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#358: Socially Acceptable Addictions, Atheist Teaching at Catholic School · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: Here we go, Nick free episode. I don't get many
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  Speaker 1: of them. Oh they're great. Nice, they're way better. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Gmail dot Calm. I'm now draws from the churn. He's
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  Speaker 1: here him, That's why I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 2: Benjamin's time for some bond therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Nick accent is like it reminds me of like FDR
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  Speaker 1: North Atlantic. Yeah, you know, like old elitism, like the
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  Speaker 1: Great Gatsby. That's Nick. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Niang look
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  Speaker 1: at him and goat speaking am Iowa. The other interpretation
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  Speaker 1: of Jacob's uh impression is Sam the Eagle from the Muppets.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, deeper, more like chest boy. It's more like
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  Speaker 1: it's not far for fabulous and much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing a lot more old nasal with Nick
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  Speaker 2: and a little a little old chesty.
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  Speaker 1: Eagle, which honestly, if you look up Sam the Eagle
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  Speaker 1: and then you look up Nick, Nick is the human
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  Speaker 1: equivalent of Sam's really fucking fat. It's very cool. Look
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  Speaker 1: him up, Sam the Eagle, and then right it's it's
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  Speaker 1: the chicken leg. Yeah, you know, he's got the beak
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  Speaker 1: and he's just got like that brow and the yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's Nick. Like the forehead that's.
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  Speaker 3: Nick, and yeah, I know, and like it is day is.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite day. It is election day, is the American way.
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  Speaker 1: It is election day as we are recording this, but
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  Speaker 1: future you knows what happened, and innocent us has no idea.
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  Speaker 2: So like you know all of the unrest, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all of the riot, all the things you know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't even know about those things, horrible truth, you know everything,
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  Speaker 2: but excited to do an abbreviated show today. Absent Nick,
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  Speaker 2: who as you are hearing this probably is in Paris,
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  Speaker 2: I believe, And so you know, we wish him well.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he gets home safely, which I think you will.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't eat anything, I think that's the trick.
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  Speaker 2: Don't drink the water, don't swim in the river, don't
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  Speaker 2: eat things. I think Paris is fine, Joe. They don't pasteurize.
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  Speaker 1: Things, right, isn't that a meaningful thing? How many things
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  Speaker 1: do you need pasteurized? I don't know see that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what that is. I think it means
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  Speaker 1: to refrigerate. So that's it's dangerous. Definitely not what that
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  Speaker 1: means drinking right from the Cow's team.
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  Speaker 3: Big.
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  Speaker 2: The big way you can tell the difference between pasteurization
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  Speaker 2: and refrigeration is they are two different words.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, and how they're pronounced. That's right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: big part of this Wow. Well, as I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: we want to welcome our first ever therap paramour had
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  Speaker 1: to make up a whole new fucking word. That, guys,
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  Speaker 1: If you have to ask, you can't afford it? Great? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So the dark Lord pretty much went for market fucking price, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and took this thing to a whole new level that
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  Speaker 1: just stunned us. So thank you, the dark Lord. Dark Lord,
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  Speaker 1: you are awesome and so grateful. Joy referring to you
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  Speaker 1: as the dark Lord. It's great. I like all of
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  Speaker 1: whose name shall not be said, but is the Dark Lord.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Welcome to the support circle,
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  Speaker 1: and we appreciate you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, the algorithm has sided recently that I need to
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  Speaker 2: watch the Harry Potter movies. You know, for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just getting clips of Harry Potter movies.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's so weird. Why, yeah, my TikTok did that
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  Speaker 1: with the last Samurai. I'm getting just Tom Cruise movie. Yes, why,
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  Speaker 1: I have no fucking Tom Cruise movie from the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, I think that these movies pay
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  Speaker 1: TikTok to like get these cuts in there. Because then
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  Speaker 1: I started looking it up. I'm like, oh, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna rent it because like I keep seeing clips
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, when it's been a while
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  Speaker 1: to watch. The other one I'm getting is Lord of
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  Speaker 1: War with Nicholas k and I'm also, again I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: it up. I'm like, well, do I have a subscription
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  Speaker 1: that has this? Yeah, So like, no, I think they
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  Speaker 1: figured it out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to break it to whoever is
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  Speaker 2: running it, but I really don't care about watching the
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter movies.
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  Speaker 1: You say that, now you watch a few dozen more
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  Speaker 1: clips and you're gonna get the itch. I don't watch them.
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  Speaker 1: That's you ever watch them?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, sorry, have you ever watched Harry Potter movies?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen all of them. Okay, I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a few of them. Okay, you do need to
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  Speaker 2: that is worth it? Well, I mean I'll see it
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  Speaker 2: at some point.
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  Speaker 1: I imagine probably it's easier if you're like a Disney household.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Disney, but like, if that's part of your appetite,
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  Speaker 1: we do like our Disney.
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  Speaker 3: I know you for Disney.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to put that to the test today because
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  Speaker 1: the trivia that I have designed is Whitney specific questions
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  Speaker 1: that advantage Whitney versus Jacob specific questions that advantage Jacob.
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  Speaker 1: And each round, I'm going to do three and mix
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  Speaker 1: them up so that you each get We're only going
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  Speaker 1: to get the other person's question. We're going to see,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see, but Whitney specific questions.
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  Speaker 2: On any of my shows, Jacob specific questions, I usually
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  Speaker 2: missed those questions.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to see. We're going to see Whitneys are
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  Speaker 1: heavily Disney centric and Jacob's are heavily Whiskey centric. I
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  Speaker 1: do know a lot about Disney. I probably know more
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  Speaker 1: about Disney than I know about whiskey. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: find out.
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  Speaker 3: I have.
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  Speaker 1: Way underestimated you on this because so it is. You
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  Speaker 1: may have and you may have over I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say the topic is, but it is Disney focused
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  Speaker 1: and uh stuff about whiskey. We'll see, we'll see. But
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  Speaker 1: we've got some great questions to kick off today's show.
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  Speaker 1: The first one, speaking of whiskey, is about socially acceptable addictions. Hi, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: I love Yeah. I yelled caffeine last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, deep, yeah, I was just finishing a good glass
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  Speaker 2: of tea in my car.
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  Speaker 1: You know, speaking of caffeine and socially acceptable addictions. We
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  Speaker 1: live in Nevada, listeners, and in the West, we have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people that are Latter Day Saints Mormons,
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  Speaker 1: that's true, Jesus. They drink a lot of Monsters coffee.
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  Speaker 2: But for some reason that's into caffeine. But like the
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  Speaker 2: monster thing is fairly new. I think it is because
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  Speaker 2: they have used to be able to drink the energy drinks.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it's like the Rama Spring, a thing that
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  Speaker 1: happens with the Amish kids where they have no resilience
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  Speaker 1: and then they're all of a sudden told like you
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  Speaker 1: can do cocaine, and then they all fall off the
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  Speaker 1: fucking boat.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also like because Mormonism, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: they're because they don't like Mormon. They don't like that anymore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it's Latter Days Latter Day Saints. So do I
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  Speaker 2: just call them the Latter Day Saints?
