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Talks to suspects Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of Terror of the Vervoids (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Sai and Fraser, please leave me to my static and solitary
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  peregrinations. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt pen knife, the Agatha Christie Sunday Night Doctor Who
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  Spectacular podcast. Gentlemen, how are you today?
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  All good. How are you?
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  Yeah. Brilliant.
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  I hear there has been a murder in the Ham fam.
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  No. Yes.
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  Who? Well, that's what I'm here to
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  find out by the end of this particular episode.
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  OK, I. Think that was me murdering the
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  Rocky Horror Show but that was the last episode.
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  Now I. Shall reveal who the victim was
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  and I shall know from your reactions as to which one of you
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  is responsible. Alas, former Hamster contributor
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  David Maskell has died with a. Enormous knife plunged.
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  Into his back and a wheel of cheese bashed over his head.
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  I suspect I know who. May have been guilty, but I
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  shall reveal it at the end of the episode.
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  What type of cheese? Oh, it was a.
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  Huge Yarlsberg. Oh, you always used to love that
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  episode of Midsummer Murders where Martine Mcclatchan was
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  down in that cellar and someone murdered her with a wiggle of
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  cheese. So I figured that's the way
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  you'd want to go. What a.
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  Way to go. You know Yorksberg, Maybe he's
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  not, but you know a good cheddar over parmesan.
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  Then you. Already interrogated the rest of
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  the Ham fam and they've all got solid alibis.
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  Only you 2. I don't believe it.
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  I think it was Lucy McCall. It's always the one you least
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  expect. It is.
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  Hiding in plain sight, you think?
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  Yep. OK, well, we are here not just
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  to find out which two of you is a fiendish murderer, but also to
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  do a commentary on episode 2. Or. 9 No 10 Where the hell are
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  we? It's fucking thing.
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  Episode 10 of Trial of a Tyre Lord.
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  Episode 2 of Terror of the Verve Void.
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  You can understand why people were a bit confused at the time.
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  How's it all going so far? It's great, isn't it?
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  It's it's bags of fun and it feels like the fun's been let in
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  for this season. So it is.
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  It's it's played seriously, but you can sense everyone knows
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  that they're doing kind of Agatha Christie and are fitting
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  their roles and making everyone possible a possible suspect for
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  this. I'm very pleased that you
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  brought that upside because before we go into the episode,
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  what I'd like to do, and I haven't done this for some time
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  now, on a hamster commentary is for the two of you, gentlemen,
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  one sentence at a time, each batting back and forth to tell
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  us where we are so far in the plot of terror of the verbal.
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  It's to date I want every suspect accounted for si start
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  us off. So Captain Tonka Travis is an
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  old friend of Doctor Who's. He is in charge of this ship.
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  He is going to investigate these murders.
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  He's already decided that that in his book, this is murder.
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  So he is, he's not necessarily a subject, but he is the one, the
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  key. He's going to be like the
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  Inspector Jack to the doctors, Poirot.
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  Fraser. So we've got a big suspect as
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  shifty look and Scouse Guru with the beard, and that's either
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  Granville or Hallett, depending on which old man you listen to.
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  But we've seen him shifting around the place and putting his
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  little visor down and looking really shifty and but he seems
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  to have been murdered. He's been chucked into the
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  pulverizers. So it can't possibly be him, now
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  can it? Sign.
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  But there's Janet, the receptionist.
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  Oh yes, she's. So innocent.
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  She's so lovely. She makes delicious coffee, she
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  brings biscuits round to people she can't possibly hand over the
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  the the list of people who are on the ship.
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  She knows her job inside out. Couldn't possibly be Janet,
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  could it? And in the hydroponic centre,
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  Fraser. Well, that's where you'll find
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  Professor Lasky sneaking around, because she's definitely got
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  something to hide in her isolation room now hasn't she?
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  Along with them, Dooland and Bruckner have two assistants.
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  That's a way too much exercise for one person to do when
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  they've not got something to hide.
