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Track cast the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable start Trick podcast. There we are someday.
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Is that skipping for anybody else or is that just me? Yeah? It
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was. It was weird. Okay, it was weird. I didn't see
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it last was the last week or the week before? I think it was
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the week before. I just didn't see it. Yeah, oh yeah,
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that's what you're saying. Yeah, because I've listened to last week's episode this
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morning, like two hours ago. Um, yeah, Bronson starting out hot.
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I saw Barbie yesterday. All right, what was she wearing? Yeah?
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I mean if you Margo Robbie, that would be uh, I'd be
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interested in hearing about that. Yeah. Yeah, now we can hear you,
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Dan. You couldn't hear me before. Well you were. Yeah.
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You know what I think when I start, uh stream yard and I already
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have my my headset plugged in, it doesn't connect and unplug it, unplug
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it and plug it back in. That that happened a while ago, and
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uh so I usually remember to do that, and I did. I did
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I connect the streams. So I hopped in the van and I realized,
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I'm kind of thirsty. I should have brought a drink out. So I
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went looking back in like the snack pack that my wife always has in here,
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and uh I didn't even know they made this anymore. Oh yeah,
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yeah, wow yeah. So uh today's episode a trick Cast is brought to
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you by Sunny D. Very nice. It's pretty good. There we go.
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Now I want to you who I don't know about that? I like
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this? Yeah I know. I just oh man, bring it back all
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the purple I was. I was said to myself, how long until someone
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makes a purple stuff reference empty, say sunny D? So thank you for
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that. Someone who's been through, who's been through an I rs audit.
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Uh yeah, I'd rather see the Barbie movie than another I rs audit.
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I've gone through a few, so no, thank you. The Barbie Movie
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was hilarious. Well so yeah, I thought it was hilarious. Okay,
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no, Scott, those are his wife's sunglasses. Come on, come on,
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they are. I forgot my I forgot mine. So I went through
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the center console and what else have we got? All right? We have
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more snacks? Yeah, my kids love this? Not crazy? Oh yeah,
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oh yeah, we always have pirate booty. Yeah it's gluten free,
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you bet. Yeah, it's luten free. Yeah, it is gluten free.
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Yeah, so we have that. That's a bonus. You know what
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the trick is with those like buff stuff you get them with that chopsticks.
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You don't get it all over your fingers. Yes, yes, I have
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a co worker who eats Cheetos with a fork. Yeah. The yeah.
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Then you can practice all your stuff, right, that's right, practice all
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eating all your chopsticks. But then you don't get the powder all over you.
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It's perfect. Yeah, it's good. That's funny, Chad. How
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is your vacation, Uh, vacation was great. Vacation was great. It
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was nine days out at the beach east side um Santa Rosa area. It's
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about halfway between Deston and uh uh Panama, closer to to Panama Beach really
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in Laguna Beach, which Laguna Beach is gorgeous, by the way, the
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one's ever been in Florida. It's beautiful. You actually get actual blue water
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there, like the Emerald blue water there. So I saw some dolphins off
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the coast a little bit while we were there. Um didn't go out on
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a boat to do the dolphin excursion thing or any of that kind of stuff.
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That's too rich for my blood. But we had a good time.
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We had a good time, so good. So with that, um,
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let's start with the bad news. Yeah, let's start with the bad news.
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So, um, yeah, I cannot. I cannot make stlv H
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now as of Monday of last week. Um, I had to cancel my
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plans. I had to Yeah, so ancel flights the whole nine yards.
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So I can't make it. Work is work is extremely busy right now.
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Work is kind of what's well, work is what's in the way. Yeah.
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I would have had to reschedule some things work wise and or just fly
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out, like midday on a Saturday, just to fly out to somewhere else
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for work midday on a Sunday. That just didn't. I would be absolutely
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no fun because the week before and the week after is going to be extremely
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busy for me. We're talking twelve thirteen hour days and traveling and everything else.
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And I wouldn't be any fun. I would be exhausted. I'd probably
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just sleep in the damn hotel until I got on a plane. So um,
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so I just do that. I couldn't do that, and I couldn't
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thing with work. So I feel like this isn't the first time that I've
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had to cancel stuff on you guys, and I feel awful. Who please
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with you guys. It's it's not just it's it's like, man, yeah,
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it's not it's not just you. I made a baby four years ago
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and we didn't do it. Yeah. Um, but still the pandemic screwed
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us two years, two years in a row. Right, So yeah,
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you you you did screw us two years. But you're tied with the pandemic,
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so it's okay. Yeah, I'm gonna change my name too. As
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bad as the pandemic, as bad as the pandemic, I feel like it's
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not one hundred percent clear for everyone. Uh so, guys, we're not
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going to ask you'll be none of us. Yeah. Yeah, we we
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were gonna, we were gonna. We're gonna get there. We're gonna get
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Yeah. Daniel and I talked about it a little bit and what ultimately stuck
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a fork in it. As I said to Daniel, as a married father
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of two small children, it's yeah, Chad nineteen, that's the As a
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married father with with two children, it's difficult enough for me to justify not
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to my wife, to myself to justify to myself taking a week and going
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to adult Disneyland without the family, because that's what Vegas is, It's adult
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Disneyland. So it's hard enough for me to justify that. It's even harder
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to attempt to justify it two years in a row because we would want to
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do it next year with Chad, with the three of us, because that's
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the goal. The goal is to get the three of us out there.
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So ultimately I kind of stuck a fork in it um and said, you
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know, I don't want to do it. I don't want to do sixty
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six percent of check cast in Las Vegas this this year and zero percent next
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year, so and I can't go unsupervised. So I needed adult Yeah,
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getting ah, that's right. Yeah, oh boy, we are. We
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are super bummed about it. But I think it's the best decision based on
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the oh Scott freaking guy he's messing with. He's totally trolling on I see
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me trolling. They hate even though he just he wants you know what,
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you know what it is he wants He wants your job in the worst way.
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You're slacking. Hey, you're slacking, And he's like, hey,
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I can go Dan, did you get his eyes? He said, yeah,
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I did. It was on the it was you know what it was
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on the nice paper. Yeah. The watermark said if Scott can you can
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oh man, Yeah. Actually the watermark says, if Chad can't, Scott,
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Scott can. Ye exactly. I was just thinking the same exact thing.
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I was like, Wait, I got a last Sunday Um Rambo,
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who comes on? Here's who's my controls us? Sometimes in chat? Who's
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also I do the other podcast with on Sunday nights? Um? Wait,
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you haven't you have another podcast? No? I do. Yeah, I
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know, I know. Thanks for covering from me. Chad says, Scott,
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it's a trick. It's a mutiny, that's right. He couldn't tell
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what was going on. And so for two weeks in a row, I
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really hadn't said too much I'm about about this show. But for two weeks
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in a row there he knew I was gone because because we weren't doing that
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show. I wasn't doing that show either, and uh. He listens to
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the last week's showing. In the first thirty seconds, Dan makes a comment
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about or getting someone getting fired, but there's no mention after that of me,
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and he's like, I guess you got fired And I said, yeah,
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well you don't show up two weeks in a row. They replace you
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on that show. It's brutal. And he goes, all right, so
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I should do the same thing, and I said, riff, that's awesome.
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So oh man, oh well, yeah, since we're talking about s
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TLV, we should get to the news and we'll start. Okay, okay,
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So let's do that, all right. So our first news story is
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just some updates on STLV. It is, yes, still happening, It
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is still going on. We have had some uh new cancelations. The biggest
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one is Jack Quaid will not be there, so Sidler will not be there.
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That's too bad. Yeah. Um. Also, I love to meet
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that guy, honestly. Yeah. I think I've said famously before. I
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don't really care to meet these actors. I'd want to meet the characters they
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play. I have a few exceptions to those rules. He's one of them.
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Yeah, he seems like an interesting guy. He does you know something?
