Latest / Investor Exchange / How Adverse Market Conditions Impacted Jawala Inc.’s FY2025 Performance
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today, we're cutting through,
- 0:11well, quite a bit of data, actually,
- 0:12to bring you the core insights from a specific corner of the market.
- 0:16That's right. We're heading over to Southeast Asia, Saba, Malaysia, to be precise.
- 0:21And we're going to dissect the full year financial results for a company called
- 0:24Jawala Inc. Jawala focuses on forest
- 0:27resources, primarily industrial tree plantations, think logs, timber.
- 0:32We've got their unaudited results for the full year 2025, which ended July 31st.
- 0:37Right. And we also have their profit guidance announcement that came out around the same time. Exactly.
- 0:42So we'll be looking at both. Our mission here is really to figure out the story behind these numbers.
- 0:46Why did Jawala sink deeper into a net loss this year? And importantly,
- 0:51how are they funding what looks like a pretty significant long-term strategy,
- 0:55especially when the short-term environment seems, well, tough? Hmm.
- 1:00And just for context, we're dealing with Malaysian ringgit, that's RM.
- 1:04100 cent makes up one ringgit for anyone tracking currencies.
- 1:08Okay, let's unpack this. Maybe we should start with the revenue.
- 1:11Because that seems like a bit of a paradox. It really is. It's definitely the
- 1:15definition of a split result.
- 1:17And understanding this is pretty crucial, I think. So what does that mean, a split result?
- 1:21Well, if you just glance at the full fiscal year 2025 headline number.
- 1:26Joala's revenue actually looks, you know, pretty decent.
- 1:29It increased by 25%. Okay, 25% up. Sounds good.
- 1:32Yeah, hit RM10.184 million compared to about RM8.15 million the year before.
- 1:39So you'd initially think, all right, things are moving up. But that's not the
- 1:42whole picture, is it? Not at all.
- 1:44That's the slightly deceptive part. Because if you slice the year in half,
- 1:47you see a completely different story in the second half. H2. Ah.
- 1:51So H1 must have been really strong to compensate. Presumably, yeah.
- 1:54Because the revenue for the last six months of FY 2025, it just fell off a cliff,
- 1:59down 67%. Wow, 67% down. Yeah.
- 2:03It dropped from over RM8 million in H2 the previous year down to just RM2.67
- 2:09million in H2 of this year, FY 2025.
- 2:12Okay, that's a massive drop. So that H2 performance must have really dictated
- 2:16the final bottom line then.
- 2:18Absolutely. That huge deceleration in sales volume directly led to the,
- 2:23let's say, less positive bottom line reality.
- 2:26Which was? A deeper loss, unfortunately.
- 2:29The group recorded a total comprehensive loss of RM3.475 million for the full
- 2:34year. Okay. And how does that compare to last year?
- 2:36It's a 30% bigger loss compared to the RM2.683 million loss they posted in FY 2024.
- 2:43Right. And that flows through to the earnings per share, I assume?
- 2:46Loss per share, yeah. It widened from 1.77 cent per share to 2.22 cent per share.
- 2:52Okay, so revenue up overall, but crashed in H2, leading to a bigger loss.
- 2:56But here's something interesting I saw, the gross profit margin.
- 3:00Ah, yes, that's a key point. Despite that huge swing in sales volume between
- 3:04the halves, the gross profit margin stayed remarkably stable. How stable?
- 3:08Unchanged. It was 32% for FY2025, exactly the same as FY2024. Okay, wait.
- 3:13So they sold way less timber in H2, but the profit margin on what they did sell was the same.
- 3:18Precisely. And this is quite telling, actually. It suggests management was exercising,
- 3:23you know, market discipline.
- 3:25Meaning? Meaning they weren't just desperately slashing prices to try and force
- 3:29sales when the market turned sour.
- 3:31They held their margin structure. So the bigger loss wasn't because they were
- 3:35selling timber too cheaply.
