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Cries from the Cross with Dr. Erwin Lutzer & Hope in Iran with Dr. Hormoz Shariat · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S2: tricks but tips and tricks.
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew. Well, next year, next year, next year.
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  S6: Next year is going to be the year. Well, we're
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  S6: three games into the baseball season.
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  S3: And.
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  S6: Neither team is broadcasting from Chicago. I just got to
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  S6: quickly say this. It's we're looking for next year. We're
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  S6: looking forward to next year.
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  S4: You can't start talking about.
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  S3: Starting.
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  S6: Three games, three games.
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  S3: Yet.
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  S6: No I'm.
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  S3: Optimistic.
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  S6: I'm optimistic. Next year is our year.
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  S4: But it's not how you start.
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  S3: Could still be.
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  S4: How you finish.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: You know it's true about that. But I'm really looking
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  S6: forward to next year.
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  S4: So what makes you so certain?
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  S6: Oh, no. No, I just I get my hopes up
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  S6: too high. Does anyone else do that? Oh, every season
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  S6: with the high school team that you have with your
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  S6: kid's T-ball league. Do you ever get so hopeful for
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  S6: that season and then realize next year is going to
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  S6: be the year? And it's an optimistic thing, because the
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  S6: beautiful thing about sports until the Lord returns is we
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  S6: got next year.
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  S2: There's always next year.
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  S6: There's always next year.
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  S2: Yeah. You know though with baseball there's still this year
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  S2: because there are so many games. I know in 2017,
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  S2: right after the Cubs won the World Series, we famously
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  S2: started out horribly. You're right. We hit the all star
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  S2: break halfway through the season at 40 and 40, which
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  S2: is not good. And then we came up, won a
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  S2: ton of games in the second half, won the division.
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  S6: And went to Cleveland and eked it out in the in,
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  S6: in on on enemy territory.
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  S2: And then we. And then. Well that was for the
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  S2: World Series. Yes. And that. But then.
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  S6: Isn't that the year you're talking.
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  S2: About 2016.
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  S6: Oh I'm sorry.
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  S2: No, 2017 was the year after the World Series, but
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  S2: we still made it to the championship, uh, series in
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  S2: the playoffs and almost made it to the World Series.
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  S6: So we'll sing it with me. Next year is gonna
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  S6: be a good year. I mean, the funny thing about it,
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  S6: by the way, speaking of next year, did anybody see
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  S6: The Rainmaker from the logo for UConn that beat Duke
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  S6: last night.
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  S4: Yes. Oh my goodness.
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  S6: Oh my goodness.
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  S2: I did not see that.
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  S4: I did.
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  S6: Not.
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  S4: Watch the game. But I got a text from a
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  S4: family member saying, you have to turn on this game.
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  S4: So I literally turned it on with 26.6 seconds. It
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  S4: was a time out. The UConn had the ball down by.
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  S6: Up, down two points.
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  S4: Down two points.
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  S6: All Duke had to do was inbound the ball and
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  S6: hold on to it and get fouled. That's all they
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  S6: had to do, all they had.
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  S4: I think there was a foul in there. So then
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  S4: it ended up with UConn down by.
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  S6: Yeah the last 10s because I watched it were UConn
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  S6: was down by two. All Duke had to do was
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  S6: inbound the ball, hold on to it and get fouled.
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  S6: And that would have been the best. And bless his heart,
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  S6: I'm not even going to say who it was because
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  S6: he's the team leader and I think he's a true
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  S6: freshman anyway. He tried to just it's instinct man. You
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  S6: want to break presses? And they double teamed them about midcourt,
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  S6: and he tried to throw it over four hands and
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  S6: it got tipped and UConn grabbed it and they pumped
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  S6: it to the three point line. That guy who's their
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  S6: best shooter probably wasn't wide open. So he kicks it
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  S6: back out to a guy that's standing on the logo.
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  S6: And he literally does a set shot because you can't
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  S6: shoot a jumper from 40ft. You know, it's more of
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  S6: a set shot. And it was nothing but net with
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  S6: 0.04 seconds left.
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  S4: It was I mean, it was one of those things
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  S4: that if you're a basketball fan, no matter who you
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  S4: are rooting for, your your mouth drops open because it
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  S4: was such an odd ending. Because the game was over.
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  S4: It was over. It was over. Duke was supposed to
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  S4: win that game just on based on how it played out.
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  S6: Oh man, it was something else. And I don't watch
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  S6: these games because I don't have time, but I'm on
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  S6: the way home. I was praying with my assistant, who's
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  S6: going in for a bit of a operation today, and
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  S6: praying with her and her husband. My bride and I
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  S6: were driving down the road and then our buddy Bill says,
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  S6: I said, you don't know what's going on. At the
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  S6: end of the prayer. I said, you don't know what's
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  S6: going on in the Yukon do game, do you? He goes, man,
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  S6: it's close. They'd been down 19. So I beat feet
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  S6: at home. Kick it on. We see the last couple.
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  S6: That was the craziest ending to a game.
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  S4: It's been a wild March Madness. I don't know if
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  S4: you I don't know if anyone else has been following it,
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  S4: but a lot of wild endings on both the men
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  S4: and the women side.
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  S2: I haven't seen, I just I've been following whether Illinois
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  S2: is winning or not.
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  S6: Oh my goodness. So yeah, if you're a Yukon fan,
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  S6: how are you doing this morning? Text us 800 555 7898.
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  S6: Total elation.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S6: Man, if.
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  S4: You're a Duke fan.
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  S6: Yeah. Don't even. I don't want to.
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  S2: Ask.
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  S7: About that.
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  S4: I know it's been two years in a row of
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  S4: really heartbreaking March Madness finishes. I'm sorry.
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  S6: Isn't competition something else? I don't care what it is.
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  S6: Baking shows, you name it, man. Competition. I mean, this
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  S6: is why reality TV is so popular. Like survivor. Still surviving.
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  S6: They're in their 50th season.
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  S2: Yeah. That's crazy.
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  S4: You pit people against each other to do just about anything.
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  S4: You put a little music to it some. It's easy
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  S4: to get pulled into these narratives and you watch a
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  S4: game like Duke, UConn for 20s, and then you become
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  S4: a fan of of a team that gets a crazy
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  S4: win and you're like, yeah, I'm all in. On UConn
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  S4: Bandwagon Central.
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  S6: You know, I gotta tell you, I think I know
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  S6: a competition that we could put out there on, on
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  S6: like Facebook Live. And I don't know that we could
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  S6: do it young Thunder, but you and me versus super
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  S6: D and Ali in two on two kind of beach volleyball.
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  S2: Oh, beach. Okay. I thought you were gonna say basketball.
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  S2: If it's basketball, it's gonna be the saddest experience for
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  S2: me because I'm horrible at basketball. But volleyball.
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  S6: Volleyball.
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  S2: Beach volleyball is different. I could do regular volleyball.
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  S6: Oh, you can't jump in the sand either. See, my
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  S6: feet are too small for the size of my body,
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  S6: and I just. It doesn't work.
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  S4: Ali's a volleyball expert.
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  S6: Oh, yeah, she's a volleyball pro.
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  S4: Yeah. Okay. That's that's generous. That's generous. My my volleyball
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  S4: playing years are now well in the past.
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  S6: Ali, memory muscle is a real thing. It is a
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  S6: real thing. And you would spike it into our face.
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  S6: It would be so brutal.
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  S2: All of us. You'd crush all of us. I don't
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  S2: know if you guys have ever experienced this before, but
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  S2: I did this over the weekend and I was like, oh,
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  S2: that's a different thing for me. So I I'm 30 now,
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  S2: so I'm getting up there in age.
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  S6: Oh, okay.
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  S4: Okay. Everybody grow together.