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  Is it Lasky? Sigh.
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  I believe I saw a security officer looking a bit shifty.
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  Mr. Rudge, he's only got this is his last, last mission.
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  It's the last time he's being forced into retirement.
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  He doesn't seem happy about it. Could he be behind all of this?
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  It's a possibility. Maybe he's not being well paid,
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  Maybe he hasn't topped up his pension.
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  Who knows? Fraser, who is the apparently
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  frail, delicate old man wandering about the place.
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  Oh. No one knows who he is but my
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  eye. Mr. Kimber.
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  Now I was immediately drawn to the the quite clearly sleazy and
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  flirtatious communications officer Edwards, who you know is
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  he's clearly wrong and he's clearly up to no good as he
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  sproules around the hydroponics Bay looking for his latest
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  victim. Until such time as he touches
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  the electrified fence and someone screens in a key of F or
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  D or E minor. Who knows?
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  Outside, does this throw any suspicion on the spunky redhead
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  that's doing aerobics all about the place?
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  She's just full of spunk. She's full of get up and go.
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  Nothing is going to stop her investigating.
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  We've already seen her shifterly trying to get into a hotel room
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  and being stopped by security, looking at a picture that she's
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  pretending as a map of the Hyperion Free, but it's actually
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  a piece of modern art and say, oh, you've got a gym here.
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  Oh, no one's fooled, Madam. And finally, Fraser, who is this
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  man wandering around like a. Colourful court jester.
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  Court jester, maybe he's more of a clown.
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  He's he can pull, pull. Have you heard his rendition of
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  On With the Motley? Unfortunately I have but.
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  Count your blessings. Bye.
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  You know as. As as someone who tried to sing
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  on the last one, I don't think I'm in any place to.
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  Very succinct there. Thank you very much.
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  I think everyone's up to speed. Yeah, we've been paying
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  attention. Yep.
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  So should we watch the episode? We better had yes.
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  Who's going to have the phrase count us in?
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  I shall count us in, then key in 54321 and scream.
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  Yes, I love that, Ian, don't you?
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  Or do we miss the Peter Howell scream?
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  Well, I do miss the Peter Howe screen, but by this point in the
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  season I've grown to really love this theme and I'm eagerly
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  awaiting the the single version coming out.
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  Which comes out early 1988. Which is not early 1987 even.
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  Which is not a great time because this will already be
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  superseded by the time the single is released.
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  Because we know, Fraser, that the best theme of all is just
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  around the corner, don't we? Low spectrum light, you say?
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  Yeah. Something to do with
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  photosynthesis. Apparently.
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  You know Edwards had such promise, didn't he?
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  Did you hear him earlier when he went?
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  Oh, you make delicious coffee, Janet.
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  You know, patronising Git. Well.
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  What's really interesting, I'm going to say a bit about the
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  costume design here, because we've got Andrew Rose Who doing
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  the costume design, and Andrew Rose does 3 Doctor Who stories,
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  and all of the people who live on spaceships or live in space
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  have exactly the same kind of style.
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  So he does Planets of Wretched Evil where you've got costume
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  with great big round collars. And he comes back.
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  And shoulder pads. Then he comes back and he does
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  Kings of Andrazani where someone like Trail Morgas has shoulder
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  pads and a great big round collar.
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  Then he does this where the spaceships have great big.
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  Now I'm not saying he has a lack of inspiration, but he's
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  definitely got a style he likes a.
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  Tuna, doesn't he? He does.
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  I mean, you know, you've got a style.
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  You just what about that woman that did arc in space and then
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  came back all those years later and did Christmas carols?
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  Exactly the same. Yes, Barbara kids.
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  So Oh. Here we go, we're in the.
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  Trial a bit more now, which is because I do miss Linda
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  Bellingham and Michael Jason, you know.