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I love the boys too, So yeah, something from the uh the
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crossover that didn't hit me until later on, was at the end of that
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episode, like Jack Quaite, he plays Ransom. All right, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, Jack Quaite is Boiler who plays Ransom. Oh that's that's
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yeah. Jerry O'Connor okay, yeah, so when Jerry O'Connell sees the poster
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of Una, he comments about how she's the hottest baby in the universe or
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something. Yeah, he's married, he's married to her in real life.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. I didn't catch. I didn't catch the first
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time. Yeah. Also, um, uh, bowing out, we shall
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say is Neelix, Ethan Phillips and Ronald D. Moore. So I have
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a feeling they're all going to be bowed out by the time we get to
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that day. Well that was my suspicion. But there was a smaller convention
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on the East Coast this weekend and a lot of the Star Trek people were
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there. Um, Terry Farrell and Dax was there. M Jeffrey Colmbs was
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there. Okay, those are two people who aren't tied to anything current though,
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No they are, They're still in the in the unions. Well I
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guess that's true because it SAG is just SAG, not just track. Okay.
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Yeah, so yeah, and a few others were still at conventions,
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so as is Zachary Quinto was just announced to be joining STLV this year.
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He had not been previously announced, so he's clearly still in the unions.
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So that's weird. Yeah, he's going to be doing interesting kind of different
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guy. Yeah, he's different. We would have been cool, and I'm
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sorry we missed out on this. They're doing photos with him, Ethan Peck.
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You can get the two spots together. That would have been kind of
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cool. That's weird. Yeah, no, that's cool. Um, but
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yeah, I I honestly, when I think of Spock anymore. Obviously,
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I still think of Leonard Nimoy, but I really think of Ethan Pac more
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than zach Quinto. By far, by far, Ethan Pac is so good
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at it. His creepy ass smile. Uh. In the in the in
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the Crossover episode was in Boiler's reaction. I mean, I was laughing.
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I had I had air pods in while I was watching that episode. Yeah,
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it last night because I finally caught up with the last two, that
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one in the in the in the Cloak one dude, and uh, I
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was laughing so hard and my wife was like, what are you watching?
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I couldn't even hear and she finally comes down to test my shoulders, like,
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what are you watching? She's looking at the screen. She can't tell
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what the hell I'm watching because of the you know, it's crossover. It's
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like, who's that guy? I've never seen him before, and I'm like
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over it's Lower Deck and Strange New Worlds. It's hilarious. I've never heard
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you laugh at Star Trek like this. Yeah, oh, you've never watched
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me watch lower Next, then I mean, what she hasn't because I usually
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watched that in a hotel room or something, right, right, But yeah,
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no, I think people will still be there. There's a handful that
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are bowing out, and there might be still more. But yeah, so
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I have a question about that. This is a so so I'll I was
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finally, I was the audience for this show for the last two two and
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a half weeks, right, yeah, yeah, So, why in the
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hell is Michelle Hurt a big deal in the SAG union because she's the because
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she was elected, Yes, she was elected to a board position, that's
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all. Yeah, the same reason you have. You know, if the
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auto workers, you know, have a union, you know, why is
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the guy who puts the wheels on the president because everyone else voted for him,
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that she must be she must be a hell of a nice lady and
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a hell of a good act actress and we've just never noticed it because I
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can't stand RAFFI. That's yeah. Yeah. In all her interviews she's great,
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seem like a verse, you know, not not to not to uh
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belittle her, but you know, she's a mid level actress. She has
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the time. No, I'm serious, she has Scott's thing oh talking about
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yeah, but she has the time for a position like this. Tom Hankses
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doesn't have the time to be the president of of SAG. I mean,
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I think what wasn't Ronald Reagan SAG president? I think he was a former
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at one president. Yeah, yeah, you know, and Ronald Reagan was
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a you know, he was a mid level actor. He wasn't you know,
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he wasn't actor. What was his best movie Dinner for Bobo or something
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like that. Oh, I don't know if the Champion did a movie with
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the with the Chimp anyway, as before they did see g I jims,
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Yeah this is back in my day. Yeah yeah, but no. Um.
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Also, like Michelle Hurt has been a guest are in a lot of
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shows so she probably knows a lot of people. I just never even heard
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of her before. Until there's a million of those actors you've never heard of
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that have been everywhere. You know, they get they get a salary for
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that too. It's not a volunteer thing. Yeah, you make not the
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richest if you're not the richest actor in Hollywood, but you have the time
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to do it, right, I mean why not? Yeah? Yeah,
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all right makes sense. And our next news story comes to us from Star
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Trek Movie or Trek movie dot com, and a paramount executive vows that this
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will not be the end of Star Trek. Prodigy talks of season two.
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Yeah, I know what it's like. They don't even know what they're talking
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about anymore. No, they have no direction over there. Sixty days ago,
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it was, you know, the home of Star Trek every series,
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every episode. They stopped saying that recently, recently, and then they're like,
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nope, it's it's out. And now nope, this is not the
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end of it. I haven't talk about here. I have a theory to
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that. They Okay, go ahead, I'm saying we could do that.
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I mean, I could tell you why. I'm just trying to be Alex
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Jones over here. We're let's see if my theory lines up with your truth
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the truth, right, yeah, because I only get my news from you,
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so I haven't read anything, right, So that's I'm being serious,
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Like I joke about that, guys, but honestly, I never like,
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I have one podcast I listened to for new stuff and Daniel that's it.
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I'm serious, Carlson and Daniel. Yes, no, no, no,
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it's not Tucker, but but good one. David Zachs. It's the All
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In podcast. They are. I love those guys. They're great anyway.
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So my theory is is that when they started touting that with the everything for
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track, every episode, every movie, whatever, that they started touting that
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before the whole sag thing happened, before all of the strikes stuff happened,
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before the writer stuff got into into an issue, all of that, right,
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is when they were touting that, and as soon as all those things
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started coming into play, that's when they stopped. And I think there's an
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issue there somewhere somehow that keeps them from being able to say that or do
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that, or continue to push everything into one bundle area with that whole,
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with that whole issue. Damn, my computer is gonna die. Probably you're
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gonna I don't know what's going on. It's given me errors anyway, so
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if I go away and come back. That's my theory on that end of
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it, is that somehow those two are tied. It's too coincidental. And
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it also still makes sense regardless of Paramount plus issues, right, and actually
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more so with monetary issues. If there's something tied in copyright legally's whatever with
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either the SAG union right or strike the wholeline yards that, then that then
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somehow gets all of that other stuff involved. That even just makes more sense.
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Why they put a pause on it for now. So they have pulled
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it completely from their streaming service. Right, you cannot see Prodigy anymore.
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It's not on Paramount. I don't. I don't mean just Prodigy, I
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mean the whole thing. Oh okay, yes, yes, Prodigy included,
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but I mean, like the whole thing. I don't think Prodigy was popular.
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That's why they got rid of it. Yeah, clearly, I mean
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that's had had to be what it is. But um, what the executive
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was talking about is and they've said this like a month ago when they first
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pulled it is that they're trying to find a new home for it. The
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season two is pretty much done, like they're they're just wrapping up the last
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ends. It's been not shot. It's a cartoon, but you know,
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produced the voice, all the voice work is done, it's edited. Basically,
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it's pretty much done. So, I mean, they could throw it
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up on Paramount Plus by the fall and be fine, but they're they're not
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going to do that. They're going to take the tax break and remove it.
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What they're hoping to do is sell it to another streamer and make money
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off of it. They wasn't wanting to just pick it up and pay for
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it. Apparently not. So it wasn't popular enough for Nickelodeon UM, which
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means, guys, guess what you should freaking walk away from it? Like
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stop? Yeah, well, animation takes so long to produce. They do
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it pretty far in advance, so it's typical most cartoons get two seasons because
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they're banking on it being a success. So it wasn't. So now they're
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looking for a new home. My thought is this, when they first started
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Discovery and Piccard, they were making good money internationally selling it to parent our
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Prime and Netflix, and they did make a lot of money doing that.
