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Tuesday September 15 2026 | Legal Immigration, AI Panic, Emmys Recap · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M & M.
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  Speaker 1: Hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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  Speaker 2: So on today's episode, I've got blood coming out of
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  Speaker 2: my ears. I got blood coming out of my eyes.
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  Speaker 2: I got blood coming out of my wherever because I've
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  Speaker 2: taken an unpopular position with regards to legal versus illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 2: My pal Mark Davis is going to. Take me back
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  Speaker 2: to the woodshed where I probably belong. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: cat i see you grinning like i'm just here to
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  Speaker 2: here to help me let me let me revel in
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  Speaker 2: my misery.
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  Speaker 4: But not at all because it's funny because not only
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  Speaker 4: did i hear you in our m & m radio
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  Speaker 4: segment your second favorite part of the day yes but
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  Speaker 4: i also as i get to do in preparing for
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  Speaker 4: this and just gathering all the things that i need
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  Speaker 4: to do to have this podcast experience i get to
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  Speaker 4: hear your last hour So I got to hear you
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  Speaker 4: slog through this again. And I totally understand. As will
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  Speaker 4: often happen. I we don't even see it all that differently.
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  Speaker 4: And I totally understand you. And yet and yet and
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  Speaker 4: yet we'll get to the end. Yet for those who
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  Speaker 4: are again, we also have to be aware that not
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  Speaker 4: everybody is pivoted right over from the radio and knows
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  Speaker 4: even what we're talking about. Sixty seconds of setup. It
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  Speaker 4: all begins with God's gift to talk shows in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: Beau French, former Tarrant County Republican chair now running for
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  Speaker 4: the Texas Railroad Commission. stupidest office name ever. It has
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  Speaker 4: nothing to do with railroads. It has to do with
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  Speaker 4: oil and gas regulation. But anyway, Bo is quite the
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  Speaker 4: lightning rod on a lot of hot takes about culture
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  Speaker 4: and religion and all kinds of things. And Lord knows
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  Speaker 4: he had one of those the other day as Texas
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  Speaker 4: went about the business of beating Ohio State and everybody
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  Speaker 4: in the stadium was just thrilled. There was a photograph,
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  Speaker 4: like a shot of the student section, and there's a
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  Speaker 4: whole bunch of Indian kids in there, to the surprise
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  Speaker 4: of no one, because there's a whole bunch of Indian
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  Speaker 4: kids at UT and Austin. Bo takes this and says, well,
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  Speaker 4: some folks told me this is what graduation looked like
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  Speaker 4: at UT. Clearly, the problem is worse than we believed.
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  Speaker 3: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 4: And the talk shows begin. Is that racist? What's he
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  Speaker 4: talking about? Are those kids the problem? So first thing
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  Speaker 4: I did was text Bo and said, hey, want to
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  Speaker 4: come on the show? Which he did yesterday, explaining that
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  Speaker 4: it had nothing to do with race, had to do
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  Speaker 4: with policy. They were clearing out way too much space
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  Speaker 4: at UT for for foreign kids. And just as we're
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  Speaker 4: clearing out way too much space in the American workplace
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  Speaker 4: where H-1B visas, et cetera, et cetera. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: got you and me to this morning where you bristled
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  Speaker 4: that I totally get it because you don't ever want
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  Speaker 4: us to come across as racist. You don't ever want
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  Speaker 4: us to come across as unnecessarily mean. But it got
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  Speaker 4: us to wrap it up and hand it right back
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  Speaker 4: to you into a fascinating discussion over whether we have
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  Speaker 4: too much legal immigration. It's stipulated we have too much
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  Speaker 4: illegal immigration. Lord knows Trump has taken care of much
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  Speaker 4: of that. But do we have too much legal immigration?
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  Speaker 4: I'm prone to say that I would even dial that
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  Speaker 4: back and to hand it back to you that left
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  Speaker 4: you frosted because you thought that was counter to the
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  Speaker 4: message at the bottom of the statue.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's stipulate that the reason I'm probably on
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  Speaker 2: shaky ground is because I'm looking at the Republicans, quote, unquote.
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  Speaker 2: who kind of agreed with my pushback.
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  Speaker 4: Karl Rove. You're in bad company.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Crenshaw. John Cornyn. I mean, the list of rhinos
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  Speaker 2: who are calling Beau French a bigot. Karl Rove, the
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  Speaker 2: veteran political operative and Fox News contributor, reportedly told a
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  Speaker 2: crowd at a lunch in Austin that he's going to
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  Speaker 2: vote for the Democrat to serve on the Texas Railroad
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  Speaker 2: Commission because of the bigot The bigotry of Beau French.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's– and John Cornyn, of course. John Cornyn is
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  Speaker 2: now aligned with Tallarico on the issue of Beau French.
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  Speaker 2: So trust me. I know I'm on shaky ground here.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't make you wrong. I will go to defend
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  Speaker 4: you even as we– it's not like math where A
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  Speaker 4: equals B, B equals C. Because first of all, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think you're calling Beau French a bigot. You kind
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  Speaker 4: of touched on it a little bit. I think you're
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  Speaker 4: willing to give him some space as having a point
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  Speaker 4: to make, but I don't know if it's a useful
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  Speaker 4: point and that meme might not have been useful. That
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  Speaker 4: seems like you to me. You are correct in identifying
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  Speaker 4: this clown car. They just hate him. They hate Paxton.
