unlikely to find somebody who wants to marry you. You
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  Speaker 1: tell women that and they have a temper tantrum. You
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  Speaker 1: tell women that and you get hundreds of responses, thousands
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  Speaker 1: on social media.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you?
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  Speaker 1: They will arrange fat slut walks. Don't give them any ideas, right?
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  Speaker 1: The next thing you know, half of them are like
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  Speaker 1: that anyway.
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  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be a fat walk, it'd be a scooter
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  Speaker 4: walk on their muscles.
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  Speaker 1: The slut scoot. You know you've really hit the jackpot
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  Speaker 1: when the scooter just leaves a trail of slime. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in any case, the point being, women who complain about this,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter if they have a way out.
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  Speaker 1: If they would just maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Adjust their lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: A lot. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: 303 says the slut role. I like that better. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If they could. Improve their situation. If
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  Speaker 1: you tell them. They could improve their situation. And men
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have to change for them. All hell breaks loose.
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  Speaker 1: So here we have. The discussion. That the reason. Boys
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  Speaker 1: do not grow up. to be socialized, that many boys
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  Speaker 1: are isolated their whole teenage years, you know, their whole adolescence.
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  Speaker 1: And then when they enter adulthood, they're not really prepared
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  Speaker 1: to deal with women in the workplace, to deal with
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  Speaker 1: women in their daily lives, going to the store, doing
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  Speaker 1: business with any entity out there that they have to
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  Speaker 1: do business with. because they have not learned how to
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  Speaker 1: socialize with women. And you point out the fact that
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  Speaker 1: because women basically give away sex so lightly when they're dating,
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  Speaker 1: they're a lot more picky about who they socialize with,
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  Speaker 1: since anyone they socialize with could be a potential sex partner.
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  Speaker 1: When potential sex partner was limited, very strictly limited, to
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  Speaker 1: long-term relationship partner or husband, women would chit-chat, women would
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  Speaker 1: exchange pleasantries. If you asked a woman directions, she would
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  Speaker 1: give you directions, not scream and say, don't talk to me, creep,
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  Speaker 1: unless you were trying to do something scary that you
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing, which is a rare thing. But now,
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  Speaker 1: what guys have been through in the last 30 years
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  Speaker 1: or so, is this escalating change of behavior among women
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  Speaker 1: where all you have to do is walk past, look
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  Speaker 1: at her, and smile politely, and you have offended. You
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  Speaker 1: don't even have to say anything anymore. Just stand nearby.
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  Speaker 2: Sit nearby.
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  Speaker 1: In the seat on the public bus. That is across
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  Speaker 1: from the seat where she's sitting. Or in front or
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  Speaker 1: behind the seat where she's sitting. And you have offended.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's all it takes.
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  Speaker 1: Sit with your knees more than an inch apart. And
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  Speaker 1: you have offended.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Sit beside her on public transport. And she'll go through
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  Speaker 1: the roof. But sure. Maybe those guys should make effort.
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  Speaker 1: maybe she meant an effort, make effort to socialize themselves.
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  Speaker 3: You recently said something about women giving sex away. And
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  Speaker 3: I have to push back on that, of the very
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  Speaker 3: idea that it's women who give sex away. The idea
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  Speaker 3: that men receive sex and women give it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I know this Yeah, you know that's not what
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  Speaker 1: I meant.
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  Speaker 3: It's easily– it's an easy turn of phrase to fall–
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  Speaker 3: But be honest.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's not what I meant.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But I still... For the sake of the audience, I
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  Speaker 3: feel it's important to point out that men and women
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  Speaker 3: give sex to each other and take sex from each other.
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  Speaker 3: It's just this.
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  Speaker 3: Because we're such a gynocentric society, that we think of
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  Speaker 3: sex that is something given from women to men.
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  Speaker 1: Let's unpack that for a minute, though. Because we are
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  Speaker 1: getting into an issue not too long ago. And this
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  Speaker 1: is actually where the tweet that started this, if I
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  Speaker 1: can go back up here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This tweet here, women do not owe you sex, women
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  Speaker 1: do not owe you sex, however many times this person
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  Speaker 1: decided to stomp their dirty little feet and shout into
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  Speaker 1: the internet, which Shadowclaw was responding to. The discussion that
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  Speaker 1: was taking place between feminists, and I think the red
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  Speaker 1: pillars initially, like the conservative, trad-con, And pick up artist
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  Speaker 1: spectrum there, like the ones between looking for a committed
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  Speaker 1: relationship and thinking that they can find their way sneakily
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  Speaker 1: through the wall of misandry into feminist pants. But the
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  Speaker 1: discussion essentially was, when you're married, you're in a marriage,
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  Speaker 1: it is most of the time, not always, I can
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you, not always. But most of the time, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be true that there's going to be an
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  Speaker 1: uneven set of libidos. Your libido and your partner's libido
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  Speaker 1: are not going to match. There's going to be one
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  Speaker 1: partner that gets the horny more frequently than the other partner.
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  Speaker 1: And most of the time, and again, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: say it's not always the way that things are, but
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  Speaker 1: most of the time, the partner who gets the horny wins.
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  Speaker 1: more often than the other partner is male, right? And
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  Speaker 1: so that is why it is common parlance to say
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  Speaker 1: that women give away sex because it is usually the
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  Speaker 1: male partner in a couple who is more frequently initiating,
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  Speaker 1: more frequently trying to get the other partner turned on,
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  Speaker 1: trying to arouse a partner who doesn't start out aroused
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  Speaker 1: at the same time as he does, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's not because men are hornier than women. I reject
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  Speaker 3: this notion.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that men are hornier than women, but it
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  Speaker 1: is that men's libido gets set off more frequently than
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  Speaker 1: women's libido does in, again, most relationships. But it's not
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  Speaker 1: always the case, and it is quite– It's quite well researched, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Both sexes do have libido. Both sexes have things that
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  Speaker 1: set it off that are different from the other sex.
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  Speaker 1: And both sexes do have things that are like an
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  Speaker 1: off button that are different from the other sex, too.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times, if you're at odds with
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: each other in regard to that, it makes things difficult.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Some things are somebody's on button and somebody else's off
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: button at the same time. So now this isn't just
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: with the human species. This is with all species. And
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it is one of the reasons why women have been
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: successfully able for centuries to use sex as a form
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of leverage against men. Because it's more of an impulse response.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Like an undeniable impulse. For men. More of a need
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: for men. It's still a need for women. But it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a lot like. It's a lot like a person who consumes.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Who burns. Like. 8000 calories a day. Is going to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: have a bigger. Appetite for food. Than an individual who burns.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: 3000 calories a day.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously, similarly, the person who burns 8,000 calories a day
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is probably going to have that appetite set off by
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: things that don't set off the appetite of the person
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: who consumes 3,000 calories a day.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think calories even necessarily translate to.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Libido, I think it has much more to do with
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that men are taught that they need women and women
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: are taught that they don't need men. Now, this is not.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: No, it's biological. There's a biological imperative to have sex.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Even men who aren't interested in women still are interested
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in sex. So this idea that men are taught they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: need women can go out the window. Gay men fuck too.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: What about lesbians?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But not as much. I can tell you that. Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: And as lesbians age, it becomes a lot less about
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: sex and a lot more about other things until they
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: hit right before menopause. And then all of a sudden
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it's like when you suddenly realize you're you're just about
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to that deadline and you write furiously because you forgot
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to do your entire essay. The point is, the reason
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that it is common parlance is because it is and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: has been for thousands of years, not just a social norm,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: but a biological norm, that it is more often the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: woman who needs to be persuaded to if consensual sex
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is to take place. And it's not rational or reasonable
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to try to deny that fact. It's really more wistful thinking.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't see a lot of men wandering the
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: streets dressed like prostitutes.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: No, because you can't manipulate women by doing that. They
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: wander the streets... dressed like tough guys or dressed like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: someone in a uniform, depending on what kind of job
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they do, you can manipulate women doing that. Men do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the same thing as special occasions.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Like if you're at a funeral or a wedding, like
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: men dress in suits because it's the smart thing to do.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And men do the same thing in nightclubs. They wear
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: fucking Ben Sherman shirts and posh trousers.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They show... They show signs of being what actually attracts women.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Modesty, yes.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: No, it's not modesty that attracts women. It is actually
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: somewhat the opposite. Bragging about your wealth, not by speaking words,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but by showing. Looking confident. Looking powerful. Looking like somebody that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: You know. Has control over some people. Or some money.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It's much more likely. It's much more likely. Than showing
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: your chest. Or your ass. Even if you are. Built
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: like He-Man.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Women will. Make a show. Of oogling guys. That look
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like He-Man. But the guys they're fucking are the guys
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that look like they have money. They're fucking the guys
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that look like they're in charge of something. They're fucking
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the guys that look like they're tried and true. Wearing
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a wedding ring kind of helps too. They're fucking the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: guys that look like they've been picked by another woman.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: The thing is, when you look at what men watch
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: when they want to get themselves turned on versus what
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: women watch when they want to get themselves turned on,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Just comparing visual to visual, men watch things that have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of female orgasms in them. Women watch things
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that have a lot of men choking women and raping them.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Not kidding. Again, research shows this. And I don't have
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: it handy because it wasn't going to be the subject.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But the fact is, women.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: While they don't necessarily overtly want to be dominated, they
