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EDP39: AU / GB / IRE Cross Country Previews / Cycling talk over? / VIC Milers / Perth as a place to live? · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double podcast episode 39.
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  I realized I never introduced myself.
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  So I am your host or one of three Co hosts Ryan and I'm
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  joined by We'll go with Dean who is 10K up the road as I found
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  out earlier when I cycled to your house and recorded it on my
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  GPS watch. How are you doing?
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  Good mate, that's it. No, good to see you again, doing
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  well. Yeah, we were actually.
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  This came to my mind earlier with some of the cycling chat
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  that we've been doing. We get we're getting strangely
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  positive feedback, but I don't want to be deluded by it.
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  So I'll put up a poll on the Instagram this week, like
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  whether people want to hear it or not, because I really don't
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  want to project cycling crap onto runners ears if they're
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  genuinely not interested. So it's a democracy.
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  We'll go with the the majority on the votes because that's what
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  we're doing in your garage. If you if you put gummy bear on
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  the on the pole as well. We'll see if because we haven't
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  heard heard about it's it their whereabouts in recent times.
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  We need to see if the people still want to hear about the
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  cat. Well, the latest updates is he's
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  he'll be being minded by my boss, like boss's boss to to up
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  the hierarchy from me in the week as when I go on a trip down
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  to Margaret River. So it'll be going on his
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  holidays as well. Best behavior then.
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  Yeah, hopefully needs to behave himself.
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  How? How did you get your boss's boss
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  to mind your car? Well, it was one of them, you
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  know, like kind of subtly bringing pets up and figuring
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  out who's into dogs, who's into cats and whatever.
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  Just like in a communal space in the office where there's like 5
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  or 6 people going to be engaged without directly asking any
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  questions. And then the CFO is the one who
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  loves cats. So then it was a quite a
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  difficult transition from discovering she likes cats to
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  discover to finding out whether she wanted to mind my cat.
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  Well, here you are anyway. Welcome, Owen.
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  How are you doing there? Sunday morning just.
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  Sunday morning, yeah, good. Had a nice line this morning and
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  yeah, things going well. Currently in well my car broke
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  before I went to Spain, so I'm now sort of dealing with that,
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  whether to buy a nice car or just buy another sort of shit
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  car to get me by and just tossing up the finances.
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  But no, running wise I'm going good.
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  Do you have to weigh that up against the tread a new
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  treadmill as well or? Yeah, I think it treadmills at
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  the window for now. I think I'm there's a better
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  chance of me getting like just a gym membership for a couple of
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  months. So yeah, the treadmill dream has
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  been put on hold until until next year.
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  Then you need your car to get to the gym.
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  Yeah, the car I need care to get to work as well, like the car is
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  more important. I'm like the kind of treadmill
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  cost similar. So it's one or the other.
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  Yes, some things in life are bigger than running.
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  Yeah, yeah. What?
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  You'd think that you're still in sunny Spain by the camera there,
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  the sun's beaming off your face. The sun has come out to say hi.
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  Yeah, because with the amount of rain, well, some mountain of
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  rain fell over the last couple of days.
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  All the roads are flooded. Actually went over on yesterday
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  and got so far and I actually had to turn around.
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  The road was completely flooded. Normally you can get by on like
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  the banks, but no, completely flooded.
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  So I'm like how it's going to make, it's going to make for a
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  very, very mocky cross country next Sunday, which is, which is
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  fun. But yeah, the sun is shining
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  here now. That'll be what you want there.
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  You want the adverse conditions, don't you?
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  Like if you're a horse you'd want it is a heavy or something.
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  Yeah, I'd probably want it a little bit heavier seeing that
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  it's like on a pancake flat course and we just need to slow
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  down them 13 low 5K guys. Well, looking forward to getting
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  into that a bit later on. You just saying off air that
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  there's a there's a big soccer or football game coming up for
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  Ireland this afternoon and your pursuit of World Cup
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  qualification. Yeah, so normally Ireland, we're
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  pretty weak at soccer. I think since the early 2000s
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  we've been pretty shit and I think it was 2012 we got to the
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  EUR unlike it was incredible. I think we end up getting to the
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  quarterfinal. We lost France to one, but we
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  actually went one nil up. And he's on the Henry Humble.
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  No, no, no, don't talk about that one.
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  That was before. But yeah, we'd a handy enough
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  group this, this to qualify for the World Cup.
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  And like we've had, we had a handy enough group of like
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  Armenia, Ireland, Hungary and Portugal.
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  So obviously Portugal, you'd finish first, we'll finish
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  first, but you'd fancy yourself to get like second butcher.
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  Ireland being Ireland, didn't they lose?
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  They lost Armenia and like the first or second game, which is
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  like a must win game. And Armenia are ranked like
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  109th. They're really, really like shit
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  basically. And both we actually bet
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  Portugal there during the week. So we're playing hungry now at
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  2:00 today and it's a must win game.
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  If we win it, we'll get into some playoffs sort of thing to
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  maybe qualify. So yeah, we have to.
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  We have to win. Seen that results against
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  Portugal the the big man got sent off, didn't he?
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  It was so funny. Yeah, he elbowed when the Irish
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  center backs and then then he started doing like the crying,
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  the cry, like pretending he was crying and pointing at the Irish
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  guy. And then he actually got sent
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  off and the Irish fans went mad. But like we actually put them
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  well button to nail which is pretty good.
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  That's Cristiano Ronaldo, by the way, for those who went went
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  away. Yeah, he's not well liked in
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  Ireland now tell you that much. He's an easy man to dislike and
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  to jeer. Yeah, but he's good at soccer.
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  As I'm sure you've probably gathered by now, there's not
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  actually all that much running to talk this week.
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  So what we do have on the agenda is there's Victoria Milers in
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  the week and Seth O'Donnell was doing some crazy things there.
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  So we'll talk about that. And then next weekend we've got
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  the cross country season. So the selection trials for
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  world cross country are happening in Australia, the
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  national cross country is happening in Ireland, and the
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  selection trials for the European cross country for Team
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  GB is happening in Liverpool as well.
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  So we're going to talk a little bit about those.
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  Fred Kelly, one of the American sprinters, has been thrown his
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  name into the headlines with some controversial things this
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  week. So we'll talk about that.
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  And besides that, we'll see how we go.
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  I guess Dean and I'll talk about our injury updates.
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  And we've been reflecting this week that almost all of the
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  people who podcast, who we seem to be aware of seems to be
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  getting some bad luck, ourselves included.
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  Like if you think of it, Owen, when maybe when we first
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  started, you had a bit of an an injury pretty soon into it,
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  didn't you? Yeah, yeah.
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  Since then, Dean and I, unfortunately, and then the
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  Brady and croaks are out or in and out.
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  Fraser and Andy from For the Kudos have now taken a knock.
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  So maybe the the podcast industry's cursed and it's just
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  sticks to run. I think everyone just pushes
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  because we're so immersed in it. We just pushed like too hard.
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  I don't know, Like it's all we think about, so.
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  It's funny, even I was getting told off by Becky yesterday
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  because we went for, we done like 100K in the morning on the
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  bike. And then when we came back, I
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  tried like my first little run walk thing and then after later
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  on I went to the gym and done my strength and she's like, Are you
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  sure like 3 sessions in one day? Like you don't want to be going
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  backwards again. And then this afternoon when I
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  was like going up to Dean's to do these things on the Wahoo,
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  she's like, are you getting yourself in a hole again with
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  you? Remember, you heal like just
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  because you've been able to run a little bit yesterday.
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  But I think that's good as well. It's sort of like a word of
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  reason because eighteens like that for me, like when I'm
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  coming back from injury or like if I was like, Oh yeah, I'm just
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  going to wait for a 30 minute jog.
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  Like in your head it's nothing, but it's still something.
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  So it's sort of good to have that.
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  Like it's like the Angel on your shoulder, like you are the
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  devil. But like they're like the Angel
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  and they're just like, just remember, just pull it back a
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  little bit. It's just like a word of reason.
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  Cop those same noises you just the piece sort of just filter
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  out is like white noise. You know I.
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  Was going to say but realistically are you actually
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  listening though I. Mean I say I am.
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  The evidence says otherwise. My strada would say otherwise,
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  but I'm still waiting for my first kudos from hell so they
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  doesn't pay attention. Hard to please.
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  Let's talk about the results that we do have then.
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  I don't know if you've seen this.
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  So Victoria Milers happened on maybe Thursday night and Seth
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  ran, Seth O'Donnell ran both the B and the A race in the 3000
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  meters. So I think when I looked at it
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  from finishing his B race, which he won in, jeez, don't want to
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  get this wrong now. I think it was a 15.
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  There was then 15, a 15 minute gap and he was on the start line
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  for the start of the A race, which he won in 755.
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  And like, that's pretty probably pretty easy for him really.
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  Because what remember in the summer in Europe when he was in
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  the race with Almgren, he ran things like 737 or something,
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  but still. It's not bad.
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  He's got to be the best Victoria Milos racer going around,
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  surely? His bib as well.
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  He had his number was like handwritten on.
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  I think he's doing he's that well, we'll get to it.
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  He's on the start list for cross country next weekend as well,
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  which is cool. So and to be fair, enjoying some
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  of the content that he puts up. I don't know if he's stepped
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  over to YouTube but he certainly had them that way with like his
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  rails and stuff on Instagram documenting his almost crazy
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  scientists theories trying the most.
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  Yeah, not afraid to say. He does have YouTube, doesn't
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  he? Hello.
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  I think he posted he was posting when he was doing in Europe and
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  it was funny because he was on the plane.
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  What, like his? Yeah, of course his.
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  Yeah, of course he's done the said Sydney people are wankers
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  and we commented on it. The podcast doesn't align with
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  that. We just highlighted it.
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  We welcome listeners from all cities and all remote towns.
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  Yeah, no, he's gone quiet. Two months was his last, 1-2
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  months ago. Not like us.
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  We're here week in, week out, preventing the content.
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  That's it. Let's go to the Australian cross
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  country then and have a look at these start lists.
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  Because they came out in the week, didn't we?
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  Didn't they rather. And I sent them through and I
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  don't know about use, but I was pretty impressed with some of
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  the depth there. And there's a few interest in
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  like kind of crossovers from track runners and distance
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  runners. Just looking at the women's
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  start list, friend of the show Rachel McGinnis is listed down
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  on there. So that'd be cool to see her
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  hopefully go well there. Jayla Hancock, Cameron Bronte
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  Oates, Bianca Pasquale, Georgia Hansen or other standout names.
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  But I think the men's is probably a little bit deeper
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  than that. But that's that's good and
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  interesting because it provides an opportunity for some of those
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  girls who've maybe always been like on the cusp of getting a
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  national bib and representing Australia on the global stage.
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  Because looking at that, there is a real opportunity there.
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  I'm sure when I looked the other day that Leanne Pompiani was
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  listed there. Now she doesn't seem to be
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  coming up. So whether they've updated that
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  or I was just saying things, that's strange.
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  Anyway, for the for the men then this is where I noticed some of
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  the crossovers from track to distance because I seen Cam
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  Myers was a standout name obviously jumps off the page
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  right there. Why is Cam Myers not even on
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  there now? Did you look at these lists the
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  other day and did you see Cam Myers on there?
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  I seen Cam Myers because I got excited to see how you'd run.
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  So what is the why am I looking at a complete different list
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  now? Because Morgan McDonald was on
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  there as well, and he's not on this one.
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  Very confused schedule start lists men's So you've set.
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  You have your man. Josh Phillips, Liam Boudin, Matt
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  Clark, Tim Vincent, Warren McDonald, Tom Dicano, Half 2.
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  Jimmy Whelan, Matt Buckle, Cam Myers, Isaac Kane, Ed Marks,
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  Connor LA Tooth, Ben Buckingham, Andre Waring, Zach for Joni.
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  Dave McNeil, Ed Trippus. It's stacked.
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  What the hell is the list I'm looking at then?
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  Because none of them are on it. I don't know.
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  The women's one I've just read out is probably completely
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  wrong. I'll get the women's one as well
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  here. So Leon Pampiani's on it.
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  Sarah Klein. Not real.
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  These are only the people I who I've heard of Caitlin Adams and
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  Bronte Oates more Marty Skyring Jenny Blondel so just 21 down
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  for the women and then 4041 for the men.
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  I'm looking at the start list for the Australian Cross Country
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  Championships in Ballarat in August last year.
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  In Spain. Oh geez, well thanks for helping
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  me out there. But yeah, that is so stacked.
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  And I think Stromlo, that's like a man made like country, cross
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  country course, it's like built for cross country, isn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah, looks beautiful. I've not run it.
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  I've ran cross country Nationals back in 2004.
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  I think it was in Canberra, but I don't think it was there.
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  Have you seen the coverage of the of that in the past when
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  when it's been at nationals? No.
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  It's beautiful. Looks very nice, like, you know,
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  well, cut some hills, but not too hilly.
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  But yeah, a little bit like, yeah, not how you would like it.
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  You wouldn't probably call it cross country.
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  It looks like how some of those American cross country races are
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  when they're all like golf courses.
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  Kind of like, is it rolling hills like that?
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  Like just constant little zaps of your legs and then get
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  rolling off them and thrown into another one.
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  Yeah, there was a did I have, Was it when when we hosted cross
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  country world champs in Bathurst?
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  Was the selection race perhaps, Was that at Stromlo?
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  Perhaps? I think, and I remember in the
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  men's race, Rams and went off the front and he ended up
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  getting caught by I think Jack Rayner maybe in the end.
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  But yeah, I don't know. It was good racing.
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  It, I don't know, seems to produce good, good racing.
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  Like because of the hills it breaks it up, but it's very good
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  on the R. Like Cam Myers would know that
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  course like the back of his hand, he'd know it so, so well.
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  Like no one to go went to take it easy.
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  So yeah, it's going to be so good.
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  It's interesting that he's put himself in the main open 10K
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  race because there's obviously the mixed relay team where the
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  only run. Is it like a 2K or something?
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  Yeah. And you obviously he, you would
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  have thought he'd be more suited to that.
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  But he clearly fancies himself making the team and I don't
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  blame him. I think there's six spots, so
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  I'm sure even if he doesn't bloody like win the race, he'll
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  get in into the team of 6. Yeah, I'd say this is a free
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  hit. Be a tricky choice because I
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  think you're like in terms of a world cross country medal, like
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  you're at far greater odds in the mixed relo.
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  But if Jess hollers on the team. But I think, yeah, that a lot of
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  the prestige right is in the the open race top 20, you would
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  hope. So prediction then, do you think
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  Cam Myers or Morgan McDonald finishes higher?
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  Like that's the ultimate crossover isn't it?
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  Because Morgan McDonald's like a true distance guy.
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  Wait, who do you think wins that?
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  Then I'll say them name, say the names again.