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  Speaker 4: They don't even really like Trump, and it's just part
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  Speaker 4: of the bargain.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's a matter of wrong or right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody's right or wrong here. I
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  Speaker 2: think everybody's got really valid points here. And you're really
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  Speaker 2: good at being my gatekeeper, my advocate for remembering.
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  Speaker 4: The mic whisperer.
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  Speaker 2: The mic whisperer. But you're also good at my mantra.
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  Speaker 2: That we got to win in 49 days.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm so worried about Texas. Look, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to freak out about this Senate race because I keep
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  Speaker 2: being assured by your quiet confidence that there's no way
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  Speaker 2: a guy like Tallarico can beat Ken Paxton. But on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, Paxton hasn't been ahead in a single poll.
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  Speaker 2: Not one. Beto O'Rourke didn't have this kind of commanding
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  Speaker 2: lead in all the polling at this stage of the game.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe something's different. We keep being shocked at all
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  Speaker 2: these progressives who won all these primaries. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: just pray that... that November 3rd is a different animal
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  Speaker 2: than the primaries. But if it's not, we're screwed. And
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  Speaker 2: we might be screwed because of what could be an
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  Speaker 2: unforced error by a Republican candidate like Beau French. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: here's a, you know, and I really like looking at
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  Speaker 2: the live chat here on YouTube. If you're live with
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  Speaker 2: us on YouTube or if you're listening all day long on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Spotify, Facebook, or, you know, Apple or any
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  Speaker 2: of the place where you get the podcasts. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Fran just writes, you know, I agree with Mike on
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  Speaker 2: this one. The assumption that the fans in that picture
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  Speaker 2: weren't Americans speaks volumes.
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  Speaker 4: But that wasn't even the assumption. It wasn't even the point.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, holy cow, there's a big mass of
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  Speaker 4: Indian kids at UT. which is emblematic of the large
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  Speaker 4: share of foreign students who are at UT. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: an attempt to dox them and go, there's Rajiv from
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  Speaker 4: Round Rock. But it's the optics, Mark. It's the headline,
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  Speaker 4: the takeaway. Oh, Karl Rove trashes bigot Republican. Beau French
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  Speaker 4: looks at a picture of a bunch of Indian kids
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  Speaker 4: and says, we've got a problem. And a lot of people,
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  Speaker 4: the pushback was, And I have to admit this. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to sound like Mother Teresa here, but I
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  Speaker 4: saw that picture, and I didn't see a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: Indian kids. I just saw a bunch of college kids
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  Speaker 4: wildly euphoric over UT's big come-from-behind win. Doing the definition
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  Speaker 4: of what it means to assimilate. Going to a football
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  Speaker 4: game and singing hook'em horns. It's the definition of assimilation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Which is also a good point. And I took
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  Speaker 2: calls today. If you heard part of my show, Mark,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you heard the young man who came here on
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  Speaker 2: a student visa. Now he owns a company. He's a
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  Speaker 2: jobs creator. And he said, I was here on a
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  Speaker 2: student visa. He said, I did everything by the book.
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  Speaker 2: I played by the rules. You want to kick me out?
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  Speaker 2: And of course we don't.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we don't. But I did listen to that. And
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  Speaker 4: I said, okay, so we got to take every single
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  Speaker 4: guy who can paint that pretty picture and That if
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  Speaker 4: somebody is able to bring that kind of work ethic–
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  Speaker 4: because he's already here. No, I'm not looking to kick
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  Speaker 4: him out. But if there are a million people like him,
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  Speaker 4: maybe we can only take a half a million.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, sorry. Yeah, maybe there's a limit. Maybe we put
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  Speaker 2: a cap on it and we have some reasonable restrictions.
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  Speaker 2: I just get worried about kind of– A big picture
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  Speaker 2: for just a moment, 35,000 feet. We used to love
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  Speaker 2: to bang the drum of we are opposed to illegal immigrants,
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  Speaker 2: but we celebrate legal immigrants. I'm the grandkid of legal immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Not great grandkid. My parents' parents came over here. On
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  Speaker 2: the boat from Ireland, from Lithuania, you know, and they
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  Speaker 2: did everything by the book. They crossed every T and
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  Speaker 2: dotted every I. And I don't want to all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden be a part of a political party that
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  Speaker 2: has moved the goalposts and said, well, now times have changed.
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  Speaker 2: And now we've got too many legal immigrants in this country.
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  Speaker 4: Why not? And I will tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's a bad look. Because it's a bad look.
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  Speaker 4: When we were both doing shows an hour ago or
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  Speaker 4: an hour and a half ago. I did actually say
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  Speaker 4: if Mike beats me over the head with his Irish
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  Speaker 4: grandparents again, I'm just not having it.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: One more time. If you hear me one more– I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's like me. You're right about that. It's
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  Speaker 2: like you talking about NASA. I get excited about it.