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  Speaker 1: I think?
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  Speaker 2: So it's like the Mormon it's like the who Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think you just do it like that.
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  Speaker 1: So whatever. So those people like they're they're a young religion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still have like they don't still but
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  Speaker 2: they have a prophet and stuff like on they can
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  Speaker 2: change the rules, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like fairly recently they they.
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  Speaker 2: Said that black people aren't like biblically inferior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which you know, I want to come out. I'm
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  Speaker 1: for I'm for that, I'm for the change. I consider
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  Speaker 1: myself on the progressive side of Mormonism. Okay, so they are, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm for the new profiting.
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  Speaker 2: They like black people more now and for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: like some caffeine is okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I think it's like I think it's
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  Speaker 1: coffee's bad but soda or like monsters you can get
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  Speaker 1: away with. I don't get it. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the rules are, but every Mormon I know is just
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  Speaker 1: sucking down monsters like they are founding that ship. Which
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  Speaker 1: I'm impressed that you're getting a red Bull. That's a
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  Speaker 1: big red bull too, Like I can only do that.
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  Speaker 1: I can only do the tiny one. Yeah, that's the one.
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  Speaker 3: I usually drink, like half.
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  Speaker 1: Hoies. You won't do any energy drinks. I just hate them.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a coffee guy? Though?
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  Speaker 2: I'll drink coffee and tea. I mean, I'll drink an
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  Speaker 2: energy drink if that's what's required. If I just have to,
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  Speaker 2: I have to do a bump to get through the night.
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  Speaker 2: I bet, I bet I drink less than one energy
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  Speaker 2: drink a year.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Well, no, I'm not, because
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  Speaker 1: I will drink red bulls, but only when we record.
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  Speaker 1: It's only I was going to say.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I probably drink one once a year
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  Speaker 3: until I started.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you need to grow up and do lines in
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom like an adult.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know y'all were doing that before.
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  Speaker 1: Keeps it's an excuse to do lines in the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: We've even published an episodes for three It's just an excuse,
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  Speaker 1: all right, lines in.
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  Speaker 2: The bathroomially acceptable addictions.
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  Speaker 3: Hi 'all.
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  Speaker 1: I love listening to your show every week. Y'all are
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  Speaker 1: a vast resid for this one. Yeah, a vast reservoir
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  Speaker 1: of knowledge and frequently surprise me with your level headed,
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  Speaker 1: useful advice, even on the most difficult of questions. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: here's mine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't usually have this have the script today because
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  Speaker 2: Nick isn't here, so I don't usually see that.
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  Speaker 1: People also spell the words how I see.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't the script because.
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  Speaker 2: Our listeners are just assholes, not at all wonderful people.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: Now really. For the past two years or so, I've
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  Speaker 1: been struggling with an unidentifiable sleep disorder. Sleep has never
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  Speaker 1: been the slightest problem for me, but now I can't
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  Speaker 1: get through a single night without multiple wakings. I've tried
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: many on and off label medications, the classic recommendations such
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: as changing pillows or controlling the temperature of the room,
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: and CBT for insomnia also called CBTI. Part of this
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: problem has been discovered to be sleep apnea, which I'm
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: now successfully treating with a sea paths good but there
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: is still a large unknown factor. I suspect it to
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: be a case of long COVID, as I developed all
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: this immediately after recovering from a case of COVID that
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  Speaker 1: was otherwise mild. I find that on many days the
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  Speaker 1: only way I'm able to reasonably function is with the
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  Speaker 1: help of caffeine. I only use it in the morning
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  Speaker 1: so as not to interfere with my sleep, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: carefully looking out for correlations between my caffeine intake and
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  Speaker 1: sleep quality. But nonetheless, it feels like an addiction. It's
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  Speaker 1: a struggle to go without it. My tolerance gets higher
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  Speaker 1: the more I use it. I get very intense cravings,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes I've an experienced withdraws. It's occurred to me
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  Speaker 1: that this is one of the few socially acceptable addictions
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  Speaker 1: in our society. So what are your thoughts on caffeine addiction,
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  Speaker 1: especially coming from a substance use background. Oh good, Nick's
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  Speaker 1: not here? Is it ignored? Don't worry, I'll pitch it often,
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  Speaker 1: trust me. Substance use background you're talking about, Jacob Smith,
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  Speaker 1: It is an ignored ground, the foreground and future and present.
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  Speaker 1: Did bumps in the bathroom on the way here? How
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  Speaker 1: does medication with caffeine differ from that of alcohol or marijuana?
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  Speaker 1: What are some things that I can do to ensure
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  Speaker 1: it remains in the functional rather than disfunctional realm? For context,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a twenty seven year old male. My pronouns are
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  Speaker 1: he and him, thank you? Who coffee addiction.
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  Speaker 2: If you think caffeine addiction is just fine in society,
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  Speaker 2: which it is, I've got really bad news for you
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  Speaker 2: about sugar. Yeah, especially in the US, Like we put
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  Speaker 2: sugar in everything. You eat so much sugar on a
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  Speaker 2: daily basis in the US without noss.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so true.
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  Speaker 2: And if you if you think getting off caffeine is bad,
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  Speaker 2: getting off sugar is tex.
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  Speaker 3: It's so hard, like it's brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Like we are all.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say that virtually everyone in
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  Speaker 2: the US is addicted to some degree addicted to sugar.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally the reason we have dentistry, Like cavities exist,
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  Speaker 1: because that's right.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, when ants wouldn't let Subway
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  Speaker 2: call their bread bread sugar, they made them cake.
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  Speaker 1: It was pastries and the US was like wait, what what.
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  Speaker 2: How much is at and the bread it was like yes,
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  Speaker 2: you idiots literally.
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  Speaker 3: Cake like Hawaiian rolls exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We're tonight for election night. We're doing a barbe pulled
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  Speaker 1: barbecue pork sliders, okay on the little Hawaiian rolls with
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  Speaker 1: some coal slaw on top.
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  Speaker 3: Very nice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the Hawaiian rolls, don't They
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  Speaker 1: are too sweet. But it's hard to find other roles.
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  Speaker 3: Little pre cut roll you gotta have.
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  Speaker 2: You have to write something on there, think, yeah, like
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: you can do you can do the sliders, but then
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  Speaker 2: you have to be careful with the spices and everything.
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  Speaker 3: In the barbecue sauce.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah already. Yeah, you gotta get like a vinegar based
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  Speaker 1: barbecue sauce. That's another thing that's just loaded with sugar
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't know about. All the sauces, barbecue sauce,
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  Speaker 1: ketchup and sauce.
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  Speaker 2: You can fucking like prey Go or whatever brand of
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  Speaker 2: pasta sauce. I know, I'm pulling a brand from the
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  Speaker 2: nineties right now from yeah, but yeah, like whatever whatever
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  Speaker 2: brand of pasta sauce like that's got sugar in it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, anyway, writer, thanks for writing in good luck.