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  Yeah. No, Madam, I'm being
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  manipulated. It's it is such a a keen eyed
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  performance of the doctor at this point because the doctor
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  is, you know, he's he's he's beaten, he's been beaten down,
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  he's been beaten down by the valley, he's been beaten down by
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  the loss of Perry and he's he's so on the back foot and this is
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  his this should be him in the ascendancy.
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  This should be him putting his case forward and, you know,
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  defending himself. But you can just tell he is
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  just, he is against the wolves. I mean Collins playing it that
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  way. They do hang a Lantern on it.
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  Yeah, they do say it in dialogue.
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  But for the first 3 episodes of this story, he's seen
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  deliberately flouting authority and being a general nuisance.
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  Now I know in the last episode Tom Kafani turns around and
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  goes, we need your undivided commitment, you know, thank you
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  very much. And he's like, hey, there you
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  go. But I mean, he makes the trial
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  wait some time whilst he's. Wow.
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  Yeah, the precise opposite of. What you should be?
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  Doing yes. It's a very recognizable trait
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  that he's doing at the minute. It's because in the previous two
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  he has arrived at the scene, he has uncovered the mystery and he
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  has then went to solve and here he has been played.
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  So his reaction is to push back against what's expected of him.
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  It's it's. It's.
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  Persistent demand avoidance, you know, it's, it's a trait that
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  I'm becoming a lot more familiar with through dealing with my son
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  who's autistic. You know, the more that you
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  demand someone to do something who's got APDA profile, the more
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  they will not do it and they will push back and you've got to
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  find another way in. It's like talking to Joe.
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  Yeah, I was fine. Maybe I should do that test, you
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  know? It's yeah.
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  So it, I mean, obviously it's it's nothing of the sort in this
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  instance because, you know, the doctor has not coded being
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  autistic in any way, shape or form.
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  But you know, when I say that when I see him, you know, he's
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  answered the media and people are expecting him.
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  You know, he's had this mystery thrust upon him and people are
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  expecting him to go and solve it for him to see.
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  And I'm not playing your game, you know?
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  He's a bit sly than that, isn't it's?
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  Super recognized he's still doing it, but he's like, I'm
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  going to do it on my turns. I am not going to jump through
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  your hoops. I'm not going to dance to your
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  tune. I will do this.
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  Yeah, Mel, Mel is old. No, no, no, come on.
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  And he's just like, no, no, I'm not.
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  There's that underlying respect between him and Travers that I
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  really like. I think of all of the Calling
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  goes to meet people from his past stories and there's plenty.
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  Of a lot of those as Mel. Mcgillan that star three, you
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  know, we've there's a lot of them.
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  I think this is the most believable.
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  I absolutely. But the time you get to the last
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  episode and they're sort of talking in hush tones as to how
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  they're going to bring this whole thing and how he takes the
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  Commodore into his confidence at the end, you know, in the climax
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  when he unveils stolen, I really believe it.
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  Yeah, I quite like the fact that the Commodore's not cutting up
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  with any of his nonsense and is cutting in the 1 is.
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  J Baker's like. We've had enough of you, Colin.
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  Now we haven't done this mulchiness.
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  Can you guys think of a more Pip and Jane line then?
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  I don't think you'll find enjoyments on the agenda I
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  should say. That at the start.
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  They're kind of hamster commentaries, I'm sure.
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  Everyone is enjoying this one. You can't.
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  Not really, can't you? I did love Mel in that previous
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  scene as well, she goes. I don't need the doctor to talk
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  out for me. I'll do it myself, you know.
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  And then Bonnie. Gets her old time theatrical
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  life. Well, the the answer's obvious
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  to me. You've got a killer on board.
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  Well. Yeah.
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  We know that. Yes.
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  We figured that one out ourselves.
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  Thank you. This hydroponic site base set is
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  really nice as. Well, I really like this cargo
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  Bay. I think this is really nicely
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  done. It feels really industrial
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  levels. Again, like they can shoot the
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  TARDIS from above, which I always.
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  Yeah, which is always, always a joy.
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  And, and here you've got Dolan and Bruckner, who haven't really
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  been to the fore yet, and you're getting an idea of of who they
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  are. Bruckner is, is panicky.