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  Speaker 4: Mike's grandparents weren't Irish. We can't be throwing them out now,
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  Speaker 4: can we?
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  Speaker 2: But I'm proud of that. I'm proud of my family's story,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But you're right to chastise me. And look,
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  Speaker 2: I promoted today on the show, check out the podcast
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  Speaker 2: because Mark's going to knock the snot out. of me
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  Speaker 2: over my issue on this. Not at all.
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  Speaker 4: Because you're right about your grandparents and you have a
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  Speaker 4: good point about the optics. If there are– it is
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  Speaker 4: possible to– let's see if this sentence makes sense. It
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  Speaker 4: is possible for Republicans to make good points. in ways
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  Speaker 4: that are not ultimately helpful, net helpful to us winning
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  Speaker 4: in November.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I knew you would like that sentence.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you'll like this. Don't over-obsess about this. Don't
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  Speaker 4: let the cornins and the roves make you think this.
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  Speaker 2: Is another big rift.
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  Speaker 4: No, this is terrible for Abbott and terrible for Roe.
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  Speaker 4: This entire thing will be forgotten. In a week, French
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  Speaker 4: is going to win. Paxton is going to win. And again,
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  Speaker 4: that's not me being lackadaisical like, oh, we got this.
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  Speaker 2: No problem.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just confident that we're going to do the work,
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  Speaker 4: that we are going to be able to have clarity
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  Speaker 4: and realize that there's no way on God's earth that
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  Speaker 4: Tallarico can be a senator from the state.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me clarify for the benefit of people like
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  Speaker 2: Claudio in the live chat who just said– The UK
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  Speaker 2: is unrecognizable. Mike wants that for the USA. No, I don't, Claudio.
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  Speaker 2: Stop it. I don't want us turning into the UK.
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely get it. I get it. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: So calm down, Claudio. And look, I can't even be
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: in a bad mood when people are yelling at me
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  Speaker 2: because can I share with you some good news, some
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  Speaker 2: personal news? Because I got to get this off my chest.
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  Speaker 2: I touched on it briefly earlier today, but I can
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  Speaker 2: go longer with you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because everybody has probably had some real estate experience in
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  Speaker 2: our lives, buying, selling, the whole process, the whole rigmarole.
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  Speaker 2: So I've made a decision in the last few months
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  Speaker 2: that I wanted to sell my condo, downsize a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: wipe out my debt if I get the asking price
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  Speaker 2: that I wanted or at least close to the asking
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  Speaker 2: price I wanted for my condo, which I loved. I
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  Speaker 2: kind of hate giving that up because I really, really
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  Speaker 2: appreciated it. But look, I'm 66. I'm thinking, what's life
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  Speaker 2: going to be like 5, 10, 20 years from now?
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  Speaker 2: And the plan is to sell the condo, wipe out
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  Speaker 2: all of my debt, and then get into an actual,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not, a rental. which I haven't done
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  Speaker 2: in decades, but my financial guys like Mike, you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to outlive your mortgage. Where you live, the HOA
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  Speaker 2: fees are insane. I mean, my HOA fee, it's $ 2, 100
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  Speaker 2: a month to live in a high-rise condo. $ 2, 100 a month.
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  Speaker 2: That's the HOA. The property tax, $ 28, 000 a year. So
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: guess what happens when you rent? No HOA fees, no
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  Speaker 2: property taxes. And the little maintenance guy comes whenever you
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  Speaker 2: push the button. Yes, he does. So it's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a throwback to back to when I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid.
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  Speaker 4: The little maintenance guy.
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  Speaker 3: The little guy.
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  Speaker 2: The little Juan is his name. So let me happily report.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you why I was sweating bullets
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  Speaker 2: for two or three days. The buyers of my condo
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  Speaker 2: are very peculiar. And let me tell you why they
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  Speaker 2: were holding up the wire transfer yesterday and signing the document.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They found a $ 100 discrepancy. And the couple, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: kidding you, freaked out about the $ 100 discrepancy.
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  Speaker 4: Between what and what? I mean, just some math.
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  Speaker 2: It was some application fee that they paid and they
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  Speaker 2: got billed twice for it. They weren't going to sign
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  Speaker 2: and they were going to wire the money over the $ 100.
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  Speaker 2: I said, can I give them like small bills, large bills, $ 100?
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  Speaker 2: $ 200 to just shut up about it. It took them
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  Speaker 2: all day to get over the $ 100 mistake that they
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  Speaker 2: rectified in five minutes. I mean, it was– anyway, well,
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  Speaker 2: the good news is closed, signed, sealed, delivered. It is over.
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  Speaker 2: I am finished. I'm loving my new home, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: grateful that these– look, this is what amazes me, and
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  Speaker 2: this is why I wanted to bring it up. The
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  Speaker 2: reason I want to ask you about it for just
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  Speaker 2: a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It is true. And look, it's not exactly, this is
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  Speaker 2: not a hovel, right? This is not an inexpensive price.
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  Speaker 2: So if you can live in a place like this condo,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine squabbling over $ 100? But here's the thing, Mark.
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  Speaker 2: But people with money are like this, aren't they? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: would you describe yourself as frugal?