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  S6: Could we grown? Yes. I'm with super die. Could we
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  S6: all grown at one time? Oh.
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  S5: All right, now finish your story.
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  S2: Driving in the car with my family and. And I
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  S2: sneezed so hard my knees hurt. Have you guys ever.
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  S2: I sneezed so hard that my knees hurt. Oh, I
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  S2: don't know if you guys have ever experienced this, bro.
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  S5: You might have.
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  S4: Pinched something in your back. Is that a 30 year
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  S4: old thing?
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  S2: I don't know, it must be because it never happened before.
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  S6: It's related for.
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  S2: Sure. And the muscles in my knees started aching really bad.
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  S2: As soon as that happened, I looked at my wife.
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  S2: I said, I don't, I don't know what just happened,
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  S2: but my knees are killing me.
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  S6: And your knees hit the steering wheel and you didn't
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  S6: know it?
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  S2: No, no, it just tightened so hard. They like overexerted
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  S2: themselves and then they were.
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  S4: I don't think you're at the age where that kind
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  S4: of random stuff happens. I feel like you've got a
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  S4: couple more years.
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  S2: Okay, good. I don't want it to keep happening, but.
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  S4: You do reach a point. I feel like where you
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  S4: do start to have these random things that.
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  S2: Pains from normal, everyday things.
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  S4: Like how did that happen? I don't know, how did
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  S4: I get that bruise? I don't know. Middle age, I guess.
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  S5: You wake up and you're like, when did that happen?
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  S4: Why am I creaking? I went to bed. Okay.
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  S5: I'm 30.
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  S2: Now. I just needed to. I needed to clarify with
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  S2: you guys.
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  S5: We'll let you slide.
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  S2: Thank you.
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  S6: When your angle ankle started and let me know because
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  S6: then I'm going to. We got we got real problems.
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  S2: Then we got to go see a doctor.
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  S8: That's good.
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  S6: Well, we went around Mccready's barn.
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  S4: I don't know if we had a point to start.
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  S6: No, nothing.
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  S2: There's always next year. I think that's where you start.
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  S4: Oh, okay.
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  S6: We've got next year. That's what Young Thunder and I
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  S6: are going to sing with the beach volleyball classic we've
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  S6: got next year.
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  S2: It ain't happening this time, that's for sure.
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  S6: Ali, all super day. All you do is set.
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  S4: Well, Super Di had some volleyball playing experience, too.
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  S6: That's what I'm saying.
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  S4: She sets it, too.
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  S6: She sets it to Ali.
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  S5: Yeah, that's exactly.
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  S6: What Ali just with her wingspan and her height. She
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  S6: just puts it in our face and it's all over.
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  S2: I tried out for volleyball in middle school. I didn't
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  S2: make the team, but I was good enough to try out.
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  S4: Good enough.
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  S6: Good enough to try.
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  S2: Out.
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  S6: And I was.
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  S5: Good.
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  S6: Okay, that's in the next year category. Okay.
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  S4: That's in one way of putting it.
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  S6: That's in the category of. Yes.
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  S2: I think it was rigged. I think I should have
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  S2: been on the team. That's all I'm saying.
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  S4: I can't believe they did cuts.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S4: Most middle schools don't cut anyone.
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  S2: A lot of kids trying out. It was an elite
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  S2: group of kids. Elite group of middle school. 13 year old.
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  S4: Boys. Volleyball players at that.
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  S5: To cut back in the day.
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  S6: Well they they should have on the team I was
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  S6: on I was on a basketball middle school team in
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  S6: no joking. He would line us up in groups of
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  S6: five beyond the top ten. No kidding. There were 7
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  S6: or 8, I forget 7 or 8 groups of five
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  S6: guys on the bench. And so we would sit there
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  S6: lined up in the bleachers five in a row and
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  S6: guess where I was second from the top.
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  S4: And so how long would you get in the game for?
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  S6: Oh, I got in for 30s because as the game was,
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  S6: we didn't get in till the second half. But as
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  S6: the game was winding down and I think in that
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  S6: game we were getting killed. So he'd just start bringing
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  S6: him down next row and they'd hit the deck and
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  S6: then next row and I'm like, I looked at my buddies,
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  S6: I'm going, it's coming to us. And my one buddy,
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  S6: we were we were both sprinters. And he's like, you
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  S6: know what? I think this is my last year. I
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  S6: said for sure my last year, I mean, I got
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  S6: in for 30s and here's what happens when kid gets
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  S6: in for 30s. If you get the ball, you shoot.
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  S6: It doesn't matter where you are.
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  S2: Whatever, whatever you.
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  S6: Got to do, it doesn't matter where you are. I'm
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  S6: even up things from logo like just beyond half court
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  S6: and the coach is looking at me going, what are
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  S6: you doing? I said, I get in for two seconds.
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  S6: I'm going to shoot. Going to shoot from wherever I am.
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  S6: That's hilarious. Don't call me the assist leader with this
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  S6: kind of a. Rigmarole going on.
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  S4: Yeah. There's not any passing happening there.
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  S6: Oh.
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  S8: Oh.
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  S6: Okay. Coming up, I promise you, we're going to get
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  S6: on track here. Sorry, guys. Live radio. Ali got it
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  S6: all started telling you what.
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  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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  S1: Carl and crew.
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  S6: Uh, quick flyby here. Holy week. Boy, what a week
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  S6: we're in here. And if you go back 2000 years,
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  S6: you know that Jesus came into Jerusalem on a donkey,
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  S6: on a foal. And as he came in, they were
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  S6: laying it out. Palm branches, things waving, cloaks being laid
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  S6: on the ground. Hosanna King Jesus, come and rescue us. Now,
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  S6: the interesting thing about the difference between Palm Sunday, as
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  S6: we commonly call it that, and the crucifixion of Christ.
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  S6: The gap between fans versus friends. Man. Massive. So we
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  S6: want to be realistic. Flavius Josephus puts the numbers. He's
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  S6: Jewish historian and he's got numbers like way inflated of
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  S6: how many people were in Jerusalem. But realistically, based on
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  S6: the study extensive that I did leading up to a
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  S6: message I gave yesterday for which when a pastor gets
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  S6: in and preaches, he can't share but about 10% of
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  S6: what he studied. Otherwise, you're going to be there longer
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  S6: than anyone wants to be. Probably. But here's the reality.
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  S6: Probably 180, 190,000 people in Jerusalem, something like that for Passover.
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  S6: And then the amount of people that were on the
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  S6: road or ushering him in could have been Probably really
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  S6: high hundreds, maybe low thousands. We don't know for sure,
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  S6: but it was a sizable crowd enough where people would
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  S6: have taken notice and everybody in the city for the
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  S6: festival and for the commemoration of Passover, they would have
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  S6: known something's going on out there. But the amount of
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  S6: people at the old Rugged Cross, probably three dozen, maybe
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  S6: 10 to 12 real friends of Jesus. That's it. That's
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  S6: quite a drop off. Even with realistic numbers. Not even
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  S6: Flavius Josephus numbers. That's quite a drop off right now.
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  S4: And then. So you have to ask, well, why? Why
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  S4: did so many people who were curious enough to be there? Yeah. Uh,
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  S4: I think I'm out on this.
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  S6: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what one thing is. What
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  S6: happened right after he got into Jerusalem. This this will
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  S6: take your fans and show you who your real friends are. immediately,
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  S6: and we'll give you that story and why that happened.
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  S6: Hang on.