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  Dolan is sort of ice cold and rational, and so they they play
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  off each other quite nicely because they're they're two
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  polar opposites. Yeah, he's so casual.
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  He goes, oh, some fool must have introduced Louis Veteran Light
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  here. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a
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  very Patrick Reichardt performance.
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  It would be like if Fraser was a murderer, you know, he'd be very
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  casual about it all. Whereas you would be the drama
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  joker. I'd be broke now, yeah.
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  The drama and the chaos in the middle.
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  Do you see the name Sigh in the history books?
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  Oh, I think I'll be on a black one and I'll pull off that pink
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  Cape. Oh, this scene in a minute with
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  the Doctor it requires. Tact and finesse.
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  Fortunately, I am blessed with both he's.
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  So. Funny and Mel, she gets another
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  very theatrical like now what have you landed us in?
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  Yeah, and it's one of those Colin eye rolls.
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  Look. So this bit in a minute, Yeah.
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  In the between shooting the studio footage, it's so funny
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  because she's trying to say, you know, oh, it's a colossal leap,
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  you know, grow in desert sands and she keeps.
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  Getting it wrong. So she wants to go again.
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  So one time she goes. It's a colossal oh fuck.
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  And Colin goes. Colin goes, oh really?
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  Oh, I'll be there. And then the second.
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  Time she goes, this is a colossal shit.
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  He went, oh, that's just now, is it?
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  And then the amount of times Colin has to throw the Demeter
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  seed in the air and catch it in his mouth and it all keeps
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  going. Come on, have another sweetie.
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  It's great for it. Oh, lots of care in here.
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  Well, it's the Megarian sneaking round, but forgot to mention the
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  Megarians the Oh yeah. Well.
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  We did, didn't we? Yeah.
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  Of the story switch on your translator.
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  It's the accent. There's no point.
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  It doesn't get any better with the translator.
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  That puts an entirely different on things, you know, pretty your
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  friend Fraser the comedian wasn't as lucid.
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  It's Colin looks so frustrated and it's brilliant.
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  It's a great. Bit of comedy.
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  Remember that one of those first scenes in the Marian conspiracy
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  where the doctors trying to talk about Queen?
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  Is it Queen Anne? Yeah.
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  And Evelyn won't let him get a word in.
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  He's going, Oh yeah, trying, trying to say his beer.
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  It's exactly the same sort of thing.
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  Yeah, Colin's much more likable when he's on the back foot.
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  Yeah. He may be a fool, but it's not a
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  criminal criminal. And then when he gets hit in his
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  mouth, they all go well. Done.
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  Oh yeah, it's an interesting response.
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  You know, he has a seed. I've no idea what it does.
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  It grows in deserts. But you know I'm going to chew
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  it anyway. That's a nice set as well for
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  the. Bridge is it?
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  Yeah. And the screen effect is, is
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  really nicely done. But but we're we're seeing here
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  that they're they're, they're getting a bit close to the black
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  hole of Tartarus. Yeah, gulp, I believe.
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  They can very unpredictable. How many black holes of Tartarus
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  have you explored? Thai.
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  Not as many as you. That's still being debated, all
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  right. Well, I fancy one of those
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  biscuits. They don't love it.
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  Don't you like a biscuit that's half shortbread, half chocolate?
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  Yeah, that that was classy biscuits in the 80s, that that
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  was your the ones you bring out for your special occasions that
• 17:13
  come in a special box. I mean, I think this Wicker
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  furniture might have been quite classy in the 80s, but now?
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  Wow. We get a bit of back story now.
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  Don't worry about yeah, humanity going through space like a
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  plague of interplanetary locusts.
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  We're back to the Bob and Dave version of the future, So.
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  It is. Which is probably completely
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  coincidental, but but ties in nicely.
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  Well, it's a bromide. Something that takes down your
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  libido usually. What does it mean in that
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  context? He says.