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: do get turned on by the idea. They do get
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: turned on by the guy who knows his weight and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: how to carry it and how to use it without
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: looking like he's throwing it around like an asshole. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: when women want to be turned on, not necessarily visually,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: they read about the most weird and perverse things. Like, um,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And this was new to me because I never really
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: got into the whole romance novel industry. Like that wasn't
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: my thing. If I wanted to read something remotely like
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a romance novel, I sort of stole my brother's Conan books.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: But no, I mostly read science fiction and horror novels and,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, Sex was usually inconsequential. It might be part
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of the story, but it really wasn't the story. Just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like in the Conan novels, it really wasn't the story.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas these women that like these types of books, sex
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is the story. But the setting is weird, the characters
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: are fucked up, and the sex itself is fucked up.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And I did not have any idea how bad it was.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Until I became a fan of a particular anime played
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: on Cartoon Network when I was pregnant with my son.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And I stumbled into a forum of fanfics for that anime.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And holy hell! It's not just a degeneracy, it's the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: what-the-fuckism of this weird-ass shit that women... write for other women,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and girls write for other women and girls to read
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: about their favorite anime characters. Just to clue you in,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this was an anime called Inuyasha, which the main characters
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: are like high school age. And I thought it was adorable.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And it's a cute, sweet, pretty innocent anime. For teenagers.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: The male lead. Is a dog demon. He's like. Well
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in English we say demon. But I think the term
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is actually just spirit. Dog spirit. But in any case.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He's like. Almost like. The way these things look like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: They're kind of like pukas almost. But a little bit meaner.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And more. godlike than pukas they're really weird creatures and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: they're apparently there's all different kinds of animals you know
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the people that know what i'm talking about are going
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to laugh about how awkwardly i'm trying to describe this
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: but i know i'm describing it to people also who
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: have never heard of the shit and the female lead
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is human and so the um the fanfics got weird
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because there were Like I said, all kinds of different
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: animals could be these types of spirits. One of the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: spirits was the spirit of a comb that was used
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to comb the hair of the dead. And that was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: how she was created. That's how a spirit was born.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Sort of like how male orcs are depicted as giant
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: subhuman corruptions of males. But female orcs just look like sexy...
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: humans with green skin it's like male demons male demons
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: uh look like subhuman.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Um hell no any female.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Demons look like sexy humans with red skin.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Let's see if i can find an image here i'll
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: show you what i'm talking about if i can find
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: an image of this character okay yeah no there's this
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: these characters are not uh creepy at all There we go. Like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: they're adorable. The creator that made this made another one
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: about a boy who got cursed by falling in a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: cursed pond, a cursed pool. And thereafter, I can't remember
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the temperatures. I think it's every time hot water gets
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: thrown on him or cold water gets thrown on him,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he turns into a girl. And every time hot water
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: gets thrown on him, turns back into a dude. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: all the awkward situations that creates. Especially after he moves
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in with his fiancée. People are going to tell me
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the name of it. Ranma. It is similarly innocent and adorable.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: The characters actually look similar. Because the artist is similar.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can show you. And images,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that's the dad turns into a panda.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I resent that remark.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's an art style that is intended to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: be cute and innocent for kids, right? So there's not
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of scariness to this. Even the scary
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: monsters aren't really that scary. but as you go through
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and there's always romantic tension and all kinds of stuff
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: but never the full romance it's a cute, sweet, adorable
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and very innocent anime but when chicks write fanfiction they
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: shipped characters In the story, they were incompatible, but it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: actually even weirder. Some of the stuff that I saw,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and of course, there was a lot of dominant bullshit
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and rape fantasies and you name it, perverse things that
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: feminists will be absolutely aghast that you think women think
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: those things were in those stories right absolutely perverse.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Maybe those women should make effort to nationalize.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Themselves yeah the point is it's not the kind of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: stuff that guys get turned on by it's kind of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: stuff that girls get turned on by so there is
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: an incompatibility uh between the mentality of men and the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: mentality of women with regard to sex And that also
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: leaves men in the cold and as the askers and
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: not in a situation of consistent mutual initiation. So it
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: is fair to say when women screw around, they are
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: giving away sex like it means nothing because they're not
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: making a connection being intimate with someone. They're just getting
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: off on someone and getting that person off and then
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: walking away. And it does change the type of person
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that you are when you do that a lot. It
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: creates a degree of being jaded and a degree of solipsism.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And I've had enough friends that I've seen this happen
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to I don't know anybody that has behaved that way
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that hasn't turned out that way. But I don't know
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: it from the inside, so I don't know all of
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: why it happens. I have my theories. The other end
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of it is when you do that, as a female
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: in particular, when you do that, it's kind of It
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: takes the meaning away from it. It's no longer special.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It's no longer intimate. And when you want to settle
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: down with somebody, he's always going to have to worry
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that it's not special or intimate with him either.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right. So.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: On one hand, you have that situation where women are
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: screwing around like rabbits. but only with that guy that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: sort of checks enough boxes from their sick fantasies of
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: being raped by a dog demon or a minotaur or
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a werewolf or a vampire or whatever monster under the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: bed decides to climb up and have a little fun.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But isn't quite scary enough that they run away from him.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And then they don't socialize with the guy that, you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: actually might care about them. The guy who might sit
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and talk for hours, right? I still can't get over
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that Minotaur milking whatever. Allison made me listen to her
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: read some of that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: She made me read it out for fucking an hour
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: or two. I was traumatizing.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We need the rapist, therapist, the rapist, whatever. I need
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the rapist. But yeah. So I don't know if that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: makes sense, but my point is when it comes to sex,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: men and women are often two different species, entire species.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: When you look inside the brain or inside the mind
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: as opposed to just the biological end of it, the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: rest of the biological end of it. And it does
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: make it a– although men aren't taking sex from women,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: women are acting like it's nothing when they share it
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: around like it's nothing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It's a very old adage that– men can't feel loved
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: until they've had sex, and women can't have sex until
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: they feel loved. And in light of that, we're just fucked.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: How have we got this far?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Given that situation.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It used to be normal that if a kid gets
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to the age where they're old enough to start dating...
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that they would wait until they got an introduction from
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: somebody else. And then dating meant spending a lot of
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: time together on a platonic level before you even got
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to start acting kind of sort of romantic, like holding
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: hands and stuff like that. And there is usually an
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: adult around to ensure that you didn't do anything stupid. And,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of course, over time, that died out. It probably got expensive.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And there were other things, too. While the woman was
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: bringing only sex to the table if she was broke,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and the guy is bringing his whole earning capacity, connection
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to his family, and his... biological capabilities, his protectiveness, and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: so on. The fact that the heavy work around the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: homestead is going to be done by him. So what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: do you do to balance that out? If a woman
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't have all that, obviously she's going to have the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: caregiver role, but the caregiver role itself still doesn't quite
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: measure up to everything the man's bringing in. So she's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: not connected to in a familial way, like somebody in
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: her family is a high-ranking official or some wealthy business
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: owner or something along those lines, she better come with
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a dowry. And historically, that's the way it was. If
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in societies where women were not expected to produce wealth
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: in the family after the marriage, they had to bring
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: some with them on the way in. And that is
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: another thing that sort of slowed things down because clearly
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: if your father is having to come up with money
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: to make it more attractive to marry you and everything,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: then you want to protect the thing, the one thing
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that you can provide that makes you better as a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: bride forever. than the next lady. And that is proof
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that you are a loyal person. Well, proof that you're
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a loyal person is that you don't sleep around. You're
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: waiting for the man you're going to marry. You were
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: loyal to him before you knew who he was. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that's gone. It has been erased by feminism. And so
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: has the dowry. And now, so has marriage. more children
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: are being born out of wedlock than in, because wedlock
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: is diminishing. And even when it happens, divorce is happening. So,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you know, among the children that are born within a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: family with married parents, by the time they grow up,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: their parents are divorced and they've still had to bounce
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: back and forth between households. But in the meantime, If
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a guy sits next to a woman on a bus,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: he better not say hi in addition to that. I mean,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he's already stalking her by sitting there. And if he
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: says hi or excuse me, I'm sorry, this is the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: only empty seat or anything like that. Now it's harassment.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: God forbid he's in Nottingham instead of someplace in Ohio,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: because then he might get arrested. But these guys should
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: make a better effort to socialize themselves, right? Even though...
