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- 0:00.
- 0:01Welcome to the Market Pulse podcast from Equifax,
- 0:05where we break down the latest economic and credit insights to help you navigate
- 0:09today's business landscape.
- 0:14Hello everybody,
- 0:14and welcome to the special edition of the Equifax Market Pulse podcast.
- 0:20I'm Wendy Hannah Olson, senior Vice President,
- 0:22Digital Alliances and Strategy Execution,
- 0:25and I'm delighted to be hosting today's conversation.
- 0:28We have a very bright mind joining us. Joni Baker,
- 0:32a mathematician and senior researcher on the behavioral modeling team of
- 0:37Andrew Davidson and Company. Welcome Joni.
- 0:41Hi. Thank you for having me.
- 0:43Absolutely. Thanks for being here.
- 0:44Today we're going to be diving into a topic that sits the very heart of the
- 0:48American Dream, the mortgage process, and the role of credit reporting.
- 0:52Since the late 1990s, the Trier credit report,
- 0:56which pulls data from all three nationwide consumer credit reporting agencies,
- 1:01including Equifax,
- 1:03briefly known as b Crass or Credit Bureaus,
- 1:07has been the gold standard for determining who gets what loan at what price.
- 1:12But the ground is shifting.
- 1:14There has been much heated debate in the industry.
- 1:18Should we move away from the Trier standard in favor of a single or bar me
- 1:23credit report? A new white paper from Andrew Davidson Company called The
- 1:28Impact of Moving Away from the Tri-merge Standard suggests that this move might
- 1:32come with hidden multi-billion dollar cost.
- 1:36So let's dig in. So Johnny, I'm going to start with the foundation.
- 1:42What was the study that you performed?
- 1:45Okay. Well
- 1:48basically our study examined the credit score differences across
- 1:53the three NCRAs bureaus, Equifax, TransUnion,
- 1:57and Experian. And again, I'm really excited to be here talking about it.
- 2:02I think this was the first time that a study like this was
- 2:07able to be performed on an unbiased uncensored data dataset.
- 2:13And so I'm excited to share the analysis that we did.
- 2:16So first we examined the raw underlying score differences between
- 2:21any two individual NCRA credit scores for the same consumer.
- 2:27So in other words,
- 2:28what does the collection of those differences look like across all possible
- 2:32credit score pairs and all consumers?
- 2:37So we're just looking at those raw differences.
- 2:39And then we considered various metrics that result from choosing or combining
- 2:44consumers scores in different ways representing either a dual or a single
- 2:48credit reporting standard.
- 2:50And we compared that against the current tri-merge standard for GSE mortgages,
- 2:55which is to take the median or the middle value of all three scores.
- 3:00And we did this across different assumptions such as the scores are chosen
- 3:05randomly, or the outlier scores chosen or the maximum scores chosen,
- 3:09and we also subdivided the consumers in different ways to see if these metrics
- 3:14varied for different populations.
- 3:18So I,
- 3:19I kind of like to put this study into context and explain why studying the
- 3:24differences between the bureaus is important. Absolutely.
- 3:27And describe a little more how credit scores are used for mortgage qualification
- 3:31and pricing. I.
- 3:34Welcome that. Thanks.
- 3:35Okay, great. I just think it might help people sort of,
- 3:38especially with some of the things that I suspect, you know,
- 3:42I might want to talk about later on. Yes.
- 3:44but so since 2008 the gse,
- 3:49Fannie and Freddie have used a loan level pricing adjustment table or LLPA
- 3:54table to determine the risk-based fees when a mortgage is
- 3:59originated.
- 4:00And the fees vary for credit scores from six 20,
- 4:04which was the traditional cutoff up through 7 79 in 20
- 4:09point increments.
- 4:10And the fees are also based on the loan to value for the mortgage.
- 4:15And if that loan to value is greater than 80,
- 4:17then the required mortgage insurance or PMI also varies.