- 3:36It was just because they weren't selling much timber at all in that second half. Exactly.
- 3:40And that wasn't an accident. It was a strategic choice. Ah, this connects to
- 3:44the profit guidance, doesn't it? It does.
- 3:47Jawahar explicitly said in their
- 3:49guidance that the expected net loss was mainly due to lower sales in H2.
- 3:54And the reason for those lower sales, a management decision. What decision?
- 3:59They deliberately decided to delay logging and production operations. Why would they do that?
- 4:05Because, according to them, of adverse market conditions and also some difficult
- 4:09weather, they basically looked at the market and said, you know what?
- 4:12The price we'd get right now isn't worth cutting down these trees. So they hit pause.
- 4:17Right. Preserve the inventory, wait for better prices.
- 4:20Makes sense strategically, but obviously hurts the income statement in the short
- 4:24term. Definitely save the margin, but starve the top line and ultimately lead the bottom line.
- 4:29Okay, so that strategic pause explains the H2 revenue drop, but the total loss
- 4:34still increased by 30% year over year.
- 4:36If they were managing costs and margins, what else drove that bigger loss?
- 4:41This is where it gets quite technical, right?
- 4:43Yeah, there are a couple of really significant factors here beyond just the lower sales volume.
- 4:48The first big one is about valuing those trees we mentioned,
- 4:51the biological assets. Ah, the fair value accounting? Exactly.
- 4:55This is always critical for any forestry or farming company.
- 4:58It's also a source of, well, potentially massive non-cash swings on the income statement.
- 5:03Explain that a bit more, the non-cash part. Okay, so think of Joala's growing
- 5:07trees as their living inventory.
- 5:09Accounting rules, specifically MFRS 141 agriculture, require them to revalue
- 5:15these biological assets every year.
- 5:17To reflect their growth and what they might be worth in the future. Right.
- 5:21They estimate the future value, considering growth, timber prices, costs, etc.
- 5:25And the change in that estimated value from one year to the next is recorded
- 5:29on the income statement.
- 5:30Often, as trees grow, this results in a non-cash gain, a fair value gain on biological assets.
- 5:37Which helps offset other operating costs on paper. Exactly. It boosts the reported
- 5:41profit, even though no actual cash came in from that specific adjustment.
- 5:45Okay. So what happened with that gain in FY 2025 for Jawala?
- 5:49Well, it didn't just shrink. It practically collapsed.
- 5:52That fair value gain decreased by a huge 68%. 68 percent. Wow.
- 5:57Yeah. It went from a positive RM5.77 million gain in FY 2024,
- 6:02which really helped their bottom
- 6:03line that year, down to only RM1.855 million this year. OK, hold on.
- 6:08That difference is almost RM4 million right there. Precisely.
- 6:11That nearly four million ringgit negative swing alone is a massive contributor
- 6:14to why the net loss got so much bigger this year compared to last.
- 6:18So why did the valuation drop so much? Was it just the trees grew less?
- 6:21It wasn't primarily about physical growth.
- 6:24The company stated it was due to changes in the assumptions used in the valuation,
- 6:29reflecting those same adverse market conditions they reacted to by pausing logging.
- 6:34What assumptions changed?
- 6:36The independent valuer had to revise some key inputs. For example,
- 6:40they lowered the estimated log selling price assumption used in the model from
- 6:44RM400 per cubic meter down to RM380 per cubic meter.
- 6:48Okay, reflecting weaker market prices. Right.
- 6:51And they also lowered the estimated yield, basically, how much usable timber
- 6:55they expect to get per hectare of forest.
- 6:57That dropped from 147 cubic meters per hectare down to 140.
- 7:01So it's a double hit on the valuation. The market expects lower prices and maybe
- 7:06slightly less timber per area harvested in the future.
- 7:09Exactly. It reflects that challenging outlook they mentioned.