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: They've been rejected. Totally and completely. By the women who
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: write about being raped by minotaurs. And dog demons. That's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: always a good idea.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Again, the reason why I wanted to talk about this
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: particular discussion, like, this is why I say, you know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: everybody who read this tweet that I've infected y'all with
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: is now dumber. You've lost IQ points. I'm sorry for
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: having read. Maybe those guys should make effort to socialize themselves.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: It's okay.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: My IQ's 45 anyway.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite that low. I think that
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: somebody would be able.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: To speak that sentence.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: If you're like, yeah, no, that's a, it's a bit
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of a, a bit of a stretch. Okay. I, and I, I,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I don't believe the people who told me what my
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: IQ is either because, uh, I make mistakes. It's a
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: lot more than that. Um, but I don't think it's
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: as high as they told me it was. Because, like
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I said, I've made too many stupid mistakes for it
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: to be that high. So, in any case, I put
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a very, very little stock in my queue as a
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: measure of human intelligence. It's a partial measure. It tells
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: you some things, but it doesn't tell you everything.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: That's what, um, that's what, that's what, that's what Bulk
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: said to me when I met him at Comic-Con.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you always have to realize, and there's, there's other
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: things that go into it as well, like, I am,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: or at least at the time that I was being tested,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I was really good at taking tests. And just because
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you're really good at taking tests does not necessarily mean
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you're very smart. Just like being really bad at taking tests,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: written exams, and things like that doesn't necessarily mean you're
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: not very smart. So there's a lot of misleading things
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: stuff out there with regard to that. I think there's
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of failure to fully understand what's being measured
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and communicate it effectively to the person that's being measured.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm not really a big fan of that at all.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: But in any case, what I wanted to get across here, again,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: my title, I pointed out Women have actually proposed. Eliminating.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Male loneliness. By outlying. Being rejected. By outlying rejects. There's
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: actually a push. By feminists now. To criminalize. Being an incel.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I have run into this. On a few occasions.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: It's over for me then.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It looks like if they get what they want, they'll
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: get rid of the incel forums. And those guys will have, like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the idea is to eliminate the conversation.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: They already get the incel forums, they already get the
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: just attacked already. Yep.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: They already get attacked when they get found in areas,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like Reddit and stuff like that. They get banned. Yeah,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me. So they want to cure Mary
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: loneliness by isolating themselves even more than they already are
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and then demonizing them even more than they already are
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and making it essentially a thought crime to consider yourself
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: an incel. Yeah, if you, um... Get accused of misogyny.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I always got in trouble because of that adolescent program.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: And I told people about certain stats. Yeah. They phoned
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: up the person that normally works for me and stuff
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: like that. So it's already sort of illegal to talk
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And insult them.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: In the UK, it definitely is.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: And also, I got my.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: I've got stuff prepared in Minecraft if they do have
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: their laws in place.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Well, the main thing is you just, you know, when
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: something is outlawed, you just have to step away from
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: it if you want to protect yourself. And that's exactly
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. If you've got a group
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: of people that you want to disempower, you know, make
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: them helpless to oppress them, basically. You outlaw their interpersonal communications.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I talk to a lot of people on Twitter and Discord,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: so if I'm bad on those, I wouldn't have anybody
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: to talk to.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Basically.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of guys are in that situation. It's,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: like I said before, On previous shows, I think if
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you were to really look into it, you'd find that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: probably half of the male population is involuntarily celibate. The
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: adult male population, that is. The underage male population should
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: all be celibate, and it shouldn't matter whether it's voluntary
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: or not. But among the adult male population, it's probably
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: at least half that is involuntarily celibate, whether they consider
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: themselves incels or not. They fit the definition.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, some people won't accept the label because of the,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: what do you call it, stigma.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I took part of a study on Monday.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: So somebody messaged me on Discord and I took.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Part of their research.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: So is that a research specifically on incels?
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's specifically for incels.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: You have to let us know how that turns out.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: It's a university paper, so it might take time.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: If they publish that and it's not behind a paywall
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and they give you information on how to find it,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that would be definitely interesting to talk about.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Because I took part in William Costa's research as well.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: This was really good.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: And he's got the paper, but it's behind a paywall,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the difficult part. But in any case, when
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you get into that level of... It's not just solipsism.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: It's callousness, right? This is the feminine... sexual discussion version
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: of if they cannot afford bread let them eat cake
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: so again back to the suicidality discussion so you got
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a guy who is actively suicidal over being involuntarily celibate
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: in a circumstance where not only does he have no
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: hope Of changing his situation. But anytime he talks about it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: He gets jumped on by people. Accusing him of being
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: some kind of. A creepy pervert who just wants.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: This is me. Right.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And then. And it seems to also. Be a Shadow
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Claws experience.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: And they say that you're not trying.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: They say, not all women are like that, and you haven't.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Tried, and.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: What else? Oh, it can't be that bad.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: It can't be that bad, yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Or it's like, no woman will reject you because of
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: your skin color or height.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Or maybe you should just make yourself okay with it,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: is another one.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Like, it's not that easy to... People who.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Or they will assume that you're asexual. Right.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: People who have genuine disability-type, mobility-type disabilities. I almost said
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: that backwards. But where they lose the ability to walk,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: or they lose the ability to see and it makes
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it difficult for them to move around, or they lose
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: their muscle strength and... or their balance. I'm in that
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: camp where I've lost a lot of my balance because
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of things that have happened to me. Some injuries and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: some just normal biological stuff. I have been recently told
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I have something called benign positional vertigo. It means that
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I can get vertigo-type dizziness for no reason. Um, if
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I move my head wrong, because little tiny calcium crystals
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: in my inner ear can come into contact with the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: bones that, um, or the nerves that, uh, affect your balance.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And it's like somebody messed up the vertical hold on
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: an old fashioned TV set, except it's horizontal. Uh, and
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: it's really fucked up. I don't like it in it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I can't stand up when it happens. Um, And I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: can't figure out how to navigate a room when I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: can't even crawl out of a room when it happens.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: It's worse than what people describe being too drunk to move,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: which I've never experienced. Sounds like. But it's difficult for
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: people with problems like that to just accept this is
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: my life now and it's not going to get better.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ever not have this problem again.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And people who have big changes like that go through therapy.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: And sometimes therapy for a guy, there's no point in
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: therapy as a guy. If you have female therapists, they
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: will look down on you if it's discussed. And if
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: you have a male therapist, but he's got feminist ideologies,
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: he has feminist tendencies, he will look down on you.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: He will look down on you with disgust as well.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: So for the layman, the person who is not in
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: this situation, not an incel, doesn't know anything about what
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it's like, imagine you lost both of your legs in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: an accident. And you just can't deal with the changes
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that are taking place. Now you are having to consider prosthetics,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: getting used to using them, or worse, maybe you're in
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a situation where you are not compatible with prosthetics and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you are going to be wheelchair bound for life and
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you never were before. You're accustomed to hiking and working
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: on your feet and so on. And now that's all
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: gone and it's never coming back. And you go to therapy,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and your therapy is about learning to find your emotional
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: balance in this new life that you're unable to leave.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: This is it. This is how you're going to live.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: You have to make yourself okay with living this way
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. And when you start
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: talking about what it's like for you to be in
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that situation and how hard it is for you to
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: reconcile your current situation with what you are accustomed to,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: instead of talking you through the change curve and the
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: grieving process that you're going to go through in that situation,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: your therapist shames you for hating handicapped people and suggests
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: that you have that toxic ability, and you should probably
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: be referred to some sort of probation because they need
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: to keep an eye on you in case you might
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: do something to disabled people because you're angry and mean.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Would that help you? Because that's kind of what happens
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: to men who go to therapy and To become okay
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: with circumstances where maybe they're never going to find somebody.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe somebody that they could find is never going to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: be accepting of them. And they're going to have to
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: listen to her whine for the whole time they know her.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: That she can't find a decent guy while they're standing
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: That's my situation.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I can't count how many guys I know that are
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: in that situation. And I know they're not talking about
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: me because I'm married. So I'm not complaining that I
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: can't find a decent guy.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I found an awesome guy. But I don't know Trying
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to think if I know any women who are... I know,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I think I still know one woman who is genuinely single.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Have you been on TikTok? There's tons of those videos.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where, oh, I can't find a guy. Nobody loves me.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Why can't I find a boyfriend? But they're not looking
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: among the guys that they know, are they? They're on
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the internet whining about it. So, you know, Maybe these
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: guys ought to make an effort to socialize themselves. But
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: don't do it with women because you're not that guy.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: You're the guy that they don't want you to be.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Disabled women in my place that I go to won't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: even take.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: A look at me.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: They kind of reject me all the time. Disabled women
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: are out of the question.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: It's... It's not uncommon for all the disabled women in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: a particular environment where there's care being given for a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: large group of disabled people to already be involved with somebody, actually.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: So they all have boyfriends. Or if they want a boyfriend.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And some of these women aren't.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: And some of these women are non-verbal.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: And they have boyfriends.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And that's on both sides of the pond. That's on
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: both sides of the pond. So this is what I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to get across. When we talk about the medical
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: assistance in dying program and that it may become a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: fast track for people who are suicidal because of treatable conditions.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: You don't just have the situation of things like the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: news story that just happened where there was a grandmother,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: a mother and grandmother in a nursing home who the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: people that worked in the nursing home apparently wanted her
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: to choose maid. So they waited until Her family was
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: on vacation for like two weeks. Nobody was there to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: advocate for her and they tricked her into signing up
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: for it. And then there was nothing the family could
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: do when they got home. It was too late. The
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: woman said she didn't want it. That's not what she
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: thought she was signing up for. And they have killed her.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: The staff at the nursing home has killed her. The
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: family has published the issue. And what's been going on.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: And the news media has been discussing it and everything.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, it's too late now for this woman. That's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: taking place in Canada. And that's just nursing home staff
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: thinking that they know what's best for a family member.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: And the family doesn't know what's best for the family member.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: when they get tired of you, when they get impatient
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: with you, it actually is that much worse. They might
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: actively suggest suicide. They might actively try to get somebody
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to just be gone and end themselves. And there have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: been stories come out like that Well, what happens when
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you have someone who has a sense of hopelessness? So
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I've actually been around someone whose suicidality, and there's a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: name for it, I can't think what it's called, where
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you literally cannot experience happiness. Good things can happen. You
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: can be all the things that would make a normal
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: person happy. can't make you happy. Things that would make
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: a mean person happy can't make you happy. Things that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: would make a naive person happy won't make you happy.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: There won't be anything that will. And it's not a numbness.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It's just a constant sense of... There we go. It's called...
