Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 694: Foundations - How To Make Better Shots On Deer
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
- 0:09Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about how to
- 0:28Speaker 2: actually make good shots on white tails and not just
- 0:31Speaker 2: how to be more accurate with your bow, because there's
- 0:33Speaker 2: a difference. The reason that there are so many folks
- 0:43Speaker 2: out there making YouTube tutorials on how to be a
- 0:46Speaker 2: better archer is because they are like definitive answers to
- 0:50Speaker 2: many of our common problems. Addressing shooting form, using the
- 0:54Speaker 2: right accessories, tuning your bow, you know, on and on.
- 0:58Speaker 2: It's good stuff, not knocking it. After all, if you
- 1:02Speaker 2: can't shoot well on the range, you sure as hell
- 1:04Speaker 2: won't be able to consistently shoot well on deer. This,
- 1:07Speaker 2: as you probably know, is pretty important and it just
- 1:10Speaker 2: so happens to be the topic of this episode. If
- 1:20Speaker 2: you train retrievers or really any kind of dog, you
- 1:24Speaker 2: start to understand false positives. Some people think a false
- 1:28Speaker 2: positive is a dog that looks real birdie only to
- 1:31Speaker 2: flush I don't know, a rabbit or a skunk or something.
- 1:34Speaker 2: Pointing dogs are prone to false positives too. Inexperienced pointers
- 1:38Speaker 2: will lock up in a beautiful tripod point where a
- 1:41Speaker 2: rooster was I don't know, ten minutes ago, or with
- 1:44Speaker 2: some other critter in the grass that's definitely not a pheasant,
- 1:47Speaker 2: a grouse, or whatever you're after. False positives in the
- 1:50Speaker 2: dog world they come in many forms, and they are
- 1:53Speaker 2: the enemy of the amateur trainer. They convince us that
- 1:57Speaker 2: we have gotten our dogs to a point where they
- 1:59Speaker 2: are real good and well. Most of the work's done.
- 2:02Speaker 2: You can pat yourself on the back, break up your
- 2:05Speaker 2: hound at the local touny bar, and get ready to
- 2:07Speaker 2: kill a limit of ring necks or green heads or whatever.
- 2:10Speaker 2: Putting the cart before the old horse is a no
- 2:13Speaker 2: bueno situation, though, and it often happens with people who
- 2:16Speaker 2: train in the same environment over and over. The dog
- 2:20Speaker 2: that will heal perfectly and sit perfectly still until he
- 2:23Speaker 2: send him while you're working in the neighborhood soccer field.
- 2:26Speaker 2: That's great, but will you get that same behavior while
- 2:30Speaker 2: you're hunting. It's kind of like, I don't know, working
- 2:33Speaker 2: out or walking with a pack on your back when
- 2:35Speaker 2: you live at eight hundred feet above sea level and
- 2:38Speaker 2: assuming that's going to be good enough to get you
- 2:40Speaker 2: into the mountains and hunt an elk like a rock
- 2:41Speaker 2: star doesn't work very well. Sometimes it's better than nothing. Anyway,
- 2:47Speaker 2: back to dogs, how about if you're working on a
- 2:50Speaker 2: hunt dead scenario or a fine the bone antler scenario
- 2:54Speaker 2: in the knee high grass. If you've been there and
- 2:56Speaker 2: you've trained dozens of times, it's probably pretty consistent that
- 3:00Speaker 2: if you point one way or the other, your dog
- 3:03Speaker 2: will read your hand signals and switch directions till he
- 3:05Speaker 2: finds the price. Now, take these same dogs in an
- 3:08Speaker 2: actual hunt, and the wheels will fall off pretty quickly,
- 3:11Speaker 2: at least a lot of times they do. This is
- 3:14Speaker 2: why so many folks, mostly men, lose their ever loving
- 3:17Speaker 2: minds on the first couple of hunts of the season,
- 3:20Speaker 2: especially if you have a few smirking buddies hunting with them.