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  That's hardly a denial, simply. A bromide.
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  Some. It's basically something to keep
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  us happy, yes. So why they can't just say
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  you're just yeah, but it's just a platitude.
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  I won't go into the details again, but Jane Baker was put in
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  no sexual themes in this at all, all right?
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  He won't have it. He knew on top.
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  Yeah, designer the verb. I started there.
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  No, I mean putting it on the front cover of Doctor Who
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  Magazine. I was earlier today I was
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  talking to to Jason and telling him about the story we were
• 18:27
  about to do the commentary on and say saying about this.
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  And then he said, So what are the monsters in this one?
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  And he said they're vervoids. And he said, what are they?
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  They're plants and they look like everything.
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  They look like bums, They look like vaginas.
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  And and he said that's not possible.
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  Then I sent him a picture and he said oh so.
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  Do you think our fear of the Vervoids as I may have stunted
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  our growth as potential heterosexuals?
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  It's a fucking lutely, but my brother was obsessed with them
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  so there we go. So was Fraser.
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  We do need just to pull us back to the the screen of the minute.
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  Yes. To what's happening, it's the
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  Valley Yard has has stopped the recording of of the show to to
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  question why they are, you know, watching the doctor argue about
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  minor's rights and politics and everything.
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  And so you can see where he's going wrong, because we're all
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  watching Terror, the Verboys, and he's watching Colony in
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  Space. Oh, of course.
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  I thought we looked a bit bored. I'm sorry, Fraser.
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  I quite like the star effects. See, I know you can see the
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  fringe a little bit and in the in the gym as well.
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  There's low ankle shots at the gym.
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  Where you can. See the windows.
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  I mean they're the OS stood on the promenade of DS9 waiting for
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  the. It does.
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  Oh, here we go. Now what does this?
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  Mean Mel's going into her brown study, so it's obviously her
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  study painted brown. Oh, OK, is.
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  It. I think Mr. Kimber might be in a
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  bit of a. Brown study.
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  Oh, no, oh, Oh no. That Mugarian?
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  Oh, he's dying. He's doing the hokey cokey and
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  turns around. He's not a McGarry.
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  This is a proper pyro moment, isn't it?
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  It is. The doctor, he's so savvy, he's
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  been figuring it all out. Yes, here's the question for you
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  then. Did either of used to spot that
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  on the first time you watched? It no.
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  No. The other day.
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  But all the clues are there. And I've heard people, you know,
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  yeah, when he goes to the back to the trial room and he goes,
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  oh, you know, the dead McGuire and did not switch on his
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  translator like, oh, stating the obvious, Pip and Jane.
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  No, no, there are like 5 year olds watching this.
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  Yeah. It allows them to feel clever.
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  I was 13, I didn't get it. 1414, I didn't get it.
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  You know, it's nothing about 5 year olds.
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  It's about, you know, it's, it's, it's only obvious because
• 21:04
  you know, now it's easy enough to.
• 21:07
  It's like Sasheel Estram. You know he's only obvious
• 21:11
  because you know, you can spot. I've got.
• 21:13
  That one phrase I've got so she. Yeah, because you knew about and
• 21:17
  you watch you. Insult the king.
• 21:19
  Yeah, it's only obvious because you know about I did that poll
• 21:24
  and everyone said they were fooled.
• 21:26
  So. I I'm going to say something
• 21:28
  negative about this story, though, and that is the fellow
• 21:30
  who plays Hallett stroke Grenville.
• 21:33
  He ain't very good, is he? He only gets a couple of lines,
• 21:36
  but I don't really get the sense that he's been.
• 21:39
  To Stella Storer. I feel like he's supposed to be
• 21:41
  like sort of James Bond or the space waves, but I wasn't really
• 21:44
  getting that vibe. I mean, he's dressed up, he's in
• 21:47
  costume for half of it, isn't he?
• 21:49
  So he's dead. Now we don't really get a feel
• 21:51
  for him, but the doctor admired him.