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: And Hedonia. And it's Crush Grape 786 is the one
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: who said it first. I've met somebody with that. And
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: it's very hard to be around that person. Because they're
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: always down. It's like Marvin, the paranoid android from The
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Something is always bad. Something
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: is always wrong. If something is good, There has to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: be something unsatisfactory about it. And it's not just unsatisfactory
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: for the individual. He has to ensure that it's also
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: unsatisfactory for the people around him. Because it bothers him
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: that other people are happy and he can't be. And
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I've heard, and I don't know if it's true or not,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: so take this with a grain of salt, but I've
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: heard that Woody Allen has it. And that's why a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: sense of humor is so dry. So even if you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: become able to navigate that, you sort of still become
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: sort of this sarcastic, shades of gray sounding person. And yeah,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: DC Swag 7049 says, sounds like turbo depression.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: But, oh, Team God Stars asks, how can someone nonverbal
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: have a boyfriend? Sort of the same way people who
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: don't speak the same language can decide they want to fuck.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they all fuck, just before anybody
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: suggests that. But a significant amount of flirtation is nonverbal.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and hand-holding and stuff like that, all nonverbal. And if
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: an individual will only do that with a specific person,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: and that specific person is doing it back, reciprocating, and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: only with them, then they're a couple. And that makes
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it pretty obvious, they're a couple. But yeah, people who
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: cannot speak, Can also use sign language. But you have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: to know that a significant amount of flirting is completely nonverbal.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah. Imagine they run across somebody in that situation.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: The same people who decide that an elderly person that's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: just too difficult to handle in the nursing home needs
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: to die. By maid. What are they going to do.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: When they run across somebody. Who can not get. Even footing.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: In a life. That is. Forever alone. And they have
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to hear about it. And. They just want to tell
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the guy. To not be upset about it. And they can't.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: And they're female. And they look down on him. And
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: maybe they've decided that he's creepy or weird or something.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to do? You think
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: they're going to tell him go to therapy? You think
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: they're going to tell him that if he works at it,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: he can find rewarding things to do in his life
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that can be fulfilling and bring him happiness and women
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: are not the only things? Or do you think they're
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: going to introduce maid? Because I think there are practitioners.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I have worked with practitioners, in fact, who under those circumstances,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: if they had the capability, they would introduce me. Who
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: was that? No, I was just saying that that's sick.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: And it's also very real. So from there, I want
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: to go to, let's see.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: It was....
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: This one? Yep, disability campaigns. Now, this bill has already
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: been delayed. Right, Richard?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: It was defeated in Parliament, but there's going to be
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: another reading at some point.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And it's always that way. They'll defeat it over and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: over again until it's tweaked enough, and then it'll eventually
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: go through. And I think it's pretty much inevitable that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: at some point in the future of the UK, unless
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the trend around the Western world reverses, at some point
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: in the future of the UK, the medical assistance and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: dying bill will pass. and it will become law, and
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: it will enable the medical profession to provide suicide as
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: an alternative to medical treatment. It's not suicide, it's murder
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: You'll have seen the story of.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: It depends on how they do it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: You'll have seen that story about this elderly Canadian woman who.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Who was coerced into signing up for MAID.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just talked about her.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I was out having a smoke just now.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: At this point, it's just murder.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: In that case, it was murder. There's a method that
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: involves allowing the patient to have complete control over the process,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: and they just have somebody there to make sure that
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: everything works. works the way that it's intended to work
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in that process. That's suicide. The same as having somebody
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: make sure your gun is in working order before you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: shoot yourself is still suicide.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Much like 150 years ago, they convinced us that income
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: tax isn't stealing. It's this other thing. It's tax. Tax
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: isn't theft because the government is doing it. And so
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: murder isn't murder because the government is doing it. So
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: it's this other thing. We're killing you for your own good,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: much like we're stealing from you for your own good.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish they were that nice about it in
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: the U.S. In the U.S., they didn't even say that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: We won't treat your cancer, but we'll fund your assisted suicide.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And in that circumstance, it is, you know, having somebody
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: there to make sure everything works the way it's supposed
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: to work. But you are the one controlling, like, there's
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: a button. And the person who wants to die is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: the one pushing the button, not the doctor. But in
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: this old lady's circumstance, like you're talking about, they gave
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: her an injection. It was a lethal injection. She was
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: murdered by lethal injection against her will. And against the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: will of her family. Because Canada.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Lacks.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: All of the protections. All of the safeguards. That should
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: be in place. For people with. Intellectual disabilities. Dementia. Mental
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: health conditions.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: That's why the bill didn't pass.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Because there wasn't enough safeguarding.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: That's what. These campaigners called for the delay. Specifically because
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: it lacks the the UK bill also lacks significant protections
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: that should be in place So And and I can
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: understand calling it assisted suicide even if the doctor does
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: it if The process is done correctly where the individual
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: who has a terminal illness that is going to terminate
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: in a horrible death has arranged for a less painful,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: more sleepy and comfortable death to happen slightly before that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: so that they don't have to face the horrible death.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm not arguing that ALS patients have to choke
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: to death and lung cancer patients have to drown I'm
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: arguing that we shouldn't be executing people for being autistic
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: or having Down syndrome or being 85 years old and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: having dementia and maybe being a little bit annoying to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: the people that take care of them.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Or contracting whatever disease they happened to contract in that
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: bizarre period between 2021 and 2023.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we can't talk about on YouTube.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Nothing happened that year. Everybody was on holiday.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's all just a coincidence. And now we
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: have to kill you.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Sometime during that time, my parents were abducted by aliens. Yeah.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: You know, we really want to be dark with this.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: When my mom tested positive for COVID-19, Before she had
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: her surgery, before she went into the hospital for her surgery,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: she had that testing done and she was negative. Four
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: days later, she had it and she was positive. 13
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: days after that, I was still negative. And I only
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: tested positive after I got the vaccine. And I've since
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: learned that the vaccine can make you test positive when,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: in fact, you're not infected. And it also... can cause
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: a reaction that is almost identical to having COVID, except
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: extremely mild in comparison. So when I died COVID 13
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: days later, I thought I got it from my mom.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I might not have had it at all. I might
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: have just been reacting to the vaccine because the next
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: time the booster caused a worse reaction. And I didn't
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: get any after that. But in the meantime, I've always
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: had in the back of my head this little sneaking suspicion.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Because the day that she tested positive was the day
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: after we caught their med error at the hospital. They
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: did somebody... Expose her on purpose. As punishment. For telling
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: on them. And I'll never be able to. Convince myself 100%.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: That that's not what happened. It's a horrifying thought.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: The idea that somebody might do that to a human being.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: And I want to believe with all my heart. That
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: nobody working in medicine would do that.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: People in medicine sorry.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I've experienced that they would go ahead Richard I.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: Was going to say that I would because they see
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: patients as an inconvenience.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah the idea that you need them to do their
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: job seems to piss a lot of women in medicine
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: off This has been my experience with it anyway.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: When I was in hospital, they didn't necessarily help me
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: that much. Every time I'd ask for help, they would, like,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: sigh and come over, or they would, like, ignore me.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Nursing homes are worse. In nursing homes, I have seen... Well, hell,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: the nursing home that my dad was in was supposed
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: to be the really good hoity-toity nursing home in the area, right?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I was... Um, just, just sitting with him and talking
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to him when all of a sudden I noticed it
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: in the room across the hall that the bed was empty,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but there was a pair of legs sticking out on
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: the floor from the other side of the bed where
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see the person. So I said to my dad,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: just give me a second, stay right there. You know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I get up and I go running across the hall.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: which the hallway was as wide as somebody's living room,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: go running across the hall. And I look in and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: there is a grown man on the floor. He's at
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: least six feet tall and not a small, lightweight man.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Looks like he was probably an athlete in his prime.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: So I went looking for a nurse's aide and it
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: took me a minute or two just to find somebody.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And when I found her, she was very annoyed that I,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: that I came and told her because then she was
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: going to have to take care of the problem. And
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: of course she couldn't get him up by herself. She