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  S6: I don't know if this will fire you up or not,
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  S6: but I guess it could. So you got to ask
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  S6: the question, how did Jesus go from hero to zero
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  S6: in the eyes of so many people? How can he? Ah,
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  S6: how can you come in fulfilling prophecy on a donkey
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  S6: on a foal? People are shouting Hosanna! The King has
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  S6: come laying down cloaks, waving palm branches. And then there'd
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  S6: just be a handful of people at the crucifixion who
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  S6: stood with him still. And you gotta just look at
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  S6: what happens. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You just see
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  S6: it unfolding. Jesus comes in Jerusalem. He goes straight into
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  S6: the temple. You got the text there, Ali?
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  S4: Yeah. This is Matthew 21, verse 12 and 13. And
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  S4: Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold
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  S4: and bought in the temple. And he overturned the tables
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  S4: of the money changers and the seats of those who
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  S4: sold pigeons. He said to them, it is written, my
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  S4: house shall be called a house of prayer, but you
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  S4: make it a den of robbers.
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  S6: Yeah. Here's the here's the back story on this one.
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  S6: So they're selling pigeons at inflated like Passover pricing. So
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  S6: it's they knew they had a captive audience. They know
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  S6: that they have people that are feeling a deep sense
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  S6: of obligation, and they're just going to ding them big time.
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  S6: And what's crazy is, is that the Pharisees and the
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  S6: elites and the money changers, they would have been dressed
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  S6: pretty well. By the way, it's an interesting thing, you
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  S6: might wonder, is this where he pronounces judgment on the
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  S6: Pharisees for what they're doing? And just cheers for the
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  S6: widow who gave two copper coins? No, it's actually Tuesday.
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  S6: Jesus doubles down in Holy Week. So he hits. He
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  S6: hits him here. By the way, when he's flipping over
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  S6: the money changers tables, again, this is not a molded
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  S6: plastic table from Costco. These are slabs of stone. Was
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  S6: Jesus strong? Yeah. He grabbed those bad boys and flipped
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  S6: them over. Money's going everywhere. It's a mess. Uh, the
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  S6: Pharisees are scared to death and they're ticked off. So
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  S6: I think what happened with the crowd on Palm Sunday,
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  S6: a lot of them thin out right now because, I mean,
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  S6: who are you going to salute? The the one who
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  S6: claims to be the savior of your people or those
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  S6: that hold the purse strings and really have the ability to.
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  S6: Really make you pay a price if you if you
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  S6: salute the deity of Jesus Christ. I mean, this is
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  S6: a big deal, man. This is a cultural challenge.
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  S2: And I think one of the things about this too is,
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  S2: and I, you know, the, the chosen did their Holy
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  S2: Week season, I think last year. Uh, but I never
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  S2: thought about it this way. When, when Jesus is coming
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  S2: in and people are shouting Hosanna. They're expecting him to
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  S2: take over to to get the Roman government out. And,
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  S2: and one of the first things he does is go
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  S2: to the temple and starts flipping things in the temple.
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  S6: He goes to his own people.
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  S2: He goes to his own people, and they're like, this
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  S2: isn't what we thought you were gonna be doing when
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  S2: you came in here. What you're getting after your own people.
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  S2: We we expected you to come after the Romans. What
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  S2: are you doing?
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  S6: And they know good and well it's a corrupt system.
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  S6: By the way, this isn't wink, wink. Nobody knew. Including
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  S6: the widow. One of the coolest takes on this. The
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  S6: widow's story is when you put in your offering, you
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  S6: put it in a trumpet looking vessel, and the offering
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  S6: would go in and it would make noise, don't you know? Oh, man. Right.
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  S6: So it would make noise. And so it became showtime, man.
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  S6: The guys that have a lot of stuff. Oh, wow.
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  S6: Look at that. So when the widow stepped up, she
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  S6: gave she gave the story of the widow. Just a
• 18:55
  S6: quick sidebar here. The story of the widow's mite. What
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  S6: makes it astounding is that she gave everything she had.
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  S6: Knowing these guys that were taking her monies were so
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  S6: undeserving of this. Why she did it for the eyes
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  S6: of God. Isn't that something nobody could even discern when
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  S6: her two little dink dinks hit the bottom of the
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  S6: trumpet vessel? But boy, did Jesus open a can. I
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  S6: gotta believe that a lot of those many hundreds or
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  S6: a thousand, 2000 people that were shouting Hosanna at this
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  S6: time are going, yeah, okay, I'm out.
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  S4: So what about this particular act? Do you think would have.
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  S4: Because if you think about it like so that Jesus
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  S4: is sort of advocating for the the regular people who
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  S4: are being clearly extorted. Right?
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  S6: Yeah, there's no doubt.
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  S4: What about this would have made people turn away? Obviously
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  S4: the religious elite, those who were extorting. But what about
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  S4: everybody else.
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  S6: For fear of the Sanhedrin? Fear of the fear of
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  S6: the Pharisees. Just straight up fear. I really believe that.
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  S6: I think the cultural pressure to go with those that
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  S6: are in charge is probably too much to overcome. To
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  S6: follow a guy who's, who's, who's done miracles for three years.
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  S6: But it's one man against this whole system.
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  S4: So him putting himself against like pitting himself against the
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  S4: religious elite, the against the Pharisees would make people feel
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  S4: like they have to pick a side and they're going
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  S4: to go with the the Pharisees.
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  S6: I'll just go with my own heart here. It would.
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  S6: Me without being born again. I'll put it on me.
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  S6: I don't know if I could have stood up to that.
• 20:46
  S6: Just being honest here. That's a lot of pressure. And
• 20:48
  S6: if you're not born again and you're not filled with
• 20:50
  S6: the spirit. So a lot of a lot of those
• 20:53
  S6: folks that, you know, you gotta remember, you gotta fast.
• 20:57
  S6: Fast forward unto the day of Pentecost. I mean, was
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  S6: there a revival on Pentecost that was just almost hard
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  S6: to get your head around? Thousands of men, women and
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  S6: children who surrendered to Jesus. Yeah. But it wasn't until
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  S6: after he was raised from the dead that that it
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  S6: really came home to them. That, wow, he is the
• 21:20
  S6: Messiah who we put to death. That was Peter's great message.
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  S6: But yeah, this Holy Week is an interesting week because
• 21:28
  S6: it's holy because Jesus wrote alone, man. I mean, it turned,
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  S6: didn't it, guys, quickly.
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  S2: I mean, very quickly. Five days.
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  S6: Isn't that sobering? And so what are let's get a
• 21:41
  S6: couple quick takeaways on this lesson. I mean, one of
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  S6: the takeaways is no matter what cultural powers do we
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  S6: walk with Jesus. Still hard isn't it though?
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  S8: Yeah.
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  S2: Yeah. It's hard. We we have to look at Jesus
• 21:59
  S2: and keep our eyes on him because there are a
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  S2: lot of powers, a lot of people, a lot of
• 22:05
  S2: influence that would try to pull us a different way.
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  S2: And it can be scary sometimes to stand up against
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  S2: those things. Uh, it was for Peter, uh, but only
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  S2: by Christ's power in us do we have the ability
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  S2: to keep our eyes on him and keep looking towards him.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S4: And I think when you look at this passage, verse 13, um,
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  S4: he said to them, it is written, my house shall
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  S4: be called a house of prayer, but you make it
• 22:26
  S4: a den of robbers. I mean, intent and purpose really matters.
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  S4: And so when we think about our own church services,
• 22:35
  S4: our own places of worship. What what is the primary
• 22:38
  S4: thing that's happening there? What's the primary purpose for us
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  S4: being there? And it's easier than we might realize to
• 22:44
  S4: get kind of into the things that maybe we're not
• 22:48
  S4: selling pigeons, but there's other things that are happening that
• 22:51
  S4: aren't necessarily the may shouldn't be the main focus.
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  S6: Yeah. I mean, what could God say? I guess he could.