- 3:23Speaker 2: It's embarrassing to break up a dog only to watch
- 3:26Speaker 2: them totally delaminate in the field. It's also extremely common
- 3:32Speaker 2: I honestly don't know if there has ever been a
- 3:34Speaker 2: single bird dog that advanced to a high level of
- 3:37Speaker 2: training in low key environments that also brought that same
- 3:40Speaker 2: level of excellence right to the field during a hunt.
- 3:43Speaker 2: I think it's possible, honestly, at least not right away.
- 3:46Speaker 2: You know, older seasoned dogs can you know, they can
- 3:49Speaker 2: get pretty damn close. But the seasoned part is the
- 3:52Speaker 2: one that's important there. And while plenty of retrievers and
- 3:55Speaker 2: pointers are likely to get older, not all of them
- 3:57Speaker 2: get seasoned real well. Takes time in the field hunting
- 4:02Speaker 2: for a dog to learn what you want out of him.
- 4:04Speaker 2: While you're out in the field hunting. There's no shortcuts there,
- 4:09Speaker 2: and you can train and train and even overtrain, but
- 4:12Speaker 2: there's on the job experience, and that's just that. You
- 4:17Speaker 2: know what else is like this pickleball? Just kidding, it's golf,
- 4:22Speaker 2: just kidding, it's bow hunting white tails. You can shoot
- 4:25Speaker 2: foam until you're an Olympic level shooter, but that's only
- 4:28Speaker 2: going to take you so far in the field. You
- 4:31Speaker 2: know a lot of the conventional advice here and have
- 4:33Speaker 2: probably heard me go on and on about some of it.
- 4:37Speaker 2: I think you should practice in some ways that will
- 4:38Speaker 2: help you be a better shot, like using three D targets,
- 4:42Speaker 2: you know, shooting from your deck or a tree stand
- 4:44Speaker 2: set up just for that purpose. I think you should
- 4:47Speaker 2: practice in low light, and that you should shoot at
- 4:49Speaker 2: odd yardages with limited arrows. You should make every shot
- 4:53Speaker 2: count and treat every shot like you don't get a mulligan,
- 4:57Speaker 2: because in the wild you probably won't. And that's a
- 5:00Speaker 2: good start, But there's more to be done now. I've
- 5:03Speaker 2: told you guys a few stories about some of my
- 5:05Speaker 2: most embarrassing misses and the years I struggled with real
- 5:08Speaker 2: buck fever, But I don't think you can quite understand
- 5:11Speaker 2: how bad I used to fall apart. It was like
- 5:14Speaker 2: having a disease that caused me to black out, lose
- 5:17Speaker 2: my mind, and always or nearly always shoot over the
- 5:20Speaker 2: back of the deer that I so desperately wanted. It
- 5:23Speaker 2: got so bad I felt like quitting many many times.
- 5:28Speaker 2: I didn't know a way out, and I didn't really
- 5:29Speaker 2: understand the process of getting over my buck fever and
- 5:32Speaker 2: learning to be a good shot on animals. In fact,
- 5:36Speaker 2: I still don't know for sure how to do it completely.
- 5:39Speaker 2: I kind of think you can't, but you can be
- 5:42Speaker 2: better than a quivering mass of total dipshit who couldn't
- 5:45Speaker 2: hit a buck in the lungs with twelve quivers full
- 5:47Speaker 2: of arrows and unlimited time. Now, I think this is
- 5:50Speaker 2: going to sound kind of dumb, but I want you
- 5:52Speaker 2: to hear me out. The first step is visualization. I know,
- 5:58Speaker 2: I know it sounds like some you know, Kenyon's hippie
- 6:01Speaker 2: dippy mustache laiden bs, but the truth is it works,
- 6:06Speaker 2: or it can work, and for me it works this way.