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  Speaker 1: I make some.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet tea all the time with just a block of sugar.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: I I have looked at the amount of sugar that
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  Speaker 2: I put in, and I put a lot of sugar
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  Speaker 2: into a big, your gallon pitcher of sweet tea that
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: I've been keeping the fridge, and I have looked at
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  Speaker 2: the amount of sugar that's in, like the the bottles
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  Speaker 2: of sweet tea that you can buy in the gas.
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  Speaker 1: Stations and stuff peak, and it's I'm putting like a third.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like it's not it's less than half.
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  Speaker 2: I'm putting like a third of the sugar, and I
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  Speaker 2: still think it's pretty sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I saw this TikTok where they were showing with little
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  Speaker 1: cubes what the average American eats in sugar every day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's it's bad. I was shocked, Like it was
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  Speaker 1: a mountain of sugar, and I'm like, how in the
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  Speaker 1: fuck is.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is one of those things that I don't
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  Speaker 2: know for sure, but I feel like it must be
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  Speaker 2: true somewhere. Is that, Like there must be some bottled
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  Speaker 2: water somewhere that just has sugar in it that makes sense,
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  Speaker 2: like eight rade, yes, oh yeah, got sugar for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Every coke product. I think you're not far off coffee
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  Speaker 1: so okay. Every morning, I am three to five cups
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  Speaker 1: of coffee. There's a lot of coffee, is it though? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not the big honkin mugs. I like a
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  Speaker 1: nice regular coffee. I like the small mug. You know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people get them big ol'd like twelve
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  Speaker 1: ounce ones. I'm about the eight because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: it to get cold, because I'm not like gulping it.
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  Speaker 1: But there's not like normal coffee mug size. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking coffee from about five am like this to yes.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Oh the pod therapyffee.
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  Speaker 2: Pot therapy coffee mug my therapist knows about you is
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  Speaker 1: It's in a while since we promoted the merch. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking coffee from five am to about noon and
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  Speaker 1: then if I'm at UNLV, well, no, that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking coffee NonStop from five afternoon. After that a
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  Speaker 1: couple hours in about two three o'clock, if I have
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  Speaker 1: some free time, I'm going to Starbucks and getting one
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  Speaker 1: more iced coffee.
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  Speaker 2: And how much of that is habit and how much
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  Speaker 2: of that is need for caffee? See, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: because I never tried to stop. So now I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to find out. Am I addicted to heroin?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just going to keep using heroin
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  Speaker 1: and it will never have to find out. Fine, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about you're reading into it. You're in denial.
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  Speaker 1: Shut up.
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  Speaker 3: Are you a daily coffee drinker, Jacob?
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  Speaker 2: No, but I'm I'm almost everyday tea Okay, I drink
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  Speaker 2: a good bit of tea.
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  Speaker 1: Is this far off from coffee? Is the caffeine wise?
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty similar? Yeah? I think. So what's your tea?
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  Speaker 3: You know what kind of tear drink? Green tea? Your
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: breakfast tea?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, earl gray?
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  Speaker 2: It depends if it depends on if I want it
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  Speaker 2: hot or cold, Like I have a nice English breakfast
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  Speaker 2: blend or a nice Earl.
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  Speaker 1: Gray that I'll do if I want a hot tea.
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  Speaker 1: What are they?
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to ask. Coffee O me?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Cream?
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  Speaker 2: Oh in the in the tea? I either do it
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  Speaker 2: straight or I'll do a little bit of honey. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: just honey, just a touch of honey.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You're not any milk in your see, I got likes
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the milk big and I put too much half in
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: and my wife gets pissed because, like, I like my
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: coffee light. Yeah. I take my coffee like my women
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: without another man in it. Yeah, exactly, yeah, ground up
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and in the freezer.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no like light sweet, I do the liquid Stevia.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, so I'll do a squirre to that, and then
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I'm putting in probably fifteen percent of the mug is
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: probably going to be half and half. Okay, so it's
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it's the bottom layer there, and then I'm bowing New Orleans.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I did have a nice Cafe ol A, which is
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of cream. Oh, it's a creamy coffee. It's
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: like half and half. I'm gonna start telling people that's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: what I drink. I'm gonna just tell them I have
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Cafe ol A, and I'm gonna let them. Yeah, chickory
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: chickeny used no tears. Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: How I like my coffee.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You get the and then filled that about halfway up
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: with cream.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And it's real fucking good. I like, how do you
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: take your coffee or what are you in the mornings?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Are you coffee tea?
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: One cup of coffee? Out of habit? Jacob is spot
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: on for me because I literally do not feel a
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: difference between you wake up seven seven thirty and.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: You're hitting one cup of coffee, one cup and just
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: for the flavor.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I noticed that YouTube guys both
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: went to bed really late last night. You were texting
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: me at seven am. Yeah, presumably had not gone to
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: bed yet. That's not how most people operated.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I'll wait for Jacob later. I was like, I'm not
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: going to check that out Las Vegas performer math.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: You noticed I was spotted at nine though today today
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I was leaving home. I hadn't been back home yet.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I've been out in about.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: No, I'm a one cup like I don't know. Yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I don't need it. It's just Habit feels good and
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: cozy the morning, Like I just like having a vibe. Yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: like the smell of the Yes, he will have like
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: two espressos and they will have like maybe a third
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: one later.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Like he We do have an espresso machine at the show.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Occasionally have an espresso at the show now nice. We
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: also have a coffee like a coffee stand the show.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: We sell coffee. Yeah, I'll get a coffee there every
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: so often.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get that little pick me up. See, if I'm
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: not drinking water, I'm drinking coffee. But I don't like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: any other beverages. Okay, I don't like anything.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: The cream is in all of those coffees half and half, and.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just ron Burgundy the two lead, just sipping right
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: from the fucking garten.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So I've got a couple of thoughts on anonymous here
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: hit it and uh.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: So, one is it sounds like we've got two different things.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: We got a sleeping issue and that we have the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: caffeine thing and the sleeping issue. I feel like that
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: needs to get fixed faster. Yeah, and like, go to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the doctor, Go see your go see your general practice.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They're doing so many right things, you know. I like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that the medicines. I like the sleep apnea.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: And they're just but they're just trying different over the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: counter things right now, I think they are.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they time to kick that up and not
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Go to the doctor and and see about getting like
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: a real sleep aid a lot of them now or
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: not have it forming that's you don't You don't have
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to be concerned about that. Yeah, So yeah, go and
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and uh maybe get a sleep study done, which I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: think they would have had to do for the apnea,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: U get sea get maybe sleep study maybe. Yeah, So
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: if you haven't done a sleep study, maybe maybe see
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: if you can get a sleep study done. I like that,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And they're a pain in the ass to do. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: then after you've done them, you've done them okay, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it's and it's over and done with.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's weird that we still have to do
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that because we have like Apple watches that are like
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: monitoring everything.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: About I'm sure that there's I know there are take
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: home sleep studies as well, where you can just like
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: hook the sensors up to yourself and go to bed.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I assume because you bring the doctor home with you,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I mean always out there just watching with an arm
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: on their their head, just watching you all night, studying you.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Sometimes just volunteers.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Do you need a sleep watcher?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I can do it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm up late.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I listened to podcasts up till seven am times.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's also a good way to help you fall asleep, writer,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: is just go watch other people sleep. Yeah, I think
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: definitely try that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I've had sleep issues in the past, and and there
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: are a couple of different things that I've taken over
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the years, and everything harder meds and uh.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Some harder meds.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Some. I have one right now that's uh marijuana based