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  S6: He could. If Jesus were here, he could flip over
• 23:00
  S6: the table of spectatorship and say, you weren't to be spectators.
• 23:05
  S6: You were to be commuters. This is a place where
• 23:07
  S6: you meet with me. This is all. This is a
• 23:10
  S6: holy assembly here. Holy week man, Holy week.
• 23:16
  S1: He was running from God. But God's love brought him home.
• 23:20
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 23:24
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 23:26
  S6: Okay, guys, coming up here. Speaking of Holy Week. Oh
• 23:29
  S6: my goodness. We're going to be not sequential. We're going
• 23:32
  S6: to give you the sequential thing all throughout Holy Week,
• 23:35
  S6: but we're going to duck in and out, hit different aspects.
• 23:37
  S6: And we got Doctor Lutzer coming up here. Ali.
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  S4: Yeah. Cries from the cross. What were those things that, uh,
• 23:43
  S4: the words that Jesus actually uttered and what do we
• 23:46
  S4: need to learn from them even in this Holy Week
• 23:49
  S4: coming up, Pastor Erwin Lutzer.
• 23:52
  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
• 23:56
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 23:59
  S6: All week long. Boom crew. We're looking at the narrative
• 24:01
  S6: of what is classically known as Holy Week. It's an
• 24:04
  S6: incredible week. The words that Jesus spoke to his disciples.
• 24:08
  S6: I'm reminded of John chapter 15, Young Thunder, when we
• 24:12
  S6: talk about favorites. And Ali, that's right in there with
• 24:15
  S6: yours as well.
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  S7: Oh, yeah.
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  S6: Just the reality that apart from God, we can do nothing,
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  S6: but it's to God's glory that we bear much fruit.
• 24:24
  S6: What a beautiful promise that is. But then we march
• 24:28
  S6: all the way to the cross. And then on the
• 24:30
  S6: cross you see Jesus speaking some final words or what
• 24:34
  S6: Pastor Lutzer has called the Seven Cries. He's with us
• 24:38
  S6: right now. Pastor Lutzer, this is a great week for
• 24:42
  S6: a holy reset for all of us, isn't it?
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  S9: It really is. And what we need to understand is
• 24:48
  S9: the cross really is a focal point not only for Christianity,
• 24:54
  S9: but in some sense for the whole world. But imagine
• 24:56
  S9: this where do we see the greatest love at the cross?
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  S9: Where do we see the greatest justice at the cross?
• 25:06
  S9: Where do we see all of the attributes of God
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  S9: displayed but at the cross? So it is pivotal. And
• 25:14
  S9: no wonder Paul says, God forbid that I should glory
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  S9: except in the cross of Christ.
• 25:20
  S4: We have Pastor Erwin Lutzer, Doctor Erwin Lutzer with us
• 25:22
  S4: right now, pastor emeritus of Moody Church. You can hear
• 25:25
  S4: him on his radio program running to win here on
• 25:28
  S4: Moody Radio. You authored the book cries from the cross.
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  S4: Let's talk about some of these cries. What about a
• 25:35
  S4: cry for pardon? Jesus's cry for pardon?
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  S9: Well, you know, that's actually the first cry where he said, father,
• 25:43
  S9: forgive them, for they know not what they do. Now,
• 25:47
  S9: in one sense, they did know what they were doing,
• 25:50
  S9: but it's also very clear that they didn't know the
• 25:54
  S9: absolute horror of what they were doing. As a matter
• 25:58
  S9: of fact, I think there's somewhere in the scripture where
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  S9: it talks about for had they known it, they would
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  S9: not have crucified the Lord of glory. We should not
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  S9: look at that cry as if Jesus was absolving everyone,
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  S9: and that everyone who was connected with the cross was
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  S9: going to be forgiven. It was really a prayer for
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  S9: those for whom it was intended. And when you think
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  S9: of the centurion who believed on Christ right there, you
• 26:25
  S9: go to the book of acts. You see thousands of
• 26:28
  S9: people converted. So Jesus, however, was showing his heart. Imagine this.
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  S9: There he is on the cross. And what is he doing?
• 26:39
  S9: He's offering forgiveness. Amazing.
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  S6: It's truly amazing. Another statement that was made to one
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  S6: of the two thieves. Truly, I say to you today
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  S6: you will be with me in Paradise. So much packed
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  S6: into that theologically, isn't it, pastor?
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  S9: It really is. And you know, I just absolutely love
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  S9: that because notice that Jesus is the king to the
• 27:04
  S9: very end there on the cross. Now, I want us
• 27:08
  S9: to imagine that man. He's looking at Jesus. Jesus looks
• 27:13
  S9: just as much vilified as his partner on the other
• 27:18
  S9: side of Jesus. Why does he say, remember me when
• 27:22
  S9: you come into your kingdom? It's because as people were
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  S9: walking by, they would read what the cross of Christ,
• 27:30
  S9: the superscription that was on the cross. King of the Jews.
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  S9: So he thought to himself, if he's a king, he
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  S9: must have a kingdom. And so he says, remember me
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  S9: when you come into your kingdom. He didn't even have
• 27:47
  S9: the nerve to say, accept me, but remember me, right?
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  S9: And Jesus said, today you shall be with me in Paradise.
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  S9: Here is a thief who no doubt had an early
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  S9: morning breakfast with his cohort, who was also a thief,
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  S9: and he's going to sup with Christ at the end
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  S9: of the day. Yeah, what an amazing story. But it
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  S9: shows the authority of Jesus.
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  S4: Wow. You know, one of the unique, I think one
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  S4: of the cries from the cross is when Jesus gives
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  S4: an assignment. Woman, behold your son, and behold your mother.
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  S4: This interesting detail that he thinks to care for his
• 28:30
  S4: mother even as he's in agony. Talk a little bit
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  S4: about that one.
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  S9: Well, you see the selflessness of Jesus. I mean, here
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  S9: he is in agony. And what is he concerned about?
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  S9: He's concerned about his mother, and he puts her under
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  S9: the care of John. And the Bible says that after
• 28:47
  S9: that John brought her into his home and cared for her.
• 28:52
  S9: So even on the cross, Jesus was thinking of others.
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  S9: And what a beautiful reminder of the fact that here
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  S9: he is going through incredible agony. We need to understand this.
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  S9: Hell is forever. Now imagine the judgment of hell, which
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  S9: goes on forever, crammed into three dark hours on the cross.
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  S9: It's not possible for us to grasp what Jesus was
• 29:23
  S9: going through. This was not just physical agony. This was
• 29:27
  S9: spiritual agony. Yeah. This was, of course, an issue with
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  S9: his father. It's not as if God broke up his unity,
• 29:38
  S9: but I think it is the next cry where Jesus says,
• 29:41
  S9: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Fellowship
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  S9: with the father was broken.
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  S6: Yeah, that's an interesting statement. That one gets taken out
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  S6: of context often. Give us some clarity on that one, pastor.
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  S9: Well, it's very interesting, Karl, that this is the only
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  S9: time when Jesus refers to his father as God, my God,
• 30:05
  S9: my God. But he still believes because he says, My God,
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  S9: my God, why have you forsaken me? He's going through
• 30:16
  S9: a break in fellowship, not a break in the ontological
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  S9: unity of the Trinity. And then isn't it interesting that
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  S9: his very last cry. He says, father, into thy hands
• 30:31
  S9: I commit my spirit. So at the end, fellowship with
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  S9: the father is back. But for now, as he's bearing
• 30:39
  S9: sin now, this needs to be clarified. There was no
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  S9: sin in him, but our sin was laid upon him,
• 30:48
  S9: and he was bearing our guilt, and he was bearing
• 30:52
  S9: the suffering that came with our sin. And there he
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  S9: was on the cross. And even the fellowship with the
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  S9: father was broken, but it was restored at the end.