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Then they roped everything together into Paramount. Plus they're losing money hand over fists,
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just like every other streamer, and so now they're panicking, just like
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every other streamer, and so they're gonna try to go back and sell it
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to make money. That seems to make sense for what they've done. You
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also have to remember they're losing Discovery soon, they've lost Picard. It's lower
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Decks and Strange New Worlds is all that's left. So that's kind of where
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we're at with things. But yeah, the the executive basically just says,
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guys, it's a great show, we love it, and we're going to
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try to find a new home for it. That's why he's saying. People
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have not seen the end of it. So all right, And then our
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last news story comes to us from Giant freaking robot dot com. Normally I
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would avoid these or just tell you it's a rumor, but this is kind
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of funny because they're taking a oh I guess now. An ex post,
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not a tweetum from writer Michael jan Freeman, who wrote a lot of novels.
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Back during Star Trek, the motion picture that kind of time frame.
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He was given a bunch of He says, back then, he was given
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a bunch of Gene Roddenberry's kind of unfinished works and told to make something out
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of it, to make a novel. And so he said, basically like
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he was excited because he you know, he loved Jean Roddenberry, but this
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material he was given was just really, really bad, and and they wanted
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to make a novel called The God Thing, And basically what it was is
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some sort of using God versus the Enterprise, and the climax would have been
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Kirk has a fist fight with an alien who has taken the image of Jesus.
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So Kirk, oh my god, yeah, nice, Yeah, So
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I thought that was just goofy and weird, and it's real. It's from
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Gene Roddenberry's unused writings, so well as what's his name from the documentary.
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He said, sometimes Jean's ideas were whackadoodle yep, and there you go.
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Yeah that. Friedman also went on to say, He's like, you know,
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I love Roddenberry, but this stuff was just so bad. Well,
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I mean, so the question the question is, though, why does Jesus
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need a starship? I mean, what kind of fighting style does Jesus use
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uti No, he uses the Vulcan neck pinch. That's all he needs to
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do is touch you. And um, well, I mean his father was
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a Jewish carpenter, so I would say you do there. Yeah. Yeah,
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he's slow. He's slow in the typing. He was typing and you
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said it, and then he's like, screw it, I'm gonna hit in
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or anyway, I'm gonna do it anyway. Well, there's a slight delay
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between us and what the chat sees like thirty seconds it is. Yeah,
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all right, that's all the news stories. Okay, excellent, okay.
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Oh, by the way, everybody, you're listening to Trick Cast, the
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Galaxy's Most Unpredictable start right podcast. I'm back. It's Chad and of course
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Daniel and Dan, so right, twenty five minutes in and we're doing the
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intro. Good job all right now? Oh boy, it reminds me of
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our first couple of episodes, which I now want to go back and listen
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to. I mean, not why I did that. Recently. I went
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back in this and listened uh like the first or second episode, and um,
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yeah, yeah it was we're having fun yeah, it was very good.
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So we just had season two, episode eight, under the Cloak of
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War. Um Man, this was a heavy episode. It was it was
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heavy. It was heavy. Um just what you want right before the musical?
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Yeah right, yeah, you know what would have been amazing this if
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this was the musical. Imagine this story but they're singing it, just singing
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about war crimes. Yep, come on, take some risks, Paramount.
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There we go. Yeah, John has nightmares. Yeah exactly. Um,
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I thought it was a all of this stuff. Let's so let's just talk
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about him Banga for a minute, right. He is such a fascinating character.
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He is not like any other character. I don't think he's like any
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other character we've seen on Trek. I know, his voice is hard.
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Sometimes it's difficult to hear. It's such a unique, deep, gravely kind
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of soft but hard voice. It's fantastic. I could listen to him read
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a children's book and put me to sleep. But he's also a scary dude,
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like he is a He's a very different um character of any Trek character
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we've really ever had in terms of the way they're putting in the depth and
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the backstory and what he's done. Now I want to question one part of
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that though, as far as him being the ghost of Bengal, we have
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the lines. Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah. So the log line
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is Captain Pike and his crew welcome a clingon defector on board the USS Enterprise,
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but his presence triggers the revelation of some shocking secrets. Yeah, so
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that's it. It's a great episode, don't get me wrong, But I'm
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gonna pick a few things apart that I have an issue with. I like
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him Benga, I like his backstory. I like who he is and what
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he's done. I think it's all. It's all a really fantastic arc for
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a doctor. Right. However, they keep building up how traumatic this war
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was and how traumatized people are. It's a two weak freaking war or something
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like. They didn't didn't last that damn long. From what we got of
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it in Discovery, it was it didn't last very long. I know,
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man, that first season Discovery seems to last forever. That's true, but
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I mean like, it was short. It was a short war. It
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was not a long war. And every time they talk about it in Strange
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New Worlds, they make it sound like it was this hell nightmare, and
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I'm sure it was even if it was for you know, the one day
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that they had hell right, But I mean, there's a weird position there.
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But it was very war. It was a war with Klingons, who
28:03
do not fight wars the way that others fight wars, okay, And they
28:08
made mention of it in this episode where the guy was saying, they just
28:11
wouldn't let me die. They just wouldn't let me die. They maimed him
28:17
and kept him alive, made sure that he felt pain. And they've even
28:21
discussed this in past series when they were preparing for the Klingons to invade Deep
28:26
Space nine, they were briefing the star fleet officers and telling them Klingons prefer
28:32
to use edged weapons, which means they enjoy what they're doing. They enjoy
28:38
inflicting pain and damage upon the enemy. So even if you had star Fleet
28:45
officers there who had been in other wars, I think the point was this
28:51
is not a war like any other war they fought because it's Klingons. Sure,
28:56
And I would say, Chad, the length of something doesn't equate to
29:02
the amount of trauma that yes is done. Like people can lose somebody close
29:07
to them, right, that death is a quick thing, but that trauma
29:11
can last for a long time. Yes, right, so that that doesn't
29:15
make a difference. I suppose I suppose so. Um, But yeah,
29:22
it was a brutal war. They all had a hard time with it.
29:26
Um. I watched the Will Wheaton show, of course. Uh. They
29:29
interviewed in Benga and or Tegas. Both really great interviews. Typically I tell
29:34
you guys to avoid that show, but both those interviews are really great.
29:38
Um. What we learned was in real life, Babs the actor who plays
29:42
in Benga, knows Brazilian jiu jitsu and is is pretty good at it,
29:48
So that's cool. And then um Erica who or or take Us, the
29:53
actress who plays take Us. Um. What was interesting that you talked to
30:00
man that that interview was really sad. She lost her partner in between seasons.
30:07
So season one her partner was there with her, Um Brian, and
30:11
then season two he was gone, and so talked a lot about how,
30:17
especially in this episode, there were a lot of times like she was just
30:22
a wreck and then had to pull herself together to shoot a scene and then
30:26
went right back to being a wreck because everything was still fresh for her.
30:32
Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. So so I have some questions
30:41
story wise, things that um, I'm not sure quite makes sense to me.
30:49
And maybe i'm and maybe I'm just not processing it right. But uh
30:53
and Banga is a doctor, huh right, But they lead us to believe
31:00
he has this past where he is this special forces assassin badass, and I
31:12
can't make those two things merge in my head. How is how is he
31:19
a doctor and an assassin? I don't I don't understand. And if so,
31:25
how long ago? They make it sound like, well that's what I
31:26
used to do, but now I'm a doctor. Okay? So how much
31:30
time passed between your assassin days and you're in the beginning of your doctoring days?
31:36
And what war was that? Was that a different war? Was it
31:42
the same war? Has it been going on longer than than? Then?
31:47
We think? What's what's the make it? Make it makes sense for me?