- 6:10Speaker 2: I think about shooting deer a lot. And if you
- 6:13Speaker 2: don't believe that, talk to my wife when I'm driving
- 6:16Speaker 2: and she's telling me something that I absolutely am not
- 6:19Speaker 2: really taking in and definitely won't retain, or you know,
- 6:22Speaker 2: when strangers talk to me. A lot of times I
- 6:25Speaker 2: get to daydreaming. You know, maybe it's a touch of
- 6:27Speaker 2: ADHD or whatever, but I start thinking about shooting deer,
- 6:31Speaker 2: and I start thinking about shooting them out of very
- 6:33Speaker 2: specific setups, like when I get into my stand. I
- 6:37Speaker 2: also always, always always draw my bow a few times
- 6:41Speaker 2: and aim at stuff. Now, not deer. You know this
- 6:45Speaker 2: is going to be leaves or whatever, But it's the
- 6:47Speaker 2: process of thinking through and visualizing your shot. You don't
- 6:50Speaker 2: have to do this just when your wife's talking to you.
- 6:52Speaker 2: You should do it in your stands as well. I
- 6:55Speaker 2: do it when I'm in a groundb line or a
- 6:56Speaker 2: tree stand or hanging in a saddle. I draw an
- 6:59Speaker 2: aim at random, I am at whatever, and I think
- 7:02Speaker 2: about how easy it would be to make a shot
- 7:04Speaker 2: on a deer if a deer was standing there. If
- 7:08Speaker 2: you don't do this, start, I'm totally serious. If you
- 7:12Speaker 2: get into a ground blind and you don't draw your
- 7:14Speaker 2: bow and aim out the window a few times, you're
- 7:17Speaker 2: far more likely to screw up a shot. If you
- 7:19Speaker 2: get saddled up and you don't practice drawing and aiming
- 7:22Speaker 2: around both sides of the tree or behind you, you're
- 7:25Speaker 2: setting yourself up to make a mistake. You do not
- 7:27Speaker 2: want the first time you draw at a weird angle
- 7:30Speaker 2: to be the time there's one hundred and thirty five
- 7:31Speaker 2: inch ten pointers standing there. Imagine the buck on that
- 7:35Speaker 2: trail and watch how your pin floats across that yellow
- 7:39Speaker 2: leaf you're aiming at, or that bare patch dirt or whatever.
- 7:43Speaker 2: Do this. If you're hunting an evening, do this as
- 7:46Speaker 2: soon as you settle in and then maybe once or
- 7:48Speaker 2: twice more before primetime. If you're hunting mornings, wait until
- 7:53Speaker 2: first light, do a good perimeter check to make sure
- 7:56Speaker 2: you don't have any deer closing in. Then do this.
- 7:59Speaker 2: Do it later in the morning too, when you start
- 8:01Speaker 2: to get sleepy and you start to think about packing
- 8:03Speaker 2: the whole thing up. Do this in hot weather and
- 8:07Speaker 2: cold weather, and even if you've made seventeen perfect double
- 8:10Speaker 2: lung shots in a row, it's just a good exercise,
- 8:14Speaker 2: but it serves another purpose. It tells you how shooting
- 8:17Speaker 2: out of your specific setup is kind of gonna go.
- 8:20Speaker 2: This is something a lot of us don't appreciate until
- 8:23Speaker 2: it's too late and we're smack dab in the middle
- 8:25Speaker 2: of an encounter. Take a groundb line, for example. You
- 8:29Speaker 2: set up a pop up on the edge of an
- 8:31Speaker 2: alfalfa field. You arrange the far woodline, and it's forty yards.
- 8:36Speaker 2: You know there are several trails that lead into the field,
- 8:38Speaker 2: and you could draw your bow, aim a little and
- 8:41Speaker 2: you're just gonna be good to go. You start to
- 8:44Speaker 2: daydream about a big one coming in and you think
- 8:46Speaker 2: he's going to walk right into the middle of the
- 8:48Speaker 2: field and pose up at twenty yards, but he doesn't.