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: had to go find somebody as well. And it took
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: them a little bit. To get him off the floor.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: And the whole time. They were just all really put out.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: That this guy had ended up on the floor. And
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: what's really bad is. They couldn't put up bed rails.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Because he didn't have a medical order. And if you
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: don't have a medical order, then the bed rails constitute
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: a restraint. And a restraint is a violation of the
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: patient's rights. So stopping him from falling out of bed
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: would have violated his rights. But they were annoyed that
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: they had to help him get back in his bed
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: and check him over for injuries. And nobody wanted to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: document the fall because they would get in trouble. Well,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you can't. change the situation. You can't get a medical
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: order for bed rails to be up in a nursing home.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: They can put your bed rails up in the hospital,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: by the way, if they identify that you are over
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: a certain age and therefore a fall risk just based
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: on your age, just not in a nursing home where
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: old people usually are, right? And you can't get that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: done unless you have documentation that the individual falls.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Out of bed.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, DC Swag, yes, I think it gets worse
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: the longer someone works in that field. They do start getting,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: they get burnout, and then they stop seeing the human
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: beings behind the task. Because the tasks are tasks. When
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: you have, when somebody cannot wipe their own butt and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you have to wipe it for them, that is a task.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: It's caregiving, but it's also a task. Lifting is a task.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Even if the weight that you're lifting is the weight
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: of a human being, it's still a task. The difference
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: is you're lifting a person rather than a box of goods.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: You're wiping a sensitive area on a person's body that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: can be injured if you do it improperly, rather than
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: cleaning a mess up off the floor or dusting a windowsill.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: And so that's the care aspect and the, the, there
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: should be a human connection there where you're thinking of
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: the person as a person and trying to make the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: situation as comfortable for them as you can. So they
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: don't feel bad about it and it's not hurting them
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: or making them feel physically uncomfortable. And I think a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: lot of people lose that aspect of their, um, their situation,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: their mentality, if they work in healthcare for a long time.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: And they don't do it for the fulfillment of knowing that, like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: one of the most satisfying things about working in healthcare
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: in the bottom rung, direct care end of it is
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: when you help someone into a position like they're walking
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: and you help them into a chair or they're they're
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: in their bed and they've gotten into an uncomfortable position,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: you help them adjust to a more comfortable position. You know,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: something along those lines. And you see a sigh of
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: relief and you know they feel better than they did
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: before you interacted with them. It's very satisfying. This person
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: is now, you know, feeling better than they were five
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: minutes ago. But if you don't take personal satisfaction in.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Helping to provide comfort to people where you can. There
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: is a lot of burnout and there's a lot of.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of turning into nurse ratchet. And when somebody
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: in that mentality runs across somebody. With a problem that
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: they might see as unfixable or. they would look at
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: the task as a mountain instead of a molehill task,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: then they're going to get annoyed and try to avoid
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: having to do that task any way they can. So,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: according to this article, and this is James Gregory, political
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: reporter for the BBC. So, it's BBC, the grain of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: salt is any opinion.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Any writer's opinion stated in here. They can give you who, what, where, when,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and maybe how, but pay attention to subtext when you
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: learn about the why.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: The lady in the picture, she's like a.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: That's Liz Carr. She's like a disabled disability activist. She's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: well-known in the disability community. And she's even won awards
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: So she's done a lot of work trying to get
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: people to understand the circumstances of disabled people.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: That is really awesome. And according to the article, disabled
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and terminally ill campaigners have written Prime Minister Andy Burnham. Now,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: is Andy Burnham, he's the newer Prime Minister?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: He's a socialist.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's going to be... Shit show. Urging him to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: reform social and palliative care before assisted dying legislation is
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: introduced in England and Wales. So for the people outside
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: of medicine, palliative care is the care that they give
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: after they've decided they're not going to try to stop
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you from dying because they can't usually or you're just done.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: with chemo or whatever other treatments that you were trying
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: to use to stop a terminal illness from being terminal.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: And you've decided to stop fighting. And that does happen
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: as well. I had a friend that had lung cancer
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: for like 20 years and it never fully went away.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: So she was on and off of chemo for 20 years.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: And she hit a point where she was just like,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I'm old and I'm not going to fight this anymore.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: And she was gone in a week. We lost her
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: so fast, I didn't even really get to go into
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: the hospital and say goodbye before the cancer got into
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: her brain. It was really ready to take her. And,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: you know, chemo is an awful experience. It's something that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: people can tolerate for a few years to defeat cancer.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: If they can send it into remission and keep it
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: that way for at least a few more years. But
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: to keep it up for 20 years takes a lot
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: of guts. And she did until she couldn't anymore. And
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: she was in her 80s when she decided that she
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: couldn't anymore. And the doctors had said to her, you
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: will live for as long as you keep this up,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: and when you stop, the cancer will take you. And
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: that's what happened. So it can happen. Palliative care is
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: things like when you're dealing with a situation like that,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: you may not retain the ability to clean yourself, to
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: bathe yourself. You'll need other people to prepare your food.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: You'll need other people to take care of your home.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: You need somebody to monitor your vitals to know when
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you actually are actively dying. It's like there's stages of dying.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: There's you are terminal, which you're dying, but death is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: not imminent in the next few minutes. And then there's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: actively dying where your body is physically shutting down right now.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: And it's time to start calling for people, the people
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: around you to start calling the funeral home and stuff.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: And there has to be somebody there to document your
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: time of death. So there's, it's comfort care. It's, um,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: standard care for somebody who is completely dependent and it
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: is also a death watch. So that's palliative care. And
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: there are people who do that for a living. And, um,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I've had people tell me that because I work with
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: the disabled, I'm some kind of an angel. I'm really not,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: you know, um, Like I said, I do take personal
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: satisfaction in making someone more comfortable and ensuring someone has
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: a better day because I was there than they would
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: have had if I wasn't there. But I think it
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: takes a much more special person to do palliative care
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: than any other job in medicine. And of course, social
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: care is direct caregiving. And they do need to reform
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: social and palliative care before assisted dying legislation.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Social care is supposed to be given, but sometimes, well,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of the times it's not because the caregivers
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: don't really care about their clients most of the time.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: They're mostly on their phone.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: And that seems to be their millennial and Zoomer generations,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: aren't they?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: The caregivers that are in my, they're mostly like older
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: millennials and Gen Xers. We do get some Zoomers, but
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: it's like Gen Xers and millennials.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I work with a lot of Zoomers.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: If anyone should be put in charge of your death,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: it should be someone who doesn't stand to benefit from
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: your death. And this creates a weird situation where, I mean,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: the government can benefit from your death because of all
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: the various ways they can say, well, you died, so
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: now we own all of your wealth. And in the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: same way, one's family... Can stand to benefit from your death.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: If and when. Your last will and testament.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Can.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Puts certain people in. As beneficiaries to your death.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: So. How do you even operate that? How do you put.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Someone's death. in charge of someone who doesn't stand to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: benefit from it. And it's difficult. A lot of us
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: in Generation X and indeed the late millennials whose boomer
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: parents could die any minute now. You're looking at this going, okay,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: how do we do this altruistically? How do we handle
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: someone's death in a way that isn't skewed towards whoever
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: gains to benefit from it. And, you know, as a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: lot of us Gen Xers and early millennials, we're sort
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: of thinking, how do we do this? How do we
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: handle the death of the boomers? This is a series
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: that I've... uh ascribed to uh to the tuesday show
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: uh the ongoing um saga of the death of the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: boomers like how do we handle the death of the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: boomers in a way that um that isn't self-serving in
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: some way like how do you do it in a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: way that um uh that doesn't benefit the government but
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: also doesn't benefit the um The scrounging Gen Xers. There's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: an awful lot of wealth tied up in the boomers.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: How do we do this in an ethical way? Where
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: these many millions of boomers are going to die very soon.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: How do we do this ethically?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: It's a big challenge. And there's a lot of abuses
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: that are taking place. Among other things, I know New
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: York has had this problem where if an individual is
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: elderly and has property, the state can sort of pressure