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  S6: So beautiful. We see the efficacy of God's grace. We
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  S6: see the humanity of the God-Man Jesus, and we see
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  S6: the incredible mercy by crying out, forgive them, for they
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  S6: know not what they do. Coming up here, there is
• 31:21
  S6: another statement, a cry from the cross. One last that
• 31:26
  S6: we want to touch on, and Doctor Lutzer has done
• 31:29
  S6: a deep dive on this truth. Hang on.
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  S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is
• 31:37
  S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Well, this one last cry from the cross is an
• 31:44
  S6: important one. Doctor Lutzer is our guest right now. I
• 31:48
  S6: guess we don't need to ID him, but we might
• 31:50
  S6: as well. Ali.
• 31:51
  S4: You know him from running to win a daily Bible
• 31:54
  S4: teaching broadcast heard on Moody Radio and around the world.
• 31:57
  S4: He's also pastor emeritus of Moody Church.
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  S6: All right, pastor, I thirst. What in the world is
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  S6: going on with those two words?
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  S9: First of all, I just want us to grasp what
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  S9: Jesus is saying. Here he is. He's the creator of
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  S9: the oceans and the rivers of the world. And he
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  S9: is thirsty in this passage of Scripture. And this comes
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  S9: to us from John chapter 19. We see the humanity
• 32:25
  S9: of Jesus and, well, mighty thirst. I mean, when you
• 32:30
  S9: stop to think of it, he was arrested. He spent
• 32:33
  S9: the night in jail. He has the trials, he's been lacerated.
• 32:37
  S9: He's carrying his own cross. And it is said that
• 32:41
  S9: crucifixion is really slow dehydration. So there is Jesus and
• 32:48
  S9: he says, I thirst. What a representation of his humanity.
• 32:52
  S9: But isn't this interesting? Why is it that he says this?
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  S9: It's not just that he was thirsty, but the Bible
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  S9: says this, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. In other words,
• 33:06
  S9: this now shows the submission of Jesus to the Scripture.
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  S9: It's really a reference to Psalm 69, verse 21, where
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  S9: it says, they gave me poison for food and sour
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  S9: wine for my thirst. And if you read the 19th chapter,
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  S9: you see it right there. That they gave him sour wine.
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  S9: So at the end of the day, Jesus is saying,
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  S9: there's one more thing that needs to be fulfilled, and
• 33:35
  S9: that is that the scripture needs to be fulfilled. So
• 33:39
  S9: here is Jesus saying that he thirsts. What a wonderful
• 33:44
  S9: representation of humanity. And this, of course, also means that
• 33:48
  S9: he can identify with our weaknesses. To the person who's
• 33:52
  S9: listening out there right now. Have you been betrayed? Jesus
• 33:57
  S9: would say, I've been there. Have you been falsely accused
• 34:02
  S9: in a number of trials that have gone against you,
• 34:05
  S9: rigged trials? Jesus would say, I've been there. Have you
• 34:10
  S9: felt as if your body was weak and you're going
• 34:15
  S9: through a lot of suffering? Jesus would say, I've been
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  S9: there and he says, I thirst.
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  S4: Pastor Erwin Lutzer, our guest right now. You know, when
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  S4: we think about thirst, we the obvious, the physical. We've
• 34:28
  S4: all had a thirst for water. You spend time working
• 34:31
  S4: on a hot day and nothing is better than a
• 34:33
  S4: cold glass of water. But there's also this, this inward thirst,
• 34:38
  S4: this search for significance, the search for purpose. Karl named
• 34:42
  S4: his husky pup after Blaise Pascal, who talked about that
• 34:46
  S4: void within us, that thirst really, that can only be
• 34:50
  S4: filled by God. Talk about those two different types of thirst.
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  S9: You're absolutely right. Ali and I just want all of
• 34:57
  S9: us to take a deep breath because of what I'm
• 34:59
  S9: going to say now. All of us are born thirsty physically,
• 35:04
  S9: of course, we're born thirsty. But spiritually, as you outlined.
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  S9: But the question is, how long will we thirst? In
• 35:14
  S9: Luke chapter 16, Jesus tells the story of a rich
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  S9: man who, because of his dependence upon his riches ends
• 35:22
  S9: up in Hades. And in those days, he was able
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  S9: to communicate with Lazarus, who was in Abraham's bosom. And
• 35:31
  S9: he said, Abraham, ask Lazarus to dip his finger in
• 35:37
  S9: water and put it on my tongue, for I am
• 35:39
  S9: tormented in this flame. Now I say this with hesitation,
• 35:45
  S9: but think of it 2000 years later, that man still
• 35:50
  S9: has not felt the water on his tongue. So we're
• 35:54
  S9: all going to thirst. But I want to bless everyone
• 35:57
  S9: who is listening right now with this passage of Scripture
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  S9: from revelation. This is heaven. Therefore they are before the
• 36:06
  S9: throne of God, and serve him day and night in
• 36:08
  S9: his temple. And he who sits on the throne will
• 36:12
  S9: shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more,
• 36:16
  S9: neither thirst anymore. The sun shall not strike them, nor
• 36:21
  S9: any scorching heat, for the Lamb in the midst of
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  S9: the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide
• 36:28
  S9: them to springs of living water. And God will wipe
• 36:32
  S9: away every tear from their eyes. Imagine the difference between
• 36:37
  S9: the man in Hades and the beauties of heaven, where
• 36:42
  S9: we will thirst no more.
• 36:45
  S6: Yeah, that is moving. Doctor Erwin Lutzer has been with
• 36:50
  S6: us here, and many of you are going to want
• 36:53
  S6: to hear this again. And that's what we're going to
• 36:56
  S6: point you to because you need to hear this again.
• 37:00
  S6: This has been one of the most moving times that
• 37:01
  S6: I've ever had with Pastor Lutzer on this show. And
• 37:05
  S6: we've had many. Yeah. That's power.
• 37:08
  S4: It really is. And there are two different things we're
• 37:10
  S4: going to point to. When you text this key word,
• 37:12
  S4: there's a sermon series that he's actually preached on the
• 37:15
  S4: cries of the cross that breaks these down further. And
• 37:18
  S4: then also a book, Cries from the cross that's available
• 37:21
  S4: through Moody Publishers. So if you text media, we'll get
• 37:24
  S4: you the links to both just text media to (800) 555-7898.
• 37:30
  S4: Text media to (800) 555-7898.
• 37:35
  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
• 37:38
  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Karl
• 37:42
  S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: I got an email early this morning from a good
• 37:48
  S6: friend in Israel, Omer Eshel. He has been our guide
• 37:52
  S6: when I've gone over there. What have I done for
• 37:54
  S6: trips to Israel? Taking guided tours over there. It's been
• 37:57
  S6: an incredible, incredible experience, for sure. God willing, going back in,
• 38:02
  S6: I think November, something like that. Um, this is heartbreaking
• 38:07
  S6: and sobering. And he sent me this email. He said,
• 38:11
  S6: hey buddy, how are you? I hope you're doing well.
• 38:13
  S6: I got an email yesterday from the son of pastor.
• 38:16
  S6: I'm not going to say who it is who's a
• 38:18
  S6: good friend of mine. I used to go to China
• 38:20
  S6: and give lectures there a few years ago. This pastor's
• 38:24
  S6: son emailed me that Chinese authorities had sent him and
• 38:27
  S6: his wife, his dad and his mom to jail with
• 38:30
  S6: very limited access. It's an underground church that was busted,
• 38:35
  S6: and I did a little more research on it, and
• 38:37
  S6: it was along with ten other leaders, and they're going
• 38:40
  S6: up the river for a long time. So he's asking
• 38:44
  S6: me if basically if we can highlight it, get his
• 38:47
  S6: son on air. I'm finding out where his son is.