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: pill without the THHC in it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm not being cag but I don't remember when CBD.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It's some version of it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Something in that neighborhood, and that seems to worry. It's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: just straight him. Yeah, I just chew on it a
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: piece of rope.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Wow, lets me right out, little earthy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But for me, it's I just have to get back
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: into the rhythm of it, so like I'll need something
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: every now and then to kind of kickstart my my
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: rhythm back into it. Yeah, and then I'm and then
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of okay again for a while.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with you because if this is a long
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: COVID thing, which I've heard some similar symptoms from folks,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: You're probably right that you're gonna have to see a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: psychiatrist at some point, and they might have to start
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: reaching for things like trasodone or.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It's like non addictive trasidone.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's taking trasidone for fun. Nobody's taking hydroxyzine for fun,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: or if they get up there to like an anti psychotic.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I could see that too. Because a lot of times
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: those are off labeled or ambient. Ambient can be abbitforming.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah don't it's on the list. I mean, you know
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: your psychiatrists might want to do that. I really appreciate
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the writer talking about cbt I. It doesn't come at
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a lot. So this is an area I've been learning
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a lot about because it turns out the UNLV clinic
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: has a lot of specialists in it, and so that's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: been really neat and a lot of the students get
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: advanced training in it, and they do like a whole
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: protocol for it. And so then I started, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: taking the extra work and like trying to learn about
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it and reading the manuals very impressive of what.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: CBTI can do. And it really has to do with
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: breaking down the habit. You'd think it has a lot
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to do with like perspective, and it does, but a
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: lot of its behavioral activation and like helping your body
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: get into the right ritual state, a lot of self analysis.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But it's again it's a very evidence based practice. So
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the writer bringing up like, hey, I've even tried this
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the psychological way not hitting any ground. I think the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: best suggestion on sleep is probably Jacob's but what do
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: we think about this idea of caffeine maybe dependence.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I know, and they're experiencing withdraws, well.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: They're I mean, you're ticking all the boxes and we
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: don't talk about it enough. But in the DSM five
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that is a thing. Yeah, yeah, caffeine dependence is a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: disorder that it can exist. Caffeine withdrawal is a disorder.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And if you look it up you'll see that the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: actual criteria are pretty pronounced, like people notice the difference.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Are your thoughts coming from that? Like addiction background? I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: mean yeah, like because in theory it's like a problem
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: if it's disrupting your life or whatnot. So maybe if
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the withdrawal symptoms are disrupting your life, and honymobs.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and the writer brings up the right word functional, right,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and so like we joke about functional alcoholism and that's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: probably not the gold star you're aiming for. But functional
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: caffeine dependence is American, you know, this is the American way.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Honestly, even being in Italy, I thought this was really interesting.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: The espresso, which I believe has less caffeine than a
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: regular brewed cup of coffee, which is kind of a misnomer.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeheah, I would think it's the shot.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But very often we jump into like a little cafe
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to I wouldn't get an espresso, but like Peter Wood
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and you would see workers in their little like reflective vests.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: They just go up and get their little shot of
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: espresso and then they leave and it's like all throughout
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: the day. So I mean, yeah, we kind of joke
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: that that's very American, the like cups of coffee are
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like a big mug of coffee, but really those little
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: espresso's just two three pm all throughout the afternoon.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the European thing they hate pour over coffee, right,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: but their thing is like it's a French press or
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it's an expresso. They don't do pour over coffee.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: And yeah, like just regular cups of coffee, like brewed
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: cups that you don't see that. Yeah, you might get
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: an Americana, which is just an espresso with water.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: To oh okay, see, I don't know.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm really curious about the amount of caffeine in a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: shot of espresso because they feel like it is higher,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: but then it's so concentrated.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I mean, writer, you're you're knocking
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: on the right door. So, like one, I want to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: speak to the science of this. Yes, caffeine dependence is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a thing. Yes, you're The title of your letter is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a great way to frame this that functionally we have
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: substances that American society just accepts that we run on
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: sugar was a bigger Oh yeah, if you just tried
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to cut sugar out of your life, you would probably
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: go through withdraws. You know, you would have such craving,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: such hunger pain, even though you're full, you're sated, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like your body looks for the sugar and it's a big,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: big part. And so like, caffeine is absolutely one of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: those things that's like, functionally okay, we joke about it,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we've normalized it, and there's a lot of strong arguments
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out there that caffeine is not great for your health.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: But to me, the big thing that I'm looking to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is this dysfunction and what I'm seeing in this letter
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: though I'm seeing the writers say, look, I'm being careful
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: not to be hitting at caffeine later and later, I'm
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: trying not to allow that to tip the scales with
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: my sleep disorder. So I'm just finding that I am
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: dependent on it, but i am finding that my tolerance
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: is increasing, I'm experiencing cravings, and that when I'm not
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: getting enough of it, I'm experiencing withdrawal. And there are
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: withdraw symptoms to caffeine. And obviously tiredness is one that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: most people think of, but irritability is one, Restlessness is one. Headaches.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Headaches can be a big one. Some people get the shakes,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the shakes. I've had some people getting they see spots.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's not hallucination.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It just has to do with like their retinas, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like they're seeing blue and like all sorts of stuff.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So I mean, there can disorientation, dizziness. So this absolutely
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: can be a thing. And I think if you're looking
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: at that, the classic advice on this is gonna be weaning,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, we're gonna want you to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: start weaning down because your body will adapt, like if
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you become dependent on the caffeine. What's fundamentally happening, And
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not to get too into the science of like how
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: ADP works and shit, but essentially what caffeine is doing
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: is it's binding with certain phosphate receptors that are essentially
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: blocking the biochemicals that signal tiredness. So those chemicals ultimately
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: build up in your system anyway, they don't dissolve. Caffeine
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't make them go away, And contrary to popular belief,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: caffeine doesn't technically lift you as much as it's blocking
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the receptor for tiredness. So then eventually the half life
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of the caffeine is exceeded, it wears away, it no
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: longer blocks the receptor, and then you do get those
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: tired biochemical signals that attach to your brain. And now
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that's the crash, right, that's when you suddenly feel it
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: all at once. So in theory, if you're weaning yourself away,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're allowing more of those receptors
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to touch those biochemicals that naturally form. And then slowly
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: over time, you're going to be decreasing that sense of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: withdrawal and you're going to learn to tolerate those those
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: receptors more, which I mean that more natural state is
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: good for you in the end. And I've gone through
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: times where I've just detoxed off of coffee completely.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have like days maybe on the weekend,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: or you have you know, I don't know. You're on vacation.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: You take some time off, Yeah, that time to try
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: and reduce.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely or even switching to like decaf for a while,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: because the habit is a big party. Like for me,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I need that hot cup like it has to happen.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: If I don't have that, it's weird. It is the vibe.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Are you okay?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: If you have a cup of coffee and Peter pours
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: himself a cup of tea?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Is that okay? Or does that bother you?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Why would it bother me?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Bothers me? Why Peter drinks tea? Yeah, I'm not okay
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Tell Peter I will let him is a big tea
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: drinker that he's kind of buff.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Let's just let's just get along. I think Peter and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I need to have a great policy of like, hey,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: we could be friendly. I'm not here to annoy you,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: but he loves.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: That when he makes tea, You'll be like, make me