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  So you've got Seth O'Donnell, you've got Josh Phillips, Liam
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  Boudin, Tim Vincent, Morgan McDonald, Tom Dicano, Have to
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  Jimmy Whelan and Cam Myers, Isaac Kane, Ed Marks, Zac
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  Faggione. They're like, they're probably
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  the main ones. It's so hard to pick.
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  Cheers, who you going with I'd. Probably go set.
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  You know, I think Seth he's got the speed, he's got the stamina
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  and I'd say he just loves cross country as well.
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  So got. That dog in him for the cross
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  country. Then you've got half two as well
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  who's just an absolute like I go set or have to.
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  You'd think Seth will be like doing rain dances.
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  He wants it as as ugly as you. Yeah.
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  But Seth is born at 2001. I did not think he was that
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  young. I think he and have to used to
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  do the Victoria Xer scene as well, so they'll be well used to
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  slogging it out in mad conditions with these lots.
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  Well, I'd be tempted to go have to with his form then.
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  McDonald's a bit of a wild card because you don't know what sort
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  of shape he's going to be in with his change to the new to
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  the new training and stuff. But you'd imagine if he's coming
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  all the way from the US, he's obviously going to be pretty
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  confident that it's going to be justified.
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  I'll stick with half 2. Yeah, I'll go set.
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  No, you have to go somewhere else.
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  Once you for picking last used to always sitting on the fence.
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  I think after is probably the favorite, right?
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  He won the didn't he win the Melbourne half recently?
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  He's run a minute quicker than like I was thinking maybe Jimmy
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  Whelan as a ruffie, but he's have to run a minute quicker
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  marigami than what Jimmy Whelan ran at Valencia.
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  And he's clearly very fit, ran very well at Sydney.
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  Marathons are clearly very strong.
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  Yeah, but that's irrelevant. That's that.
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  Like this is on grass over hills, pancake flower.
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  Yeah, but he ran well at Sydney, which was over hills.
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  Half 2 is about 50 KS. You're going to float over it.
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  You think, yeah, probably. Actually you have to go half 2.
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  Think so. I think he would be the one if
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  you were to pick one. Pat Tiernan as a ruffy.
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  I don't think. He's on there.
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  No. Oh, he's not on the list, Susie,
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  have to go, have to have to like you said on have to assess,
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  right. No takers for calm then.
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  All right, I'll go Cam. Tim Tim Vincent ran that point
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  to Pinnacle, so he's conditioned over hills.
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  Well, I only ran the the Perth half, So what a what a better
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  leading. That's the the all the great in
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  the world. Yeah.
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  Did you see that Perth Marathon Running Festival reopened its
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  entries for next year but on their Instagram?
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  So the the most recent post is like the entry is open or sold
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  out and then the one prior is something about entries from
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  this year's race. But we still don't know who run
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  who won this year's race as per their Instagram and the selling
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  entries of next year. They didn't post the winners.
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  No, I did. I commented off my personal as
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  well saying like on on this one, saying that they released the
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  entries saying you received some feedback from WA running pod and
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  from easy double that might be like useful that any plans to
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  acknowledge it and it got blanked.
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  But they replied to another comment who said like what time
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  do the entries open or something.
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  That goes to show just what a boom running's in.
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  Yeah, they don't need the feedback.
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  Who are we saying for the women's race?
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  I guess Leanne's stand out, you reckon?
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  Let. Me just get these ones back off.
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  So how it works is the six people that will be on the team,
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  but the top 4, this is when it comes to the actual world cross
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  country race, which is what this is the selection race for.
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  So there'll be six women, six men, six women representing
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  Australia, representing Ireland, representing Team GB.
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  Well, hopefully if GB fill the spots and the 1st 4, the highest
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  4 finishes of those six will count towards a cumulative team
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  score. So although you may be selected
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  to make the team, you might not actually score for the team.
• 24:18
  So that would be an unfortunate position to be in rarely, but I
• 24:22
  mean, still you've got the best so.
• 24:27
  Is there anyone like Big missing from the women's race or is that
• 24:31
  all Australia have? Well, is he going to Valencia?
• 24:35
  Isn't she? And so is Jess Stenson.
• 24:43
  And Jen Gregson. And Jen Gregson.
• 24:49
  Yeah, to be honest, I can't look past Leon here.
• 24:53
  I know your mom Maudie Sky rings fit, but like, not Leon Poppiani
• 24:57
  fit. So I'd probably go Leon 1,
• 24:59
  Maudie 2 and then between Caitlin Adams and Bronte Oates
• 25:03
  for 3rd. Yeah.
• 25:06
  I tend to agree with you on what you've said there.
• 25:09
  And to be honest with you, I think the women's race might be
• 25:12
  a bit easier to kind of see through those results.
• 25:15
  But we shall see. Anything can happen on the cross
• 25:18
  country I guess. I think it's again, it's a bit
• 25:21
  crazy like me for my cross country, I just have to like
• 25:24
  drive like 3 hours up north. Whereas like I don't think
• 25:29
  there's anyone from Perth down to run in the men's race because
• 25:34
  you'd have to pay like couple £100 for flights over to the
• 25:37
  other side of Australia. Which sort of put things into
• 25:40
  perspective of how lucky we are to live in a small island rather
• 25:45
  than Australia, which is absolutely ginormous.
• 25:51
  Yeah, it is a bit annoying because I remember looking and I
• 25:54
  don't even think you can fly direct from but that's more
• 25:58
  Perth's fault than cameras fault I think because Perth isn't the
• 26:04
  most well connected like that. Like do it.
• 26:07
  Was it the bluff to boat ramp you'd done that race last year?
• 26:09
  I've seen they were like putting entries out and stuff the other
• 26:13
  day. So the quick look and you have
• 26:16
  to fly through Melbourne or whatever.
• 26:18
  You done that, didn't you? Yeah, you have to get a layover
• 26:22
  in Melbourne and then Melbourne to Tasmania, which, yeah, it's
• 26:26
  just super expensive to get around for like a race that you
• 26:29
  might even, well, you're highly unlikely to win.
• 26:32
  Like it's just dead, like you're in a loss from the off.
• 26:35
  Even though do you get money for winning this race?
• 26:36
  Because, you know, I don't need to get money for the Irish
• 26:39
  nationals. I wouldn't say so because it's
• 26:43
  like a specific selection race. Like it's not even just
• 26:46
  nationals. Yeah.
• 26:49
  So it'd be hard to justify, like I would have loved to do cross
• 26:53
  country when I was in Australia last year, but it's just hard to
• 26:59
  justify the cost to fly. I think that year was in
• 27:03
  Tasmania. I like to fly to Tasmania, yeah.
• 27:10
  Just on Perth though, saying a few things that you know, in
• 27:13
  terms of the downside, did you hear the Coffee Club podcast
• 27:17
  this week and Ollie Hall's mention of places, places he'd
• 27:23
  like to live? Yeah, I heard that he gave Perth
• 27:27
  a big a big hype up, didn't he? He did.
• 27:31
  I was. I was pretty shocked.
• 27:34
  But NASA is quite nice is very complimentary so human is that
• 27:38
  his teammate Carl Robinson who both where's car from maybe
• 27:42
  Queensland and. Brisbane, yeah.
• 27:45
  Yeah. And all this from Sydney, I
• 27:47
  think. Is that right?
• 27:49
  Yeah, but like, I feel like part is so underrated and I don't
• 27:53
  know why no one writes it. I think it must be because it's
• 27:56
  so far away from everything. It's like one of the most
• 27:58
  isolated cities in the world because it's got lovely parks,
• 28:01
  it's got lovely weather, it's got lovely beaches and it's like
• 28:05
  literally all you want and a place to live.
• 28:09
  Yeah, good coffee. It used to have affordable
• 28:12
  housing. Well, that's only heading in One
• 28:13
  Direction. And they did caution about the
• 28:16
  with the FIFO workers, didn't they?
• 28:19
  They made a mention of. I think they might have actually
• 28:22
  mentioned British FIFO workers. What you say?
• 28:29
  He was saying that they were slagging off British FIFA
• 28:32
  workers. I said no, it was the Irish.
• 28:34
  No, it's definitely British and we are definitely different.
• 28:38
  Two different things. Irish are not British.
• 28:42
  I had something to say on the back of that and it's just
• 28:44
  slipped out my mind. But you were telling me about
• 28:46
  this earlier that he's, he's speaking from experience as
• 28:50
  well, isn't he? Because he was here for
• 28:52
  nationals this year and I could see, to be fair, how well I get
• 28:57
  the feeling from listening to him on the coffee club.
• 29:00
  He seems like a pretty chill and laid back guy so he would blend
• 29:04
  right into the lifestyle here. Yeah, I think he was picking up
• 29:08
  on some of the nice parts. I mean the podcast called Coffee
• 29:11
  Club. So commenting on good coffee,
• 29:14
  good beaches, good vibes, decent places to run.
• 29:16
  So can't agree with a lot of that, albeit that been some nice
• 29:22
  places to ride as well. It's just the sharks are the big
• 29:26
  downside, the things that can kill you, yeah.
• 29:32
  Be unlucky though. Would you be an ocean swim at
• 29:36
  the end or is she not really bother?
• 29:40
  No, I'm a little bit scared of sharks, to be truthful.
• 29:43
  But I mean, I think it's a fairly irrational fear.
• 29:46
  Like, it's not very likely, but I'm also not great in the pool.
• 29:50
  I gave up triathlon because Hal's beat me in one too many
• 29:53
  swim sessions and I spat the chewy and went back to running.
• 29:55
  So. Yeah, it's not very likely, but
• 29:59
  the fact that there is a chance at all kind of justifies your
• 30:02
  fear, I think. Yeah, I've done a few summers of
• 30:05
  tries, and as soon as you jump in the water, that Jaws music
• 30:08
  starts playing in your head for the first few minutes until you
• 30:11
  chill out. I think it's just the kind of
• 30:15
  like perception or like the because lots of people are quite
• 30:19
  chill about it and I reckon it's just because the surfers and
• 30:22
  stuff are just kind of like tapped.
• 30:24
  Like they just literally don't care, do they?
• 30:27
  Therefore, that rubs off onto some people who will like swim
• 30:30
  and stuff and they'll see, oh, the surfers are there so it's
• 30:33
  fine. But then you see there's this
• 30:35
  account on Instagram and he flies his drone up and down the
• 30:39
  metro beaches constantly and the amount of sharks that he gets
• 30:43
  like ridiculous footage of genuinely within 10 meters of
• 30:48
  the shoreline. Like some of the videos you can
• 30:50
  see people stored on the water's edge and the dogs like 5 meters
• 30:54
  deep paddling and five meters further out is a bloody tiger
• 30:58
  shark or a great white, whatever it may be.
• 31:00
  And probably following that account is the best thing I've
• 31:05
  done from my own safety perspective because it makes me
• 31:08
  think twice about going deeper than my knees.
• 31:11
  But the worst thing that I've done from enjoying the beach
• 31:14
  perspective because now I just sit there Bacon.
• 31:18
  But I feel like Aussies don't really use just all so laid back
• 31:22
  and chill like when the big storms come and hit the coasts,
• 31:25
  like that's when all the surfers go out and surf because the
• 31:29
  waves are massive when like any other person would be like, no,
• 31:33
  that looks a bit dangerous. The waves are like ginormous.
• 31:37
  We'll, we'll stay out of this. You'll be right mate.
• 31:43
  There was a guy on the news down Margaret River like last weekend
• 31:46
  I think it was then if you seen it then.
• 31:48
  The wind, the windsurfer, yeah, yeah, he's like just fucking
• 31:52
  came up and grabbed me and I was wrestling with it on my on my
• 31:56
  sail. He's got this huge bite mark out
• 31:59
  of the side of his of his board. Literally about 20% of the
• 32:03
  board, Sean. But somehow I'm not a scratch on
• 32:07
  him. He's very lucky.
• 32:10
  He he must have been like a bit dazed or something when he's
• 32:12
  doing that interview because he's just like walking back to
• 32:15
  his car with his board on his shoulder, like happy days.
• 32:20
  Well, and I think he must have just been because it's one of
• 32:23
  those you're standing on it with A and it's got that sail and
• 32:26
  the, the board, you know. So he's just getting pushed
• 32:28
  along and it's obvious it must have.
• 32:30
  It's just come up and whacked, worked in this footage.
• 32:32
  Have you seen the footage of it? It's just on a lot.
• 32:38
  It's just like flapping about on top and the sharks obviously
• 32:41
  underneath and it's all all happening and yeah.
• 32:45
  He's pointing at the the bite mark and saying like, if my foot
• 32:49
  hadn't been there then it would have been taken off.
• 32:51
  And I'm like, well, yeah, no shit, Maze.
• 32:55
  It's a massive bite, isn't it? It's massive, yeah.
• 33:00
  I I don't know if we've spoken about this before, but you have
• 33:02
  do you ever is it, is it dorsal reports on Facebook?
• 33:07
  You get your own local ones. So they do like WA Sydney rah
• 33:11
  rah rah and it gives you, it notifies you whenever there's a
• 33:14
  shark sighting and you, it's all the time.
• 33:20
  It's. More regular than you'd you'd
• 33:22
  realise that it sort of keeps me on the land.
• 33:27
  Yeah, when I was in America, they had that, but it was for
• 33:30
  like guns. So like when I was in New York,
• 33:33
  I was just like, you're very off just not having the app because
• 33:35
  it actually sent you into a mad spiral.
• 33:39
  You wouldn't leave the house like when there's like gun
• 33:41
  attacks and all that sort of stuff.
• 33:43
  Shit. What would be the the one around
• 33:47
  Ireland in Dublin? What like sort of a let's would
• 33:50
  be going off just like gang related stuff?
• 33:53
  Not be like cattle out on the road or sheep out on the road.
• 33:55
  Watch out, there's actually a farmer around me that puts hives
• 33:59
  on a sheep because like they always just break out so on the
• 34:02
  road you see them. You should get a photo when you
• 34:05
  run in between them. You and your hive is them in
• 34:08
  this. Yeah, and bought what would be
• 34:11
  the big one? Random, I don't know.
• 34:12
  I'd say like knives or like drugs.
• 34:15
  I don't know, Like there's no guns over here.
• 34:18
  So if you see a gun, like, you're like, whoa, how did you
• 34:20
  get that? Yeah, so much going on over
• 34:24
  here. Yeah fair enough.
• 34:27
  I think similar for England. Lots of like knife crime and
• 34:31
  drugs related stuff as well. Pest not petty crime, but no
• 34:36
  sharks. No sharks or guns.
• 34:39
  Yeah. We're lucky that there's no
• 34:43
  Crocs though, could be worse. I remember when I got in the
• 34:49
  taxi first time I got to Broome and I was like dead excited
• 34:53
  asking the taxi driver about like sharks and stuff and he's
• 34:56
  like, ah don't worry mate, the Crocs take care of the sharks.