• 38:49
  S6: I don't know where he's at. I'm sure he's not
• 38:51
  S6: in China. But this is real for our brothers and sisters.
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  S6: I mean, I just got that this morning, Ali. Wow.
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  S5: Wow.
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  S4: I mean, it's it's that's such a shocking thing to,
• 39:05
  S4: to think about.
• 39:06
  S6: Yeah. And what a small world we have. So I
• 39:09
  S6: get a, I get an email from a friend in
• 39:12
  S6: Israel who got contacted by a son of a friend
• 39:16
  S6: that he's done lectureships when it was a little more.
• 39:18
  S6: I don't know if it was. Oh, it certainly wasn't
• 39:20
  S6: open three years ago when Omer would go and speak
• 39:23
  S6: of Israel in China. But now we've got a brother
• 39:31
  S6: and sister, a mom and a dad. And by the way,
• 39:33
  S6: they're not young. They're 68, 70 years old. And they've
• 39:37
  S6: been they were raided and they got this network of
• 39:41
  S6: underground churches busted. And some of you might wonder, what
• 39:45
  S6: do you do ethically with the gospel in a country
• 39:49
  S6: that you're supposed to be subject to their leaders? And
• 39:52
  S6: it's called a hierarchical law. And you go to acts
• 39:54
  S6: four and you see Peter and John, and they get,
• 39:57
  S6: you know, released from prison with the threat of shut up,
• 40:01
  S6: don't talk about Jesus anymore. And what did they say?
• 40:04
  S6: What are we going to serve God or man we
• 40:06
  S6: serve in? You guys know is what their answer is. Basically,
• 40:11
  S6: they told him, you can threaten us all you want,
• 40:13
  S6: but we aren't going to shut up. So that's the
• 40:16
  S6: ethical angle that you take for these folks that are
• 40:20
  S6: in countries where we're subject to governing authorities, there's a
• 40:24
  S6: there's a break point at which we say, okay, we're
• 40:28
  S6: going to honor our governing authorities until this. And the
• 40:32
  S6: gospel is one of this.
• 40:33
  S4: Until there's a mandate to do something or to not
• 40:36
  S4: do something that clearly God has called us to do,
• 40:40
  S4: such as preaching the gospel meeting.
• 40:45
  S6: It's so I am so grateful I got that email
• 40:48
  S6: because number one, it lets us pray and I'm going
• 40:52
  S6: to have you pray. We're going to keep them nameless,
• 40:54
  S6: because I don't want to do any of that until
• 40:55
  S6: I get details here, Ali. But we're going to pray
• 40:57
  S6: for a pastor and his wife and ten other underground
• 41:01
  S6: pastors that were all rated simultaneously. So they did surveillance
• 41:05
  S6: on these guys, obviously, and then they went in and
• 41:08
  S6: busted them. At least that's the that's some of the
• 41:11
  S6: information that I have. But it's good for us to
• 41:15
  S6: remember this because we've got this little beaker called American Christianity,
• 41:21
  S6: and it ain't anywhere. It doesn't resemble anything of most
• 41:24
  S6: of our brothers and sisters around the globe.
• 41:26
  S4: Yeah. And you know, you, you think, what do you
• 41:29
  S4: do with that kind of information? Because it's heartbreaking and
• 41:32
  S4: it's it, it feels very far off. But these are
• 41:34
  S4: our brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 41:37
  S6: And right now, what time is it in China right now?
• 41:40
  S6: Somebody do that really quickly. Well China's big so give
• 41:44
  S6: me Beijing.
• 41:46
  S4: So that's where this couple is.
• 41:48
  S6: I think it's near it. Yeah. Okay. It's near.
• 41:50
  S2: It's uh 8:04 p.m. 8:04 p.m..
• 41:53
  S6: So they're going to bed right now, maybe first night
• 41:55
  S6: in the clink. Second, maybe. I don't know the details
• 41:59
  S6: on it, but let's rally folks around this and let's
• 42:03
  S6: pray for our brothers and sisters in China. Underground church
• 42:06
  S6: just arrested for the gospel.
• 42:08
  S4: Yeah. Lord, we thank you that you are so much
• 42:13
  S4: greater that there's no force, no person, no power, no
• 42:17
  S4: principality that can stand against you, our great God. So
• 42:22
  S4: we pray specifically for this pastor and his wife, who
• 42:25
  S4: we don't know their names, Lord. We don't know all
• 42:28
  S4: of the details, but God, we know that they are
• 42:31
  S4: being taken because of their love for you, because of
• 42:33
  S4: their service unto you God. And so we pray for
• 42:35
  S4: their protection. We pray that you would thwart every evil
• 42:39
  S4: plan as it pertains to them in their congregation and
• 42:42
  S4: every other Christian in these underground churches and places where, Lord,
• 42:48
  S4: that the governing authorities are hostile to you, hostile to
• 42:51
  S4: the freedom that comes with knowing you. Lord, we pray
• 42:55
  S4: that you would raise up those who would be courageous,
• 42:58
  S4: those who have power and influence, that they would bow
• 43:02
  S4: their knee to you, Lord, that you would bring repentance
• 43:05
  S4: and awakening, Lord, that those who believe a false gospel,
• 43:11
  S4: those who have been brainwashed to believe something about you.
• 43:15
  S4: That's not true. God, that you would open blinded eyes.
• 43:19
  S4: That you would crush the head of the serpent. Yes, Lord,
• 43:22
  S4: we thank you that God. We don't have to fear, Lord,
• 43:25
  S4: but we can be bold and courageous knowing that we
• 43:28
  S4: serve a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and who
• 43:32
  S4: can reach into every corner. Lord, you're already there. You're
• 43:37
  S4: meeting them there, Lord. We ask for their protection and
• 43:40
  S4: for their ultimate deliverance, and that the gospel would go
• 43:42
  S4: forth in power. In Jesus name, Amen.
• 43:46
  S6: Let it be. Yeah. I mean, that regime. I mean,
• 43:51
  S6: you look at G and his wife and they come
• 43:54
  S6: and they have these confabs with free countries and you know,
• 43:58
  S6: it all looks so sanitary on the outside. But I mean,
• 44:02
  S6: just take what happened in Iran. They had some they
• 44:06
  S6: had exported some anti aircraft, some kind of new fangled
• 44:12
  S6: technology that China had exported to Iran, and it utterly
• 44:17
  S6: failed against the IDF and against American forces. Utterly failed.
• 44:23
  S6: You know what happened? They took that lead engineer in China.
• 44:25
  S6: We know this for a fact. They took that lead
• 44:28
  S6: engineer and they they deposed him from his position, and
• 44:32
  S6: then he is no longer.
• 44:35
  S5: Oh, wow.
• 44:35
  S6: They put him out. So this is. Listen, man, godlessness
• 44:43
  S6: is a bad thing, right, Ellie?
• 44:45
  S7: Yeah.
• 44:46
  S4: I mean, you think about what's possible. Think about the
• 44:50
  S4: Holy Spirit restraining evil.
• 44:52
  S6: Oh my word. And when the restraint of evil is
• 44:55
  S6: all off, all bets are off.
• 44:57
  S5: Man.
• 44:59
  S6: Katy, bar the door. Okay, speaking of Iran, we're going
• 45:02
  S6: to get insider scoop as best we can. Doctor Hormoz Shariat,
• 45:06
  S6: one of the voices. We've had three voices in here
• 45:09
  S6: now that have a perspective of what's going on in Iran. Doctor,
• 45:14
  S6: it has a incredible ministry via satellite into Iran. It's
• 45:19
  S6: called Iran alive and 7 million daily viewers. It's almost
• 45:24
  S6: hard to get your head around 7 million. Yeah. And
• 45:28
  S6: I know it's going in via satellite, so I don't
• 45:30
  S6: think it's internet necessary and all that stuff. And they
• 45:33
  S6: don't get jammed. Or maybe they do, but we're going
• 45:36
  S6: to get the latest insights from him.
