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Isaac Schade on the NBA Draft, The case for the Jazz taking Cam Boozer 2nd overall, Worth it to trade up to No. 1 (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: OOC from the Murder Chevrolet studio of PESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: ninety two one af N. We are what eight days
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  Speaker 1: away from the NBA Draft, Utah holding on to the
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  Speaker 1: number two pick, and we will be watching closely here
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  Speaker 1: on The Sean O'Connell Show to all the rumors, all
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  Speaker 1: the innuendo, all the conversations about who goes where. Isaac
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  Speaker 1: Shade has been paying attention to a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: guys that will be hearing their names called in the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming NBA Draft lottery throughout their entire college careers. He's
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  Speaker 1: the host of Locked on College Basketball and Locked on
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  Speaker 1: Tar Heels, so he's got an up close to personal
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  Speaker 1: look at cam Boozer, especially right down the road, and
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  Speaker 1: Isaac Shade kind of have to give us a few
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  Speaker 1: minutes today.
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  Speaker 2: Isaac, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, ah, Sean, I'm doing great. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like we're in a great sports moment right now. We
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  Speaker 3: got the College World Series, NBA Finals, World Up, NHL
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  Speaker 3: Playoff Like it's been electric.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it has really been cool.
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  Speaker 1: You're a basketball guy, so let me just ask you
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  Speaker 1: know your broad strokes reaction to the New York Knicks
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  Speaker 1: getting it done, closing out in San Antonio and making
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  Speaker 1: it a five game win for New York first in
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  Speaker 1: fifty three years.
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  Speaker 3: My broad stroke reaction is more on the Spurs side,
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  Speaker 3: where it's like they got to be kicking themselves. Man,
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  Speaker 3: they had a double digital lead in every game they
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  Speaker 3: lock game. Yeah, you know, it's like they just it's
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  Speaker 3: a crazily talented team, but they're young, and I just
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  Speaker 3: think they weren't ready for that. And the Knicks maybe
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  Speaker 3: not quite as talented, but the sum was greater than
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  Speaker 3: the parts. And I also love what it says for
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  Speaker 3: college basketball to see Jalen Brunson, who was phenomenal, you
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  Speaker 3: know in my roalm of college basketball, was overlooked thirty
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  Speaker 3: third overall pick. And I think it helps as we're
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  Speaker 3: about to talk draft stuff, you think about somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Darius Acuff, another kind of undersized offensive juggernaut.
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  Speaker 2: I think that helps him.
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  Speaker 3: Long term as NBA front offices look at his projections.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is part of the question and the thought
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  Speaker 1: process that I wanted to get into here. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a prisoner of the moment. As a sports talk
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  Speaker 1: radio host, I'm constantly overreacting to everything I see, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if the Spurs had one, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: just hold out until there's another seven foot five alien
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  Speaker 1: and that's who you need to get, right. But the
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  Speaker 1: NFL is a big time copycat league. The NBA, to
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  Speaker 1: some extent, is a copycat league. How much influence is
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  Speaker 1: what the Knicks just accomplished with who they accomplished with.
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  Speaker 1: How much influence is that gonna have on personnel decisions
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  Speaker 1: across the league? And I'm not talking about, well, you're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna draft aj Debonsa anymore when you have the
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  Speaker 1: number one pick because of what you saw Brunson do.
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  Speaker 1: But a little bit further down the draft and like
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  Speaker 1: you said, you know, maybe you give these undersized guys
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a shot, et cetera. How
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  Speaker 1: much influence is this Knicks win gonna have on the
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  Speaker 1: league itself.
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  Speaker 3: I like your point about both NFL and NBA and
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  Speaker 3: the copycat because everybody's trying to figure out what do
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  Speaker 3: we do. I'd even go into MLB when we hit
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  Speaker 3: the moneyball there and everybody's like oh, we got we
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  Speaker 3: got to pay attention to on base percentage, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and so there's all of that. Sean, Yeah, absolutely. I
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  Speaker 3: think another guy it might help is somebody like Stanford
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  Speaker 3: Zubuca Ocore who's undersized and a lot of people might
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  Speaker 3: not have seen him as much because he was at
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  Speaker 3: Stanford and they weren't great, but.
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  Speaker 2: The dude is so so good.
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe even somebody further down the draft like a
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  Speaker 3: Braden Smith who's an under sized guard but the NCAAA
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  Speaker 3: all time leading assist man who's kind of tripled doubly
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  Speaker 3: every time he played.
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  Speaker 2: For Matt Painter and the boiler Makers. I think it
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  Speaker 2: helps them.