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: them into a nursing home. The state doesn't directly seize
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: their property, but their property then ends up being sold.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: And that goes to pay for their care.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Happened to me.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: And it is for people who are not, they aren't
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: actually senile. They're just having a bad day here and there.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: All it takes is, you know, a few questions not
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: being answered quickly enough, or the answers not being complete,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: or signs that are usually signs of nervousness, and the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're told you can't take care
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: of yourself.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: This happened to my great-grandmother as well.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: Her kids put her into a home, but she was like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: she had all that funk, she was sure. She has
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: all the functionalities, but her kids, her family, her parents
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: are at home anyway.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: And see, there are people whose family wants to take
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: care of them that when they start trying to go
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: through the process, they find out the state is already
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: in the process of taking guardianship and breaking up their
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: property and everything. And in my family, we did not
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: let that happen. My grandparents started the process of moving
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: in with my parents because they all had been together
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: making a plan for years. This is what we're going
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: to do. This is when we're going to do it.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: And they executed the plan. And my grandparents lived with
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: my parents until after my grandmother's death. For several years,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: my grandpa actually survived my grandmother for almost 10 years.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: And he only spent a few months in care and
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: it was only due to an illness that he could not,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: he couldn't stay at home because of the illness, but
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: we were expecting him to come home and the illness
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: got worse and he ended up passing away. He ended up,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: part of the problem was the illness he had had
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: an infection and it got compounded. He ended up with
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: an infection from eye drops in his eye. And when
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: you pile infection on top of infection in a body
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: that is over 95 years old, it can't fight back. So, oh,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: we have a Packard Tom story. As a boomer who
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: will be 71 in about three weeks, happy birthday early.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: The best help you younger ones can give us is
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: to listen to us while we are still non-senile. That
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: is true. That is true. And unfortunately, a lot of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: times when it comes to the care of an elderly person,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: that's when people stop listening. I know what you need
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: better than you know what you need. You don't need
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: your house anymore. You need to stay in this little.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: You know 15 by 15 room. With two beds in it.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: And one TV. With a roommate that you never met before.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't have anything in common with you.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Social and palliative care. Both need a lot of reform.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Both in the UK and the US. To a certain.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: The Assist Us to Live group says people are currently
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: being failed by society, and introducing assisted dying in these
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: circumstances will put sick and disabled people's lives at risk.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Burnham believes the funding of palliative and social care should
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: be fixed before assisted dying is considered. The government is
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: likely to remain officially neutral, but the PM's remarks suggest
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: he personally will not back the bill proposed by Laverge. Well,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: so it is going well. It did go well with him.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: That's not a bad thing. Even a stopped clock is
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: right twice a day. Or a socialist.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Labor might call an early election next year.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: They probably will.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Bill supporters argue improving care services and giving terminally
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: ill people autonomy over their final weeks must go hand
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: in hand. The proposed law, known as the Terminally Ill
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Adults End-of-Life Bill, would allow people over the age of
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: 18 who are expected to die within six months to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: be given help to end their own life, subject to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: certain safeguards. Well, that's the really important thing about that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: kind of bill, subject to certain safeguards. Having a disability
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: in and of itself does not mean you would be
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: able to seek help to end your life. That's important.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: This is the second time a backbench bill like this
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: is going through the House of Commons. What's a backbench bill, guys?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: A backbench, Mike, you want to explain?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: He's probably smoking again. He's probably smoking again.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: Alright um a backbench bill is a I think I
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: got this wrong but a backbench bill is like a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: draft of a bill to make it so so it
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: will go through parliament so we've got like certain bills
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: so a backbench bill is like a preview of the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: bill that they want to push through.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Okay Edward Reed okay it sounds it sounds uh feasible
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Edwards reintroduced an identical bill in June in order to
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: finish the job started by Ledbetter. It is due to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: be debated in the Commons. It was debated in the
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Commons probably on September 11. Opponents believe the legislation has
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: substantial flaws and would pose risks to disabled people, putting
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: pressure on them to end their lives. And, uh, The
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Equality and Human Rights Commission, UK's regulator, says legislation is
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: likely to have particular impacts on people with certain protected characteristics,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: especially older and disabled people. Here's why it matters that
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: it has an effect on older people. Again, this is
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: something that involves consent. And I would say they should
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: even go farther than to use the word consent. The
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: individual should have to initiate the conversation so it it's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: opt-in not just consent because if you decline consent you're
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: opting out but request demand um that's a different story
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: and you're opting in in that point and it should
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: be something that they should go to extraordinary measures to
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: ensure that the individual making the decision to die is
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: fully aware of what decision they're making and all of
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: its implications, not just, okay, well, you have the right
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: to this here sign here, and then they give them
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: some kind of shot and they die. Because if somebody
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: is starting to develop senile dementia or if they have
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: plaque from years of, you know, poor habits, smoking, eating.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Wrong, and.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: That kind of thing, you know, from their blood vessels
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: that has gotten into their brain, they may have days
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: where its impact makes it similar to being senile. Your mom?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Your mom.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: My mom's uh so you know what they meant yeah.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: My grandmother had strokes uh many strokes and with grandma
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: it was like day and night she fell and she
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: broke her hip and she went under anesthetic to have
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: a um plate put on her hip as part of
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: the um uh healing process and uh When she woke
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: up from the anesthesia, she was no longer all there.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Like there was part of her that was just gone.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: And we only saw it again very briefly for about
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes before she passed away two years later. And
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: that's pretty sudden and it's pretty stark. But a lot
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: of times with things like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, And even
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: sometimes with many strokes, the person goes little by little,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: and they might seem entirely competent to make decisions like this,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: but they're not. Or yesterday they were, and tomorrow they
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: will be, but today is a rough day and they're not.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: And how do you know that you're not taking advantage
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: of the rough day? when you make that decision with them.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: So you do have to have experts that understand how
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: these disabilities affect someone and can protect the individual against
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: having that happen to them. And there should be safeguards
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: that allow someone to take it back. Yes, I consented
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: to this on June 14th, but On September 20th, I
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: realized that there were many things I didn't understand about
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: it because I was having a bad day that day.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: And I understand them today and I don't want this.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: That should be allowed.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: And it's much like the superstitions that existed in ancient
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: times where they would sacrifice a sheep or something. they
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: would slaughter that sheep. And if they didn't get the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: answer they wanted from the entrails, they would sacrifice another sheep.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Until they got the answer they wanted from the entrails.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: It's much like these referenda. I hope that is the
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: plural of referendum. It's much like the referenda they have
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: on whether you want to remain in the EU. Like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: if you say no, well, we'll just postpone that decision
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: until you say yes. That's what governments do. It's all
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: based on superstition. If you don't give them the answer
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: you want, they will postpone the result until you give
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: the answer they do want. So if they say no,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: they'll just keep asking you until you say yes, and
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: then they will kill you.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: And that's what's happening with the build now because it's
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: been through a couple of times and they're going to
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: try again in the near future. And then they're going
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: to try again until they're value down.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Just like Steve Urkel. Yeah.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Says last year, the commission's chair, Baroness Faulkner, said. While
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: the bill provides safeguards against a person being coerced or
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: pressured to end their own life by another individual, we
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: know that disabled people, older people, and especially older disabled
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: people may feel pressured to prematurely end their lives by
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: societal attitudes and a lack of support and services they need.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing about safeguards. There are safeguards in
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: my job too. I have to sign a paper every year.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: that enumerates the different types of behaviors that are considered
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: abuse toward a person under my care. And most of
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: them are things that, like, you don't have to tell
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: me that's abuse. I already know that's abuse. I would
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: never do that. But it's good to have it in
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: writing and it's good to have it signed because there
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: are people who just don't understand normal things. And I
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that until I worked with retail employees and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: low-level healthcare employees. There are people who don't realize that