- 4:22The cost of that insurance also varies based on credit score and LTV.
- 4:27And meanwhile,
- 4:28six 20 has been the traditional hard cutoff for qualifying for A GSE
- 4:33mortgage.
- 4:33And while they have very recently moved away from a hard cutoff for consumers
- 4:38in that general credit score range, the credit score of course,
- 4:42will be a major deciding factor as to whether they qualify for the loan.
- 4:46So the question is, what credit score is used? And as we've said,
- 4:51it's been the tri-merge standard requirement,
- 4:54pull all three credit reports from all three bureaus,
- 4:58and then for the consumer's representative credit score use the median of those
- 5:02three scores.
- 5:03So the F-H-A-F-H-F-A has previously considered relaxing this
- 5:08requirement to a buy merge.
- 5:10And under that the lender may poll just two reports and use the
- 5:15average of the two scores.
- 5:18More recently it's been suggested that the GSEs could even move to a single
- 5:23report standard,
- 5:25in which case a consumer's scores based on just one of three
- 5:30sets of NCRA data.
- 5:33So basically to understand the ramifications of such a move,
- 5:37it's important to study the score differences between the bureaus and that's
- 5:40what we did.
- 5:42Absolutely.
- 5:43And I know right at the beginning you mentioned a little bit about which data
- 5:48was used, but I'd like to, for the audience reiterate that.
- 5:51So can you explain exactly what data was used in your study?
- 5:55Yeah, sure.
- 5:58We had an anonymized sample of consumers for a
- 6:02snapshot from October,
- 6:042023 that included for each consumer,
- 6:08each of the three individual credit scores based on a, each,
- 6:12each of those scores based on a single set of bureau data.
- 6:17And I should say that for that,
- 6:21for the credit score model we used VantageScore four.
- 6:24Because this model is the same across all three bureaus,
- 6:28there aren't any inconsistencies between the scoring formulas.
- 6:32So what that means is that differences between the CRA's scores
- 6:36generally reflect differences in the underlying data.
- 6:41We also had a flag indicating whether a consumer was
- 6:46low to moderate income,
- 6:47meaning that the household income was below 80% of the median family
- 6:52income in that metro area. And when available,
- 6:57we had another field indicating race or ethnicity information.
- 7:02And I should note that this information is not in a consumer's credit file,
- 7:06but was attached anonymously from a third party.
- 7:10And it's also important again to note like these weren't just
- 7:15consumers already holding GSE backed mortgages or even having a
- 7:21mortgage at all. In fact,
- 7:22we had all consumers below 700 that had credit scores at all three bureaus.
- 7:28And we had a random 10% sample for consumers above 700.
- 7:33So each sampled consumer above 700 represented 10
- 7:37consumers. And accounting for that rescaling.
- 7:41Of those above 700,
- 7:43there were almost 250 million consumers represented in this study
- 7:48dataset study.
- 7:49That is a lot of data, two 50 million. Thank you for that.
- 7:53So can you help us understand how much difference can scores be between the
- 7:58three nras since you had VantageScore four,
- 8:01which we know leverages the full breadth and depth of the three
- 8:07CRAs plus the trended data?
- 8:09So it's additional alternative information within the credit reports.
- 8:15How, how different can the scores actually be between the three NCRAs?
- 8:21Yeah, so that was the very first thing that we looked at.
- 8:22What are the raw score differences between any two given scores for a
- 8:27consumer when those scores are based on data from a single bureau.
- 8:33So just thinking like if you were to choose two reports randomly, you know,
- 8:36how different are those two scores?
- 8:39And what we found was that the two scores were actually identical about
- 8:4342% of the time. So that maybe sounds pretty good.
- 8:49However, 27% of the time, the two scores by at least 10 points,
- 8:5614% of the time,
- 8:56they differed by at least 20 points and 9% of the time they differed by
- 9:01at least 30 points.