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  Speaker 3: But interestingly, Sean, despite the Spurs not winning, I think
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  Speaker 3: to your point about finding another seven to five alien,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's more the issue here that NBA front
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  Speaker 3: officers are still looking at is while the Spurs didn't win, like,
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  Speaker 3: that's what we got to figure out, game in and
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  Speaker 3: game out, How on earth do we contend with this
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  Speaker 3: dude who's only going to continue to.
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  Speaker 2: Grow and get better.
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  Speaker 3: And so I honestly, despite Brunson and the Knicks doing
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  Speaker 3: what they did, I mean it's it's we could easily flip.
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  Speaker 2: This, as you said, and be talking about the Spurs
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  Speaker 2: winning had.
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  Speaker 3: They held those leads, had Wemby not thrown that pass
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  Speaker 3: into Steph Castle's back earlier in the series. And so
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  Speaker 3: I truly think Wemby is the bigger X factor that
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  Speaker 3: that front offices are gonna have to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So against that backdrop, right, I'm not paying as
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  Speaker 1: close attentions as maybe you are, But I don't recall
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  Speaker 1: having seen an obvious like seven foot plus freak athlete,
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  Speaker 1: ball handler, shooter, et cetera in this particular draft class.
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  Speaker 1: And we talk about this draft class very favorably. This
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  Speaker 1: is one that goes deep. This is one where there's
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  Speaker 1: maybe a half dozen players that are going to be
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  Speaker 1: NBA All Stars, and there's at least three or four
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  Speaker 1: that are being talked about as potential franchise changers for
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  Speaker 1: whomever picks them up, but none of them are Wemby.
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  Speaker 1: So what would you look at this group? And it's
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  Speaker 1: the usual suspects. It's AJ, it's Darren Peterson, it is
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  Speaker 1: the aforementioned cam boozer. Do any of those guys make you,
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  Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, a closer contender to
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  Speaker 1: what the Spurs already have.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to the mid teen sean. This
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  Speaker 3: is where my brain goes with it. The antithesis or
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  Speaker 3: the answer to some of the way the NBA was
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  Speaker 3: going in the early teens was, oh, here comes Steph
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  Speaker 3: Curry all of a sudden, just changing how we think
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  Speaker 3: about basketball with the three point revolution. And as we
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  Speaker 3: well know, that shot is a great equalizer for the length.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously Wendy can step out and do that himself.
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  Speaker 3: But I just mean, like, there's always these these punches
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  Speaker 3: and counter punches and moves, and so while none of
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  Speaker 3: them because you're exactly right, and no, there's nobody that
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  Speaker 3: you've overlooked. That's like, do we have Wemby two point zero?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: But can we can other franchises zig while the Spurs
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  Speaker 3: are zagging? And I think the Spurs are set up
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  Speaker 3: in a great shape to they and the Thunder probably
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  Speaker 3: oversee the West for a while. But if you're the
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  Speaker 3: Jazz and you get Darren Peterson here, assuming health and
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  Speaker 3: everything's good to go, like, is he somebody with everything
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  Speaker 3: he can do as a big lead guard that can
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  Speaker 3: get into a big guy like Wemby and and take
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  Speaker 3: his strength away from him, because what do you do
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  Speaker 3: against a big shot blocker.
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  Speaker 2: You don't let him get extended? And so can a
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  Speaker 2: guy like DP do that?
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that's what you try to do,
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  Speaker 3: is not to say can we find some lesser version
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  Speaker 3: of Wemby, and say can we find some best version
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  Speaker 3: of another NBA prototype position player?
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  Speaker 2: And I think a Peterson is that.
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  Speaker 3: I think AJ has a lot of capability and so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think there are ways to go about it.
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  Speaker 1: How much should we be reacting to the news that
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  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson is not going to work out for the
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  Speaker 1: Utah Jazz in this pre draft process?
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  Speaker 2: It feels odd to me. Right, we've seen.
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  Speaker 3: Players, agents, families try to force their hands at times
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  Speaker 3: of Hey, I'm not gonna come work out for you,
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  Speaker 3: and so you won't draft me. Well guess what, buddy,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't college and you don't get to choose it anymore.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm the Jazz and he's the dude, I want,
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  Speaker 3: like sorry about you.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna come and you're going to be a dude.
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  Speaker 2: But like it ain't nothing, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, Like we saw when Eli Manning
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  Speaker 3: went to college or excuse me went to the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: we saw that kind of orchestrated.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's things like that.