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  Speaker 3: Frugal?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Well, the short answer is yes, because that's if
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  Speaker 4: you are doing kind of okay in life. I ain't
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  Speaker 4: door dashing, you know, what a burger. I'm not stupid.
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  Speaker 4: Even if I could, but I don't do it. So,
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  Speaker 4: so yes, the thing that I'm wondering.
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  Speaker 2: You don't do it because of the, you don't do
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  Speaker 2: it because of the money involved in door dash. Cause
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  Speaker 2: it's stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Stupid to get a, get a water burger delivered to
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  Speaker 2: your door rather than go out in the rain storm.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mile down the road, but they'll bring it
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  Speaker 2: to your door.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I listen, I'm on a first name
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  Speaker 2: basis with every door dasher in Florida. I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 2: door dash, uh, A fair, a somewhat more substantial, if
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  Speaker 2: the door dash.
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  Speaker 4: Means that a, say with me and Lisa, that a
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  Speaker 4: $ 40 meal is 55. Right. Okay. But if, if a
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  Speaker 4: $ 9 Whataburger becomes 18, I'm a big dummy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing though. And people with money
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  Speaker 2: and mad Mike just said this in the text on the,
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  Speaker 2: on the chat room right now. That's why they have
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  Speaker 2: money because they watch every penny.
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  Speaker 3: That is it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's probably why I don't have money because I
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  Speaker 2: don't want– I could care less.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing that I thought if they are– I
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  Speaker 4: mentioned the word persnickety. Maybe it wasn't so much that
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  Speaker 4: I think we're getting screwed out of $ 100 here. It's
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  Speaker 4: just that for a transaction that is the most important
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  Speaker 4: thing almost anybody will ever do, the sale and purchase
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  Speaker 4: of a home, that if something didn't add up, if
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  Speaker 4: something wasn't right, if one of the I's wasn't dotted
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  Speaker 4: and T's wasn't crossed … Set up an alarm or
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  Speaker 4: maybe there's something the matter elsewhere in the paperwork and
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  Speaker 4: maybe they were skittish.
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  Speaker 2: That could be. That could be. All I know is
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  Speaker 2: that it was– I was sweating bullets. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: realtor yesterday was like– here's what they said. They've never
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  Speaker 2: seen anybody raise such a stink over a big transaction
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  Speaker 2: over $ 100 in their life. But I've just been thinking
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  Speaker 2: a lot about the mindset of people who are very
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  Speaker 2: careful with their money, people who are frugal, people who
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  Speaker 2: make sure every dollar counts. And it's just something that
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  Speaker 4: What changed about legal immigration and then and i appreciate
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• 22:03
  Speaker 2: It looked like Senator Mitch McConnell was enjoying his ride
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: yesterday in the wheelchair, but I'm not sure he knew
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: where he was. Mark, did you see it?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: He's officially not dead. He is officially not dead.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Well, he didn't look good. And did you hear him?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Did you hear the audio when they interviewed him? First
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of all, it's been three months. So I don't know
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: how many of us can take a three-month absence from
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: our job and then come back. wheeling back in like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: nothing changed. I mean, this is so bizarre. The Mitch
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: McConnell story is so really shocking. I mean, he'll be
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: gone soon.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't ultimately, I mean, from office, it doesn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: matter as if he were still going to be around
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: for another four years. But do you believe that it
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: underscores what people have called the gerontocracy, where we are
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: led by people who are 90 or thereabouts?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But the problem with that argument is Donald Trump. You know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's 80 years old. He's a few years
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: younger than McConnell. But he doesn't sound like this. I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: don't think you've heard the clip. I'm going to play
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it for you. First of all, understand cameras were not permitted.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They weren't allowed to do a video interview with Mitch McConnell.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But somebody must have had an iPhone or an audio
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: recorder rolling and Because they were able to capture his voice. Now,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you saw the video. He's being wheeled around. He had
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that frozen smile on his face. I don't know. It's heartbreaking.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And I really feel for him. This feels like elder
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: abuse to me. But here is the audio clip, courtesy
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of Fox News Channel, somebody who was able to hear
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: what he said about his much-delayed return to his job
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: as the esteemed senior senator of from Kentucky.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Time to get back to work. I'm here to work
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: on farm buildings. As I think you know, I have
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: an ongoing interest in protecting NATO and basically our good friends.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Who are.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Totally in a fight against the Russians.
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  Speaker 2: Mark, that's elder abuse. That's elder abuse. First of all,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to be mean-spirited here. He
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: sounds like he's had a stroke. I thought he had
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a fall. Didn't he have a fall? Didn't he experience
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a fall, supposedly?
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the full diagnosis is, but you're right.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: That's what you sound like after you fall down?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I fall down a lot, but I don't sound
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Mark, Mark, I mean, that's awful. That is absolutely— wheeling him around,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that's awful. That's terrible. But here's the dilemma. I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: he's retiring in January. Yeah. So you're going to have
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: a replacement, and we need a Republican vote. I guess
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the question is— And it's too late for a special election,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: so it's a vacant seat, right, until January.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, can they roll him in somewhere to
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: fill out the card or press the button or do
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: whatever he's got to do?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Do you hear yourself?