• 45:38
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 45:41
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 45:46
  S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 45:49
  S6: There was a massacre of a group of people on
• 45:53
  S6: Palm Sunday, and it looks like it was a spiritual attack,
• 45:58
  S6: a religious attack. Uh, but that's in northern Nigeria, and
• 46:01
  S6: that's been a powder keg as of late. My goodness.
• 46:03
  S6: We've been dipping into that region a lot here lately,
• 46:06
  S6: all around the globe. Ali doesn't seem to end here, sister.
• 46:10
  S4: Yeah. So we want to bring in a special guest. Doctor. Chariot.
• 46:13
  S4: He's been on with us before. Founder and president of
• 46:16
  S4: Iran Alive Ministries, which uses satellite broadcasting and the internet
• 46:20
  S4: to reach Iranians with the gospel. Good morning, Doctor Chariot.
• 46:24
  S4: Give us the latest. Give us the latest update from Iran.
• 46:28
  S10: So much is happening in Iran. History is in the making,
• 46:31
  S10: both not just political, but spiritual and even biblical. Jeremiah 49,
• 46:37
  S10: verses 34 and on many of those verses are being fulfilled.
• 46:41
  S10: So much is happening. There is a spiritual battle going
• 46:43
  S10: on as well as a military battle. So we need
• 46:47
  S10: to be aware of what's happening so we can align
• 46:49
  S10: ourselves with the Lord. We, as Christians, we are called
• 46:52
  S10: to know what's happening, what God wants to do, and
• 46:56
  S10: align ourselves with him.
• 46:58
  S6: Let's go back to those scriptures. What are you seeing
• 47:01
  S6: as far as the bow is breaking, the power structure, uh,
• 47:06
  S6: is disintegrating. Do you truly see this as fulfillment of
• 47:11
  S6: the prophecies of this kind of evil structure? With the
• 47:15
  S6: mullahs as we know it being really taken down a notch,
• 47:19
  S6: if not taken out?
• 47:20
  S10: Well, those verses are so closely matched, match the current
• 47:25
  S10: events that you cannot ignore it. It might not be
• 47:27
  S10: the final fulfillment of those verses, but when you look
• 47:31
  S10: at it, you say, wow, this is happening. You know,
• 47:33
  S10: like a scattering of Iranians all over the world has
• 47:37
  S10: never happened in over 5000 years of history in Iran.
• 47:41
  S10: But it has happened the last 40 some years and
• 47:44
  S10: other things, you know, breaking the bow of Iran bow
• 47:47
  S10: is where you send, you know, your missiles and the power,
• 47:51
  S10: the base of power. That's what Jeremiah says, the base
• 47:54
  S10: of power and the missile sites, nuclear sites, military sites, economy.
• 47:59
  S10: The base of power has been destroyed. Then it talks
• 48:02
  S10: about the massacre, which we saw in January. We saw
• 48:05
  S10: 40,000 people killed in two days and about 100,000 people arrested.
• 48:12
  S10: They're in jail, and you don't hear much about those
• 48:14
  S10: in jail, but they're being executed every day. But the
• 48:18
  S10: news doesn't come out. Sometimes it comes out of one person.
• 48:21
  S10: An athlete was killed just 3 or 4 days ago.
• 48:24
  S6: Yeah. That wrestler. Yeah. That was highly noted in. And
• 48:28
  S6: you know what? There was a universal outcry against that globally.
• 48:32
  S10: Yeah. The people around the world do not know exactly
• 48:37
  S10: what's happening. It's confusing because of the news. They just see, okay,
• 48:41
  S10: there's a there's a US attack, an Israeli attack on
• 48:45
  S10: Iran and many of Americans. That's that's amazes us Iranians
• 48:49
  S10: both inside and outside that Americans rally, stop the war,
• 48:54
  S10: stop attacking Iran. And Iranians are saying, are you crazy?
• 48:58
  S10: We were asking for this. We have been we have
• 49:01
  S10: been begging Israel and Trump to do this for a
• 49:04
  S10: couple of years. Would you come and help us? Because
• 49:07
  S10: the government of Iran will kill us. Coming on, on streets.
• 49:11
  S10: So what is happening in reality is different than what
• 49:16
  S10: you hear in the news, especially mainstream media.
• 49:19
  S4: Let's talk a little bit about Iran Alive Ministries and
• 49:23
  S4: the most watched Christian channel in Iran with over 7
• 49:27
  S4: million daily viewers. What kind of programming are you bringing?
• 49:31
  S4: Even as we head into Holy Week.
• 49:34
  S10: Praise the Lord. God has given us this channel and
• 49:37
  S10: we use it to serve the people. We are not
• 49:39
  S10: a regular Christian channel that you see in the West.
• 49:43
  S10: This is a tool of ministry. This is a church
• 49:46
  S10: helping people. So our programming is evangelistic and we have
• 49:51
  S10: programs to help families. We have kids programs and we
• 49:55
  S10: have programs for Christians to grow. You know, there's no
• 49:58
  S10: church in Iran. The churches are closed, but there's so
• 50:02
  S10: many so many Christians and even us over 1400 new
• 50:06
  S10: Salvations we register every month and more than that come
• 50:11
  S10: to Christ. So they need help. We use the channel
• 50:13
  S10: not just to evangelize, but to help the underground church
• 50:16
  S10: to grow. And we have underground churches and we have
• 50:19
  S10: online churches. So this is a channel to advance God's
• 50:23
  S10: kingdom in any way possible. As an example, when things
• 50:27
  S10: happened in January, The killing, we just started a daily
• 50:30
  S10: broadcast live, ministering to the pain of people, crying with them,
• 50:36
  S10: giving them real hope. The real hope is in Jeremiah 4938.
• 50:40
  S10: I mean, it's a written promise of God. We are
• 50:42
  S10: using this channel to serve the people wherever they are.
• 50:46
  S10: They're crying, we cry with them. They're happy. We rejoice
• 50:50
  S10: with them.
• 50:51
  S6: All right, let's get a lay of the land here.
• 50:53
  S6: The language is Farsi. Are you speaking Farsi into Iran?
• 50:57
  S6: That that's what you're speaking in?
• 51:00
  S10: Yes. The common language in Iran is Farsi, but there
• 51:03
  S10: are many people groups inside Iraq, Kurds, Turks, Arabs and
• 51:07
  S10: they have. The mother language is different than Farsi, but
• 51:10
  S10: Farsi covers all of them. And we have some programs
• 51:13
  S10: in their native languages. You know, when you want to share,
• 51:16
  S10: when you share the gospel, it's more effective when you
• 51:19
  S10: share it and people's mothers tongue. So that we have
• 51:22
  S10: some programs in other local languages, but the common language
• 51:26
  S10: is Farsi in Iran.
• 51:27
  S6: Okay. By the way, quick note, I gotta tell you,
• 51:31
  S6: I met my bride and I met a couple many
• 51:34
  S6: years ago. I mean, beautiful on fire, young Iranian couple
• 51:39
  S6: that were getting equipped to go back to Iran. I'm
• 51:43
  S6: doing my best to try to track down where they
• 51:45
  S6: are now. Uh, it's many years later, but the passion
• 51:49
  S6: of the Iranian people who have come to Jesus to
• 51:51
  S6: go back in and share the gospel is astounding, maybe
• 51:55
  S6: more so than any country I've seen. These kids. They
• 51:58
  S6: were on fire to get the gospel back in there.