- 9:02So that's almost one out of 10 pairs where you're seeing at least a 30 point
- 9:07difference and then moving up from there 4% of the time,
- 9:11the two scores differed by at least 50 points. That's a lot .
- 9:16Yeah. So in mathematical terms,
- 9:19we observed that the distribution of the two score differences was "heavy
- 9:24tailed" meaning that large differences like 50
- 9:29or 60 or more occurred more often than you would expect
- 9:33based on just the average or the standard deviation of differences.
- 9:38So yeah, they were often near zero,
- 9:41but they also had more extreme highs and lows than you would see in your typical
- 9:45bell curve.
- 9:46That's, yeah, that's very insightful. Thank you.
- 9:50So what do you believe causes the difference between the scores, knowing,
- 9:55as you mentioned before, VantageScore four, the,
- 9:59and I'm going to say this, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
- 10:02The algorithm used is the same across all three in crass.
- 10:07So what could cause the difference?
- 10:11Well, I mean, credit scores are based on the data in a consumer's credit report,
- 10:15including things like number of accounts, amount of credit available,
- 10:20utilization, delinquency, history, and so on.
- 10:23And the bureaus or nccra have different relationships with different
- 10:28data providers such as mortgage servicers, for example.
- 10:33And what this means is they might learn about new accounts or charges or
- 10:38delinquencies at different times. And so that can lead to timing differences.
- 10:43But even aside from timing differences the CRAs can have
- 10:48permanent data differences, for example, due to a competitive market.
- 10:52They each try to acquire new or unique data elements that the other ones don't
- 10:57have.
- 10:58And there can be differences based on just the processing that it takes to get
- 11:02from the trade line data to the inputs that are required for the credit
- 11:07score algorithms.
- 11:08And some models even have slightly different formulas across the bureaus
- 11:13which isn't the case with VantageScore four.
- 11:18So lastly in some cases a consumer or
- 11:23a third party may intentionally try to manipulate or hide certain data
- 11:28like a bankruptcy or a foreclosure by falsely disputing it
- 11:33or claiming identity theft, for example. And that's called credit washing.
- 11:38And so while that dispute is being resolved,
- 11:42the consumer can qualify for a loan or get a better rate if the loan is based on
- 11:46data from just that bureau where they filed the dispute.
- 11:51So currently this doesn't work for a mortgage because it's hard to like wash all
- 11:55three bureaus at the same time,
- 11:57but it can be causes because for differences between the bureaus.
- 12:02Wow. Thanks for that insight. I would,
- 12:04I would imagine lenders would be very in tune to credit washing
- 12:09knowing that, you know, later down the road it could reappear.
- 12:15So what do you, based off of your study and the actual data that you've,
- 12:20you guys have been analyzed,
- 12:22what are the implications of moving away from Tri-merge and how could this
- 12:26affect pricing and loan qualification?
- 12:30Okay, so this is a, it's a big question. Yes.
- 12:34to analyze it for each consumer,
- 12:38we considered the representative score differences that would result when moving
- 12:43away from the Tri-merge standard.
- 12:48Our paper describes the statistics for both a single score framework and a
- 12:53Bi-merge framework.
- 12:53But I'll give you a few examples for the single score framework since it's the
- 12:58one that's been discussed most recently.
- 12:59And I don't want to throw out too many numbers, . So,
- 13:04so note that when choosing a single score randomly at least a third of the time,
- 13:08you'll get the median itself. So you'll actually get the Tri-mergestandard.
- 13:13But still that random choice in our study,
- 13:17the random choice differed from the median by 10 or more points about 14% of the
- 13:21time. And that difference could be either higher or lower than the median.
- 13:27On the other hand, if you consider, well,
- 13:29what's the furthest single score for a given consumer?
- 13:32What if you choose the outlier score away from the median,
- 13:36then fully 35% of consumers had at least one score that differed
- 13:41from the median by at least 10 points.
- 13:45Looking at that range like say from six 40 to 7 79,
- 13:49where a consumer could potentially move between those pricing bins that I was
- 13:54mentioning earlier this actually increased to 40%.