- 8:51Speaker 2: He stays on the far wood edge, at the boundary
- 8:53Speaker 2: between where you can shoot where you can't because of
- 8:56Speaker 2: how your chair is positioned and how the shooting port
- 8:59Speaker 2: is situated. This is the kind of thing that causes
- 9:02Speaker 2: real panic, and real panic is the kind of thing
- 9:04Speaker 2: that causes us to make bad shots. Knowing how far
- 9:07Speaker 2: you can swing your bow one way or the other
- 9:09Speaker 2: to really shoot and what you'll do if he doesn't
- 9:12Speaker 2: follow the script is important. It's something you should think
- 9:16Speaker 2: about when you have the luxury of thinking about it
- 9:18Speaker 2: on your own time, and not when it's suddenly very
- 9:21Speaker 2: important because he's walking through the same goes for tree
- 9:25Speaker 2: stands and saddles. Do you know where you can draw
- 9:28Speaker 2: and aim and take a shot from the ladder stand
- 9:30Speaker 2: your dad's set up for you seven years ago, when
- 9:33Speaker 2: you're hanging and hunting out of a saddle and thinking
- 9:35Speaker 2: about where you can shoot and what trail he's likely
- 9:37Speaker 2: to come down? Do you know where your real shooting
- 9:40Speaker 2: windows are and how easy it'll be for you to
- 9:43Speaker 2: aim through them. The more you think about this stuff
- 9:47Speaker 2: without a deer there, the easier it is to make
- 9:49Speaker 2: a shot work. When a deer is there. I know
- 9:52Speaker 2: this sounds like overkill, but it's not. You want to
- 9:56Speaker 2: know how things are going to go before they get going.
- 9:59Speaker 2: A little dress rehearsal if you will. The same goes
- 10:02Speaker 2: for shot distance. When you get on stand. Do you
- 10:06Speaker 2: range several markers so you know how many yards he
- 10:08Speaker 2: will be if he stops at the yellow patch of
- 10:10Speaker 2: beans in the field. What if he takes the farther
- 10:13Speaker 2: trail around your pinch point? Stan? Are you going to
- 10:16Speaker 2: wait until he's there to range him and then suffer
- 10:19Speaker 2: the possibility that the extra movement and that extra time
- 10:22Speaker 2: will cause you to miss out on a shot opportunity.
- 10:25Speaker 2: If you can do something beneficial before he gets there,
- 10:29Speaker 2: you should do it. I'd also recommend drawing metaphorical lines
- 10:43Speaker 2: in the sand when you get into your setup. As
- 10:45Speaker 2: far as shot distances go. If I'm on a bean field,
- 10:48Speaker 2: for example, I'll range the rose until I know what's
- 10:50Speaker 2: forty yards out. That for me is the farthest I'm
- 10:54Speaker 2: going to shoot at a white tail in perfect conditions.
- 10:56Speaker 2: And if it's not perfect conditions because the light is
- 10:58Speaker 2: fading or it's raining or whatever, that range is going
- 11:01Speaker 2: to get reduced. I figure this out as soon as
- 11:04Speaker 2: I can, so I don't have to hamm an awe
- 11:06Speaker 2: during the moment of truth. This stuff helps you make
- 11:09Speaker 2: better shots on deer, but so will something else. Watching deer,
- 11:14Speaker 2: and I don't mean just seeing deer and taking a
- 11:16Speaker 2: video of them walking by so you can post it
- 11:18Speaker 2: on Instagram. I mean watching them and paying attention to
- 11:21Speaker 2: what they do and when and how you'd shoot them
- 11:24Speaker 2: at various times during your encounter. I do this on
- 11:27Speaker 2: pretty much every deer that gets into range. I don't
- 11:30Speaker 2: drawn aim at deer. I don't want to shoot, and
- 11:32Speaker 2: I don't recommend that because if you have a big
- 11:35Speaker 2: old brain fart trip that trigger, which is a possibility,
- 11:38Speaker 2: you could have one hell of a oopsie on your hands.
- 11:41Speaker 2: But watching deer and how they browse and how their
- 11:43Speaker 2: body positioning can change, just from how they look back
- 11:46Speaker 2: down the trail, or when they scratch their nose with
- 11:49Speaker 2: a back hoof, or when they stretch their necks out
- 11:51Speaker 2: to sniff a certain leaf. That's the stuff that will
- 11:54Speaker 2: give you more confidence in choosing the right aiming point.