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: a cup, but I have to put my own amount
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: of honey in it because he will put so much.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's just sugar water.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I go. Do you put splash of milk in your tea?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: If it's breakfast? Tea I will. I love that. That's
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: a whole vibe too. It just takes me back to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: traveling and like, you know, the first time I experienced that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: But other teas no, otherwise, I'm not doing any of these. No,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it's got now.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody's mad at you.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: The cream, jod Joys the cream.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Look, I just want it to be known. I'm strongly
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: coming out on team Dairy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Fine day. Doesn't dairy messes with my stomach.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: A bit, so I don't really really doesn't.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: It tastes delicious, it does like Jacob's coffee a or whatever.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I know dairy doesn't want you to do.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Anyway, writer, this is a very relatable thing. Yes, is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a thing. I really like the idea of decreasing it though,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: especially if we're going to be talking to a psychi
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: trist and we're going to start getting meds in there.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: The fewer biochemicals that can mess with this. So one
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of the things if Nick were here, here's one of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the things Nick Wick impersonation, Yeah right, it's always a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: fucking treatment plan with Nick, work out, go to the gym,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: one of the yeah right, pushups, bitch. So like one
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of the things that Nick and made a Nazi. That's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: always the answer. When Nick and I ran a half
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: way house that had everybody there had severe mental illness,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they were all medicated, and a lot of them were
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: on various kinds of sleep aids as well, because little
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: known fact, whenever you blow out a bunch of your
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: dopamine receptors with different kinds of drugs, sleep is usually
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a problem. So one of the things that we would
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: often struggle with though, is our patients would just load
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: up on monster energy drinks and they were just constantly
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: hitting this stuff and the touring and the guacasine and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: all that other bullshit that's in there. It would fuck
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: up their psych meds a lot of the time. So
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: writers talking about kind of standard issue coffee. But what
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize is that, uh, heavy
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: doses of caffeine can fuck up your psych meds. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: so when you do talk to that psychiatrist at Jacob's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: recommendation to kind of talk about some items on the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: top shelf that will help you are going to want
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to get this caffeine work way down.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that helps, and uh yeah, get the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: get the sleep studies do all that kind of stuff
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: with the doctors. Uh and yeah, work back on the caffeine,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and I think those two things will help.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Each other out. That's gonna be that's gonna be great
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for you. I believe it. Yeah, you can you can
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: do this. You'll find your way. This is all doable stuff. Yep.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go into a break right now.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we're gonna talk about atheist teaching
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: at a Catholic school.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: For full disclosure, we've already done this quiz. Want so
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Jim just came up with different questions. Yeah, because the
• 30:41
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• 30:47
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• 30:51
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• 30:59
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  Speaker 1: to patreon dot com slash therapy. All right, So we
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: tried to do trivia, but we had some tech issues.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: What we learned in that first iteration was that my
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Whitney based questions, which were lyrics from Disney movies. We
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: gave Jacob the chance to answer them first, and he dunked.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: He just missed. Now none all of them. So in
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: order to stop him from doing that again, I have
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: now changed the questions, and now we have other alterations
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of Disney.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Based question questions about Whitney's neighborhood. We're gonna get some
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Whitney questions, all right, in your backyard?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: There is a chair? What color? All right? So these
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: are multiple choice Disney based questions. The first one is
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: which Disney character famously says to infinity and beyond buzz
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like you all right? What is the name of the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: kingdom where the movie Frozen takes place? Ice World? That's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: solid off. Would you like the options? Sure? Option A, Atlantica,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Option B, Arundel, Option C Corona, or Option D Agraba?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I know it? What is it? One?
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Two, three?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: We're going with Arndell. Final answers and yes, that is correct.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I got a tie game. Last question for the Whitney
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: round in the Lion King, what is the name of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Simba's father's assistant.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I've got two different names in my head.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: They're basically the same. But okay, I do have a guess. Okay,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: this is for Simba's fathers, Simba's father's assistant. We keep
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: having technical issues. We're sorry, We're yeah, whatever is what
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it is? It's the bird. Yeah, I think throwing it
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: his name Zazo.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: A your final answer.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Zazo and I'm gonna hope that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: one of the options.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you want options with here? Are you going
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: in blind?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: No? I think he's right, it is.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't hold that out of my brain though, So
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I'm imprestrating.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Just crushing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Oh been like birds birds?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I underestimated jacob parents. Alright.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: The psychology tests and Disney Disney trivia.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You don't think he's gonna do those. He's gonna He's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: got all my gym powers that Disney ship. That's right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It's like highlights so afround high game. Wow. Very impressive.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Next and probably final question, atheists teaching at
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a Catholic school. Dear pod therapy friends. I've been a
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: supply slash daily occasional teacher for over five years in
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: different public boards, with a couple of long term stints
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and special education. My search for a stable teaching job
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: has pushed me to teach in a Catholic school board,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and my intake paperwork required me to confirm that I
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: would adhere to the teachings of the Church. I took
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: up this new chapter in my life thinking that I
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: could get by just teaching the students to be good
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: citizens and focus on the good aspects of the Catholic
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Church's teachings. I'm not trying to convert my students one
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: where the other grew up.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Had a lot of Catholic churches in Louisiana and a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: lot of Catholic schools, and yeah that that ain't how
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: they weren't.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: As there are also a few non Catholic students in
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the school. In September, my duties expanded into teaching religion
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to elementary students around ten to eleven years old. Well, now,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that's just a bad practice on airports, like a terrible idea.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: During one of our class discussions, I found myself writing
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on the board messages like if you don't know God,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you don't know love. This was an idea expressed by
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: one of my students. I was writing it down to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: ensure proper spelling and punctuation so that the students could
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: copy this on their worksheets. Last week we started studying
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: select passages from the Bible. Sadly not Ezekiel twenty five seventeen.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Pause for Samuel L. Jackson impersonation I shall know my
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: name is a Lord, and I reach forth and smite you.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I knew y'all would know that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the one that says bad motherfuck, contributing
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to this becoming an Italian air show. Now, my wife,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: who's also a seasoned teacher in the public board, is
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: converting to Catholicism because the Catholic schools have many more
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: resources available, like the number of photocopies, class supplies, budget
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: for field trips, and guest speakers. I've started going to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: church on Sundays as I need a letter from the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: priest as a pastoral reference. Oh did I mention that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'm my wife's mentor during her conversion?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: What is going on Catholicism?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Your background check process is terrible? Yeah, I mean for
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: this reason alone and no other that I can think of.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Are there any reasons or the ultraboys? Those are the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: two issues.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Are there any resources?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, I've got bad, terrible news. Are there any
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: resources on how to reconcile? This double life that I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: having to deal with. I'm not an actor or undercover agent,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm just putting on a mask
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: when I go to work at the school or to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: participate in church life. Coach advice, fake it till you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: make it? Yeah, but what if I'm not interested in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: fixing the faked part? Can I just compartmentalize this persona
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and keep my sanity? I feel like I'm liking my
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: job even less these days. I need help. Fucking you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in the face. Atheist rookie teacher at a Catholic school.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Pronouns are he and him, Yeah, wow, thank you. I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: lived a version of this. So I taught for eight