• 35:03
  When I was up in in Cairns, I went on a croc tour and they're
• 35:07
  like, yeah, you're better off just getting into no water
• 35:10
  because there's either sharks or crocodiles.
• 35:12
  Just just stay away. Just go to pills.
• 35:16
  It's so brutal because the beaches are beautiful, but
• 35:19
  they're just like. Or there's little jellyfish that
• 35:21
  can kill you within two hours. It's yeah, it's a bit nuts.
• 35:27
  We started off very well and thinking we might be able to get
• 35:30
  like Tourism WI on board or something here and gone to town
• 35:34
  on the dangers our backs are running.
• 35:39
  We digress. So I think only the top two from
• 35:45
  the selection trials are automatic spots.
• 35:48
  The rest are kind of discretionary based on, they've
• 35:51
  put loosely some standards out for which the remaining four
• 35:55
  places will be judged by, which is sub 29 for the men and sub
• 36:00
  3230 for the women. And currently there are plenty
• 36:05
  of men and women occupying these spots.
• 36:09
  So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays
• 36:11
  out there. We mentioned how deep the fields
• 36:14
  are. They're all fighting fair,
• 36:15
  essentially. There's only two spots
• 36:17
  guaranteed. I'm sure the performances who
• 36:21
  finished third and 4th and stuff will be like highly regarded and
• 36:24
  strongly considered as well. But yeah, interesting weekend
• 36:28
  ahead. It's on Friday night as well,
• 36:30
  which I don't know it's it's good from us being miles away
• 36:37
  and just being able to tune into results on a Friday night.
• 36:39
  But it's probably not a great experience for those who are
• 36:42
  travelling and racing it, especially for like people who
• 36:46
  are going to be taking leave off work and stuff to do this race.
• 36:49
  So do you want to tell us about what you know about Irish
• 36:54
  National Cross? Yeah, so Ireland isn't as good
• 36:59
  as putting out like who's running in the races, but I'd
• 37:04
  have a fair idea. So Irish.
• 37:08
  So the Australian one is 10K, but for some reason Europe,
• 37:11
  European cross country has moved down to 7.5 K, which is just
• 37:15
  like, I don't really get it. It's not really cross country.
• 37:19
  Cross country seem to be a hard long slog.
• 37:21
  So yeah, 7.5 K is like just strange enough to drop down the
• 37:25
  distance, but so the Irish one is then going to be 7 1/2
• 37:30
  kilometers as well. So the big hitters in the mail
• 37:34
  race would be the likes of Nick Griggs to use a probably be
• 37:38
  fairly familiar with. He's got I think he's got the
• 37:40
  park run world record because Savage under 23 out late.
• 37:44
  You've got Callum Morgan, who's his training partner.
• 37:46
  I think Efraim Good day is running, running in it.
• 37:50
  Stephen Scullion is down to running in a no Murphy from
• 37:53
  Tillamores down to run. Michael Power is down to run.
• 37:57
  Brian Faye is down to run Dara Mcelhenny, 13O2 guys down to run
• 38:02
  John Travers, who was like Irish running royalty.
• 38:05
  He's down to run Cormac Dalton and Paul O'Donnell, Jack
• 38:09
  O'Leary, Pierre Merchant. They're sort of the the big
• 38:14
  names in the in the mail side. And like, I genuinely couldn't
• 38:20
  call who out of them will win it.
• 38:23
  Like to be honest, I'm sort of mad I'm actually running in it.
• 38:26
  I'd love to like be on the sideline and just watch it.
• 38:30
  Where about like would you be ranked you reckon off like A5
• 38:34
  KPB or something? Genie Mac Well, I think in
• 38:38
  Ireland this year I'm like 48 or something in the 5K, so I
• 38:45
  really, really haven't. If I probably top 30 would
• 38:49
  probably be a good result for me.
• 38:53
  Yeah, like this year over every like this year super, super
• 38:57
  stacked because of like the world cross country aspect of
• 38:59
  it. Like I feel like everyone just
• 39:01
  comes out and like it's in the world cross countries in
• 39:02
  Florida. It just be like a savage
• 39:04
  experience so that like everyone comes out for that sort of
• 39:08
  thing. And because like I bet you
• 39:09
  €1,000,000 like more McDonald, Morgan McDonald would not be
• 39:13
  running Australian cross country if there wasn't a Worlds this
• 39:16
  year. Now, did you say that Darren
• 39:21
  Mcelhenney as part of those? Stylist.
• 39:25
  He'd be one of the favorites, yeah.
• 39:30
  And to put you on the spot, but did you listen to that interview
• 39:33
  at all the his coach done with the Sunday plug cast?
• 39:37
  Yeah, it was super interesting that like he sort of he became
• 39:41
  blunt or something in a way, didn't he?
• 39:42
  And they had to do a lot of was a VLVLM or like a different type
• 39:47
  of training, just fairly basically slim self alactic.
• 39:52
  Yeah, pretty bold call from his coach to like, take because they
• 39:56
  don't like physiological testing in the lab with some like
• 40:00
  Belgian guy, didn't they? And found that his anaerobic
• 40:04
  stuff was like his anaerobic system had basically become
• 40:07
  blunted because they've been hammering threshold work that
• 40:10
  much that basically couldn't like reach those high gears.
• 40:14
  And he didn't have change of paces at the end of the race and
• 40:16
  stuff. And then they like completely
• 40:19
  gambled basically and switched the season off and done.
• 40:23
  Three months worth of like, well, I intended it essentially
• 40:26
  as VO2 Max work and just went really specific on that in the
• 40:31
  middle of the season, which is a massive risk.
• 40:33
  But it obviously paid off massively for him because was he
• 40:37
  missed the standard by like a second or something, didn't he?
• 40:40
  But he still went competed at World Champs.
• 40:43
  He ran like 13O2 and the standard was 13 O1, which is so
• 40:47
  stupid. Like 13 O1 is such a stupid
• 40:49
  number. But yeah, basically he he do
• 40:52
  like really hard reps with like lot of recovery and again, yeah,
• 40:57
  just to get his body used to running hard and producing
• 41:01
  lactic. Yeah, super interesting.
• 41:03
  We should probably, umm, tag it, tag that interview in in our
• 41:08
  story or something, because it was really, really good.
• 41:11
  Yeah, his coach seems like a really switched on guy and very
• 41:15
  approachable and nice as well, so I did really enjoy the chest.
• 41:20
  And it'd be super interesting to see how the Wheelers get on now.
• 41:23
  Like what? Who were they with before him?
• 41:27
  Yeah, not sure to be fair. So it'd be interesting to see if
• 41:30
  they like kick on because what age are they?
• 41:33
  Are they getting old or like would they be moving up to the
• 41:35
  marathon anytime soon? I.
• 41:38
  Think that's what they kind of said, didn't they?
• 41:39
  Eventually the goal with them would be to take them to the
• 41:43
  marathon. But I think he did say maybe
• 41:45
  focus on five and 10K for now. Still, they've still got a
• 41:49
  chance at that. Yeah, I suppose.
• 41:52
  Yeah. It was also one of the
• 41:54
  interesting points that he made was talking about like the
• 41:58
  dynamic of the set up across different like pro teams and
• 42:03
  well, different coaching groups in Irish athletics where he said
• 42:08
  like they all kind of come together to go to training camps
• 42:12
  and they almost operate like one of these pro teams, like on or
• 42:16
  like New Balance, but it's under like the Irish Afflecks banner.
• 42:22
  They have their own individual training groups, but then they
• 42:25
  merge to go on these training camps.
• 42:28
  Yeah. So Ireland has like this like
• 42:30
  distance squad, whereas if you run there's like 3 different
• 42:34
  levels. If you like, if you're super
• 42:36
  fast and like getting close to medals and all, you get all that
• 42:39
  for free. If you then there's another
• 42:42
  level below that where you get like some of the stuff paid for.
• 42:46
  And then there's a another level where I think it's 14.
• 42:49
  If you're on like 14 flat or just under 14, you have to, you
• 42:53
  can go on these camps, get access to them, but you have to
• 42:56
  fund all yourself. So and like there's certain
• 43:01
  coaches. So Emmett and Levy is a coach
• 43:03
  within that. Nick Riggs is a coach something
• 43:06
  Kirk, he's a coach within that. And they're basically just
• 43:09
  pushing that double threshold because it clearly works.
• 43:12
  Everyone underdog is doing it these days.
• 43:14
  So yeah, it's cool the way like they sort of merge and like
• 43:19
  they're all coming up against each other now on Sunday, but
• 43:22
  they would have trained together for like 3 or 4 weeks during the
• 43:26
  year, which is yes, it's cool. Is it always in the same
• 43:31
  location? As in the training camp.
• 43:36
  Sorry, the rates. No national changes every year,
• 43:42
  so the year the last two years have been up north.
• 43:46
  But let's say if you're Dara Mcelhenny, you're literally the
• 43:50
  other end of Ireland. So he's like a 6-7 hour drive up
• 43:54
  to Derry, which yeah, he'll be, even though he's based in Dublin
• 44:00
  I think. But yeah, it's just potluck.
• 44:03
  Like I'm pretty lucky I'm in the middle of Ireland, so anywhere
• 44:06
  is all right for me, boss. Yeah, if you're on either end.
• 44:13
  Pardon. As long as your car is working.
• 44:16
  Basically, yeah. So I'm going to head up on the
• 44:18
  Saturday early and just like, maybe like, jog when I'm up
• 44:21
  there and, yeah, I just get a feel for the place.
• 44:25
  On the female side, you have got Fenella Ross came.
• 44:31
  Oh, she went 227 in New York Marathon.
• 44:35
  Just there you've got Mary Mohair, Claire Fagan, Danielle
• 44:37
  Donegan, Amy Green, E Richardson, Neval and Chelfin.
• 44:44
  Mary Mcglenn, who came second in Dublin Marathon.
• 44:48
  Fiona Everard, Alish Flanagan, Jodie McCann, Rochin Flanagan,
• 44:54
  IMA Mar, So a few of them are pretty sure a few of them are in
• 44:58
  America, so they're coming home for it.
• 45:02
  But you couldn't really look past Fenola Ross.
• 45:07
  She is just like a level above a lot of them.
• 45:12
  Danielle Donegan, she's actually going out with our Michael
• 45:14
  Honey. She's really good as well.
• 45:15
  She ran that Cardiff cross, she came.
• 45:18
  If they're 7th, I want to say so she's fit and I'm Marie McGlynn.
• 45:23
  She could still have the marathon in her legs.
• 45:26
  But yeah, Jodie McCann actually done a stint in Australia when I
• 45:32
  was over there. She trained a little bit with
• 45:34
  them on Oceana. She's now a night girl, but her
• 45:38
  brother is also a pro runner with them on Europe, so it'd be
• 45:43
  interesting to see how. She goes.
• 45:44
  Over over the muck. But yeah, that's the Irish cross
• 45:49
  country. I I'm not sure if all of these
• 45:51
  are going to be running like this is just a little page I
• 45:53
  found. But yeah.
• 45:56
  So with Ireland, I think top five will top two or three
• 46:01
  definitely get on the team and then it goes to discretionary
• 46:06
  spots for the others. It's the selectors pick.
• 46:09
  So yeah, super exciting. And I'm not even sure if there's
• 46:12
  a stream either, so I'll have to look into that.
• 46:17
  Is it an afternoon? Race or a more than one?
• 46:20
  On mine is eh I. Think mine's like quarter past
• 46:26
  it. Starts at 12 like.
• 46:27
  Mine's the last race, mine's at 1450 and there is 123456789
• 46:34
  races minus the 10th race so. Yeah, highly likely that it
• 46:40
  will. Be an absolute mud bath so you
• 46:43
  don't. Have to stay over or anything
• 46:45
  you. Just like you said, you go up
• 46:46
  that morning and come back that evening.
• 46:49
  No, I'll go up then. Day before.
• 46:51
  And stated I wouldn't fancy like driving for three hours and then
• 46:54
  just trying to run a race. It's just you're better safe and
• 46:57
  sorry than just go up on the Saturday.
• 46:59
  Chill out. Maybe see?
• 47:01
  If you can get on the course, just jogger.
• 47:04
  But yeah, yeah, I always try. Even for like Valencia.
• 47:08
  I was Valencia 10K. Next year I was going to like do
• 47:11
  a business trip and literally fly on the Saturday and then
• 47:17
  race on the Sunday. But like my coach was like, the
• 47:20
  flight could still be in your legs.
• 47:21
  Like you're way better off just like going an extra day.
• 47:24
  So now I'm flying on the Friday. So I Saturday to like get used
• 47:27
  to everything and then Sunday race.
• 47:29
  You're better off giving yourself more time than less
• 47:32
  like. We thought that into America
• 47:36
  Army this year. Yeah, Ryan pulled.
• 47:39
  Another bag, huh? Like on send.
• 47:43
  On send into bakery into I don't know a.
• 47:49
  Few slices of sushi. Sashimi and then bang magic of
• 47:54
  the. Onsen, The Magic of the.
• 47:55
  Onsen, the actual place. My Barber, actually.
• 48:00
  Right. I was getting my hair.
• 48:01
  Cut and my barbers. Talk.
• 48:03
  He likes to talk shoes. He worked in a Nike store back
• 48:05
  in the day. And he's, he doesn't do any
• 48:09
  running at all, but quite trendy as barbers often are.
• 48:14
  And he's like talking about the vapour flies.
• 48:17
  And he's like, have you seen the ones with the red flames on the
• 48:19
  sides? And I'm like, yeah, I'm familiar
• 48:22
  with the red flames on the side. So I'd never been, you know,
• 48:25
  ballsy enough to own a pair myself.
• 48:27
  But I know a guy like everything you've done Ryan on the day.
• 48:32
  On the day before that race would like was stupid, yeah and.
• 48:37
  I meant to What is he? Doing yeah, it was so casual.
• 48:44
  We're about 35 strides in the morning, you know, bailing all
• 48:48
  of that got off the got off the train.
• 48:51
  Onto the the bus to the race site to go and do the bib
• 48:55
  collection like almost off the flight and you you prepare
• 48:59
  rolled on here we just made. That was the day before you that
• 49:03
  just. Shake out, done.
• 49:04
  And Oh yeah, that was weighing heavily on me having to go and
• 49:08
  do that shake out and it was pissing down and freezing.
• 49:11
  I was genuinely thinking, what am I doing here?
• 49:13
  Like, I've trained for months for this race and travelled all
• 49:17
  this way and I'm doing a shakeout at like 6:00 PM the
• 49:20
  night before and I'm freezing. I'm going to be ill tomorrow.
• 49:24
  But somehow worked out. All right, put that down.
• 49:29
  The British national, well, not national, the British cross
• 49:33
  country selection trials for Europeans in Liverpool next
• 49:37
  weekend. Exciting news here.
• 49:40
  I think we're going to have some boots on the ground who will be
• 49:43
  spectating the race in person and hopefully able to join us to
• 49:47
  provide the review of the race and what they see and go on.