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  Speaker 3: And with some of the way it's just if Darren
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  Speaker 3: Peterson had had a normal college freshman year, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: think as much of it. But there's just been enough
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  Speaker 3: question marks that it causes me to raise my eyebrows.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean. And look, I've grown
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  Speaker 1: up in this sports market. I live here in Salt
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  Speaker 1: Lake City.
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  Speaker 2: And we have right or wrong.
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  Speaker 1: We have this sort of like self conscious nature about
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  Speaker 1: NBA players in particular, and to be honest, black NBA
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  Speaker 1: players more particularly, do you want to be in Salt
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  Speaker 1: Lake City? Right? There was all this smoke and turned
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  Speaker 1: out not to be any fire with the Ace Bailey
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  Speaker 1: stuff last year where it was like, oh, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be here, He's not interested in playing for
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz. He only wants to be and he
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  Speaker 1: ended up being great and being a great fit for
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  Speaker 1: the franchise and seems to like the community well enough.
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  Speaker 2: Et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: And in this draft especially, you've got Darren Peterson is
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  Speaker 1: one of these top three prospects. The other two have
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  Speaker 1: very obvious ties to the state of Utah, and he
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  Speaker 1: is kind of the lone wolf that had, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a complicated year at Kansas where Cam Boozer didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Aj Debonsa did not at Byu. Boozer's dad obviously works
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  Speaker 1: for the Jazz front office. Cam was born here in Utah,
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  Speaker 1: though he doesn't have like childhood memories of being in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously Aj Debonza like that story has been written
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  Speaker 1: and told a thousand times. So I have been talking
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  Speaker 1: about this for weeks now, Isaac, where I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, if it's all talent and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about anything else, sure, then you go for
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  Speaker 1: the guy at number two that is best available. But
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  Speaker 1: in today's NBA, and what with the Jazz have experienced
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  Speaker 1: already was some of the top players they've ever had
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  Speaker 1: as a franchise. Do you have to consider how much
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  Speaker 1: this guy wants to be here? Do you have to consider, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're really gonna have to win him over. He might
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  Speaker 1: not like it, he might want to be somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: He might try to force himself into a different situation.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to be involved in some kind of
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  Speaker 1: soap opera right when we're rounding out of tanking form. Like, so,
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  Speaker 1: I've been speculating on this, and I want your perspective.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in that Utah Jazz front office, if you're
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  Speaker 1: Austin Ange, should you say, all right, well, we think
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  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson is more talented, but cam Boozer is the
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  Speaker 1: personality type and the fit that we want here because
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  Speaker 1: his dad works for us, He's got some perspective on
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  Speaker 1: this place. Or we might have to move up to
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  Speaker 1: get Aja de Bonsa for the same reason. How do
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  Speaker 1: you react if you're in that jazz front office.
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  Speaker 3: It is funny that you've got Peterson's sandwiched in between
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  Speaker 3: these two guys. That's on paper make a lot more
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  Speaker 3: sense in Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 2: City, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: With aj Ahead who was there for high school, who
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  Speaker 3: was there at BYU last year, with Carlos being connected
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  Speaker 3: to the jazz like, either of those make a ton
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  Speaker 3: more sense. Obviously, if my memory's correct from last year,
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  Speaker 3: Ace Bailey never visited and worked out correct and I
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  Speaker 3: remember that correctly.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that's correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so there is precedent of Austin Aing's doing that.
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  Speaker 3: But do you want to pull that trigger two years
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  Speaker 3: in a row or are you tempting fates there? So
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  Speaker 3: I think you're certainly onto something you mentioned earlier that
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  Speaker 3: in addition to lockedown college basketball, I also cover the
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  Speaker 3: Tar Heels. So let me give an example of Caleb Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting the Jazz should take him at
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  Speaker 3: two instead of Chicago at four, but I just mean
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  Speaker 3: to say, he's a kid who loves life and basketball
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  Speaker 3: and is a face of the franchise, face of the
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  Speaker 3: franchise type dude, because he just his temperament, his personality
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  Speaker 3: is there. And I just say that to contrast him
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  Speaker 3: with Darren Peterson, where if you have those questions and
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  Speaker 3: you're going big, big certainty at number two, here, I
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  Speaker 3: got to say, there's a much higher floor with cam Boozer,
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  Speaker 3: much higher floor with aj Debontsa than there would be,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion with DP because of the potential issues
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  Speaker 3: with all these various things that we've just talked about.