• 21:55
  And he was a subtle man. I hear, you know, sledgehammer
• 21:59
  tactics. Tactics are not like him at all.
• 22:01
  He was a maverick. This is great would.
• 22:04
  Say his kind again. It cuts from Raj going you are
• 22:07
  that just leaves one problem. You know, how did you know?
• 22:10
  And then it comes to the Valiant.
• 22:11
  Yes. How did you?
• 22:12
  Know how did you know? Have you been editing the
• 22:14
  matrix? And this is good because now the
• 22:17
  Valiant's on the back foot. He's, he's got a bit of like.
• 22:21
  But it it gives the Doctor a bit more of his old confidence back.
• 22:27
  That's and I just love the bit where Colin says and the
• 22:31
  imposter Mercarian did not switch on his translator.
• 22:36
  What he says. Oh, have your?
• 22:38
  Moment of glory. Well, of course he would
• 22:42
  remember that, being the Doctor himself, you know.
• 22:44
  Oh, sorry, spoilers. He's not the doctor, he's
• 22:48
  Michael Grade. Stop it.
• 22:50
  Does that make Terra De Vervoise the most special Doctor Who
• 22:52
  story of all time? Because not only is it on the
• 22:55
  DUV, the Blu-ray set as itself, but also an extended version and
• 23:00
  a cut down version as well. Well, it's not cut down, is it?
• 23:04
  It's, it's an alternate version without the trial scenes, but
• 23:09
  with some of the other scenes put back in.
• 23:11
  So how it could have been as as a a stand alone story and it
• 23:16
  stands alone really really well. A multiverse of Vervoy, Yeah.
• 23:22
  Because the beautiful. New title sequence as well.
• 23:27
  There's nothing sort of like, you know, in the other two.
• 23:30
  Obviously Mind Warp was very much around.
• 23:32
  This is what the Doctor was doing before he was took out for
• 23:35
  the trial. And there's a lot of sort of
• 23:37
  backwards and forwards about, you know, what's happening, you
• 23:40
  know, is the Doctor mind warped or is he evil or is he is the
• 23:45
  matrix line? And then mysterious planet is,
• 23:47
  you know, got his stuff with draft was handbag and then all
• 23:51
  of that. But there's nothing in this,
• 23:53
  which is sort of like, you know, tying in with my what's going on
• 23:57
  in the trial. You know it is, just nip it out
• 24:00
  for the odd interjection to kind of do a bit of exposition or.
• 24:06
  Don't you love the anecdote told by Eric himself, You know,
• 24:11
  appalled that Bonnie was cast? So he wrote this really
• 24:15
  complicated back and forth scene, you know, where she would
• 24:19
  have to absolutely prove ourselves.
• 24:21
  And she and Bonnie and Colin came in and fucking aced it.
• 24:25
  And he said they were terrific together, like.
• 24:27
  I was really surprised. Because she's good and everyone
• 24:32
  underestimated her and the show doesn't always give her the
• 24:36
  material she she deserves. I are.
• 24:39
  You talking? About now or then so.
• 24:43
  I'm not talking about. I'm not going to get into now,
• 24:45
  but you know, I still get so furious with Andrew Cartmel
• 24:49
  saying, well, she didn't really have much of A character, there
• 24:52
  wasn't much we could do. But then give her one.
• 24:54
  It's not difficult. You're the script editor.
• 24:57
  Give her something to do and she'll do it.
• 24:59
  Big Finish did it within about four scripts.
• 25:02
  They've fully fleshed out her. Character you can see Bonnie
• 25:04
  doing this on screen. I mean, there's there's that bit
• 25:08
  in time of the Barney where she has to should get paralysed by
• 25:12
  the tech wraps tongue, you know, and she goes as stiff as and she
• 25:17
  maintains that absolutely stock stiff.
• 25:21
  Yeah. You know, as she's getting
• 25:23
  picked up and carried around the set like like a bit of
• 25:25
  furniture, She is actually maintaining that.