- 11:57Speaker 2: You can damn near predict the future when you want enough.
- 12:01Speaker 2: So even when we use three D targets to practice.
- 12:04Speaker 2: We often think of real white tails kind of as
- 12:07Speaker 2: a two D thing. We think of them from the broadside,
- 12:11Speaker 2: and we know where the guts are, and we know
- 12:12Speaker 2: where the liver is and the heart and the lungs,
- 12:15Speaker 2: but we almost never shoot it here that's perfectly broadside
- 12:18Speaker 2: while we were on the ground with them. We almost
- 12:20Speaker 2: always have to deal with a couple of different angles,
- 12:22Speaker 2: whether they are quartered to us or a little bit
- 12:25Speaker 2: away from us, whether we are ten feet above them
- 12:27Speaker 2: or thirty feet above them. A deer walking down a
- 12:30Speaker 2: hill by your stand is probably not a shot that
- 12:33Speaker 2: you ever ever practice at the range. A deer that's
- 12:37Speaker 2: really close, say four yards in the base of your tree,
- 12:40Speaker 2: is another shot you probably never practice, maybe shouldn't take.
- 12:44Speaker 2: But it all depends on so many things. Can you
- 12:47Speaker 2: get your arrow into both lungs? How likely is it?
- 12:50Speaker 2: How likely is it that you'll get into both lungs
- 12:52Speaker 2: on a giant buck like that? If you've never once
- 12:55Speaker 2: thought about taking that shot, or visualized it, or watched
- 12:59Speaker 2: a four key do this same thing and actually studied
- 13:01Speaker 2: his movements and picked out the best aiming points every
- 13:05Speaker 2: seconds he made his way through, I really think Watching
- 13:08Speaker 2: deer and learning about their movements is an education that
- 13:11Speaker 2: is worth so much to all of us hunters. This
- 13:14Speaker 2: allows us to take better shots, partially because it allows us,
- 13:17Speaker 2: you know, like I said, to predict the future. Just
- 13:20Speaker 2: like in dog training, where there are certain behaviors that
- 13:22Speaker 2: are just going to show at certain times, deer are
- 13:25Speaker 2: very very likely to do certain things at certain times.
- 13:29Speaker 2: I'll give you an easy example. If a buck walks
- 13:32Speaker 2: in and he's totally relaxed, but then he stops to
- 13:35Speaker 2: focus on something and he stares for like thirty seconds,
- 13:38Speaker 2: you might think you're in trouble. Would you feel relief
- 13:42Speaker 2: if you watched him shake his tail a couple times
- 13:44Speaker 2: real fast? You should, because that means he's probably gonna
- 13:48Speaker 2: drop his head and start walking, just like every other
- 13:51Speaker 2: deer who has done the same thing. If you watch
- 13:54Speaker 2: deer enough, you start to learn those types of behaviors
- 13:57Speaker 2: and understand when your best shot opportunity is about to happen.
- 14:01Speaker 2: That's so important to making good shots in the field
- 14:03Speaker 2: when it counts the most. Think about it this way too.
- 14:08Speaker 2: Most of the time, when deer come in and they're relaxed,
- 14:10Speaker 2: they're moving pretty slow. They sniff here they step there,
- 14:15Speaker 2: They almost forecast their movements, and that gives you a
- 14:19Speaker 2: really good chance to draw when you need to and
- 14:22Speaker 2: anticipate right where you should be aiming. All this stuff
- 14:28Speaker 2: requires patients, and it actually helps you to become more patient,
- 14:32Speaker 2: which is the antidote to rushing shots, which is the
- 14:35Speaker 2: one thing that causes us to make bad shots more
- 14:37Speaker 2: than anything else. Let me give you another example. You
- 14:41Speaker 2: guys know I like to hunt rivers, I like to
- 14:42Speaker 2: hunt water. Well. One river I like to hunt is
- 14:46Speaker 2: in North Dakota and has steep banks. The deer almost
- 14:49Speaker 2: always approach it at a walk and then they descend
- 14:52Speaker 2: right down to the water and drink. This usually happens
- 14:55Speaker 2: without a whole lot of stopping. Then they cross the
- 14:57Speaker 2: river and they have to ascend the other bank. When
- 15:00Speaker 2: they do, they almost always always stop to survey their surroundings.