- 13:59And a difference of like 10 or more points might not sound like a lot,
- 14:03but we found that in that crucial range from six 40 to
- 14:077 79,
- 14:09a score of 10 or more resulted in a move between the 20 point pricing
- 14:14bins either up or down about 83% of the time. Wow. And then, yeah,
- 14:20. Yeah. Yeah.
- 14:22So because it doesn't require a 20 point score difference to move bins,
- 14:27it just kind of depends on where you are.
- 14:28Where you are within the bin. Yeah.
- 14:31Got it.
- 14:31Where you are within the bin and what that difference is and whether it's higher
- 14:33or lower. Yeah. so on the other hand,
- 14:37a 20 plus point difference will always result in a move either
- 14:42up or down to a different pricing point for consumers in that range.
- 14:47And we found that more than one fifth of these consumers or 21%
- 14:52had at least one score that differed from the median by at least 20 points.
- 14:55So basically guaranteeing that that's going to happen if it's used. Oh wow.
- 15:01Yeah.
- 15:01So you are asking how this could affect pricing and loan qualifications.
- 15:06So kind of moving on to that I want to give a sense of what moving
- 15:11between bins means and sort of practical dollar amounts.
- 15:15So let's consider a mortgage for 350,000 that has an initial
- 15:20loan to value of 90%.
- 15:23To qualify for A GST mortgage alone with an LTV of 90 will
- 15:28usually require PMI private mortgage insurance.
- 15:32And that cost will also depend on the consumer's representative credit score.
- 15:36So looking at the difference in present value for those PMI payments
- 15:42you know, depending on where you are and,
- 15:44and combining it with the difference in the GSCs
- 15:48LLPA risk fee moving between 20 point pricing bins
- 15:54can cost between like 3000 and $5,000 in present value
- 15:59depending on the underlying credit score. So if you're on the lower end,
- 16:02maybe you're more, you're closer to the 5,000. Got it.
- 16:06For some changes you're closer to 3000 so that,
- 16:10you know, the 3000 to $5,000 just for moving between consecutive bins.
- 16:15Yes. and yeah, . Yes. So ,
- 16:19so when it comes to loan qualification
- 16:23those on the margins could be denied a mortgage if only the lowest score is
- 16:28used. Right. And also those on the margins,
- 16:33some of them maybe really can't afford a mortgage,
- 16:37but if the highest score is used, they,
- 16:39they might end up qualifying and then ultimately having to foreclose
- 16:44and that's worse than if they just hadn't gotten a loan in the first place.
- 16:48Wow. That's again, very insightful.
- 16:52So talking about consumers, I mean we're,
- 16:55we're down to an example of a anonymous individual consumer.
- 17:00What populations had the largest differences? Because you had mentioned,
- 17:04you know, you had third party out different data, so mm-hmm .
- 17:09Can you explain to us the populations that you saw the largest differences in
- 17:12your study?
- 17:14Sure. So first I'll talk about differences based on the credit score.
- 17:20In general, lower
- 17:23scoring consumers had higher variations between scores.
- 17:28So I've already mentioned that for consumers in the 640 to 779 range
- 17:34score differences maybe I didn't mention this,
- 17:37but they were a bit larger than for consumers in general.
- 17:41Once you start reaching the higher end where the median is between 780 and 850,
- 17:47there are fewer differences between scores,
- 17:49partly because there is that cap at 850, so you just can't get any higher.
- 17:54Right. so for example, I said earlier,
- 17:5621% of consumers between 640 and
- 18:01779 had at least one score that differed from the median,
- 18:04either higher or lower by at least 20 points. For those above 780,
- 18:09it was much lower, just 6%.