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Can't we roll him in? Can't we roll him in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: to fill out the card? Yeah, like Weekend at Bernie's?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I mean— Mark, I mean, that's terrible.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: First of all, the solution will come here with the
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: election where he will have a Republican successor.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: What if it were three years ago? What if it
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: were four years ago? Six-year terms in the Senate.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Woo-hoo.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: What if this ever happens to somebody who's got four
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: or five years still left and they just won't leave?
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Because you know McConnell would never leave.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: No, they crave that. That's the problem when you talk
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: about the gerotocracy or whatever. The Maxine Waters and the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Mitch McConnells, the Bernie Sanders. Robert Hoover, Dianne Feinstein. They
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to give up that grip on power. Now,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you're right. Andy Barr is going to win that seat.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Andy Barr is going to be the next senator from Kentucky.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, what do you do? But even
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: more than the gerotocracy question, what about term limits? Where
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: are you on the issue of term limits, Mark?
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I've always been open to them, and there's been something
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: which has kept me from signing on to them completely, broadly,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and I've got something very specifically that keeps me from
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: signing on to them specifically. The overall philosophical thing is
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: every 12 years, because that's the usual idea, two terms
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: in the Senate, six terms in the House, that after
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: 12 years, we just got to change you out. And
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: we can bring you back after you're gone. We can
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: bring you back if we love you that much. We
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: can bring you back. But just arbitrarily, we've got to
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: get rid of people, just turnover for the sake of turnover,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: to which I can hear people saying, yes, turnover for
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: the sake of turnover. We never envisioned this lifelong tenure, blah, blah, blah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And that is true. But the one-man argument against term
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: limits is my actual congressman, and that's Brandon Gill. You're
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: telling me I got to get rid of this guy
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: after 10 more years? I'll fight you.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: All day long. All day long.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember years ago when I was a
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: young kid starting out in South Carolina and I got
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to interview Fritz Hollings. Remember Fritz Hollings? Of course.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Ernest Fritz Hollings.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: This tall, distinguished Southern gentleman. I mean, all you wanted
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to do is like sip a margarita on the porch.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: With the palmetto trees.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: In the background.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I meant Julep there, Mike. I think I meant Julep. No, no,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that's what I meant.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: A little more appropriate for Fritz.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: He was. And remember I told you the day he
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: came in and says, Gallagher, what are we going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: do about this Rush Limbaugh fellow? This Rush Limbaugh. He
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: didn't like Rush Limbaugh. And that was right when Rush
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: was starting because I was starting out in talk radio
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: just a year or two after Rush did. In like 88, 89,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: whenever that was. But I asked him that question on air.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I remember like it was yesterday. Gosh, it was 100
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: years ago. But I asked him about term limits. He said,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I have a term limit. We all have term limits.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It's called an election. Every time there's an election, that's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a term limit.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: And it's true. But the powers of the incumbency make
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: it really hard to beat these people. It makes it
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: really hard.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: All the power, all because they could walk around and
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: get covered in the news and go, well, it's equal time. No,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: he's just going around being senator. That's not an equal
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: time thing. They're always campaigning. So I've always sort of
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: understood the arguments on both sides. With time semi-dwindling, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: do want to do a final segment after we do
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: a couple more lovely messages on the Emmys last night,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: which you didn't see. But can we carve out just
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: a couple of minutes on the evolution of the AI debate?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Because I was glad to give you on the radio
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: show this morning, and I will give you here now,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: a huge credit for sort of ushering me along on
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: this argument about, because I was a little foggy yesterday
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: on why the AI companies, private sector companies, why they
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: would crave government oversight. And you just really laid it
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: right out is because number one, they got enough money.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: They're going to be just fine. But they also crave
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: government protection from lawsuits. They want to kind of enjoy
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: a too big to fail status. It's like they want
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to set up a kind of an AI cartel if
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Democrats will just let them. And the Democrats seem to
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: be more than willing to. So I join you in
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: my growing skepticism of the AI panic cult.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, let me play Ben Shapiro for you because he
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: made an appearance last night on that insufferable Abby Phillips
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: show on CNN. He was on the panel and he
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: kind of shut them all down with a very compelling argument.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: You know, he believes that Democrats who are pushing back
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: against AI programs. favor stagnation. They want to throttle the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: AI advancement. China's not going to, they're not going to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: throttle anything back. They're not going to pump the brakes.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And listen to what Ben said last night on CNN about,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the beginning of the end of the American
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: economy if we let the Democrats be able to regulate
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and push back artificial intelligence progress.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: There's one other point that nobody's talking about. There are
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: two risks, and it's fun to talk about the apocalyptic
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: risk because we've all seen apocalypse movies. There is a
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: much more significant risk that is much higher threat that
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: is much more likelihood. Not higher threat, but more likelihood.