31:51
Please? So there's two ways you can look at it, right,
31:53
Okay. So there's there's the way I look at it, which I think
31:56
is probably the right way. Then there's the way to look at it,
31:59
where I think is what paramount or whatever executives will wind up doing which is
32:02
which is okay, but it's the wrong way. So the right way is
32:07
is he was part of a special Forces unit and he was a medic or
32:10
he was a trained medic of some kind, was very very good at it
32:14
and was able to do that whatever he was doing on the special Forces side
32:17
while he was becoming a doctor at the same time, because he's clearly extremely
32:22
smart, right, So I think it's more of a he was the guy
32:27
who would patch you up in the field kind of thing, not just a
32:29
straight assassin all solo kind of stuff. But he was also very good at
32:32
it while doing the dual track of winding up being a doctor. And you
32:37
know, you learn a lot when you're in the field and you're just trying
32:39
to save someone's freaking life, right, So I think those things can both
32:44
be true. And he is an older guy in the show, or plays
32:46
a little bit of older character in the show, So I think there's plenty
32:49
of time in the past to have had those parallel tracks. Yeah, in
32:52
early twenties he was old, Yeah, exactly so, and for it to
32:57
shift completely because he didn't because of everything that he says, right, So
33:00
it could have been a very short amount of time, as we just said
33:02
a minute ago. Short time, but very traumatic. Um it also where
33:06
he's very good at it and then decided he just couldn't do that anymore and
33:08
then moved he maybe yeah, it could have been twenty years in the past.
33:14
Who knows. Um he also developed that serrium. We come to find
33:17
out that he's the one who developed that, right, And so this goes
33:20
back to my thought process of these dual tracks. And he's very smart and
33:24
he's doing all these things. Yeah, a military doctor mash kind of thing.
33:28
Sure, Darryl, Yeah, no, I get that. But you
33:30
know Clinger wasn't running out there and and mowing down enemy troops. Yeah no,
33:37
no, you're you're in the military, but you are a doctor.
33:39
The other the other. So that's the way I think it probably should be
33:44
written, and just think of it that way. But I think with the
33:46
paramount people exect people, whatever will wind up doing is somehow put it in
33:52
there that he's the reason. All that's true is because he was a part
33:55
of Section thirty one. That's what I was going to say, that's what
33:59
they're gonna do, which I don't want to hear him do every season.
34:01
Now he has to have an episode where he is suffering horribly, right,
34:06
because last year he's the miles of Brian. Yeah, well they all are.
34:10
Yeah, um, because last season was a daughter, this season is
34:15
this. So next season it'll be his section thirty one recruiter shows up and
34:20
test him in some way. Yeah. So they kind of cheapened a later
34:24
episode with with what they did here. So it's the twenty fourth century where
34:32
we find out that in the twenty third century, Scottie locked himself in the
34:38
transporter for eighty years and was able to survive. And it was just amazing.
34:44
It was this amazing thing that no one had ever thought of. But
34:46
because Scotti is so amazing, he you know, he criss crossed these two
34:51
wires and figured out how to do it. Then we come to find out
34:53
that Embanga was doing it, you know, a few years earlier, decades
35:00
earlier, um, and you know, okay, he kept it a secret
35:04
because he developed it to save his daughter and it was a secret that she
35:07
was stuck in the transporter anyway. And then this this episode, which is
35:13
a few years earlier than that, you find out that, yeah, I
35:16
do this all the time. Everybody knows how to do this. Just load
35:20
him into the buffer and then delete the transport and he'll just sit there with
35:23
the hourglass spinning until we call him back out right, So the kind of
35:30
cheapen the later things by doing I mean, I agree with that, But
35:36
when I how you break that down, I do agree with you. Dan.
35:38
However, when I was watching the episode, I didn't get that as
35:43
a takeaway with how he worded it to Chapel, I gave I took that
35:46
away as he wasn't saying that he tells everybody that, And I don't think
35:51
he ever says that everybody knows how to do that. I think, but
35:54
he didn't. He didn't hide it from her. No, he didn't hide
35:58
it from her because they had a close relation. Chip that's they knew each
36:02
other a day and a half. Well, we don't know how much time
36:06
it progressed there on that on that planet, with all those little cut scenes
36:08
back and forth when they're there. I think they were establishing that over time
36:13
that he'd be I mean, these two have a deep relationship now in the
36:16
current time of the show, Okay, so I think they were. It
36:21
could have been a few weeks but again, as Dan said before, time
36:23
doesn't really matter. It's the trauma instant, right. They probably became very
36:28
close allies in that camp pretty quickly, and he's trusting her to do something,
36:32
but he's also later on showing her that we're doing it to save lives
36:37
until we can't do it to save lives, and he hits the button and
36:42
kills that guy. If this is a technique that is known to medical professionals,
36:47
this is this is a potentially life saving technique that we can do.
36:52
If you can't treat them now, you lock them in the pattern buffer until
36:55
you can. The idea that they would then keep that to them selves for
37:00
decades, yeah, it's unrealistic. Point one of them would immediately write a
37:06
paper on it and submit it for publication. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's
37:13
like some sort of medical Yeah, don't treat your patients, just put them
37:16
in the transporter buffer until here comes out. Well, now, if they
37:21
come in on Saturday, you put them in the buffer, you treat them
37:23
on Monday. Yeah. Well, and honestly, great way to get out
37:27
of your first the weekend. You know, Dan, Honestly, I don't
37:30
think it cheapens it because he did that to his daughter as well. He
37:34
kept her in the buffer. I think it cheapens the episode of TNG episode
37:40
Relics, where where a hundred and something years later Jordy who knows everything about
37:50
transporters, It's like you did what? Yeah, yeah, well it's a
37:53
rewrite of history for sure. They've given themselves that out now that yeah,
38:00
can change everything and anything, and that's true. Yeah, that's true.
38:04
That's true, Pavel, doctor Freeze did that for his wife. What about
38:07
Cryo? That's true. He was just jilling diamonds and giving his wife alive.
38:14
That Yeah, that's what it is. Happy Hour starts in twenty but
38:17
this procedure takes an hour into the buffer. You go, picture Darth Vader
38:29
on Best Spin where you just put him in. Yeah, it'd be like
38:37
what was that movie with Arnold Schwartz and Running Man right where it's a competition
38:39
now for who who dies and all that. This could be like the thing
38:43
like a dystopian future where the doctors have a big spinning wheel. I don't
38:45
know, do we treat him or do we put him in the buffer or
38:50
find out tonight? So this kling On guy. Yeah, it was a
38:59
little tough to find that. That's the other thing. I you know,
39:05
when you have to concentrate to understand the story, it kind of annoys me
39:10
a little bit. So he was, he was the general, and the
39:15
way, the way history recorded it, he killed his own men. Correct
39:20
because for what? For what purpose? Because they failed and could not keep
39:24
that area in Starfleet one. Okay, So because they failed, he killed
39:30
them, and that's what history recorded. But what really happened is and Benga
39:35
killed all his men while he ran away, correct, yes, okay,
39:39
And the shame he felt for retreating caused him to change his life and try
39:47
to become a vessel of peace. And I'm making a cringing face yea for
39:54
those watching the audio listening to the audio, that just that that doesn't makes
40:00
sense. No, My my takeaway from it was, yes, he was
40:05
running away because he was going to get killed by Membanka, but he got
40:12
caught and they lost. So and because he he got caught by the Federation,
40:20
because because because Starfleet won that battle, won, that won that moon
40:23
planet. Whatever the hell they're on yea, whatever they did, they say
40:25
that he was caught. I didn't. Yeah, yeah, they said he
40:29
was certainly caught. Yeah, oh yeah. At one point in the show
40:31
they do say that he was caught, so that I watched it twice and
40:37
I missed that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard that he was caught.
40:40
My thought is that he was running from the truth and if he had
40:45
stayed with the Klingons, they would have done some sort of investigation to figure
40:49
out why he killed those people or whatever, and the truth would have come
40:52
out, and that shame would have killed him, right literally, they would
40:58
have killed him for cowardice, because that's the Klingons do. So by being
41:01
a diplomat and searching for peace, he could at least keep his life and
41:07
be you know what the Clingons would call a coward. But he's a trader
41:10
at that point. He's a trader to to the Klingons, so he is,
41:15
but he's also alive and renowned and catered to and seen and seen as
41:22
a butcher by his own people, and right, I just don't see.