- 18:13And for those consumers it also matters less because they're above that top
- 18:18LLPA bucket and as a group they have the lowest delinquency rate,
- 18:21so they are lower risk. On the other hand,
- 18:26when you go down in credit score for consumers with scores,
- 18:30say between 600 and 639,
- 18:33now we're talking about whether or not you qualify for a GSC loan in the first
- 18:37place. And more than a quarter of these consumers,
- 18:4026% had at least one score that differed from the median by
- 18:4520 or more points. In fact,
- 18:48more than 10% had a score that differed by at least 40 points.
- 18:52And and that's compared with 7% of consumers in general.
- 18:56Which is two bands. That would be two, two, yeah.
- 18:58You're guaranteeing two bands at that point, or you know,
- 19:02or you're falling way below or above qualification where maybe you shouldn't.
- 19:08So so that's showing some of the credit score variation.
- 19:12In addition to that, though, there are differences.
- 19:16We saw variation between different minority groups and
- 19:20variation based on household income. And for example,
- 19:25if focusing again on those 20 plus point differences,
- 19:2818% of all consumers had at least one such score.
- 19:33But for a specific minority,
- 19:35a group that increased from 18% up to 23% whereas
- 19:40for white consumers it was only 15%.
- 19:44So you're looking at a pretty big difference in like how many consumers have
- 19:48some difference of at least 20 points from the tri-merge median.
- 19:52So moving away from the tri-merge standard would affect different groups in
- 19:55different ways.
- 19:56Makes sense. Thank you for that.
- 20:00So as we're talking about the single impossible dual bi-merge
- 20:05debate in the industry,
- 20:09can you explain to us what score shopping is and how you analyze that?
- 20:16Okay,
- 20:16so score shopping is when the lender pulls credit reports
- 20:22from multiple bureaus and picks the consumer's highest credit score to
- 20:27get the lowest fees. And the best PMI rate for the consumer
- 20:32currently under the tri-merge standard,
- 20:34it's not possible to do this for a GSE mortgage because all three reports must
- 20:39be pulled and the immediate score must be moved, must be used.
- 20:43But there's a lot of competition among lenders to get,
- 20:47get a consumer's business. So if the tri-merge standard is relaxed,
- 20:51lenders may be incentivized to do this.
- 20:55And even with rules in place to try to prevent lenders from score shopping,
- 21:00consumers who shop around between lenders for the best rate and the lowest fees
- 21:05would implicitly be score shopping themselves.
- 21:08So they would tend to choose a lender that uses their best possible score.
- 21:14To analyze this,
- 21:15we considered metrics around what would happen if the consumer's highest single
- 21:19or bi-merge scores used.
- 21:22How often could the consumer increase their credit score by a given amount over
- 21:26the tri-merge median,
- 21:28and how often would they move up by at least one pricing bin?
- 21:33So we found under a single score framework,
- 21:37consumers in our study, again,
- 21:39in that kind of critical range between 6 47 79 mm-hmm
- 21:44they could increase their score by at least 10 points 22% of the time,
- 21:49and by at least 20 points 11% of the time.
- 21:53So that's more than one out of 10 of these consumers that could achieve a 20
- 21:58point increase, which guarantees, again, moving up in the pricing grid.
- 22:04However, as we kind of mentioned alluded to before,
- 22:08increases of less than 20 can also result in a move up in bins just depending on
- 22:13where you lie within that bin. So in fact,
- 22:17more than a quarter of consumers in this range or 26% could get a better
- 22:21price by score shopping or comparison shopping.
- 22:26Meanwhile for consumers on the margins of approval,
- 22:29these numbers are even higher .
- 22:32So you potentially have consumers appearing to qualify for loans that they,
- 22:35they cannot afford.
- 22:37Which we might find out later. Right. If,
- 22:40if they get the loan in the future. Right. that would be unfortunate.
- 22:45Right, right.
- 22:46not, you know, I'm sure the consumers would be happy,
- 22:49but it would be unfortunate for possibly the market.
- 22:52How about in your study, you know,
- 22:56you guys have tried to do some real life.