• 49:50
  So hopefully next week, next week's episode could be fun
• 49:54
  there. Regarding the start lists, they
• 49:58
  are out. However, you have to manually
• 50:01
  search people's names to like see if they're on there or not
• 50:04
  and in all the. Capacity of things that I have
• 50:08
  to do. I have decided I don't have
• 50:11
  capacity to do that, so I'm sure they'll be released this week.
• 50:15
  Or to be fair, they actually might not be released this week
• 50:18
  knowing how things operate, but in the past, like MO.
• 50:23
  Farah. Has run there so I'm sure it
• 50:27
  will be incredibly densely packed out in the field as well.
• 50:31
  I think I heard Mo Farah is running.
• 50:35
  No way. Well, I've got the capacity.
• 50:37
  To search Mo Farah and the startlessly isn't come up.
• 50:42
  Maybe I'll type Sarah. No, isn't come up?
• 50:46
  What about Muhammad? Well, Farah doesn't come.
• 50:49
  Up either, but no. Maybe it's going to be a late
• 50:52
  entry. But you heard it here first.
• 50:55
  It they're saving. Him like Bakili.
• 50:57
  I'm just going. To announce him in the race
• 50:59
  week, Yeah. Then he'll last like 2K.
• 51:04
  I'd say Mo Farah is absolutely. Wedged now with all the
• 51:08
  endorsements that like talk about Kipchogi, Farah's been
• 51:12
  doing it for years but hasn't been racing.
• 51:14
  He's just going around getting paydays and endorsements and
• 51:18
  sponsorship deals off absolutely everyone and he's a Sir, but you
• 51:25
  don't get paid for being a. Sir, do you don't know?
• 51:30
  Perhaps not formally. I have a master's degree, so
• 51:33
  really you should call me like. Master, which I think is a level
• 51:36
  above Sir, isn't it? Well if you ever meet them
• 51:42
  you'll have to tell them. I searched a male caress as
• 51:48
  well. He isn't on there but I was
• 51:51
  trying to think who else to. Search, but then I'm going to.
• 51:53
  End up all day searching names and then that kind of defeats
• 51:56
  the object of what I've just said.
• 51:58
  Well, with Philip Sessman. Now.
• 52:02
  He's doing Valencia any? Yeah, but would.
• 52:04
  That take it I think. It could still work.
• 52:09
  No, it doesn't come up. Do you want?
• 52:12
  To tell us about your. Training week how actually alpha
• 52:15
  man thought comes up. There you go found one person.
• 52:22
  It's it's a legit list. What would call Nelson?
• 52:29
  Be on that. Would he be doing that 2K
• 52:32
  equivalent that's. Already that that that thing was
• 52:35
  last week true Callum. Nelson's on good.
• 52:40
  Shot you've got. Rory Lanyard, you got Scott B.
• 52:43
  It's actually going to be pretty stacked as well.
• 52:46
  Rory Leonard's on there. Scott B.
• 52:48
  He's. On there.
• 52:48
  There you go, Team Macau. We're all no Adam Fogg fog.
• 52:54
  Dog. Said he was doing. 1/2 marathon
• 52:57
  in Philadelphia I think the weekend after next, if not next
• 53:02
  weekend and it was a nice mention.
• 53:05
  Of the pod on his latest YouTube vid.
• 53:08
  Yeah that was cool. We got the slot in between.
• 53:10
  Whilst he's commentating over his mate play in FIFA, I think
• 53:15
  as his mate goes 41 off he gives easy AA shout out.
• 53:18
  I think that's authentic. That way I appreciated it and
• 53:24
  some good insight. Into his shoe rotation.
• 53:26
  Like, and the shoes themselves. Yeah, I noticed you were.
• 53:33
  In the Under Armour. Before, as Adam Falk been
• 53:35
  sending you a parcel own I actually have a lot of Under
• 53:39
  Armour. Gear, surprisingly.
• 53:40
  And I love their rain jackets. They do this like storm rain
• 53:44
  jacket that actually keeps you dry because I know a lot of the
• 53:48
  other range like I have a few Nike and ASIC ones and they
• 53:50
  actually they do not do anything.
• 53:53
  Umm yeah, I've got a lot of half zips actually I've got my gloves
• 53:57
  are Under Armour. Some I have actually have a nice
• 53:59
  little collection of Under Armour and like you know, the
• 54:03
  body warmers. The Under Armour.
• 54:05
  Body warmers that like stick to your skin nearly.
• 54:09
  No, it's like umm, it's they normally have a high neck.
• 54:14
  And yeah, like they're super popular over.
• 54:16
  Here, like you actually called them under armours, Yeah.
• 54:20
  Oh yeah, yeah, sorry. So.
• 54:23
  Yeah, I've got a few. Of them because skin, we used to
• 54:26
  call them skins, yeah, yeah, we call them under armours here,
• 54:30
  ironically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:33
  So we actually. Have a good bit of underwear
• 54:34
  gear. No shoes yet?
• 54:37
  We call them skins because they were made from the.
• 54:40
  Skin product, right? Like that was the brand, is that
• 54:42
  what you're talking about? Right.
• 54:44
  Yeah. I mean, I don't know why it was.
• 54:46
  Called. Skins necessary?
• 54:49
  I thought it was because it was like stuck to your skin and
• 54:52
  looked like it was your skin. Wasn't there a brand though?
• 54:56
  Don't think. They penetrated the British
• 54:58
  market. Back when I was wearing them,
• 55:00
  there is a brand. There is a brand called Skins.
• 55:05
  As popular in in footy AFL, we'd wear a pair of skins.
• 55:13
  I suppose it's sort of like a second layer of skin, isn't?
• 55:15
  It Yeah. Oh, and before we get into
• 55:20
  training weeks. And talk about no doubt you're
• 55:23
  leading. Well, it's two weeks out from
• 55:25
  your race, but still we'll talk about it.
• 55:27
  I don't know if you've seen, you know, after your training week
• 55:30
  last week and you said about the attempted 4 by mile workout that
• 55:35
  you switched on the fly. And like Dean said about the the
• 55:40
  paces were pretty hot, aspirational and whatever.
• 55:44
  And you were quite harsh on yourself that you didn't hit
• 55:46
  them. Adam Fogg, did you see he done 7
• 55:50
  by a mile at similar paces in this video.
• 55:53
  Yeah. Way to make me feel shit, Adam.
• 55:58
  Sound. Well, you reckon he?
• 56:01
  Had your? Recap of your session, he
• 56:03
  thought. I'll just go out and blast seven
• 56:05
  of them. Well, I think, what was he in?
• 56:07
  He was hitting. For 40s was he?
• 56:09
  And then the last he got faster and faster and faster.
• 56:14
  Yeah, but. Adam fought.
• 56:16
  Yeah, I mean, he does have a 350.
• 56:18
  Mile or whatever under his belt. Yeah, so.
• 56:22
  He can have that one and secondary.
• 56:26
  To that for more. This is trying to make you feel
• 56:29
  better by the way, with these people doing these workouts was
• 56:33
  I don't know if you've seen Connor Mance, he's maybe injured
• 56:36
  as well. He's been doing like a lot of
• 56:37
  cross training on his Strava. So I was just like scrolling
• 56:40
  through, seeing to what extent he's been injured and how much
• 56:44
  cross training he's done and done.
• 56:46
  And then it came to one of his most recent sessions on November
• 56:52
  the 6th, 10 days ago. 5 by a mile.
• 56:57
  Your nose paces. What?
• 56:59
  Your target was what was your target?
• 57:02
  Wait, he's still running like last week?
• 57:04
  He still? Around 172 oh this week he done
• 57:06
  nothing this week was just 17 kilometers, but he can like.
• 57:11
  It's was it? You were going for I.
• 57:13
  Was going. I was going for four. 20 sixes
• 57:18
  was it? Let me just double check, but go
• 57:22
  on in there. I'll wait till.
• 57:23
  You. Oh no, I'll wait till.
• 57:24
  You've got an answer. But the context obviously being
• 57:27
  Connor Man's American North American record holder over the
• 57:31
  marathon done this 5 by a mile in.
• 57:35
  I'll tell you once you tell me what mine was 426 pace. 426
• 57:40
  shit. He's done these I think off to
• 57:43
  30 as well. IN438438434433432 add altitude.
• 57:53
  Well, yeah. Yeah.
• 57:57
  Probably with a group as well. But he he's a.
• 58:01
  He's a bit I'm going to. Calm out here on this one.
• 58:03
  Like he fair enough, he's kind of, but he literally ran.
• 58:08
  Did you not run a marathon pretty recently?
• 58:10
  Like he paced his girlfriend or something or his wife after
• 58:14
  doing a marathon? Yeah, he paid.
• 58:18
  He paced his wife. To win, Yeah.
• 58:21
  When was his? How long after it would that
• 58:23
  have been like 3 weeks or something?
• 58:24
  I mean, they ran 2:45, so it would have been.
• 58:27
  It's not about the time. It's not about the.
• 58:29
  Time, it's like it's still 42 kilometers in your legs, like,
• 58:34
  yeah. And now he's injured.
• 58:36
  Yeah, playing on the wall. Fucking hell, Connor.
• 58:41
  And he spells his name. Really weird, doesn't he CONNE
• 58:43
  or is that normal? Yeah, definitely.
• 58:47
  How do you spell your name? I take a back.
• 58:55
  And take a back. Our.
• 58:59
  Correspondent for Liverpool. Cross country next week has a
• 59:02
  son called Connor spell like months.
• 59:07
  The did you see? The on one.
• 59:09
  Of the photos, there's people holding up signs saying like
• 59:13
  months don't poo your pants. That's a good one.
• 59:19
  Anyway, right? Give us some training talk, some
• 59:21
  real. Run.
• 59:23
  So I took. The Monday totally off after the
• 59:28
  flight and just I was probably due at rest day anyway, so I
• 59:32
  took that Monday totally off and the Tuesday then I, I wore the
• 59:41
  Puma Magmax for the first time. I bought that when I was in in
• 59:46
  Spain. So I came home to that and it's
• 59:48
  basically just like a Max cushion shoe and it was really,
• 59:53
  really nice to run in and I wore it there yesterday as well.
• 59:57
  And it's probably my favorite shoe.
• 1:00:02
  It's nice you can get moving in well, like.
• 1:00:04
  I think for this run on the Tuesday morning for 5 minutes or
• 1:00:08
  4 eighteens and yeah it was it was a really, really nice ride.
• 1:00:13
  Really liked it. What from?
• 1:00:16
  Like the Nike or the? ASICS range?
• 1:00:19
  Would you compare it to from? The Nike.
• 1:00:23
  Range I'd probably go. I haven't tried the Romero Plus,
• 1:00:27
  but like it's a big chunk of foam.
• 1:00:30
  Basically. I've nothing like the shoe in my
• 1:00:32
  like sort of rotation. So I sort of like wanted to
• 1:00:34
  cover like a recovery shoe Max cushion for when my legs are
• 1:00:38
  beat up. And yeah, so probably like, I'm
• 1:00:41
  not sure how soft of Romero Plus is, but something similar to
• 1:00:45
  that like Max cushion. Like I want to say this one
• 1:00:47
  isn't super soft, but it's just got a lot of foam to like take
• 1:00:50
  the brunt, which I like. So yeah, highly recommend.
• 1:00:56
  And that evening then? I went so Ireland now it's like
• 1:01:02
  super, super dark. So I'm finished work.
• 1:01:04
  It's pitch black. So I sort of have to find like
• 1:01:08
  alternate routes like run because they don't want to get
• 1:01:11
  hit by a car or a tractor. So I actually went from work, I
• 1:01:15
  went like further north, basically further away from my
• 1:01:18
  house to a place called Drata. And there is a little strip
• 1:01:22
  there that's all lit like alongside a river, so like
• 1:01:26
  pancake flat and it's all lit. So it's probably where I'll do a
• 1:01:30
  lot of my training from now on. I'll just head in from work.
• 1:01:32
  But the session was 2 by 15 minutes off 5.
• 1:01:38
  What were the? Paces I hitting these I'm
• 1:01:40
  pretty. Sure it was just 310 for like
• 1:01:42
  the 15 minutes consistently. It averaged at around 3:10,
• 1:01:47
  Yeah, so. And the float was just chilling,
• 1:01:49
  like shuffling. And I wore the Adidas Boston 12
• 1:01:53
  for that session and that was along with like a warm up on
• 1:01:57
  them cool, 3 minute warm up, terminal cool down.
• 1:02:01
  I mean 3K warm up, 3K cool down. They the Boston.
• 1:02:05
  Tolls were good. Enough to do that sort of
• 1:02:08
  effort. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Did. They've got these like carbon
• 1:02:13
  rods or something in them. So yeah, a lot easier to do with
• 1:02:17
  them in that than the nice structures I was using in Spain
• 1:02:21
  and. Normally I like.
• 1:02:24
  This is probably a Dick move, but normally on my Strava I just
• 1:02:28
  have a like set to like my followers can see it and I don't
• 1:02:31
  have a like set to anyone. But I seen that this one was
• 1:02:35
  relatively was relatively good going.
• 1:02:37
  So like for 10 for 10.2 K average like 318 pace.
• 1:02:41
  So I said it to like public. When it does this, you can get
• 1:02:47
  all the crowns. So yeah, I got like 2 crowns,
• 1:02:56
  yeah, so. Great run, people in Drive are
• 1:03:00
  probably like what the hell if anyone's within striking.
• 1:03:03
  Distance of. This town, please strike.
• 1:03:09
  It's that I think. People do?
• 1:03:10
  No, definitely. Not 5 segments 100.
• 1:03:13
  Percent. It is, yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Oh yeah, that's what kept me kept.
• 1:03:16
  Me running through. COVID was literally just finding
• 1:03:19
  straights of had not run down and sprinting during a job you
• 1:03:25
  know? On if you have Strava.
• 1:03:27
  Premium because I don't customer Lynchburg can you can you see
• 1:03:32
  like could I click onto one of your profiles and see what
• 1:03:35
  crowns you hold? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  So I could. Deliberately go and target.
• 1:03:40
  Not that I'd be able to get them, but like yours there's a
• 1:03:43
  I'm pretty sure and I'm assume. It still exists, but there's a
• 1:03:46
  website and it'll tell you what your closest crowns are.
• 1:03:49
  So like what you could you could.
• 1:03:51
  You should prioritize based on how close you are to cracking
• 1:03:54
  crowns. I used to frequent it back in
• 1:03:57
  the. Day but back.
• 1:03:58
  When Strava was far less popular, like it was originally
• 1:04:01
  just a lot of cyclists on there, not as many runners.
• 1:04:03
  But when I was getting into it, the thought of just chasing
• 1:04:07
  Strava segments was my form of running really right.
• 1:04:12
  It's devastating. And if you if you ever have one.