• 25:28
  That's how professional she is. You know, she goes into Paradise
• 25:31
  Towers and goes for a swim eventually and you know, the
• 25:35
  water is absolutely freezing cool.
• 25:36
  But you don't think that the Bonnie Langford, because she is
• 25:38
  100% selling that as a trouble. So, you know, it's there in
• 25:43
  front of them, you know, give this loss.
• 25:45
  So yeah. Where the last explosion delta
• 25:47
  and abandoned, Yeah. Say her reaction to the bus
• 25:49
  explosion and that seat with Gavrock, Yeah, it's magnificent.
• 25:54
  You know she's. Really capable of doing it.
• 25:57
  If you do that, do this scene Hoppin.
• 25:59
  She would do it Hoppin. I think their default is to go
• 26:02
  back to the theatrical nature e-mail, because then you can hit
• 26:04
  Dragonfly and you know, we can always play a game.
• 26:07
  I suppose I spy or something. And just and JNT wanted a
• 26:11
  screamer because that's what Doctor Who girls do.
• 26:15
  They didn't write a scream, Pip and Jane said.
• 26:17
  They didn't write 1 screen for. Us and they got written in.
• 26:21
  Yeah, because we're in the situation where we haven't got a
• 26:24
  script editor and JNT is the script editor and producer of
• 26:28
  this story. This bit here where they're
• 26:30
  investigating the pulse together, it's like proper
• 26:33
  Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Watson, but he's just said to her,
• 26:35
  there, come on man, you've got a good brain.
• 26:37
  Think it's so different from what is it?
• 26:40
  Small though it is, the human brain is quite effective when
• 26:43
  used properly. That we got in 22.
• 26:46
  It's all Pip and Jane. It is really Pip and Jane.
• 26:48
  They. Love him, don't they?
• 26:50
  They just. Adore him, understand, and
• 26:53
  because they haven't got a script in it and now it's just
• 26:55
  Pip and Jane. They want to show him off as
• 26:58
  well, which I just love. They haven't got anyone sort of
• 27:01
  like sitting there going. Well, no, actually, yeah.
• 27:05
  Across that out, you know, Doctor wouldn't say that.
• 27:07
  And that's too much, Colin. Because we know J&T loves Colin
• 27:14
  as well, and anchor C is potential.
• 27:18
  So yeah. Dave Rennie's favorite lines in
• 27:22
  this episode is where Bruckner goes.
• 27:25
  Don't you realize what's been unleashed?
• 27:31
  But this stuff's all great as well.
• 27:32
  I like the relationships between the scientists here as well, you
• 27:35
  know, and the power balance. Yeah, and they're all looking at
• 27:38
  it from from different perspectives, which is is really
• 27:41
  good. But it's not just like back
• 27:44
  story for them, it feeds into the plot as well.
• 27:47
  Where primary. Committing in the name of
• 27:49
  science will make us infamous. Assuming there's anyone left to
• 27:55
  pass judgement though, sorry. Oh, and there you can miss my
• 27:57
  first What's that? In the grill.
• 27:59
  I don't know, it looks almost vaginal, didn't it?
• 28:03
  Decided to get some rest Mr. Kimber.
• 28:04
  I think I might come and murder you now.
• 28:08
  He reminds me of a sweet old man you know, on the planet of the
• 28:11
  vampires. He does, yes.
• 28:13
  Yeah. Can I get you a warm?
• 28:15
  Can I get you a warm drink of poison?
• 28:19
  Oh I love POV shots. Look at this.
• 28:22
  And when he looks straight at the camera and goes, oh.
• 28:26
  Yeah, he knows how to play this, doesn't he?
• 28:30
  The funniest story about this actor is what Chris Clough says
• 28:33
  about on the commentary, where he's put on the compost heap and
• 28:37
  everyone else gets up afterwards and he's still waiting for
• 28:39
  someone because. He's not the old school go, come
• 28:41
  on, get up. But old man.
• 28:42
  No, he lies there for. Ages.