- 22:59Do you see a real life dollar consequence with score shopping?
- 23:02Were you able to articulate a sample on that?
- 23:07Going back to the,
- 23:08the previous example that I gave that sample loan,
- 23:13$350,000 at 90 loan to value,
- 23:17we mentioned that moving between adjacent 20 point pricing bins results in
- 23:22a cost difference between 3000 and
- 23:26$5,000 in present value.
- 23:28So now we're talking about that being a savings for the consumer.
- 23:32And of course jumping more than one bin would roughly double that amount.
- 23:37Right.
- 23:38so I should have maybe mentioned that like 4% of the consumers between
- 23:44six 40 and 7 79 could increase their score by 40 or more points,
- 23:48which basically guarantees that move up by two bins. And so,
- 23:53you know, on the face of it, to the consumer,
- 23:55this represents a pretty big savings in cost. Yeah.
- 23:59To the mortgage insurer and the credit investor,
- 24:02this represents potentially underpriced risk.
- 24:07And if more consumers started to engage in things like credit washing
- 24:12to hide derogatory events, then it could be even worse.
- 24:16So these stakeholders could end up resing loan pricing across the
- 24:21board to offset that risk that you know, that,
- 24:25that they're not,
- 24:26they need to be compensated for the credit risk that they're taking. Yes.
- 24:31and so,
- 24:32so basically rates could go up across the board and there could be sort of a
- 24:37feedback thing going on where this even increases the frequency of score
- 24:40shopping even more and sort of blocks in less precise credit pricing.
- 24:45Yes.
- 24:46Or I can imagine some startup company out there,
- 24:50helping with the situation, but ,
- 24:56let's hope not. So
- 24:59along the debate in the industry,
- 25:01we've also seen a number thrown out a few times about, you know,
- 25:06what about doing a cutoff for GSE loans at the 700
- 25:11score range.
- 25:12So how do you feel about that cutoff based off
- 25:18of your study? Would it eliminate score shopping or.
- 25:24I don't think so.
- 25:24You don't think so? Okay.
- 25:26No, I don't think so. ,
- 25:27so basically this hybrid approach allows
- 25:32the lender to choose a single report framework if the first
- 25:36score polled is above 700.
- 25:41But if the first score is below 700, then all three reports would be polled.
- 25:46And the, and you know, all three reports would be used.
- 25:51You'd had, you'd have the median,
- 25:53so you'd be back to the tri-merge framework for that consumer. Right.
- 25:57so aside from consumers between I guess 700 now
- 26:02and 7 79,
- 26:04still being able to score shop around for the lender that uses the highest score
- 26:10there are consumers with median below 700.
- 26:14So their tri-merge standard would be below 700,
- 26:17but the maximum score is above 700.
- 26:20And if that maximum score is the first one polled,
- 26:24it would become the representative score for the loan.
- 26:27So for consumers like these, there would still be an incentive to score shop.
- 26:32So we looked at how often this could happen.
- 26:35And in our study dataset overall there were about a hundred million
- 26:41scored consumers with a tri-merge median below 700.
- 26:45And of those 100 million consumers,
- 26:48about 6% had a maximum score above 700.
- 26:53And of course these percentages varied depending on the consumer's
- 26:57underlying credit score.
- 26:58So it was more common for consumers up closer to 700.
- 27:04So looking at the 660 to 679 range,
- 27:09about 8% by using the maximum score could get up above 700.
- 27:14And if you move up to the 680 to 699 range, now we're looking at about 90,
- 27:20or sorry, not 90,
- 27:2129% of those consumers had a maximum score above 700.
- 27:26And so they would still be able to increase their score through score shopping
- 27:30under this hybrid approach.
- 27:33So we've talked about a lot and Joni,
- 27:36you've shown us that the data between the bureaus isn't just slightly different.
- 27:40It can actually lead to significant different outcomes for both the
- 27:45consumer and lenders.