• 1:04:14
  From like years ago in a place where you don't run anymore and
• 1:04:18
  then you get the e-mail or like somewhere where you're on
• 1:04:20
  holiday and you're never going to run it again or it actually
• 1:04:24
  annoys. Me when the.
• 1:04:25
  Person who has the crown has clearly like rid a bike or drove
• 1:04:29
  a car. Yeah, that's I.
• 1:04:32
  Used to. I used to place them because you
• 1:04:35
  could flag the activities. You can go into that person's
• 1:04:38
  activity and flag it. Now I don't think you can even
• 1:04:40
  do it through your phone. You have to do it through
• 1:04:42
  desktop. And there's just too many now
• 1:04:45
  because there's certain popular segments that people always ride
• 1:04:48
  along and don't change their activity type.
• 1:04:51
  I mean, I think Strive is getting better, but yeah, I've
• 1:04:54
  I've given up over time. Ryan, you'll probably know us
• 1:05:00
  now. And when you just get.
• 1:05:01
  Back training, there's this same hilly mile loop that we done and
• 1:05:08
  me and Dean, what was the session?
• 1:05:09
  It was like 5 by a mile or something.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah. Bush miles and I, I actually.
• 1:05:15
  So Dean beat me in the last mile, but his satellite was off.
• 1:05:20
  So I actually have this segment in it.
• 1:05:23
  I got a joke when he gets going. Yeah, it was like.
• 1:05:29
  I I, I've rinsed that segment. I gave everything for that, for
• 1:05:33
  that, knowing what I was doing, timing it.
• 1:05:37
  And somehow Strava's robbed me. Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  And then and now. I know.
• 1:05:43
  It's on your hit list. And Wednesday morning I just.
• 1:05:49
  Got out so I don't like a 30 minute bike and then straight
• 1:05:52
  after that I got out for like 35 minutes.
• 1:05:54
  So a bit of a mix of I didn't want to go out and do like a big
• 1:05:58
  long run because I'm sort of conscious that I have a lot of
• 1:06:02
  like work in my legs that I'm just trying to get out with the
• 1:06:05
  race now next week. So yeah, I done 30 minutes on
• 1:06:08
  the bike and then 35 minutes run straight after 7 kilometers are
• 1:06:12
  like 430 pace and. The next morning was just. 2
• 1:06:17
  easy ones and again an easy double.
• 1:06:20
  Just chilling. Friday was because I had Monday
• 1:06:24
  off. I am ran on Friday morning.
• 1:06:30
  What date was Friday? The 14th?
• 1:06:32
  So yeah 40 minutes and 4:30 fives 8.7 kilometers.
• 1:06:37
  Then that evening then I got a massage.
• 1:06:41
  I seen my physio for the first time just to get massage and
• 1:06:45
  which is like a staple. Now on my.
• 1:06:47
  Routine every week. Just get massage, you know,
• 1:06:51
  sometimes. After a massage your muscles.
• 1:06:53
  Will like ache more so than they did before, but like in a good
• 1:06:56
  way almost your legs like conditioned to that now or you
• 1:07:00
  still get that sort of feeling. I'm getting there.
• 1:07:03
  It takes a while, but. Like I feel like after massage.
• 1:07:07
  I do feel so. So good, so because I've been
• 1:07:11
  getting this now like for the last like 2 months.
• 1:07:13
  So it's sort of like, yeah, I'm sort of seeing the benefits now.
• 1:07:16
  And like soon when I start doing more intense work, he'll start
• 1:07:19
  like normally it's just the legs.
• 1:07:20
  But he says like when you start doing more intense work, I'll
• 1:07:23
  he'll start doing my back as well.
• 1:07:24
  Because I think a back is like a neglected part of like a
• 1:07:27
  runner's body where people just concentrate on the legs.
• 1:07:29
  But the back like sort of very, very important as.
• 1:07:33
  Well, so. He'll start working into that
• 1:07:35
  pretty soon. Sorry, keep sidetracking because
• 1:07:39
  I don't really have. Too much running to talk about.
• 1:07:41
  But when I get a massage, I always go go to the I was going
• 1:07:45
  to say Asian places, but then that was going to sound dodgy.
• 1:07:48
  The, the legit Asian ones in the in the shopping centres, very,
• 1:07:52
  very legit and above board. So I can use my, so I can use my
• 1:07:58
  health insurance because in the illegitimate ones, I'm sure they
• 1:08:01
  don't accept health insurance anyway.
• 1:08:06
  So then they at the start they say like what you want or
• 1:08:09
  whatever. And I always say like lower back
• 1:08:12
  and legs. And then they proceed to just
• 1:08:14
  give me a full body Thai massage either way, you know, like they
• 1:08:18
  do hands and everything and like your ears and your scalp.
• 1:08:21
  And I'm like, well, what's the point of me actually telling you
• 1:08:24
  I like, I don't care for any bloody arm massage.
• 1:08:28
  Please just spend that time on my legs.
• 1:08:30
  But they just don't anytime. Yeah, that's why you should go
• 1:08:34
  to like a. Sports.
• 1:08:35
  Masseuse I. Need to make use of this health
• 1:08:40
  insurance? Yes, it's not bad.
• 1:08:42
  You can still claim. It.
• 1:08:43
  No. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:08:46
  Probably you can. Yeah, you can.
• 1:08:47
  You can claim that rate, but that.
• 1:08:49
  Massage rebate is claimable at most.
• 1:08:57
  Most providers like. CB Echo sports massage.
• 1:08:59
  And all those places say they give you health care rate at OK,
• 1:09:04
  I'll. Maybe I'll switch.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah, I went to the CB1 a couple of times.
• 1:09:08
  They're pretty good. They've got like 50 masseuses as
• 1:09:10
  well, so you're always guaranteed nearly to get on
• 1:09:14
  Saturday. Morning I.
• 1:09:16
  Sort of had my well jam just threshold the higher end of
• 1:09:19
  threshold 3 by 10 minutes off 5. And then yeah, it was one of
• 1:09:24
  those mornings when you look outside the window, it's pissing
• 1:09:27
  rain and you're like, how do I like even go about staying dry?
• 1:09:31
  So I really just bring like 3 like pieces of like outfits, one
• 1:09:37
  for the warm up, one for the session and one for the cool
• 1:09:39
  down. There's no point to put on wet
• 1:09:41
  clothes. You'll just get sick or
• 1:09:42
  something. So yeah, 3 by 10 minutes off 5
• 1:09:47
  again averaging I'd say around 3 tens, 39 distance, 11.2 K the
• 1:09:52
  pace, average pace for the whole thing was like 320 threes.
• 1:09:56
  So and that was feeling, feeling pretty good.
• 1:09:59
  So I'm trying to get them paces to feel to feel a little bit
• 1:10:03
  easier. And then that evening I done 45
• 1:10:09
  minutes in the mag Max again, the Puma mag Max 10K at 4
• 1:10:15
  thirteens and I'm yet to get out and do my long run.
• 1:10:19
  I'll see about that. Just I don't even have it's only
• 1:10:21
  70 minutes. The taper has sort of started.
• 1:10:24
  So but again, yeah, that mag Max we've got rolling in at 4
• 1:10:28
  thirteens. And like, normally my easy runs
• 1:10:31
  would probably be I'd say around four 30s, four 40s around then.
• 1:10:37
  But yeah, I don't know. It's there's a nice roll to
• 1:10:39
  them. Nice, right, Really, really like
• 1:10:41
  them. I'd really, I'd love to.
• 1:10:43
  I think I will get a pair of the the fast or threes.
• 1:10:47
  I'm tossing up between getting the ASIC ones.
• 1:10:49
  But see with the ASIC ones, I don't know which one to get.
• 1:10:52
  Like you hear two different things about the sky or the
• 1:10:55
  edge. Whereas with the Puma one, like
• 1:10:59
  it's just proven that it's meant to be good gummy bear.
• 1:11:09
  So yeah, that'll probably be my next running shoe I purchase or
• 1:11:14
  hopefully I'll get it for. Christmas.
• 1:11:15
  Wink, wink. But yeah, please, that's me.
• 1:11:20
  I'd say I'll hit around 100 and odd K this week.
• 1:11:23
  And yeah, it's all downhill from here go.
• 1:11:27
  Haze in the barn, that's. What they say, Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  Any idea what? Sort of pace might be.
• 1:11:34
  Race pace next week like it's 7. .5 kilometers.
• 1:11:39
  Like I feel if you're in luck, it totally depends on unfoat
• 1:11:44
  condition. Like if it was bone dry and it's
• 1:11:47
  around football pitches, it's basically like a track and then
• 1:11:50
  boys can hit like 2 fifties, two 40s.
• 1:11:53
  So I'd say if you're in like 40, I really, really, really don't
• 1:11:58
  have a clue. I'd be lying if I said I do.
• 1:12:01
  Like I want to say if you're in like heart race, pardon, you
• 1:12:04
  know, I. Go off, heart.
• 1:12:05
  Any way? Heart race or just fucking send
• 1:12:09
  it. I'm not going to wear a watch.
• 1:12:11
  Absolutely not play here. Hi, Ray Runner.
• 1:12:13
  I will literally. Cross country is a pure feel
• 1:12:16
  like there's no point. So yeah, absolutely send it.
• 1:12:22
  You guys didn't listen to the. Science of Sport podcast this
• 1:12:27
  week I've downloaded, haven't listened to it yet.
• 1:12:31
  They were talking about this. I forget the principle, but
• 1:12:35
  it's, and it's shocking that I can't remember the name of it,
• 1:12:38
  but it's basically talking about how there's certain things
• 1:12:42
  within our body that stop us from going too hard.
• 1:12:46
  But so and so you can take when you take certain stimulants,
• 1:12:50
  they override those functions to basically be able to take
• 1:12:53
  yourself to a place that you otherwise couldn't.
• 1:12:56
  I would say that that Owen. Will.
• 1:12:58
  You know, I suspect you'll be able to.
• 1:13:00
  And Ryan, I think you mentioned to me in that first ten KS in
• 1:13:04
  Maragami, I think that's what your reference was.
• 1:13:06
  So I'm thinking, oh, and we'll find a place of suffering
• 1:13:10
  without the need for a watch or a heart rate or anything like
• 1:13:12
  that. You'll just lock into that the
• 1:13:15
  right effort, won't you? On the weekend?
• 1:13:18
  That's literally the joy across country there's.
• 1:13:20
  No, there's no point of looking at all them training metrics
• 1:13:23
  like it's a race. It's totally different
• 1:13:25
  conditions outside of training. And yeah, just literally full
• 1:13:29
  sand hang on to the back of them boys for as long as possible.
• 1:13:33
  Exactly. What spikes?
• 1:13:38
  Oh, I've got these white. Dragonfly twos white for cross
• 1:13:42
  country yeah, I've put them in the I had to wash them twice
• 1:13:45
  now, but so they're not quite white, but I'm not bothered
• 1:13:49
  paying another couple £100 for for the cross country spikes.
• 1:13:54
  I literally like dragonflies with 15 mil spikes in them and
• 1:14:01
  yeah that will that'll be great. They wouldn't know.
• 1:14:03
  That's right. It's just.
• 1:14:05
  They've only four spikes. Instead of the traditional 6.
• 1:14:09
  But look, I don't like it's. I think it's all pretty
• 1:14:11
  irrelevant. Just fucking run fast, huh?
• 1:14:13
  Yeah, they're the ones with like the.
• 1:14:15
  Pink and orange stripe on the firm or I actually have them
• 1:14:20
  here beside. Me, yeah.
• 1:14:25
  I don't know why I have them here beside me.
• 1:14:27
  This is going to bed with. Them at the minute.
• 1:14:31
  Oh yeah. Hey there, decent Nick, given
• 1:14:33
  you've. Used them a bit, yeah.
• 1:14:37
  The key is to don't let the muck dry.
• 1:14:41
  You have to get into them. Like straight away.
• 1:14:43
  Just throw them in a bucket of war.
• 1:14:46
  Do they? Do they have your current?
• 1:14:47
  5 KPB in them, yeah. Yeah, that's what I wore for
• 1:14:51
  nationals. Trustee Spike.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah. So we'll see how they go.
• 1:14:57
  In the in the mock this weekend, it's actually going to be very
• 1:15:00
  cold next week in Ireland. I think it gets down to 0, so
• 1:15:04
  it'll be interesting to see if it's a hard or a wet muck on
• 1:15:09
  Sunday. But yeah, boys, that's me
• 1:15:13
  sleeves. Oh, we'll see.
• 1:15:14
  I might go to pennies. Or Primark as you'd call it and
• 1:15:18
  just pick up a pair like cheap gloves or something.
• 1:15:20
  I will wear arm sleeves and I'll just if I get too warm, I'll
• 1:15:23
  chop the gloves on the ground and normally like you like my
• 1:15:27
  family will be up there so I can just choke the arm sleeves to.
• 1:15:30
  I have these ideas, ones I got years and years ago so it
• 1:15:34
  wouldn't be the end of the world if I lost them, but I probably
• 1:15:36
  will. It depends on how cold it gets
• 1:15:37
  because I'm really bad in the cold as well.
• 1:15:39
  Well, like as in I feel the cold really bad, so I'm better off
• 1:15:42
  like being a little bit too warm than too cold.
• 1:15:48
  Nice. Well, good luck.
• 1:15:50
  Just I. Don't know where to wear split
• 1:15:51
  ease or half tights? That's the might be a bit might
• 1:15:55
  be a bit cold in the split. Ease.
• 1:15:57
  Yeah, I was thinking if it is cold, I'll wear half.
• 1:15:59
  Tights, but I do prefer prefer split ease.
• 1:16:04
  Yeah, boys, nice work looking. Forward to seeing how you get
• 1:16:08
  on. Thank you.
• 1:16:10
  Dean, let's hear about what you've been up to.
• 1:16:13
  How are you getting on on the journey back?
• 1:16:16
  Good. Yeah, I think it was a.
• 1:16:18
  Good week. So across the three.
• 1:16:24
  I. Rode 220 KS, ran 40 KS and was
• 1:16:30
  elliptical just under 2 hours. So terms of like Monday is just
• 1:16:36
  a couple of easy rides, a couple of.
• 1:16:37
  So I'm running 15 minutes morning and afternoon and then
• 1:16:41
  this weekend back to 20 minutes morning and afternoon.
• 1:16:45
  And yeah, sort of the least little to no discomfort, which
• 1:16:49
  is nice. So there runs today.
• 1:16:51
  Yeah, I didn't feel anything. Neither did I yesterday.
• 1:16:55
  I don't think I did Friday. So all pain free, which is a
• 1:16:59
  nice feeling. And yeah, just following like a
• 1:17:02
  slow reloading. So either just on the treadmill
• 1:17:05
  if I'm at home with the family, or just, yeah, 20 minutes or
• 1:17:08
  whatever before I jump on the bike, head to work if it's
• 1:17:13
  starting. To feel OK.