- 7:11So that's factor number one, the biological asset valuation swing.
- 7:15Okay. Huge impact. What else contributed to the bigger loss?
- 7:18You mentioned another technical point.
- 7:20Yes, the second major item was a significant jump in finance expenses. How significant?
- 7:26They shot up to RM637,000 in FY2025.
- 7:31Compare that to just RM95,000 the year before. Okay, that's a big increase.
- 7:35Was that new debt or much higher interest rates? Not necessarily.
- 7:38This is more of an accounting treatment change. And it relates to a specific
- 7:42loan, the FPD Loan Forest Plantation Development Loan. Right,
- 7:45FPD. What changed in the accounting?
- 7:47Okay, this is where it gets a little into the weeds, but it's important.
- 7:50In FY 2024, the interest expense on this FPD loan was capitalized.
- 7:55Capitalized. Meaning it wasn't treated as an expense on the income statement?
- 7:59Correct. When they were in the main development phase, building up the plantation,
- 8:03the interest cost was added to the cost of the biological asset on the balance sheet.
- 8:07It didn't hit the profit and loss statement directly.
- 8:10So it made the reported profit look better in FY 2024.
- 8:13Essentially, yes. It kept that interest cost off the P&L for that period.
- 8:18But in FY 2025, they switched. The interest expense was expensed.
- 8:22Meaning it went straight onto the income statement as a cost. Exactly.
- 8:26It hit the P&L directly, contributing to the reported loss for FY 2025.
- 8:31This is a standard accounting transition as a project matures from development to operation.
- 8:36But it means that RM637,000 finance costs hitting the bottom line this year
- 8:41wasn't necessarily new cash outflow related to interest, but rather a required
- 8:46change in how it was reported. OK, I get it.
- 8:49So the biological asset markdown was a huge non-cash hit reflecting market conditions.
- 8:54And this finance expense change was a required accounting shift that also pulled
- 8:58the reported profit down.
- 8:59Those are the two really big drivers of the increase in the loss compared to the prior year.
- 9:04But it wasn't all negative on the cost side, was it? I saw some areas where
- 9:07they seem to manage things quite well.
- 9:09No, you're right. There were some definite positives in terms of internal cost control.
- 9:13Administrative expenses, for instance, actually decreased by 13 percent.
- 9:17How much is that in ringgit?
- 9:18It saved them about RM 1.1 million. And that came mainly from lower spending
- 9:23on employee compensation, professional fees, and travel.
- 9:26So that shows active management trying to control the controllables.
- 9:30That's good to see. And what about collecting money they were owed?
- 9:33Another positive point, actually. They managed to record a reversal of impairment
- 9:38loss on trade receivables.
- 9:40A reversal, meaning they collected debts they previously thought were bad.
- 9:43Exactly. They got a gain of RM268,000 this year from collecting old debts.
- 9:50Contrast that to FY2024, where they had to recognize a loss of RM1.4 million
- 9:55because they couldn't collect.
- 9:57So a big positive swing on collections. Okay, so good internal cost control, good collections.
- 10:03But there was one other income line that went down, wasn't there? Yes.
- 10:06Other income decreased quite a bit by 52%, about RM146,000 less.
- 10:12This was mainly interest income they earned on fixed deposits.
- 10:15And why did that go down? Did rates fall?
- 10:17The reason they gave is quite revealing, actually. They said it was due to the
- 10:20uplift of fixed deposits.
- 10:22Uplift, meaning they took the money out?
- 10:24Yes. They took cash out of those interest-earning deposits to use it for.
- 10:28And this is key, planting and maintenance activities.
- 10:31Ah, so they're sacrificing interest income to fund the actual operations and planting.
- 10:36Exactly. Which leads us perfectly into looking at the balance sheet and how
- 10:39they're financing this whole operation, especially the ongoing investment.
- 10:43Right. Let's shift to the balance sheet then.