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: years at a very religious Pentecostal school. It was uninitiated.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: This is the you know, speaking in tongues, yes, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: rolling in the aisles. And that was this school. And
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I taught there. And I didn't grow up that way.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I grew up Baptist, so pretty reserved.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I remember the women couldn't wear makeup, couldn't cut their hair,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and had to wear dresses.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's more of a fundamentalist approach. Okay, these folks
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: were modern, they were just okay, Okay, just a lot
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of big stuff.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Southern Pentecostals are a hardcore that's a hardcore group.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't quite in that lane. But it was
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: also a very politically conservative church that was very loud
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: about that. And during this hour of my life, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: was discovering my progressive, liberal, you know feelings. And that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: was a really tough thing because the curriculum was a BECA,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: which is like the most conservative Christian shit you'll ever find,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Like it is rude in the Deep South, and so
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like I was teaching history and there's like things in
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: there about how Ronald Reagan was God's gift and like, yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just like really excessive shit that was like, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: liberal policies want to kill babies, and like this was
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in the text book that I was teaching like seventh graders,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and it was really weird because I had to be
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: like not correcting that or teaching the kids any differently right,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: or like kids would ask me about like speaking in
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: tongues and like using spiritual gifts and how to like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: heal people in faith. Yeah, and I'm like, I don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: know what to say about this because like I don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: align with that. That's not my teachings, but like I
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: also to be really careful not to accidentally say anything
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that's not cool. And now when you were doing this,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: did the higher ups?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Did your bosses know that you were not with their
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: faith lineup or politicals completely it came out okay.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So I flew under the radar for a couple of years.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: They knew that I had come from a Baptist background,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but they were cool with it because they'd asked me
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: about like, are you gonna is this a problem? And
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care. I'm not the guy
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: who's gonna shoot on your your ideology. I don't care.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I'm really chill, and they're like, all right, cool. But
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the political thing they were really serious about. And like,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I flew under the radar for a while until I
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: wrote a book so not popular known on the It
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: was Freed Advice. So I wrote a book that was
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: like about politics, and it was about how I had
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: come from like this book that only like ants could read,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: right right right, yeah ant book yeah and for fathers
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: later that's right, just for like ants and on goals.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So the gimmick was I had gone to Liberty University.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I was raised inside of the most culturally conservative version
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of Christianity, and yet somehow that thinking accidentally led me
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: backwards into a more liberal interpretation of good moral policy.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And so I found that interesting in most folks that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I shared that with found that really compelling, and so
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I was approached by some folks and said, hey, we
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: think you should write about this. It was like a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: great and so I wrote a book basically going over
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: different policies like immigration, abortion, environmentalism and explaining here's how
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I used conservative Christian math to land on a politically
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: liberal point of view. Okay, unronically, and like still considered
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: myself conservatively Christian, not conservative politically, but conservative theologically, and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: was landing on this politically liberal thing. So I wrote
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: this book anonymously, and there was a teacher at the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: school who caught wind of it and fucking stalked me,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: found it and then exposed me to the principle. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: they had like a fucking witch trial, where like they
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: all like pulled me into this office. I was in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: my mid twenties and they were like, it was this
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: whole fucking thing, and I was living a double life
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: similar to the writer. So I feel for the writer,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not an easy thing to.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Do well, and I think as teachers or professors that
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: is probably more common than we think. Like I'm thinking
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: back to going to a Baptist college and being in
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the psychology department. I definitely looked at at least two
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: specific professors and I look back and I'm like, were
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: they Christian? Like, yeah, I think they were. It was
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: in Arkansas. So you're like, even if you're not hardcore
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Christian teaching at a Christian school, you're still gonna have
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: some You're gonna be like socially Christian, I don't know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: like some level. Yeah, you have to present a certain way.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Otherwise you're just out cast.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Like you require you to go to chapel, you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like going to the service.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: That was once a week you have to go as
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: a student. So yeah, if your professors aren't there, aren't
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: going or rejecting some of that, then that's a big
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: freaking deal. So yeah, I do remember wondering that they
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: could never say, oh I'm not a Christian. That would
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: never come out of their mouths. But you're definitely like
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: are you or are you Like I don't know, yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it gets really tricky, Like I remember in
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that school, I taught a variety of subjects, but like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I was comfortable with evolution, but the school policy was
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: evolution is a lie created by the liberal agenda to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: deceive you that there is no God. Yeah, And like
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I was very comfortable with the concept of religion bother
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: my faith. It didn't you know, worry me at all.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes like the church, the churchy school would
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: do these excessive religious things, Like there was a time
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: when there was a girl in the school that was
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: gay and it came out that she was gay, and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: they exposed her in the chapel and like did a
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: whole like like focus on this kid and shame this kid,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: pray it out of her, and full out the demon possession.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And that was fucking weird because I like it, We're
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: in the modern goddamn era. I'm an adult, this is
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a child. I don't think we can do this, Like
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like legally, this is not okay for y'all
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: to do. And so there were definitely these pinch points.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I just like to reiterate that we think a doctrination
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is bad. Yeah, yeah, except for some things that we
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: don't mind. At doctrination. It was weird so I late
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to the writer because I remember feeling like.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Man, what'd you do so or did they kick you out?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Well that way, Ultimately I was fired, obvious. Yeah, Ultimately
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I was fired. And it's interesting because one of the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: longtime supporters of our show is a student of mine
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: from back in that day, and he's great. He actually
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: became a pastor and like he's out there doing ministry
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and like, you know, he he always was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: really great with me and stuff, and I was always
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: really delicate to be like, hey, look, I'm not here
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to persuade you one way or the other. But you know,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I like he was one of the fuse, just taking off. Yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that's right. That invited me to be authentic and I was,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you know, somewhat authentic with it. So shout out to you, Brady,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: you're a good guy. But yeah, I mean it. So
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: ultimately time went on and I was ultimately fired, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: it was because I had voted for Obama and so
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it had come out that I had voted for Obama
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and uh, and it was really tough because they were
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like out there banging the drums about Obama being the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: anti Christ and like, you know, blah, blah blah, and it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Was tough because we were a majority. And it turns
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: out he was. It turns out he was, Yeah, the
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: world did end. The rapture is on your face. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: was left behind and so now I'm with you.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Assholes didn't read.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: My revelation correctly. So no, I ultimately was let go.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And so writer, you know, I really feel for you
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: because that double life is exhausting tiptoeing around it, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like I feel, I felt a lot like the writer did.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I was not antagonistic to most of what the school
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was teaching. They were teaching prayer and worship and goodness,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and I was like great, and they were like, let's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: go serve in a soup kitchen and let's witness to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: people by being kind. And I was like, yeah, let's go,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: like let's do good work, Like this is great. Do
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you think do both of you think that this job
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: for the writer?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I'm getting a political phone call right now, apparently answered
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it might be Trump. Uh don Jacob, I need you. Yeah,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: your bot counts big leg. But do you think that
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: this job is sustainable for the writer long term?