• 1:17:15
  The way it is now, is it hard to just stick to the 15 minutes and
• 1:17:19
  to keep the pace very slow or it was a little bit uncomfortable?
• 1:17:23
  Starting it and even like earlier in the week, like I did
• 1:17:27
  a harder bike session, I was a little bit sore after the bike
• 1:17:30
  interval. So I'm very conscious that if I
• 1:17:34
  push too hard. I might go backwards.
• 1:17:37
  So I'm just trying to load everything up I think.
• 1:17:40
  And like 15 minutes to 20 minutes is the biggest sort of
• 1:17:44
  incremental lift of a 5 minute block.
• 1:17:47
  I think once I get to say 30 to 35 and so on, you know, it'll be
• 1:17:53
  incrementally less. So in theory it should be less
• 1:17:56
  risky. So for these few weeks, I'm just
• 1:18:00
  being fairly careful. Even the treadmill paces aren't
• 1:18:03
  fast just because I just don't want to get sore.
• 1:18:06
  So. But everything feels good.
• 1:18:08
  My hip mobility feels quite good.
• 1:18:10
  I'm doing HIPAA hip mobility exercises.
• 1:18:12
  I'm lifting in the gym, like doing 2 longer gym sessions a
• 1:18:16
  week and then doing band work every other day and then just
• 1:18:21
  yeah, doing my easy runs in and around riding.
• 1:18:24
  So Tuesday was like an aerobic ride, Thursday was the intervals
• 1:18:29
  in Kings Park, and then Saturday was a a longer ride.
• 1:18:34
  We ended up doing 110 KS all up. So we did the regular group
• 1:18:40
  ride. We did, but we joined another
• 1:18:41
  group before then. Ryan and a friend of mine,
• 1:18:45
  Andrew and and I will did the an early bird ride that was an hour
• 1:18:50
  before the the main ride and we felt that, didn't we?
• 1:18:53
  We sort of probably gassed by the end.
• 1:18:56
  Certainly dead legs were popped. And they still are popped today.
• 1:19:00
  Oh and you remember when we used to meet at 6:00 AM or try to for
• 1:19:04
  a long run? Well, this 6:00 AM is a.
• 1:19:08
  Lion. For these cyclists, the Dean
• 1:19:10
  Others meeting at 5:30 AM yesterday and you actually get
• 1:19:14
  up for it. I was there like 5.
• 1:19:17
  Minutes early, bizarrely. How I was there on the?
• 1:19:21
  Dot, the problem with these right, is that they'll start and
• 1:19:30
  then like, you know, you get that 25% discount by sitting
• 1:19:34
  behind someone. So you, you sort of, if you are
• 1:19:37
  late, you're going to suffer to get back on the group if you
• 1:19:39
  can't get back on the group. So yeah, can't afford to be late
• 1:19:44
  to them where we would stand around in the car.
• 1:19:48
  Park until 6:05. There's no standing around on
• 1:19:51
  the bikes, they're just gone on the dot.
• 1:19:54
  We should be. It is a good way to be.
• 1:19:58
  But yeah, no training is going well.
• 1:20:00
  So everything was good. I enjoyed yesterday's ride in
• 1:20:03
  particular. Oh, I don't I don't get didn't
• 1:20:06
  count either. The 40 we we attempted.
• 1:20:08
  We'll talk about it a bit more I'm sure over the next few
• 1:20:10
  weeks. But we're trialling a products,
• 1:20:11
  weren't we today, Ryan and. Doing our best to try and get
• 1:20:16
  our heart rates up for some lactate testing that.
• 1:20:20
  And so that was a bit of fun as well.
• 1:20:21
  So yeah, it's probably the biggest, biggest week of
• 1:20:24
  training I've done in a while. Must be about 14-15 hours of
• 1:20:28
  exercise, which is good. I know you.
• 1:20:32
  Were checking in on you. What is it the metric called on
• 1:20:35
  the training peaks? Oh my CTL.
• 1:20:39
  Yeah, yeah. Has it never been?
• 1:20:44
  Yeah, it is. Yeah, so.
• 1:20:45
  My so my training load is yeah is not very good it's appalling,
• 1:20:51
  but my they have 3 scores you. Have like a fatigue.
• 1:20:56
  Score, fitness score and form score and the ratio between
• 1:20:59
  your, your fatigues, basically what sort of training load
• 1:21:01
  you've been under the last seven days.
• 1:21:03
  So you would be familiar with high fatigue during say that
• 1:21:05
  training camp, right? Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  And so you try your acute load is super high and what you want
• 1:21:11
  to do is keep your acute load above your current fitness level
• 1:21:15
  if you want to be building fitness essentially.
• 1:21:19
  And then what you do when you want to taper for a race is you
• 1:21:22
  start reducing your fatigue. But naturally then your form
• 1:21:26
  starts to improve because you're not as tired.
• 1:21:29
  But then at some point your fitness is going to come
• 1:21:30
  slightly off and it's trying to, that's what you're doing when
• 1:21:32
  you're trying to freshen up for a race is balance the trade off
• 1:21:35
  of a little bit of fitness. But there the uptick in form
• 1:21:38
  taper generally is worth more than a slight decline in
• 1:21:42
  fitness. But that obvious obviously not
• 1:21:45
  relevant for me right now. I'm just trying to pump up the
• 1:21:48
  the fatigue and and hold on. And yeah, this is the this is
• 1:21:52
  the highest, yeah, like form score I've got in a while, which
• 1:21:56
  you don't normally see numbers this big.
• 1:21:58
  So I've got to be careful. I'm probably ramping it up too
• 1:21:59
  quick. But anyway, having a go all in
• 1:22:04
  moderation. Whilst on the.
• 1:22:05
  Bike as as Andrew found out when he went to his Strava and looked
• 1:22:10
  at his training loads and it was like dum dum, dum, dum dum and
• 1:22:15
  like what, What have you been doing?
• 1:22:17
  He said. I, I just jump on the bike at
• 1:22:20
  home and usually ride at like 90 beats per minute.
• 1:22:24
  Dean's like mate, there's no point getting out of bed for
• 1:22:27
  that. Although I'd say.
• 1:22:29
  That. Off his the back of his ride
• 1:22:32
  yesterday would have had a decent training school, wouldn't
• 1:22:34
  he? Because he was this guy Dean's
• 1:22:37
  mate. He was.
• 1:22:37
  I said to him at the start, would you want to tell the
• 1:22:40
  stories in so? So he rode with.
• 1:22:43
  Us last week, Andrew. So I've known Andrew for a long
• 1:22:46
  time and he he has gotten fitter and fitter over time as a rider.
• 1:22:53
  And we did triathlons together back in the day was mainly
• 1:22:56
  riding and LA. And I mentioned about this group
• 1:22:59
  ride we're doing and so he said, yeah, look, I'll come along.
• 1:23:02
  So he came along last week, but he did this early bird ride
• 1:23:04
  beforehand. I think thinking that the ride
• 1:23:05
  we did was a bit easier than what it was and he was pretty
• 1:23:09
  unwell in fairness to him, but he did a heap of work early and
• 1:23:12
  then popped off the back and we didn't see him.
• 1:23:14
  He was just wrecked. And so he sort of had to crawl
• 1:23:17
  his way back to the Cafe and he did kindly get coffees for us,
• 1:23:20
  which was very kind. And so that was it, Nothing was
• 1:23:23
  said. And then at the start of this
• 1:23:25
  week, Ryan, who normally who doesn't really know Andrew all
• 1:23:28
  that well, but still was, we've done the early bird hour
• 1:23:32
  together and we're joining the main group ride and he turns to
• 1:23:34
  Andrew and he goes. So are we finishing the ride
• 1:23:37
  today, fellas? And when he said where, he was
• 1:23:41
  basically saying that to Andrew and it went straight over
• 1:23:44
  Andrew's head. And then I explained it to him
• 1:23:46
  and Andrew took it. If if there was ever like a
• 1:23:50
  illustration of male ego, it was it was then because he basically
• 1:23:54
  then he then proceeded to spend the next of the next probably
• 1:23:57
  hour of the ride. Andrew was at the front of it
• 1:24:00
  for about 55 minutes of it. And the only other time was when
• 1:24:03
  Ryan was trying to attack Andrew.
• 1:24:05
  And so they ended up getting told off by multiple people
• 1:24:08
  because they were just the, the road broke apart basically.
• 1:24:11
  There was this multiple people got dropped.
• 1:24:14
  There was a lovely lady who was just getting back into her
• 1:24:17
  riding and I chatted to her only briefly because she got spat out
• 1:24:20
  the back and then her partner, I think had to go find her.
• 1:24:23
  And then the guys have been caught up to them and told them
• 1:24:26
  to slow down. And then Andrew is not happy
• 1:24:29
  that they're getting told to slow down and then later we're
• 1:24:33
  getting. Told we should be rolling.
• 1:24:34
  Off. Was it rolling off or there's
• 1:24:36
  some sort of terms and they're like, not it that these guys
• 1:24:38
  even know what that means. And so there was a lot of, I
• 1:24:42
  don't know, it's a bit of Archie Budgie going on.
• 1:24:44
  I never knew there's so much politics and cycling.
• 1:24:48
  It's huge, it's huge. It's.
• 1:24:50
  A big learning curve. Like I think the idea is when
• 1:24:56
  you're. When you're in front and you're
• 1:24:58
  doing the work, you do it in a way like, so say we watch the
• 1:25:02
  tour and someone will attack and they'll do it in a way where
• 1:25:05
  they drop the hammer and then don't want people on their
• 1:25:07
  wheel. And that's sort of what Ryan and
• 1:25:10
  Andrew were doing. And I think the idea of a group
• 1:25:12
  ride is you're trying to do it in a way where you bring them
• 1:25:14
  along with you. Yeah, these are in the wrong
• 1:25:17
  group. So.
• 1:25:20
  Many unwritten rules of cycling that.
• 1:25:22
  We're just learning them. I feel like you need.
• 1:25:26
  You need Luke Bait, you need being Luke, a group at Luke Bait
• 1:25:29
  so he can drop you guys so literally on Thursday.
• 1:25:33
  RAF fed us to Luke and who is the other guy we're with right?
• 1:25:37
  2 two young. Punks that are just.
• 1:25:39
  Great cyclists, right? And we're doing these crit
• 1:25:42
  circuits, very technical circuits, and it's essentially
• 1:25:45
  the pre fatigue before the proper intervals start.
• 1:25:49
  And we're and it's goes like steady, strong, steady, strong,
• 1:25:53
  easy. And then two laps flat out right
• 1:25:55
  is the brief and it's very technical turns and all this
• 1:25:59
  sort of stuff. They tried their best to drop us
• 1:26:01
  before then we managed to hold on and they're gapping us every
• 1:26:04
  turn because we can't turn like they do.
• 1:26:06
  As soon as the two laps starts, they just put on this almighty
• 1:26:09
  shift and just bury us. And we were both we were
• 1:26:12
  absolutely buckled, right? We couldn't we couldn't pull
• 1:26:14
  them back. And they did it deliberately,
• 1:26:15
  like no, like, hey, let's start. They just, they, they felt a
• 1:26:19
  small gap buried us and that was it.
• 1:26:23
  And. That's on a Thursday morning
• 1:26:25
  and. Then on the Thursday evening you
• 1:26:27
  see the video from the front runner Instagram page, but it's
• 1:26:30
  just buried the whole group. The different Thursday.
• 1:26:34
  Threshold. Luke hasn't run in a couple of
• 1:26:37
  weeks because he's like they Neil.
• 1:26:39
  Yeah. And.
• 1:26:40
  Then you see Tom. Moorcroft smooth as you like,
• 1:26:43
  obviously incredibly fit and Luke's 5 meters ahead of him.
• 1:26:48
  Thursday threshold at VO2. Yeah, after he's buried us in
• 1:26:52
  the morning. Too.
• 1:26:55
  Anyway, that was funny. And after.
• 1:26:57
  Afterwards, when we're having coffee, Andrew said Were you
• 1:27:02
  hair? And because when I was going to
• 1:27:04
  the front, I wasn't actually trying to like just drop you in
• 1:27:08
  one go. I was trying to like squeeze
• 1:27:10
  every bit of effort out of you to like give you a slight bit of
• 1:27:13
  hope that you you were kind of in the fight and just make you
• 1:27:15
  suffer. You'd literally lit a rocket and
• 1:27:18
  it just. Broke the whole group up and it
• 1:27:20
  just, he was so angry. It was so good.
• 1:27:24
  But like I was wrecked. It was like 3 hours, 3 hours of
• 1:27:28
  pretty high heart rate writing for me.
• 1:27:29
  I was I enjoyed the show from back behind many a wheel.
• 1:27:35
  So polls going on cycling. Talk, Yes, cycling talk.
• 1:27:39
  Now the people will decide. I'm hoping it hangs on they
• 1:27:42
  people just want it. For four more weeks because
• 1:27:44
  hopefully we're back running by then.
• 1:27:47
  Well, yeah, so are you. Progressing to 20. 5 minutes
• 1:27:50
  with your jogs next week? I don't know.
• 1:27:54
  I wouldn't have thought so I've. Only just started doing 20
• 1:27:56
  minutes. I'll just, but I'm sure I'll
• 1:28:00
  connect with Steve to see. When the right time.
• 1:28:02
  Is but I'm not really. I'll just do what I'm told so.
• 1:28:06
  So if you do 2 by 20 minutes. Every day next week, what volume
• 1:28:11
  will you get from? That about 60 days, yeah, OK.
• 1:28:18
  Yeah, yeah. Not bad really for just like
• 1:28:21
  literally starting up again, hopefully only upwards from
• 1:28:25
  there. Fingers crossed.
• 1:28:28
  Somewhat similar for. Me on Monday of last week I
• 1:28:33
  actually got in for a scan. I've been saying that I was
• 1:28:37
  wanting to get a scan to hopefully see that this issue
• 1:28:40
  had been resolved. So I got the scan and I haven't
• 1:28:42
  actually had the results yet, so conscious not to get too carried
• 1:28:47
  away or excited until I get them.
• 1:28:50
  But yesterday I did do my first run walk, which is good because
• 1:28:55
  so that meant that in the week prior to that I'd had three
• 1:28:59
  consecutive like on off days of doing all these drills with no
• 1:29:03
  real like come back from it. So that was the criteria.
• 1:29:07
  Needed to. Take off to try my 5 by 60
• 1:29:10
  seconds. Run off the.
• 1:29:13
  Program was actually a. 5 minute walk and after like 3 minutes I
• 1:29:18
  was thinking what we're doing here like I'm I'm just walking
• 1:29:22
  for no reason but. I don't need to be.
• 1:29:27
  Trying to push the program whilst doing the 62nd jog, so I
• 1:29:33
  don't know, off 4 minutes the heart rate within the 60 seconds
• 1:29:37
  went straight to 140 beats. So that was good fun.