- 15:05Speaker 2: They've probably dealt with enough coyotes and lions there to
- 15:08Speaker 2: know that the safe side of the river they just
- 15:10Speaker 2: left is a memory, and it's time to figure out
- 15:13Speaker 2: if there is danger waiting for them on the new side.
- 15:15Speaker 2: It's pretty simple prey behavior. But if you're up in
- 15:18Speaker 2: a tree there and they pop up, that bank. It
- 15:22Speaker 2: often seems like they are onto something because they seem
- 15:24Speaker 2: just a little bit edgy, like maybe they caught just
- 15:26Speaker 2: a slight whiff of you and they're considering leaving. But
- 15:29Speaker 2: they mostly didn't and they mostly aren't. But if you
- 15:33Speaker 2: believe that you know that they might be on their
- 15:35Speaker 2: way out, you're gonna rush a shot when you could
- 15:38Speaker 2: have just waited a little bit until they convinced themselves
- 15:40Speaker 2: that the new bank, the new side, is all good,
- 15:44Speaker 2: and then they walk right by totally unaware that you're
- 15:47Speaker 2: about to skewer them. Pay attention to all of the deer,
- 15:51Speaker 2: study them. It's important. And lastly, I have one more
- 15:54Speaker 2: thing for you. If you want to be a stone
- 15:56Speaker 2: cold killer who consistently makes the kind of shots where
- 15:59Speaker 2: you get to witness the light, it's going out, take
- 16:02Speaker 2: shots that you know you can make. I know that
- 16:05Speaker 2: seems dumb, because of course that's what should do, but
- 16:09Speaker 2: a lot of people don't. Just think about it this way.
- 16:12Speaker 2: If you put a deer out in front of you
- 16:13Speaker 2: at fifteen yards a broadside and it's relaxed, how often
- 16:17Speaker 2: are you going to tank that shot? Not very often,
- 16:21Speaker 2: I hope. But now put that same deer quartering away
- 16:24Speaker 2: in a little bit tense at let's say thirty three yards. Sure,
- 16:28Speaker 2: you can make thirty three yard shots all day, but
- 16:31Speaker 2: it's not nearly as much of a foregone conclusion as
- 16:34Speaker 2: that first fifteen yard broadside shot. Knowing your limitations and
- 16:39Speaker 2: being patient enough to wait for a no brainer shot
- 16:42Speaker 2: or good things. It's also really tough to learn either
- 16:46Speaker 2: of those things and implement them in the field. But
- 16:48Speaker 2: we should all be working to be better at shooting deer.
- 16:52Speaker 2: I deal with this every year, and it gives me
- 16:54Speaker 2: so much pride to string together several good shots. You know,
- 16:59Speaker 2: it doesn't always happen, and I doubt it ever will
- 17:02Speaker 2: for me or you or you know someone like John Dudley,
- 17:06Speaker 2: who could probably outshoot most of us if we were
- 17:09Speaker 2: in broad daylight and he had to shoot in a
- 17:11Speaker 2: pitch black cave. He probably still screws up some shots,
- 17:15Speaker 2: you know. So the goal isn't to just become a
- 17:17Speaker 2: badass paper puncher here. It's to become a reliable, consistently
- 17:22Speaker 2: good shot on actual animals. That takes a few things
- 17:26Speaker 2: that you can't just accomplish on the range. Think about
- 17:30Speaker 2: this as your season opens up here. Think about coming
- 17:33Speaker 2: back next week, because I'm going to talk about how
- 17:35Speaker 2: to navigate the quote unquote October lull in real time,
- 17:39Speaker 2: and I'm going to give you an example for that
- 17:42Speaker 2: when I open that show that you're probably not going
- 17:44Speaker 2: to expect. That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
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