41:29
It doesn't make sense for me why the Federation would make this person an ambassador
41:38
to speak on their behalf, just does. It just doesn't make sense because
41:44
he's reformed and they want to show that the Klingons can actually work with one.
41:49
You know that that's their whole the Future Wars. That's which is why
41:55
it's which it doesn't. I know, I don't buy it either, and
41:59
neither do the characters on the show like Mambanga and Chapel and Ortegas. They
42:04
don't buy it either, right, and they're correct because he's a fraud,
42:08
right, this is correct. Imagine Okay, just I'm gonna put it in
42:15
perspective. Okay, even though he's dead, imagine, imagine he was still
42:19
alive. Osama bid Lan says he's sorry. M and the United States makes
42:28
him an ambassador to Saudi Arabia. M hm. Does that make one iota
42:38
of sense anywhere in your head? No, it doesn't. And I'm not
42:44
saying that. The writing, Okay, it was. It was good,
42:47
and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, the storyline, we can agree on
42:52
that. Yeah, the storyline reason wasn't great. But where they took it
42:57
from there I really liked. I like that twist that it was a mega
43:00
that who was actually the butcher. I thought that was great and really well
43:04
handled, because up until that point of the episode, I was like,
43:06
yeah, this is fine, but I wasn't loving it. But as soon
43:08
as they did that turn, I thought it was great. It's one of
43:14
those things where they made this decision to make him, uh the Federation ambassador
43:20
to Chronos, and the story falls apart whereaf instead he was the Klingon ambassador
43:28
to Earth and they were escorting him to a state dinner on Vulcan or whatever.
43:36
That totally makes sense. M. The idea that they they, you
43:40
know, make him working for the Federation, that's just where it falls apart
43:44
from me. M. You gotta put up what Pobble said. I didn't
43:49
real I was. It's true. It's true, though, No, not
43:53
really, it's true. It's true if you know that if it whatever the
44:00
in and whatever, dude, the lab was making that kind of stuff.
44:04
Yeah, that's a funny state. It's just a funny statement. This is
44:07
why we blast oh for crying out loud for making a joke. That's a
44:15
lot of them anyways. Uh So the episode, Yeah, I liked it
44:23
a lot, man, I did. I enjoyed it. Oh, I
44:28
enjoyed it too. I enjoyed it too, Don't get me wrong. There
44:30
were just some some there were some writing hiccups that seemed like we're easy fixes.
44:38
Yeah, yeah, I think so, I think so um and and
44:43
I and I gotta, I gotta you know how much I loved the episode
44:46
palmon Light and I gotta, I got a palmon Light vibe. Yeah,
44:52
when in Benga, it was like he you know, he started it.
44:58
Yeah, but I'm glad he's dad. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure,
45:01
Yeah, for sure. And I enjoy you know, I like when
45:07
they put I like when they put our characters in interesting situations. Okay,
45:15
and Benga and Pike have known each other for a long time, so much
45:21
so that they call each other by the first name, their first names.
45:25
They talk about how much time they've they've spent together. And Pike is the
45:32
captain and the ship. He is one thousand percent in charge. But at
45:37
the same time, you weren't there, man, Yeah, you weren't there.
45:42
Yeah, So don't talk to me about certain things or tell me how
45:46
I should feel about certain things. You're the captain of the ship, but
45:50
you weren't there. Yeah, because the Enterprise and Pike and the entire crew
45:52
were totally am I a right for the entire war. So we're niceless and
46:00
I and I and I like seeing the juxtaposition of not only the captain of
46:06
the ship, the highest guy on the ship wasn't there, But O'Hora wasn't
46:12
there either, And you can see her enthusiasm in having this cling on general
46:21
slash diplomat on the ship. She's genuinely excited about it. And I'm benga
46:27
Ortega Chapel there. You know, they want no part of it. Well,
46:32
what I liked too, is they they you know, the episode basically
46:36
said that both point of views were completely valid, Like, yeah, he
46:39
did horrible things and shouldn't you know, shouldn't be trusted to be in the
46:44
position that he's in. But at the same time, people should get a
46:46
chance to you know, get a second chance. So it's kind of hard.
46:52
You didn't see that, Dan, Oh No, no, I saw
46:54
that. I'm saying I don't. I was making a face for those listening.
46:58
Um, I saw that. I understand the reference. I don't necessarily
47:01
agree with it. Not everybody deserves a second chance. I think that's what
47:07
the episode. I agree. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what the
47:09
episode was saying. Is like, what remind me of this episode Most Toys
47:16
Data definitely tried to shoot the guy from Most Time. Yeah, oh,
47:20
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he's a you know, he's
47:22
a machine. And he made a calculation and he said, there's no way
47:25
I'm getting out of this. It's no way I'm getting out of this unless
47:29
I kill this guy. And yeah, he's gonna he's gonna continue to do
47:31
bad things. So my one bad thing is going to prevent an infinite number
47:36
of other bad things. So I'm gonna shoot that guy, right right,
47:43
All right, um, well, next week we have the musical episode,
47:47
and then we have one more after that, right right, and that's it.
47:52
Yeah, and then Lower Deck starts up in September. Yeah, September
47:58
seventh. I saw that. Yeah, so chat, I know you're very
48:00
excited for the musical episode. Not at all. Uh yeah, I've got
48:10
some feedback on it, so I don't yeah excited about it either. Yeah,
48:17
let's get into feedback. Hey, hey, hey, uh so I
48:30
did put on a um a poll on the Instagram account and all the social
48:35
media's overall, it's funny. The the the actual comments is far and away.
48:42
I'm not excited about this thing at all. Oh but but when I
48:45
did a poll in the stories far and away, it's I can't wait for
48:49
this thing. So I thought that was interesting. Um, but yeah,
48:58
I'm not a musical guy, so I'm not Yeah, I don't know.
49:05
It depends on how they work it into the story, how they justify it.
49:09
Yeah, in the story. I will say this if you if you
49:15
were to tell me, hey, there's gonna be a Star Trek episode about
49:19
baseball, right, I'd be like, man, that's so dumb. Why
49:22
would there be so excited? Right? But not MESI right, but that's
49:29
one of my favorite episodes, right, funny, So so like I want
49:35
to stay optimistic that, you know, maybe I'll be surprised. I also
49:38
think it had we gone down to LV, every one of those songs would
49:42
be screaming down all the corridors. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
49:49
So I do like your guys a suggestion though, where if it if it's
49:52
music from all genres, right, like we should see a Pike rap and
49:55
we should see uh I want spake Western spok. Yeah yeah, yeah,
50:02
actually it should be hipster spok. If anything, you should be doing a
50:06
hipster song. But but uh you should sing push but Massbox twenty there you
50:13
go, yeah, yeah, some Bush there you go. So we've got
50:19
people waiting to talk, but I think you've got a voicemail shod I got
50:22
multiple um snap stuff, but it's from weeks and weeks. We're gonna play
50:29
the latest. Okay, let's do the latest. Here we go. Who's
50:36
it from? Uh? How I trick fans? It's ten, I see,
50:42
And just wanted to give my pennies worth about this week's episode in Strange
50:46
New World Under the Cloak of War, episode eight. I've really enjoyed this.
50:53
I really like this. This. I think it's what we've been waiting
50:59
for in season to personally, I think the exception of last week's episode,
51:02
the Crossover one, which was a bit of fun, it's been a poor
51:07
season, but this, to me was how I like Star Trek problem made
51:13
you think, you know in fact, so much so that I didn't really
51:16
have many criticisms about it. I'm sure they're there, but when you're enjoying
51:23
something, you don't notice these things. When you're when you don't enjoy something
51:29
and you're finding it boring, you're looking for all the shit that's in these
51:32
episodes. But I really enjoyed this one. Just I just wanted to make
51:37
a couple of quick observations that I wrote down. I still think the script
51:43
didn't need a bit of work sometimes with the big thing that popped out was
51:47
there was a Linry says he gave orders to kill on site after they've been
51:54
tortured, Which doesn't make sense. When you kill some one on the site,
52:00
you kill him as soon as you see them. You don't talk to
52:01
them first and then kill them on site. That's not how it works.