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  Speaker 3: And when it comes to a Cam Boozer, like if
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  Speaker 3: if you want to pick him third, excuse me, second
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  Speaker 3: to the Jazz instead of Peterson, I'm not gonna fault
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  Speaker 3: you in the least because all that young man has
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  Speaker 3: done everywhere he's been has won state high school basketball championships,
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  Speaker 3: Peach jam eyb L championships with the night Riders, which
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  Speaker 3: is funny when he was teammates with Caleb Wilson on
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  Speaker 3: that squad. I know that Duke didn't win the national
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  Speaker 3: championship last year, but my goodness, they're a freak miracle
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  Speaker 3: shot in the elite e from making the final four
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  Speaker 3: and then who knows what happens.
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  Speaker 2: He's the National Player of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: The pedigree of being Carlos boozers Son. He knows basketball
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  Speaker 3: inside and out, and I know that the athletics and
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  Speaker 3: some of that, and I don't mean the a's. I
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  Speaker 3: mean his athleticism doesn't just like jump off the page
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  Speaker 3: at you like these other guys in the top four.
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  Speaker 3: But but how could you not as a basketball person
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  Speaker 3: just look at the tape look at what Kamboozer does
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  Speaker 3: again and again and again and think, man, how could
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  Speaker 3: he miss in the NBA?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is I'm glad you brought up the athleticism thing.
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  Speaker 1: We saw some tape of him at the combine where
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  Speaker 1: people are like, oh jeez, what he doesn't doesn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: look all that quick footed here.
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  Speaker 2: He's just he's big.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a big kid, you know, like today's NBA
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  Speaker 1: when we're talking about perimeter defenders, when we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: guys who have to be versatile in that and knowing
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  Speaker 1: what the Utah Jazz have already, which you do. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's also that question positional fit is a big thing here.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you if you're gonna keep loading up guys
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  Speaker 1: that could be front court players?
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  Speaker 2: What kind of other moves do you have to make?
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  Speaker 2: Is Cam Boozer.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody that at the NBA level with his body type,
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  Speaker 1: with his athleticism, with his foot speed, that you could
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  Speaker 1: be you could envision being someone who's versatile enough to
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  Speaker 1: defend two guards on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 2: He did have to do a lot of switching, He's not.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny we made all that about his
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  Speaker 3: athleticism and we saw some of his testing numbers at
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  Speaker 3: the combine be right there with the Caleb Wilson, who's
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  Speaker 3: viewed as a higher level athlete than is Cam.
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  Speaker 2: And he you know, Sean, what's funny.
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  Speaker 3: About Cam is even where the athleticism falls apart a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, He's got some of that like Ymca Wiley,
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  Speaker 3: crafty veteran vibe where I'm gonna trust him to do
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  Speaker 3: enough to make those switches and not get played off
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  Speaker 3: the court in those kind of moments. And I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you do have to consider positional fit, but at the
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  Speaker 3: I always go back and forth top into the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Here it's dude, I don't care about positional fit.
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  Speaker 3: I just want the dude that could be a top
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  Speaker 3: fifty all time NBA player. If you think that's there,
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  Speaker 3: you just don't even think about it and you go
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  Speaker 3: get him and let the pieces fall where they may.
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  Speaker 3: But when you've got these three four guys at the
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  Speaker 3: top in debonsa, Peterson, Boozer, and Wilson, if you feel
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  Speaker 3: pretty as a front office, if you feel pretty similar
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  Speaker 3: about all of them, then there are.
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  Speaker 2: Positional fit questions.
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  Speaker 3: And at that point you do say, what is our
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  Speaker 3: greatest need here, if all things being equal amongst these
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  Speaker 3: four guys, what do we need as an organization?
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  Speaker 2: And then you go after that. But I just feel.
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  Speaker 3: Like, like I'm always I get that numbers at the
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  Speaker 3: combine have to matter from a measurement standpoint and a
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  Speaker 3: testing standpoint, But I always hate at both the NFL
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  Speaker 3: combine and the NBA combine, when we let the numbers
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  Speaker 3: overshadow all of the tape and all of the footage
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  Speaker 3: and all of the winning and everything we always see.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, don't have to balance each other out, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: Let what happened at the combine, which isn't wildly negative,
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  Speaker 3: overshadow what I've seen from Cambooser for years now.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac Shade for another couple of minutes here on the
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  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show, talking a little bit about all of
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  Speaker 1: these prospects at the top of the upcoming NBA draft.