• 52:01
  S6: So what are you seeing? Give us what we don't
• 52:04
  S6: hear on mainstream news. What are you hearing? What are
• 52:07
  S6: you seeing? Give us some stories here.
• 52:10
  S11: Well, I am ready.
• 52:11
  S10: I'm ready to go back. And by the way, that's prophesied.
• 52:14
  S10: Jeremiah 49 3938 says, I will set my throne. And
• 52:19
  S10: verse 4939 talks about the people scattered. Go back to
• 52:24
  S10: the land. Exact the same phrase the Bible uses for
• 52:28
  S10: the Jews, that they will come back and they will
• 52:30
  S10: be scattered and they will come back the exact same
• 52:33
  S10: similar even wordings are are similar. So the Iran is
• 52:37
  S10: ready for a transformation, not just political, but the spiritual
• 52:43
  S10: and people like me and our ministry. Iran and I,
• 52:45
  S10: we have a solid plan for when we go back.
• 52:48
  S10: You know, I'm so excited. I'm so excited, Carl and Ali,
• 52:51
  S10: because with our leaders, we have such a solid plan
• 52:53
  S10: for Iran opens up and it's going to open up
• 52:56
  S10: sooner or later. And last week we were finalizing our
• 52:59
  S10: our plans and we looked and said, hey, can you
• 53:02
  S10: believe it? Over 25 years of broadcasts, we have believers
• 53:06
  S10: in every city, every town, and maybe even every village
• 53:10
  S10: in Iran. Wow. And when Iran opens up, we will
• 53:13
  S10: be able to plant churches, tens, maybe hundreds of churches
• 53:17
  S10: just the first few months. Amazing opportunity if the regime
• 53:21
  S10: falls down. But if it doesn't, it's going to be
• 53:24
  S10: very ugly. There will be a new wave of persecution
• 53:28
  S10: for Christians like never before. So we got to pray
• 53:31
  S10: that this thing will go through and the government collapses.
• 53:34
  S10: If it survives, it's going to be another massacre. Not
• 53:37
  S10: just Christians, anybody who they feel is opposing them, which
• 53:41
  S10: they think Christians are. So this is a very critical
• 53:45
  S10: time to be ready when it comes down and be
• 53:48
  S10: ready if it doesn't.
• 53:50
  S4: Doctor. Share it with us right now, Iran Alive Ministries.
• 53:53
  S4: Talk a little bit about. To the extent that you
• 53:55
  S4: can your your connection to the current underground house churches
• 53:59
  S4: and even online churches in Iran.
• 54:01
  S11: Right?
• 54:01
  S10: Because of media, you know, the satellite television is a signal.
• 54:06
  S10: Video signal goes over the heads of the mullahs into
• 54:09
  S10: people's homes. And by the way, when they turned off internet,
• 54:12
  S10: they have turned off internet for the last 2 or
• 54:14
  S10: 3 months. When they turn off internet, we get more viewers.
• 54:17
  S10: So that's 7 million was the number was given us
• 54:21
  S10: by an independent survey. But now I think it's more.
• 54:24
  S10: So people are ready for for the gospel. And you
• 54:28
  S10: mentioned before, you know, I came on that those who
• 54:32
  S10: come from darkness, they love the Lord more. They appreciate
• 54:35
  S10: the light. So when you see Christians in the persecuted
• 54:38
  S10: countries like Iran, I get inspired. You should get inspired.
• 54:43
  S10: They are ready to live and die for Jesus. For example,
• 54:47
  S10: during this time we used the media to encourage encourage
• 54:51
  S10: people who had lost a loved one. Those who were
• 54:54
  S10: hopeless give them hope. But also also we use our
• 54:58
  S10: channel to mobilize Christians during those hard times. Christians are
• 55:03
  S10: on the streets, helping the wounded, helping the people, and
• 55:07
  S10: they listen to us. They said, you got to go
• 55:09
  S10: on the streets and help these people. For example, when
• 55:12
  S10: people were wounded, we asked our Christians, hey, bring those
• 55:16
  S10: wounded people into your homes. And you know, you've read
• 55:19
  S10: in the news, you know, the government kills so many people,
• 55:21
  S10: but those who were wounded and went to regular hospitals,
• 55:25
  S10: you know what happened to them? Yeah. The government agents
• 55:28
  S10: went to the hospitals and executed them, laying down on
• 55:32
  S10: a hospital bed. That's what they did. So when they
• 55:35
  S10: were wounded, they wouldn't go to hospital. Ask, ask Christians,
• 55:39
  S10: come serve people. And many of them just brought people
• 55:43
  S10: into their homes. I hear several testimonies of Muslims coming
• 55:48
  S10: to Christ. For example, this this young man was saying,
• 55:51
  S10: my brother and I were on street and we were
• 55:54
  S10: protesting and they started shooting. My brother got a bullet
• 55:58
  S10: in his leg. I put him on my back and
• 56:01
  S10: running away, and they were catching up to us. And
• 56:04
  S10: suddenly a door to apartment building opened up and we
• 56:07
  S10: went in. And the guy who led me let us in. They,
• 56:11
  S10: they closed the door and they took us to their
• 56:13
  S10: apartment and they took care of us. They brought a
• 56:18
  S10: doctor that they knew. They brought a nurse that they
• 56:20
  S10: knew to take care of our wounds. And then we
• 56:24
  S10: wanted to go back and said, no, you stay here.
• 56:26
  S10: It's safe until you get healed. They will tell your family,
• 56:29
  S10: your mom and dad that you're here. So then he says,
• 56:33
  S10: we realized these are Christians. And the few days, a
• 56:37
  S10: couple of weeks that they were there, they became Christians.
• 56:40
  S10: So Christians are salt and light. Whenever there is a
• 56:44
  S10: killing like that, 40,000 families lost a loved one, mostly
• 56:49
  S10: young people. Every time after that, there is an open
• 56:53
  S10: heaven in Iran, another layer of Muslims, a million. 1,000,002
• 56:57
  S10: million Muslims who used to be devout Muslims. Just six
• 57:01
  S10: months ago, when they see this massacre, they question Islam.
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  S10: They say, if this is Islam, I do not want Islam.
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  S10: What else is out there? And so we see a
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  S10: surge in the number of Christians right after these massacres,
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  S10: the killing of the government. Now, let me share this story.
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  S10: One of our leaders in Iran, he said, I became
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  S10: a Christian a couple of years ago and I'm very active.
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  S10: He said. My family are so devout, so fanatic Muslims.
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  S10: They turned against me, they threatened me. It is communicated
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  S10: with me. And he said, especially my uncle. My uncle
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  S10: is so fanatic. Six months ago my uncle told me, hey,
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  S10: I'm going to turn you in. You have become a Christian,
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  S10: you're serving Christianity. I'm going to turn you into the government.
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  S10: And when they hang you, when they execute you, I'm
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  S10: going to be there watching and enjoying it. He said,
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  S10: that's my uncle. But then he said, can you believe
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  S10: what happened last night? He said, what happened? He said,
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  S10: my uncle called me and he said, tell me about Jesus.
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  S12: Oh my word.
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  S10: That's a spiritual transformation through suffering, through murder, through death,
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  S10: that God, Jesus is using that to bring millions of
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  S10: Muslims to Christ.
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  S6: Everybody. Wow, what a testimony. And if you want more,
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  S6: you want to find out what God is doing behind
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  S6: the scenes. We've got a link for you right now.
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  S4: Text alive to (800) 555-7898. Alive to (800) 555-7898.
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  S6: How can something like this be so heartbreaking and so
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  S6: life enthralling at the same time? I mean, it's it's
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  S6: devastating and awesome what God is doing in this horrific
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  S6: scene in Iran. So grateful for her text alive to
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