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: it's not okay to handle somebody else's personal property like
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter when you're in charge of their welfare
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: and they're depending on you, they're dependent on you for
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: proper handling of that property. with care to not break
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: it and not lose it and things like that. There
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: are people who don't understand that. It's very strange to
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: me that somebody would not understand that, but it's actually
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: very widely not understood. And so there are a lot
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: of things that you can do that are abuse that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: have to be explained to people, right? But at the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: same time, if somebody really didn't care whether they were
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: abusing someone or not, there are numerous circumstances and situations
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: where they might not get caught for a long time.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: And unless something changes by chance, they don't get caught
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: for a long time. And when they do get caught,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: we're all shopped. because why would anybody behave that way?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: But somebody always does.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: And by then, it's too late to hold them accountable,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: because the perpetrators of these crimes are all dead.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they were not all dead. Some of
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: them get arrested, some of them go to jail. If
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: you sign that paper, you're acknowledging that you can go
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: to jail. that you could be fined, that you could
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: be prevented from working in the industry ever again and
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: things like that, would you be amazed how shocked people
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: are that those punishments are applied when abuse or neglect
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: is discovered? And you can find videos on YouTube where
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: there's a news story here or a family has posted
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: something there of this nurse's aide in this nursing home
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: or this caregiver in this group home did this or that.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: And it's very difficult for the patient to get help
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: in that situation, especially in a nursing home, especially if
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: they have dementia. Because you can also have situations where, well,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: for example, back in the 90s when I worked in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: the bad nursing home, there was a lady who had
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: dementia and her daughter bought her new socks. Her old
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: socks all had holes in them. So her daughter bought
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: her a whole new set of socks. But they didn't
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: make her old style of socks anymore, so she got
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: her a different style of socks. And this woman lived
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: out the rest of her life convinced that somebody had
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: stolen her socks and replaced them with imitations that were
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: not good enough to fool her. And no matter how
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: many times you remind somebody in that circumstance... That, no, remember,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: your socks had holes. Your daughter bought you new socks.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: These are the socks she bought.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: It's going to be all right. And she'll be relieved
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: for a few minutes. And then she'll be distraught again
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: the next time she looks in her sock drawer. And
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it but reassure her
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: patiently every single time so that she doesn't have to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: be worried for too long. Because she's never going to remember.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: That her daughter bought her new socks. She will be
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: able to tell you what she had for breakfast on
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: her birthday in 1942. But she will not be able
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: to remember about those socks. So you have to have
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: that level of patience and understanding that you can't change
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: what this woman is going to do. And you can't
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: assume that somebody actually stole her socks. But then if
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: she comes in, you know, a couple of days later
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: and says, well, now somebody's also stolen my pants. You
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: might want to assume that maybe her daughter bought her
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: some new pants. Her pants were worn out. Her pants
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: are in the laundry. Everything's fine. But what if somebody
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: actually did steal her pants? How do you know the
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: difference without an investigation? An investigation. Well, if it's over
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: something small like that, a lot of times an investigation
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: is never done. So if somebody's favorite earrings come up
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: missing and she swears up and down they were real rubies,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: but you know she had a lot of costume jewelry
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: and there's never an investigation, you may never find out
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: that actually one of the aides figured out those were
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: real rubies and took her earrings. So sometimes abuse does
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: slip through the cracks. And it's not the fault of
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: the woman with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or some other form
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: of senile dementia. She can't just put a back in that,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: hold it up over here and not have it for
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes to explain to you everything that's going on.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: And it may not even be the fault of the
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: other nurses' aides because they missed something because they're overworked.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: But it is the fault of the individual that stole
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: the items. And a safeguard would have been having an
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: inventory where it's listed that actually, yes, she has real
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: ruby earrings. Or maybe the ruby earrings get kept in
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: a safe. So there are things that need to be
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: safeguarded that aren't safeguarded. And there are safeguards that could
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: be put into place if somebody puts their mind to it. Say, hey,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: here's what we can do to prevent this problem from happening.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: For instance, the woman that we talked about who had
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: just broken her hip and wasn't dying that was offered
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: made up front before any treatment. You know, the safeguard
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: is The conversation should be initiated by the patient, not
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: the doctor. Especially in a situation where the illness is
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: not terminal. In a situation where.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: You have.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: People with some degree of intellectual incapacity, you have to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: have an advocate who knows that person and understands them,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: and also an advocate who knows that disability and understands it.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: And they don't have to be the same person. Edwards
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: has said there is time to improve end-of-life care and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: any assisted dying service would come into effect under her
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: proposed law, given a four-year implementation period has been agreed
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: in previous debates. Meaning, well, let's get it passed and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: then we can start working on that. But I think
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: the advocates are right. It should be the other way around.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Get these things settled beforehand. you agree to an assisted
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: dying bill because as soon as you agree to it,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: everything that was on the table is now off the table.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: It's done. You don't have to think about it anymore.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: That's the way politics works. Comedian Rosie Jones and actors
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Liz Carr and Ruth Vadley are among dozens of prominent
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: disabled people in the arts, media, and academia who have
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: signed the open letter to MPs. The letter says, at
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: the moment, sick and disabled people, including terminally ill people,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: are denied choice over the most basic things, our ability
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: to get out of bed, wash, eat, leave our houses,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: or manage our pain. Did someone want to jump in?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: This creates a coercive environment where people will choose an
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: earlier death simply because they are being failed by society.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Simply put, introducing assisted dying in these circumstances will put
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: sick and disabled people's lives at risk. No one wants
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: any terminally ill person to suffer unnecessarily at death, but
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: we must protect the lives and rights of disabled and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: terminally ill people in life. The group is calling for
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: more funding for palliative care so no one feels pressured
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: to end their lives simply because they are not receiving
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: the medical help they deserve. it also calls for the
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: government to abolish the social care savings threshold for working
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: age people and equalize staff pay between social care and
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: the NHS. So, uh, we'll stop there for tonight. Cause
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: it's almost, it's, it's a minute before nine o'clock. I'm
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: going to read the last super chows.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: And it's 2 a.m. Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: It's, it's late. Um, Meredith G. gave us $ 5 and
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: said HBR taught 416 Honey for the Badgers. Hannah, I
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: got diagnosed with the same vertigo a few years ago,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: and the idea that when it hits, I have to
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: lie still until the room stops spinning is frustrating. On
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: to other topics, notice how women take no responsibility in
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: helping socialize those who are isolated as an act of kindness.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Not that, or no, that would be too tough for
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: queen bees who are really about dominating the social sphere.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: And they are. They are. Yeah, my initial episode of Vertigo,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: I was laying on the couch and I was facing
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: the back of the couch and I went to turn over.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: And I flipped quickly instead of turning slowly. And all
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: hell broke loose in my eyeballs. I don't know how
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: else to put it. It was honestly like if you
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: take an old TV and you turn the vertical hold
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: so that it's maladjusted instead of properly adjusted, the screen flips.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: And it looks like the picture is moving up over
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: and over again and cycling through from the bottom. And
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: my vision did that, except it was side to side.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: And it was in the opposite direction of the direction
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: I moved. And it was so fast that I couldn't
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: even recognize any items in the room I was in.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: I couldn't spot something and orient myself or anything.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: Ooh.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: And when I laid there long enough, I just went
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: down to a low level of dizziness. But I couldn't
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: get up. The squad actually had to come and get me.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: I left my apartment in an ambulance. Well, I left
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: my apartment on a blanket. Actually, they couldn't even get
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: a stretcher under me because where I fell, I fell
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: in between two items that the stretcher wouldn't fit. They
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: got me on a stretcher and got me into an ambulance,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: took me to the hospital, and they gave me three
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: different drugs. And that was like last year or the
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: year before. But I figured out a bunch of things
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: to do since then to minimize the likelihood that it
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: will happen to me again. And that's what I do.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: But I was off work for four days with it.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: I couldn't sit up. I couldn't eat. It was bad.
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  Speaker 1: Never want to do that again.
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  Speaker 2: Sucked.
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  Speaker 3: Bear in mind, folks, Hannah is still alive.
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  Speaker 1: Zero out of ten. Would not do again.