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  Speaker 1: What you've seen of aj Debonsa, what we've all seen
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  Speaker 1: of Darren Peterson and that does include some question marks,
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  Speaker 1: and what you've seen of Cam Boozer. Is any of
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  Speaker 1: these guys worth trying to chase number one and trading
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  Speaker 1: away future assets or trading away an important player now
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  Speaker 1: to try to ensure that you can move from two
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  Speaker 1: as the Utah Jazz to get up to one or
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  Speaker 1: maybe you know, some team further down the line. Given
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  Speaker 1: how deep this draft class seems to be, is it
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  Speaker 1: going to be worth it for someone at six, seven
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  Speaker 1: or eight to jump up into the top three to
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  Speaker 1: grab one of these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it going both.
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  Speaker 3: Way, Sean, And that's what's interesting and what I kind
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  Speaker 3: of love about the what I would call the sections
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: of this draft, because I feel like being at two
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: for the Jazz, like if you just go straight up
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: and don't trade any picks. If you're at two, you
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: just take de Bonsa or Peterson, whoever's left. If you're
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: the Bulls at four, you just take whoever's left amongst
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: those big four. And then five through nine, we have
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: this whole run of these five guards that is really
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: intriguing to me, where I think each of them have
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: unique things that excite me a lot, whether it's Woggler,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: whether it's Darius Aka from Mikel Brown, Kingston Flemings, Braden
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Burry's from Arizona.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I like all of those guys.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And so there's a world in which I could see,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: if you're the Jazz saying, if we're going to spend
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: all this money on a top two pick, certainly aj
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: de Bonca has the higher floor than the question marks
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: of Darren Peterson.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: As a general manager, you're.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Always trying to say, like I don't want to be
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the laughing stock of the NBA if I get this wrong.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: So there's all that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So there is a world in which you might trade
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: back for one of those guards to maybe try to
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: pair with Keante or something of that nature, and especially
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: if the right package is there and you get a
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: stockpile of assets from trading back. But again, as we
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: talked about earlier, with all the connections to Utah and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, with aj, if you feel so much
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: more strongly about him than the question marks of Darren Peterson,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: it's hard to think about not trying to put together
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: a package to trade up for him. And you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: given the question marks with Darren Peterson, I would rather
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: maybe pass on him and look silly because he ends
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: up being a guy than the more surefire thing of
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: a Dabansa. And if I've got it depends on the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: level of the question marks. How red are the red flags?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I just I would definitely have cause and reason for
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: caution with that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And so there's a.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: World in which I'm either trying to trade up or back,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a very real conversation that I
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: would at least try to have.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Apropos of nothing.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Do you have a horse in the race besides the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: US men's national team in this World Cup.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I was born in England. Oh wow.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: My parents were missionaries there, so I always cheer for
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: team England also. So usually my buddies and I pick
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: our fantasy football draft order based on the Indy five hundred,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: where each assigned a racer and whatever ordered those racers finishing.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: But one of our buddy, one of the guys in
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: the league, used an AI tool to assign one of
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: us eat like we each get like four teams and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: created a whole like basically fantasy system to create.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Scores on that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I've got four teams that have been assigned
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to me randomly. Funny enough, one of them is England,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: So I'm like all in on those four teams, and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: none of them are America.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: So it's ten USA and those four countries. Who are they?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I want to know.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I want to know where you're gonna be in your
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: fantasy draft coming up.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So those uh, it's England. I got to find my
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: way back to it. I just moved away from that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: page where to go. There we go.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I've got England, Belgium, South Korea, Sweden, and South Africa.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So I was wrong. I've got five five teams. Okay, I.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thought I was doing well, but then I realized red
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: cards are minus four points and so South Africa really
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: screwed me in that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Very first match of the entire tournament. No, it was awful.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Why that's I don't that's where we're throwing a red
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: card on your friend who made that system.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: That's not good? You thank you? Wow, that's awesome.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, that's that's a that's a fun way to
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: stay engaged with the tournament. I like that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Smart love it. Did you see Spain just tied like
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: some random country people?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, Kpe, fair little island nation, Portuguese speaking island nation.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Off the coast of Africa. Amazing. Man, that's what it's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: all about. Man.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: The goalie is in tears because he kept a clean sheet. Man,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the like I know, we love winning and all this stuff.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: That Man, it's the people, it's the stories that we
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: tell behind the games themselves.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm here for it absolutely, Isaac. Appreciate your time, enjoy
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the draft. We won't speak with you, I don't think
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: before then, but we'll catch up shortly after.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Man. That sounds great. Sean, have a Great Week
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Brother Isaac Shade, host of Locked On College Basketball, Locked
• 21:42
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