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: And that is the risk of stagnation. If you stagnate AI,
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: it is probably the beginning of the end of the
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: American economy. We are currently running into economic dire straits
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: in which key bills are absolutely getting crushed, in which
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: we have a $ 40 trillion national debt. And both parties,
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: there is a uniparty. The uniparty is for spending enormous
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: amounts of money and never paying for any of it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: That is the actual uniparty in the United States. The
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: only possible escape from that is to reach some sort
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: of escape velocity in terms of productivity, which is why
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: the Trump administration has been pushing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I love it when they let the conservative talk and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: they all start yelling at him. They all yell. It's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like the firing squad. But he's right, Mark. That's the point.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And take a look. Pay close attention to the Democrats
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: lining up saying, oh, we've got to regulate AI. We've
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: got to get congressional approval. Bernie wants to put people
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in jail if they develop super intelligence. Now, let's be honest.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: You and I can both admit it kind of scares
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the hell out of us. what AI is capable of doing.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: If something goes wrong, look at that book we keep
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: talking about, Carbon Zero. But on the other hand, I
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: think it's going to come down to this, Mark. We're
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: either going to take the risk or we're not. We're
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: either going to have to take the risk and advance,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: or we're going to We're going to fail.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Kind of a tradeoff, or as Ben kind of said,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: because you phrased it perfectly, of course, the risk of
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: taking these steps versus the risk of not taking these steps. Exactly.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: It's a tradeoff. There's no perfect black or white, definitely smart,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: definitely dumb way to go. No matter what you do,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: if we go gung-ho, there are perils to that. If
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: we rein it in too much, there are perils there.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I didn't get to the Kamala Harris
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: clip on my show earlier today, but thank goodness for
• 32:09
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• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of it. Kamala has weighed in. Now, we can laugh
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: at this clip I'm about to play. Let me first
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: of all disclaim this is not AI. This is not
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: an actress. This is real. This is the former vice
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: president of the United States and potential future presidential candidate
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: for the Democrat Party weighing in on the perils of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: artificial intelligence and advancement. I give you Kamala Harris.
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: AI is kind of a fancy thing. It's first of all,
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: it's two letters. It means artificial intelligence. But ultimately what
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: it is, is it's about machine learning. And so the
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: machine is taught. And part of the issue here is
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: what information is going into the machine that will then determine,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: and we can predict then if we think about what
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: information is going in, what then will be produced in
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: that process.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Mark, Mark, Mark... I've seen that before. That one's got
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: some years on it, maybe some months on it at least.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? What does that have to do
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: with anything? She's talking like an imbecile. She's the biggest
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: dummy I've ever seen. I mean, my Lord, she could
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: have the nuclear codes?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Now, Mark, the fact that that dummy
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: would even be considered a potential future presidential candidate is
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a terrible reflection of where we are as a country
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: right now, isn't it? Good news.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think she will be allowed within a mile
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: of the nomination. But then again, but then who will?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: The moon comes off Gavin Newsom's rose. All the Andy Beshear,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: you know, he's just boring. I don't, I tell you, okay, listen.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Did you see Jake Tapper? Did you see Jake Tapper
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: fly fishing with Gavin Newsom this week on CNN? I did.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: And that's where Gavin Newsom actually said, if Kamala runs,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I won't. I've had it to my eyeballs. If this
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: person runs, I won't.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Guess what? If you feel like you need to be president,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: you go run. If somebody else runs, I don't want to.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: That is for the birds.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. I mean, Marco, Ruby, the whole thing. But look,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: first of all, when I play this clip for you,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I want you to picture Jake Tapper going deer hunting
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: with Ron DeSantis. I mean– Ain't ever going to happen,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: but he wants to go fishing with Gavin Newsom in
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: some stream somewhere. Of course. What the hell is this
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: all about? Here it is. And watch and listen to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper's shocked reaction when Gavin Newsom says he won't
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: run if that dingbat, Kamala Harris, decides to run. Listen
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to this. Check this out.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of Democrats. 31 flavors. You're not even
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the only Californian. No. Right. You've got Ro Khanna. Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. Yeah, I don't know if she runs, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: we'll see. I know she's called around. Yeah, but I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: wouldn't run if she ran.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: If she runs, you will not?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Of course not. Why would I? I wouldn't do that
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: to her. I wouldn't do it to me. Why would I?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to you. I wouldn't waste everyone's time.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Who needs that? What do you mean? That doesn't even
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: make sense to me.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I just, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. First of all, electorally,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: it's a gift from God for everybody else. They enjoy
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: the hell out of it. Mutual assured destruction. It services
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: no greater good.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you do whatever you want. I don't care.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: But like counterargument would be like, you know, she had
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a shot.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: And you've never run and she's run twice.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, that would be the approach to the campaign, certainly.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: That would be the case. You'd make a pretty good one, actually.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: You know, that's objectively true. I just, but I know
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: what that means. I know her base of supporters.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I know her friends. The Zen diagram on that is
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: just pure crossover.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: It's not, I wouldn't do that to, I wouldn't do that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Mark, you know, I know you and I've had some cringy,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: cheesy moments in our careers. I don't think I've ever
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: seen a minute and a half of a more cringeworthy
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: video in my life, especially.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: With the cheesy music. I don't know that I have either.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: And let's analyze why, because I could see people, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: just saying, well, it's just a couple of guys fly fishing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: First of all, if either of them had a fishing
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: pole in their hands ever before the day they shot that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: There's some weird technique going on there.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I saw somebody post on social media, I'll give $ 50
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: for a picture of the person taking the video. Like
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the cameraman. I mean, they're standing there in water up
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to their knees like a couple of extras from Deliverance.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: And they're throwing their lines into the water. And they
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: got the stupid bro sunglasses on and the bro baseball caps.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: The two of them... This is just so bad. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: they're just fly fishing. Oh, we just happen to be
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: in the stream together. CNN newsman along with the governor
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of California. We're just in the Walnut Creek stream in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the back of the studio. We decided to go fly
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: fishing in the middle of the day and bring a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: camera along and add the bumper music, the cheesy music
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: in the background.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you what. It all just happened to happen,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: these two guys together. Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: We're just buddies that way. We're just friends that way.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You want to know where there were cameras and where
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: there were a couple of buddies in a significant place?