• 1:29:42
  But it felt fine and in the maybe like the 1st 10 to 15
• 1:29:47
  seconds, maybe 20 seconds after the 62nd run, I could, I don't
• 1:29:52
  know what it is like I think I'm just conscious and like so
• 1:29:56
  mentally scarred off this hail that like I begin to walk
• 1:30:01
  through my toes and like almost limp along on it.
• 1:30:04
  And then like I gradually start going hail midfoot forefront and
• 1:30:09
  then it feels normal again. So it's just like almost
• 1:30:12
  retraining the brain as well that I need to just be using my
• 1:30:15
  mechanics properly. But the run for the runs felt
• 1:30:18
  fine. And then waking up this morning,
• 1:30:20
  I was like a bit nervous as to how that would feel, but it
• 1:30:23
  feels pretty OK to be fair. So didn't do anything today and
• 1:30:28
  we'll do that again tomorrow before being in with Steve to
• 1:30:32
  see what the plan going forwards is.
• 1:30:34
  But obviously very slow and long road ahead.
• 1:30:39
  Notice for those 1 minutes that you managed.
• 1:30:41
  To get the pace up to about four minutes, Yeah.
• 1:30:46
  Do you notice that? I was.
• 1:30:49
  I was completely. Accidental on the multiple times
• 1:30:52
  accidental. On the first one.
• 1:30:56
  I didn't even have my screen with pace on, I was just
• 1:31:00
  interested to see what my heart rate would do.
• 1:31:02
  So then on the second one I flicked it so that I could see
• 1:31:06
  my pace but just ran the same effort and then I was like
• 1:31:09
  bloody hell, this is a bit quick.
• 1:31:11
  But then I figured that it was only 60 seconds, so it didn't
• 1:31:14
  really matter either way. This.
• 1:31:18
  Looks like 5 intervals on my 1st.
• 1:31:22
  First session. Back 5 by 400 meters.
• 1:31:27
  Now gone are the days where 4. 100 meters would have been
• 1:31:31
  anything around 60 seconds. I'll be starting around 85
• 1:31:34
  seconds just on that. Does that now all?
• 1:31:38
  Right pay to our. Fitness 50. 9 Ryan What?
• 1:31:42
  Shoes did you wear? Yeah, I just had the.
• 1:31:45
  Tennis flies. Couldn't wait to put the flames
• 1:31:51
  on so I was. Walking around Langley Park in
• 1:31:54
  them. No, I just had pair tennis
• 1:31:56
  season and I've done it on that as well.
• 1:32:02
  And did he tell you to do on grass?
• 1:32:05
  I suggested, would it? Be a good idea too.
• 1:32:08
  And he said yeah, so I think. Probably if I can.
• 1:32:12
  Continue doing this. I'll probably stay on grass for
• 1:32:15
  like maybe I don't know, a month or so and then maybe reduce the
• 1:32:19
  volume and go to concrete to see how it feels there.
• 1:32:24
  But yeah, very much. Feel like a little baby?
• 1:32:26
  Learn how to walk again. But it's going to be fun.
• 1:32:31
  The Strava community got around it too.
• 1:32:33
  I'll be. Happy to see you back, few
• 1:32:36
  comments in. There is rather.
• 1:32:38
  Embarrassing that I'm being congratulated for running 60
• 1:32:41
  seconds and walking for 5 minutes, but I appreciate it
• 1:32:45
  nonetheless. Is that your first post?
• 1:32:48
  Running posts in ages? Yeah, after.
• 1:32:52
  I finally. Called it and put them all on
• 1:32:55
  private and now I just on private a few cycles here and
• 1:32:59
  there. So my straw has been very dry
• 1:33:01
  for a good while, but yeah, first run in a.
• 1:33:06
  While I was unsure. Whether to even like, you know,
• 1:33:08
  when you start an activity because I knew I was running one
• 1:33:11
  minute, walking four or five minutes.
• 1:33:13
  I was thinking, do I even bloody record this as a run or a walk?
• 1:33:20
  Because like when when you think about it.
• 1:33:22
  Of that total volume, I don't know what it comes up.
• 1:33:25
  I can't believe analyzing this so much. 2K or something, over
• 1:33:29
  half of that I'm actually walking for.
• 1:33:31
  So it's going to show on my graph that I've ran 2K or
• 1:33:36
  something this week, but I've actually ran 1K.
• 1:33:41
  Give it what have I just said? Do you think it wasn't that
• 1:33:47
  long? Ago.
• 1:33:48
  We'll talk about that. 401K loop in the heels and you know, just
• 1:33:52
  another training day. Here we are, Owens sat a like.
• 1:33:57
  Peak of his. Career listening to me talk
• 1:33:59
  about whether of RAM 1K or walk 2K.
• 1:34:06
  It's good, It's good. Perspective, perspective.
• 1:34:09
  Yeah, yeah, we need contrast. What not to do?
• 1:34:13
  And it's a. 7K. Race and I don't Spencer
• 1:34:17
  actually won it. He won it in 1955 and he bet
• 1:34:21
  your man like Stefan Nielsen, which is a pretty nice scalp.
• 1:34:26
  The female was won by Armenia Mutong.
• 1:34:30
  I don't know who she is in 2244 and I don't sense there isn't
• 1:34:36
  down to run the cross. No, no he's not.
• 1:34:42
  Do you have access to those results?
• 1:34:44
  Yeah, yeah, you're looking at them now is.
• 1:34:46
  Jake Smith on. There Jake Smith is.
• 1:34:50
  So I can only. Find this the 15K might be on
• 1:34:53
  today, but Eve you've even looked at their Instagram.
• 1:34:56
  It looks savage it's like at night and like there's mad
• 1:34:59
  crowds and there's like mad flashing lights and stuff afford
• 1:35:04
  it. He is here now.
• 1:35:06
  Yeah, because I've seen on. Jake Strava the other day he was
• 1:35:09
  saying he was doing a race and he posted this two times from
• 1:35:12
  previous years and they were like 45 minutes then.
• 1:35:16
  He's now run this morning in niche McGann.
• 1:35:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But only as.
• 1:35:22
  Warm up activities on there, right?
• 1:35:24
  Now so I sent you. The Instagram page.
• 1:35:28
  It's probably it's on the 15 and 16, so I'm going to take a wild
• 1:35:31
  guess that the longer races on today.
• 1:35:34
  But yeah, it's weird that Adam Spencer would have well,
• 1:35:38
  obviously Nike athlete, Nike event probably would have got a
• 1:35:41
  bit of money for running it. But yeah, just he's fit.
• 1:35:47
  Oh, the the results are out because it's got.
• 1:35:50
  That Mike Foppen, young to him, the Dutch track, he's always
• 1:35:54
  run. Yeah, he always runs it.
• 1:35:56
  He ran a Netherlands. Record.
• 1:35:58
  For 4242, I'm not sure whether that means he's won the race or
• 1:36:02
  not. Was that this year?
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, the post. 19 minutes ago. Well, he won it first to.
• 1:36:11
  Finish. He used.
• 1:36:14
  To train with your man Jimmy Grezier.
• 1:36:18
  Yeah, that was that. No, he didn't.
• 1:36:21
  Win the race the the winner was Victor Capurito around 4142.
• 1:36:29
  Let's try and pull these up so we can see where.
• 1:36:32
  Jake finished. Whilst we're here, it looks
• 1:36:36
  savages just. Running out in the country?
• 1:36:39
  In in Netherlands I reckon. I mean, I've only ever been to.
• 1:36:45
  Amsterdam, I think in the Netherlands, and that's not a
• 1:36:48
  scenic, but Netherlands in general, the country is like
• 1:36:53
  incredibly scenic and like got sick countryside.
• 1:36:57
  Isn't it even Amsterdam? Like the canals, the cycling?
• 1:37:00
  Culture used guys would love it and everyone has a bike and but
• 1:37:06
  yeah it's just like really picturesque and yeah it's cool I
• 1:37:11
  can't the results aren't up on online it's.
• 1:37:17
  Annoying. Oh.
• 1:37:19
  Well, we'll have to make do with that for the results.
• 1:37:24
  Enjoying the YouTube Diaries. Yeah, I can.
• 1:37:30
  The topic No no, the channel for this week is very new.
• 1:37:40
  The video is about 6 hours old enough and it came to our
• 1:37:47
  attention not long before recording.
• 1:37:50
  So how many views is it on now? Think of about 1000 odd.
• 1:37:55
  Views. OK.
• 1:37:58
  Watch it grow. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:38:01
  So. The athlete is Genevieve Gregson
• 1:38:05
  OR Genevieve Flacaz that used to be known as but she is an
• 1:38:10
  Australian four time marathoner and mentions in the start of her
• 1:38:16
  video that she's shooting for five.
• 1:38:18
  So her partner's Ryan Gregson. So would be familiar F familiar
• 1:38:23
  name, but they're like a bit of a powerhouse couple in
• 1:38:26
  Australian distance running. So yeah, a new very new channel
• 1:38:31
  to YouTube. I didn't know that that was in
• 1:38:34
  the works. Is Jen the. 3K.
• 1:38:37
  Steeplechase national record still.
• 1:38:39
  I think so, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:42
  So that was her pedigree is on the.
• 1:38:44
  Track and she's obviously transitioned to the marathon
• 1:38:47
  pretty successfully. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:38:49
  So I think. Because didn't she famously fall
• 1:38:53
  in one of the steeplechases and shadow her Achilles?
• 1:38:57
  And then yeah had a significant layoff, but then yeah
• 1:39:03
  successfully returned to the roads has made the women's
• 1:39:07
  marathon team ran was it 222 at Valencia and his training for
• 1:39:12
  Valencia currently along with a host of others.
• 1:39:16
  But I think of would be a great YouTube channel for various
• 1:39:20
  reasons. But she's also a mum and
• 1:39:23
  recently a mum for the second times already shared some
• 1:39:27
  insight in terms of juggling her personal her what would be a
• 1:39:31
  very busy personal life, along with raising two young kids and
• 1:39:36
  has aspirations to make another Olympic team.
• 1:39:39
  And no doubt probably has an eye on running, you know, a quicker
• 1:39:42
  time very soon in the marathon, which would be around that sort
• 1:39:46
  of Australian record time. So would be a very interesting
• 1:39:50
  channel to follow. Cool insight to into to them
• 1:39:53
  because you you hear about them a lot, but you probably don't
• 1:39:56
  get necessarily as much of A backstage pass as what you would
• 1:39:59
  get on their YouTube channel. So yeah, it should be very
• 1:40:02
  interesting. Interesting watch.
• 1:40:04
  I think they have a good training group up in in Brisbane
• 1:40:08
  and good family network that helps them do what they do.
• 1:40:10
  And yeah, it should be a good follow when you.
• 1:40:15
  Hear the interviews of some of. These women who've had kids and
• 1:40:20
  come back to race at the top level, do you notice that like
• 1:40:23
  kind of a lot of the intrigue from listeners Slash general
• 1:40:29
  population slash like recreational or everyday runners
• 1:40:33
  is around like how they have transitioned?
• 1:40:37
  Basically. From pregnancy and given birth
• 1:40:39
  in back into like elite sports and at the top level.
• 1:40:43
  I think it's because often people will look at professional
• 1:40:47
  athletes and can't relate because they just can't quite
• 1:40:51
  compute like how you could physically be that good at
• 1:40:54
  running. And then when someone has a baby
• 1:40:59
  and then the normal everyday person is able to relate because
• 1:41:04
  they're like, well, I'm a mum too.
• 1:41:06
  And then they just find it completely incomprehensible and
• 1:41:09
  like so admirable how they then return to running at that sort
• 1:41:12
  of level. So yeah, it'll be interesting
• 1:41:16
  and cool to get those insights as well because she's obviously
• 1:41:18
  very fresh off the back of the second child, like you say.
• 1:41:23
  Yeah. And I think like.
• 1:41:26
  The physical changes that a woman's body goes through in
• 1:41:29
  terms of during the pregnancy and then posts like is, is the
• 1:41:35
  physical tolls huge and the ability and, and what you need
• 1:41:38
  to do to get your body right is so hard and running so
• 1:41:41
  unforgiving when you're physically fit and well, let
• 1:41:45
  alone let alone what you have to go through with that.
• 1:41:49
  And then you're potentially juggling breastfeeding and the
• 1:41:51
  impact on that. And like red S comes into play.
• 1:41:54
  Like I'm pretty sure when houses breastfeeding the twins, I think
• 1:41:57
  we're told like it's like 500 calories per day per child
• 1:42:01
  perhaps. And so like you've got to be so
• 1:42:03
  careful in terms of looking after yourself.
• 1:42:06
  On top of that, you're not getting great sleep because your
• 1:42:09
  baby's probably up during the night.
• 1:42:10
  So then how they're managing to look after themselves and their
• 1:42:13
  new, you know, their young children and then find the
• 1:42:16
  energy to train on top of that. And their level, their training
• 1:42:19
  at is phenomenal. So yeah, it's they're they're
• 1:42:24
  pretty amazing people. So it's be a really good, good
• 1:42:28
  story to follow. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:42:31
  Because it's not. Just one parent.
• 1:42:33
  Who's doing this? It's both parents.
• 1:42:36
  And they both seems to be like so selfless in the way that they
• 1:42:39
  kind of like, help each other out and manage to keep the
• 1:42:42
  training taking over. Yeah.
• 1:42:44
  And I think it gets. It definitely gets harder, like
• 1:42:48
  after you've had one. So you've got a toddler who has
• 1:42:52
  always had all of your attention and still to a degree expects
• 1:42:56
  that, and they still got their own needs to meet and then
• 1:42:59
  you've got this newborn that. Requires a lot of usage.
• 1:43:01
  During the night and then you're basically tired from dealing
• 1:43:04
  with them. But then you can't get that
• 1:43:06
  reprieve when your newborns having a sleep during the day
• 1:43:08
  because the toddler just wants to, you know, take on the world.
• 1:43:12
  So it'd be very tricky time. So pretty, very impressive that
• 1:43:15
  they're juggling it. And it would be, yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Good YouTube channel to follow I'm sure.
• 1:43:21
  Thank you boys. I don't.
• 1:43:23
  Think I've got a double. Trouble.
• 1:43:25
  Surprisingly, maybe the 60 seconds I have a double trouble.
• 1:43:28
  Put me up. Go on.
• 1:43:29
  Used to sitting on the. Fence last.
• 1:43:31
  Week guys that. Didn't work.
• 1:43:35
  What was? The double trouble are the.
• 1:43:36
  PBS in frickin in was it? Yeah, used to sitting on fence.
• 1:43:45
  I don't see a problem. With that at all, I think
• 1:43:48
  sometimes I just disagreed. I thought I didn't.
• 1:43:51
  Agreed. No, no, that was.
• 1:43:54
  Ryan. Ryan Ferret Ryan sitting on the
• 1:43:56
  fence. Ryan was squarely on the fence
• 1:43:58
  is. Flipping and flopping.