- 10:46Unsurprisingly, given it's a forestry company, those biological assets must
- 10:50dominate, right? Absolutely.
- 10:51They're valued at RM52.5 million. That represents a huge 87% of their total non-current assets.
- 10:59It really is the core of the company's value. And are they still investing heavily
- 11:03in these assets, even with the current losses?
- 11:06Oh, yes. They're pouring money in. Those biological assets increased in value
- 11:09by 24%, or RM10.3 million, during FY2025.
- 11:14And how much of that increase was actual cash spending versus the fair value
- 11:18being we talked about? Good question.
- 11:20The fair value gain was only RM1.85 million, remember.
- 11:24The main driver of the increase was RM8.4 million in actual cash-spent additions,
- 11:28booked as costs incurred for replanting and maintenance.
- 11:31Wow, RM8.4 million cash into the ground. It really underscores the capital-intensive,
- 11:36long-cycle nature of this business.
- 11:38You have to keep investing today to have timber to sell years down the road,
- 11:42even if the current market is weak.
- 11:43But spending RM8.4 million in cash requires... years.
- 11:49Cash. How did their liquidity position look at the end of the year?
- 11:53Not great, frankly. Their cash and bank balances decreased very sharply.
- 11:56They ended FY 2025 with only RM 2.4 million down from RM 8.9 million the year before.
- 12:03Okay, that's a significant drop. Where did the cash go? Well,
- 12:06that RM 8.4 million investment in biological assets explains most of it.
- 12:10Net cash used in investing activities overall was RM 8.5 million.
- 12:14That lines up almost perfectly with the cash train. So if they're spending that
- 12:18much cash on investing and presumably still have operating costs and revenue
- 12:21is down in each, too, how do they fund it all? Did they borrow more? They did.
- 12:26Total borrowings increased significantly. They went up from RM17.8 million at
- 12:30the end of FY 2024 to RM21.8 million at the end of FY 2025.
- 12:34So another RM4 million in debt. Primarily, yes.
- 12:38And they specifically mentioned this was mainly due to drawing down more from
- 12:41that FPD loan facility, the one we discussed regarding the interest capitalization
- 12:45change. The loan specifically for plantation activities.
- 12:48Exactly. So they are clearly using debt to bridge the gap between their operating
- 12:52cash flow, which was likely negative given the H2 slowdown, and their significant
- 12:58capital expenditure needs for planting.
- 13:00Debt financing the growth of the trees while waiting for better markets. Okay.
- 13:04Now, you mentioned connecting this to the bigger picture. Is there anything
- 13:07else on the balance sheet that gives a clue about their funding strategy?
- 13:11Yes, there's a really interesting detail if you dig into the equity section,
- 13:15specifically concerning reserves.
- 13:17Okay, what did you find? Their main subsidiary, JPISB, previously held RM2.6
- 13:23million, which was classified as non-distributable strategic reserves back in FY 2024.
- 13:29Strategic reserves, what were they for?
- 13:31The notes indicated this money was specifically set aside back in 2023 to help
- 13:36fund operating expenses and capital expenditure for the period between 2023 and 2026.
- 13:41Think of it as an internal rainy day fund or buffer. Okay. RM 2.6 million set
- 13:46aside for exactly this kind of situation.
- 13:48So what happened to that reserve in FY 2025?
- 13:51It's gone. The line item for non-distributable strategic reserves reads RM nil as of July 31st, 2025.
- 13:58Wow. So they used it all up. That's the clear indication.
- 14:01They've fully drawn down and utilized that internal buffer, likely to help fund
- 14:05that RM8.5 million cash used in investing and cover operating expenses during
- 14:11this really challenging period with low H2 sales.
- 14:14That's quite critical, isn't it? It suggests they're operating without that
- 14:17internal safety net now. It certainly seems that way.
- 14:20They appear to be relying heavily on that external FPD loan financing to keep
- 14:25the long-term planting strategy going, having exhausted their dedicated internal reserve.