52:07
And yes, meat for the grinder. I noticed that a lot of these
52:14
the guy who went back out to the war, they were dressed in red,
52:17
and you just knew that wasn't going to end up well. This armor
52:21
that they wear in the war is it was red, and you just knew
52:22
it wasn't going to end up well, didn't you. Um. I love
52:28
him, Benger. He's turning into one of my favorite characters. I just
52:30
love the way he talks. I love I just like his presence. Um.
52:38
I think he's a great character. And eventually he's going to have to
52:42
go, isn't he. So he'll be he'll be missed. And the only
52:45
other thing because I was watching was Chapple is hot. I mean she is
52:51
proper hot. I drink her bath water. But that's this is what I
52:57
mean. You see, I wasn't I couldn't criticize criticized because I was enjoying
53:00
it so much. So the odd little point for here and there? So
53:06
can we have more of this cerebral trek please? Really enjoyed it, really
53:09
enjoyed last week's episode. Next week's episode, I'm not sure. I mean,
53:14
I like musicals, but I don't know how it's gonna work with Star
53:16
Trek. If they make it like Doctor Horrible's sing along blog from all those
53:22
years ago, it'll probably be pretty good, but it's gonna be pretty cringe.
53:28
And I just know that everybody on Twitter is gonna be the best episode
53:32
ever. Want to read it Twitter? Yeah, I loved you all.
53:40
Take care of many thanks, don't be bye right, there's gonna be a
53:46
whole section of people on Twitter who are just gonna be praising this thing.
53:50
Oh for sure, it's the best thing since you know Rovie Wade was put
53:54
into place, you know, I mean, yeah, I know he said
54:02
I said it for Daniel. So you know what I would like to see,
54:07
You know what I would like to see at some point, um,
54:10
you know I love every time Clinton Howard. Yeah, I would love to
54:15
see him play someone who's just not a weirdo. I would love just a
54:22
normal guy. Yeah, I want to see him play Admiral Howard or something,
54:29
and he's just an admiral. He's just a regular guy and he pops
54:31
up on the screen. He gives you some orders, and he talks like
54:34
a regular person, and and that's it. I feel like every time you
54:37
see him he's some you know, wacky weirdo. That's just the way he
54:46
is is. Maybe it's like Chriscifer Walking, Like you can try to make
54:52
him act, but he's just gonna be Christifer Walking. That's true. He
54:55
talks the way he talks. That's right, pretty good, right. See.
55:01
The next episode is for all the theater kids. It is probably Yeah,
55:08
but uh, do you got any more voice? Hiales or I think
55:13
I do. I'm not really sure what this is, so I'm gonna play
55:15
it and then maybe pause it really quick. If it's a bad Yeah,
55:17
if it's like a telemarketer someone asked me for money, I don't know.
55:22
Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, I'll Due to the Screen Actors Guild strike,
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two episodes five, Charad old a pac Led review Box Mom has big boom.
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Thank you for listening to a pac Led review. They're not wrong,
56:01
but there you go. Oh my lord, there you go. Okay,
56:07
those are the two I had. Those are the two I had. Yeah,
56:10
I mean I can go back for an older one from Timmy, but
56:13
maybe we should like post that as a separate like special gem on. Yeah,
56:17
sure, all right, Well let's bring in Chaz Biz he's been waiting,
56:21
and then we'll bring in strong Beard after there. Man, it's all
56:24
like darkness, like you're I don't turn the lights on. Oh that's okay.
56:30
So first question for you, Chatz is a lawyers listener to the show?
56:32
Now that I'm here today and Scott is not over the last two weeks,
56:36
am I driving you away? No? You're not driving me away.
56:39
I'm not running away. I'm not canceling my subscription or I'm gonna burn my
56:49
hat. Now it's like Chad is always wrong. I kind of Hey,
56:59
it's been so long I had to live in momnic anyway, how's it going
57:01
chess. It's going great. How are you guys? Good? Good?
57:06
I know you guys. So nobody's going to Vegas this year? Right?
57:09
No? No, okay? Teams strong yet and it's Scott. Yeah,
57:20
are you gonna go to Vegas? No? Well, a family coming in.
57:23
I wanted to go, but we have family. But now now I'm
57:28
kind of glad I'm not going. So yeah, but next year I really
57:31
want to be there. That's the plan. That's next year. I want
57:36
to see that big sphere in Vegas to check that thing out. Yeah.
57:40
Yeah. My my buddy who lives there, was saying that, like to
57:45
drive to it, like it's bumper to bumper traffic and it's really not worth
57:49
it because it's so big. You can see it from further away. Yeah,
57:52
and got to be distracting as all. Yeah, you know, yeah,
57:57
where exactly is it? Like, I don't know it off the strip.
58:01
It's on the strip somewhere, right, I don't know where. Ye
58:06
always take the back roads and you'll you'll see it as the planes landing.
58:12
Yeah. Like there's a parking garage that's like right across the street from it,
58:17
just about and if you go to the top level you can see it
58:20
just fine, and you get a better view because like you know, you're
58:23
down a street level looking up at it, like sit in the front row
58:27
of the movie theater, whereas you know, up in the parking Roger,
58:30
you get a good view. Yeah, I'm ready to check that thing out.
58:35
The only thing is I hate the Star Trek conventions in August in Las
58:39
Vegas and it's what one hundred fifteen one hundred twenty degrees there, Yeah,
58:45
and that's that's in the shade and that's it. But if you've been out
58:51
there, you know how hot it is. It's like somebody pissed in the
58:57
pool and you're just everybody in the total the total shitty thing is is I'm
59:01
actually going to wind up being in Vegas probably in late September, first week
59:07
of October for work. Oh why can't these things line up? It's ridiculous
59:12
because if you go that time and it's actually even I have an airline credit
59:19
now, so maybe i'll join you there. I've got an airline credit too.
59:23
Yeah, has to be used by May, because that's what I used
59:28
by April. Yeah, Well, does it mean you have to be booked
59:30
by then or just actually use no I have to use it by then.
59:34
So if if guys, if there's another, if there's another convention somewhere else
59:43
before then that you guys are interested in, let me know. Because New
59:47
York, like two years ago we went to. Yeah, I'm not flying
59:51
in New York though, I know I'm gonna fly from Ally to New York
59:57
City. That's right. Play, the plane's gonna go up, still level
1:00:00
out for a second, and then it's gonna land. Yep. Yeah,
1:00:06
But like Chicago, if if something else like that comes up, like like
1:00:10
two years ago, you know, I'd be down for Grand Rapid. Oh,
1:00:17
his team, Team Scott gonna be there, Team Scott. I think
1:00:22
the guys after you. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be terrible if we ran
1:00:31
out of time and couldn't get him on. Yeah, j we gotta go.
1:00:42
Dan. I got a question for you, Dan, Are you gonna
1:00:46
get a burgundy gee like in Bega? Mm hmm. I didn't think I
1:00:54
was. I was looking at him and I'm like, he looks sharp,
1:00:59
Yeah, he looks short. And then I'm thinking, you know, I'm
1:01:02
looking at the burgundy outfit, and I'm thinking, I'm pretty sure Riker wears
1:01:07
that at night. When you know, a lady's coming over, like he
1:01:09
answers the door in that except it's not tied in the front. You can
1:01:14
see his his chest hair all the way down. I was thinking something else
1:01:16
wasn't tied up fronts, Well, have a burgundy no warf for the white.
1:01:27
It's a white type uniform which which funny, which looks like a karate
1:01:31
uniform with no belt. So when I looked at myself at the first at
1:01:36
the first class I went to when I looked at myself in the mirror with
1:01:38
no belt, my mind immediately went to, uh, you know, hey,
1:01:44
I look like warf, which is kind of kind of cool to think.