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: It wasn't for me, and it was tough because I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: needed the money. Yeah, and you know, I needed that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: importantly in my life, and I stayed and I was
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: also I liked it and I was good with the kids,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and I had a role in the community, and I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: was you know, it was it was good, but it
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: was really tough because long term, I mean, it was
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: unsustainable because I was dispat Yeah, if they would have
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I would have that would have been great. You know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Then that of course, if it gets to dress up,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that's half of the battle exactly. So for me, it
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't sustainable. And so it's hard to give that advice writer,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: because I did live under the radar. I did live
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: double lives. That the church required that we all attended church,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: but they did not require which church. So I was
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: able to just go to my own little typical church
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that was near my community and we were cool, so
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't have some of those conflicts. It is so
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: weird that the writer's wife is converting to Catholics a lot,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and the writer is a sponsors, like the mentor into
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the church. That's awesome, I.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Know, I don't am I the only one confused?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I only one that would use it to make my
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: wife have sex with me because I feel like that's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the obvious move, right, there's a lot you don't understand
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: about Catholicism. Let me teach it to you in bed.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's part. I mean, obviously, you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: twist scripture to seduce your wife.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: You can't spell Catholicism without the d Wait, yeah, I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: would be her deacon.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah that's I don't know how long
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: you can go doing that. Yeah, you're not your authentic self.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Well, the writer talks about this idea of like fake
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: it till you make it, but saying like, look it
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: hurts to fake it. That's not what he wants to do.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But I can appreciate the writer saying I'm cool with
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: compartmentalizing it in that I don't need to get out
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: there and express my authentic self, right, And I don't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: mind going with the crowd if it's like, hey, we're
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: all going to pray now, great, that's fine, Hey we're
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: all going to go attend this church. And and to me,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I think if I were an atheist, I feel like
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I would do better attending Catholic church versus another type
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of church, because it's so ritualized that it's just like
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: we're doing these motions.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I've gone to a couple of Catholic and Episcopal, but
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like kind of leaning Catholic Episcopal high church services. Yeah, uh,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: funerals is what I've been to in the last uh,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you know, number.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Of years, and it doesn't bother me at all. So
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: because it's pretty ritualized, it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Just feels like like, I guess I've only been to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: those I haven't been to like a fire and brimstone
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: type church service. Catholic, didn't you No, I grew up
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: in a Methodist church. Oh Methodist, a lot of Catholics around. Okay,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: so you were Louisiana and we're raised in the High Church.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Rich, No, not at all.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Our church was very easy going and easy to get.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It was get along type of type of thing. See
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and you you are, which is not the case anymore.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: In the atheist podcasting community.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You are a member and in good standing, you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: like yeah, comedy podcast that is, you know, out there
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: about it. But what's interesting is I feel like you
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: could absolutely co exist in a world that was like
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: like a I think church once called you to talk
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: about like audio engineering, yeah, and you were like that's fine,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I don't care whatever. I didn't do it because they
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: didn't want to they didn't want to pay very much. Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: which is the one thing that Jacob Smith will not
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: stand for. Yeah. I don't care what religion as long
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: as your money's green.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And they were like, well, you know, we're a church,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: so mo these people kind of volunteer. I was like, yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: not not me.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: You called the wrong number. Yeah, I'm not the volunteering business. Yeah,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: but no, like, uh yeah, I mean I've been to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a few of those. Maybe it isn't just because it's
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so ritualized.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I thinks are said and in
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: your church services and everything, and I kind of go like, well,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't buy that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think that's kind of silly whatever,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: like whatever it is that I think about it.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, I keep that ship to myself. I'm
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: not I'm not there to be rude. So you could
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: probably get along for a while. You could probably just compartmentalize.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know about all this though. Yeah, this is
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a lot like religion. That's I don't know how.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: You teach religion if you don't believe in the religion,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: teach like the history of a religion, but teaching like
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: active religion.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: So I ended up teaching the religion class. Yeah, which
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was you know, obviously it was in a very different position.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But I didn't mind it because I was able to.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I was able to, like academically teach it. I didn't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: mind saying, right, this is what Pentecostals believe, this is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: what Catholics believe, this is what Methodists believe. Because I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: was just explain, you can teach from that angle, right,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. It sounds to me like that's
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: not the angle that the writer is coming in.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: There's a little extra until at the bottom I was
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: reading through it, okay, and it looks like they writer
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: said that they're learning how to teach things like music
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: or gym or health that are outside of like core subjects. Oh,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: to maybe avoid I think a lot of religion that
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: would be great. That's one thing. They also said that
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: there's like a long commute and things like that, so.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of challenges with the job. Yeah, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it sounds like the wife is also an educator and
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: is drawn to the Catholic school system. In this case,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: wherever this person lives, it might even not be America. Yeah,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: it sounds like because they have more resources, like it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: better finance, it's a better program for education table. Yeah yeah,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I mean that was the case. That's the case where
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I was growing up.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as I mean, the Catholic schools had a lot
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: more money than the public.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Schools, which is vegacy too. The private Catholic schools are
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the big you know, name brands. Oh yeah, they're national headlines.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: They have tons of money. Yeah. So and if you're
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: really and that's part of it, is like if you're
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: part of the Catholic Church, you get a more likely
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: position in that school, right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my opinion is why not still look
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit at other job opportunities. Probably there won't
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: be any. You know, teaching sucks kind of right now,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: is what I hear. Yeah, but just keep your head
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: on the swivel. Still see if there's anything else that
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: jumps out at you.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: As far as you're kind of your own sanity with
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it goes, I mean, I guess you'll be as true
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: to yourself as you can be. Yeah, if it won't
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: cost you your job, you know, talk to your your superiors.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I assume there's a priest or a nun or something
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: like that. That's that's running things. Uh.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: And again, if it won't cost you your job, maybe
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: speak with them about some of these concerns that you're having.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, coming from the viewpoint of you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'm dedicating I like.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Teaching here, I'm dedicated to the to the children here. Uh.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not I'm not trying to cause trouble here,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: but I am having a hard time doing this part
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: of my job. And you know, you feel like you
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: may feel like that will just cost you your job well,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: and so you might not be able to have that conversation.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about. And it seems like the obvious one.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Oh what embrace the faith?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I knew, just be Catholic?