- 14:30That really does raise the stakes. Okay, so summing that up.
- 14:34Disciplined pause on logging, hit by asset valuation markdown and an accounting
- 14:38change, but still investing heavily in planting, funded by drawing down debt
- 14:42and using up all their internal strategic reserves.
- 14:45What's the official outlook now from Jawala? Are they expecting things to get better soon?
- 14:50Their official market commentary remains very cautious. The word they used is
- 14:54challenging. They expect market conditions to remain challenging.
- 14:57And does the broader market data back that up? Unfortunately, yes.
- 15:02We have some specific data for the Saab timber sector, where Jwala operates.
- 15:06For the first half of calendar year, 2025, January to June, total exports of
- 15:12timber products from Saabo were down 19% in volume compared to the same period in 2024.
- 15:17Okay, nearly 20% drop in volume. What about value?
- 15:20Even worse, down 24% in volume. Ouch. So falling volumes and falling prices,
- 15:26that definitely validates management's decision to hold back timber in the second
- 15:32half of their fiscal year.
- 15:33Selling into that kind of falling market would have been painful. Absolutely.
- 15:37And they also highlighted a couple of major external pressures that are contributing
- 15:41to these tough conditions. Like what?
- 15:43Firstly, escalating costs due to widespread inflationary pressure.
- 15:46That hits their spending on everything from fuel to fertilizer to labor. Makes sense.
- 15:51And the second? Uncertainties from higher tariffs worldwide.
- 15:55Timber is a global commodity, right? If major buyers like China or the U.S.
- 16:00Or Europe put up higher tariffs, it can really dampen demand and push prices down globally.
- 16:05That feeds right back into those valuation assumptions we talked about earlier.
- 16:09Right. It becomes a vicious cycle.
- 16:11Weak market leads to lower valuations, which impacts reported profit,
- 16:15while external factors like inflation and tariffs keep pressure on. Exactly.
- 16:19And given the loss they recorded and the fact they used up reserves and took
- 16:23on more debt, I assume dividends were off the table. Correct.
- 16:27Consistent with the loss, the board declared that no dividend was declared or
- 16:30recommended for FY 2025.
- 16:33The focus is clearly on investment and navigating these challenges right now.
- 16:37Okay, so let's try and quickly summarize the deep dive here.
- 16:40Jawala's FY 2025 was really a tale of two halves.
- 16:43Strong start masked by a deliberate H2 logging pause due to weak markets.
- 16:48Right, that protected margins but hammered revenue.
- 16:51Then the bottom line loss deepened significantly, driven mainly by that big
- 16:55non-cash markdown of their biological assets. Reflecting the weaker market outlook.
- 16:59And that technical accounting change on the finance costs. But underneath all
- 17:04that, they're still pushing ahead aggressively with their long-term planting strategy.
- 17:08Yeah, investing heavily, funded by drawing down more of their FPD loan and,
- 17:13critically, using up their entire internal strategic reserve cushion.
- 17:17This raises an important question.
- 17:19Well, Jawala is making these large, consistent investments in their trees right now.
- 17:25These trees, their biological assets, are valued using assumptions about the
- 17:29future, like the future log selling price, which, as you said,
- 17:33they just lowered from RM400 down to RM380. Right.
- 17:37Reflecting the current weakness. So given this challenging market,
- 17:40their increased reliance on debt financing, and the fact that their internal
- 17:44reserve buffer is now apparently gone, how long can the company realistically
- 17:47sustain this high-cost,
- 17:49high-investment period before the revenue from those maturing trees absolutely
- 17:53has to start flowing in strongly to offset that rising debt load.
- 17:57That's the crucial tension, isn't it? That balance sheet pressure,
- 18:00the cash burn versus the eventual harvest revenue, the timing of that next major
- 18:04harvest cycle against their current financial structure seems like the key thing to watch.