1:01:51
Um, here, I'll show it to you guys. He did.
1:01:54
It's white, but it has a burgundy stripe on it, Okay, so
1:02:00
you can kind of see it right there. M Is that because he was
1:02:04
the teacher. Maybe maybe because I can remember I can remember the others.
1:02:10
What about that where rikers were the ultimate combat Yeah, where they were in
1:02:16
the weird helmet. So I can't wait for Dana white amboo whatever it was
1:02:24
or whatever some made up words. And I think the war they should have
1:02:32
had the battle armor like the security officers did, like on the older series
1:02:37
and the movies, the awful like leather football helmets. Just make a play
1:02:46
on that, like just how awful it look. I just love how much
1:02:52
they're backing away from all the ships having a million drones. Oh yes,
1:02:54
yea, And okay. Another thing is if you put people in the pattern
1:03:00
buffers, right, like if they're blah blah, why don't they put the
1:03:04
prisoners in there and they want to scape the ship every time the hold a
1:03:09
prisoner because it's a secret yet secret. Here's the problem with the whole pattern
1:03:19
buffer thing. Okay, would you start going down that rabbit hole? Chaz,
1:03:22
I can just said, why wouldn't you just have them in a thumb
1:03:25
drive in your pocket? Yeah ye something? Yeah, literally carrying around?
1:03:31
Why would you? Why would you physic Yeah, why would you physically store
1:03:38
anything anywhere? If you could put it in the pattern buffer? Would you
1:03:42
get that through? Problem to lay exactly? You go down this entire rabbit
1:03:47
holes like we're going on a vacation. Everybody, I got the USB,
1:03:50
everybody get on the buffer, all your stuff. We're gonna put you all
1:03:52
in here, and then I'm gonna take the shuttlecraft all the way there.
1:03:55
And then we'll write I'll be back and you don't have to feed them or
1:03:59
anything. They're just it's like, yeah, man, we could we could
1:04:03
email ourselves to Vegas. That would be awesome. And it doesn't it doesn't
1:04:10
matter if you have to work Monday morning. Damn, I accidentally throw a
1:04:13
dump. Thumb drives all the time. Yeah exactly, Yeah, where's cousin
1:04:17
Timmy? Oh yeah, what happened to your wife? I washed my pants,
1:04:25
I left the thumb drive in the pocket. Yeah corrupt, she got
1:04:29
corrupted in the dryer. Ooh, you know it's even better. You know
1:04:32
what's even better? This is this? Only I would think of this.
1:04:35
Okay, every morning you put your wife into the pattern buffer and take her
1:04:41
back out with just a copy of her without her knowing it. And if
1:04:44
you screw up that day, you just get the old one. Mm hmmm,
1:04:49
So you just have a happy wife. Man, you restore your wife
1:04:55
to previous version. Yeah, yeah, you will never get old. So
1:05:04
that too, you're just never getting old. I wonder what I wonder what
1:05:13
Scott thinks about all this? Too bad we're at this time. Let's yeah,
1:05:17
I would have loved to get his perspective. It would be so interesting,
1:05:23
it would be great. Yeah, maybe maybe next week this Protocol twelve
1:05:30
or whatever it is. Yeah, sorry, yeah, this super serian.
1:05:33
It's like, how far are they going to get speed? Yeah, cocaine
1:05:40
is yeah? Or angel does it's angel you want to get Is he gonna
1:05:46
die somehow? And that's how Oh he's gonna die from it from complications from
1:05:50
taking it. Yeah, that's why he constantly's grabbing his heart having those issues.
1:05:56
I took that completely away, that that's how he ends. He ends
1:05:59
from the doctor has a problem. I think he's gonna You think he's gonna
1:06:05
end up in the nebula with his daughter because of it? Oh, yeah,
1:06:10
that'll probably be the I think they'll forget all about that and not do
1:06:14
that, even though that's a good idea. Yeah, it's weird. I
1:06:17
don't remember them mentioning that nurse Chapel served with him last year either. They
1:06:24
mentioned that they had a relationship, Like they didn't, Yeah, did something.
1:06:30
She has been calling him Joseph regularly from the from the beginning, which
1:06:35
you know, the relationship between a doctor and a nurse. That is uncommon
1:06:40
for a nurse to feel that she can call a doctor by his first name.
1:06:45
Yeah, and she's not a nurse. Yeah, I mean she's basically
1:06:49
a doctor. She's trying to do these fellowships with the she's got this weird
1:06:56
uniform compared to everybody else, although we did see somebody else in that same
1:06:59
uniform. Finally, like one time in Passing, you know this episode of
1:07:03
the one before one of the two I remember seeing I think it was the
1:07:05
boiler episode where I saw someone walking out in that outfit and it wasn't Nurse
1:07:10
Chapel. But she wears a totally different outfit than everybody else because she's not
1:07:14
a starfleet or whatever. The weird thing was. Yeah, you gotta think
1:07:17
they're they're doing different shifts. There's there's probably more than one doctor too on
1:07:21
the option. I don't know. I don't know what the deal is with
1:07:26
her now, because you know, she's not wearing a star fleet uniform.
1:07:31
I originally had the feeling, Okay, she's she's a civilian working on a
1:07:38
starfleet vessel, but she's not a star fleet officer at this point, right,
1:07:44
But but then we see a flashback where she's in a war zone.
1:07:46
You don't send civilians into a war zone. Yeah, well she's I think
1:07:53
I think what we've talked about before, and I think our consensus was before
1:07:56
on that was she's more of like a doctor's without borders kind Yeah. Yeah,
1:08:00
and so that's why she was in a war zone as well as on
1:08:03
the enterprise now, because this is after the war and so things haven't really
1:08:08
gone back to being integrated yet because almost whatever, every medical has two divisions,
1:08:13
right, like, yeah, they have the starfleet side and then they
1:08:15
have like the civilian side, Yeah, CILI side. At some point,
1:08:20
she's got to become she has to be so at some point that's got to
1:08:27
change in their storyline. Yeah, and what was that kind of sorry now
1:08:32
I messed up my brain like went blank. Uh. You know, like
1:08:38
the episode overall, I hated that he killed him at the end. I
1:08:41
wish, you know, something would maybe they could assault it, you know,
1:08:46
maybe he got arrested for four crimes. Yeah. Well, I like
1:08:50
the fact that he killed them at the end. I don't like the fact
1:08:53
that it was just like we're gonna just sweep that under the rug. Well,
1:08:56
yeah, they diplomat, they really, I think they Deebald Pike this
1:09:02
year. He's not really like he's not the captain. Captain, he's not.
1:09:06
He just lets everybody do whatever it looks. He's just like watch it,
1:09:13
yeah, like quick. Yeah. He really doesn't have He doesn't take
1:09:15
a position on authority very much. Yeah. So another another issue I had,
1:09:24
Um, you know, clingons are supposed to be significantly stronger than humans.
1:09:30
Yeah, yeah, and that that judo match just looked awkward. Yeah,
1:09:36
it's likes at him or what you know it, That's all I can
1:09:45
think of. It's like, just to defeat a cling on, find a
1:09:48
blue barrel and throw it at their back and I'll break the back. It
1:09:53
wasn't for someone who's as good at that in real life as he is.
1:09:57
It was an awkward fighting scene for multiple reasons. To even taking out the
1:10:02
fact that Klingons are way stronger than humans, it looked awkward. Yeah,
1:10:08
you remember me and Warf would do it. They come back with bruises,
1:10:14
you know. Yah. Plus the idea of klingon judo is kind of strange.
1:10:19
The whole thing with judo is it's not it's not striking, it's grappling
1:10:24
and throwing, yeah, and and trapping your opponent, which kind of seems
1:10:29
like the antithesis to how a Klingon would engage in combat, not to mention
1:10:36
to be a piece of cake for a cling on, because you just grab
1:10:39
them and then just pick them up and then throw them like I'm done.