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: It was you and it was me and it was Guatemala.
• 37:35
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• 37:38
  Speaker 4: It was we were there with food for the poor,
• 37:40
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• 37:46
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• 37:54
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  Speaker 4: We watched the miracle of what Food for the Poor
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  Speaker 4: for all the things that all of our partners are
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  Speaker 4: able to do. And Mike, last night I texted you
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: as we, because you're doing the show. It's not like
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: we can have a lot of chat time before we
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: get going. So I texted you, did you see the Emmys?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And you said that you did not. So this is
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: kind of cool. I'll take just a few final moments
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: here and take you through what some of the highlights were.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Because we watch a lot of shows and we've seen
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: a lot of shows. But I will tell you the
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: highlight for me. The Bob Hope Humanitarian Award was given
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: to Michael J.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Fox.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: And the great Julianna Margulies, who worked with him in
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: what was the– it's not Spin City.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was. I don't know.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: But they worked together.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Spin City, right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Okay. She spoke well of him. And I thought, okay.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: First of all, did you watch Shrinking with Harrison Ford
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: and Jason Segel?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. No.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: He is in that. Harrison Ford, as his aging psychologist character,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: is dealing with some Parkinson's. He goes to a doctor.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And sitting there in the waiting room is Michael J.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Fox.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: And he's kind of got rocking and rolling a little bit,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: just as the Parkinson's people will do. He's got a
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: little bit of the shimmy to him. And Michael J.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Fox asks Harrison Ford, you know, what are you in for?
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: And he said, well, I'm here for a Parkinson's diagnosis.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: You?
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: And he says, I'm here for a haircut. It was
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: just vintage Michael J.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Fox.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I love this guy so much. Dating back to Family
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Ties and all the movies he's done. And they did
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: indeed wheel him out because Walking was not really on
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: the program. And he had a few heartfelt things to
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: say about the gratitude of the industry gathered to honor him.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: It was a longstanding ovation. It was absolutely magnificent. He's
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: raised more than $ 3 million for Parkinson's research. And I
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: just can't say enough about the great Michael J. Fox.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: It was a really, really great moment.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And by the way, a gutsy thing to do, a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: gutsy thing that when you're in that physical situation and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you're facing that kind of a challenge to say, here
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I am, world, you know, and that takes a lot
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of guts. I don't know about you. I'd probably be
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: hard to leave the living room, you know, hard to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: leave the house. Now, did you– okay, we're going to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: go through a couple of did you watch. Did you do–
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we did Widow's Bay, both of us, right?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Before– back up a little bit because I do want
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to share with you what I did see from the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Emmy Awards because I loved the series Hacks with Gene Smart.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Who won again. She won, what is it, five years
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: in a row? She won Best Actress. So she's amazing.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: There's a comedian on that show, a comic named Meg Salter.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And she plays the ditzy assistant to the agent. Because
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there's two of them that run the agency that Gene
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Smart's character was part of, right? And she was the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: daughter of the big fat cat guy that owned the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: big agency. Well, she showed up last night as an
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: actual Emmy Award. She was spray-painted in gold. She had
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: on these little shorts. And she's a large woman. had
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: on this spray-painted gold, and she was holding the Emmy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: You know how the Emmy is this lady that's holding
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the globe up over her head? So this woman, this actress,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: who's hysterical, she was walking around holding the globe up
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: over her head looking like a lunatic, but it was
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a pretty funny moment, and I've got to give her
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: credit for creativity because that was quite a costume.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Talk about going all in, and it didn't help her
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: win in that actual— she was in the supporting actress category—
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: That was won by Kate O'Flynn for Widows Bay, one
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: of like 15 Emmys that Widows Bay won. Matthew Rhys
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: won for Widows Bay. He got both of the best
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: actor things for comedy and for miniseries, whatever thing that
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: he was in for a thing called The Beast in
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Me with Claire Danes. And I'm dating back to the Americans.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Matthew Reese, who you just forget is Welsh. He walks
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: up and goes and speaks in that wonderful Welsh brogue.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: But he had the whole the show did incredibly well.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: A couple of the speed of the show. I always
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: like my award shows to be watchable. Mariska Hargitay, who
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: was was from Law and Order SVU, keeps saying SUV.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever watched an episode of that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I know who she is. Is she Jane Mansfield's daughter?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: She is. She is. In fact, there's a documentary that
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: she did about her mom, Jane Mansfield. And Jane Mansfield
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: died in a horrible car crash. you know, and it's
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: real graphic and everything else. But yeah, she's, she's Jane
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Mansfield's daughter and, but has had this illustrious career as
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the staple of law and order for about a hundred years.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's been on that show forever. And can