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  Speaker 3: So what's the likelihood that there is a god? given
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: that Hannah is still alive, despite all the odds.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I could get kicked out of heaven. I get
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: kicked out of everywhere else.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm still alive. I'm not even going to tell
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: you why it's miraculous that I'm still alive, because that
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: is not important. I've done it to myself. The fact
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: that Hannah is still alive is actually a miracle. And
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: we should praise Bounteous every day. That Hannah remains to live.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: And she will remain to live. Probably for generations to come.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: She'll outlive all of us. Despite Doctor's recommendations.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: There you go. Well I always say. Never accept an
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: expiration date. From a Doctor.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: That's Doctor's orders.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: That's right. We have. Women will. I wish it wouldn't
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: do that. Women will combine the draft and maid.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Gave us $ 10. Said, I think Hannah's prediction is highly
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: likely to be true that people will recommend made to
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: men who are slightly off or different from the normies.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: In fact, I recently saw a social media post where
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: some woman was ranting that all the attractive boys were
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: subjected to the military draft while the unattractive ones could
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: avoid it and go on to build their lives. She
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: suggested that the draft system should be modified so that
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: women get to vote for all the unattractive. unattractive boys
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: to get drafted and go to war while the attractive
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: ones stay behind to build businesses this is why women
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: shouldn't vote oh my god could we just like maybe
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: talk about not drafting them to go to war at
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: all like nobody gets drafted at all zero drafting and
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: and while we're at it i would love to see
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: us figure out a way to have zero war but
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: that's probably a long way off uh yes tom i
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: will definitely watch the videos you sent me just um
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: probably not till this weekend because of my overtime but
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: i'm still still getting used to being a first shifter
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: a day shifter like how do you day walkers handle
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: the daylight um we don't weirdness um I go outside
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: and there's this flaming ball of heat looking down at me.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it. But, but yeah. And yeah. Keith
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: Larson says, sounds like they should have kept a few
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: pairs of the old socks. Yeah. Nobody asked me what
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: to do. Cause I would have suggested that too.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: It can be difficult. I have never been dementia disoriented,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: but I have been disoriented from things. In the sixth grade,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: I got bit by a mosquito, got encephalitis, and I
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: had a fever that, at its height, it actually hit
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: 107 degrees. They thought I was going to die from that, too.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: Almost did. It helped to orient me. There was one
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: moment where I was seeing a man standing outside of
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: my bedroom window. I couldn't see his feet, but he
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: had to be standing because, you know, he was in
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: the standing position, right? And staring in and he just
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: looked terrifying. And I told my mom and my grandma
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: about it. this man is, you know, there's a man
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: out there and he's watching everything that you're doing. And
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: of course they both said they both had to explain
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: to me that there couldn't possibly be a man out
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: there that I was, I was hallucinating that it was
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: the fever and I didn't need to be afraid. It
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't real. It was like, treat it like a TV show.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: That's a TV show out there. And I kept explaining
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: how real and solid he looked. And finally, my mom said,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: You're on the second floor. Nobody could possibly be standing
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: out there. And that's what got through. That it's physically impossible.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: There can't be a person out there. Think of it
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: like a TV. You're seeing something that's not real. And
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: that was before the fever got really high. When it
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: got really high, there was no reasoning with me. Everything
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: that I saw that wasn't real was totally real. You know,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do in that situation but go
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: to the hospital. But it was that, yeah, Mr. 303,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: I should write a horror story about some of my
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: old hallucinations. I've had that happen a couple of times.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: One time, a medication kept me awake for an extended
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: period of time.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: O'Nero has a lot to answer for. Yeah. This O'Nero fellow.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Hence the O'Nero's grip name, right? And a friend I
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: was having a conversation with actually turned out to be
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: home for the weekend and not on university campus with me.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: And my friends were very concerned that I was talking
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: to her. And that hallucination went south as soon as
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: I found that out. So that's how they discovered that
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: I'd been awake all that time. It was a rough situation.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes you can reason somebody out of You know,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: with dementia and things like that or hallucinations, and sometimes
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: you can't. So and sometimes the person might actually fight
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: back physically if you try. So you have to be
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: careful with that, too. But I do agree with women
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: will combine the draft and maid. That is probably unfortunately widespread.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: The way that I've seen women talking about men on
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: social media.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: You would say that you're a man.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: I am an honorary man. But to fully grasp that,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: I would have to understand honor.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: People always tell me to die on social media. Yeah.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: You can't die on social media.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: But they always tell me to go away and die.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: I died a long time ago on social media.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: The answer to that is you first. When they say that,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: you say you first. Because they can't even report you
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: for that because they said it first. So the context
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: basically says they're the abusive ones in that situation.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: I do remember I pissed off Mexican Twitter once.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, once?
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: I pissed off Mexican Twitter and Black Twitter at the
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: same time.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: How many people told you to die then?
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: A lot.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: Because I said most incels are Black and Asian, and
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: then Mexican Twitter got hold of it, and then Black
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: Twitter got hold of that tree as well.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: It is an unfortunate truth, right? There are significantly more
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: black incels than white.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because we don't fit the hyper-masculine stereotype.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: So if you don't fit the stereotype, then the chicks
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: do not take you seriously.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: Black fathers were rejected from the black family long before
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: white fathers were rejected from the white family.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: It's like It's like that Destiny's Child song, Soldier. There's
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: a lyric in there that sums up women in general.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: So if you're not a street or a hood, don't
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: check for them. That's one of the lyrics in the song.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: It makes sense. If you've been to the listeners, if
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: you've been to any of the ICMI's events that that
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: we've been to over the last 10 years 12 years
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: yeah 12 years almost 13 years yeah um and tommy
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: sotomayor he uh he is the guy that can tell
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: you all about it. He's been talking about the situation
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: with the Black family for a very long time. Although
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still as active in the.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: Movement as he was. He's still around. Is he?
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: He should be. It's just... When you do this for
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: a long time. I've noticed like a lot of people.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: In 10 years. This is going to sound awful. To
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: like the zoomers. 10 years is not a long time.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: There are people. That have been doing this for. 30
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: and 40 years. So 10 years. We're whippersnappers.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: Don't trust Lisa Britton.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: Just saying. Oh, and the Tin Man as well. They
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: come from a left-wing point of view.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: That's okay. There are still going to be. So here's
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: how I am on left-wing, right-wing. I was raised in
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: a family that started out Democrat. My parents were Reagan Democrats.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: They were very diehard Republicans from 1980. I want to
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: say around 1982, 83, clear on until they passed away.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: The last president they voted for was Trump. And they
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: unfortunately passed away before getting to see his comeback. Right.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily think that the right wing has
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: all of the answers. And there are things that the
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: left wing has been right about all along. So it's.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: When it comes to men's rights activism, we have to
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: be able to work with people on both sides of
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: that fence. And we have to be able to recognize
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: that neither of the two sides on that fence is
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: going to be entirely on our side. On the right,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: you have trad cons. On the left, you have woke ideologues.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: And so there's going to be like the progressive stat
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: coming from the left and right. you're going to have
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: traditionalist gynocentrism coming from the right. We have to be
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: able to carve our own path and accept what we
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: can that will help us from the sides without losing
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: sight of the fact that the most important thing for
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: men's rights activism is to defend and promote ensuring that
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: at the human rights table, men don't just have a seat.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: they have a plate, that they are able to partake
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: in the human rights discussion, and that their human rights
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: are as protected as every other demographic, that it's not, well,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: men get sacrificed because reasons. And unfortunately, that means that
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to trust anyone who
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: has a side. So, Not that I'm suggesting everyone is
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: actively to be distrusted. It is that you have to
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: understand the angle that they're speaking from. And when they're right,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: they're right. But when they're wrong, they're wrong. And the
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: fact that they were right about one thing does not
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: mean that you have to accept something else that's wrong.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: It's just that I don't really like EV Magazine that much.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: They still blame men for the problems and stuff like that.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, EV Magazine is full-on feminist. They are right-wing feminists.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people don't like that name,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: but it is a thing.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: And that's who Lisa works for. And the Tin Man,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: he's just like a left-wing socialist.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: So.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: You know, we're going to have socialists in the movement.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: And I'll argue with them about socialism. But it's just like... Oh, gosh,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: I can't think of her name now. She doesn't follow
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: me and I don't follow her. But there was a
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: young lady with the Water Bear Brigade that was helping
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: to promote change on rape law in the UK. She
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: was trying to get a petition to get enough signatures
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: that Parliament would address the issue. Well, they got it.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: And Parliament still refused to address the issue. Jess Phillips
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: personally made sure it didn't happen. But when she asked
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: me to help promote that petition, I had some people say, oh,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: don't promote that. A feminist wrote it. Well, I read
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: the petition, and the petition was not feminist. The petition
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: was pro-human rights, and it was anti-division of human rights
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: based on demographic. So that was all it was, that
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: if we're going to call it rape when reproductive sex
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: is forced upon a woman, we should also call it
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: rape when reproductive sex is forced upon a man. There
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: was nothing in there about ideology or anything else like that.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: It was that men have the same human right as
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: women have for their perpetrator to have included as part
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: of their punishment that they would bear the stigma of
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: the label rape. rapist and not some other label. And
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: so it was a good effort. And even though I
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: would fundamentally disagree with her about everything else, I promoted
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: that petition because she was right. That's the way we
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: have to be. And even though Jess Phillips shot it down,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: it forced Jess Phillips to shoot that down publicly so
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: that people knew the UK denies men equal treatment under
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: the law if they are victims of forced reproductive sex
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: with a woman. Because Jess Phillips didn't want them to
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: have equal treatment. Not just because that's the way it
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: is and nobody thought to try to change it, but
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: specifically one of the primary feminists, one of the top
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: feminists in the country, one of the most famous feminists
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: in the country, torpedoed it so that it wouldn't happen.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: And despite all this, we still wouldn't even rape you.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. So, there we go. In the meantime,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: I would like to thank everybody for listening, and thank
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: my co-host for sticking out this sausage that is.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: Got so many different types of meat in it, I
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: don't even know where to begin. And this was like
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: a hodgepodge, but it was important to link these things together,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: I think. Thanks very much to Brian doing all the
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: work in the background to make this happen, especially when
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm panicking over things going wrong, like a girl.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: And good night, all.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: Good night, y'all.