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: How long until that happens? Like that's how it works.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: You're just like, yeah, trickled in.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Just go just do it. Worst case you go to heaven.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: You just walk in one day like chewing on a finger.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And when somebody's like, what are you doing?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Do you understand? I did not understand how there's so
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: many questions about this.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure I thought this was going
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: to change into brand at some point, I think you
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: just go in the win. You take the Catholicism classes,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: you fully convert into the church, you drink the wine,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you eat the host, and then you know what, you
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: do the sacraments, you do the last confessions.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: You get all that ship out, which is good for you,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: right to release, get that ship out, do your Hell Mary's,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: do your our fathers, pray the little beads, and then yeah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like, you get a great job, good benefits,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: better relationship with your wife, happy students. Maybe you go
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to heaven. Maybe it's a crock of shit, but you
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: know what, you had a better deal here on earth too.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, if religions are offering to pay you
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to hang out with them, I think there's a strong
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: argument to just embrace the ship. If you don't believe
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in it anyway, fuck them, just yeah, believe it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know something, you guys, I'm on the high ground.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: That just sounds weird. Castles wagering this ship. That's fine.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's an option. You're right, it is an option.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But there's a price. What is your price to convert?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what if there's if there
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: was money on the line did in name only. I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: just have to show up. You have to participate. You
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: have to do this religion actively and appear to be
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a member of it. Figure out an hourly rate. What
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you what you can, what you believe in your heart
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: is not my business, all right, all right, But you're
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: drinking the fucking wine, you're eating the host you're doing.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: You could go to the church luncheon and everything. Yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and participate in the pot luck, you know, bring the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: things you like to make. I do like a good
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: church pot luck. There's nothing wrong with a church pot
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: luck or a fish fry. Yeah. Ah man, that's one
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: thing about it does not happen. Well.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: That brings up another fact that a lot of people
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: that are not involved in any type of like collective religion,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: they feel like they are missing out on community. Yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: and I think the writer shares that a little bit too.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Like teachers end up being friends with other teachers. So
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: you're already involved with all those people anyway, So it
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: feels like why not convert or you know, already headed
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: down that path.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing that worked for me writer was that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I was able to say, look, I'm part of the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: same general branch of Christianity, like I'm in the Protestant wing,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: but here's my suburb, and they were tolerant of that,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and then I didn't have to live in authentically. And
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a way to find within the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: broader branches of Catholicism a zone that sort of like
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: we like good works, we're doing nice things, we like tradition,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: but we're open minded to like the finality of the theology.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll find something like that, like as a place
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: you can park and say, I kind of identify as
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: this flavor of Catholic. Hopefully maybe maybe that's an offer.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Do some research find that flavor her.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Hopefully something we said helped.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: That's a tough one.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: It is a tough one, writer. I mean, living a
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: double life is always going to be a question of sustainability.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be able to
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: do it forever. If it gets you mentioned in the
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: extra information that the anxiety is kind of creeping up,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that you're talking to a therapist about it, I really
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: want you to lean in on that work. I mean
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that is huge for you because if you realize this
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: is starting to you know, cut away from my mental
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: health I'm struggling now. Then there is no price, right,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: there is no amount of correctness in your life. That's
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: with your mental health. There's still a price that well,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: there's always a price again. You know that. Jesus said this,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: He said, what good is it to gain the whole
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: world and lose your soul? The answer is you gain
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the whole world. You said it right there, that's something.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: The price was in the titles, not nothing. There's a
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: number there. There is a number.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: So all the tea in China also writer, if you
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: have the chance to become a cardinal, oh yeah.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: You should do that gig.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just got back from Rome.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And be a cardinal. If they're like, hey, you want
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: this red robe, like yep, I sure, stay.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: In the lane. Maybe one day you get you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: your pope.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, totally tractors.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: You want to see ship. If they made me president
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of the Republicans, I could do some good in the world,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you know, even if I was like lying about being
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: a Republican the whole time, Like, I could probably make
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: some good changes. So run for Pope. Yeah, there you go.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and then we're going
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: to end the show. This is an abbreviated show. We're
• 55:45
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• 55:51
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• 56:05
  Speaker 1: questions that we won't get these are the ones that
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: are Jacob, Okay, here we go. So you Whitney would
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: get first DIBs to answer first. If you go blind,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you get to which type of whiskey must, by law
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: be made in Tennessee and go through a special charcoal
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: filtering process known as the Lincoln County Process.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I know this? Is it not just tennis?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go that's your final answer. I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: believe that is your final answer. Jacob, what is do
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: you want to go blind? Or doing options? I think
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it's just Tennessee mash whiskey. The correct answer is Tennessee whiskey.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: All right. The fact that you just landed on it,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: it is like, yeah, no, you're done. Let me pull.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: We're stopping right there, giving legal Tennessee whiskeys either.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Wow, Well that might be another question.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: What are they Jack Daniels is the one that you've
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: heard of.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: There are a few others. Question number two, which type
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: of whiskey is known for having a distinct smoky flavor,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: often achieved by drying malted barley over peat fires.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, is this just Scotch? Scotch's correct? Shit?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I am so impressed with you. Like I was legitimately
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: impressed with Jacob, I'm more impressed with this. I don't
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: know any of the ship. This is very impressive.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Number three, let's see when you can just go for it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Which American whiskey must contain at least fifty one percent
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: corn in its mash? Bill be aged in new charred
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: oak barrels, and can be produced anywhere in the United States.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: You can take options if you want.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll do options.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go blind, Jacob, or do you
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: want op? I think I want option. I think I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: know it, but I will go options. A gentleman. He's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: just been said, thank you. Your options are Rye whiskey,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Tennessee whiskey, bourbon, or Canadian whiskey.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: We repeat the question, yes, which.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: American whiskey must contain fifty one percent corn and be
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: aged in charred oak barrels, but may be produced anywhere
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in the US. Rye, Tennessee bourbon or Canadian Canadian should
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: be off your list.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I'm Canadian.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Whiskey I don't believe can be produced anywhere in the US, and.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Also can be produced anywhere in the US. Probably eliminates
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Tennessee whiskey, which an earlier question referenced must.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Be made between Ryan Bourbon. But I'm like ry wasn't
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: mentioned in there, so I guess Bourbon.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: She goes with Bourbon. What's it going to be, Jacob,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I can go with According to Chad Gpt, Bourbon was
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the correct bourbon has to be made in the Bourbon region.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, it says Bourbon.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: A good point.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: An Ai, I am a mistake.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: You're Shenanigans because I don't think all that other stuff
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: has to do with Rye whiskey.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: But it's that's the only one of the lists that
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: can be produced.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Any Bourbon county or whatever. The Bourbon Okay.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Well you know what, I well decide they make what
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: they what they do now is they do the same
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: thing that Champagne does and make it all over.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: The place, but like Bourbon, it's the Bourbon region.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, outside of Kentucky.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Interesting, I mean you can make the same stuff, says.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Bourbon can be made outside of Kentucky.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're doing a Champagne. Yeah, because before it'd be
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: like Champagne is the only one from Champagne exactly the.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Region of sparkling Pagne.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with that though.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: All right. Good So then, because I was a little
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: confused about the Rye thing, I.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Know, I was like, but ry wasn't mentioned anywhere, so
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: by default.
• 59:50
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  Speaker 4: That's all the time we got for this week's session.
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  Speaker 4: What If They Are Landlords? Matt Maddingway's Ice Group social podcast.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pissed off at how much fell apart without Nick.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want that to be true. I want him
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, hold things together a little better than I did
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  Speaker 1: America. Goodbye, everybody go fuck yourself. I'm this is Nick Tangman.