- 27:48If there is one fundamental truth that lenders and investors should keep in mind
- 27:53about credit transparency as the industry evolves
- 27:58based off of your study, what would it be?
- 28:05I guess like something for everyone involved in the mortgage
- 28:10industry,
- 28:11to keep in mind is that when changes are made in the
- 28:15mortgage industry,
- 28:17they tend to remain in effect for many years as the new standard
- 28:22mm-hmm . So it's important to get things right you know,
- 28:27to,
- 28:27to be cautious and look at all the data and perform a whole bunch of analysis
- 28:32and think through the potential ramifications and the unintended
- 28:36consequences of reducing the data set that's used to qualify
- 28:42and price mortgages. And,
- 28:45and especially if there's any information asymmetry that's introduced to
- 28:50the system
- 28:52I think we all have the same goal of ensuring a functioning and fair mortgage
- 28:57market while increasing affordability for consumers and getting consumers into
- 29:02homes and mortgages that they actually can afford. Mm-Hmm .
- 29:06However,
- 29:06those holding the credit risk have an important role to play and they may
- 29:10require higher compensation for risk if new standards result in pricing
- 29:14uncertainty or adverse selection.
- 29:18And that potentially means higher mortgage rates for everyone.
- 29:21So I guess in short any changes need to be carefully and thoughtfully
- 29:25considered.
- 29:26Yeah.
- 29:26Well luckily you guys were able to conduct a study that
- 29:31I don't believe has ever been done before. So we greatly appreciate
- 29:37your ability to do the study.
- 29:40And let's get an update from our economists at Moody's Analytics.
- 29:45There's a lot to get to, but let's start in the Middle East.
- 29:48US and Israeli start strikes on Iran have sent oil markets into a tailspin.
- 29:53Crude oil prices have surged since the start of the conflict.
- 29:56The Strait of Hormuz, which carries about a fifth of global oil supply,
- 30:00has essentially closed. Our base case is that the disruption is real,
- 30:04but will be relatively short-lived. We expect prices to moderate,
- 30:08but stay above $70 into the latter half of the year before gradually returning
- 30:13to prior levels.
- 30:14But there's about a 2010 to 20% chance this gets worse.
- 30:18And in that scenario, oil hits and stays above a hundred dollars per barrel.
- 30:23So for American consumers,
- 30:25every $10 increase in the price of oil translates to a roughly 25 cent increase
- 30:29in the price of gas.
- 30:31And every sustained $10 increase leads to an addition of roughly 15 basis points
- 30:36to inflation in the following year.
- 30:39So this is a stagflationary pressure layered on top of what tariffs and tight
- 30:43immigration policy were already doing.
- 30:46So on jobs February was rough, payrolls fell by 92,000,
- 30:52the unemployment rate ticked up to 4.4%,
- 30:55and labor force participation hit its lowest level since late
- 30:582021 3-month average job growth is now just 6,000,
- 31:04and the labor market has essentially gone nowhere since the Liberation day
- 31:07announcements last year. Now that said,
- 31:09we expect job growth to pick up but remain anemic in the year ahead
- 31:14with weakness on both the demand and the supply side. So on tariffs,
- 31:19despite the Supreme Court's recent IEPA ruling,
- 31:22we believe that the administration has enough policy tools to keep the effective
- 31:25tariff rate more or less. Where it has been,
- 31:28the composition may shift in terms of which trading partners bear the burden,
- 31:32but the macro impact is largely unchanged.
- 31:36So the bottom line is the US economy is still advancing,
- 31:39but the risks are rising swiftly. The longer the Iran conflict persists,
- 31:44the steeper the damage and that clock is ticking.
- 31:47Thank you immensely for being our guest on today's Market Pulse podcast.
- 31:52I really enjoyed my time with you.
- 31:55And I hope that we run into each other again in the future, .
- 32:00Yeah, me too. I enjoyed it too. Thank you, Wendy. It's stay here, .
- 32:05Yes. Have a great day. Thank you.
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