1:10:43
This is really easy stuff human, I mean, right, And Disco they
1:10:48
missed the plot two of the war, Like they had this great thing of
1:10:54
the war and they just completely screwed it up. Yeah, I barely just
1:11:00
brush by. Are like, oh, there's this big war here, but
1:11:00
we're gonna warp over here, you know. Basically, we're gonna go into
1:11:04
the mirror universe and do this thing and then come back. And that was
1:11:09
kind of confusing because they wrapped the whole war up too quick on Disco.
1:11:13
I thought, oh, way way too Yeah. I was like, wow,
1:11:16
the war is over like that. You didn't even show the war.
1:11:18
This is crazy. This is like they always mentioned it, but all of
1:11:21
a sudden it's over. It was like a skirmish. Really yeah, well
1:11:27
that and we're used to DS nine, where the war was what like four
1:11:29
seasons. It did like well when they fought the Kleon's, like you felt
1:11:35
the trauma as some of those guys. It almost makes me wish even though
1:11:42
they screwed up so many things for so many people, it makes me wish
1:11:46
that that side project where those guys were trying to make a movie on the
1:11:51
side, even with some past Trek actors about the war as much as as
1:11:58
much as did all the copyright stuff. I really enjoyed what they did.
1:12:02
I was starting to enjoy what they are putting together. What was the name
1:12:05
of that group. I forget the name of that group now, but oh
1:12:08
no, you're talking about probly upsets Dan when I when I mentioned it,
1:12:11
because he was upset about those guys. So sorry many Um well, Chasmsins,
1:12:16
thanks for being on. Yeah, all right, I guess we still
1:12:21
got time. So Scott's here. Yeay, yeay, I guess how's it
1:12:29
going? Man? Good good, Hey, thanks once again, Chad,
1:12:32
thanks for recovering for men. I appreciate that. Oh you're welcome. You're
1:12:35
welcome anytime. That's great. Um. You know, one of the things
1:12:40
I want to mention nurse Chapel. I see I sort of see her as
1:12:44
like a field specialist. I think she's in Starfleet. Um, I just
1:12:48
think that, you know, she's got a specialty outside of the nursing thing.
1:12:54
You know, because a nurse here, you know, in in twenty
1:12:57
twenty three in the United States, that can be a four or even a
1:13:00
six year degree, um, you know, just like a physician's assistant.
1:13:04
And I kind of see her as a nurse slashed scientist. So you know,
1:13:11
she could have gotten a nursing degree and then she could have gotten you
1:13:14
know, gone to like them I t equivalent, and gotten her masters in
1:13:17
a you know, a subsection of whatever, some kind of medical things.
1:13:20
So yeah, just because she's not a doctor, but I do see her
1:13:26
as part of star Fleet. I don't know exactly what the cannon says about
1:13:29
her. Um. Like I said last week, I've I've made it through
1:13:32
about halfway through the cage so far in my episode, my attempt to rewatch
1:13:38
the original series. We're getting there. We're getting there. I'll probably give
1:13:42
you guys an update by Christmas. There you go on the first episode anyway,
1:13:45
there and I do have I did well. I will have a pack
1:13:50
lad review ready for you probably in a week or two. I didn't want
1:13:56
to overload with pac led reviews because I knew there was one coming up in
1:13:58
the in the voice l and I Honestly, this episode, I uh,
1:14:03
I didn't really have the heart to do a packled review because this episode was
1:14:09
you know, I'm a veteran UM and although I don't, I don't I
1:14:14
didn't see the kind of action that they looked they saw in this episode.
1:14:17
UM, I know people who have and um, this really struck a chord
1:14:23
with me, as I'm sure it has anybody who's been in a combat situation
1:14:27
or been overseas, And I just wanted to one of the things I wanted
1:14:30
to say, since there's a there's a an outlet here for it, is
1:14:34
just to mention the Veteran Crisis Hotline and all you have to do is dial
1:14:41
nine eight eight and press one and you'll get to uh, you'll get to
1:14:45
somebody to help you out. Or you can text eight three eight two five
1:14:48
five, go to the VA, go to the DAV you know, anybody
1:14:53
dealing with PTSD or anything like that. So also nine eight eight is the
1:14:58
national crisis this lifeline as well. Correct correct, So, but yeah,
1:15:03
I thought this was a fantastic episode. Yeah, I did bring back memories
1:15:08
of you know, Palemon Light in the Siege of Aar whatever the episode was.
1:15:14
Um, so yeah, I think, And it makes me wonder if
1:15:17
they what kind of um, what kind of people they have um to give
1:15:24
them advice advisors for these kinds of episodes, if they do have any military
1:15:29
guys on on staff or anything like that. Um, I don't think they
1:15:32
do, because they wear flashlights on either side of their head. Yeah,
1:15:36
that's true. They were still doing in this episode. Two are you saying
1:15:40
that's not tactical? It is not tactical fashion? Okay, gotcha. But
1:15:47
yeah, and as far as as far as the musical episode, you're so
1:15:55
excited, right, Well, I'm gonna reserve judgment. Um. I I
1:16:00
used to hate musicals, and now I kind of like musicals. I I
1:16:02
sort of did stage crew in high school for our musicals, so I have
1:16:06
a love hate relationship with them if they do it right. What's your favorite
1:16:11
musical, Scott? Uh, Well, some of the ones that I worked
1:16:14
on were like Hello Dolly, crazy for you? Um, I did a
1:16:20
civic production of the Wizard of Oz, so um. Yeah, So they
1:16:27
can be fun and if done in the right way. You know, Well,
1:16:31
there's there's two theories of how they're gonna do it. Either they're gonna
1:16:33
have a musical for musical sake, and it's just gonna be a one off,
1:16:36
which would be weird or like, like we talked about last week,
1:16:42
it's going to be some sort of that wave that went through the ship in
1:16:45
the preview looks like it affected them somehow, So maybe it's a Dharmack type
1:16:51
of situation where that's how the alien's gonna communicate. It'd be kind of fun
1:16:56
if they did, like they could only sing like rock songs or like you
1:17:01
know, Galax, some of the Guardians type songs. You know. Right
1:17:04
now, I do have a request, please let Gentry do a quick reaction
1:17:12
to the Oh yeah, I would love that, Gentry, if you're listening,
1:17:16
please, Yeah, he seemed to have he felt some kind of way
1:17:23
about this. Yes, not well right right, so yeah, looking forward
1:17:29
to the episode, and I know we've only got what two left. Yeah,
1:17:32
the musical in the final Okay, it's been a good season. Hasn't
1:17:38
been as good as season one, that's the general reaction. But you know,
1:17:43
they're they're still finding their footing and we'll see where. Oh my gosh,
1:17:50
oh absolutely, he needs to come on the show. Mike. You
1:17:53
need to you need to come on the show. Yeah, for people who
1:17:57
know who don't pay attention to the face with group. Mike is in there
1:18:00
quite a bit. And uh that's some interesting takes from time. It always
1:18:03
has something to say always. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh oh that's what I
1:18:09
love about this community. Yeah, it's great. You know, I love
1:18:12
them. When people like Chad guest host, it's it's it's awesome. It
1:18:16
is. You know, we're thinking about having them on again. Great.
1:18:20
Great, Hey, you're doing a good job. Dad. We're gonna talk
1:18:24
about it, and you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
1:18:28
So I guess we'll get with the Dan and Daniel, I'll get with your
1:18:30
offline about what we're gonna talk about. We'll talk about it, all right.
1:18:36
Well, thanks for being on strong beer. Absolutely take care of guys.
1:18:41
See man, thanks appreciate it. All right. Well, yeah,
1:18:45
anything else we want to bring up? Yeah, if you're at a train
1:18:48
station with Scott Chad, don't don't stand yea. Yeah, oh what happened
1:19:05
to chat? I don't know anymore. Yeah, it's awesome. Oh boy,
1:19:17
all right, Well thanks everyone for listening. Yeah, thanks appreciate.
1:19:23
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