• 1:44:00
  I'm like, I can't agree with it. I've got my PVS in my Instagram
• 1:44:05
  pie. I said I'd rather put that in
• 1:44:08
  than some of my personal stuff about my kids.
• 1:44:11
  Like I think it's. I think it's handy like
• 1:44:14
  especially if you're like, I know you're similar across the
• 1:44:16
  page and they're a runner and like you want to sort of see
• 1:44:19
  what they've run. If they actually have the there
• 1:44:22
  are times in their Instagram bio, which just saves a lot of
• 1:44:24
  time of trying to actually go digging looking for now, it's
• 1:44:28
  very rarely that you do that, but still, I don't I think
• 1:44:30
  there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
• 1:44:32
  You strive at times, or you, you chip.
• 1:44:34
  Times. Hey, guys.
• 1:44:37
  Going to say yeah I love that page so.
• 1:44:40
  Much. That anyway.
• 1:44:42
  They're blocking. Them though we've had a few
• 1:44:45
  people messaging. Privately in with some
• 1:44:47
  suggestions. So thank you to those that have
• 1:44:50
  provided them. Yeah.
• 1:44:54
  Yes, like that. That's the only thing we're.
• 1:44:56
  Having it in your Instagram bio, you, you're, you're trusting
• 1:45:00
  that said person is making a reasonable claim because you're
• 1:45:03
  not really going to then go and cross check and verify the claim
• 1:45:08
  or you're obviously just taking it as face value and that the
• 1:45:10
  person is trustworthy. But I don't know, I just have.
• 1:45:15
  To go and cross. Reference.
• 1:45:16
  Yours I don't get. Why people actually?
• 1:45:21
  I don't get why people would. Put the faster times.
• 1:45:23
  In like if you actually haven't run them like I, I nearly feel
• 1:45:28
  guilty. If I take like.
• 1:45:29
  That's a bicarb that like, is that naturally me running?
• 1:45:34
  Like in a way it's sort of in a way it is sort of doping.
• 1:45:38
  I don't know, it's like because it's actually not you, you
• 1:45:43
  missing it. Big car, big car.
• 1:45:46
  What, like I'd feel guilty putting up the.
• 1:45:49
  Time that you didn't run and I will cut that crop that.
• 1:45:56
  No, I agree with you though, because like.
• 1:45:58
  In some track races where you're technically allowed to wear
• 1:46:01
  super shoes because you're not bound by the like World
• 1:46:03
  Athletics rulings, I would still never race of 5K and a pair of
• 1:46:08
  super shoes on the tracks. I'd feel like it would be an
• 1:46:10
  illegitimate time because if you're a pro then it wouldn't.
• 1:46:14
  You can't do it so why should I? I don't think you're doping if
• 1:46:17
  you're taking anything. That's not against the rules.
• 1:46:20
  This is my, you know, that's where I sit with it.
• 1:46:25
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:25
  And like. By car is permissible like.
• 1:46:28
  The rules are the rules. You, you, you know, play the
• 1:46:32
  rules as hard as you can as long as you stay within them.
• 1:46:36
  Yeah, but yeah, I don't get people like putting in.
• 1:46:38
  Tax Man speaking under. Strava times and when they've
• 1:46:44
  run like 2. 3 minutes and it's always the case where they're
• 1:46:48
  really just under or just over like a minute like in it's yeah,
• 1:46:54
  have you have you noticed they all seem.
• 1:46:58
  Pardon. Are you thinking it's a line?
• 1:47:00
  No, no. OK.
• 1:47:04
  Have you noticed they all seem to be hybrid rock stars?
• 1:47:08
  Yeah. They just don't get it.
• 1:47:11
  I. Feel like it's a group that.
• 1:47:12
  Don't get it? Yeah, but fair.
• 1:47:16
  Play to the. OPTMU or whatever that Instagram
• 1:47:20
  page is calling them out. That's what I was trying to
• 1:47:23
  find. I think they just relate.
• 1:47:24
  They just posted something, didn't they?
• 1:47:27
  The official. Marathon time Integrity unit,
• 1:47:30
  Yeah. 11 thought I had on it. Was it's like, say, if you've
• 1:47:36
  done it and you've done it deliberately, if you're Strava
• 1:47:39
  time, because this is the thing, like so many of these people who
• 1:47:42
  are new to running, they genuinely think that Strava time
• 1:47:46
  is your time. And like in the caption, they'll
• 1:47:50
  write Strava time, whatever chip time, as if like the Strava time
• 1:47:55
  has any sort of relevance. But anyway, imagine you did and
• 1:48:01
  you claimed you Strava time knowingly, that you were like
• 1:48:04
  cheating a little bit. Say for example, Strava's 259
• 1:48:07
  and your chip time was 301, like hard lines.
• 1:48:11
  And you claim your 2:59. And then the next time you
• 1:48:14
  actually come to run a marathon, you legitimately run 259.
• 1:48:19
  But maybe it's like 259 fifty. So it was a little bit slower
• 1:48:24
  than the Strava time that you'd previously claimed.
• 1:48:28
  Now, in reality, you have a new PB as per the official results.
• 1:48:34
  But as per the time that you've claimed previously, you can't
• 1:48:38
  actually say you've run a PB because you've already lied to
• 1:48:42
  say that you've run faster. So how empty must that feel?
• 1:48:47
  Yeah, but. I think they're just a different
• 1:48:48
  breed than described. Like they don't get, they just
• 1:48:51
  don't get it. They do not get it.
• 1:48:54
  Fucking hell, they. They released a post.
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  Today IMTIU. Regulation 7. .1 Did you say
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  that is a stop and watch? Yeah, Jack Rayner should be
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  disqualified under Regulation 7.1.
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  It's watch stopping stoppage protocols during races and it
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  had it has 33 permitted reasons, which is medically evacuated,
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  detained by police and then injury, illness related DNF.
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  They're the only times you get to stop your watch during a
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  race, and then it's got a whole suite of reasons why you can't.
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  Don't read out the. List.
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  It's so funny. Toilet break Photo Video.
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  Content opportunity Aid station stop auto pause function tie
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  shoelace remove stone from your shoe cramp walk break watch says
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  you've reached 42.2 kilometers to reset yeah to reset the the
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  lap to change Spotify playlist Chris kiss your partner oh so
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  good I've actually. Committed to two of.
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  Those in a race. If I'm honest, yeah.
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  But you haven't claimed. Illegitimate time?
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  What ones have you done? I stopped my I missed a drink.
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  At Sydney and I stopped my watch.
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  I don't know why, but when I ran back, I just have it.
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  And then one of the 50K races I had a low break and I stopped it
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  during that. But again, I don't know why I
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  did it, but I wouldn't take kind of time, that's for sure.
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  That'll be like, that'll be like Jack because.
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  On that, did you see they put the video up and they've done a
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  poll like has he done a breach here, yes or no?
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  Because it was a video of him pausing his watch.
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  It's just like habit or instinct, like if you stop to
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  split it or pause it or whatever.
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  Because obviously he's bloody won the race, so he's not trying
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  to fool anyone with his time. Yeah.
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  But I did feel vindicated that when I went to the Portalu in
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  Ballarat that I split it off. Yeah.
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  Otherwise. Just that.
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  Sat there having a shit. Thinking about seconds ticking
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  away. Yeah, keen to follow that page
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  I'm sure. It'll continue to find offenders
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  and they seem to be find them repeat offenders as well.
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  Or if they get a tip off for one person, they then dig into like
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  a few more of their past results that have like been accepted by
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  the community and they find that they've they've done it 5 or 6
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  times prior. It's so good they're they're.
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  Stories. Is that where you're watching
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  it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  There's Oh, there was. A guy last week.
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  And he was like, you know, because the way they comment,
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  it's so formal, almost like you're being given a fine or
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  something. This replied.
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  Like, I can't tell if this is serious or not, but like, it's
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  not that deep or something. This this one.
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  This post on their story, It's gone.
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  Third Breach. We've been, we've been blocked
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  by the suspect and therefore unable to provide a written
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  infringement notice directly to the suspect on this occasion and
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  then they just sign off IMTIU. It's so good.
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  They're so funny. Whoever.
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  Has this too much time in their hands though they.
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  Have way too much time on their hand.
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  It's it's so good. And just their comments.
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  On the like, being under official investigation, they
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  comment like on the person's post, you know?
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  What the good thing is it? Separates the actual runners
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  from like the pretenders, like anyone who is a legit runner,
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  and like kind of all unspokenly on the.
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  Same page. Like you just clearly identified
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  because everyone's very much in the camp of OEM TIU and then the
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  pretenders and the Klingons are like confused or offended that
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  they're being called out. And it's just so good to see.
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  Yeah, creating. Awareness.
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  I didn't realize how like. People did that though.
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  There's so many people, all the. Time.
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  Yeah, crazy, I realized. That we skipped past the.
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  Fred Kelly news item dummies. Just quickly play it because
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  it's quite controversial. We could end on a on a bang.
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  So for those who don't know, Fred Kelly, American sprinter,
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  100 meters, 200 meters guy, as he recently, he's the one who's
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  gone to the enhanced games. So now he's just dropping all
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  these bombshells like coming out with wild accusations, server
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  contacts. I'm going to play it down the
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  mic. Hopefully it doesn't bear star
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  eardrums like it did when we tested it.
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  This is Fred Kelly speaking on a podcast about, well, you get
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  what? It's about popping up at
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  restaurants to test us. People popping up at airport to
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  test us. Damn.
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  Yeah I know. It's basically like we in a
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  plantation. Wow.
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  And pick the outside. World don't know what's.
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  Actually going on because you got people that actually own the
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  stuff but never getting caught because they're getting paid
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  off. You got to add the cases right
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  now in track and field that you SODA and WADA is not doing
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  nothing about because they're getting paid off.
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  Damn, That's a pretty strong accusation, friend.
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  There's no accident. It's the best is the facts,
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  simple as that. And they know it.
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  They got cases going on right now.
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  You can come and test me any day of the week and I'm not
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  tripping. I can show you my, my, my, you
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  know, we guess every time we do a drug test, the stuff come to
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  my phone, negative, negative, negative, negative.
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  It's not tripping, but. Well, what are your thoughts?
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  You go. Well, first of all, this comes
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  on the back of. The US sprinter who got silver
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  in the 100 meters. But he was basically, it didn't
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  come out that he was serving a ban.
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  It was kept hush hush, wasn't it?
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  What's his name? Marvin or Macy or Marvin Bracy?
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  Yeah. Close Tracy Williams.
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  Yeah, that kid. And.
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  But yeah, look, yeah. So they got him based.
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  On whistleblowing. Yeah, his coach, actually.
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  Ratted on him. Yeah, oh man, and his.
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  Coat so he. Only moved to the coach.
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  He told the coach that what he was doing and then the coach
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  like ratted on him now and they were then saying does this like
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  was it the coach? Now there's.
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  Like a thing. Where was the coach saving his
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  ass by reporting him or like, is there other people in the group
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  doping now? Yeah, it's just a mess.
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  Investigators found Bracy Williams.
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  Initially tried to tamper with the process before later
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  admitting guilt and cooperating. He also received a separate 24
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  month sanction for three whereabouts failures between
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  August and June 24. All results since the first of
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  all was 23 disqualified. But yeah, the the mad thing is
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  that it takes whistleblowing to actually catch these people who
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  are actually out there cheating and presumably passing tests.
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  And then the Fred Kelly thing, that's just a whole nother level
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  if true. Like the fact that people can
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  cheat and get away with it is one thing, but then if they're
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  being caught and able to pay off the people who are supposed to
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  be upholding the rules and stuff, then the the whole
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  thing's just a shambles and an embarrassment really, isn't it?
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  But you're, you've seen it. What happened with your own
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  Well? Taji, the Ethiopian 1500 meter
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  girl, like Ethiopia, we're going to send her only for that while
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  I jumped in and stepped in. They're like, no, like it's it's
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  I'd say it's crazy amount of politics and like it's rotten in
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  Kenya, Ethiopia, it's just as bad ever.
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  I'd say it's just as bad ever else.
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  Like I say, America. Is totally wrong.
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  It's just they're better at doping.
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  See. Theory that's strong.
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  Accusations on Strong Yeah, I. Still don't.
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  Fred Curly had a load of. Whereabouts, Failure.
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  So I still don't trust him either.
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  Yeah, like it's been spoken about before.
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  But if you were a professional athlete, what you were is it
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  like 3 times you have to book the process.
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  Of basically to get a whereabouts.
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  Failure. Like how if you missed one,
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  could you allow the second and third to occur and like it's
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  your job at the end of day this. Is your job you have nothing
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  else on like it's your job to be in this place.
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  When you say you're in this place, like it just yeah, it
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  makes. No sense whatsoever.
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  That he missed three, Like 1? Fair enough.
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  Two. You're pushing at 3.
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  It's a joke. Get lost.
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  Or then if you were like denying it, you would.
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  Be chasing them up with emails and phone calls like oh sorry I
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  wasn't there like plans changed I'm here like come tomorrow.
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  And if they didn't then I would be fucking posting it all over
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  my Instagram like look please believe me I'm clean.
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  I was begging them to come back like it's your job, like you're
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  in the. Privileged position where you
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  literally run for a living like that would be like you not
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  showing what's work tomorrow would happen, Yeah.
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  No, it doesn't happen. And if it is, you give a real.
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  Explanation. Like it's, yeah, I just don't
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  like it at all. Yeah, scary if the.
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  Water are being paid off like. Do they just want us talking
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  about it? Create stories and ramp up
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  attention. Surely not that deep like but it
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  would be good if some of these people going.
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  To the. Enhanced Games gave insight into
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  what's actually going on because I suspect they know quite a bit
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  and they're then in a position to be able to.
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  Do so because they're openly doing it.
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  Fuck. Maybe that'd be in the.
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  Next target interview. Talk looks get Fred Curly on.
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  He ain't tripping, brat. The the host's quite funny.
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  Did you hear that? He's like, there's some wild
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  accusation for it. Oh, we'll just change it now.
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  Let's. Let's wrap it up.
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  Yeah, go on. That's.
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  M Yeah. Touch it next week.
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  Yeah, Good luck with the race. Thank you very much.
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  Good luck mate. People, even the the.
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  Referral of and the. Ratings and stuff to the end, so
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  people have probably already turned off now, but Spotify did
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  tell me the other day that podcasts with listeners similar
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  to ours usually have X amount more followers.
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  So I don't know what it means. But yeah, I think if you follow
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  the podcast then you get a notification when we release a
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  new one rather than having to search it.
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  Which I've lazily been guilty of myself and I actually don't
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  understand why you don't. I don't press follow button and
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  I go on there week in week out and search the podcast rather
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  than just having it in front of me.
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  But there you go. I don't hold the grudge against
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  you if you don't, but it might just be a bit easier for you.
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  Thanks guys, good luck. See you.