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you imagine the bank she's making on that show?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Exactly right. And she, she had a little fun with
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: herself and that was kind of self deprecating. She wasn't,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I think she had a little bit of case of
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the nerves, but who among us would not, she did. Okay.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: There was a pre-taped thing that I featured her buddy,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Taylor Swift and, The show, actually, it was just fine.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: It was fine. She at one point said it was
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: a category, I guess, for actress in a drama. And
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: she said, yeah, I won this 18 years ago. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: since then, I've won a number of Emmys. That number
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: is zero. So she did fine.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: So did we bring you around on the pit? You
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: went dark on the pit.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I tried it. I tried again. I think it's so contrived.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I've tried it. I don't like it at all. I tried.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: It won outstanding drama.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Of course you did.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you did Pluribus, the thing that
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Vince Gilligan rolled out, the guy who was behind Breaking
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Bad and Better Call Saul. It was great. Ray Sehorne
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: won for lead actress there. Noah Wiley won lead actor
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: for the bit. Did you do The Diplomat with Keri Russell?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Which is just– its new season is coming up. It's fantastic.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Allison Janney won supporting actress in a drama for that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of– I haven't done Slow Horses with
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Gary Oldman. A guy named Tom Pelfrey won for a
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: show called Task for supporting actor in a drama, beating
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: up Billy Crudup at the morning show. And then some
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: of the folks from the pit out. OK, this just
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: makes me insane. Have we talked about The Bear, the
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: restaurant show out of Chicago?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, that's a big hit.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: It is, and it's unbelievably great. It is an unbelievably heavy, dramatic,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: and emotional show that also happens to have some funny moments.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: It is listed in the Emmys in every category as
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: a comedy. Makes me insane. Absolutely insane. Outstanding comedy was
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Widow's Bay. Jean Smart won for lead actress in a comedy.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Lead actor in a comedy was Matthew Rhys for Widow's Bay.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: The supporting actress in a comedy was Kato Flynn for
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Widows Bay. Stephen Root, who played the quirky boat captain
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: in Widows Bay, he got supporting actor in a comedy.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: So those were some of the– we got to see
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of Sally Field. She was in a thing
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: called Remarkably Bright Creatures, which is about some stupid octopus
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I'm given to understand.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that was. Oh, the ending? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: So there's that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: And she beat out Claire Danes and Sarah Snutt for
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: all her fault. Matthew Rees got Best Lead Actor in
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Limited Anthology Series. So I think that's really about it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: You mentioned about Hacks. It also got Outstanding Writing, which
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: features the great Paul W. Downs, who also plays the partner.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: They run the agency. He's Jimmy, who runs the agency.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: He's also sort of almost the showrunner. for that thing.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And Hacks also got another director Emmy and just all that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: But it was pretty cool.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Everything you want to know about the Emmy Awards, Mark's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: got you covered. This is clearly in your wheelhouse. There
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you go. We watch a lot of stuff.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: We're in a golden age. I mean, there was a
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: time when we were all kids. It seemed like all
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: the shows were great, all in the family, Mary Tyler Moore, Gunsmoke,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: and they were. But there was a lot of garbage
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: on that we, of course, have forgotten about. Then before
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: 57 Channels on Cable, there was a period where TV,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I think in a lot of the 80s and 90s,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: kind of was garbage, even though there was Seinfeld and
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Frasier and.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: All those good things. Well, you get way into this stuff,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and I always feel a little bit inadequate because– First
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: of all, I don't even know how the hell you
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: have the time to watch all these shows. I don't
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody has so much time to
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: watch just about every much compelling. Oh, my gosh.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: There's a lot that I don't. There's a lot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: But I should do. But I should do better at
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it because you are so right. When I come across
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: something that you've recommended or a show like this or
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a series. And it's like, wow, this is great television.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: This is great work. And it is the golden age.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: And I just don't see a lot of it. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: don't watch a lot of it. And frankly, I would
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: be well served to do so because, you know, expand
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: your horizons a little bit. I'm still stuck on Yellowstone
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: from about five years ago.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: I have a dorky final question on this. If there
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  Speaker 4: is a made-for-TV movie, because one of the categories was
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  Speaker 4: extended series or movie, you know, that happened to be
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  Speaker 4: on Netflix or happened to be on, you know, something else.
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  Speaker 4: Should that be an Emmy or an Oscar? It's a movie,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not really. Oscars are about theaters. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: because I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But look at what they're doing with television right now.
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  Speaker 2: Look at Yellowstone. That was cinematic gold. Every episode. And 50,
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  Speaker 2: 60 hours of it. Isn't that 10 times more impressive
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  Speaker 2: than a two-hour movie, no matter how good it is?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Like you said, it is the golden era. And on
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that happy note, enjoy your Tuesday. We appreciate you tuning in.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Mike.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: He's Mark. Have a wonderful Tuesday, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Bye.