• 28:44
  He's falling asleep. Say, look, here's Janet with a
• 28:49
  coffee. I'm telling you, it's.
• 28:54
  Oh, it's very funny how the Vervoids know how to use.
• 28:57
  A shower, but they have to have two hands to.
• 29:01
  Do it. No opposable digits.
• 29:05
  Very bad design. It's can't get a.
• 29:08
  Grip Janet's wiggly Awesome. What's the primatologist doing
• 29:15
  in a isolation room where your surgical mask?
• 29:19
  Well, you know, so you've got 2 problems before you get in
• 29:22
  there. What's that?
• 29:24
  Well, getting rid of the guard and you could need a mask.
• 29:28
  You can hardly ask the professor to lend you hers.
• 29:31
  Yeah, forget I'm going to smash this.
• 29:33
  OK, he's so great. Then he just literally makes it
• 29:36
  up. There's people in trouble.
• 29:38
  Go. Oh look, some masks.
• 29:44
  I can't, I cannot express how much I love Colin's doctor.
• 29:48
  Oh, I think we might be in for a cliffhanger here.
• 29:51
  We might be. Now, is it going to be a crushed
• 29:55
  human Colin's face or not? Well, if you listen to the
• 29:59
  episode 1 commentary then you'll know I've.
• 30:02
  Already blocked that. Out and because this I mean, the
• 30:05
  isolation room has been set up, but nothing about Ruth's been
• 30:07
  set up so. That's A and that's a great
• 30:11
  makeup, isn't it? It's really good, isn't?
• 30:13
  It. I've not seen a vein throbbing
• 30:15
  like that since. Well, for us, because sometime.
• 30:18
  Yeah, yeah, wrong face to zoom into and.
• 30:23
  Another great scream from Bonnie.
• 30:26
  Yeah, sometimes you do need a screen, right?
• 30:28
  Like if Peter Howe ain't going to do it, then Bonnie's there.
• 30:33
  So we're 2 for two of Screaming Mill cliffhangers.
• 30:36
  We are. And we are.
• 30:38
  What is that that? Is 882. 8/2 for crash rooms on
• 30:43
  common space. Yep, and we are.
• 30:46
  We're 22 for fucking brilliant cliffhangers for this story.
• 30:50
  Yep and Yep. And I've just reached the end of
• 30:54
  my 4 hour cassette tape and I'm going to have to put in another
• 30:58
  cassette for the for the last 4 episodes of The Trial of a Time
• 31:03
  Lord. And I'm going to record over
• 31:05
  Revelation of the Daleks. I'm going to keep Attack of the
• 31:09
  Cybermen getting rid of Revelation.
• 31:12
  What a choice. What a conundrum.
• 31:15
  Oh, it was easy. I decided.
• 31:16
  I really didn't like Revelation aged 11, but I really loved
• 31:20
  attacking the Cybermen, so I. Couldn't do it now, Could you do
• 31:23
  it now? Like wipe out a story that you
• 31:26
  would never see again and have to choose one to get rid.
• 31:29
  Of I just didn't have another videotape and this story was so
• 31:33
  epic. And then brilliantly, episode
• 31:38
  13, episode 14 was half an hour. So I didn't even get the end of
• 31:41
  the trial either, but we'll come to that later.
• 31:46
  Well, before we out this episode, I would like to say
• 31:48
  that I have been criminally profiling the pair of you whilst
• 31:52
  talking about episodes. Oh yes.
• 31:54
  And I've discreetly been asking questions to reveal your your
• 31:59
  intentions and your whereabouts during the death of David
• 32:03
  Maskell by that wheel of Charlesburg.
• 32:06
  Now it's. Come to light, that evidence has
• 32:10
  emerged. That one of them has got a
• 32:15
  receipt from. Fortnum and Mason.
• 32:18
  'S dairy department. Oh damn it.
• 32:23
  And now I'm going to crash zoom into the.
• 32:26
  Face of the guilty party. I'll cut it there.